Joe Rogan - Roseanne Explains Her Controversy

Everything good with you right now? Well, I'm smoking like a bitch. How often do you smoke? Every day. Were you smoking before all this? Oh, hell no. Well, secretly. Secretly. Doug Stanhope got me back on the bastard. You son of a bitch. I quit for like 15 years and Doug Stanhope snuck. Every time I see Doug, I'd smoke one. That kind of stard. He's got an evil spell on me. Oh, he's an evil little man. He's sober right now. No cigarettes for him either. Yeah. He always says that. No, he's doing sober October. Are y'all doing sober October? Yes. Wow. Why didn't you ask me? I would have sobered up for it. Would you? No. No. You wouldn't have done it. No, I want to do a. Get fucked up October. I want to go to retox. Retox instead of detox. That's what my boyfriend Johnny calls it. Because it's time to retox. How many cigarettes are you smoking today now? Well, who's counting? You just keep smoking them. I'm smoking less than 10. Less than 10 is not bad. Yeah. Not it's not as good as zero. Well, I was smoking a lot. See, I'm cutting it by 10 every week. Oh, OK. So next week, it'll be down to one a day, all week. One a day is not bad. And I'll see how I deal with it if anyone dies. This whole thing has been completely fucking insane. And you caught it. Really? Yeah. I know. I don't have to tell you. But you caught this madness, this outrage culture, right at the peak. I think you hit peak outrage culture. Thank you. Well, people didn't give a fuck if you were making a joke. Didn't give a fuck if you had no idea that that lady was black. Didn't give a fuck what your mental state was. Didn't give a fuck if you were on ambient. Didn't give a fuck if you were drinking. Didn't give a fuck if you sincerely apologized. Oh, go ahead. I do want to talk seriously about that. But they didn't care that you sincerely apologized and didn't mean to offend. You were cracking a joke about a woman. It was funny how they've mischaracterized it and lied about it and added words to it. Yeah. But yeah, I like to talk about the tweet. But yeah, I seriously apologize to all whom I inadvertently offended. And because they were offended for it, it wasn't even what they say they were offended because it didn't say that. But they think that I tweeted a said she looked like somebody. And I never said anything about her looks. It was a political tweet. And it's just proof of how everybody's under mass mind control because they took a. And of course, I'm always interested in that. You know that. Mass mind control? I think a lot of it's self-imposed. That's what I think. I think people are under the wave of self-imposed mind control. I don't think it's like there's anybody pulling strings. You think you can get out of it. No, I don't think anyone's pulling the strings. I don't think this is by design. No, I don't. I don't think it's by design. I think people are caught up in a wave of fear and paranoia and political correctness. I think one of the reasons why they attack someone like you is, first of all, you're wealthy and successful and famous. And beautiful. You are beautiful. Thank you. And one of the best comics of all time. Oh, thank you so much. You're also an easy target. You're a white woman. Well, I don't identify as a white woman. What do you identify as? I identify as a Jew. Well, there you go. Yeah. And this is what you thought this woman was as well. What is her name again? Well, she looks like my cousin Sharon. She looks just like my cousin. But it wasn't nothing to do with how she looks. That came after my tweet. But it was about the work of her hands, what she engineered in Iran. And I'd been on there talking about the, I call it a woman's revolution in Iran for years and speaking to people in Iran about it and what it means to the women who are second class citizens there. And so if you take that one tweet out of like probably, I tweet a lot. Yeah, probably 400,000. You get on tweet storms. No, I don't go crazy. I stay crazy. I admit it. I mean, what the fuck? They're like, you know what? You've said you're crazy for years. And you know what? You're crazy. Well, yeah, I said it for fucking years. Well, it's also one of the reasons why you're so funny. All of us are crazy. Yeah. All comics are fucking nuts though. 100%. At least I don't wash my keys like some. I know some guys, they got to wash their keys five, six, seven times before they can go on stage. What's his name? Oh, I'm so bad on names. Chris Farley. I always ask comics, you know, I ask him, what's your secret number? What's yours, Joe? I don't have a secret number. You don't have a number? No. You don't have to do something a number of times. You don't have a number? No, I don't have a number. What's your birthday? 81167. What's that, August? August. 81167. You were born in 1967? Yes. Jesus, F Christ. I was in the Utah State Hospital when you were born. What were you doing, giving birth? No, I was in a mental institution. That was my first hospitalization. It lasted for nine months, and it was the Utah State Hospital in Provo, where the Osmonds are from. So I was always a big Marie Osmond fan. The mental health aspect of this conversation is an important one, because here's my take on this. It's extremely important. It is important. And yesterday was Mental Health Awareness Day. Yes, I know. And I was quite aware of being mentally healthy yesterday as I was smoking. And eating cheese. All I eat is cheese. If someone has an injured leg, you don't expect them to run marathons. If someone has something wrong with their liver, you don't expect them to process food correctly. You don't blame it on them. But if someone has a mental health issue and they do something erratic, or they say something that's inappropriate, and then they apologize for it. Or if they're a comedian. Or if they're a comedian. And you've had legitimate, real, diagnosed, treated mental health issues, trauma related issues. There you go. How do you like that, maybe? It's a little. I can do the alphabet. I think you do better. Can you? Yeah, I also, yeah. Congratulations. But for whatever reason, people want to pretend that this is a deliberate act by a calculating person who is just being an asshole. And that's not the case. You're not an asshole. Not at this time. I have been an asshole on Twitter. But you weren't. That's not what you were doing. No. I was talking about Iran and the Women's Revolution there. And it's always been because, you know what? I had my DNA done because I wanted to know. And I am of North African ancestry. How much? It's like a very small percentage. But it was something like 25,000 years ago, they left North Africa, which is kind of Syria. And they went to Lithuania and Russia and some Europe. Did you do like 23andMe or something like that? Yeah. And it just answered so many questions for why I feel this yearning towards that part of the world. But I do. And especially the geopolitics there are something that have always intrigued me. And I have always attempted to use my voice to support all the people there. Well, it's a fascinating part of the world. This one tweet was about, I mean, it's actually a genius tweet, if you really fucking knew. What did you say? What exactly did you say? So let's find the tweet, Jamie. I'll tell you if it's the artificially rendered. Is an artificially rendered one? Yeah, there's a lot of them. What people distorted what you actually said? Yeah, first it was racist Roseanne. And then a couple weeks later, it was disgraced comic Roseanne in her racist tweet. And then after that, it was disgraced comic in her offensive racist tweet. Because there's all these hoops you've got to jump through. They're never done punishing you. Well, like we were saying before the podcast started. And all my friends said, don't apologize to social justice warriors, because that's the kiss of death. That's fucking chum in the water, blood in the water, you know? It's definitely a little bit of that. But what I was saying before the podcast to you is what I really think happens is they find a target. And they don't care if it's a viable target. But once the target gets green lit, they go after you. Until some new target comes along. Until some new distraction. They always have to have a target. Yes. And it's recreational outrage. They find you. They attack you. And they go after you. And they try to distort your position. And even if they don't know what the fuck you said. And obviously, they don't. That's what kind of cracks me up. It's like, look at this. Look what they're saying it meant. And I'm not going to bow down before them and say, you were right. And they want me to. But they weren't right. I'm right. I wrote it. Bitch. Bitch. So I know what I meant. So you don't fucking get to tell me what I meant. But they don't care. I know. This is the thing is they don't want to look at it rationally and say, oh, here's a woman that has a history of mental health problems. She was on Ambien and drinking. And she says something that is slightly irrational. But given your explanation of it, what you did even know that she was blind. You and Doug both always think all my tweets make no sense. You've been saying that for fucking years since I went on Twitter. You're like, her tweets are just fucking straight up crazy. Well, you have some crazy tweets for sure. I don't think they're crazy. You just don't get them. Well, maybe if I was in the same mindset as you, I would get them. Yeah, but obviously no one. But when I say crazy, I think they're fun. I know I don't think like other people. I know that. I've always known that my whole life. I'd always test other people, see what they were thinking. Even as a kid, I'd be like, I try to fit in. They go, let's play Barbies. And I'm like, fucking, I don't want to play. And I'm like, OK, well, but let's have Barbie be a resistance fighter that paratroops into the hidden lines of the German thing and save all the Jews. And they'd go, you have to be her cousin, Skipper. And then they'd hand me the Skipper doll. I always had to personify Skipper, and they got to be Barbie. I didn't even know Barbie had a cousin. Yeah, Skipper, she has little tiny tits. And I resented that. Because I always had very large, pendulous breasts since I was four or five. I did. I don't think or look like other people. I think I'm an alien, really. What planet you think you'd be from? Well, somebody told me I was from Pleiades. Do you know anything about that? Yeah, that's the people that call the Art Bell Show. They would always say that from Pleiades. Yeah, they say round faces are from Pleiades. You see, you got a round face. That's what I told you. I don't even go by what people look like, except for I do look at the shape of their head, I have to admit. That's how I classify people. I classify people my own way, because I don't think, like everybody else thinks. I take a person's shape of their head, and that's the group they represent to me. And I have noticed that the Dutch have the largest heads. They're big people. The Dutch have pure score. Not all of them, of course, but some of them. Do you know the average height for a Dutch person is like six feet tall? I know, for the women. Huge folks, yeah. Vikings. Yeah, Vikings. I love all the different peoples of the earth, because they all have a variety of foods that I enjoy. So I like to, you know, I don't just mix with one kind of person in my real life. I mix with all kind of people, and you know, because I'll go anywhere for a free meal. But I love cultures, and I love all people, that's all I want to say, you know. I'm not that person, so. You're not a racist by any stretch of the imagination, but you are a person that makes fun of anything. My son said I'm a misanthropic. I'm a misanthrope. You are a misanthrope, but that's. I am a respectress of no man or woman. But most comedians have. Yeah, we're all like that, right? Some misanthropic intentions, or behaviors. You have to hate all people the same. But you definitely have to mock and make, and it's part of the job description. Yeah, you gotta mock. You know, you mock and make fun of, and you look for things that are irritating about everything. No shit, right? Yeah, that's part of the job. That's a funny stuff. But not only that, that was part of your character on your show. Yeah. It was part of the reason why ABC wanted you back. It's part of the reason why the show became such a giant hit in its return. I mean, it was a fucking huge hit coming right out of the gate. Yeah, 28 million people. That's a lot of fucking people today. And it was number one every episode. Yeah, that's a lot of people. And a lot of that was because people love this aspect of you. But as soon as you get labeled a racist, everybody throws their hands up and goes, whoa, I didn't know she was racist. She's racist. And they don't care about nuance. They don't care about the details. They don't care about ambient. They don't care about alcohol. When I called you on the phone, it was the first thing that I asked you. One thing I've learned, Joe, if you're gonna take an ambient, do not drink a beer. Always only drink a wine with ambient. I have a good friend of mine who is one of the nicest, most respectful guys you ever want to meet. He woke up in Germany on a plane covered in his own vomit with the police standing over him, asking him if he knew what happened. He wound up getting arrested. They brought him to the jail in Germany. And he's the CEO of a large company. And they went over things with him. And they said, what happened? What do you remember? He goes, well, I remember taking an ambient and then I went to sleep. And then I had, I guess I had a beer at some point in time. And they go, okay, stop. This is what happened. And so they describe how he was hitting on the stewardesses and trying to start fights with men in the cabin. And he walked all over himself. Wasn't his being his real self. He was on ambient. Yeah, I know, a distorts thing. He's the nicest guy. If you knew this guy, you would never in a million years believe that he was capable of anything remotely like this. And the German people actually let him stay in the country. They let him continue his vacation. They're like, okay. They forgave him. You promise not to do that again? He goes, I'm never fucking taking that shit again in my life. Yeah. And one of the things that I said to you when I called you up, I said, what were you doing? Well, and you told me you were on ambient. And I said, okay, we'll stop right there. Because I know quite a bit about that. Because I've had personal experiences with friends that have had real issues with ambient. I had a bid I did in my act about a friend of mine who literally made a meal while he was on ambient, cooked at the supermarket, went, got food, cooked it. Well, look at Tiger Woods. He was on that. And then he'd go driving off in the golf cart to meet some chick, you know? And then I don't understand where people say they have sex on ambient. People say that's a big thing that people take ambient to have sex. I don't even know how they can stay. I guess they don't stay awake, but another part of them wakes up and their sex part comes out. That's all I can figure. I've never taken it. I'm terrified of this. Don't ever take it. Yeah, I have no problem going to sleep. I've never had a problem going to sleep. I do, but you know what I found is THC, they sell it down at the dispensary. And there's one for sleep at night. Yeah. And I've been doing that. And I've been sleeping through the night. When I was taking the sleeping thing, the sleeping drug. Ambient. Well, I don't wanna say it, because we don't wanna get sued. It's like Candy Man. You don't wanna say it three times. You'll get sued, not me. By saying ambient? I bet you. I don't think they give a fuck. Did you see their tweet though? People just wanna buy that shit. They said, yeah, I did see that tweet. Did you see that? Yeah. Well, you know, I had Hamilton Morris on the podcast, who is a drug expert. Yeah. And he writes for Vice and does pieces for Vice. And he went after your. I just did a piece for Vice. After your incident, he came on and went in great detail about how that is something that happens to people. That where they have no idea what the fuck they're saying. It's called a hypnotic. That is the classification of drugs that it falls under. And people do all sorts of involuntary things when they're on it. No, it doesn't just make you say racist things, but you didn't say anything intentionally racist. No, the way people decide. About the work of Valerie Jarrett's hands. And I also was referencing my very favorite movie. So if we could talk about how fucking awesome that movie, Planet of the Apes. Great fucking movie. It's the definitive people get your. Come on, people now. It's not a lie on your brother. It's like, come on. It's like the 100th monkey. Is that the thing? Is that the name of it? Yeah, that's what it is. The 100th monkey on the typewriter. What is the 10,000 monkeys? What is it? How does it work that if you have a certain amount of monkeys? No, it's the 100th monkey that changes everything. Right. If a species does something 99 times in a row, the 100th time it's gone into their DNA. Yeah, and then they evolve to a next level. 100th monkey effect. 100th monkey effect is a hypothetical phenomenon in which new behavior ideas claim to spread rapidly by unexplained means from one group to all related groups once a critical number of members of one group exhibit a new behavior or acknowledge the new idea. Yeah, critical mass. Yeah. Well, the thing is, a lot of people put pictures of that woman right next to the lady. Well, I didn't put no picture. I understand. I said the picture was put up after my tweet. I understand. And I'm not going to do with that picture. I didn't say she looked like anything. Seriously, I'm not that fucking shallow. OK, I never talk about nobody's looks, unless they're thin and blonde and I'm jealous, and youthful now, or whatever. But wasn't there another tweet that you made a long time ago about who was that other woman? Susan Rice. Yes. Yeah. Where you said she has giant swinging eight balls. Yeah. That she's a man. Well, see, let me explain that now, because this is regionalistic, regionalism. I'm from Utah, and all the girls in Utah, when we got married, and we heard our moms do it too, it's always, where's your ape? They go, what's your ape doing this Sunday? And he's like, oh, he's watching football. All good. Let's go out to lunch. You know? All of the men were all apes. That's how it is in a breeder culture like Salt Lake City. Breeder culture? Yeah. It is. That is a breeder culture. So it's like, where's your ape? And then it's like, man, your ape has big fucking swinging eight balls. I give him that. It's a regionalistic thing. And so I used it and apologized. But you know.