Joe Rogan | Bob Lazar's Story Freaks Me Out

I went there with that UFO guy, Bob Lazar. Oh you did? Lazar went there with you? Yeah. Yeah. And Shultz, Andrew Shultz, one of me too. Yeah. And Jeremy Korbel, the guy who made the documentary, we all sat around talking to him. That Lazar dude freaked me the fuck out, man. He's a freak out. Made me want to move. I, you know, I had no indication that he's full of shit. I mean, I was- Zero bullshit meter? Here's the thing, man. When you've told a story for as many years, as many times as he did, it's super hard to be consistent if you're just making everything up. It's super hard to have things that you're saying back then that everybody says don't even exist. Right. Eventually turn out to be true. It's very difficult to deny that. Like these are parts of his initial story. His initial story had something to do with this thing called element 115, which most people, I mean, they didn't even recognize that it actually existed until much later, right? That's a big feature of it. When did he start talking about it? When did he start talking about the 80s? Yeah, it was the 70s and 80s, right? A long time ago. But it's, look, I don't know enough about elements and the table to understand it. You're talking to a state school kid. We're both stupid. You're probably more educated than me though. But at the end of the day, this guy is obviously smart as fuck and he's a scientist that definitely worked at Los Alamos lab. There's a record of him there. And they tried to deny that and they tried to erase it. That alone tells me just the fact that they tried to say that he didn't exist. He never worked at Los Alamos lab. That's freaking me out, man. In the 1980s, you don't think they could just erase your past? You don't think that they could just erase your birth certificate or erase your medical records or erase your dental records? They could do whatever they wanted back then. Well, tell me you saw that documentary about the three identical strangers. Did you watch that? I heard about it, I didn't see it. Bro, oh my God. I mean, essentially in so many words, without divulging too much, three brothers are born, triplets are born and they are separated at birth, unbeknownst to them. They grow up completely independently, run into each other later in life. This was the 70s, I think it was 70s. And they meet publicly on, maybe not Donahue, but one of those fucking big shows, they bring them all together. And they end up finding out later in the documentary, spoiler alert, that there's a company who is doing this, that's doing trial tests on babies that are separated and putting them with different families to find out if they end up growing up with similar characteristics. Nature versus nurture. Yeah, nature and nurture, scientific experiment. But imagine how sick you have to be to decide to separate kids. Dude, and show up and test their family to find out how they're breeding these, or how they're growing these children. Gross as fuck. You watch it, right, Jamie? They'd come test them every week or two and they'd be like doing checkups. The parents almost didn't even know, I'm not sure. Well, one of the parents seemed to be more keen about it. And the other ones just felt like, well, they were getting money for it. So they were like, this is just a part of a program that we're in. Bro, how is that much different than aliens abducting people and running medical tests? It's not, that's my point is like, if they got away with that. Voluntary life and genetics test. Bro, involuntary. Mostly they have the data from that too. Like the nurse or the assistant from the doctor that was doing it says there is data, she has read it, but it has never been released. And it should be because they fucked up all the people. Wait, you're leaving out an important part. Probably. It's in a library, in like Harvard library, and it legally can't be released to the public. It's something that's, someone's holding onto it and it cannot be released. They've tried hundreds of times and it's got a 2050 release date or whatever. They're waiting for these people to die. So then it'll just go away and no one will think about it anymore. It's fucking, dude, watch it. It'll fuck you up. I'm scared. And then you find out in the documentary, they're not the only ones. They've done this over and over and over and over. Oh, God. It's fucked, dude, I'm sitting on a plane watching it. That's reptilian. Yes. You know when you're on a plane watch something so good and you look around like other people, you're like, oh, you fucking, no one's watching it, but I'm like, you fucking shit. It was so trippy, man. It's so trippy. So yes, do I think that Lazar had people trying to x out his pet? For sure. For sure. And there's a, look, there's a lot of other stuff that you gotta go, hmm, I don't know. How do you, how do you prove that? How do you explain that? Well, I don't know. Isn't that like anything in our world? What do you believe in? The big questions are, is it education background? That was a big one. Would he be credibility wise? No, whether or not he actually was educated at a certain place. I'm not, I can't, this is a fucked up one, but I can't say what he told me. I hear you. But essentially, without saying it, it had to do with projects he was working on. Currently? No, at the time. Oh, right, right, right. When he was working at Los Alamos Labs. I can't say anything more than that. Fuck. But I don't know if it's true. Right. I mean, I told him I wouldn't say anything, so I said I wouldn't say anything, and I'm not gonna say anything. But whatever he said about all these different things, only he knows if it's true. So when you're talking to a guy, he doesn't seem like a liar, seems like he's very intelligent. I mean, when he's talking about all kinds of different things, very intelligent. So either he's running the greatest 30 year con of all time, or maybe this really did happen. When you talk to him, you're just guessing. You don't know. I don't know his life. I don't know his real life, right? Just guessing. But he seems like a guy who's seen some shit and just didn't know what to do and told some friends about it, and then went to the news. And that's what that George Knapp guy, who was the investigative journalist that studied this case, over all the years, this guy's never wavered. Like he's stuck with the story over and over. And things have shown to be true that they said were science fiction. There was this equipment that they had at Los Alamos Labs that he talked about where it was this thing that measured the distance, or the size, rather, of the digits in your finger. Apparently, it's like your fingers, the inches are specific. And so if you put your hand down on that thing and then Jamie's hand, it would give a different measurement. Like there's different, each bone is a different length, and the exact length is of like 1.7, whatever the fuck it is, 1.7 inches. Whatever measurement tool they use, it was calculating the length of your fingers through some kind of buggy system that he said didn't really work that often. But people said that's science fiction, it doesn't exist. And then they finally got photos of these things. And people that worked at Los Alamos Labs concluded, they conceded that these were a real thing. But for a long time they were fighting it, being like that's not real. Some people that didn't know were saying he made that stuff up, it doesn't exist. But it showed it does exist, and it did exist right there where he worked. He even took them on a tour through the labs. Like he knew where everything was, he used to work there. So when they went there with the documentary crew with Jeremy Corbell, they just walked him through. He showed where he worked. He walked right in there. Look, many of the guys running the craziest con game of all time, and he's just a super genius, way smarter than me and he tricked me, and he thinks it's hilarious. Or maybe he saw some shit. What he was explaining that made it more and more interesting was how compartmentalized it was. And about how the problem with being so compartmentalized is that science is based on free exchange of information. You have to have guys who are testing all these different things and working on them together. That's the only way you can do it. So he's limited to a couple of guys that are working on the propulsion system, and then there's a couple other guys that are working on the metallurgy and a couple other guys that are working on the navigation system. And they chose him because he was kind of a maniac and he put a fucking jet engine in the back of a Honda, and it was on the cover of the Los Alamos newspaper. And it said in the article about Bob Lazar with his fucking jet powered Honda that he was a scientist at Los Alamos Lab, a physicist. So this was in the newspaper they printed this one. This guy was doing this thing where he said he was living at the time in the area where Los Alamos was, and it said in the newspaper that he worked at the lab. There's a fucking log book of employees. It's got his name in it from that time. A guy had it, he showed it, they took photos of it, they showed it to everybody. Look, we have an employee log book, like this, or the employee directory, rather. Robert Lazar, right there. So he worked there, he really did work there. How could he, how could all the, I mean, how could you fabricate that shit? Everybody's scared to talk, all the people that he worked with are scared to talk. Why do you think this? Look at what's happening to him, and he looks like a fool, the FBI raids his house, everybody calls him crazy. He didn't want to have anything to do with this. The only reason why he wanted to do my podcast, he was, he wanted one more chance to just get it out in a form where it's just him talking, and he felt like he and I, and we both talked about it. Me and you talking, I'll just let you talk. You tell me what happened, and I'll let everybody figure out if it's true. I don't know. What do you think, honestly? There was parts of me that said, maybe I'm just dumber than this guy, and he's like really manipulative, and maybe he just knows how to tell a story and stick with it. You're pretty fucking keen, dude. I know, but it's a tricky thing, man. You can get cocky. You can get cocky. I feel like you talk. You can get cocky and think that you know that someone's not full of shit. Yeah, but I feel like you talk to enough fucking people who are and aren't full of shit that your meter is higher than most. I'm also nice. So when I'm trying to talk to someone, I want things to work out well. You're giving the benefit of the doubt often. I want them to have a good time. Yeah. When we're talking, I don't want to confront people. Even if I angrily disagree with every fiber in my being, as I've gotten older and better at it, better at talking to people, I avoid that kind of conflict. I just, I don't think it's necessary. I just think your bullshit meter is keen enough where you'd be like, I don't know. I think it's super cocky to say that. I would like to think it is. Yeah, my ego would like to say, bro, I can fucking tell. You can't lie to me, bro. Just try to lie. I've had people lie to me, man. Dude, I know NASA, bro. That ain't NASA stuff. You know what I mean? There's times when you know someone's full of shit, and there's times where you think you know someone's full of shit and you're wrong. And then, you know, it's like this whole thing of looking in someone's eye and talking to them. Sometimes someone will tell you something like, oh, bro, I didn't even know you called me. You're like, you motherfucker. You fucking see it right in their eyes. Like, you piece of shit. You did know. I didn't see your text, man. I didn't even see it. You didn't? It said you fucking saw it. Yeah, come on, bitch. Yeah, fuck that shit.