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The Joe Rogan experience
First of all, thank you very much for being here. I really appreciate it a
pleasure my pleasure
and if you don't mind would you please just tell everybody who you are and
state your
Your resume like what you do. I mean just a brief version of your
credentials. I'm Dick Linsen and my whole life has been in academia
Basically, I finished my doctorate at Harvard and I did spend a couple of years
at the University of Washington and in Norway and in Boulder, Colorado
Then part of that was because at Harvard I was working in atmospheric sciences
but they had no one who dealt with observations
So I went to Seattle
for someone who did and
then I got my first academic position at Chicago and
stayed there about three four years
Moved on to Harvard spent about ten years there and then to MIT for about the
last 35 years
Until I retired in 2013
I've always enjoyed it. I mean the field of atmospheric sciences
When I entered it, I mean the joy of it was a lot of problems that were solvable
So you could look at phenomena
One of them that
I worked on was the so-called quasi-biannual cycle
Turns out the wind above the equator about 16 kilometers
20 kilometers
Goes from east to west for a year
Turns around goes the other way for the next year and so on
And you know, we worked out why that happened and
There were other things like that
So it was a very enjoyable period
Until global warming
And sir, would you tell everybody what your credentials are? What you do? Where
are you from?
I'm Will Happer and I'm a retired professor of physics at Princeton
And like Dick, I'm a science nerd
But I was actually born in India under the British Raj
My father was an army officer in the Indian Army, Scottish
And my mother was American
And that was before World War II
So when I came to America as a small child
My mother was working in Oak Ridge for the Manhattan Project
So I remember, you know, the war days at Oak Ridge
And that's probably why I went into physics
I thought this looks like an interesting way to make a living
And if I can do it, I'll do it
And I have
And I've done a number of things
I spent a lot of time at universities at Columbia, at Princeton
I also served for a couple years in Washington
As director of energy research
Under President Bush, Sr.
And I've learned a lot about climate from Dick, my colleague here
I first became suspicious when I was director of energy research
I would invite people in to explain
How they were spending the taxpayers' money
And most people were delighted to come to Washington
And have some bureaucrat be interested in what they were doing
And there was one exception
That was the people working on climate
And they would always be very resentful
You know, we work for Senator Gore
We don't work for you
And so I would tell them
Well, okay, let him pay for your next year's research
I can find other people who will come and talk to me
Who would be glad to take my money
That's interesting
So Senator Gore has been involved in this whole climate thing
For quite a long time then
Oh, yes, very long time
When he was a senator
Before he was vice president
That's right
And when he made that movie, An Inconvenient Truth
What year was that again, Jamie?
It was like
98 or something?
Yeah
Something like that?
Yeah
99?
That
What is it?
Oh, really?
We're that off?
Wow
Okay
So 2006
So when he made that film
There was always
When I was a child
I do remember Leonard Nimoy
Had a television show called In Search Of
Remember that show?
Sure
And on that show
He warned of an oncoming ice age
Right
Do you remember that?
And I remember being a kid
And freaking out
Like, oh my God
Spock is telling us the world's gonna freeze
This is terrifying
And then somewhere along the line
It became global warming
And initially in the 80s
It was kind of funny
People were saying
Well, hairspray
The more you use it
You could play golf deep
Into November
That was the ozone
Yeah, it was the ozone
Yes
But it was also part of global warming
A little bit
They were worried about global warming
But they were worried about the ozone hole
It wasn't CO2 as much back then
CO2 seems to have really significantly
Become a part of the zeitgeist
After this Al Gore film
No
No?
No, it was before
No, it was
It was a study
In terms of academic study
For sure
But in terms of people panicking
When did CO2
Look, panicking
I have no idea
But
No, what happened was
There was
I would say
With the first Earth Day
1970
There was a real change
In the environmental movement
It began to focus
Much more strongly
On the energy sector
And much less on
Saving the whales
And there was a big difference
I mean
The energy sector
Involved trillions of dollars
The whales
Not so much
Right
And at that time
It was cooling
This global mean temperature
Which doesn't change much
But you know
You focus on one degree
A half degree
So it looks like something
And it was cooling
From the 1930s
1930s were very warm
And it was getting cooler
Until the 70s
And that's why
They were saying
Well
You know
This is going to lead
To an ice age
And they focused on that
For a while
And then in the 70s
And at that time
Well
What do you say
You know
If you're worried
About an ice age
They said
Well
It will be
The sulfate
Submitted by
Coal burning
Because that reflects light
And the less light
That we get
The colder we'll get
But then
The temperature
Stopped cooling
In the 70s
And started warming
And that's when
They said
Well
You have to warm
Now scare people
With warming
And you can't use
The sulfates anymore
But the
Scientists called
Suki Manabi
Showed that
Even though
CO2
Doesn't do much
In the way of warming
Doubling it
Would only give you
A half degree
Or so
But if you assumed
That relative humidity
Stayed constant
So that every time
You warmed a little
You added water vapor
Which is a much more
Important greenhouse gas
You would double
The impact
Of CO2
Which now gives you
A degree
Which still isn't
A heck of a lot
But still
It was saying
You could increase it
And that's when
People started saying
Well now
We better find CO2
It's increased
Because of
Industrialization
And so on
And that began
The demonization
Of CO2
Do you think
There's just
Always people
That are going
To point to
Anything like this
That's difficult
To define
And use it
To their advantage
Oh yeah
And this was
A particular case
You wanted to deal
You know
The energy sector
Is trillions
Of dollars
Anything you can do
To overturn it
Change it
To replace
Fossil fuels
It's big bucks
Right
And one of the
Odd things
I think
In politics
I don't see it
Studied much
Congress can
Actually give away
Trillions of dollars
If you look
If you look
If you look
At the McKinsey
Report
On
You know
Eliminating CO2
Net zero
They're saying
It'll cost
Hundreds
Of trillions
Of dollars
Well
If you're giving
Out that much
You don't need
That much
Of your politician
All you need
Is millions
For your campaigning
And all you're
Asking
Are the recipients
Of people
Who are getting
The money
That you are
Giving them
A half percent
A quarter percent
You're golden
So that's much
Better than
Giving out
A hundred thousand
And having
All of it back
Well the key though
Is also making it
A subject
That you cannot
Challenge
There's no room
For any rational
Debate
And if you discuss
It at all
You are now
A climate change
Denier
Which is like
Being an anti-vaxxer
Or you know
Fill in the blank
With whatever
Other horrible
Thing you could
Be called
Now that's
A very interesting
Phenomenon
I was looking
At it
On the one hand
You're told
The science
Is settled
Thousands
Of the world's
Leading
Climate scientists
All agree
Which often
Makes you wonder
I mean
You went to college
How many
Climate scientists
Did you know
I mean
A thousand
But on the other hand
If you read
The IPCC reports
They're pointing out
For instance
That water vapor
And clouds
Are much bigger
Than CO2
And we don't
Understand them
At all
So here you have
The biggest phenomenon
We don't understand
At all
But the science
Is settled
Who knows
What that means
Well it's also
There's this very
Bizarre dynamic
Of the earth's
Temperature itself
Which has never
Been static
No
How would it
Remain static
That would
Involve
A hugely
Reactive system
Doesn't make any sense
But everyone seems
To be buying this
Narrative
That the science
Is settled
And the earth
Is warming
We have to act now
You say everyone
I'm not so sure
No I don't say everyone
A lot of politicians
In particular
Politicians are very
Attractive to this
Because it gives them power
Right
And it's hard to define
And you can argue
And if you argue
Against it
You're a bad person
That's a good one
You do all that
But you know
We spend part of a year
In France
My wife is French
You know
Ordinary people
Once you get to the countryside
Don't take this
All that seriously
Here too
I suspect ordinary people
Have more skepticism
Than many people
Who are more educated
Yes but unfortunately
These ordinary people
Sometimes are impacted
By these politicians
Decisions
Where they have to
In the UK
They were getting rid of cows
They were forcing people
To kill cows
They're paying three times more
For their heating
And their electric bills
Right
Right
And it makes people poorer
It's making it almost impossible
To electrify parts of the world
That need it
And that involves billions of people
No I mean
It's doing phenomenal damage
And pain
But
You know
I think for politicians
And for many people
Who are well off
They need something
That gives meaning
To their life
And saving the planet
Seems sufficiently
Yes
Grandiose
Yes
How would
How are these net zero policies
Stopping people
From getting electricity
Well
By making it expensive
By eliminating fossil fuels
Fossil fuels are cheaper
At least
The experience in the UK
Is when you switch to
Quote renewables
It tripled the price of electricity
Right
But what I'm talking about
Is like third world countries
Parts of the world
That are undeveloped
They can't afford it
And that's all it is
They can't afford it
Yeah
And but they also
To if they didn't follow
These net zero policies
What kind of plants
Are we talking about
Are we talking about coal plants
Coal
Anything
Whatever is available
Yeah
I mean
You know
So you think
Even though coal
Does pollute the environment
And it releases particulates
Right
It's not
How should I put it
You know
It's always a matter of cost
We have a plant
I think in Alabama
That has
Basically as clean
As any other plant
That burns coal
You can clean it
You can scrub it
You can get rid of
Almost everything
Except CO2
Okay
So the particulates
Aren't as big of an issue
As they used to be
In the past
I agree
They're more efficient
Okay
Yeah
So stopping
So this net zero thing
Is stopping them
From installing
Modernized coal plants
In parts of the world
Oh yeah
That do not have electricity
And the overall net negative
Weighs much heavier
In not bringing these coal plants
I think so
And not bringing these people
Into the first world
And there are of course
The alternative natural gas
And so on
Which are available in places
You know
There are places
Where you have
You're lucky
Like in Norway
Or Canada
You know
Quebec
Where you have hydro
Which is intrinsically clean
But there's a problem
With politicians
I remember once
Being in D.C.
And some Republican politicians
Came and said
You know what we just did
We banned incandescent light bulbs
I said
Wasn't that a great thing
I said
That's the stupidest thing
I've heard today
What's the point
Because at the time
What was replacing it
Compact fluorescents
Which were awful
All they had to do
Was wait
And do nothing
And LEDs
Would come along
And people would say
Okay
I prefer that
Instead
They feel
They have to do something
And they would switch
The fluorescence
Which turned out
To be terrible
For people
Yeah
So incandescents
Aren't bad for you
They were simply
Less efficient
Than the
You know
In terms of
The number of watts
Of heat
They generate
Versus light
I mean
LEDs are phenomenal
That way
Right
They're the best
Yeah
Well you know
It's interesting
When they have
These decisions
That they make like that
That do turn out
To be negative
Ultimately
And that
Yet people still
Allow them
To make silly decisions
That don't seem
To be making sense
Yeah
I think
There's an old
Cliche
Money is the root
Of all evil
Yeah
That's what I was
Going to get to
This is the
Disturbing thing
That I think
A lot of people
Have a hard time
Accepting
Especially a lot
Of very polite
Educated
People
That have followed
The narrative
That you follow
If you're a good person
And if you're a person
Who trusts science
And that is
That like
We have a serious problem
We have to address it now
Or there will be
No America
For our grandchildren
This is the thing
That we keep hearing
You mentioned
A tough thing there
The business
Trusts science
Yes
It's not a great idea
Because
That isn't
Science is not
A source of authority
It's a methodology
It's based
It's based on challenge
Right
And so
Where did this narrative
Come from then
Trust the science
The success of science
In other words
This is a relatively
New way
To approach the world
I mean
A few hundred years
And the notion is
And I think
It's been stated
Many times
That you test things
And if they
Fail to predict correctly
They're wrong
So you find out
What's wrong with them
You don't
Fudge them
You don't
Change the
Rules
It's
Led to
Immense
Improvements
In life
Development
Of all sorts
Of things
And so
It has a good
Reputation
Politicians
Politicians
Have less
Of a reputation
So they wish
To co-opt
The reputation
Of science
Yes
That's a very
Good point
Because try
Finding a good
Politician
That everybody
Agrees
Is rock solid
You can find
Plenty of science
That everybody
Thinks is amazing
Yeah
Cell phone technology
Nuclear power
So many things
That people go
That's incredible
That they did that
Well that's also
Confusing technology
With science
The result of science
Yeah
Right
Yeah absolutely
Yeah
Which is also an issue
Right
And when you can
Get politicians
To attach themselves
To narratives
That are supposedly
Connected to science
You mentioned
Gore at the beginning
Yes
You know
With that thing
He was showing
This cycle
Of ice ages
And co2
And temperature
Going together
And it never
Bothered him
That the temperature
Changed first
And then the co2
Yeah
Greg Braden
Was on the podcast
Recently
He was explaining
There have been
Times where the co2
Was much higher
In the atmosphere
But the temperature
Was colder
Oh yeah
So it's not
Like we can point
To like
Look at the dinosaurs
We don't want to
Live the way
The dinosaurs lived
Look how much co2
They had
And then the other
Really inconvenient
Thing with co2
Is that the earth
Is actually greener
Than it has been
In a long time
I mean
I think
We'll speak
To that
But I mean
Essentially
The increased
Amount of co2
In the industrial era
Has added greatly
To the arable land
And in fact
There's a funny story
Do you know the name
E.O. Wilson
Have you ever heard
That name?
I do
I have heard it
But I don't know where
Is he wrote
He was a biologist
At Harvard
He wrote about
Sociobiology
His specialty
Were ants
And bees
And things
Social insects
And he was
Giving a talk
And it came up
For reasons
That were not
Obvious to me
He was talking
About the population
Of humanoids
And he was mentioning
That you go back
You know
A few hundred thousand
Years
And you began
The first humanoids
And they got to
About a few million
But then
During the last
Glacial maximum
The numbers
Went down to
Tens of thousands
There was a complete
Wipeout
Of humans
So I asked him
Afterwards
I said
Do you think
This could have
Anything to do
With the fact
That CO2
Is so low
That there was
No food
And his response
Was to turn around
And walk away
That's an inconvenient
Truth sir
It's just
To me
It's very strange
To see an almost
Unanimous
Acceptance
Of
That we have
Settled this
That the science
Is settled
From so many people
And both
The left
And in academia
And even on the right
There's a lot of people
On the right
That believe that
Yeah I know
And it should be
The first thing
That makes you suspicious
Yeah
Right
There's a consensus
Yeah
I mean
This is not how
Science is done
Something that's
Never static
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You know
The weirdest thing
Is when you look
At the charts
Of the overall
Temperature of earth
That have been
You know
From core samples
Over a long period of time
It's this crazy wave
And like
No one was controlling
It back then
And we're supposed
To believe
That we can control it now
That we can do something
There's something else
About it
Which I find funny
And you might
Have some insight
Into it
People pay no attention
To the actual numbers
Yeah
I mean
We're not talking
About big changes
You know
In other words
You know
For the temperature
Of the globe
As a whole
Between now
And the last
Glacial maximum
The difference
Was five degrees
But that was because
Most of the earth
Was not affected
Much of the earth
Anyway
Very much
But you know
Somebody says
One degree
A half degree
What's his name
Gutierrez
At the UN
Says
The next half degree
And we're done for
I mean
Doesn't anyone ask
A half degree
I mean
I deal with that
Between
You know
9 a.m.
And 10 a.m.
I mean
It does seem crazy
It's just that
Kind of fear
Of minute change
That they try
To put into people
And what I think
People need to understand
That are casual
Observers of this
Is what you discussed
Earlier
How much money
Is involved
In getting people
To buy into this narrative
So you can pass
Some bill
That's called
Save the world climate
Some crazy like that
Where everyone goes along
They call it
The inflation reduction act
Even better
Who doesn't want
To reduce inflation
And then next thing
You know
There's windmills
Killing whales
And all kinds of nonsense
But the point being
It's
It is a fascinating science
Like the science itself
Is fascinating
Oh yeah
You get rid of the ideology
And you stop attaching
This thing versus
You know
You're either pro-science
Or anti-science
Just look at the actual
Data of it
It's absolutely fascinating
And these minute changes
The fact that
The procession of the equinoxes
Or the world
Earth wobbles
Like the whole thing
Is nuts
Like the whole temperature
And it has to stay
Relatively stable
In order to keep us alive
In terms of
Like can't go too low
Can't go too high
We're in this
Goldilocks zone
The interesting thing is
During the ice ages
We almost get wiped out
Got really close
Right
And what's interesting
About that is
As far as temperature goes
Okay
Yeah
The poles have gotten
Much colder
You have ice covering
Illinois
Two kilometers of ice
That's uninhabitable
But you get south
Of 30 degrees latitude
Not very different
From today
In terms of temperature
And so
You would think
You had 100,000 years
People would
Sort of
Migrate
To an area
Where it was now
Pleasant
Trouble was
Without CO2
Which went down
To about
180
There wasn't
Enough food
For the people
Oh
So there wasn't
Enough plant life
Yeah
Get down to 160
150
All life
Would die
There would be
Not enough food
For anything
What's that now
Like 240
No
We're now
400
400
Yeah
410
430 maybe
Today
Yeah
Okay
When you
First started
Discussing this
And when you
First started
Getting interested
In this
How much pushback
Did you get
Interesting question
Actually
Quite a lot
But I mean
It took very
Funny forms
So for instance
In
Let's see
1989
For instance
I sent a paper
To Science Magazine
Questioning
Whether this
Is something
To worry about
And they
Sent it back
Immediately
Saying there
Was no
Interest
So I
Sent it
To the
Bulletin
Of the
American
Meteorological
Society
And they
Reviewed it
And published
It
And the
Editor was
Immediately
Fired
Wow
About
Ten years
Later
Working
With some
Colleagues
At NASA
We found
Something called
The iris
Effect
That clouds
Which were
Greenhouse
Effected
The upper
Levels
Contracted
When it got
Warm
Letting more
Heat out
So cooling
As a
Negative
Feedback
And we
Got the
Paper
Put it
Got reviewed
It was
Published
Again
The editor
Was fired
Immediately
But the
New editor
Came on
Immediately
And said
He's inviting
Papers
To criticize
It
And suddenly
There were
Tons of
Papers
Criticizing
It
Looking for
Anything
That differed
From what
We did
Including one
That found
A difference
That actually
Made the
CO2
Even less
Important
But it
Was different
So he
Thought he
Could
It's insane
And even
Now there
Is something
Called gate
Keepers
I don't
Know
Are you
Familiar
With the
Release
Of emails
From East
Anglia
No I'm
Not
Okay
This is
20 years
Ago
Or something
Almost
Somebody
Anonymous
Released
The emails
From a
Place in
England
The University
Of East
Anglia
Which has
A lot
Of people
Pushing
Climate
Alarm
And they
Were
Communicating
With other
People like
Michael Mann
And so
On
And they
Were talking
About blocking
Publication
And getting
Rid of editors
And doing
This and
Doing that
And so
On
And that
Was all
Public
And it
Had no
Impact at
All
That sounds
Like that
Should be
Illegal
Yeah
Well you
Know the
Whole business
With
How should
I put
It
Peer
Review
It
Is not
Ancient
Before
World War
II
Very few
Journals
Had peer
Review
And in
Fact when
I have
Students
Look at
Old
Journals
From the
Nineteenth
Century
One of
The big
Surprises
Is they
Are less
Formal
Than today's
Papers
They are
Literally
Discussions
Among
Scientists
About
Their
Results
Their
Questions
Their
Uncertainties
And so
On
There's
Real
Communication
Today
I mean
There's
Much
More
Formality
In the
Papers
There's
Also
In my
Field
The
Meteorological
Society
Actually
Did a
Poll
Or
Study
How
Often
Are
Papers
Referred
To
And it
Turns out
The
Average
Paper
Is
Referred
To
Once
Wow
I mean
So
You
Have
These
Things
Papers
Are
Written
To
Satisfy
The
Funding
Agency
Nobody
Seems
To
Pay
Attention
To
Them
How
Did
You
Get
Involved
In
This
Well
I
Mentioned
My
Stay
At
The
Department
Of
Energy
And
That's
What
Really
Sucked
Me
Into
It
I
Had
Never
Paid
Much
Attention
To
Climate
Science
Before
For
But
I
Was
Spending
A
Money
The
Tax
Fears
Money
On
It
And
So
I
Thought
I
Have
To
Learn
A
Little
Bit
About
It
And
I
Already
Mentioned
That
Most
Of
The
Climate
Scientists
Did
Not
Appreciate
My
Questioning
They
Were
Very
Strange
Because
Almost
Any
Other
Science
When
They
Got
A
Call
From
Washington
Come
In
And
Tell
Us
What
You're
Doing
They
Were
Just
Delighted
To
Come
And
Make
A
Case
About
How
Important
Their
Work
Was
But
The
Climate
Sciences
Were
Completely
Different
Did
Anybody
Engage
With
You
Yeah
They
Had
To
Because
I
Threatened
To
Cut
Off
Their
Funding
If
They
Didn't
Come
And
So
They
Would
Come
And
Be
Very
Sullen
And
They
Wouldn't
Answer
Questions
And
You
Can't
Have
A
Seminar
Without
Asking
Questions
That's
How
You
Learn
So
They
Would
Come
To
Try
To
Get
Funding
From
You
And
They
Wouldn't
They
Have
To
Convince
You
That
What
They're
Doing
Is
Important
So
They're
Entitled
To
That
Money
Well
That's
Right
Well
You
Know
I
Was
Working
For
President
Bush
Senior
And
When
Carter
And
Gore
Won
The
Election
You
Know
Gore
Couldn't
Wait
To
Fire
Me
You
Know
At
The
Behest
Of
All
Of
His
Protégés
Clinton
And
Gore
Clinton
And
Gore
Yeah
That's
Right
So
He
You
Know
Washington
Fortunately
It's
Very
Hard
To
Make
Anything
Happen
Including
Firing
Someone
You
Want
To
Fire
Because
You
Can't
Find
Them
In
The
Org
Chart
So
It
Took
Them
Two
Or
Three
Months
To
Find
Me
But
They
Finally
Did
Fire
Me
I
Was
Glad
To
Be
Fired
I
Wanted
To
Go
Back
To
Do
Research
I
Was
Tired
Of
Being
A
Bureaucrat
So
I
You
When
You
First
Started
Questioning
Whether
Or
Not
This
Narrative
Is
Correct
Well
You
Know
My
Field
Is
Actually
Hard
Physics
You
Know
I
I'm
Nuclear
Physics
Trained
And
I've
Done
A lot
Of
Work
With
Lasers
And
These
Are
Things
You
You
Can
Measure
They
Don't
Have
Much
Political
Influence
A
Lot
Of
Them
Have
A
Military
Significance
In
Fact
The
Reason
I
Was
Brought
To
Washington
Is
Because
I
Invented
An
Important
Part
Of
The
Star
Wars
Defense
Initiative
Which
I
Can
Say
About
Later
But
I
Never
Really
Paid
Any
Close
Attention
To
Science
Until
Then
But
I
Was
Climate
Science
I
Should
Say
Yes
So
Once
I
Had
This
Experience
In
Washington
And
I
Started
Looking
To
It
I
Didn't
Have
Time
To
Look
A
Lot
Because
My
Own
Research
Was
Going
Still
At
Princeton
And
We
Had
Discovered
Some
Things
That
We
Were
Able
To
Form
A
Little
Startup
Company
And
So
You
Know
Forming
The
Company
And
Getting
It
Going
And
Funded
Used
Up
Most
Of
My
Time
I
Didn't
Have
Time
To
Look
At
Climate
But
Eventually
That
Was
Behind
Me
And
I
Invited
Dick
To
Come
Give
A
Seminar
At
A
Colloquium
At
Princeton
And
That
Really
When
I
Began
To
Get
Very
Interested
In
It
And
I
Realized
That
It's
Just
Completely
Different
From
Normal
Science
It
Completely
Politicized
If
You
Can't
Ask
A
Question
That's
A
Bad
Bad
Sign
And
If
You
Have
100%
Consensus
Determining
The
Truth
That's
An
Even
Worse
Sign
Because
The
Truth
In
Science
Is
Whether
What
You
Predict
Agrees
With
Observation
And
That
Wasn't
True
Of
The
Climate
Science
Community
They
Would
Predict
All
These
Things
And
None
Of
Them
Ever
Happened
And
There
Was
No
Consequence
You
Know
One
Failure
After
Another
And
Nothing
Ever
Happened
The
Funding
Kept
Pouring
In
Now
Is
This
Behind
The
Scenes
Is
This
Discussed
Amongst
Physicists
And
Other
Hard
Scientists
Do
They
Talk
About
How
Climate
Science
Has
Been
Politicized
And
The
Issue
That
That
Causes
Or
Do
They
Just
Accept
It
Well
I
Think
Speaking
As
A
Physicist
I
Don't
Know
How
It
Is
In
Other
Fields
And
From
Princeton
I
Think
Most
Of
My
Colleagues
Recognize
That
There's
A lot
Of
Nonsense
There
But
They're
Afraid
To
Speak
Up
Because
It's
Bringing
In
Enormous
Amounts
Of
Money
Dick
Mentioned
That
The
Love
Of
Money
Is
The
Root
Of
All
Evil
And
Universities
For
Example
At
Princeton
We
Have
Enormous
New
Building
Program
It's
Funded
To
A
Large
Extent
From
Overhead
From
Climate
Grants
You
Know
And
You're
Talking
About
You
Know
Not
Small
Change
You're
Talking
About
Hundreds
Of
Millions
Of
Dollars
For
Construction
So
It's
Like
You
Know
This
Famous
Drama
Of
This
Norwegian
Playwright
Enemy
Of
The
People
Ibsen
And
The
Point
Of
The
Drama
Was
There
Was
This
Resort
Town
In
Norway
Where
You
Would
Come
And
You
Would
Be
Treated
At
The
Spa
You
Drink
The
Water
And
Go
Home
Healthy
Well
People
Would
Come
And
Drink
The
Water
And
They
Would
Die
Of
Typhoid
And
A
Local
Doctor
Said
You
No
We're
Killing
People
We're
Not
Curing
Them
And
He
Was
Declared
An
Enemy
Of
The
People
Because
He
Was
Cutting
Off
The
Source
Of
Funding
For
The
City
So
It's
That
Syndrome
It's
An
Ancient
Human
Problem
So
It's
Always
Been
There
And
It's
There
In
Spades
With
Climate
It's
Part
Of
It
Another
Part
Of
It
Is
The
Politicization
Has
Made
It
A
Partisan
Issue
I
Mean
In
The
U.S.
And
I
Think
That's
In
A
Way
Fortunate
It's
Almost
A
Right
Versus
Left
Issue
Yeah
And
As
A
Result
You
Have
People
Universities
Are
Almost
Entirely
On
The
Left
And
So
It's
Something
They
Support
You
Know
The
Money
End
Of
It
Is
Sort
Of
Funny
I
Mean
I
Have
The
Feeling
At
MIT
That
Our
President
Sally
Kornbluth
You
Know
Probably
Spends
Her
Time
Worrying
About
How
She
Can
Use
Climate
Money
To
Support
The
Music
Department
I
Don't
Know
So
When
They
Get
Funding
For
Climate
They
Can
Allocate
It
As
They
Wish
You
Know
It
Is
Fungible
Okay
You
Get
This
Huge
Overhead
You
Know
50%
60%
Of
Your
Grant
Goes
To
The
Administration
And
Not
To
Your
Research
Yeah
They
Can
Do
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They
Like
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The
Narrative
And
Say
I
Think
We
Need
To
Re-examine
What's
Going
On
With
CO2
In
The
Atmosphere
And
It
Seems
There's
A
Political
Is
Of
This
Subject
And
That's
Bad
For
Science
That's
Bad
For
Education
It's
Bad
For
Everything
Let's
Take
A
Step
Back
They
Would
Immediately
Lose
So
Much
Well
The
Main
Thing
It's
Bad
For
Is
For
Overhead
Income
To
The
University
Exactly
Exactly
By the
Way
I
Mean
This
Is
Something
That
The
Press
Didn't
Deal
With
Very
Much
Trump
Was
Cutting
The
Overhead
He
Was
Saying
That
He
Didn't
Want
To
Have
That
Included
In
Grants
I
Don't
Think
The
Public
Realized
How
Significant
That
Was
For
Better
Or
Worse
Yeah
I
Think
Most
People
Have
No
Idea
Where
Grants
Go
They
Don't
Even
Think
About
Yeah
No
I
Mean
The
Amount
Of
Money
That's
Involved
Yeah
When
I
Was
Active
If
I
Got
A
Grant
I'm
A
Theoretician
So
I
Didn't
Need
Laboratory
Work
It
Mainly
Was
For
Support
Of
Students
And
So
But
Then
Fifty
Percent
Of
It
Went
To
The
Administration
Yeah
It's
Like
A
Lot
Of
Charities
Almost
Yeah
A lot
Of
Money
Goes
To
Overhead
A lot
Of
Money
Goes
To
Executives
A lot
Of
Money
Goes
To
The
Administration
On
Grants
It's
And
Some
Of
It
Is
Reasonable
Sure
But
But
It's
Also
You're
Kind
Of
Attached
To
Keeping
That
Money
Flowing
In
And
There's
A
Gigantic
Incentive
To
Not
Rock
The
Boat
And
Not
Discuss
It
The
Same
Way
You
Would
Discuss
Nuclear
Science
Right
Yeah
Oh
Yeah
And
And
The
Attraction
I
Mean
If
You're
An
Administrator
If
You're
A
President
Of
A
University
That
Often
Overrides
Everything
Else
You know
That
You're
Raising
Money
I
Remember
Years
Ago
I
Started
College
At
Rensselaer
And
I
Made
The
Mistake
Of
Mentioning
Someone
That
I
Appreciated
The
Fact
They
Never
Bothered
Me
I
Transferred
Out
After
My
Sophomore
Year
So
It
Began
Bothering
Me
And
I
Realized
The
President
Of
Rensselaer
Was
Making
Over
A
Million
And
A
Half
Dollars
This
Was
Years
Ago
Probably
Making
Much
More
Now
And
The
Fundraiser
Came
Back
To
Me
And
Said
Do
You
Know
How
Much
Money
She
Raises
And
I
Said
Oh
So
She
On
Commission
Right
Yeah
That
Is
Kind
Of
What's
Going
On
It
Gets
Real
Weird
When
You
Bring
That
Kind
Of
Stuff
Up
And
People
Get
Very
Reluctant
To
Have
These
Discussions
They
Don't
Want
To
Rock
The
Boat
I
Talk
To
A
Lot
Of
Friends
In
Academia
And
They
Say
People
Pull
You
Aside
Like
In
Quiet
Corners
To
Discuss
How
This
Is
Kind
Of
Bullshit
But
There's
Also
The
Alumni
I
Find
This
With
Harvard
Especially
A
Lot
Of
The
People
Who
Graduate
From
Harvard
Really
Love
The
Place
For
Better
Or
For
Worse
And
They
Will
Do
Anything
To
Protect
It
That
Makes
Sense
Yeah
Especially
Since
To
Stick
Your
Fit
Unless
You're
Writing
A
Book
About
You
Know
How
Ridiculous
Current
Climate
Change
Models
Are
A
Lot
Of
People
Did
At
First
In
Half
A
Lot
Of
Politicians
Wrote
Books
Saying
This
Is
A
Hoax
This
Is
A
And
They
Managed
To
Ride
That
Out
I
Mean
By
Just
Keeping
On
Demanding
That
It
Be
Accepted
It
Is
Interesting
It
Is
Interesting
It
Because
It
Is
Universally
Accepted
On
The
Left
Any
Discussion
At
All
I
Have
Conversations
With
People
And
I
Say
What
Do
You
Think
That
Like
What
Do
You
Know
About
Climate
Change
And
Almost
None
Of
Them
Have
Any
Idea
What
The
Actual
Predictions
Are
How
Wrong
They
Been
What
Al
Gore
Predicted
In
This
Stupid
Movie
Which
Is
So
Far
Off
If
You
Thought
We
Were
All
Going
To
Be
Dead
Today
Right
There's
Very
Little
Change
Between
2006
And
Today
I
Mean
As
I
Mentioned
Before
I
Think
For
Some
People
It's
Importance
Is
It
Gives
Quote
Meaning
To
Their
Life
Yes
It
Becomes
A
Part
Of
An
Ideology
And
It's
Very
Cult
Like
Ideology
That
Encompasses
A
Lot
Of
Are
The
Major
Factors
You
Talked
About
Water
Vapor
CO2
There's
Methane
There's
A lot
Of
Different
Factors
That
Would
Lead
To
The
Temperature
Of
The
Earth
Moving
In
Any
Direction
Correct
Yeah
Let
Let
Me
Back
Off
That
A
Little
Because
One
Of
The
Things
That
Is
Sort
Of
Strange
Is
The
Narrative
Itself
Deals
With
Global
Temperature
Not
Clear
What
That
Is
I
Mean
Some
Average
Over
The
Whole
Globe
How
Do
You
Take
It
What
Do
With
It
But
More
Than
That
What
Is
Climate
And
You
Know
There
Is
A
Definition
It's
An
Arbitrary
Definition
And
It's
That
It's
Time
It's
Time
Variation
On
Time
Scales
Longer
Than
30
Years
It's
Pretty
Arbitrary
Yeah
But
It
Distinguishes
It
From
Weather
Which
Is
Changes
From
Day
To
Day
Or
Week
To
Week
Right
So
If
They
Can
See
A
Rise
In
Temperature
Over
30
Years
They
Start
Getting
Concerned
They
Okay
Now
You
Can
Take
Data
From
Every
Station
And
Filter
It
To
Get
Rid
Of
Everything
Shorter
Than
30
Years
That
That's
Called
The
Low
Pass
Filter
And
You
Can
Look
At
That
And
Each
Station
And
See
How
Does
It
Correlate
With
The
Globe
And
It
Turns
Out
Very
Poorly
Because
Most
Climate
Change
By
That
Definition
Is
Regional
So
For
Instance
In
This
Area
Let's
Say
The
States
Like
Louisiana
Alabama
Gulf
States
They
Had
A
Period
Of
Cooling
When
The
Rest
Of
The
Country
Was
Warming
Nobody
Paid
Much
Attention
To
It
Because
That's
Normal
Different
Areas
Do
Different
Things
You
Have
Reasons
Why
It's
Local
I
Mean
If
You're
Near
A
Coast
Near
A
Body
Of
Water
The
Circulations
In
The
Ocean
Are
Bringing
Heat
To
The
Surface
And
Away
From
The
Surface
All
The
Time
On
Time
Scales
Ranging
From
A
Few
Years
For
El
Nino
And
So
To
A
Thousand
Years
And
So
This
Has
Nothing
To
Do
With
The
Global
Average
The
Whole
Business
That
The
Global
Average
Is
At
Issue
Was
Something
That
Was
Created
For
People
Studying
Different
Planets
And
So
You'd
Look
At
The
Average
For
Each
Planet
And
That
Varied
Quite
A
Lot
So
It
Was
Useful
But
For
Looking
At
The
Earth
Climate
I'm
Not
Sure
A
Global
Mean
Is
A
Particularly
Useful
Device
That
Makes
Sense
How
Much
Of
A
Factor
Does
The
Sun
Play
Obviously
A lot
It
Heats
Us
Up
But
Like
Yeah
The
Changing
I
You
Know
That
Something
There's
Argument
About
I
Think
You
Know
For
Instance
A
Man
Called
Milankovic
Around
1940
Made
A
Convincing
Argument
And
I
Think
Now
It's
Correct
That
Orbital
Variations
Created
A
Change
In
Insulation
Incoming
Sunlight
In
The
Arctic
In
Summer
And
That
Controlled
The
Ice
Ages
And
The
Thinking
Was
Pretty
Simple
He
Was
Saying
That
You
Know
Every
Winter
Is
Cold
Every
Winter
Has
Snow
But
What
The
Temperature
Or
The
Insulation
Or
The
Sunlight
In
The
Summer
Is
Determines
Whether
That
Snow
Melts
Or
Not
Before
The
Next
Cycle
And
If
You're
At
A
Point
Where
It
Doesn't
Melt
You
Build
A
Glacier
Takes
Thousands
Of
Years
But
Eventually
It's
Big
And
In
Recent
Years
For
Instance
There
Have
Been
Young
People
Who
Have
Shown
That
That
Works
As
Interesting
There
Was
Even
A
National
Program
Called
Climap
To
Study
This
It's
Around
1990
Or
So
And
They
Found
Something
Peculiar
They
Found
That
There
Were
Peaks
In
The
Orbital
Variables
That
Were
Found
In
The
Data
For
Ice
Volume
But
That
The
Time
Series
Were
Not
Lining
Up
Right
The
Young
People
Looking
At
This
Said
You're
Looking
At
The
Wrong
Thing
If
You're
Looking
At
The
Insulation
You
Want
To
Look
At
The
Time
Rate
Of
Change
Of
Ice
Volume
Not
Just
The
Ice
Volume
And
Then
The
Correlations
Were
Excellent
So
This
Was
A
Theory
Milankovic
That
I
Think
Is
Been
Reasonably
Sustained
But
It
The
People
Doing
This
Got
No
Credit
Nothing
Because
You
Know
Early
In
My
Career
These
People
Would
Have
Been
Rewarded
Now
It
Didn't
Contribute
To
Global
Warming
Nobody
Pays
Attention
To
It
Joe
Let
Let
Me
Add
To
What
Dick
Said
Which
I
Agree
With
But
You
Asked
About
The
Sun
And
As
Jake
Says
That
Is
A
Controversial
Issue
The
Establishment
Narrative
Is
That
The
Sun
Has
Very
Little
To
Do
With
It
It's
All
CO2
CO2
Is
The
Control
Don't
Don't
Confuse
Me
With
Other
Possibilities
But
Nobody
Is
Quite
Sure
About
The
Sun
We
Have
Not
Got
Good
Records
Of
The
Sun
For
A
Long
Time
So
We're
Stuck
With
Proxies
Of
How
Bright
Was
The
Sun
500
Years
Ago
Or
5,000
Years
Ago
And
One
Of
The
Proxies
Is
When
The
Sun
Activity
Changes
It
Changes
The
Amount
Of
Radioactive
Isotopes
That
Makes
In
The
Atmosphere
Things
Like
Carbon
14
Or
Beryllium
10
These
Stick
Around
For
Long
You
Know
Thousands
Of
Years
Or
Longer
And
You
Can
From
That
Infer
How
Many
Of
Them
Were
Made
500
Years
Ago
Or
5,000
Years
Ago
And
They
Don't
Give
Any
Support
To
The
Idea
That
The
Sun
Has
Been
Constant
It's
Very
Clear
For
Example
That
The
Amount
Of
Carbon
14
You
Know
This
Radio
Activity
That's
Produced
Changes
From
Year
To
Year
If
You
Don't
Take
That
Into
Account
You
Get
All
The
Dates
Wrong
From
Carbon
14
Dating
You
Know
Where
You
Take
An
Egyptian
Mummy
And
You
Burn
Up
The
Cloth
And
You
Measure
The
Carbon
14
In
It
And
You
Get
The
Wrong
Answer
Unless
You
Assume
That
The
Rate
Of
Production
Then
Was
Different
From
What
It
Is
Today
Because
You
Know
What
The
Right
Answer
Is
From
The
Egyptian
Mummies
There's
A
Pretty
Good
Historical
Record
Of
That
So
It's
Clear
The
Sun
Is
Always
Changing
And
Over
The
Last
10,000
Years
Since
The
Last
Glacial
Maximum
There
Been
Many
Warmings
And
Coolings
Very
Large
Warmings
And
Coolings
And
That's
Particularly
Noticeable
Near
The
Arctic
You
Know
In
High
Latitudes
And
The
North
For
Example
My
Father's
Home
In
Scotland
I
Was
A
Kid
I
Would
Walk
Up
Into
The
Hill
South
Of
Edinburgh
And
You
Could
See
These
Farms
From
The
Year
1000
Where
People
Were
Able
To
Make
A
Crop
At
Altitudes
Where
You
Can't
Farm
Today
It
Was
It's
Too
Cold
Today
But
It
Was
Clearly
Warming
Up
In
The
Year
1000
Which
Was
The
Time
When
The
Norse
Farmed
Greenland
So
What
Caused
Those
It
Was
Not
People
Burning
Oil
And
Coal
You
Know
And
So
I
Think
The
Best
Guess
As
To
What
Was
Some
Slight
Difference
In
The
Way
The
Sun
Was
Shining
In
Those
Days
Because
They
Do
Correlate
With
The
Carbon
14
That's
Absolutely
Fascinating
Now
When
We
Have
Estimates
Like
Say
Of
The
Jurassic
Or
Any
Dinosaur
Age
Was
There
Is
There
Enough
Of
An
Understanding
Of
The
Differences
In
Temperatures
Back
Then
That
We
Know
Whether
Or
Not
They
Ever
Experienced
Ice
Ages
Oh
Yeah
So
We
Can
Go
Back
65
100
Million
Years
You
Can
Go
500
Million
Years
And
Evidence
Of
Ice
Ages
Absolutely
They
They
Have
Always
Been
An
Ice
Age
And
They
Don't
Correlate
Very
Well
With
CO2
You
Can
Also
Estimate
The
Past
CO2
Levels
And
They
Don't
Correlate
With
Ice
Ages
What
Special
About
The
Recent
Ice
Ages
Is
They
Pretty
Periodic
So
For
700
Thousand
Years
Almost
Every
Hundred
Thousand
Years
You
Have
A
Cycle
Wow
If
You
Go
Back
Further
Than
That
You
Begin
Seeing
That
Fall
Apart
And
For
About
Three
Million
Years
40
Thousand
Years
Is
The
Dominant
Period
And
Then
You
Go
Back
Further
Than
That
And
You
Don't
Have
Ice
Ages
For
A
Long
Time
Wow
Yeah
It
Understood
I
Would
Say
And
So
And
There's
Also
No
Way
To
Track
It
Like
There's
No
Way
To
Tell
What's
Going
To
Happen
To
The
Sun
They
Have
Some
Sort
Of
An
Understanding
Well
With
These
It's
Not
Clear
That
Solar
Activity
Was
The
Issue
Could
Have
Been
Many
Factors
Well
You
You
Have
Various
Factors
Determining
The
Orbit
Of
The
Earth
Versus
The
Sun
And
So
On
Give
You
Periodic
Changes
In
The
Incoming
Radiation
As
A
Function
Of
Geography
In
The
Earth
Joe
Let
Me
Add
Again
To
What
Dick
Has
Said
That
He
Correctly
Said
That
The
Current
Ice
Ages
Which
Are
Quasi
Periodic
Really
Only
Began
Three
Million
Years
Or
So
Ago
And
At
First
They
Were
Oscillating
A lot
Faster
Than
Today
And
That
Was
Approximately
The
Time
That
The
Isthmus
Of
Panama
Closed
So
One
Of
The
Suspicions
Is
That
When
The
Panama
Isthmus
Closed
And
Stopped
The
Circulation
Of
Water
From
The
Atlantic
To
The
Pacific
That
Made
A
Huge
Difference
In
The
Transport
Of
Heat
In
Things
Like
The
Gulf
Stream
For
example
The
Gulf
Stream
Would
Have
Been
Completely
Different
If
Water
Could
Have
Flown
Into
The
Pacific
Instead
Of
To
North
Europe
And
That
Was
About
The
Time
That
These
Fluctuating
Ice
Ages
Began
Wow
But
You
Know
We
Set
Back
The
Serious
Study
Of
Climate
I
Think
By
50
Years
By
This
Manic
Focus
On
CO2
If
Your
Theory
Doesn't
Have
CO2
In
It
Forget
It
You
Won't
Get
Funding
And
So
The
True
Answer
I
Mean
To
Me
You
Know
There
Was
A
Period
200
Years
Ago
When
Everyone
Thought
That
Heat
Was
Phlogiston
There
Was
This
Magic
Subject
You
Non
Existent
But
Everyone
Had
To
Believe
In
Phlogiston
And
It
Turned
Out
It
Was
Nonsense
It
Wasn't
There
At
All
But
You
Couldn't
Get
Anyone
To
Support
You
Unless
You
Believed
In
Phlogiston
So
I
Call
This
Phlogiston
Era
Of
Climate
Science
Where
Phlogiston
Is
CO2
You
Know
Well
This
Is
What
Confused
Me
You
Gentlemen
Are
Academics
You
Obviously
Very
Intelligent
People
There
Are
Very
Intelligent
People
That
Are
Involved
In
Academia
How
Does
This
Problem
Get
Solved
Like
How
Do
They
Start
Treating
This
As
What
It
Is
Instead
Of
Attaching
It
To
A
Political
Stance
Well
I
Think
Stopping
The
Funding
For
This
Massive
Funding
For
Climate
Would
Help
Because
It
Certainly
Been
Driven
Within
Academia
By
The
Availability
Of
Funds
If
You're
Willing
To
Support
The
Narrative
You
Will
Be
Handsomely
Rewarded
And
You'll
Be
Elected
To
Societies
You'll
Win
Prizes
And
You'll
Be
Shunned
Again
If
You
Don't
That's
Right
So
I
Think
For
Example
If
Some
Administration
In
Washington
Wants
To
Slow
This
Down
And
Get
Some
Sanity
They
Should
Cut
The
Funding
Or
They
Should
At
Least
Open
Up
The
Funding
To
Alternate
Theories
Of
What
Is
Controlling
Climate
Because
The
Theory
That
The
Control
Knob
Is
CO2
Doesn't
Work
It
Completely
Clear
It
Doesn't
Work
And
It
Just
Seems
So
Insane
That
If
We
Move
In
The
Same
Direction
And
We
As
You
Say
If
It
Really
Is
Holding
Back
Climate
Science
By
50
Years
That
That
That's
A
Travesty
Well
You
Know
Dick
Would
Have
Made
A
Lot
More
Progress
And
His
Colleagues
Would
Have
Made
A
Lot
More
Progress
If
They
Hadn't
Been
Forced
To
Deal
With
This
CO2
Cult
And
We
Might
Understand
Climate
Today
Without
That
There
Are
A
Lot
Of
Things
That
Are
Peculiar
About
Science
In
I
Mean
It
Isn't
Having
More
People
Work
On
Something
You
Want
To
Have
An
Environment
Where
There's
Freedom
Often
Think
I
Mean
Will
Is
Familiar
With
This
There's
A
Photograph
From
1929
Of
All
The
World's
Physicists
At
A
Solvay
Conference
This
Is
A
Golden
Age
Of
Physics
If
You
Quintupled
The
Number
Of
People
Working
On
Physics
Would
You
Have
Improved
The
Situation
I
Doubt
It
And
So
You
Know
I
Think
Freedom
Is
Much
More
Important
Than
Just
Piling
On
Here's
The
Photo
Yeah
You
Have
That
Great
There
They
Are
Not
Quite
It's
Not
The
Same
But
That's
Solvay
Conference
Absolutely
The
1929
Had
The
Curies
Well
Pierre
Might
Be
There
It's
Okay
Either
Way
I
Guess
Yeah
But
I
Mean
I
Wondered
At
Times
You
Know
When
You
Had
The
Soviet
Competition
With
The
U.S.
And
They
Were
The
First
Ones
Into
Space
And
We
Suddenly
Began
A
Program
To
Get
More
And
More
Kids
To
Get
Into
STEM
That
That
Has
Its
Downside
First
Of
All
You're
Going
To
Dilute
The
Field
If
You
Increase
It
Too
Much
And
The
Second
Thing
Is
With
Peer
Review
I
Mean
Peer
Review
Is
New
I
Mean
It
Wasn't
That
Common
Before
World
War
II
But
People
Have
Pointed
Out
It
Has
Its
Virtues
But
You
Know
You
Can
See
The
Royal
Meteorological
Society
For
Instance
Used
To
Give
You
Instructions
And
The
Instructions
Were
You
Can
Only
Reject
A
Paper
If
There
Is
A
Mathematical
Error
That
You
Can
Identify
Or
If
It
Is
Plagiarized
It
Is
Repeating
Something
That
Already
Exists
And
That
Was
Pretty
Fair
Because
How
Is
A
Reviewer
Supposed
To
Decide
If
A
New
Theory
Is
Right
Or
Not
Or
So
On
That
Is
As
Too
Much
Of
That
But
Today
Peer
Review
Is
Almost
A
Process
To
Enforce
Conformity
If
You're
Not
Going
With
The
Flow
You
Can
Get
Rejected
And
That
That's
A lot
Of
Things
Structurally
Need
To
Be
I
Think
Rethought
A
Little
Bit
The
Physicists
Have
Done
Pretty
Well
With
Archive
Where
They
They
They
They
They
They
Have
A
Public
Vehicle
Using
The
Internet
That
Bypasses
Reviews
And
Let's
People
Read
It
And
See
What's
Up
On
It
But
All
Sorts
Of
Things
Like
That
Need
To
Happen
I
Mean
What
Will
Is
Saying
Is
True
I
Am
Sure
I
Science
Of
Climate
Has
Been
Set
Back
At
Least
Two
Generations
By
This
Well
It
Just
Seems
Like
It's
Bad
For
Any
Kind
Of
Science
And
That
Open
Free
Discussion
And
Debating
Ideas
Based
On
Their
Merit
And
What
Data
You
Have
That's
What
It's
Supposed
To
Be
About
It's
Not
Supposed
To
To
Be
Attached
To
How
It
Can
Be
Separated
So
When
When
Did
It
Really
Become
A
Problem
Where
Ideology
Started
Invading
Into
Certain
Segments
Of
Science
Oh
It's
Happened
Many
Times
In
The
Past
Joe
Climate
Is
Only
The
Most
Recent
So
It's
Just
A
Natural
Thing
That
Happened
Well
For
Example
There
Was
The
Eugenics
Movement
In
America
And
Britain
And
Western
Europe
Where
The
Claim
Was
That
The
Great
Gene
Pool
Of
The
Anglo-Saxon
Race
Was
Being
Deluded
By
All
These
Low-Q
Italians
And
Eastern
European
Jews
And
It
Was
All
Completely
Nonsense
But
They
Had
Learned
Journals
Where
You
Could
Publish
An
Article
That
Proved
That
And
You
Had
The
Presidents
Of
Harvard
And
Stanford
And
Princeton
Alexander
Graham
Bell
Being
Great
Eugenicists
Protecting
The
American
Genome
And
It
Was
All
Nonsense
It
Just
Complete
Bullshit
And
Yet
And
The
Only
Thing
That
Stopped
It
Really
Was
The
Nazis
Because
They
Took
It
Over
With
A
Vengeance
You
Know
They
Were
Big
Fans
Of
The
Eugenic
Movement
In
America
And
Britain
And
They
Took
It
To
Its
Absurd
Extreme
They
Also
Gave
An
Honorary
Degree
To
The
Leading
Eugenicist
In
America
A
Man
Called
Laughlin
But
Oh
My
Goodness
No
I
Mean
What
Will
Is
Saying
I
Mean
It
Had
A
Practical
Consequence
By
The
Way
It
Actually
Led
To
The
Immigration
Restriction
Act
Of
1924
Which
Held
That
America
Was
Going
To
Restrict
Immigrants
To
Percentages
Based
On
The
Population
In
The
19th
Century
So
There
Would
Be
A
Quota
For
England
And
Scotland
Which
Was
Fine
A
Little
Bit
Less
For
Germany
Almost
Nothing
For
Eastern
Europe
Almost
Nothing
For
Italy
And
So
On
And
That
Was
Used
In
The
Run
Up
To
World
War
II
To
Allow
Roosevelt
To
Prevent
Jews
From
Escaping
Europe
Wow
And
It
Was
Only
Changed
In
1960
So
Essentially
You
Were
Keeping
Out
Jews
Eastern
Europeans
Chinese
Until
Then
Because
Of
Eugenics
In
1924
We
You
Know
The
Average
Person
That's
Not
Involved
In
Science
Always
Wants
To
Think
Of
Science
As
Being
This
Incredibly
Pure
Thing
Amongst
Intellectuals
Or
They're
Trying
To
Figure
Out
How
The
World
Works
When
You
Hear
Stories
Like
That
You
Hear
That
Kind
Of
Stuff
And
You
Just
Like
Oh
This
Has
Always
Been
A
Problem
You're
Dealing
With
People
Human
Beings
Yeah
That's
The
Problem
Right
That's
Getting
To
Yeah
Joe
Says
This
Famous
Quote
By
Emmanuelle
Kant
You
Know
From
The
Crooked
Timber
Of
Mankind
No
Straight
Thing
Was
Ever
Made
That
Goes
For
Science
As
Well
As
Every
Other
Aspect
Of
Human
Society
What
Could
Have
Been
Done
To
Protect
The
Scientific
Process
From
This
Sort
Of
An
Ideological
Invasion
Or
At
Least
Shelter
It
Some
To
Make
Sure
That
Something
Like
Eugenics
Doesn't
Ever
Get
Pushed
Or
Climates
Or
Any
The
Data
Well
The
Trouble
Is
You
Know
When
Something
Like
Eugenics
Comes
Around
The
Population
Is
Told
That
This
Is
Science
Right
And
How
Are
They
Going
To
Say
No
I
Mean
You
Had
Various
Famous
Laboratories
Devoted
To
This
And
It
Wasn't
A
Fringe
Thing
Right
And
So
I
Don't
Know
How
You
Distinguish
It
At
That
Time
From
Science
Today
There
Are
Books
On
It
And
You
Know
You
Have
The
Correspondence
Of
Biologists
Who
Are
Saying
Well
It's
A
Little
Bit
Dicey
But
They're
Saying
It's
It's
Bringing
It
To
The
Fore
Of
Public
Attention
So
Maybe
That's
A
Good
Thing
Hmm
Well
It
And
Eugenics
Continued
To
Progress
In
America
That's
Terrifying
Where
We
Would
Be
Today
Right
Right
We
Would
Have
Been
A
Much
Poorer
Country
Because
So
Many
Leading
Americans
You
Know
Creative
Productive
People
Have
Immigrated
You
Know
Fairly
Recently
They
Also
Probably
Would
Have
Led
To
Some
Horrific
Actions
In
Order
To
Enact
This
Yeah
I
Mean
When
You
Put
Things
In
The
Hands
Of
Politicians
There
Is
A
Disconnect
I
Mean
The
Business
With
Light
Bulbs
I
Mention
Right
It
Wasn't
Malice
Is
Ignorance
And
You
Combine
Ignorance
With
Power
And
You
Often
Get
Nonsense
And
The
Narrative
That
You
Doing
Something
Good
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah
Dick
Has
Often
Made
The
Point
Which
I
Agree
With
That
Politicians
And
Sort
Of
Society
Leaders
Are
The
Worst
In
Situations
Like
This
So
Ordinary
Person
Is
Often
A
Little
Bit
More
Skeptical
And
More
Reasonable
Yeah
So
For
Example
I
Like
To
Tease
Dick
Because
He's
A
Harvard
Grad
About
The
Salem
Witch
Trials
But
They
Were
Orchestrated
By
People
From
Harvard
You
Know
It
Was
Not
The
Common
People
Have
You
Ever
Read
Into
That
At
All
What
I
Looked
Looked
Into
It
Carefully
What
Do
You
Think
About
The
Ergot
Poisoning
Theory
Well
Does
It
Make
Sense
I
Don't
Know
Most
Of
The
Testimony
Was
From
Young
Women
About
The
Same
Age
As
Greta
Thunberg
By
The
Way
And
You
Know
They
Had
These
Visions
Of
The
Person
They
Were
Accused
Consorting
With
The
Devil
And
Doing
All
Sorts
Of
Scene
Things
And
That
Was
Accepted
As
Testimony
It
Was
Called
Spectral
Evidence
And
So
When
Finally
The
Trials
Were
Stopped
It
Wasn't
For
The
Right
Reason
Which
Is
That
There
Is
No
Such
Thing
As
Witches
You
Know
They
Were
Stopped
Because
Spectral
Evidence
Was
Shaky
It
Was
Being
Used
Against
The
Harvard
Judges
Themselves
At
That
Point
So
It
Was
Getting
Very
Dangerous
You
That
As
Well
About
The
Printing
Press
When
The
Printing
Press
Was
First
Devised
A
Lot
Of
People
Like
Oh
We're
Going
To
Get
So
Much
Knowledge
No
A
Lot
Of
The
Early
Books
Were
Like
How
To
Detect
Witches
Right
That's
Right
That's
Right
Malius
Maleficorum
You
Know
The
Hammer
Of
The
Evil
Doers
That
Was
The
First
Book
On
Witches
What
I
Read
About
Salem
Though
Was
That
They
Had
Core
Samples
That
Detected
A
Late
Frost
And
That
They
Believe
This
Late
Frost
Might
Have
Contributed
To
Ergot
Growth
Because
Apparently
That
Does
Happen
A
Lot
When
The
Plants
Grow
And
They
Freeze
And
Then
They
Get
Mold
On
Them
And
That
Mold
Could
Contain
Ergot
And
That
Has
LSD
Like
Properties
Which
Totally
Makes
Sense
If
They
Eating
LSD
Laced
Bread
And
They
Thought
Everybody
Was
A
Witch
But
Either
Way
Yeah
It
Took
I
Think
That's
A
Kinder
Explanation
Of
What
Happened
I'm
Less
Generous
Well
You
Know
More
About
The
Behind
The
Scenes
Yeah
I
Mean
People
I
Think
What
Will
Is
Saying
Is
There
Are
People
Who
Always
Want
To
Have
A
Chance
To
Do
In
Their
Neighbor
Yes
Sure
And
If
You
Can
Say
Your
Neighbors
A
Witch
People
Yeah
Yeah
That's
One
Of
The
Parts
Of
Orwell's
1984
That
Many
People
Forget
But
A
Big
Part
Of
That
Was
Every
Day
There
Was
Two
Minutes
Of
Hate
And
So
People
Seem
To
Have
This
Need
For
Hatred
You
Know
You
Have
To
Have
A
Part
Of
The
Day
Where
You
Can
Hate
Something
Or
Somebody
And
So
If
You're
Hating
CO2
At
Least
That's
Better
Than
Hating
Your
Neighbor
Well
If
You're
On
You're
Using
Up
A
Lot
More
Than
Two
Minutes
Of
Hate
Well
You
Know
But
Even
With
Political
Figures
I'm
Always
Surprised
I
Mean
Seems
Obvious
That
Any
Political
Figure
Who
Is
Exploiting
Hate
And
Fear
Probably
Does
Not
Mean
Well
And
Yet
We
Continually
Fall
For
And
Over
Again
Yeah
All
Of
And
You
Know
Other
Countries
Do
The
Same
Pattern
Oh
Yeah
That's
What's
Dark
It
Just
Seems
Like
We're
Terrified
Of
Being
Terrified
And
We
Want
Safety
And
We
Want
Someone
Comes
Along
And
Scares
The
Shit
Out
Of
Us
And
Vows
To
Protect
Us
Yep
Yeah
And
Children
Do
This
All
The
Time
Go
Into
A
Dark
Closet
And
Frighten
Yourself
Well
There
Is
Also
Terrible
Things
In
The
World
And
Terrible
People
In
The
World
But
When
You
Have
Just
Everything
Scares
The
Shit
Out
Of
Everybody
Everything
Is
The
End
Of
The
World
And
Climate
Being
One
Of
The
Key
Ones
That
I
Hear
All
The
Time
With
Young
People
In
Fact
There
Were
Some
Recent
Surveys
That
Not
To
Want
To
Have
Children
Not
To
Want
To
Continue
To
Have
No
Hope
For
The
Future
This
Is
Bizarre
And
Just
To
Live
In
Constant
Fear
Yeah
Of
One
Day
But
Meanwhile
Is
Anybody
Paying
Attention
All
These
Rich
People
Buying
Shoreline
Property
Yeah
Like
Do
You
Think
They're
Stupid
Do
You
Think
Jeff
Bezos
Is
A
Dumbass
Because
He's
Buying
These
Giant
Manches
Like
Right
On
The
Ocean
Like
You
Really
Think
The
Water
Is
Going
To
Raise
That
Much
How
Should
I
Put
It
I
Mean
You
Know
Even
The
People
Who
Are
Pushing
It
At
MIT
I
Mean
Buy
Houses
On
The
Shore
Obama
Did
He
Got
That
Beautiful
House
And
Martha's
Vineyard
It's
Like
If
You've
Looked
At
The
Timelines
I'm
Sure
You
Have
Like
Time
Lapse
Video
Of
The
Shoreline
From
Like
1980
All
The
Way
Up
To
2025
It
Doesn't
Move
I
Mean
It
Goes
A
Little
Bit
Malibu
And
There's
A
Lot
Of
They
Go
Back
Much
Further
Than
That
Yeah
Yeah
I
Think
Joe
It's
True
Sioux
Level
Is
Rising
It's
Different
At
Different
Shores
Because
The
Land
Is
Also
Rising
Sinking
But
It's
Not
Very
Much
And
It
Hasn't
Accelerated
The
There's
No
Evidence
That
Not
Changing
Very
Much
And
Wasn't
There
Like
An
Unprecedented
Amount
Of
Arctic
Ice
That's
Increased
Recently
That's
Right
Well
Yeah
I
Mean
That's
Always
Variable
Right
But
When
That
Happens
How
Come
That
Doesn't
Hit
The
News
If
The
Ice
Goes
Away
Then
It's
Going
To
Hit
The
News
Oh
My
God
Look
At
This
We
Lost
A
Chunk
The
Size
Of
Manhattan
And
Everybody
Freaks
Out
Well
We
Were
Supposed
To
Be
Ice
Free
20
Years
Ago
Yes
Yeah
No
You
No
Algrove
Was
Just
Off
By
A
Little
Bit
Give
Him
Some
Decades
That
Is
The
Point
That
I
Think
People
Have
Made
A
Test
Usually
Means
If
You
Fail
It
You've
Done
Something
Wrong
Yes
Only
In
Theology
Does
It
Mean
That
You
Change
The
Goals
Right
Right
Especially
When
You
Invented
Theology
Because
Climate
Is
Very
Much
Like
A
Religion
Or
At
Least
The
Adherence
To
It
Is
Very
Religious
Like
Or
I
Should
Say
Cult
Like
Right
Because
It's
Not
Like
There's
A
Higher
Power
Right
It's
Everyone's
Just
Terrified
And
You
Have
To
Change
Everything
You
Do
Now
Because
You're
Guilty
And
It
Used
To
Be
That
Like
The
Sign
Of
Virtue
Was
To
Have
An
Electric
Car
And
Then
Every
My
Favorite
Thing
Is
Going
Up
Behind
Teslas
Now
And
They
Have
Bumper
Stickers
To
Say
I
Bought
This
Before
Elon
Went
Crazy
So
Now
They
Don't
I
Mean
It's
Just
Everyone
Is
Trying
Trying
To
Figure
Out
What
They're
Supposed
To
Do
In
Order
To
Still
Be
Accepted
By
Their
Group
And
The
Climate
One
Is
One
That
If
You
Bring
It
Up
With
People
It's
Almost
Like
You're
Talking
About
Witches
Like
They
Want
To
Get
Out
Of
There
Like
If
You
Actually
Looked
At
Oh
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah
It's
A
Religious
It
Or
A
Cult
Like
Thing
Absolutely
And
They
Don't
Really
It's
Not
Like
They've
Studied
It
A
Lot
And
Yeah
It's
Really
Interesting
And
This
Is
Why
I
Think
That
We've
Got
To
Reduce
CO2
And
You
Have
Like
This
Informed
Discussion
With
Someone
Oh
Okay
So
When
Did
You
Start
Reading
About
This
What
Book
Was
That
And
Where
You
Did
See
This
And
You
See
That
And
Okay
And
You
Now
You
Have
An
In
Discussion
But
That's
Not
What
It's
Like
It's
Like
You
Bring
It
Up
And
They're
Like
Oh
God
Climate
Change
Is
Settled
Climate
Change
Is
Settled
Okay
You
Don't
Believe
Even
Bernie
When
I
Had
Him
On
When
He
Was
Talking
About
Climate
Change
Is
A
Giant
Problem
And
We
Started
Showing
The
Washington
Post
Thing
That
Says
That
This
Isn't
Something
That
We
Have
To
Act
On
Now
To
Save
Each
Other
It
Might
Be
Something
That
We're
Being
Fucked
With
And
That's
What
It
Seems
Like
To
Me
It's
Like
Well
The
Question
Is
Why
Does
He
Find
It
So
Enthusi
Why
Is
He
So
Enthusi
Wonderful
For
Funding
Yeah
I
Think
He's
Overall
A
Very
Good
Person
I
Really
Do
And
I
Think
He
Would
Been
A
Fascinating
President
But
I
Think
There
Are
Too
Many
Things
To
Concentrate
On
In
The
World
And
If
You
Really
Want
To
Do
A
Deep
Dive
Into
The
Actual
Science
Of
Climate
And
CO2
Impact
On
Climate
And
What
Actually
Causes
Us
To
Get
Warmer
Or
Colder
That's
A
Lot
Of
Work
It's
A
Lot
Of
Work
And
I
Don't
Know
If
The
Senator
Vermond
Has
Enough
Why
Does
It
Fit
In
The
Same
Damn
Pattern
Where
People
Get
Attached
To
An
Idea
Because
That
Idea
Is
Attached
To
Their
Ideology
You're
Hitting
On
A
Problem
And
I
Think
Will
Knows
This
As
Well
A
Lot
Of
This
Stuff
Is
Actually
Tough
Material
Yes
I
Mean
For
Instance
You
Know
The
Question
Of
What
Determines
The
Temperature
Difference
Between
The
Tropics
And
The
Pole
That's
Actually
Handled
In
A
Third
Year
Graduate
Course
You
Know
It
Deals
With
Hydrodynamic
Instability
Which
Is
A
Complicated
Subject
And
It's
A
Real
Problem
In
A
Field
It's
True
Throughout
Science
Where
You're
Trusting
People
To
Behave
I
Think
Decently
But
That
Material
Itself
Is
Not
Going
To
Be
Entirely
Accessible
To
Everyone
And
How
You
Deal
With
It
How
You
Approximate
It
The
Same
Is
True
With
Nuclear
Power
With
Other
Things
These
Are
Technical
Issues
They're
Not
Trivial
And
You're
Asking
In
A
Democratic
Society
For
People
To
Make
Decisions
It's
A
Tough
Issue
It
Involves
A
Certain
Amount
Of
Trust
And
What
We're
Describing
Is
A
Situation
Where
The
Trust
Is
Being
Violated
Yeah
There's
This
Nice
Rufshan
Proverb
That
Ronald
Reagan
Loves
So
Much
Trust
But
Verify
Yes
And
It's
Hard
To
Verify
You
Know
If
You're
An
Average
Citizen
Something
About
Climate
Right
That's
What's
So
Frustrating
About
This
Conversation
When
You
Have
It
With
People
That
Are
Indoctrinated
When
They're
Like
Climate
Change
Is
A
Giant
Issue
Like
There's
So
Many
Times
I've
Seen
They're
Very
Fun
YouTube
Speed
Videos
Where
They
Catch
People
At
These
Protests
And
Some
Joker
Just
Starts
Interviewing
Them
And
They
Clearly
Don't
Know
What
The
Hell
They're
Protesting
For
It's
Fascinating
That
You
Powerful
This
Thing
Has
Become
In
Our
Society
And
The
Fact
That
They've
Been
So
That
The
Powers
That
Be
Or
Whoever
Is
Involved
Has
Been
So
Successful
At
Pushing
This
Narrative
That
It's
Number
One
Of
The
Number
One
Anxieties
That
Young
People
Have
About
The
Future
In
A
Place
Where
We
May
Very
Well
Be
Involved
In
Wars
Like
But
The
War
Doesn't
Freak
Them
Out
As
Much
As
Being
Involved
In
A
Climate
Emergency
How
Dare
You
Right
There
You
Notice
How
Quickly
She
Changed
She
Flipped
Up
Now
It's
Palestine
You
Gotta
Mix
It
Up
People
Get
Bored
With
The
Climate
You
Gotta
Listen
You
Keep
It
Moving
She
An
Entertainer
Well
She
Had
A
Very
Unfortunate
Experience
With
That
Blockade
In
Israel
So
Maybe
She
Out
Of
The
Business
Now
But
I
Doubt
It
But
When
You
Taking
A
16
Year
Old
Kid
And
Having
Her
As
A
Face
Of
Climate
Change
Like
And
As
You
Said
This
Is
Something
Insanely
Difficult
To
Digest
For
The
Average
Person
You
Know
She
Doesn't
Have
This
Data
Or
Fingertips
It
Is
Not
Just
Digest
I
Mean
It
Is
How
Many
People
Can
Solve
Partial
Differential
Equations
I
Mean
This
Is
One
Of
The
Complaints
I
Have
Which
Is
Sort
Of
Odd
People
Blame
This
On
Models
And
What
The
Models
Are
Doing
Is
They
Taking
The
Equations
Of
Fluid
Mechanics
Something
Called
The
Navier
Stokes
Equation
And
They
Doing
It
By
Dividing
It
Into
Discrete
Intervals
And
Seeing
How
Things
Change
With
Distance
And
Time
And
So
On
And
One
Of
The
Things
That
We
Know
Is
No
One
Has
Ever
Proven
That
This
Actually
Leads
To
The
Solution
But
It's
Used
For
Weather
Forecasting
And
All
Sons
Of
Things
And
So
On
At
Any
Right
They
Do
This
And
They
Do
I
Think
Many
Of
The
People
Doing
It
Are
Doing
It
Carefully
Or
As
Carefully
As
They
Can
And
They
Get
Answers
That
Will
Often
Be
Wrong
But
As
Best
I
Can
Tell
None
Of
These
Models
Predict
Catastrophe
Kunin
Made
The
Point
I
Think
Correctly
That
Even
With
The
UN
Models
You're
Talking
About
A
3%
Reduction
In
National
Product
Or
Gross
Product
By
2100
That's
Not
A
Great
Deal
It's
Not
The
End
Of
The
Earth
You're
Already
Much
Richer
Than
You
Are
Today
So
What
What's
The
Panic
And
It's
True
The
Models
Don't
Give
You
Anything
To
Be
That
Panicked
Over
So
The
Politicians
And
The
Environmentalists
Invent
Extreme
Descriptions
That
Actually
Don't
Have
Much
To
Do
With
The
Models
But
They
Blame
The
Models
So
You
Know
It's
It's
A
Confusing
Situation
The
Models
Have
A
Use
They
Just
Shouldn't
Be
Used
To
Predict
Exactly
What
The
Future
Is
You
Can
Use
Them
To
See
What
Interacts
With
What
And
Study
It
Further
Joe
Let
Me
Just
Say
A
Little
More
About
What
Dick
Commented
On
Navier
Stokes
Equation
Which
Describes
Fluid
Motion
The
Atmosphere
The
Oceans
And
It
Really
Is
A
Very
Hard
Mathematical
Problem
To
Solve
Because
They're
Not
Only
Partial
Differential
Equations
They're
What
Are
Called
Nonlinear
Partial
Differential
Equations
And
And
So
There's
A
Joke
About
Werner
Heisenberg
Who
Was
The
Inventor
Of
Quantum
Mechanics
A
Very
Bright
Guy
And
He
Was
The
Head
Of
The
Nazi
Atomic
Bomb
Program
During
World
War
II
And
So
He
Was
Captured
By
The
Americans
And
The
British
And
Because
Of
This
Activity
Was
Forbidden
To
Work
On
Nuclear
Physics
Later
You
Know
After
The
Victory
And
So
He
Decided
To
Work
On
Fluid
Mechanics
On
Solving
The
Navier
Stokes
Equation
And
He
Was
A
Tremendously
Talented
Physicist
And
But
He
Found
It
Very
Hard
He
Didn't
Make
Very
Much
Progress
Because
It's
Much
Harder
Than
Quantum
Mechanics
Or
Much
Harder
Than
Relativity
To
Solve
Those
Equations
And
So
One
Of
His
Students
Supposedly
Said
To
Him
Well
You
Know
Professor
Heisenberg
They
Say
That
If
You
Been
A
Good
Physicist
When
You
Die
And
You
Go
To
Heaven
That
The
Almighty
Allows
You
To
Ask
Two
Questions
And
He
Will
Answer
Any
Question
You
Ask
And
What
Will
You
Ask
Him
And
Heisenberg
Supposedly
Said
Well
I
Will
Ask
Him
Why
General
Relativity
And
Why
Turbulence
Turbulence
Is
The
Navier
Stokes
Equation
He
Says
And
I
Think
He
Will
Be
Able
To
Answer
The
First
One
That's
Funny
That's
Funny
And
This
Is
What's
You
Know
The
Best
Assumption
Of
The
Best
Measurements
Of
What's
Controlling
The
Temperature
On
Earth
Well
You
Know
They're
Asking
You
To
Have
Great
Confidence
In
A
Calculation
Involving
This
Miserable
Equation
That
Is
So
Hard
To
Solve
At
Least
Very
Far
Into
The
Future
You
Can
Solve
It
For
A
Short
Time
But
It's
Very
Hard
To
Go
Much
Further
One
Of
Dick's
Colleagues
At
MIT
A
Man
Named
Lorenz
Why
Don't
You
Tell
Them
About
Lorenz
Well
No
Lorenz
Is
Credited
With
Chaos
Theory
But
Basically
It's
A
Statement
That
These
Are
Not
Predictable
Whether
That's
True
Or
Not
Is
Still
An
Open
Question
But
It
Has
A
Lot
Of
Those
Characteristics
And
Detail
I
Mean
You
Know
For
Instance
It
Wouldn't
Be
A
Surprise
If
You're
Looking
At
A
Bubbling
Brook
And
You
Have
All
Those
Little
Eddies
And
So
On
Are
You
Actually
Able
To
Track
The
Whole
Thing
Accurately
Probably
Not
How
Accurately
Would
You
Have
To
Do
It
If
You
Scaled
It
Up
To
Climate
Who
Knows
Yeah
The
Typical
Description
Of
This
Theory
Was
That
It's
As
Though
A
Butterfly
Flapping
Its
Wings
In
The
Gulf
Of
Alaska
Causes
Hurricanes
Two
Years
Later
In
Florida
Yeah
That
One's
Funny
Yeah
People
Repeat
That
And
They're
Like
No
That's
Not
How
It
Works
At
All
I
Don't
Think
It
Of
It's
Funny
What
It
Does
What
I
Think
He
Meant
Was
Rather
Simpler
Than
That
You
Know
The
Hurricane
Is
Likely
To
Occur
The
Flipping
Of
A
Butterfly's
Wings
Might
Have
Actually
Changed
It
From
One
Day
To
Another
It
Wouldn't
It
Would
Have
An
Influence
Downstream
Everything
Everything
Has
An
Influence
Everything
Is
Tied
In
Together
Now
When
We
Make
Models
Based
On
Incorrect
Data
About
Like
CO2
Levels
And
What
The
Temperature
In
The
Future
Is
Going
To
Look
Like
At
What
Point
In
Time
Do
You
Think
Another
Country
Needs
To
Screw
Up
The
Same
Way
Nazi
Germany
Ran
With
Eugenics
And
It
Ruined
Eugenics
In
United
States
Where
They
Like
Oh
My
Take
This
Climate
Change
Green
Energy
Thing
To
Its
Full
End
You
Think
So
I
Think
That's
How
It
Will
End
Yes
I
Think
Britain
Or
Germany
May
Be
The
Sacrificial
Country
Because
Germany
Has
Shut
Off
A
Couple
Of
Their
Nuclear
Power
Plants
Correct
Right
All
Of
Their
Nuclear
Power
Plans
Oh
God
And
They
Did
It
All
For
Green
Energy
That
Makes
No
Sense
Well
I
Think
They
Did
Because
Of
The
Fukushima
Thing
And
Because
The
Green
Party
Is
So
Powerful
In
Germany
And
They
Not
Only
Turned
Off
Their
Plants
And
Not
Nuclear
And
Coal
As
Well
But
They
Blew
A
Lot
Of
Them
Up
You
Know
You
See
These
Pictures
Of
The
Plants
You
Know
Being
Blown
Up
By
Dynamite
Just
To
Make
Sure
That
Nobody
Restarts
Them
So
They
Fanatics
Oh
My
God
They
Real
Fanatics
Yeah
That
So
Crazy
Yeah
Yeah
And
So
At
Some
Point
Some
Country
Like
Germany
They
Will
Lose
All
Their
Jobs
All
The
Industry
Will
Move
There
Will
Be
No
Jobs
People
Will
All
Be
On
Welfare
There
Is
No
Money
To
Pay
Them
And
At
That
Point
Someone
Will
Realize
You
Know
We
Have
Taken
A
Wrong
Turn
Here
I
Can
Believe
They
Blew
Their
Plants
Up
That
Is
Nuts
And
What
Are
They
Replacing
With
Right
Now
You
Have
Russian
Gas
Windmill
Windmills
Yeah
Imported
You're
Right
They're
Importing
Muscle
Fuels
And
Importing
Electricity
From
France
Which
Still
Has
A
Large
Nuclear
Power
Base
But
How
Is
Germany
So
Smart
And
So
Dumb
At
The
Same
Time
Because
They
Have
Tremendous
Engineers
They
Make
Some
Of
The
Best
Automobiles
Ever
They
In
Hungary
But
That's
A
Profound
Question
Is
How
Is
It
This
Country
Of
Poets
And
Philosophers
Had
The
Nazis
Had
The
Nazis
Exactly
Dietrich
Bonhoeffer
Was
One
Of
The
Few
German
Theologians
Who
Had
The
Courage
To
Remain
In
Nazi
Germany
He
Was
Invited
To
Come
To
The
U.S.
But
He
Said
I'm
Going
To
Stay
With
My
People
And
He
Was
Eventually
Hung
By
The
Nazis
He
Life
But
He
Had
This
Theory
That
It
Was
Stupidity
And
It's
A
Very
Interesting
Theory
If
You
Look
On
The
Internet
You
Can
Read
About
Bonhoeffer's
Theory
Of
Stupidity
But
But
He
His
View
Was
That
All
Of
These
Nazi
Supporters
They
Didn't
Really
Believe
In
It
All
They
Were
Just
Dumb
You
Know
It's
Hard
For
Me
When
I
First
Read
About
This
I
Couldn't
Believe
It
But
The
More
I
Look
At
It
I
Think
That
Every
Nation
Has
The
Problem
That
Most
Of
Us
Are
Pretty
Stupid
There's
A
Large
Percentage
Of
Us
Believe
Almost
Anything
Right
And
We
Could
Point
To
A
Lot
Of
Things
That
Are
Subjects
In
The
Zeitgeist
Right
Now
People
Wholeheartedly
Believe
In
That
Make
Zero
Sense
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah
They
Could
Go
With
That
And
You
Would
Go
Okay
There's
There's
Some
Part
Of
This
Has
To
Be
Attributed
To
Low
Intelligence
So
Like
What
Percentage
Of
People
In
This
Country
Are
Incapable
Of
Thinking
For
Themselves
And
It's
Not
A
Small
Number
Maybe
It's
10
Maybe
It's
20
Whatever
Percentage
It's
Enough
Where
It's
A
Giant
Problem
That's
One
Thing
But
Also
Intelligence
Itself
Is
A
Complex
Issue
There
Are
People
Who
Like
Us
May
Be
Idiot
Savants
There
Are
Things
That
We
Can
Do
Very
Well
And
Other
Things
We
Don't
Yeah
Absolutely
I
Sign
Of
Almost
Any
Great
Person
At
Anything
Yeah
There's
Usually
Are
In
Their
Life
Where
They're
Just
Completely
Lacking
Whether
It's
Hygiene
Or
Relationships
Or
What
They're
Obsessed
By
What
They
Do
And
That's
Why
They're
Great
At
What
They
Do
You
Know
Look
There
Are
Great
Writers
Who
Can't
Do
Arithmetic
Right
I
Don't
Know
Where
You
Put
Them
In
That
Category
Right
Well
And
There's
Great
Physical
Athletes
That
They
Have
An
Intelligence
Of
Moving
Their
Body
In
A
Way
That
They
Understand
Things
At
A
Much
Higher
Level
Than
Anybody
Else
That
Does
Whatever
Their
Athletic
Pursuit
Is
They
Probably
Wouldn't
Do
That
Well
On
ACT
Test
Doesn't
Mean
That
They're
Not
Intelligent
It's
Just
It's
A
Different
Kind
Of
Intelligence
Yeah
And
That
Makes
The
World
A
More
Interesting
Place
By
Large
It
Really
Does
But
What's
Scary
Is
When
You
Count
On
The
People
That
Are
Supposed
To
Be
The
People
That
Are
Obsessed
And
Studying
This
One
Thing
Like
This
Climate
Change
Emergency
That
We're
Supposed
To
Be
Under
And
Then
You
Find
Out
Oh
Wait
A
Minute
This
Is
Not
This
Isn't
Like
An
Exact
Science
Oh
We
Started
With
Gore
Right
And
Gore
Flunked
Out
Of
Harvard
Did
He
Yeah
And
His
Father
Who
Was
A
Senator
Got
Him
Back
In
I
Was
Teaching
There
At
The
Time
Oh
Really
And
The
Person
He
Attributes
His
Awareness
Of
CO2
To
Roger
Revelle
Was
Teaching
A
Sort
Of
Science
For
Poets
Course
And
He
Got
A
D
Minus
In
It
Is
He
Made
The
Most
Money
Off
Of
This
Because
He's
Made
A
Lot
Of
Money
Off
He's
Made
A
Few
Hundred
Million
I
Don't
Know
These
Days
Still
There
Is
A
Very
Clear
Motivation
To
Keep
That
Graph
Going
You
Know
It's
Especially
Now
With
Social
Media
There's
So
Many
People
That
Like
We
Were
Talking
About
Greta
Thunberg
I
Mean
I
Don't
Know
What
Her
Motivations
Are
But
I
Do
Know
That
There's
A
Lot
Of
People
Out
There
That
Have
Large
Social
Media
Money
In
That
And
There's
A
Lot
Of
Power
In
Wielding
That
Influence
And
To
Do
So
Then
Just
Hop
On
Any
Bandwagon
That
Comes
Along
And
Not
Really
Know
What
You're
Talking
About
Is
It's
It's
A
Real
Problem
That
We
Have
In
Society
Today
And
And
It's
In
A
Way
A
New
Problem
Given
Social
Media
Yeah
The
Social
Media
Aspect
Of
It
Is
A
New
Problem
Another
New
Problem
Is
AI
And
Fakes
Like
You
See
Fake
Videos
And
Fake
News
Stories
And
Fake
Articles
And
It's
Like
It
Takes
Time
To
Pay
Attention
To
What's
Real
And
What's
Not
Real
Today
And
So
If
Somebody
Wanted
To
Push
Any
Kind
Of
A
Narrative
About
Anything
Especially
Climate
Change
You
Could
Scare
The
Shit
Out
Of
Somebody
Very
Quickly
With
A
Nice
Video
And
It
Doesn't
Even
Have
To
Be
Real
Well
That
Was
The
Reason
For
Extreme
Weather
Being
Chosen
I
Mean
It's
Interesting
For
Quite
A
Few
Years
The
Climate
Issue
Was
Temperature
And
You
Have
Noticed
The
Last
15
20
Years
It's
Extreme
Weather
Right
And
That
Shows
That
You
Know
It
Was
Fake
Because
It's
Trivial
I
Mean
If
You
Looked
It
Up
The
Average
Month
There
Are
Four
Or
Five
Extreme
Events
Someplace
In
That
Month
That
Are
Once
In
A
Hundred
Year
Events
So
Each
Of
Them
Makes
For
A
Good
Video
And
You
Have
Four
Or
Five
A
Month
And
They
Each
Only
Oneness
In
A
Hundred
Years
And
People
Aren't
Putting
It
Together
That
You
Know
Once
In
A
Hundred
Year
Events
Occurring
Four
Five
Times
A
Month
But
You
Know
You
Always
Have
A
Picture
Of
A
Flood
Some
Place
Or
A
Rise
Or
This
Or
That
And
Those
Are
Used
To
Scare
People
It
Got
Harder
And
Harder
To
Scare
People
With
Numbers
Right
It's
Extreme
Weather
Events
That's
What
I
Keep
Hearing
The
Hurricanes
Are
Getting
Stronger
They're
Getting
More
Frequent
And
They
Repeat
That
And
I
Don't
Think
That's
Necessarily
True
No
No
For
Years
The
IPCC
The
Intergovernmental
Panel
On
Climate
Change
Of
The
UN
Was
Honestly
Saying
They
Could
Find
No
Evidence
That
These
Were
Related
The
Last
One
They
Had
To
Say
Something
Because
The
Politicians
Control
Was
In
The
IPCC
See
But
Even
With
That
They
Were
Saying
No
And
That
Had
Nothing
To
Do
With
The
Public
Relations
Said
To
Hell
With
It
Even
If
There's
No
Relation
We'll
Say
There
Is
Because
That
Gives
Us
Visuals
God
Now
When
People
Like
Bill Gates
Are
Talking
About
Putting
Reflective
Particles
In
The
Atmosphere
To
Cool
Off
The
Earth
And
Protect
Us
From
The
Sun's
Rays
Like
Where
Is
All
That
Coming
From
Especially
If
Like
You
Would
Imagine
I
Think
Will
Said
It
Comes
From
Dumbness
I'm
Sure
But
But
Even
Proposing
Something
Like
That
Should
Have
The
Whole
World
Up
In
Arms
Like
Hey
A
Few
People
Can't
Make
A
Decision
That
Will
Literally
Impact
The
Entire
World
And
Possibly
Trigger
A
Catastrophic
Drop
In
Temperature
That
Kills
Us
All
Yeah
Why
Because
You
Made
Microsoft
Like
Why
Do
You
Get
To
Do
This
That
Seems
Like
Something
You
Would
Have
To
Have
The
Whole
World
Vote
On
And
They
Would
Have
To
Be
Like
Really
Well
Informed
About
What
The
Consequences
Of
This
Going
Wrong
Could
Be
Well
I'd
Have
I
Have
To
Hope
That
Most
Of
The
World
Agrees
With
You
And
Me
And
That
Bill
Gates
Will
Never
Be
Permitted
To
Do
Something
Like
That
The
Fear
Is
That
Someone
Would
Let
Them
Know
The
Fear
Is
That
A
Country
Would
Let
Them
You
Get
The
Right
Politicians
In
Place
And
The
Right
Fear
Mongering
In
Place
And
You
Let
Them
Try
Or
You
Let
Somebody
Try
And
These
People
That
Do
Try
Get
Large
Grants
And
They
Are
Making
A
Lot
Of
Money
To
Do
This
And
That
What
Scares
The
Shit
Out
Of
Me
That
This
Could
Be
A
Way
That
People
Could
Try
Something
Out
On
The
Whole
World
That
Could
Be
Catastrophic
Well
Have
To
Get
Up
To
The
Stratosphere
To
Mimic
A
Large
Stratovolcano
Yeah
You
Know
Even
Bill Gates
Probably
Can't
Afford
That
And
Not
Sure
The
U.S.
Treasurer
Could
Either
So
It
Just
Theoretical
At
This
Point
Yeah
I
Think
You
Know
It's
An
Interesting
Thing
You
You
Point
That
Someone
Like
Gates
Has
Delusions
Of
Grandeur
Based
On
The
Fact
That
He
Fabulously
Wealthy
Yeah
That
Particular
Approach
Probably
Is
Not
Going
To
Be
As
Dangerous
As
You
Think
It
Won't
Work
It
Won't
Work
Yeah
Well
It's
Just
The
Idea
That
Someone
Would
Even
Propose
Something
Like
That
Based
On
What
You
Gentlemen
Have
Discussed
So
Far
Today
No
Your
Point
Is
Right
I
Mean
You
Have
People
Who
Have
The
Means
To
Try
Things
And
They're
Getting
A
Free
Ride
On
Yes
That's
The
Thing
They're
Getting
A
Lot
Of
Money
To
Implement
These
Changes
That's
Why
These
Green
New
Deals
And
These
Green
Energy
Initiatives
And
All
These
Green
Things
People
Have
To
Understand
Why
Are
You
Hearing
About
This
All
The
Time
Because
It's
There's
A
PR
Campaign
It's
A
PR
Campaign
For
A
Group
Of
People
That
Are
Trying
To
Make
A
Lot
Of
Money
That's
What
This
Is
All
About
And
The
More
You
Get
On
Board
The
More
Money
They
Can
Get
Politicians
To
Spend
On
This
Stuff
And
The
More
Money
These
Companies
Make
And
The
Whole
Thing
Is
About
Money
Much
Of
It
Is
Money
They're
Not
Really
Worried
About
You
That's
What
You
Have
To
Understand
If
They
Ever
Say
That
They're
Worried
About
Your
Future
For
The
Betterment
Of
Our
People
We
Have
To
Make
Sure
That
Everybody
Is
Okay
We
Got
To
Protect
The
Climate
They
Don't
Care
That's
Not
Real
What
They
Really
Want
To
Do
Is
Make
Sure
A
Lot
Of
Money
Comes
In
And
If
A
Lot
Of
Money
Coming
In
Is
Dependent
Upon
Them
Scaring
The
Shit
Out
Of
You
That's
What
They
Lean
Towards
And
You
Know
Money
And
It's
Transferability
And
Fungibility
It's
Influence
It's
Feedbacks
It's
Yes
Yeah
But
That's
Always
Been
True
Yes
Joel
Let
Me
Bring
Up
Another
Targeted
Group
And
That
Is
Farmers
And
Ranchers
You
Know
Because
Of
Their
Supposed
Contribution
To
Greenhouse
Warming
Just
A
Couple
Years
Ago
I
Was
Invited
To
Come
Down
To
Paraguay
By
Some
Farmers
There
Who
Were
Worried
About
The
Upcoming
Climate
Talks
And
The
Persian
Gulf
And
The
European
Bankers
Were
Demanding
That
Paraguay
Turn
Most
Of
Its
Ranch
Land
Back
Into
Forest
You
Know
To
Save
The
Planet
And
Otherwise
They
Wouldn't
Give
Loans
To
Paraguay
And
So
The
Ranchers
Were
Worried
That
They
Were
Going
To
Be
Put
Out
Of
Business
And
Their
Families
Put
Out
Of
Business
And
So
I
Was
There
For
A
Week
And
I
Talked
To
The
President
And
Luckily
Luckily
It
Turned
Out
They
Had
A
Very
Sensible
President
And
He
Didn't
Need
Me
To
Recognize
It
Was
Nonsense
And
But
He
Was
I
Think
Grateful
To
Have
Someone
With
A
Science
Background
Confirm
His
Suspicion
That
It
Was
All
Nonsense
So
He
Went
To
The
Conference
And
Basically
Told
The
Bankers
You
Know
To
Go
To
Hell
And
They
Didn't
Pull
The
Funding
Out
Of
Paraguay
So
There
Were
No
Consequences
And
The
Ranchers
Did
Not
Suffer
But
You
Know
Everybody
Is
Under
The
Gun
But
There
Were
Consequences
In
Ireland
Yeah
Yes
They
Had
To
Kill
Half
Their
Cattle
Yeah
Which
Is
Nonsense
Total
Nonsense
And
Insane
And
If
You
Pay
Attention
To
What
Regenerative
Farmers
Will
Tell
You
Is
That
Like
If
You
Do
It
Correctly
There
Is
The
It
It
It
It's
Actually
Carbon
Neutral
At
Least
Carbon
Neutral
And
Possibly
Contribute
It's
Like
The
Whole
Thing
Is
Nature
This
Is
How
It's
All
Set
Up
Animals
Eat
Grass
They
Poop
Manure
Manure
Fertilizes
The
Plants
It's
All
Real
Simple
It's
Kill
Us
All
We
Need
To
Kill
All
The
Cows
Like
Who
Are
You
Like
Who
Saying
This
How
Did
You
Get
To
Talk
Like
This
Is
How
Did
You
Get
To
Kill
Half
Their
Cows
Like
You
Should
Go
To
Jail
They
Should
Go
To
Jail
You're
So
Stupid
You're
Criminally
Stupid
You
Like
Getting
You
To
Kill
Half
Your
Cows
So
That
You
Have
A
Less
High
Methane
Count
You're
Releasing
From
Your
Organization
I
Mean
You
Know
Will
Has
Worked
On
This
And
Others
But
You
Know
The
Methane
Thing
Is
An
Example
Of
Enumeracy
In
Other
Words
What
They
Argue
Is
That
A
Molecule
Of
Methane
Has
More
Greenhouse
Potential
Than
A
Molecule
Of
CO2
And
So
Cutting
Back
Methane
Will
Have
A
Big
Effect
But
There's
So
Little
Methane
In
The
Atmosphere
They
Got
Rid
Of
All
Of
It
Would
Have
Almost
No
Effect
Compared
To
CO2
And
You
Know
Somehow
That
Step
In
The
Arithmetic
Gets
Lost
Yeah
Simple
Arithmetic
They
Just
Can't
Do
Simple
Arithmetic
Yeah
It's
Just
Weird
How
These
Narratives
Become
So
Prominent
In
Social
Media
It's
Really
Weird
How
Things
Like
CO2
Become
This
Mantra
That
Everybody
Chants
It
Seems
Very
Coordinated
And
Actually
Kind
Of
Impressive
That
They've
Managed
To
Silence
Questioning
Scientists
And
Really
Put
The
Fear
Of
God
Into
People
That
Read
Things
And
Don't
Agree
With
It
It
It
Began
Right
At
The
Beginning
Of
The
Issue
As
I
Was
Mentioning
I
Mean
Already
By
1989
Science
Magazine
Was
Let
Me
In fact
One
Of
The
Ironies
With
Science
Magazine
Which
Is
You
Know
Important
Magazine
It
Had
An
Editor
Who
Was
Marsha
McNutt
Who
Actually
Had
An
Op
Ed
Appear
In
Science
Magazine
Saying
She
Would
Not
Accept
Any
Article
That
Questioned
This
Wow
And
You
Know
What
Her
Reward
Was
She
Became
President
Of
The
National
Academy
Of
Science
She
Was
A
Good
Girl
Yeah
Follow
The
Rules
Yeah
But
You
About
Forbidding
Questioning
It
Is
Just
Unbelievable
I
When
I
Was
A
Young
Man
My
First
Job
Was
At
Columbia
And
The
Grand
Old
Man
There
Was
Robbie
Robbie
I
Robbie
And
Robbie
Came
From
Eastern
European
Jewish
Family
And
His
Mother
Had
A
Very
Poor
Education
But
She
Was
Determined
That
He
Would
Get
A
Good
Education
And
So
He
Would
Always
Tell
Me
You
When
I
Would
Go
Home
From
School
Every
Day
My
Mother
Wouldn't
Ask
Me
What
Did
You
Learn
Today
In
School
Is
He
She
Called
Him
Is
Is
Is
Is
Or
And
He
Would
Tell her
And
Then
She
Would
Say
And
Did
You
Ask
A
Good
Question
Today
So
So
So
So
He
Said
She
Was
Really
More
Interested
In
Whether
He
Had
Asked
A
Good
Question
Which
Would
Mean
That
The
Wheels
Were
Turning
In
His
Head
Than
Whether
He
Had
Memorized
Something
And
I
Always
Took
That
To
Heart
I
Think
That
Was
A
Very
Wise
Mother
And
He
Turned
Out
Very
Well
As
A
Result
Do
You
Think
There's
More
Uniformity
In
Thinking
In
Academia
Now
With
The
Pressure
Of
Social
Media
And
The
Pressure
Of
These
Echo
Chambers
That
People
Find
Them
So
That's
Terrible
Because
You
Know
You
Thought
With
The
Internet
One
Of
The
Internet
Is
A
Balanced
Resource
Of
Information
You're
Going
To
Have
The
Answers
To
Any
Questions
You
Want
And
We'll
Be
Able
To
Sort
Out
What's
True
And
What's
Not
True
Nobody
Took
Into
Account
Echo
Chambers
And
Then
Ideology
Being
Attached
To
Science
That's
Right
Now
I
Mean
The
Internet
Not
Surprisingly
Was
An
Unpredictable
Phenomenon
Yes
Completely
Yeah
I
Mean
You
You
Saw
It
But
Well
You're
Seeing
It
Yourself
I
Mean
You
Have
Media
They
Were
Looking
For
A
Hundred
Thousand
Subscribers
With
The
Internet
You're
Dealing
With
Millions
And
That's
Considered
Small
In
Some
Cases
Yeah
There's
People
Like
Mr.
Beast
Some
Fun
Guy
On
YouTube
That
I
Think
He
Has
What
Does
He
Have
A
Hundred
How
Many
Million
Subscribers
Does
He
Have
Something
Insane
Way
Bigger
Than
Any
Television
Show
That
Ever
Existed
Before
Yeah
Nobody
Saw
It
Coming
Did
It
On
His
Own
Yeah
It's
It's
A
Weird
Time
And
Then
There's
A
Lack
Of
Trust
In
Mainstream
Media
Which
Is
Also
Deserved
Right
Also
Deserved
That's
A
Problem
As
Well
And
When
You
See
Mainstream
Media
Also
Going
Along
With
All
These
Climate
Change
Ideologies
And
All
These
Different
Things
That
Are
Attached
To
The
Narrative
That
You're
Not
Allowed
To
Deviate
From
It's
Just
It
Gets
Very
Frustrating
Yeah
I mean
I'm
Not
Sure
About
This
But
My
Recollection
Was
As
A
Kid
In
New
York
That
You
Had
Newspapers
Like
The
New
York
Times
That
Were
Always
Sort
Of
Center
Right
Left
But
You
And
They
Differed
In
Their
Coverage
But
On
The
Whole
They
Covered
The
Same
News
If
Something
Happened
It
Would
Appear
In
Both
I
Realize
In
Retrospect
That
Wasn't
Always
True
But
Today
I
Have
The
Feeling
That
If
I
Look
At
The
Post
In
New
York
Or
The
New
York
Times
I'm
Looking
At
Two
Different
Worlds
Right
And
There's
Something
Wrong
With
That
Very
Yes
I'm
Very
Wrong
With
It
And
I
Don't
I
Don't
Know
What
The
Answer
Is
To
How
To
Solve
It
Or
If
Those
Things
Need
To
Just
Go
Away
And
Independent
Media
Needs
To
Replace
Them
But
You're
You're
Seeing
A
Massive
Dissolving
Of
Trust
In
These
Main
Like
When I
Was
A
Kid
I
Used
To
Deliver
The
New
York
Times
And
I
Delivered
The
Boston
Globe
But
I
Delivered
The
New
York
Times
As
Well
Because
It
Was
Prestigious
I
Thought
It
Was
Cool
To
Deliver
The
New
York
Times
And
It
Was
A
Long
Route
I
Had
It
Was
A
Lot
Longer
Than
My
Boston
Did
You
Have
To
Glover
On
Sunday
As
Well
Yes
I
Did
Yes
I
Did
But
Fortunately
The
Ads
Didn't
Work
So
They
Didn't
Get
A
Big
Thick
Ad
Chunk
Like
You
Do
With
The
Boston
Globe
Because
It
Is
Like
Local
Ads
But
The
Point
Being
Is
It
Like
It
Was
It
Was
The
Paper
Of
Record
And
Now
Today
It's
Just
Another
Blog
It
Just
Like
It's
An
Ideologically
Captured
Online
Blog
That's
Very
Left
Leaning
I
Think
People
Have
Pointed
Out
The
Correct
Reason
For
That
The
End
Of
The
Classified
Ads
Yeah
They
Used
To
Have
To
Satisfy
The
People
Paying
For
Ads
Right
Now
They
Have
To
Satisfy
Their
Readers
And
So
The
Readers
Only
Want
To
Hear
One
Thing
Yeah
Yeah
It's
A
Real
Problem
It's
A
Real
Problem
But
I
Guess
Just
Like
All
Things
That
Happen
There
Will
Be
Some
Sort
Of
A
Course
Correction
Or
Some
New
Players
Will
Enter
In
And
It
Was
You
Know
It
Would
Be
Fine
If
The
Newspapers
Took
Different
Positions
But
Covered
The
Same
Items
Right
Right
Right
And
Here
I
Will
Say
And
Maybe
There's
A
Bias
In
This
If
I
Listen
To
MSNBC
There
Are
Whole
Areas
Of
What's
Going
On
That
I
Will
Hear
Nothing
About
Fox
May
Cover
Things
Differently
But
They
Are
Less
Guilty
Of
Leaving
Stuff
Out
They
May
Take
A
Different
View
Of
It
But
You'll
Hear
About
It
That
Certain
Media
Now
Are
Not
Even
Mentioning
Things
That
They
Don't
Want
You
To
Know
About
Is
A
Little
Bit
Disturbing
It
Is
It
Is
But
Again
It
Gives
Rise
To
Independent
Media
Gives
Rise
To
The
Very
Good
Independent
Journalists
That
Exist
Today
But
The
Thing
Is
The
Average
Person
Is
Not
Going
To
Find
Them
They
Don't
Know
Where
To
Look
Well
This
Is
An
Opportunity
To
Put
In
A
Good
Word
For
Al
Gore
Since
He
Was
An
Inventor
Of
The
Internet
Yeah
He
Did
Kind
Of
Take
Credit
For
Part
Of
That
Right
Right
Yeah
What
Did
He
Say
Exactly
I
Think
He
Said
I
Had
A
Hand
In
That
Or
Something
Like
That
I
Did
Too
I
Bought
A
Computer
Once
I
Had
A
Hand
In
That
I
Played
A
Part
Of
The
Economy
Of
The
Internet
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah
Well
It's
I
Think
It's
These
Kind
Of
Conversations
With
People
Like
Yourself
That
Will
Help
Because
The
More
People
Listen
To
This
And
The
More
People
Start
Reading
Other
Articles
Written
By
Different
People
That
Also
Question
It
We
Get
A
Kind
Of
Understanding
Of
This
Pattern
That
Does
Go
Back
To
Like
What
You
Were
Talking
About
Before
With
Eugenics
And
With
Many
Other
Things
In
History
And
You
Go
There's
Times
Where
You're
On
The
Wrong
Side
Of
Things
You
Don't
Realize
It
Because
You've
Been
Lied
To
And
You've
Been
You
Know
These
Politicians
But
It's
Also
The
Abuse
Of
Science
Is
Too
Much
Of
A
Temptation
For
Politicians
I
Mean
Science
It's
Hard
To
Really
Is
Not
A
Source
Of
Authority
It's
A
Methodology
And
That
If
You
Are
Using
It
As
A
Source
Of
Authority
And
Destroying
It
As
A
Methodology
You're
Anti
Science
Whether
That
Helps
Or
Not
Maybe
People
Don't
Care
I
Think
People
Do
But
They're
Scared
To
Deviate
Again
From
The
Narrative
Like
How
Do
You
Think
It's
Possible
To
Get
In
People's
Heads
Hey
We
Have
To
At
The
Academic
Level
Especially
Separate
Ideology
From
Truth
And
You
Can't
Attach
Believing
In
Something
That
Person
Or
Being
A
Conservative
Person
That
You're
Unwilling
To
Look
At
The
Data
And
Look
At
Facts
That
Has
To
Be
Shunned
Right
So
How
Does
That
Go
About
I
Think
You're
Hitting
On
Something
Important
You
Can't
Do
It
Every
Place
Can
But
With
The
Funding
Agencies
The
Government
Is
Certain
Subjects
Or
All
Subjects
For
That
Matter
And
Not
Lay
Down
Rules
That
You
Cannot
Question
Yeah
Let
Let
Me
Add
To
That
I
Think
One
Of
The
Great
Strengths
Of
American
Science
And
Technology
Over
The
Last
50
Years
Was
That
There
Was
Not
A
Single
Funding
Agency
In
Washington
But
You
Know
You
Could
Get
Funding
From
The
National
Science
Foundation
Or
You
Could
Get
Funding
From
The
Sources
Of
Funding
Has
An
Enormously
Positive
Effect
On
The
Vitality
Of
Science
And
Technology
In
A
Country
And
People
Used
To
Talk
We
Need
An
Office
Of
Science
I
Thought
That
Was
A
Terrible
Idea
You
Know
To
That
Means
One
Point
Failure
You
Know
There
Was
Someone
In
A
Position
To
Throttle
You
Know
Some
Important
Thing
Department
Of
Energy
Tried
To
Do
Both
Sides
For
A
Long
Time
And
They
Held
Out
Longer
Than
Other
Departments
But
Eventually
For
Some
Reason
They
Were
All
Forced
Into
The
Same
Box
Money
Starts
Talking
Baby
Yeah
Money
Is
A
Lot
Of
Money
Department
Of
Energy
Wasn't
That
The
Department
Where
From
The
Time
Trump
Won
The
Election
To
Biden
Leading
Office
They
Gave
Out
Something
Like
93
Billion
Dollars
In
Loans
I
Think
It
Was
EPA
Or
Maybe
It
Was
No
Loans
Could
Have
Must
Have
Been
Energy
Yeah
Like
It
More
Than
Had
Been
Given
Out
In
The
Last
15
Years
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah
I'm
Sure
All
Was
Smart
Well
Spent
Money
That
We
Definitely
Couldn't
Get
By
Without
Spending
It's
Kind
Of
Funny
Pathetic
It
So
Much
Information
That's
Available
Today
So
Easy
To
Find
Things
Out
That
They
Would
Try
To
Pull
Something
Like
That
Off
And
Then
Do
It
Successfully
Right
In
Front
Of
Everybody's
Face
Well
Having
Spent
Time
In
Department
Of
Energy
Headquarters
It
Doesn't
Surprise
Me
I
Believe
You
How
Difficult
Has
This
Been
For
You
Gentlemen
To
Debate
This
Stuff
And
Bring
It
Up
With
People
And
Have
Conversations
Have
You
Experienced
A Lot
Of
Resistance
Yeah
I
Mean
It
It's
Interesting
How
It
Evolved
I
Think
In
The
Nineties
There
Was
Still
A
Certain
Openness
About
It
And
You
Know
If
There
Were
A
Conference
People
On
Both
Sides
Would
Be
Invited
And
So
On
Somehow
By
The
21st
Century
It
Came
Down
Open
Anymore
But
I
Have
To
Say
When
I
Invited
Dick
To
Give
His
Colloquium
On
Climate
In
Princeton
Which
Is
A
Good
University
And
He
Gave
A
Good
Colloquium
The
Next
Day
A
Nobel
Prize
Winner
From
My
Department
Walked
In
And
Said
What
Son
Of
A
Bitch
Invited
Linsen
To
Give
This
Talk
I
Said
Well
I
I'm
The
Son
Of
A
Bitch
Get
Out
Of
My
Engage
With
Him
At
All
About
Why
You
Were
Upset
Why
He
Was
Upset
Rather
No
Just
It
Wasn't
Worth
It
It
Wasn't
Worth
It
Yeah
It's
Just
Hard
To
Believe
As
Someone
Who's
Outside
Of
Academia
It's
Hard
To
Believe
There's
Closed
Minded
People
At
Universities
The
Point
Was
He
Didn't
Know
The
There's
No
People
Like
You
Know
Everybody
Is
Either
One
Side
Or
The
Other
All
In
Or
Not
And
If
You're
Not
You
Get
Cast
Out
Of
The
Kingdom
It's
Very
Weird
It's
Just
Disturbing
To
Someone
Like
Me
That
It
Goes
On
Like
That
In
Universities
That
Someone
Come
Up
You
And
I
Think
It's
Worse
Than
Universities
Wow
How
Did
That
Get
Started
Like
When
Did
So
Was
Take
Something
That
Was
Much
Less
Publicized
The
What
Was
The
Program
With
Your
Device
Oh
The
Star
Wars
The
Sodium
Guide
Star
Yeah
Yeah
I
Mean
Universities
Treated
That
As
Something
You
Could
Not
Discuss
The
Notion
That
You
Wanted
To
Have
A
Defense
Against
Nuclear
Really
Yeah
What
Dick
Is
Talking
About
Is
That
I
Got
Called
To
Washington
Because
Early
In
The
Star
Wars
Era
We
Were
Asked
To
Look
At
Every
Possible
Way
To
Defend
Against
Incoming
Russian
Missiles
And
So
That
Meant
Trying
To
Shoot
Them
Down
With
Rockets
And
Also
Trying
To
Shoot
Them
Down
With
High
Power
Lasers
And
During
A
Classified
Summer
Study
In
1982
There
Were
Some
People
From
The
Air
Force
Some
Generals
And
Technical
People
And
Talked
About
The
Problem
Is
If
You
You
Even
Have
A
Beautiful
Blue
Clear
Sky
And
You
Try
To
Shoot
A
Russian
Missile
That
Is
Coming
Toward
Austin
By
The
Time
The
Laser
Reaches
The
Incoming
Warhead
It
Breaks
Up
Into
Hundreds
Of
Little
Speckles
Not
One
Of
Which
Has
Enough
Power
To
Cause
Any
Damage
To
The
Target
And
So
That
Was
A
Problem
That
Was
Well
Known
To
Astronomers
But
The
Inverse
How To
Solve
That
You
Know
The
Problem
Is
The
Incoming
Wave
Gets
Wrinkled
By
The
Atmosphere
There
Are
Little
Warm
Patches
And
Cool
Patches
And
So
What
You
Can
Do
Is
You
Reflect
The
Incoming
Star
Light
From
A
Anti
Wrinkled
Mirror
So
It
Comes
In
Wrinkled
It
Bounces
It
Nice
And
Flat
Then
It
Focuses
And
You
Get
A
Point
And
You
Can
Do
The
Same
Which
Focuses
All
The
Power
Onto
The
Missile
So
It
Is
Called
Adaptive
Optics
And
The
Mirror
Is
Called
A
Rubber
Mirror
It
Is
A
Mirror
That
You
Can
Adjust
And
But
To
Do
That
You
Need
To
Know
How
To
Adjust
The
Mirror
So
You
Have
To
Have
Some
Information
To
How
Do
I
Wrinkle
It
Push
Here
Pull
There
Et
C
And
The
Way
The
Astronomers
Did
It
Neighboring
Stars
But
It
Only
Worked
For
A
Degree
Or
Two
Off
The
Direction
Of
The
Correcting
Stars
And
So
Unless
The
Russians
Attacked
Us
During
The
Night
From
The
Direction
Of
The
Brightest
Stars
In
The
Skies
We
Couldn't
Do
Anything
With
Our
Lasers
So
I
Said
Well
I
Know
How
To
Fix
This
All
You
Need
To
Do
Is
Make
An
Artificial
Star
Wherever
You
Like
Because
Yellow
Star
That
Is
Plenty
Bright
Enough
To
Use
That
Light
To
Adjust
The
Mirror
Wherever
You
Like
And
Nobody
Had
Ever
Heard
Of
The
Sodium
Layer
During
That
This
Was
Top
Secret
Meeting
When
You
Say
Make
A
Star
Do
You
Mean
Like
A
Satellite
Star
Like
A
Bright
Source
Of
Light
Shining
Down
Through
The
Atmosphere
Most
Of
The
Problem
Is
Fairly
Close
To
The
Ground
The
First
Kilometer
Or
Two
Up
And
What
Would
This
Be
Made
Out
Of
Sodium
So
If
You
Go
To
100
Kilometers
The
Earth
Is
Plowing
Through
The
Dust
Of
The
Solar
System
And
So
We're
Constantly
Burning
Up
Little
Micro
Meteorites
And
They're
All
Loaded
With
Sodium
Atoms
And
So
They
Get
Released
Into
The
Upper
Atmosphere
And
They
Stay
There
And
Make
A
Layer
That's
About
10
Kilometers
Thick
And
Not
Many
People
Know
About
That
I
Happened
To
Know
About
It
And
I
Knew
You
Could
Use
It
You
Know
For
This
Method
That's
Why
I
Got
Called
To
Washington
Was
Making
This
It
Was
A
Highly
Secret
Invention
For
Ten
Years
Wow
That's
Fascinating
When
The
Soviet
Union
Collapsed
Then
This
Was
Declassified
Thanks
To
The
Effort
Of
A
Livermore
Friend
And
Colleague
Claire
Max
A
Woman
Physicist
Astronomer
But
She
Finally
Persuaded
The
Department
Of
Defense
To
Declassify
So
If
You
Go
To
Any
Big
Telescope
Now
Around
The
World
It
Has
One
Of
These
Sodium
Lasers
You
Pointing
Up
At
The
Sky
At
Night
You'll
See
This
Bright
Yellow
Bean
Going
Up
Wow
Look at
That
Right
There
Well
There
It
Is
Yeah
Wow
Yeah
And
So
The
Point
Where
They
Come
This
Is
Actually
Green
Light
And
So
Most
Of
Them
Are
Yellow
For
Sodium
But
That
Is
The
Basic
Idea
And
So
This
Was
A
Difficult
Thing
To
Discuss
In
Academia
Well
I
Couldn't
Discuss
It
Was
Highly
Classified
So
I
Couldn't
Even
Mention
It
Until
About
1995
I
Think
94
95
When
It
Was
Declassified
But
I
Invented
It
You
12
Years
Earlier
You
Know
But
You
Know
The
Point
Was
In
Academia
You
Could
Not
Discuss
You
Couldn't
Discuss
Working
For
Defense
Of
The
Country
That
Was
You
Know
Somehow
Immoral
Defending
The
Country
I
Wasn't
Trying
To
Attack
Russia
I
Was
Trying
To
Defend
Ourselves
Right
Yeah
That's
A
Ridiculous
Position
To
Take
We
Don't
Need
Defense
Against
Missiles
Well
You
Know
They're
Hard
To
Defend
Against
But
Yeah
That
Doesn't
Mean
You
Shouldn't
Try
Yeah
Exactly
I
Mean
At
MIT
You
Had
All
Sorts
Of
People
Saying
You
Know
You
Shouldn't
Try
It's
Silly
It's
Impossible
And
So
On
What
Was
The
Point
Of
That
I
Mean
You
Have
A
Problem
You
Try
And
Solve
It
Yeah
It
Seems
willkommen
Like
That's
What
Science
Is
Supposed
Now
It's
You
Know
If
You
Probe
I
Think
Into
These
Issues
You
Realize
That
Climate
Is
An
Extreme
Case
But
Politics
Interfacing
Science
Is
Not
New
Which
Just
Seems
Like
Human
Behavior
Human
Behavior
And
Anything
Else
It's
It's
Like
The
Same
Patterns
You
You'll
Find
Them
In
Big
Businesses
You
Find
Them
In
A
Lot
Of
Different
You
Find
Them
In
Almost
All
Communities
And
Groups
Of
Human
Beings
There's
People
That
Get
Into
Control
And
They
Force
Certain
Narratives
And
The
Fact
That
Happens
With
The
Highest
Levels
Of
Academia
And
With
Science
Is
Really
Confusing
To
People
Like
Myself
That
Are
Counting
On
Everybody
Like
You
To
Get
It
Right
Don't
We're
As
Much
We're
As
Much
Part
Of
The
Crooked
Timber
Of
Mankind
As
Anyone
Else
Such
A
Great
Quote
Yeah
You
Know
I've
Often
Mentioned
I
Mean
My
Family
You
Know
Emigrated
Here
From
Germany
38
But
When
Hitler
Came
To
Power
In
33
Every
University
In
Germany
Got
Rid
Who
Had
Jewish
Blood
Before
Hitler
Even
Asked
So
Universities
Are
Not
Bastions
Of
Independent
Thinking
What
Could
Be
Done
To
Make
Them
More
So
You
Know
The
Canadians
Did
Something
That
I
Thought
Had
Potential
Every
Faculty
Member
Especially
Junior
Faculty
Immediately
Got
Grants
That
They
Didn't
Have
To
Apply
For
And
So
In
That
System
Every
One
Of
Their
Faculty
Could
Function
As
A
Research
Scientist
You
Know
Students
Were
Paid
For
Otherwise
And
There
At
Least
One
Link
In
The
Chain
Of
Influence
Was
Broken
You
Had
An
Open
System
There
Even
There
Though
Other
Pressures
Came
To
Bear
But
It
Seemed
Like
A
Good
Idea
Or
At
Least
A
Better
Idea
Yeah
But
Again
Unfortunately
It
Just
Seems
Like
That
Just
Pattern
Of
Human
Behavior
Just
Pops
Its
Ugly
Head
Up
Over
Over
And
Over
And
Over
Again
Yep
You
Know
Joe
Tech
Just
Came
Up
You
Know
It
It
It
It's
Worth
Going
Back
To
The
Founding
Of
This
Country
Because
If
You
Read
The
Things
Like
The
Federalist
Papers
Which
Was
The
Theory
Of
Our
Government
What
Comes
Through
Loud
And
Clear
Was
That
Our
Founders
Believed
That
Humans
Were
Extremely
Corrupt
And
You
Know
Not
Very
Reliable
And
Given
That
How
Do
You
Make
A
System
That
Will
Function
Even
With
That
And
That's
What
They
Tried
To
Do
You
Know
That
Was
The
Whole
Reason
For
The
Balance
Of
Power
And
All
The
Things
That
Are
In
There
And
So
You
Know
It
Was
Partially
Successful
It
Certainly
Worked
Better
Than
Add
Before
We
Wrap
This
Up
Gentlemen
Is
Anything
Else
You
Think
People
Should
Know
Well
Trust
But
Verify
Yeah
I
Mean
How
Should
I
Put
It
Destroying
The
World
Is
Not
An
Easy
Thing
To
Do
Shouldn't
Be
The
Top
Of
Your
List
Of
Worries
Yeah
You
Mean
Destroying
The
World
With
Climate
Change
Yeah
It's
Not
Really
What
It
Is
And
It's
Very
Over
Magnified
Yeah
Absolutely
I
Mean
How
Should
I
Put
It
Its
Origins
Were
Almost
Entirely
Political
I
Often
Find
It
Strange
That
One
Talks
About
The
Science
At
All
I
You
Know
We're
Discussing
You
Know
Can
It
Happen
Is
This
Is
It
Warming
Is
It
Cooling
Is
Extreme
Weather
Increasing
It's
Amazing
To
Me
That
Politicians
Can
Put
Forward
A
Concept
That
Is
Purely
Imaginary
And
Have
The
Science
Community
Discuss
It
Seriously
I
Wonder
How
It
Would
Have
Worked
If
It
Wasn't
For
An
Inconvenient
Truth
If
That
Movie
Hadn't
Been
Made
I
Want
Because
Sometimes
People
Need
Something
Like
That
In
That
Sort
Of
A
Form
For
It
To
Really
Take
Hold
As
An
Idea
Something
Was
Needed
To
Make
It
Catch
On
It
Had
Been
Around
For
Quite
A
Few
Years
Without
Catching
On
Quite
That
Way
Yeah
But
It
Was
Also
The
Confluence
You
Know
The
UN
Really
Got
Interested
In
It
You
Had
The
World
Meteorological
Organization
All
Of
Them
Saw
Something
They
Could
Gain
In
It
And
So
It
Began
To
Seem
Almost
Overwhelming
But
It
Did
You
Know
It
Reached
The
Right
People
I
Mean
The
Funding
Agencies
The
NSF
Got
Taken
Over
Almost
Immediately
NASA
Took
About
Ten
Years
Department
Of
Energy
Took
Ten
Years
But
They
Worked
On
It
It
It
Kind
Of
Stunning
At
Least
From
The
Outside
You
Know
From
My
Perspective
It
Kind
Of
Stunning
It
It
Stunning
How
Successful
It
Is
And
Again
Polite
Company
And
You
Have
A
Conversation
And
Someone
Brings
Up
Well
We've
Got
To
Do
Something
About
Climate
Change
Yeah
Yeah
Just
Go
Yeah
The
Record
Skips
Like
How
Much
Do
You
Know
Right
It
Turns
Turns
Turns
Very
Little
Most
People
And
Then
Turns
Out
According
To
You
It's
Almost
Impossible
To
Figure
Out
Anyway
The
Actual
I
Mean
The
Notion
That
There's
A
Crisis
Has
Taken
Hold
Right
Even
Though
Nobody
Sees
Evidence
Of
A
Crisis
And
The
Main
Movie
That
Started
Off
That
Crisis
From
2006
Is
Entirely
Wrong
All
Of
Its
Predictions
And
What
Supporting
It
Now
Is
The
Extreme
Weather
Which
Is
A
Fake
But
It
Provides
Visuals
Yeah
It's
Very
Hard
For
People
To
Swallow
But
I
Encourage
Them
To
Look
At
The
Data
Of
Hurricanes
Historically
And
You
Realize
Like
Oh
Pretty
Stable
It's
Up
And
Down
And
All
Over
The
Place
But
It's
Not
Any
Worse
Now
Than
It
Has
Been
Before
Oh
I
Mean
Growing
Up
Autumn
There
Were
Hurricanes
You
Could
Wake
Up
In
The
Morning
The
Streets
Were
Lined
With
The
Trees
That
Had
Been
Blown
Down
Interestingly
Enough
That
Has
Not
Recurred
In
New
York
For
About
30
Years
40
50
Years
I
Think
The
Last
One
I
Remember
When
I
Lived
In
Boston
Was
Gloria
Yeah
Yeah
They
Don't
Get
Hit
By
Hurricanes
Anymore
If
They
Did
They
Freak
Out
Climate
Change
But
Then
38
Was
A
Gigantic
Hurricane
And
I
Was
Born
In
A
Town
On
A
Lake
In
New
Massachusetts
Called
Lake
That's
A
Real
Name
Yes
That's
A
Real
Name
But
At
Any
Rate
In
That
Lake
Were
A
Couple
Of
Islands
That
Were
Created
By
The
Hurricane
Of
1938
Just
Floating
Stuff
Around
Really
Yeah
Wow
But
That
Also
Killed
A
Lot
Of
People
Because
We
Didn't
Have
The
Information
Of
It
Coming
Right
And
I'm
Sure
Buildings
Weren't
Really
Designed
To
Stand
Those
Either
Yeah
No
I
Mean
If
How
Should
I
Put
It
I'm
Glad
It
Came
Then
Not
Now
I
Suppose
If
It
Came
Now
It
Would
Be
Proof
Right
Actually
The
Revolution
And
It
Had
A
Big
Impact
On
Winning
The
War
What
Happened
Was
This
Enormous
Hurricane
Mostly
In
The
Caribbean
But
It
Wiped
Out
The
British
Fleet
It
Wiped
Out
The
French
Fleet
There
Was
Nothing
Left
You
Know
Really
It
Was
Just
Tremendous
Hurricane
And
So
The
The
Reason
It
Affected
The
War
Was
The
British
Just
Assumed
That
The
French
Were
Incapable
Of
Restoring
Their
Fleet
So
When
Cornwallis
Decided
To
Try
And
Escape
From
The
Carolinas
Up
Into
Virginia
To
The
British
Fleet
To
Be
Rescued
You
Know
With
All
Of
The
Partisans
Coming
After
Him
He
Didn't
Worry
About
The
French
And
So
But
The
French
Had
Managed
To
Rebuild
Their
Fleet
After
The
Hurricane
They
Had
12
Months
And
They
Had
Enough
Ships
That
They
Were
Able
To
Barricade
The
Mouth
Of
The
Chesapeake
And
When
Cornwallis
Got
There
He
Was
Trapped
Because
The
British
Couldn't
Come
In
To
Rescue
Him
You
Know
From
Rhode
Island
Or
Where
They
Were
And
So
He
Had
No
Choice
He
Had
To
Surrender
Wow
That
Was
The
End
Of
The
War
And
We
Can
Thank
The
Hurricane
For
Making
That
Happen
So
Neatly
As
Well
As
The
French
The
French
God
Bless
The
French
What
Are
The
Warmest
Years
On
Historical
Record
In
Terms
Of
Like
Recent
Years
34
35
What
Was
Like
Then
It
Was
The
Peak
Of
The
Dust
Bowl
And
It
Was
I
Don't
Know
Several
Degrees
Warmer
Than
I
Don't
Know
The
Exact
Figure
But
You
Can
Look
At
The
Records
They
Pretty
Clear
Yeah
It's
You
Know
You're
Not
Going
To
See
Gigantic
Numbers
But
Again
That
Global
Metric
Is
A
Little
Bit
Confusing
Locally
It
Was
A
Huge
Effect
But
Globally
Yeah
What
You're
Saying
Completely
Makes
Sense
It
Doesn't
Make
Sense
To
Try
To
Have
A
Global
Temperature
Unless
You're
Studying
Other
Planets
Yeah
Yeah
What
Matters
Is
Where
People
Live
Right
What's
The
Temperature
There
Yeah
Right
Well
Listen
Gentlemen
I Really
Appreciate
Your
Bravery
And
Talking
About
This
Stuff
And
Sharing
All
This
Information
It's
Hope
For
The
Best
Very
Enlightening
It
Helps
These
Kind
Of
Conversations
They
Move
The
Needle
They
Really
Do
So
I
Really
Appreciate
You
Guys
Thanks
For
Being
Here
I
Really
Enjoyed
Bye
Bye
Everybody