4 years ago
Did you see the guy from Empire's speech, like, interview? Yes, yes, yes. That seems almost like he's not pretending, like, if he's pretending he's doing a better job acting than Joaquin Phoenix. What is this? Terence Howard, yeah, you saw the Flower of Life or something. Well, Terence Howard, the guy who interviewed me for Rolling Stone, told me that Terence Howard is like a legitimate genius. Like, he's like, you talk to the guy, the guy's absolutely brilliant. Maybe he figured it all out. I think he got high as fuck on DMT. That's what it sounds like. You're figuring it all out. Yeah, it does sound like that, right? 100%, yeah. Yeah, it all makes sense. But the inability to explain it, just kind of like, it's all connected. But he was not explaining it very well, but very articulately. Like, he was using, it wasn't like nonsense talk. Right. He was like, oh, this is like shockingly coherent for a ridiculous thing to say. You ever have Shane on to talk about what happened to him? Shane, which one? Shane Moss. No. He did. I think he was in mushrooms. Oh, yeah, no, I haven't had him on. I've had him on back. Which, which, what happened to him though? I think he did mushrooms every day for a month or DMT every day for a month. And he also covered himself in, I'm getting the terms wrong, but maybe Syrian rules, so that shit couldn't come out of his system. What? And he went a little bit, nada. How long ago was this? Maybe a year and a half ago. Oh, okay. So I had one before that. I had one before that. So we went to see Roger Waters. He got tickets for me in Providence. We went down there and he was like talking like he was like, I figured out these math equations. And he was like the whole time, he's like, dude, I know I'm get it. I'm a science guy. I get this seems ridiculous. I understand why you wouldn't believe me, but I can like figure shit out to the point where mathematicians are like, hmm, I never thought of it that way. He's like, I don't understand how it's possible, but I get why you wouldn't believe that. Yeah. He was like, he was, you know, when you're coming out of a mushroom trip? Yeah. For like 30, 40 minutes, you're like not quite coherent because you got a foot in there and a foot out here. Yeah. He was like that for hours and I guess for like months. Yeah. He was just in a constant state of coming out of a mushroom trip. I did DMT three times in a day. Wow. The third time it was a really strong one. And it fucked me up for a while. I don't remember how long afterwards, but this was during the fear factor days. But I remember reality, the way I described it, the reality was very slippery. Yeah. Very slippery. Like I kept thinking that cars were going to fly over the incoming lane and crash into my car and kill me. Oh, real slippery. Yeah. I kept thinking like, be really careful. But then I realized that what that is, is like my ego trying to protect me by making me aware of imminent threats and trying to reestablish its position in the chain of command. Because one of the things about really extreme psychedelic experiences is that they dissolve the ego to the point where you realize you don't really matter. You're a part of some crazy system and the only reason why you think you really matter is because your biology wants to stay alive because there's these inherent existential threats to your existence that have always existed throughout time. And ultimately though, it doesn't matter because you're just going to live and die and probably live again and die again. And this is like this never ending cycle. Yeah. And you're a part of some of those guys that anytime you're like fighting it, like you're sick. It just means you haven't taken it enough. I think that was like Terrence McKenna or one of those guys was like, you just have to take more and then you can't fight it. Right. Right. And you're just gone. You know. Yeah. But I was fucked up for a while. Really? I was emotional. But I was real nervous and weirded out by things. How long? How long? Weeks, maybe months. Why did you do it three times in a day? Were you trying to do that on purpose or were you just like bored? I did it. The first time was light. I went in, but I didn't go in too deep. Yeah. But I saw the visuals and I lay there and I was like, I got to the door and I could see through the windows of the house, but I didn't go inside. The second time, it just like opened up a fucking vortex and sucked me through to the center of the universe. And then it was really, really, really intense. And then I did it again after that because I loved it because it was so awesome. I wanted to do it one more time. I got to do it more. I guess not for a month. Vape pens. Yeah. That's what we should do on November 1st. Vape pens. Yeah. We should do DMT. In the morning. Yeah. In here. You're going to be in New York. Oh, yeah. Well, as soon as we get back. Kind of my apartment. Okay. I'll do it there. Yeah. Yeah.