Comparing the Porsche Taycan to the Tesla Model S w/Matt Farah | Joe Rogan

Oh, we took a left, but Tayken. Tayken. It's like 700 horsepower. I think they're calling it 610 horsepower and 750 torque. But just like the Tesla, the torque is instantaneously zero. It's zero. So you saw in the video I sent you, the fucking launch. We're really splitting hairs here with the Tesla and the Porsche. Does 2.4 feel different from 2.5? I don't know, but my eyes hurt. Yeah, same shit, right? And the Porsche has this really interesting thermal management system. So Tesla, although they do a beautiful road car for the city, they've never gone racing. They don't know about endurance racing or real high-performance driving. I mean, you've seen them kind of struggle with the Nurburgring a little bit. It's a little harder than it looks over there. What did happen with the Nurburgring with the Tesla? I think they went over there with a prototype. They took the interior out of it. A plaid prototype, right? Which means it's a wide-body version with three engines, I believe. Yeah, they weren't talking about what it was, but I think it's a three-motor car with a widened body and a different aero package and different tires. There were some, and they went back with one with a giant GT3 wing on it, too. It seemed like the number they originally put out, and you guys talked about on the show, Jamie looked it up, was a compilation of best sector time. So they released this sort of theoretical best time, but they never actually ran that complete lap. The big difference between the Tesla and the Porsche right now is thermal management, managing heat and cool sort of where it needs to go. Yeah, there's the prototype. And I believe that Tesla can build... They're exactly the kind of company that can build a one-off prototype that could go around the Nurburgring very fast. Like, they're lean, they could do that. You could see how it's wider. It looks cool. It looks badass. It does look really badass. But they didn't put out the Apex. Show me a photo of the Apex Tesla. So the Taycan has this really interesting thermal management system that integrates the brakes, the battery, the motors, and the cabin heat, a cabin climate control, all in one system. And so it's very common that one system will need heat while the other needs to be cooled, and one will need... So if the brakes are hot and they need to be cooled, but the cabin is cold and needs to be hot, they use the brake heat to... They can send heat or cold anywhere in the car it needs to go. But no, stay up there. Go back. That looks okay. It's not that bad. Oh, it doesn't let you change it? It changes. Oh, there it goes. That's not bad. It's okay. I've seen worse. You can swap everything out with carbon fiber, but they put dope wheels on it. But the interior is where the manager is. I would like to see the interior. I don't really see a point to doing body kits on EVs, but... Oh, there you go. Quilted leather, little armrests, some carbon. I think the idea is that... There you go. Go back up. See on the left there with the body, the wheels are nice. Yeah, they put larger wheels, wider tires. What are those brakes? What does that say on it? Let's say unplugged on the brakes. Oh, God. I think that's their company. Oh, it's called Unplugged Performance? Yeah, Apex. Unplugged Apex S. I mean, it's not for me. I think they put carbon fiber brakes on it. Are those carbon ceramic brakes? Yeah, I think carbon ceramic brakes. Oh, wow. They probably charge a lot of money for that. I'm sure it's not cheap. I don't know. Maybe the interior, but I wouldn't. Carbon ceramic brakes. How about that? Yeah. Maybe they could do it. Nineteen piece carbon fiber body. So your Tesla, for instance, if you want max performance, like the hardest launch you can do, you got to have like 80% battery or more, and it'll only let you do a couple of them in a row before it starts to get noticeably slower. You know what I mean? It'll let you launch, but you want that 2.5 or whatever it is, it's only going to be your first couple launches where you get it. The Taycan will give you full performance until the battery is dead. So I get a full bore launch control start with like 40 miles of range on the battery. Now, how many miles can it get from fully charged? In theory, 300. In theory. But that's meaning- You're driving like an old lady. So I was able to drive around normally, and I found that the range estimate was pretty accurate. I only got the car for one day. So it was pretty accurate. And then I went to the canyons, and in that video, I burned off 40% of the battery just making that video. Really? Yeah. It would be the same in a Tesla. It's not, it's- That's what you're talking about, right? When you start driving real fast in EVs, bro, you're just smoking through battery. Do you think that with the demand, technology will improve to the point where they can get like real range out of these things? The theoretical range of the Tesla Roadster was like 600 miles, but again, that's never been done. I think, so I'm not an expert on EVs, and there's like electrical engineers that'll be screaming fucking at their iPods right now. Well, it's normal in those podcasts. I know, right? I believe that the 300 mile range, that's a good amount of range. The key that we will see that will really be a game changer is battery charge times. Can we get a charge in five minutes or 10 minutes and not 30 minutes or an hour? Right. And the number of stations, the opportunity to charge. And that's an issue with the Porsche over the Teslas. They don't have the supercharging network, right? Correct. Although they are using the Electrify America network, which is actually, it's another one of the networks that's met for like normal EVs. It's actually bigger. Really? But they don't have as many super high speed chargers. So the Tesla and all EVs on the market right now, except the Taycan, all the rest are 400 volt systems. Okay. And the Tesla is probably the best, most efficient use of 400 volt architecture. 800 volt architecture, if Porsche is to be believed, is more efficient. It's a lighter setup. It flows in and out faster than the 400 volt system. There's a couple other advantages to it, but it can charge really, really fast through the correct chargers. There just aren't that many of the super fast ones around. There's only three in LA right now. One is in Burbank at the Best Buy in Burbank, is the closest one to here. And I charged one from almost dead to almost full in about 18 minutes. Wow. At that one, yeah. But they're just not very many. So you can go stop, grab a cup of coffee, get a bite to eat real quick. Go to Best Buy. Yeah, stroll around. You come out, you got 80% of your juice. It was pretty good. It went fast enough that I could watch it go six, seven. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was pretty good. That's not bad. Yeah, if they get the number of stations right, I think the real problem with EV adoption, especially in the place of LA, is the infrastructure, man. I don't think this city generates enough electricity through its grid for all of us to be charging cars at home. That's a good point, right? Because if we got all the millions of cars that are now charging, it would radically change everything. Yeah, yeah. Unless everybody switched over to solar. Even solar, I don't think is efficient enough. That's the other problem is now it's a homeowner's thing. And so EVs are awesome. If you like how an EV drives and you like the experience of owning one and it works for your life, 1,000% get an EV. But is a 90% EV adoption rate in LA something that's really realistic? Not anytime soon. Dude, what do we need to talk about with cars? Is there anything else happening in the industry that you wanna know about? Well, I mean, the Taycan, I don't think we've completely covered it. My question with all these cars is what is next, right? It's like we're seeing these incredible zero to 60 under three second times. We're going to eventually see the range increase. But if you had asked me 10 years ago, are we gonna see a 2.40 to 60 sedan that feels like it's violating physics when you stomp on the gas? I mean, that's where I drive. It has a laptop for a screen. Yeah, we've gotten to about, I don't know, right maybe 10 years ago or so, the trajectory of increased performance got very steep. Where the new version of every car has a hundred more horsepower. It's crazy. Now we've got these high performance EVs and with a high performance EV, you've built a dragster. That's a fucking dragster. I mean, the Taycan does a quarter mile and the low tens. I mean, so you can, I don't wanna be flippant and say all it takes is money, but all it takes is money. You walk into a dealer and you buy in a dragster that you sit in an HRA license to run that fast. Now you can do it on the way to Whole Foods. That's crazy. And so with Taycan, the real difference for me between Taycan and Tesla is the steering and handling because Teslas have very video game-y steering. It's accurate and it's sharp, but it's not. I don't feel it. No, Taycan has the steering system from the Porsche 992. And so it feels like a Porsche. And so when I drove it, I texted you, I go, Joe, this is for you. Well, Tesla figured out how to make it go fast and they figured out how to make it handle pretty good. How to make it cool. They figured out how to make it definitely cool because EVs, remember the RAV4 EV, fucking Ed Bagley was driving in the 90s, like. What is this, Jamie? Video they had, I was gonna put it on. One of the things that makes Porsche Taycan different is they have a two speed transmission. Your Tesla is one gear. So your Tesla from zero to 120 is bananas, but it pretty much dies off because it runs out of gear because most people don't really need to go faster than that. But Porsche with their auto bond stuff, they need more at the top end. So the Taycan actually switches into second gear and keeps pulling like crazy, you know, above 80 to 100 miles an hour. And the biggest difference though, dynamically, is like, you know how in your Tesla you can drive with one foot? Like one pedal. When you lift off the pedal, it breaks the car. And so you can pretty much drive around one foot. Taycan doesn't do that. So Porsche believes that the kinetic energy built up by motion is better used by allowing the car to just coast as far as possible than by hitting the regen and capturing it in the form of breaking the way that Tesla does. Now you can turn that function off in the Tesla. Does that have an impact on, if it's doing that, does it have an impact on the way it feels? Well, it feels, I mean, yes, because you have to use the brakes more in everyday situations. Does it slow down the car quicker to use the brakes more? I mean, to have regenerative, the way Tesla does it? No, it doesn't necessarily slow the car down faster. So it doesn't make a slower 60 to zero time? No, in fact, I believe that Porsche is ultimately better at that. The only real difference is that when you lift off the gas in the Tesla, it slows down as if someone is applying the brakes. In the Porsche, you just pure coast. It's a pure coast and it's a really, it's an even more of a coast feeling than a gasoline car. It's like you're freed of all restraint. Because after I'm fucking mobbed up the mountain making that video that I sent you, I was like, oh shit, dude, I've only got like 40 miles of range left. I gotta get off this fucking hill. Yeah, and so I was at the high point in the hill and I go, let's coast. And so I just coasted and I was like, let's see how far I can go without touching the brakes. And I got this motherfucker coasting up to like 100 miles an hour, taking corners and not using the brakes because the handling and the grip were so good. I coasted like 12 miles down the hill. Dude, what about a deer? What about a boing, boing, boing, right in front of you? Alertness, it's about that alertness. Splatter. I've seen some crazy shit while I'm filming and I've never been able to not stop the car. No, I believe me, I know you can drive. I saw the guy pulling a log down the road, just free on a chain. Oh my God. There was a guy in a Ford Explorer driving in a windy canyon like this. Did you make a video of this? Yeah, I caught it on camera. And with a log, like the size of like a car engine, just free on a chain. Swinging, mowing. Swinging, taking out signs. Jesus Christ. Craziness. Sometimes, I almost threw that video in the garbage too. It's amazing how little of that there really is. Oh yeah, here it is. These people are so goddamn crazy. I think it, right there, back it up. 20 seconds, Jamie, 20 more, yeah. So come around this corner and look. Log. Oh my God. Just free dragging that shit. That is so crazy if he thinks that's okay. And if you back the video up like 30 more seconds, Jamie, you can actually see, not from the very beginning, a little forward, you can see the trail that the log has made on the road. It made like a line of kind of dirt on the road and it goes back and forth across the road. And you go, well, what the hell was that? Dude, that's so crazy. You know what's really crazy about that? That could start a fire. Oh my God. Couldn't it? Probably, but it could also swing into an oncoming car. That's like a 500 pound log. Yeah, it definitely could swing into an oncoming car. That guy definitely doesn't have control of it. It's definitely a terrible, terrible idea. But I managed to stop a supercharged Lamborghini doing that. By the way, that's not my YouTube video. Someone has stolen my YouTube video. These motherfuckers. Yeah. Motherfuckers. These motherfuckers. Hit that fraud protection, Jamie. That's incredible. That's a crazy thing to see. Yeah, there's knuckleheads out there, man. There's a lot of them. Yeah. Yeah.