#2154 - Remi Warren

Cheers sir. Cheers. Good to see you man. We're just saying you're a professional podcaster now too. Yeah I guess. A little bit different you know. It's wild. I mean when I met you nobody was podcasting. No. You're like you should podcast. You can do a really good podcast. I'm like, all right, I'll podcast. I wonder how many podcasts I've talked people into doing? A lot. I think you're responsible for most in my spot at my point of view. It's gotta be over 50. This time, like the amount of people that actually have podcasts that got podcasts after I told them, you should probably do a podcast. People are getting annoyed at me. I ran into people that would tell me personally in the street, dude, I love your podcasts, but please stop telling everybody to do a podcast. I was like, why? What if they're good at it? What if they get good at it? Yeah. Like what's the harm? You don't like it? Don't download it. No. Super easy to deal with. It is, yeah. Yeah, that was the thing. You're just like, well, you're like, Remy, you know what you need to do? What? Podcast. I was like, I think you told me three times before a guy. Okay. Fuck. Well, you're a great podcast guest. So if you're a great podcast guest and you're great on that show, Apex Predator. Yeah, I just tell people what I guess and your perspective is very interesting because your perspective is a guy that hunts like how many days a year do you hunt? Now I don't know. It's probably down to 200. Yeah That's what's supposed to be here Most of the year you're in the woods. Yeah, exactly. Which is crazy. That's like super unusual for a human being It is yeah living in America in 2024 What percentage of the population do you like consider your years very small There's like camhians Runella you Dudley, but I don't think those guys hunt as much, you know Yeah, I don't know because you guide as well. Yeah, I'm just like a different kind of addict where I just have to [2:01] Be out there. Yeah, well, it's you know the people that don't know it's it's an amazing experience have to be out there doing it. Well, it's, you know, the people that don't know, it's an amazing experience just to be out there. It's amazing. It's like nothing else that you experience. It's literally wild. It is. It's a lot of wild things that you do that are, wow, this is wild. But no, this is literally wild. Yeah, well, for real wild. I think the thing is for me is I can go out there and every you don't know what you're gonna encounter. Right. You're like it's not a mundane experience. Everything you have to be aware. It's like you could be out there and one day this happens and everything's fine and the next day you get attacked by a bear and the next day you're like it snows on you and your freeze. It's just every every day is so different and even doing it over and over and over. Nothing's ever the same. And it can't be. You know, I mean, there's too many different environments. Like you just got back, I was listening to your podcast about hunting for muskocks. Yep. And that experience of like hours and hours every day [3:02] in just whiteness. Yeah. Just snow and nothing but on snowmobiles. That fucking freaks me out. It's a, that was the best part about it, is just like the place. Sometimes hunting takes you to those really cool places that you never thought you'd go. Like nobody goes above the Arctic Circle and this there, a scientist figuring out, global warming shit or somebody going hunting. Cause it's not, I guess there's a few people doing polar expeditions and things like that, but it's not a place you just go vacation. Is this from your Instagram? So this is what it's like out there? Oh wow, so it's like little trailers out there? Yeah, you're just, you're essentially traveling on frozen ocean and you look at the size of the Arctic and it's It's like larger than North America. Is it really most I'm not sure exactly how big it is But when you look at the whole Arctic Circle that whole region it is massive. Is it really larger than America larger than United States for sure Wow, and so larger than United States and it's all just [4:01] North America so you can't really say it's larger in the North America. Yeah, it's just wild. It's frozen snow and then there's tons. So there's like the frozen ocean and then there's islands in it that would be land. It kind of has some undulation in there like little hills. There's an Arctic care just digging. It's like what do they eat? Yeah. They eat the tundra I guess. The Arctic here and the Tarmigans, right? Like what do they eat? I don't know, just this grasses. Just whatever pops up out of the little splats where they can find. Yeah, and it's not all, the thing about it is it's super windy all the time too, because there's nothing to stop the wind. So it's really cold and then it's even colder because you get that wind shell. But that wind blows pretty fierce and that wind's always moving the snow. So the snow's always there, but there would be like a lot of drifts, but it'll cause areas where there's maybe a hill to blow open. So that's what the musk oxy, that's what the Arctic cares. [5:00] So you find like those kind of areas in that their food sources there. How crazy is that? You're relying on the wind to uncover the snow to give you enough food to sustain. It's wild. And then to sustain an animal that's that large. Yeah. It's largest in muskocks. Well that gives me hope for big foot. Yeah. People say well they eat well. Muskocks live out in Antarctica. Yeah. Or the Arctic Circle. Yeah. Dr. Axe live out in Antarctica. Yeah, you know, or the Arctic Circle. Yeah, the Arctic. And when you're out there, how many people live there full time? I can't remember. I think it's under a thousand. Wow. And that's like a larger, that we flew into like a larger area and then went over a hundred miles from there. What do those folks do for the most part? There's some, in the summertime, there's like fishing and then hunting in the winter time. And that's what they live off of? Yeah, there's, there is stuff like certain, some of the more, there's other villages that don't have, you know, like an airplane that goes to it or whatever and there's purely [6:03] subsistence or getting things in a couple times a year. Like that particular spot, the fuel comes in once a year. Once a year. Yeah. So somebody pokes a hole in the fuel tank. That's it. Fucked. Yeah, you're done. Oh my God. It's pretty crazy. Fuel comes in once a year. It's such a crazy thing to say. You got a plan for the whole year. How much fuel everybody uses diesel for everything heating everything? And if you don't have a year fucked. Yeah. Wow. Very, very crazy. Like, I don't know, just there's places in the world that are so unlike what we're used to. Oh yeah, that's what we imagine. There's people that are gonna live their whole life. Yeah, well yeah. Most of the people that I met had never left that village. Wow, imagine taking them to Hawaii. They'd be like, what the fuck am I doing with my life? And I know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if they would like it. What are you talking about, everybody likes Hawaii? Yeah, but they would love it. You too hot. I think it's like, it's nice. I'll take too hot. [7:06] I'll take too hot all day. Over fucking freezing tundra and wind and fuck that. You mind sweating a little bit. Your next to the ocean, jump in the water, cool off. Relax. They like their food. They like to eat stuff that I wasn't the fan of. It's called mucktuck. It's like essentially whale fat that's been cured. Whoa, like fermented? Not fermented, it's more like salted. Almost like whale beef jerky. Oh like, okay. Yeah. Whale fat, that's what it looks like. Yeah, that's it. Bourdain told me that fermented shark was the most disgusting thing he ever ate. Yeah, I haven't had that, but I've heard it's really bad. And they love it. And apparently, wherever the fuck it is, I guess it's Iceland, would they eat it a lot? Iceland, yeah. That's what it looks like, Jamie? Does that what it would look like when you were eating it? Yeah, what does it taste like? I don't know, it's like greasy rotten fish maybe. [8:06] Oh. No, not a thing. What kind of whale is it, too? The guys, some of the new guys, they have like preferred whale kinds. They like Narwhal the best is what he said and then Baluga Whale. And then there's other whales that they don't like as much. Hmm. So yeah, like when the community gets like it, I get, they do all that in the summertime. And then they save it for the winter time. But I guess you need to eat a lot of fat to survive the winter. Whale in my brain goes into the same category as monkey. Like you're eating whale or you eat monkey. I'm like, yo, do you have to do that now? Yeah. You're not a fan. It seems like you should probably shouldn't do that now. Yeah, I'm not a fan. It seems like you should probably shouldn't do that. Yeah, I had tried a muck tuck before. And so when they busted it out, I was like, I will pass. Thank you. Were they offended? No, I think that they just didn't get it, you know? Right, like their whole culinary experience too is like, [9:03] I, we got the musk oxen and it was really it was like really good meat and you know I cooked it up with some like garlic and canned mushrooms in a pan and do it how I like like medium rare and it was phenomenal and the way they do their cooking is they just boil it they like it boiled everything everything but you think about it and then they've lived so long in a lot of isolation, no doctors none of this. So they're very cautious about their food and they just don't want to get sick from it or anything. Oh, for probably their entire forever. It's just overcooked the food and then you don't get sick. Oh wow. Yeah, if you get a parasite up there, you're in trouble. Yeah, you're in trouble. So they just, everything's boiled. They like it boiled. Well, I guess if you drink the broth too, you know, it's like a soup. Yeah. Making like kind of a meat soup. Right. It's probably a good way to be like effective. Like you don't need to cook in fat that way. Yeah, they just boil it and then they've got everything in the pot and that's... And they get their dietary fat from just this whale fat stuff. Yep. [10:05] They eat anything else so they get dietary fat from? No, I think whales, they eat seals. They probably have no diseases. Yeah, you probably. Nope, cancer, no heart attacks. Like every, every, every lives to 110. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's probably good. It's probably good for you. Those people that live, have you ever seen that Warner Herzog film Happy People? I mean, I can't remember. It's the one where the trappers in the Taiga in Siberia. No, it's amazing documentary. So Warner Herzog went to Siberia and hung out. I don't know if he was just narrating it or if he was actually there. I think he was just narrating it or if he was actually there. I think he was just narrating. Maybe he went there, but someone went there. Point is, these people are extremely happy. All they do is go trapping and fishing and hunting, and they live in these villages, and they go around on snowmobiles. [11:01] It's interesting because it's like, what is life supposed to be about? Is it supposed to be about enjoying yourself or is it supposed to be about accomplishing things? Because if it's supposed to be about accomplishing things and you don't enjoy yourself, it seems like you're kind of missing part of the point of life. And these people, their life is enjoyable. Like they love fishing. They're laughing and they're going hunting. They're talking about hunting. How much they love fishing. They're laughing and they're, when they're going hunting, they're talking about hunting, how much they love hunting and fishing and it's fun and you get all this food and they're just pulling these massive pike out of the river. They have these giant nets and shit and so they're having a good old time like all day long. They're freezing the fish, they feed the fish to the dogs. Like they have this whole system worked out and just completely exist with what they had with very little other than like snowmobiles and the occasional like machine that they make all their skis, they hand make their skis. This guy was like showing how to make a ski and so he's like using the pitch and the tar and like heating the thing up and cutting it perfectly and planning it. It's pretty amazing stuff. Yeah that's [12:03] wild. I guess that's like shit. Yeah, everybody who works real hard to go on vacation and go fishing. This is just what we're doing. They just live that way. I met a dude when I was in the British Virgin Islands who worked for a big tech company. I don't wanna say the company, but it's a major company that like, you know, they make like fucking jets and shit for the military. And he just was like, I don't see this. I don't see this, this just doesn't seem like a good path for the rest of my life. He gives them seeing all these people that were managers and executives are trying to work the way up the corporate ladder and everybody's miserable. Everyone's exhausted. Everyone's overworked. They're all putting in crazy hours. They bring work home with them. They hardly see their family. They make a lot of money, sure. But he was like, fuck this. He just became a fishing guy. British Virgin Islands. Fucking super chill guy. But as I was talking to him, it was like bringing up scientific terms for different animals and the way different fish have very specific, I forgot the term he was using about, like it was particularly about barracuda. [13:08] That barracuda, they make their skin oilier so they can go faster, so they can move through the water faster. Yeah, they're lubed. They're lubed up, but he was explaining it in these scientific terms. And I was like, wow, this guy is very, he's an amazing vocabulary for a guy who runs a fishing boat. He sounds like a scientist. Yeah. He was like a guy who would talk to him on a podcast and then the more we're talking, you know, because we're on this four hour fishing trip. The more we're talking, he starts telling me his background, we start talking about the business that he was in. I was like, that's crazy. And she just decided to bail on it all and just start fishing. That's like a character in a movie. Nobody does that. Everybody just stays miserable. They stay miserable, they buy a new Lexus and they feel pretty good about themselves. Yeah, that's why I feel very fortunate. I feel like a pretty happy person because I pretty much get to do what I love all the [14:03] time. You get to do the thing that everybody looks forward to every, like if you're a hunter and you have like September for our elk or November for white tail, like you look forward to the rut, like nothing else in life other than like your kid's birthday. Yeah, exactly. You're just so excited about this opportunity that you're going to get to spend a week in the woods and that's your whole get to spend a week in the woods. And that's your whole job. That's mostly what you do. It is, yeah, it's great. You're super lucky, man. You're lucky. So we brought you out here today to do a podcast, but also because I wanted to get you into ways to well because you had a crazy wrist injury that you had to, you wound up getting two surgeries on right? Yeah, cuz last time I was in here I just started shooting that mouth tab that's right we talked about last I think I just got set up. Yeah, we shot yeah, that was like some of the first arrows I'd flung in front of another human That mouth tab thing how weird people don't know we're talking about well, so just explain the injury [15:02] Let's get into the injury first. Yeah, so I mean I tore Well, so just explain the injury. Let's get into the injury first. Yeah, so I mean, I tore tendon in my wrist. That does a lot of the movement. Things ended up being dislocated and had to do a reconstruction of the tendon and all that stuff. Had a surgery, essentially a botched surgery, which made a surgery that the surgery did probably more damage than maybe even the initial thing can really find out. Yeah, so the bad surgery caused a lot of complications and then had to have like a salvage surgery after that. What kind of complications did it cause? I mean, I lost the feeling in my hand. You don't feel anything on your hand? No, I do now. The second surgery, they fixed all that. Oh, wow. There was, yeah, just like the recovery went from essentially a, what are they promised? Like three months to six months kind of recovery to a couple of years down the track and still not even being able to function 100% still a lot of pain and other things. But yeah, but because of that. [16:01] So what was wrong with the first surgery? Like what did they do? Did you just didn't turn out well? Yeah, well, they broke one of the bits when they're drilling in and it got the bit, I guess got broken in the, it's like a hollow screw. So got busted off in there. So then they tried to use another bit to retrieve the bit and broke that bit. And then they used a hammer and like, they used a hammer and something else to pound out the the broken stuff, yeah. And then that caused the everything was, it was an anchor screw, so then that tore, so they took my tendon, used that tendon to make a tendon. And then that damaged the tendon. But then, you know, I'd been under an under-atturnicate for so long that it's like you got to just finish it up See what happens. What happened was the tendon tore so essentially surgery was complete failure didn't work at all Plus I now had all this additional scar tissue from the hammering and the Trying to beat the thing back out. So that's what caused a lot of like you go to a veterinary or really exactly. [17:07] So we're gonna horses. Yeah, it was actually it was like a first monkeys performing surgery. I thought it was like this could be a brain. It'd be a cool YouTube video. Yeah, it would be great. You do. Yeah, yeah. These monkeys are well trained. Yeah, it's great. I'm trying to get a broken drill bit of your wrist dude that I took it yeah, so that that caused the problem so yeah and part of it for me is just I So I wasn't gonna sit out in our tree season So I learned to shoot with my mouth because I couldn't draw the bow with my right hand with the right wrist because it was immobilized for a long time Cast and all that stuff. So I would have missed a hunting season. So I just learned to shoot, biting down on a tab, drawing back, shooting. Got super proficient with it and had probably one of my best seasons. Like it was awesome, you know. I remember when Dudley did that, Dudley had a shoulder surgery. [18:01] Yeah, and he actually had, he had to switch hands too, which I was fortunate. I think it was better that it was like it was my dominant hand, but for both shooting, control, I'm right, I dominant. So I control the bow with my left hand. So is the same everything except just biting and shooting. Yeah, I've often thought about that if that's smart. I think my right arm's probably more stable than my left arm. Yeah, it's quite a bit stronger, I think my right arm is probably more stable than my left arm. Yeah. It's quite a bit stronger, I think. Are you shoot right handed? Yeah. So I pulled the bow with my right, but I feel like my right would probably be more stable. It would. That's the thing people, so if you don't know for archery, you base off what hand you shoot. It's actually your eye dominance. So whatever eye is the eye that controls your vision is the eye that you shoot with with a bow. So you can have both eyes open, see the sight in the pin and the target simultaneously. So if you wanted to know how to do it, you can like put your hands up, focus on an object that's far away and then close one eye and if it stays there, that's the dominant eye. If it moves, so when I close my left eye, the object stays [19:07] there. I'm right eye dominant. So I shoot a right-handed bow, which is weird because you're drawing it with your right hand. But every other, like, you shooting a pistol and you're right-handed, you use your dominant hand to control the weapon. So it, like, really, if you're cross-eyed dominant and you shoot a bow, everybody thinks that's a bad thing, it's probably a better thing. You're probably almost more natural in a way. It's either way. Obviously you could shoot a bow with your left hand. Obviously people shoot a bow with their right hand. So either way would work. Exactly. I think it's a lot of malarkey. Yeah. Well, I think there's a lot of malarkey that I recognize from like, like when people say you have to do certain things, one way with martial arts. Right. Like most of the time, most of the time. But there's a lot of exceptions. There is a lot of different ways to skin a cat. Like there's people that didn't even know that and they started drawing to their non-dominated eye, but you can never shoot with both eyes open that way. [20:03] Boxing trainers will always tell you that you shoot like in the beginning, they would never tell you to switch dances, never switch dances, but some of the best fighters ever switch dances. Yeah. But you're not them. But wait a minute, how do you become them? I mean, some of the best boxers of all time, like Terrence Crawford, today, one of the best switch hitters ever, Marvin Hagler, switch hitter, Boots and us, just like really good boxers today that switch hit. They do it all the time, but back in the day, you just stood one leg forward and you got, and I'm like, but some people do it this way, right? So why not learn to do it that way and be able to do it this way? It seems way smarter than to just be completely relying on left foot forward all the time. Right. And with archery, I bet you, if you practice with, no one's gonna get a left-handed bow, but I bet if you did, I bet you would get better at your right. Because that's a phenomenon that happens with learning things. Like, even learning how to write with your left hand will teach you to write better. [21:01] You'll write better with your right hand. I, um, I don't know who it was, but I'd heard there was a guy, a fairly prominent archer that got such bad target panic that he switched to shooting the opposite hand and it, and it helped. He fixed it. Yeah, because his brain was so trained to shooting one way that he just switched to like target panic. Target panic is bananas. People talk about target panic like candy man. Don't say it's too many times. They'll show up behind you. 100%. If folks you don't know what target panic is, it's a real thing particularly with target archers, with people who their whole life is like, your life is about getting an arrow to an X. And if you fuck up even a little bit, just a little baby fuck up left and right, it's a nine and if you really fuck up, it's an eight, but if you hit that X, you're banging tens, baby, let's go. And so a lot of these guys can shoot 30 Xs in a row. [22:00] Now imagine the mind fuck of being completely stationary, 29 times in a row. Now imagine the mind fuck of being completely stationary. 29 times in a row. And here comes a 30th and that little demon creeps in your head. You're gonna fuck it up, right mate? You're gonna fuck it up. You're gonna miss. You're gonna miss. You'll get into your head and that's target panic for these guys. Some of them can't even put the pin on the target. They have to lift the pin up to the target and when it gets to the target like a drive by they pull the trigger. They're just going crazy. Yeah, they just like force it in there and you get. Yeah, and it's they just panic. You know, and we've had Joel Turner from Shot IQ with his whole system that he has for keeping people in a conscious state of mind so that you don't experience that. You don't just go on, ah, you don't just pass out, which is, I can't recommend enough. It's very, very good stuff for people. But I guess for a guy like you, you do it so often that it's, it's like a normal thing. Like you also, you actually hit the trigger when you want the arrow to go. [23:00] I do, yeah. Right. Which is like is like, most people don't do it at any cost. Don't do it. They'll tell you, don't do it, don't, don't. But I think there's more than one way to address very high stress complicated situations. And this idea that you have to have every shot be an unexpected shot. I don't agree with that. You have to shoot right handed. I don't agree with any. You have to shoot right handed. I don't agree with any of that. I think you just have to be good at doing it that way. And you're obviously very good at doing it that way. Like I've shot with you with targets. I've seen you shoot like at distances. You're really accurate. And you're still doing it the way they say you're not supposed to do it. Exactly. But that's a trouble man. I was too hard headed and I taught myself a bad way to do it. I've changed the way that I shoot From when I first started shooting, but yeah, it's not It's probably not pretty, but I do I actually do more of a I do I use a in index release Which is just like a post where you activate it with your trigger [24:02] But the way that I've done it is I use kind of more of like a back tension style polling with that. I used to just slap the trigger and it was super accurate with it. I have. That's a camp, does it? You know what's funny is I, that's how I started shooting. And I was actually shooting like tournaments and like 3D things, just, you know just getting my foot in the door, they just were fun in the off season. Never got super serious, cause it cut into hunting, but I do it and I was winning by a lot in this guy that I was shooting with. He was like, you're shooting absolutely wrong, you're just like that. And it got in my head, it popped to me. And I was like, wait, I'm doing it wrong. Nobody's ever told me how to do it. That messed me up. But that's what I was saying. It's just a mind. It's a mind fog. It's a mind fog. There's no way to do it wrong. Look, Cam shoots that way. He's one of the best bow hunters has ever walked the face of the earth. He shoots that way. He makes that thing go off. And then there's Dudley who doesn't. Dudley who will shoot with a hinge sometimes or shoot with the back tension. [25:07] Yeah. But I'm also, you know, my thing is I shoot a bow for hunting. And so for hunting, that's the best dollar release in my opinion. And I'm very accurate with it. So I'm not trying to shoot 900 X's in a row. Like I'm trying to make one perfect arrow, and so I can focus on that one shot, and that release works better for me for hunting. So that's what you said. Why do you think that the wrist strap with the finger trigger is the best one? For hunting? Yeah. Because it's always on you. You don't have to reach for it. You don't have to move for it. It's like always there. And then the other thing is, you know, they talk about like, don't punch the trigger or whatever, but in certain situations, I need that arrow to go now. I don't need to be pulling through the shot. Like, this is my opportunity. And I can see. You might be shooting in a window. Yeah, or in the wind. And I've got a can't the bow just right. And I need to make like a more technical shot that maybe not that it's rushed, but it's [26:07] like this is what it has to happen. And so it can happen the other way, but for me, it's just easier to be like in full control of that decision making. There's also an argument on the other side now in target archering like Kyle Douglas. Like Kyle Douglas, he, he, it's a trigger and he wins Vegas. Right? Yeah. He just, uh, he's, he pulls so hard that he's pulled bows apart. Really? Yeah. So he pulls on the wall so hard. So he's just got that motherfucker locked out and he uses, uh, in indoor tournaments, he uses a thumb and hunting, he's the finger trigger. Yeah, I love it. It's like, you're doing it wrong. Scoreboard. He won. He's doing it right. You can't, there's that thing. If you can do that with a sniper, like I had a long conversation with Andy Stump about this, who was in SEALS, and he's a sniper. And I was, you know, we were talking about, like methods and he's like, [27:07] there's as long as you're repeatable, you know how to do this one method. Like this mindset of there's only one way to do it, it has to be an unanticipated shot. He's like, no, no. Like, if you're a sniper, it's unanticipated. Right. You just don't move. Don't flinch. Like if you've ever, one of the proudest things if you ever go to a range is when you run out of ammo but you don't flinch, you just squeeze the trigger. You're like, oh, that's beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful. Like even though there's no, nothing the gun doesn't go off, you didn just do that with a shot, you can make a perfectly accurate shot by deciding when it goes off. It is possible. The idea that it's not possible, that's a silly thing to say. But is it possible for some people? Well, some people are spaz-as. And some people are freaked out by anxiety, the moment, the adrenaline, [28:01] or they don't know how to keep their mind contained like with Joel Turner's methods, which I think anybody should know that. Anybody should know that. You should talk to yourself during it to keep yourself from just acting because of the anxiety, which is because it's a normal tendency that people have to spaz out. Yeah. I think the other thing too is like maybe there's there's ways that are probably best for most people And I might be the way that's best for most people But then there's also that I think the people that have a lot of time into something Can do it a different way than a lot of other people because they're they understand that moment right right So like there's a lot of people that they get drawn back on an elk They've tried to get within range of an elk for five years. This is their opportunity and they don't know how to react to that without some other kind of complete freak out. Complete freak out. Doesn't matter what it is. There's also like, in a situation where you might get a shot [29:02] soon or you didn't know you're gonna get a shot and also you do. Because if you didn't know you're gonna get a shot and also you do. Because if you didn't know, you're gonna get a shot and also you do. Here a gentleman just kicks in, you're just fucking heart's beating. Woo! But if you know, it's gonna happen like, hey, stay chill. It's common. It's common. Like he's, you know, he's calming, he's still calming, he's talking about getting a position. You give yourself time to experience that this is actually gonna happen, rather than he's just there. Ah! Right. And then you just, he tries to stay calm, but your arms move it all over the place. Yep. It's just, it's different experiences and whether or not your brain knows how to process those experiences. If you've had a bunch of those experiences, you're like, oh, I've been here before. Yeah, I know what this is. I know how to do this. Okay, it's gonna happen, so stay calm, pick a spot, pull through your shot. Yeah, and even myself, like there's times where you go, [30:02] it's actually the opposite for me. If something's surprising, it's like there, it's just like ads here. But it's when you got to stalk all day on something. I've invested my entire day into this, or this is the last chance, don't fuck it up. Yeah. You go, that's when you start to, okay, well, when I get there, here's what I'm gonna do. Yeah. Talk yourself through it in a way. When you're going through the shot, do you talk to yourself as you're shooting, as you're pulling the trigger? No, but there's a little bit of a checklist just so I don't kind of like drawback anchor level focus. Kind of a... So you just go through that checklist in your head? Yeah, I think so. So do you go through it like audibly or do you go through where you just do the things I do the things level Center people yeah, go through that line just I just make sure that I'm making the good shot and then I just focus on that shot Do you Have you ever tried the thumb triggers? Yeah, I shoot I've got all kinds of releases and I'll shoot them all, but just for, [31:06] I don't even know why, just for fun, I guess. Or like, let's say I'm sometimes too, if I'm like shooting and I go, God, this is, I'm just not shooting good. Then I'll swap up the way that I shoot and go, okay, there's something like, my normal method of shooting is yeah, maybe it's I don't even know if you call it Tari like essentially a target panic kind of where I'm not shooting right then I go I'll grab that other one. Okay, and then I get back in the rhythm and shoot Do you find any difference in your accuracy with a handheld release like a thumb trigger release versus a finger trigger release? Mm-hmm. I'm probably more accurate with the finger trigger because that's what I shoot all the time. You know. Do you do the thumb behind the head thing? With the trigger? Yeah. No. Um, it's Cam does that. I do not do that. No, I mean, that's a good way to get your anchor point. I guess I don't, I'd have to do it. But I'll hit things. I do more of a knuckle experience on the job. What we're talking about folks don't do archery is like you have specific anchor points [32:05] on you. So the whole idea about shooting accurately is that you want to repeat the exact same position that you're in each time you shoot. So there's a peep site that's in the draw in the string and you're looking through that peep site and what you're trying to do is center the site housing so that it completely halos inside of that peep sight. And then you look down at your bubble and you want to make sure that your bubble is level. So there's like a little leveler that's below your sight pin. And you make sure that that's level. So that means you're not going to be torquing the bow left or right, can't think the bow, which could affect the way it goes off. And so you have anchor points like the tip of your nose and some people use like a little button on the string that they touch like Cam has one of those where it touches the corner of his mouth. I have a nose button. I like that. Have you ever tried those? I haven't. They're great because it's pointy. It like pokes your nose and you feel it on the tip of Josh Beaumont made it like so it touches the tip of your nose and it like digs into your nose. You know 100% you're in the right spot because it just like poke on your nose like right there. [33:07] And some people when they draw back, they'll tell you do not put your thumb behind your neck. Do not do that. But that's how Cam does it. And he shoots perfectly like that. And so I tried it. I can't do it right. I have to have my neck is too big so I'd have to go like way back because I'd have to have a draw length that's longer than I really should have in order. But I fucked around with it and bent my arm forward a little bit and did it this way. And I was like, this is better because you're locked in. Right. Like how stable is that? If you get your thumb behind your head, behind your neck like that's fucking stable as shit. Like that's locked in. That's way more locked in than holding it there. Like if you're holding, if you have like a hinge, you're doing like this, you've got your knuckle right where your jaw is generally or some spot in your face. [34:01] That's not as accurate as this. This is locked in. You're not going anywhere, but they'll tell you not to do it. I've never had anybody explain to me what. I think it's probably because most people, like you said, if you're way back here, you're putting string pressure from your face onto the string. It's pushing the knock one way or another. It'd be really hard to tune maybe because, you know, everything needs to be straight. And so you'd be pushing the knock one direction. So you could adjust it. You could adjust it. You could factor in. But also you could use a different style release where if you had an index style release where that's there and it's forward enough, it wouldn't make a difference. Well, the thing about those adjustable ones, when they have adjustable necks like the spot hog, the wise guy has an adjustable neck, you can make that sucker like real long or you can pull it down short. So you could find if your neck doesn't too big, like if you're a big giant football player, this is not gonna work for you. But he doesn't even work for me, but it works for Cam. He gets it right behind his neck. Yeah, it locks in there. And I think like anything where you can anchor in, [35:07] and there's no other way you're anchoring that way, right? There's no other way you're anchoring forward. Like this stops everything and it's fucking tracks. I think this is like the best thing you could ever do. Right. If you could really make that work, I wish my neck was smaller so I could pull this off. I would do that, because I feel like that is locked in, man. Yeah, I feel, I locked in. And I've got like a small face, so I think it worked for me. But there's archery people out and right and I'm just pulling their hair out, going, shut up, this is terrible advice. I know, I've watched camhain shoot balloons at 120 yards like that. Yeah, I know that's the thing. It doesn't matter what you do. There's always the armchair critics that know how to do it better. It's like, well, I got a certain kind of injury and I got to draw a certain kind of way. It looks like shit, but it works. Well, there's a very similar situation in I think almost every sport. It's definitely in pool. There's so many different schools of thought in pool of like how you're supposed to stroke the ball, whether or not you drop your elbow, [36:05] whether or not you, what fingers you hold the cue with, whether you turn your wrist forward before you shoot or whether you always keep it parallel or dangling rather. So there's all sorts of, I think it's with everything that people are struggling to master. People have ways that they think everybody should do it and then someone will come along that does it like completely different and They're killing everybody and they're like When the Filipinos came to America American pool players they hold the they would back in the day at least they would hold the cue Lightly but not like the Filipinos the Filipinos like Efyes, he's like one of the greatest of all time. He's like barely holding onto it. It's like, his hand is like a loose noodle. And he's just like, it's smooth. Like, he's playing a violin or something. It's wild to watch. And it's like this delicate way of hitting the balls. Like, maximum efficiency of his motion. [37:03] It's all smooth. And they changed the way Americans are playing. But if you had had like an American coach, like if you played that way and sucked, and you went to an American coach, they were like, what, stop doing it that way. This is not the way, you just stop your elbow moving. Your elbow is only supposed to do this, just a tiny motion, just back and forth. And the upper part stays completely still, always. These Filipinos are moving that shit around, like crazy, and playing like wizards. Like some of the best players today, they drop their elbows, they move things around, they have long bridges, short, buddy hall on the greatest of all time, short, little tiny bridge. And some of the greatest players, long ass bridge, like Earl Strickland, long bridge. Like there's no, like, it's all just repeatability. What can you do over and over and over and over again efficiently and accurately? And I think it's the same with archery. And I think it's the same with pool. It's the same with a lot of things. There's fundamental principles. Like you have to be able to hit the ball straight if you wanted to go straight, right? With an arrow, you have to be able to shoot a straight arrow. Do you know how to do with compound bows sideways. [38:05] Really? Yeah. What are you doing? I've seen, I guess they started that way with like traditional bows. Yeah, because you can't the bow on a traditional bow. And so they just kept doing it that way. And I'm sure you've seen guys who shoot compound bows with no sights. Yeah, like instinctive, which is really kind of wild. Yeah, or fingers or I mean, you can do whatever. I like to hunt with a traditional bow too, so I do that every year as well. And the way that I shoot that is completely different than the way that I shoot a compound bow. I mean, because I actually just instinct, I do what's an instinctive method of traditional shooting, where a lot of people do like different kinds of string walking or whatever I just do the shoot the arrow, know the trajectory kind of like. Like you throw a rock. Yeah, like if I'm gonna throw, and I just the way that I practice, I walk around with a blunt tip, it's just like a non-sharp tip or practice tips. I walk around and I shoot pine cones in the forest. [39:02] You know, and that's like, but just engaged the loop. The arc. And so you just build it and it just becomes instinct. Where it's like, if I'm gonna toss a pen to Jamie or my phone to Jamie or they're over there, it's like, I'm not gonna throw it in space. And I'm not gonna like hit it on the floor. I'm gonna toss it to him. It's the arrow. Can you toss on when you're right hand now or is it fucked up? I mean, yeah, I guess I can. I look like a little girl. I did some one of those ax throwing things with my buddies and they're like, can you please stop? Just embarrassing. You're gonna fucking kill everybody. This is embarrassing. Wait, that is one good advantage of having your finger trigger though. You don't have to have all that weight held in your hand. Correct, yeah. Yeah, that's good. You might actually, if you weren't, the other way, you might actually have been forced to switch to a wrist trap. Potentially, yeah. Yeah. Does it, the wrist fuck with your wrist or all? The wrist trap? It does, yeah, it puts her. It's her. It's her. It's her. It's gonna make a big difference. I can't say enough about ways to well and just dem cells in general. [40:10] I mean, I've got a bunch from my friend, Roddy McGee in Vegas. And what they do is fix things that you would ordinarily have to get surgery for. In your case with the torn ligaments, they would have to have surgery. Yeah, that's what they said. Once it's ripped's ripped after that, you know, the recovery portion is where you need it. Exactly. And it just really helps heal injuries, man. Like really helps. I have a left knee problem for a long time. Like I tore my ACL on my left leg when I was 22, I think. I tore it and then I had a surgery on it where they did a patellar tendon graft and they tried to suture up the meniscus because there was a tear in the meniscus as well. But the suture didn't take the meniscus tour and then had a bucket handle tear in the meniscus [41:02] which is pretty significant because it would lock my leg out and so that I had to get tear in the meniscus, which is pretty significant. Cause it would lock my leg out and so that I had to get some of the meniscus removed. So it's always like a little less stable there. There's a little space there and it gets banged around. It's always sore. And it got over the last couple of years. It's actually the stupidest fucking way I heard it ever. I was on my way on stage at Stubbs in Austin, which is outdoor venue. And as I was going up these cement stairs, the stairs take like a little turn and I was turning the recorder on, on my phone to record my set and I stubbed my foot against the stone and it twisted my knee sideways like somebody healed hooked me. And it was excruci. And I had to go on stage, like right there. And my leg was shaking like I was scared. So I was like, what the leg? Like shaking like my first time, like I didn't even shake like that my first time on stage. But it was like, ugh, ugh. Cause it was just robbing and I had ignored it. I should have, in retrospect, I should have like [42:01] addressed it and made fun of the fact that I'm such a fucking moron. And my leg was fucked for a long time after that. And it got a little bit better. And then every time I get better, I would just start kicking the bag again. And or going back to Moitai or going to Jiu-Jitsu. And it heard again. And I'm like, fuck, fucker. And so I went a whole year without kicking the back. One, for me, it's crazy. I went a whole year. I'm like, I'm just gonna strengthen this. I follow this guy Ben Patrick. He's got this Instagram page, Neat Over Toes guy. I've only ever seen his stuff. Yeah, I think I've just seen something. He's amazing. So I've been doing all these goblets, squats on a slant board and Nordic curls and all these different exercises to strengthen all the muscles around the knee, which I never really bothered to do. I would do leg exercises, but I didn't think specifically exercises that stabilize the knee. So between that and ways to well, I have zero pain now. It's crazy. That's awesome. This has been years since I had no pain. [43:02] Years, like I would go upstairs, it would just be annoying. I'd feel it. I could do it, but I would feel it. I don't feel it at all. I mean, at all, it's nuts, it's nuts. And so to think to me, it's always kicking the bag. Because if I can kick the bag and then I'm not sore the next day, something's changed. Because it was like every time I'd kick the bag like the next day I'm like, oh, I'm gonna pay for that. I'm gonna pay for that. I'm gonna walk on a route. He's kinda a little bit swollen, you know? Yeah. So I'm really, really hoping that that's gonna have a similar effect on your wrist. Yeah, I'm pretty stoked. You know, like, yeah, you should know within fairly short amount of time. I'm like, well, because a wood you shoot him up with an IV plus some direct into the joint stuff Yeah, I don't know It was all gibberish to me Yeah, they're talking about so million millions of whatever you go, okay What exactly did you inject him with I should have done this with voice? [44:04] The voice is very accurate. I don't know how it is on your shitty Android phone. But on these American phones, these real American Apple iPhones. I don't even, I just think it does it now. I love to talk. You guys are still talking. I talk shit, but I'm not an Apple fanboy. I love, I've had Samsung. I was very disappointed when I found out the moon photo wasn't real though. Oh, I was bra've had Samsung. I was very disappointed when I found out the moon photo wasn't real though. Oh, I was bragging to everybody. Look at my phone can do. Right. I could take a picture of the moon. But I mean, they're great pictures is great. It's so clear. How is it doing? Because it's lying to you. They're like it's no different than face filters. It's a lot different. If a face filter makes me look like Arnold Schwarartz and Edgar, like then, you know, something's going on with that face filter. It's lying. Right. That move filters a fucking lie. But other than that, they're amazing phones. I just, you know, I'm just locked in the fucking Apple ecosystem. But I love the rebels. Yeah. Like [45:01] my friend, Brian Simpson, he's Android for life. He makes fun. Everybody would app old Gordon Ryan same thing Android for life and you you know you like annoying people. I do My favorite thing is just breaking green bowl You know and the best is like I get taken off of group text. Oh my god. I Hate because they they can't I mess you exactly so like taking me off sweet awesome. Thank you I'll hear that anyways. sweet, awesome. Thank you. I didn't hear that anyways. There's actually hearings about this now because some people are arguing that Apple has created an unfair monopoly on the cell phone world because of the whole green bubble, blue bubble, I message thing. It's such a psychological, it's so weird. People are real attached to that. Well, it's a status thing with kids. If kids have Android phones, they get mocked. There's some nutty thing. It's like 90% of teenagers have iPhones. Really? Because if you have like a Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra, which is arguably the best phone on Earth, if you have that phone, you give a green bubble. [46:03] You looked at last and you have an iPhone 10 because you get a special color bubble. You get a blue bubble. Oh yeah. Because you're eye messaging. You can have an old-ass iPhone and people respect you more. Yeah, right. Well, you're not that poor. Yeah. But you can't. But you can't. Literally, the Galaxy S24 Ultra is, listen, forget about fanboy shit. It's the best phone on earth. It's the best phone. It has AI built into the phone that will translate in real time, built into the phone. It has AI that will transcribe voice recordings and summarize it for you. So you can make voice notes, it'll summarize it for you. It'll write texts in different styles. Like you can say, make this more business, make this more friendly. And it'll do that with AI. Yeah, it's pretty wild. That's nuts. And it has a stylist. You can write on it and it'll turn it into text. Like you could write on it in your shitty ass handwriting. [47:01] And it'll transcribe it in a normal types set. Yeah, you can take, I do a lot of filming or whatever with it. Photos, you can just like, it's pretty crazy the stability of zooming in at 10 power and hand hold it. Yeah. It's pretty wild. And now when they're doing this, like with these phones, like apples phones don't give you nearly as much flexibility in terms of like what you can do with the camera app. Right. Or like multi-tasking. The mother, that's another thing they do. You can, I can do anything. Like, you have two windows going simultaneously. You can have a YouTube video. Well, you kind of can do that window in window. You can kind of do that with Apple with YouTube. With YouTube will let you have a little tiny window. Right. But with this, it'll separate your screen for you. I can talk on the phone and watch a movie. Yeah. Yeah, literally it'll separate your screen for you and show you the two things. It's pretty interesting. It's the amount of ver- but it's all that locked into that Apple world, which so many people, including me, are locked into that world. So if you do deviate, it's like, what do you do? And it's like, you're living [48:05] in the woods now. You're green bubble people. Yeah, people probably listen to the product guys. I'd be like, I used to like that. I can't trust anything he says now. Oh my God. It is interesting. I don't think that it's a monopoly. I just think that they've developed a way to make a product that everybody wants. I mean, it's a sneaky move, but like, how's that any different than like Nike? If you wear Nike, you're cool. If you wear a KEDS, you're a fucking loser. Yeah. You know, it's like, do you notice when you have them on that much? I guess maybe you do by the way they look, but what's the difference? Like, why do you care? But people care. It's a status thing. Yeah, it makes people angry. Like, I don't really give a shit. Like, I don't care what other people use. I just use what I like. What in count? What are problems do you encounter by using an Android phone? It's mostly just people complaining about the bubble situation. That's it? And I'm like, people are like, it's so, on your phone is about, and I was like, no, it doesn't even matter. I guess they started doing something like a screen or something, but. [49:05] Well, on your phone, you can have, you can have your text in all kinds of different colors. Yeah, it doesn't matter. But you can change it. There's like different ways you can have that set up. That's the main problem. And then I think the other problem is, when somebody sends like a photo, because yeah, I don't know, I I'm not a spokesperson. It's SMS. Yeah, it's the most old technology there is. And so you can't communicate with my phone not because your phone's superior, but because it doesn't use new technology. That's the argument that Apple is actually having to take a step to combat that. And so what they're doing is they're coming out with RCS texting. RCS texting is rich, something, I forget what it's called. But what that means is that you'll be able to have the same capability that you have, like say if you use WhatsApp or Signal. Right, if you use one of those encoded messaging services, you can send a full resolution photograph, you can send a video. There's not like a size limitation. [50:01] So with the iMessage, you can send anything back and forth to iMessage people But if someone wants to send you a photo they have to send an sms So it could be this like you know huge amazing high resolution photo that you took on your Android phone with that crazy 200 megapixel lens. Yeah, but I get this bullshit ass Right, bro. Yeah, you're fucking camera sucks Exactly. Is it impresses this shit out of it in the videos videos are the worst. They're the worst, like this little square. It is like you're back in 1998. Right. It's like aol.com. You've got mail. That's what it looks like. Exactly. But it's like, just get your shit with the rest of the world, man. Apple should have done that a long time ago. They were only like Tim Cook said, get your mom an iPhone. When someone said, how come, you know, I can't text with my mom and back in the give it, get your mom an iPhone. That's what he said. My lover is like, whoa. That's not the way to handle it. Fella. You're going to give people mad at you. They just have everybody locked in. It's pretty smart. Whatever they've done, it's quite genius because the psychological aspect of it is which it's interesting It's similar to Windows and Macs, but it's more because you're using it in public with everybody. [51:12] Whereas if you sent me an email and you from a Windows laptop and I have a Mac laptop, I have no idea you're sending me from a Windows. It's just coming in as an email. Same thing. So they figured out a way to have the thing that you carry and use the most connected to a brand that you have to like, that has status attached to it. Yeah, it's pretty, it's genius. Pretty clever. It's the best technology they got. I don't see how that's illegal though. There's no one stopping you from going out and getting a Samsung. Right. Yeah, that to me is weird. Like, it doesn't. Google is one of the biggest companies in the world, and they have their own phones. Right. They have pixels. Yeah. It's also a great phone. Yeah. And then you can take those. The interesting thing, I've been going back and forth with people about this because I had a conversation with Tulsi Gabbard, where we're talking about these phones that are D-Google phones. [52:07] And I guess I'm a spoke, because I was saying that you can't use all the regular apps with them. So I think you can, but I just don't know if you could use, because it doesn't track your location. So I don't know how you would use like Google Maps without giving it access to your location. Yeah, I think you would if you used those apps, right? So does it, but then does it keep your location or does it graphene keep it from doing that? I'm not sure, I'm not. Because Google just gives, Google's a little snitch. Google gives you up wherever you are. Where were you over that phone? They know who you are. Oh yeah, for sure. So I was watching this video on this last night by by that Rob Braxman guy and he was explaining, he's an interesting guy that is like all about, his whole YouTube channel is about privacy. It's all about how many people are siphoning off information off your phone and everything every day. But what he was saying that the people that got arrested January 6th, all the people that were around the Capitol, [53:01] they got arrested because of their cell phone data. So their cell phone data. So their cell phone data gave their geo location, their tracking. And so what the FBI did was say, hey, who is there? And they went to all these different cell phone companies. They got all their data. And they said, well, all these people shows that their phone was on the capital lawn or was in the capital building. And they know where they were. And so then they go, hey, you're going to jail. That's wild. Yeah, from your location of your phone. Yeah. And even if you were there, just to see what's going on. Like if you and I were there and you have your bullshit snitch phone over there and that bullshit snitch phone is just constantly giving off all of your location to anybody in every app that asked for it and you're on that capital lawn and you're like, this is crazy, let's get out of here. And then all of a sudden, like six months later, the FBI knocks on your door and thinks you're an insurrectionist. Yeah, that's wild. Woo! So yeah, I like it nowhere I'm at. So when the AI takes over, it's like, oh, he's one of the good guys. He's on our side. Yeah, we don't want them to have to blow us up. Right. Yeah, I think inevitably, there will be no escape. [54:05] And I think all this D-Google stuff, and it's great. It's really probably good to protect yourself from the prying eyes of big government and big business and big data and all these people that try, it's probably good to not do that. But also, it's happening. It's happening, kids. It's happening kids. Like we're getting sucked into some new world. Yeah. Whether you like it or not, that's common. It's how it is. Unfortunately. It's how it is. Yeah. It's how it is. Brian Simpson's funny because he was just complaining the other night. He's like, I give Google all my information. I was like, go go ahead spy on me get it all and they still fuck it up. They'll still offer me ads like bitch, why did you think I would want to buy that? That's good. It's true. It's like it's not perfect yet. No, it's not perfect. But yeah, that's just the world we live in apparently. Does it mess with any of the things like Onyx Hunt or anything like that? Is there any difference between those? Everyone's in a while you'll get an app that's not developed as well for it, but... [55:08] Oh, okay. That's about it. What are examples of an app that's not as good? God, I haven't used one in a long time to be honest. They used to say Instagram, but now apparently it's optimized for it. Yeah, I watched a certain things that would work and then not work, but. But I want to waste time. Yeah. I watch videos on cell phones that I'll never buy. Yeah, exactly. I watch videos on cell phones that were like, come to China. Like China's amazing tech man. Yeah. The tech that's coming out of China right now, I mean, if you've seen their electric cars that could just drive over bumps and there's zero motion in the car. They have all these little speed bumps set up and this car has balanced champagne glasses on the roof of the car or in the hood of the car and the car's driving over it and it's not disturbing them. It's insane. It's insane. They have crazy technology and their [56:02] automobile's right now in China. It used to be just a few years ago like Elon said their electric cars are kind of bullshit. But now they're like, you look at them, you're like, holy fuck man. They look like spaceships. They have crazy capabilities. They can go in circles. Some of them can spin 360 degrees in a circle. In place. In place. So like if you want to do a U-turn, you don't have to, you turn, just do a spin. You're car just spins around. Wow. Yeah. Nuts. Yeah, I guess that's a, like in a place like China where it's just jammed actually, yeah, good move. Yeah, good move to be able to just spin around in a circle. But they show, they have a video of the car doing in a parking lot. It's bananas. It's just spinning in a circle. and forwards, then you can go forward and backward. Yeah, it's wild. There's technology that's just, dude, beyond what. Most people don't even know how good self-driving is right now. Self-driving, like I have a Tesla, and my self-driving, it's insane how good it is. It changes lanes, stops at red lights, starts again when the light turns green. [57:00] Crazy. It knows where all the cars are around it. You can see the cars in the screen. Like in the screen when I'm looking down, you see an image of your car and everything that's around you. This is, it's recognized. This is a pickup truck. This is a delivery truck. This is a Volkswagen Beetle. Like it's like, well, this is nuts. That's crazy. And it just drives for you. You're if you keep your hands on the wheel, it'll drive you home. So if you're like, I broke my foot, fuck, what do I do? I can't, I just get to the car, punch in the thing, and it just take you home. Huh. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. It's nuts. And that's just the beginning. I think in 20 years, the idea of driving your own car is gonna be like riding horse to work. Yeah. Like what? He drove his own car. Is that even legal? Where are you gonna park that horse? You know, that's literally how people are gonna look at it. Everyone's gonna have an automated car. It's gonna cut down on the automobile fatalities by 90% [58:00] 100% and it's gonna cut down on the fun by 100%. Yeah. That's the part is like there is something about driving and Responsibility and having your life in your hands and having to pay attention to things. Yeah, it's like for you Yeah, we're creating a world where we don't have to pay attention to things Yeah, I noticed that like in what I do or you bring someone out in the wild and the things that they don't notice is Uncanny You bring someone out in the wild and the things that they don't notice is uncanny. Like dude, what do you see that mountain line? You're not paying enough attention for the experience that we're having right now right here. Yeah, but your phone away. Yeah. And people that are not used to just looking around them, 360 degrees, you're on a mountain. There's hills and valleys and there's water down there. There's things overhead and it's like, the sensory overload for a person who's used to cities. Yeah, well I just walked, I don't spend much time in large cities, but I just walked from my hotel to breakfast. You know, I like looked at the map, [59:00] saw where it was, walked to there. And the amount of people that almost ran into me was insane. Like, dude at what point do we, like does anybody look up and maneuver as just noticing like so many people never even looking up. So many people are looking at their phone while they're walking across the street, which I think is so crazy. I always have to be the like protective, oh I've got little kids now too, I'm always the, on the lookout for cars. Yeah, I guess so. I guess they started putting signs and where's it, Germany or somewhere, they're on the ground so they can see whether to walk or not walk when they're on the ground. Like the lights are now on the ground because everybody's looking down. How many people are developing bad posture because of this? Because it has to affect you. You're doing this all the time. Punched over. Until we got these chairs, I get back pain every podcast episode. Because you gotta think you're sitting, which is not good for you. It's not good to sit. And then you're sitting in like a regular chair that has like a slump back. You're leaning back and you got a weird posture. And on the podcast, I'd be like, ugh, center my back will be stiff. [1:00:05] So these kind of chairs, it's like ergonomic chairs, they force you to have good posture. Yeah, I noticed that. Yeah, probably speak better too. Problem, man. You know like when you're maybe, maybe you have you sit up, jacked. I don't know. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, maybe. maybe I still find myself doing this sometimes, but much more often than I would be, I sit straight. Yeah. And I just support you because posture is essentially like a static exercise. That's really what it is. You know, you're just because you cut your body wants to do this. Yeah. But so if you have to static, it's like a static hold that you keep up all day. Yeah. Yeah. But if you do it, you'll, you're better off. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, but if you do it, you'll you'll be better off If you do this you lean for that you haven't get a neck problem you are But my daughter used to go to school with this kid and I was always saying how does this kid even do this? Because he always had his chin to his chest He'd be sitting out in front of the school waiting for his mom to pick him up and this kid [1:01:02] waiting for his mom to pick him up. And this kid has to, too, trust like this. Like, he was the skinny kid and his head was like flat. Like the back of his neck, like he was like his head was growing out of the center of his chest. It looked painful. And he's just like, his body's just gotten used to it. He's not, he doesn't even bother to hold his fucking head up. He lets his head just drop down his chest. That's crazy. How many kids are gonna get like bat? Is that an issue? It is right? Like neck problems because of cell phones. I'm remembering this picture at times to grow up posted one time. Look at that guy. That's crazy. He's no head. That is exactly what that kid looks like. They would go to my daughter's school. The poor bastard. That's not what it's got to do. It's not this guy. That looks like somebody took the Samsung pen. Got rid of his head. There's another thing the Samsung think to do. If someone's annoying and like if we take a photo, I'm tired. Jamie's bullshit. You could take just circle Jamie and press that little magic button. [1:02:02] And poof, Jamie goes away and they'll fill you in with the background. How do you like that? That a picture is good, everybody out of them. Yeah. But you could also doctor photos too. You could make things way bigger than they really are. Like you could take a car and say, look at this crazy car, so I just, right. Yeah, just put it in the middle of the street, bigger than everything else and everybody like what the fuck so hard to tell was a real anymore It's real hard to tell crazy. It's almost impossible. I know I always get these ads that are like you talking about something It's not you talking. Yeah, it's insane. So many people send them to me. They go hey man. Is this real? Oh, no No, I've never heard of that company. I don't know what they're doing. Yeah, they're just jacking my voice It's probably some dude in Nigeria. Yeah, make sure money get a free crossbow This came up today because someone was saying that Kanye West is making a limited production Cybertruck like he redesigned the outside of the cyber truck. It's like three million dollars And so dudes were asking me about I'm like, I don't know if that's real like I saw that thing too like I think I saw it on Instagram. I don't know if that's real. Like, I saw that thing too, like, I think I saw it on Instagram. [1:03:07] I don't know if that's real. It looks fake. Yeah, it looks like something I would do and say and get a bunch clicks. You can always tell because it's like something. Yeah, that thing. Is that real? The easy cyber truck. Doesn't sound real, but... $1.2 million US dollars the car is all about straight lines like how how's that real how do you even say out of that a Video so okay, well scroll up says a video surface online supposedly reveals the design of Kanye West limited edition easy Cybertruck All black futuristic twist to an already pretty out there and controversial design. I was telling my my daughters hate the Cybertruck They hate it. Why is that? I don't know, man. Just not cool, man. It's ugly. They hate it. I think it's dope. Yeah, they look cool. They look more dope though, but I saw much of them on the road. Did I see you try to shoot it with your belt? Yeah, I did shoot it. Yeah. You It didn't go through. It bounced right off it. It can take a 45 slug. [1:04:05] Really? Yeah, but I was thinking like, if I had heavier arrows and I had like a single bevel, like an iron wheel, or even a double bevel, something with a cut on contact, I used like a regular three blade, like it was like a Montex style, you know? Yeah. And it just destroyed it. It bounced right off Montex style, you know? Yeah. And it just destroyed it. It bounced right off it. Yeah. Or the arrow. Or the steel paneling or steel. Yeah. It's thick too. Yeah. It's crazy. It's like 7,000 pounds that thing. Wow. Yeah. But you can shoot it. Like a lot of people online have shot them with guns. Like nine mill it. It's pretty nuts. That is crazy. Well, that's just for fun. He did that for fun. That's how crazy that dude is. It's like it's making a bulletproof. It's also arrow proof. But it made me think. If I had a two blade, so it cuts better, [1:05:00] gets more penetration. And then if I had a sleeve over the collar over the end of it, you know, like some protective sort of and then a heavier arrow. And out sir with an arrow and out sir heavy and I was thinking if I had my 90 pound bow, maybe get that to stick in there a little bit. Maybe not though. I mean, if it's bouncing bolts off of it, yeah, it's pretty thick. It is. I don't know. You of it. Yeah, it's pretty thick. It is. I don't know. You try it. Yeah. Are you still a two blade guy now? I am, yeah. Yeah, you're all in on that now. I am, yeah. And you think you prefer penetration over like a big cut. I do, yeah. But it's because where I try to edge toward the shoulder more, where like the shoulder blades there to protect the vitals. And so if you accidentally hit that, I'd rather have penetration and still with a clean kill with a tube blade. Yeah. Yeah. That's the the real debate. Mechanicals versus. Yeah. [1:06:01] And I feel like it's like better to make a good shot than because like with a mechanical, you have to almost intentionally make a bad shot sometimes but banking on the fact that it's cutting larger. You know, because you have to stay away from the shoulder or depending on the angle like a quarter to way shot. Like I've just had I've had failures with mechanical ones, so I just stay away from them. What mechanicals have you tried in the past? A lot of different ones. So this is another thing like cam shoots the craziest mechanical he shoots what's called a carnivore. I have it. Is it a grim reaper one? I shut those ones. I like the grim reaper ones. Dude, it's a catapult. Yeah. Shoot in the catapult. Yeah. At this thing. It's like this big like it opens a tunnel in their body cap. Right. They just die. They go down quick. It's crazy to see how fast things go down because you open up such a hole in them and he shoots 90 pounds too, so it's got a lot of kinetic energy. A lot of kinetic energy and then this big cutting surface of four blades and they're pretty gnarly looking. You see them open, like Jesus. [1:07:01] That's good. But there's a lot going on there. Right. And if you do hit the shoulder, start with a lot of things that go wrong. Right. Sometimes the simplest design is the best design. We've been using two blade arrow tips for thousands of years. Yeah. They were right here. Check that out. That's the real one. This was probably a, this is a fishing, this was probably for fishing. You think so? Because it's so wide or so big. Yeah. Where did this come from Texas? Yeah. Probably dug out of like a sandy bottom. Could be. Why would you think that that one would be fishing just the width of it? Yeah, I've just seen a lot of these like this that would be the size of it. Yeah. Really? Yeah. So to debilitate the fish, not like a barbed type thing. Yeah, it would probably I could be wrong But I have some similar to this that I was told were for fishing Do they were they attaching strings to the end of their arrows when they would shoot fish with? No, I don't think so. Oh really just shoot the fish and then have you seen I've seen guys like just chilling the Amazon and stuff They do it. They shoot the fish and then they grab the arrow. I did see that didn't Rinella do that he went to Guyana. Yeah, I'm like that. Yeah, yeah, and you probably those like long arrow [1:08:13] you know probably I mean I imagine there'd be whatever species traveling up those more sandy bottoms when they're spawning and stuff like that so they probably shoot spawning fish a lot and then have those and you just grab the arrows with the fish on it. That makes us make a lot easier than just grabbing the fish. So this would be, do you think it'd just be too big for deer? Yeah, I think so. So we'll... You see a lot of the hunting like big game ones are probably half the size of that. Depends on where you're at, they're like where I'm at, you see a lot of obsidian arrowheads. Hmm. But, you know, I'm not sure down here that could be, it just be, my guess is it'd be hard to get that to fly very good for very much distance. Right. You know, so you probably used like a long arrow, maybe not even any fletching, shooting in [1:09:01] a short distance. Hmm. Which could be, I mean, brush country, I'm not real familiar with what's around here. So, there's a lot of brush out there. Yeah, but they're probably hunting deer and they probably in tight quarters too, so it could work for deer. Yeah, it's kind of amazing. You could definitely use that for deer hunting, but it's kind of amazing that when they were here, there weren't even any pigs. Yeah. And now they're fucking... And rewars. Swarming. Yeah, I was in a place down in, I guess it'd be West Texas. I would add hunting was the last year maybe the year before. But this place had a cave on it in it, and there was like cave paintings and stuff. But you gotta think like when they were, I said that that cave was probably used for thousands of years. Like you could see that where people had sat and it was worn smooth and it was pretty wild. But when those people were here hunting, it was a forest. Now it's a desert. Wow. You know, so you think about it like, just come and change. Maybe they should have been better with their carbon. [1:10:00] They probably should have. Hahaha. I think they probably stopped climate change by killing all the mammoths, right? I don't think they killed all the mammoths. No, they didn't. There's no way. It doesn't make sense. Well, it's also, there's so many spots on Earth where you go, wait, that used to be a forest, like the Sahara Desert used to be a rainforest? What? What? Right. And while people were alive, what? Pretty crazy. Yeah. Haven't they found, wasn't there like the bones of some kind of whale that they found in the Sahara? I don't remember this correctly, it might have been one of them. They are a bunch of these Instagram pages that are just a hundred percent full of shit. Yeah. Like a 30 foot tall skeleton of a man uncovered in Turkey and this archeologist digging it out and you're like, what? And then he go, oh, this fucking page. And so there was this thing that I did see that was near where I'm living, Reno, but I was just really. I was just really. It's an ocean going mammal. [1:11:02] Wow. Some of the earliest forms of whale. Okay, so this whale, where does it say, they found it? They found it in Egypt in the desert. What's it called? Basil, basilosorid? Huh, wow. Designated at Unisco World Heritage Site in July 205 for its hundreds of fossils to some of the earliest forms of whale. Wow. The archiosetty, analog stink sub-order of whales, the site reveals evidence for the explanation of one of the greatest mysteries of the evolution of whales. The emergence of whale of the whale as an ocean going mammal from a previous life as a land-based mammal. No other place in the world yields the number, concentration, and quality of such fossils. Wow. That's wild. That is wild. Whale fossil. Look how big it is. Look at they found. [1:12:01] That's fucking crazy. Look at they found Crazy bro look what they found look at that that's insanity They found an enormous whale skeleton in the fucking desert Did you ever see the animal that they said was a whale before it became a whale looks like a wolf? I haven't seen I had a photo of it on my Instagram this It's the original look of the fucking mouth on the whale. Holy shit dude. That thing's crazy. They found that thing. Little little feet. They found that thing. So, show the animal, Jamie, that used to be a whale or the that a whale became became a whale from this evolved from this animal It's looks like some weird looking dog like wolf thing No, no, there's there's images that if they've recreated of what it looked like when it was walking around on the ground. Yeah, that's it [1:13:05] The origin of wool of whales that thing like when it was walking around on the ground. Yeah, that's it. The origin of whales, that thing. Looks like a giant rat. It does look like a rat there. That one's actually in the water. But it's not that big either. How the fuck are whales get so big? But if you see the images of what it looked like, there's one that I had, Jamie, it's on my Instagram. Cause I remember, that's what it looked like. Look at that one down there with the flippers and the tees. Look at that fucker. Look at that. So those suckers walked around on the ground outside and then somehow another they chose to live in the ocean, allegedly, if you believe in evolution, if you're one of those silly fucks. That's wild. If you're one of those silly people, doesn't believe the world was created in six days. You think that that's what happened? Whales? That they used to be like a land mammal. A land mammal. And then somehow another became a whale. Yeah, that's wild. And also, how long did it take for you to figure that out? [1:14:01] Yeah, exactly. How many bones did you guys have to, who was the guy who gave, hey, I got a crazy thought. Yeah, because I, I imagine they probably didn't find it all, well, it looked like they found it all in one piece, but maybe they just stacked it like that. They probably haven't found a lot in tact like that. It's one little piece, what's this giant bone? Right. I mean, that's all laid out there. You're making me think of this meme I saw recently. Have you seen this? The skeleton? How aliens would create the animal? The animal? Oh, that's funny. Oh, right, a rabbit versus like, if you look at the skeleton, yeah, right? Yeah, you would think that's some sort of a predatory animal. That's funny. That's all crap. That's all skeletons and you wouldn't know. It had giant feathers covering up its feet. What is that thing in the lower left? What the hell is that thing? For past that, lower left. Yeah, what is that? So if someone took the bones of modern animals, [1:15:00] like it's probably a horse or something like that. And tried to, yeah, because our idea of what a dinosaur looks like is like completely speculative. Right. In fact, in Montana's, they have a science museum, and in the front they have a velociraptor. Has they're normally depicted, and then on the other side it's how they think they might actually be, which is covered in feathers. Just completely. Yeah. Like a bird. Just like a bird. Yeah. See that. Yeah. See. I think I've seen it. See if you can find that from the Montana Science Museum. It might be a museum in Natural History, Montana, whatever it is. But it's in Boseman. Yeah. I saw it when I was there. I was like, oh, look at that. Oh, imagine. Because we think of them in this reptiles. Yeah. Like some lizard looking thing. But they think they, they at least know some of them. They now know for sure had feathers because they found fossilized. Like images were shows like where they had feathers. Giant chickens. Yeah. That's it. Yeah, that's exactly what it looks. [1:16:01] So they think it might look like that, which is actually even scarier. Right. Right. It's kind of scarier if it's pretty. If it's gonna fuck you up and it's beautiful. Yeah, I could see that. That actually looks more realistic in a way. It does, right? It looks like something that we see. Right. And if birds are really dinosaurs that survived and they have so many of the characteristics that dinosaurs have. Some of them do, right? Yeah. And you know, some of them even have teeth. But if you look at that thing, like, yeah, I could see. Yeah, that looks, it does look like an angry chicken. Yeah. It's moving away from Brafter specifically, but yeah, these are all just, I think it's the dinosaurs at that museum. So the theory is that many different dinosaurs perhaps, even the T-Rex have heard speculated the T-Rex, look at that fucker, woo! That's crazy. Wow. Yeah, that looks cooler. Yeah, it's all ways on on the G-Rex. Yeah, it looks like he's in his hair band phase. [1:17:01] Look at that thing, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say it in the band for sure He looks like he could be in poison. Yeah. They don't really know. I mean, one day they'll probably figure it out, but right now it's just a lot of guessing. I wonder how they could, one way they could figure it out is to bring one back. That'd be sweet. Well, they could pretty much do that with mammoths now, right? Oh, they're real close. Yeah, we're actually going to go see the mammoth when it's actually made really. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I want to see it. I want to see that thing. Like what are you gonna do with that? Yeah, you let them lose because they're good so they start with an's because then they'll just keep doing it with the outright to get more yeah, man with yeah They just gonna they're I guess they'll keep doing it and then develop breeding pairs and then you know They're gonna have to separate them to make sure they have genetic diversity Are they gonna like put them back in the wild? I think they are I think they want to do it in Siberia first. Yeah, yeah ideas that it would stop [1:18:08] Global warming global warming by somehow. I don't know how. Yeah, they would eat more of the eating for our spreading the seeds. Yeah, probably turn us into a new ice age. Yeah, fucking it is. I think stomping on the ground too. Yeah. They're gonna literally cool the planet to the point where we're fucked. I know they're gonna be like, we gotta kill all the mammoths to bring back global warming. Exactly. I'll be like the next hunting. Well, that's what my friend Randall Carlson always says. He said, global warming is a concern. He goes, but global cooling is a real concern. He goes, that's what's really scary. What's really scary is ice ages. Yeah. Because there's been moments on Earth while human beings were alive and while animals lived, there's been moments on Earth where it got so cold that there was so little oxygen in the Earth, on the Earth that we almost didn't make it. That's crazy. Like we're all biological life was real close to being extinguished. [1:19:01] Yeah, having been to the Arctic, you realize you don't want it to be that cold everywhere. All the time, everywhere. And all these fucking eggheads that want to spray the skies with particles and cool the sun like, slow down. Yeah. We don't just move to the places that used to be cold when it gets a little warmer. Wouldn't that be a better solution than fucking start another ice age, you dipshits? Yeah. Because they don't really know what's gonna happen if they do wind up cooling the earth. But I guess, like, what if it works too good? Yeah. Or what, I mean, I suppose like one giant volcano, super volcano can pretty much cool the earth pretty quick to you, right? Oh yeah. Yeah. One giant volcano, we're fucked. Yeah. I mean, anybody who lives anywhere near Yellowstone when it blows as fucked But even people in England are fucked if Yellowstone goes. Oh, yeah, everyone's fucked. It's gonna be nuclear winter Yeah over the whole world. Yeah, it's pretty wild all plants are gonna die people turn to cannibals In that happen that people they got down to the [1:20:01] Toba right that's it the toba volcano in Indonesia. There's a super volcano that blew, they think it got down to, I forget the number of thousands of people, but thousands of people left on Earth. And they traced that back to this particular super volcano explosion that I think was 70,000 years ago. Wow. Yeah, 70,000 years ago. Toba eruption, bit associated with a genetic bottleneck in human evolution, about 70,000 years ago. It's hypothesized that the eruption resulted in a severe reduction in the size of the total human population due to the effects of the eruption and on the global climate, according to the genetic bottleneck theory, which we in 50,000, 100,000 years ago, human populations decreased by 10,000, decreased to 3,000 to 10,000 surviving individuals. So there was as little as 3,000, that's the low number of humans on earth [1:21:01] because of this eruption. So literally like a good sized theater, where I would do a show. That's crazy. Those are the people that live. That's it for the whole Earth. Yeah, because we aren't super adapted to the cold really. All 3000 can be like, it's not split 50, 50 male to female. Right, yeah. Who knows? I mean, probably mostly men survived. It's supported by some genetic evidence suggesting that modern humans are descended from a very small population of between 1,000 and 10,000 breeding pairs that existed about 70,000 years ago. That is fucking kooky. So there was a 10 year volcanic winter triggered by the eruption, could have largely destroyed the food sources of humans and caused severe reduction in population sizes. These environmental changes may have generated population bottlenecks in many species including hominids. This in turn may have accelerated differentiation from within the smaller human population, therefore the genetic [1:22:00] differences among modern humans may represent changes within the last 70,000 years rather than the gradual differentiation over hundreds of thousands of years. Wow. Imagine if they're like only the dummies lived, we had a star from scratch, no wheel, no nothing. No flint tools, just morons. Just the dumbest of fucking humans. Statistically that's what will happen. Yeah, well that's probably, that's probably what does happen to human populations. There's probably some sort of a collapse and then a rebuild, but not everywhere. I think there's always going to be a part that gets spared except it's super volcano that seems that an asteroid impacts. Those are biggies. Yeah. That's start from scratch and roaches rule. Right, you know, then you're fucked. Yeah, which is also on the table. That's on the menu. Roaches? No, asteroids. Oh, roaches too. Yeah. Have you ever eaten a cicada? No, I've had grasshoppers and cave crickets. [1:23:02] Callahan was given out recipes for some of the kids. And how to cook them. Yeah, he was telling you how to bake them, you know his podcast? Yeah. He was a cows corner. Yeah, it is. A cows monthly cows weekend review. Review, yeah, yeah. So he was telling you how to cook them, bake them in like an oven. He set the temperature for like, whatever it is, 250 degrees, whatever. Then you like make a flour out of it? You like put teriyaki sauce on, season them, and you eat them. Okay. Well, apparently, just get better at elk hunting, I guess. But if you have so many cicadas, don't you wanna try them? I guess. There's places that have these extreme, this year, right, or having extreme blooms, right? We have where I live, big Mormon crickets that come through and they just travel through their wild. Wow. They make the road all slippery, they'll put out it's like ice on the road, cars go off the road. Really? Yeah, so they get squashed, but they start to eat the dead ones. So they pile onto the dead ones and they create these like [1:24:01] sludge. Yeah, and then they get thicker and thicker, and it's just completely slick, like the roads get like ice. Do they plow? I don't know, I don't think the plowing would work. Whoa. Yeah, that's real. I guess they do plow, apparently. They plow them on an Idaho highway. Wow, that's crazy. Can you show a video of that? There's a, look, those are all crickets. Oh, yeah, dude that's insane. They're disgusting because they'll go that's insane So they just smashed them and then they scoop it them off look how they scoop it them off to the side. Oh my god Yeah, it's just like snow. I had this I was hunting last year and there is just a bunch of them everywhere There's this old water trough that had And there was just a bunch of them everywhere. And there's this old water trough that had, you know, I guess, you know, like a cattle water trough out in the band. And somehow some got in there must have died. And then the other ones keep piling in. It was like probably, I don't know, a foot or two deep of just dead crickets with crickets just piling into it. And the smell was so bad. [1:25:01] You'll never forget that smell. They're just, they're gnarly. But. That's the thing that people keep saying, people just don't have to start eating his crickets. Yeah, they, uh, Cricket Pro-T. There was a small town in, like, rural Nevada that had the crickets come in. So they just decided, I don't know. They put a bunch of speakers down who blast like hard rock music and apparently kept the crickets away from the town. That makes sense. The noise. Yeah. It's a long way. Yeah. There was a certain band that they figured, stop the cricket. It's not what the band is. It's like, what the band is. It was Metallica. It was like, don't do, don't do, don't do. Down, down, down, down, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, That is nuts. Yeah, I think they also call them maybe potato crickets or something like that as well. [1:26:05] Wow. But yeah, they're pretty wild. And this one's a year thing or one's a year. And then it like, there'll be like a big hatch. I think maybe because of the winter last year, who's just all millions of them. Wow. Let's up one in the rolling. Let's up one in the rolling. Yeah, that's the one that worked wow downtown Tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, t and you step on them and they create these piles of just eating each other, eating each other, eating each other. Bro, this is bananas. How do you stay there? I guess you're sleeping on the ground. Oh, camping. Oh my God. Have you had that happen? Yeah. [1:27:01] It's not fun. How'd you sleep? did they get in your In your mind now I zipped it up bro. What does that sound like where you're sleeping? Yeah? I was hoping it was gonna play cricket sounds. What does it sound like when you're sleeping? Just crickets crawling. I mean it's not just constant crawling. Yeah, or you feel then they kind of like hop you hear like the Dunks of them hitting and then they kind of like hop. You hear like the dunks of them hitting. They think, oh bro. Yeah. Oh, you got to wipe the guts off your boots. Look at that. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, it's not all the time, but it is like generally late summer. I know we've covered this before, but what exactly happens to grasshoppers that they become locus? There's something that has to do with the population, the numbers and the time of year, where grasshopper becomes locusts, and they just fill the air and fucking destroy everything, destroy everybody's crops, everything. People starve to death because of locusts and festations. [1:28:02] Well, I think even something like that, you see the plants, they just come, they'll be on the plants and just, it's like a tree covered in the bugs and they're just constantly eating it, eating it, eating it, eating it. And then I guess they lay the eggs under the ground and then die and then they emerge again. It's wild. If you lived in like the 1800s and you're like barely getting by growing corn, then those guys come by. It's a bad day. People died, bad. I mean, wasn't that like a biblical threat? Like a curse? The curse you with locusts? Yeah. Wasn't that like a thing that people would do back in the day? Like a play, a play, a locus. Yeah. Just come and eat all your food. What causes grasshoppers to become locus? I'm looking at it so all locus are grasshoppers. All grasshoppers are locus. There's three different kinds specifically that turn into that Big difference you know grasshoppers are solitary locus swarm, but I'm not seeing what What causes it? [1:29:01] There was the thing that I had read was that it was a particular type of grasshopper when there's a certain population density It causes some morphogenic change in the animal and then they just move together Yeah, because it is weird like those those Mormon crickets they do that where they they move in a certain direction And they're all moving together. It's really weird bizarre The change when they're crowded or isolated. Yeah, there's something about the amount of them. Like they get a bunch of them together. It's like a gang mentality. You know, like when you have riots and people storm on the streets and it's like a mob mentality. They just keep going and adding. I guess that happens with them too, but they have changes in their actual physiology. There's a video funny here, but I... Yeah. The strange thing that turns grasshoppers into locusts that's on YouTube, bizarre beasts, that felt looks like you know what I was talking about. Yeah. But that's a, it's weird when animals can change. [1:30:01] Like it's, for some reason bugs, I can kind of deal with it. You know, but like pigs, the wild pig thing is one of the craziest things of all time, that if you let a domestic pig loose, they're snout lengthens, they're fur grows, and they start growing these tusks. Yeah. And it happens pretty quick. Yeah. Yeah, they just go feral and they, it's the way that they can survive better because they aren't getting fed all the time So there's there's physiological changes because they have to root around they have to you know But there's no other animal if you let a dog go It dogs just gonna be a dog like we tried to figure that out yesterday We're joking around like how long would it take before a dog becomes a wolf? Yeah, I don't know you know Yeah, like if you mean I mean Turned wolves into dogs how How many generations of wild dogs would take for a wolf emerged? I don't know. I have seen a pack of wild dogs in an area where there are wolves. And those wild dogs, like they get pretty vicious and pretty efficient, pretty fast. Oh, I'm sure. But then they probably would, yeah, they could probably crossbreed with the wolves. [1:31:01] I don't know. Oh, they definitely could. There's a lot of wolf hybrids. Yeah. Like people buy wolf hybrids all the time. Yeah. That's what I wonder though if they would actually survive, you know, the kind of the challenge to breed, but if the pack of feral dogs is large enough, they could probably. I wonder if it's a cycle that just would happen automatically if given enough time. Like if you could reproduce the cycle of turning a wolf into a dog. If you just let the dogs out and there would be no more dogs and just be all wolves and then civilization reemerges and we turn wolves into dogs again. Yeah. I wonder. Yeah. Maybe. I mean, you can't. But if you take a wild pig and you put it in a pen, that fuckers wild forever. Yeah. Like you have a wild boar. It's not going to, like, it's, now it's not going to shrink, right? No. It's not going to turn pink again. And look cute. Yeah. Okay. In the early colonial times, that's why they would clip their ears in certain patterns. It would cause it, and that's where the word earmark came from. Whoa. So, because they would live basically feral existence, but they were still, we'd recognize [1:32:08] as domestic swine. The practice of free-ranging pigs may still exist in some areas, but I think it largely died out during the 20th century. However, as a result, just about every part of North America can support feral pigs has them. However, in California, a landowner in the 1920s imported European wild boar for hunting. I think that landover was William Randolph Hearst. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, that cocksucker. That's the reason why weed illegal to this day, that piece of shit. These animals hybridized with feral pigs, producing the offspring with some of the appearance and characteristics of wild boar. That genetic line has been spreading for 95 years or so, and it's been quite successful. Yeah, there's so many of them in California, man. It's nuts. They have them in San Jose, like in people's yards, like they're like people in suburbs, like they'll wake up and there's fucking wild pigs just knocking over, dogs, dogs, dogs, dogs, dogs, dogs, dogs, dogs. who are rooting in their garbage, rooting in their garden, tearing their lawns apart, destroying their, they could destroy giant chunks [1:33:07] of like turf, like golf course turf. They just go right through it. And just root it up and go in for worms and other stuff. Yeah, they smell what's underneath the grass and go for it. Like if you, if you were just living wild, and you know, if the world goes to shit, they're the best animal to have around because you are insured Yeah, it's gonna be a high population if you don't have very serious. Yeah, those predators There's like feral goats goats multiply super fast They're getting like really harsh environments. That's probably like freedom people brought them to Hawaii, right? Yeah, yeah, Hawaii. I mean New Zealand like a lot of places and they just Flourish because they can go and everything from jungles to deserts. Do you smoke scars? I know, but go. Sure. When people do bring animals into a place like we were talking about Adam Greentree today and he lives in Australia where they kill cats because they have so many wild cats that [1:34:03] wild cats have killed everything. Wild. Domestic cats, right? They're regular cats kill all the ground-nesting birds they've just decimated populations yeah it's fuck everything so they hunt them over there so if you get a you ever seen an Australian hunting magazine oh yeah it's like they got a guy with a cat on the dead cat is big tap I got a nice cat might like whoa yeah you know it's just every time humans bring an animal into an area, almost definitely, especially if it's a predator, they're gonna fuck everything up. Yeah. And most of the time they bring it into control, probably the rats and the mice. And it's like, well, nobody's gonna, they're elusive. They're gonna definitely kill the ground nesting birds that are way easier to hunt and kill. Yeah, they don't know their job. No. It's so funny that people didn't know. I mean, I guess they just didn't know. They probably had shitty books. Yeah, they did all this stuff in the 18, like New Zealand. When did they start doing that? Oh, bringing animals over. [1:35:00] Yeah. What year was that? Yeah, the 18 something. Yeah, long time ago. This lets bring animals over. No predators. Yeah. Look who go wrong. Right. And they just exploiting populations. But it really shows you too, like when there's predators on the landscape, they definitely take a toll on the prey species. Oh, for sure. For sure. Like with reintroduction of wolves. Yeah. You them everywhere. They talk about being grizzly bears to the Cascades. I saw that. So you guys not know what a grizzly bear is? Or should you go speak to them, but your experience on Fog Natchy one. I tell you, like the thing about grizzly bears is people, it's generally people that don't live in those areas making the decisions for many people that live there. But when they, the actual number of people that get attacked and killed might be insignificant in the whole population, but in those areas, it's pretty significant. Yeah. And it'd be like, what if we released, I don't know, Kodiak Brown Bears, well, there was Brown Bears in California and it's on their flag, right? Like coastal, large, giant brown bears. I mean, a couple of those running through San Francisco [1:36:08] and clean up the street pretty quick. Oh yeah. You got a homeless problem? I got a solution. Yeah, there you go. Pretty well. Let's reintroduce. We're a bunch of colonizers. We stole this land from bears. Right. Bring them back. There's an amazing bearers back. I miss them. Yeah, and you look at like the whole of Canada where there's nobody living. And there's a lot of brown bears, grizzly bears, all the way through Alaska into the Arctic. There's a lot of those bears around in places where there aren't people. Right, but the problem with Canada is the population centers like Vancouver don't have bears. Right, and so they're the ones who vote. And so they voted to make bear hunting, at least brown bear hunting illegal in BC. And the guy just got jacked yesterday by brown bear in BC. Yeah, it becomes more and more popular because we have more people in their territory and then we're gonna expand their range. [1:37:01] But there's a reason that we, I mean, I love large bears. Like it's awesome to see them. It's an incredible experience, but there's certain places where they can be and there's certain places where they probably shouldn't be. There's a reason that we got rid of them in a lot of places because like, they kill and eat people. Yeah. Imagine if it's like, I mean, percentage wise, I don't know. The amount of people to get attacked and killed by bears is going up for sure and It's might be a small percentage, but okay in the if you took it Per capita people that are in their turf, right? Say I don't even know if it's a point zero zero one percent. Well, that be of New York City Right, and if you had some monster that came and killed a thousand people a year You'd be like let's get rid of this fucking monster. Which is what they did. Right, yeah. That's what they did. I mean, Lebec, California, is named for the place where the last person in California was killed by a grizzly bear. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, this guy got a fucking, and then they said, hey, let's kill them all. And then we're like, let's bring them back. I miss the monsters. Yeah. [1:38:06] Which I mean, there are places where it's like, it's awesome to see them and they're there and we should have them there. Yeah. But I don't think that we should have them everywhere. Because I, and especially with like our populations now, they don't realize what they're doing in those places. Do you know people are releasing wolves in California? Like sketchy people, like sketchy people like sketchy activists releasing was uh... yeah there was one outside of bakersfield we we played a video of it on this podcast um... my friend uh... who lives up there found it he saw this they he filmed this he was driving on the highway and they're like I think that's a fucking wolf and they pulled over and they zoomed in on this wolf hold on a second, I'll find it. Yeah, I've heard of people. I guess they, I mean, there's collared wolves yelling from a organ in other places. Right. But this is not that. This is just like releasing wolves in Southern California. Yeah. So I'm dipshit, thought it would be cute to let a wolf go. And so I'll find it. I've got the video in here. If you just give me a second. Yeah. [1:39:12] I know he sent it to me. So I was hanging out with him and I was like, well, how big was it? And he sent me this video. I was like, yo, that's a wolf wolf. And this thing was like five miles from an inn and out. Was it like a wild wolf or was it just like a wolf dog that they turned to loose no it's a wolf it's a wild wolf yeah goddammit I can't find it I know he sent it to me he might have got a new phone number I might have his old phone number in my book and not have that image saved in our little text message exchange you probably didn't have a knife. You probably had it. And so you don't get the bubble saving. Yeah. Um, yeah. All right. I give up. I got it. I know we played it on a podcast before, but it is a bizarre video because you'll you watch the video. You're like, wow, that's a big wolf. And it's running near this cow. And then someone [1:40:01] comes along and chases it away and it runs off, but it's wolf. And then we showed a video yesterday of El Serito's California where a wolf's just running down the street, like a big ass wolf. That was apparently a year ago that was on TikTok. Last year. You can find that again. I found the video of us playing it before, hold on. Oh, beautiful. Let me find a better version of this. Last year I was in New Mexico and they have, it was a Mexican wolf. They're different than like the gray wolves or the further north wolves, bigger than a smaller than a timber wolf. They look kind of like a shaggy wolf. They're like, yeah, they're a lot smaller. They're like a large coyote, but we saw a lot of them. Really? Yeah, we saw a pack of them in the same day that we saw. There's like four to six of them, a friend of mine, I was with Kip and they saw some six others somewhere else. So they were like, they say the population is not that large, but this is a substantial portion of the population that they say they are. And then it came. [1:41:00] How much of a survey they did? And it came, we heard, which would be completely different ones than the ones that we were seeing because I was like 30 miles away from where I was. And you heard them? Yeah. So you're like, there's a lot of them in here. I think their populations grow a lot faster than they say. They keep a track of them. Yeah. I mean, how much money they're spending in Mexico to give a good audit of the whole population? Yeah. And this is a new Mexico, which like, yeah, ignore their new Mexico. Oh, no, Southern New Mexico, sorry. And so they're coming from Mexico? No, they were, they were really, they're just called the Mexican wolf. It's like a separate species of wolf. Oh, it's not a red wolf? No, red wolf's also a separate species. So I think the red wolf's the one that's a lot more rare But the Mexican wolf is the one that they have in New Mexico. How big is the Mexican wall like 50 pounds? Yeah, we like yeah, probably something like that. That's I think that is a wolf wolf again. Yeah, so this is my friend dammit. It just did this thing again. Oh, I found out what happened on why this is [1:42:02] Something's wrong with the mac computers and playing video Apparently I have to update my computer. But just that's okay. Just look at that look at that image That is a wolf wolf. Yeah, and that thing was outside of Bakersfield, bro. That's crazy Bakersfield you know the in and out that's down on the 10. Yeah, or the five is that with the five? What would I was five? Yeah, the five that's a couple miles away from that Wild what the fuck? Out of the field and they saw driving and he's like hold on. What is that a fucking wolf? Yes, so like that's pretty good video. There's people that run some of these wolf I don't know what you're gonna call them. Yeah places these these wolf. These wolf organizations that there's stated goal is to reintroduce wolves so that we will no longer need to hunt. Because the wolves will take care of the wild animals. They'll keep the population in check. Totally not taking into account pets, kids, little red riding hood. [1:43:00] All that shit. The reason why we were scared of wolves in the first place, I think the wolves are just going to stick to deer. Yeah. No, they're gonna take out hikers, bird watchers, good luck. Whatever. But also too, I mean, when you think about wolves being across the United States, we had a giant grape plains full of bison, millions of bison. Like they had a lot more food sources and a lot more availability to preferred food sources. It's a different world. We don't have that. Yeah. And to bring them into this world now is just so goofy. Yeah. I can't imagine how they got away with it in Colorado. Like, didn't all those ranchers are going to get fucked. Yeah. They're going to get fucked. Well, I mean, I don't know much of speculation, but I pretty sure this is a fact that they took wolves that were depredating like cattle and then release them in Colorado and guess what they're doing? Killing cattle. Weird. Did you see they found one dead and was killed by a mountain lion? Really? Yeah, so this was kind of an interesting thing. Well, in my area in Montana, they did a huge study on wolves because everyone's like [1:44:03] the wolves are killing all the elk, which is sort of true because the elk mortality's went up. But what they found is the mountain lines were actually killing more elk and the wolves were pushing off. They were still out in the ice. So yeah, the mountain line did have actually witnessed wolves pushing a mountain line off a kill. So the the mountain lines are just a mountain line is actually probably one of the most efficient predators out there, more efficient than a wolf I would say. And so the mount lines can kill kill kill pretty much whenever they want. They're just so good at it. So mount line would kill they start to eat the wolves would come in run them off claim the kill. And then what's that makes mount line do kill again. So they're just using these mount lines to do their killing for him. Right. So they run off the mount line. So my speculation is they, it's been proven that this colored one that they just released in Colorado is killed by a mount line. And it's like that mount line just didn't want to take shit from these wolves. Like, haven't seen you, you aren't taking my kill, killed the wolf. Right. Not only that, but they have a small number because they only released a handful of them. So he might have been on his own. [1:45:05] Yeah, who knows? He got a little cocky with the amount of money. Oh, chase you off. Yeah, mountains are fairly timid when they run. They just, they go off, they get up in a tree, and okay, and then they'll go kill again. But in this particular instance, the mountain line just killed the wolf. Yeah, one of them enough. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. Great one of these. they haven't been in that place in a long fucking time. Yeah, 100 years. In the world, so much different now. Like, you can't just go back to the way things were because it just isn't possible. I mean, there's a lot of invasive plants that have taken over forage for undilence. And there's a lot of just so much that's changed road systems that never carved there. [1:46:03] That, I mean, wolves can travel a lot faster on roads and cover more country and be more efficient at killing. So yeah and then there's gonna be massive resistance to reducing their population which there is already right and it's just it's a mess you opened up a crazy can of worms because you don't understand wolves. The thing is it's like these people that want to make these decisions to reintroduce these things they're essentially activists they have this idea in their, this utopian view of nature being played out, but they're not taking into account what these things actually are. You just have this beautiful idealized version of what a wolf or a grizzly bear is. You're releasing predators. Yeah. And actually the other thing too is like Colorado. The wolves that they released there were not the type of wolves that were in Colorado as more of a prairie wolf, which is more similar to that Mexican wolf, which is a lot smaller wolf than the ones from Wayfar North. The ones that are north as you go further north species get larger. Yeah. And it's like they're taking these that weren't even in that landscape ever and kind of filling a gap with them. [1:47:06] Well, that's what they did in Montana. They took them from Canada. Yeah. And so these Alberta wolves, these fucking giant beasts. So a wolf, which they, you know, they need more food. They're more efficient at killing certain species. Like our moose populations just suffered. You want to protect something, maybe you protect the moose because there's plenty of wolves in North America. There's not that many shyness moose, which is really hurting in areas where they've reintroduced wolves because they just weren't used to that kind of, you know, that kind of predator that time of year. Also, they don't have packs of moose. Right. No, very solitary. They drop a calf. Now the cow moose. Right. No, very solitary. They drop a calf. Now the cow moose will protect that calf, but she can. She can, yeah, it's not. Well, that's the reason why cow moose are so dangerous to be around. It's because of wolves. Cause like a deer is not gonna really stop people. Yeah, it's very rare that a deer goes after people. [1:48:01] Moose will come for you. They will run at you. Especially if you got like a dog or something, cause that triggers that. People on the, running that I did a rod, you know, have to like kill a moose to protect themselves and the dogs, cause they'll come to you. Sure. Yeah, this year, a guy, I think the guy that won it, had to kill a moose. He got time penalized because he didn't get the moose well enough but still one I guess he got time Penalized because he didn't got the moose well enough Yeah, so if you have to like protect yourself in the life of death situation like whether it's a bear a moose Doesn't matter you still have to follow all the laws and that laws like you have to salvage things So you didn't got it very well, I guess like it was probably in a hurry. Just got it. Did it real fast? And he overcame killing a moose and receiving a time penalty. Do you imagine a fucking game you're in where there's a time penalty when you kill a moose? Yeah. He's like a moose that's trying to kill you and your dogs. Wow. It's a pretty wild deal actually. [1:49:01] That is insane. So you have to gut it, but do you have to salvage the meat? No, I think that they can leave, so for this race, they can leave the meat there, but they have to, I don't know whether they market with a GPS or something, so then somebody does come in and salvage the meat, yes. Wow. As dog follow was injured before a CV shot and killed the moose with a handgun. Race rules require any big game animal killed in defensive life or proper to be gutted before the musher moves on. He told officials he gutted the moose the best he could, however, he was ultimately giving a two hour penalty because he only spent 10 minutes gutting the moose. Well, I mean, what is his best as he can? Like, what does that mean? I don't know. Either you got a moose or you don't got a moose. Right, so maybe he just opened it up. I have no choice. He might have just like opened the gut. I'm trying to get it and like, okay, I'm getting, but imagine not being prepared for that. Like, we covered in blood when it's 50 below or shit out. I don't know. He's sawing at it with a bullshit dull knife, [1:50:07] trying to cut open this moose, and then trying to cut all the organs out. That same bullshit dull knife, you don't have a knife sharpener. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know the circumstances, but yeah, I can imagine it being a shit show. Like I could see a moose being so, like you tell me, it moves is so big. You might have to sharpen your knife if you're dressing a moose. Yeah, or you might have, like as you're cutting it, you might have to re-sharp in your knife, right? Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I mean, especially if you're skinning it and all that, depends on how sharp type of knife you have and all that. But he probably just had like a, my guess is like a small knife that, you You know you used to be bullshit. How long? Yeah, I've had a little fucking timey razor blade knife. I don't know. Fuck. That's crazy. A two hour time limit. That seems rude. Yeah. Still one though. That's pretty good. It is pretty good. But what a crazy game you're playing. Yeah. Where there's time penalties built in for not getting a move. Not getting a move. Right. I know you went to Greenland too. [1:51:05] I saw those videos. Was that one you were still hunting with a mouth tag? There was, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I think it was a mouth tag. Greenland looks amazing. Yeah, the place is wild. I didn't realize like that. You see that, you know, you see pictures of it. It's all ice. Well, around the ocean, certain times of year, it's pretty green because it's not winter yet, but that ice sheet is massive. It looks like this giant mountain. I mean, it climbs some elevation. You don't really realize that you kind of think it's all just like, yeah, just massive ice sheet. Wow, it's pretty wild. Do people walk on those? Like you have to be careful. You don't fall through. Yeah, they do. While we were there, we'd run into people that were doing expeditions and other things. That was when we were in the Arctic. Some people were doing like a town-to-town expedition just on skis and they left and I'm like looking at it. Like man, they don't look like they had enough gear for their expedition. And when we came back in, one of the people was getting care-flighted out [1:52:00] because they got frostbite and lost a finger. You imagine like six, seven days into a 30 day trek and you already won finger down. Would they not gear it up with like insulated outerwear? I don't know, yeah, must've. Just not or not paying attention. Like you get worked up, right? You're working real hard, your body's hot, take your gloves off and you don't feel cold and then probably realize like, okay, it just happens so fast, like uncoupled hands. Now when you were in the Arctic Circle, like what is the temperature where you're at? Oh, it was like a warm spell when we got there. It was pretty warm, it was like 20 below. But like, I talked to some guys that were there the week before, it was like 60 below. And what country is that officially? Canada. Canada. Yeah. Yeah. And so 60, what's a really rough day up there? I would think in that 60 below with windshield factor kind of thing. Heavy winds, like the breeze, you get a little bit of breeze and that temperature changes fast, real fast. [1:53:04] When it's calm you go,, this isn't that bad. And then when that wind starts to blow, it just drops. It is so cold. And you're bow hunting. Yeah. Which is so crazy. Yeah. To be bow hunting in a place where nothing stops the wind. Yeah. But when it's really windy, I think we went out and we didn't have bad winds. So when it does come up, it's kind of one of those things just stops everything really. Cause you can't see where you're going. You can't really navigate well. So you just kind of hang out and wait for the win to die down. Wow. How close were you when you made a shot? Oh, really close, like 25, 30 yards. Was it windy then? No, it was slightly when he wasn't bad. Now, Muscox have these crazy coats. Yeah. How thick is that stuff? There's a Muscox. Wow, look how awesome that thing is. That looks right at a Star Wars. It does, doesn't it? Look at those horns. Pretty crazy. That's nuts. [1:54:01] Yeah. But they have Greenland, that whole area, that whole Arctic region, it's pretty cool. What did you do with the cape? I skinned it out and brought it back. It's so warm. Are you going to use it as a blanket or something? I don't know, maybe. It seems like it'll be the dopeest blanket of all time. You know? Yeah, just like line your, I don't know, put it on your bed as a mattress thing or something. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. People come over your house looking at how the beds spread, so I got that on top of the world. Yeah. Pretty wild. Literally on top of the world. Yeah. Yeah. What is so Greenland, not that harsh? Not that harsh. No, it was not. Well, it was different times of year because I think what time are you there? I was there in September so it was the end of it was the beginning of Kind of that winter season. It looked or I might have even been August. It was probably August. It looked tolerable Yeah, I mean summertime that's like anywhere like a lot in his far north in Alaska the Arctic summer is amazing Some light 24 hours a day. It's pretty mild temperatures [1:55:03] There's a lot of bugs, but a lot of bugs. Mosquitoes and they go hard too. Yeah, the last mosquitoes. No, they don't have much time. They just go for it, but like good summer fishing, waters open, all that kind of stuff. And then it just turns to ice. And it's like winter time through this March, April, May, that whole time frame still winter and then it gets back into summer. And so when you're trying to locate caribou, do you go to these corridors where caribou naturally sort of gravitate towards? Do you know where they're going to be going? No, I mean, it depends where you're at. There we were able to travel by boat and we could look for them from the boat and go up and hike like in places at Alaska. There's places where they kind of live in the mountains. And when it's that, they kind of have just certain areas and they move around in the mountains, but they might not migrate like big like other herds do. And then there's migration herds and they they do migrate and they travel and then it's weird because they [1:56:08] Not weird, but they tend to travel into the wind so whichever direction the winds going that kind of Chooses the direction that the caribou start to move. Hmm. So they have an area of threats. Yeah, for example. Yeah And so when you were there you were there with that dude Pedro how do you say last name to pureo and puerro and puerro? Yeah, that dude's cool. Yeah, he's a great guy. It's got a great YouTube channel Yeah, his YouTube channel all his different adventures are amazing. Yep. Yeah, he's a great bow hunter awesome guy Funny I was I watched one recently where I was like what he went Elconting in Mongolia Yeah, I was like what yeah, that's I elk in Mongolia. Yep. I was like, what? Yeah, that's alty. Alcan Mongolia? Yeah. And like I thought of Mongolia as being like these steps, like the flat plains. Oh no, there's mountains and. Yeah. Crazy. I mean, it was like, you might as well be in Utah. Yeah, there's all, yeah, Mongolia as well. [1:57:00] Kazakhstan as well. Hunting out of a year. It's really crazy. Yeah. Very, very cool. That is a place that I would like to go Mongolia just to see it looks awesome. Pedro and Puerro hunting adventures is the YouTube channel and I mean he does an amazing job of Just like really good editing. It makes it interesting. They're like documentary style videos of all these different places He goes with this guy. That guy goes all over the world. Yeah, he does. Some cool places. Very cool places. It's just, it's so interesting to see someone, and also when he's there, they're like, why do you have a bow? Yeah, just, Alex right there, he's a rifle. The fuck you do? Yeah, a lot of places in Asia don't understand bow hunting. It's more like, they don't see it probably very often. Well, they want meat. Yeah, right? It's like, it's just the best way to get meat is a rifle. What are you retarded? Like that's these 200 yards away. Why sneak up? Yeah, just be down right here. Let's fuck you, get this over with. But to be honest, a lot of the guns that they have over there, not very accurate. Are you allowed to bring your own rifle? Yeah, you are. [1:58:05] In a lot of places. It's a major pain though. Oh, is it really? Yeah, a lot of paperwork. Yeah, a lot of paperwork. A lot of check-ins, a lot of military stops. Mm. A lot of, yes, like not a fun experience. So for the most part, when you go to a hunt like that, you would let them provide the rifle. Some people would, yeah, I don't know if I would. So yeah, could you bring your own sights? Could you like bring over a four-text sight and... AKs. Are they shot? Are they AKs over there? They're really clasped across. Yeah, they just like left over. So they left over for the Taliban? Exactly. That's crazy what it is that's how many times you hunted in Asia only I've only been over there once what was it for? She Which kind of sheep in Marco Polo? She those are cool. Yeah, yeah, I was in Kyrgyzstan. Whoa Yeah, what was that like it was pretty wild man. How long did you get there? Oh? [1:59:00] I don't know since the day of flying and then a lot of driving, like a lot of driving. I don't know, maybe 14 hours and a 15 to 20 hours in a car, I don't know, something like that. And so how does one set up a hunt like that? You want to go hunt for Marco Polo sheep? How would you even start? Yeah, it was like one of the things like knowing somebody that has a connection with somebody that has has like a they have like gamekeepers of the area and then you get a permit from them and then They go with you that like the game warrants come with you. It's a whole deal and like these people have the area It's their job to manage that area and so that's kind of how that works. Oh, wow And do you have to grease everybody up like you have to pay everybody? No, well, I mean they you pay for the tags and the permits and everything. Okay. And then you don't have to pay all those extra people. No, that's all part of the deal. Oh, interesting. And so when you're doing this, so you horseback through the mountains? Yeah, horseback. Pretty high elevation. I don't even know what the valley floor to be. maybe 12,000 feet, something like that. Wow, that's the Valley Floor. Yeah, 10, 12,000 feet, something like that. [2:00:07] Pretty high up. Where Rira was on the China border, so it was pretty like pretty big mountains. And yeah, horses, they use these real small horses there. Incredible horses, like very good horses, but you're going on trails that are super sketchy. Like, I wouldn't want to walk on them and you're taking a horse on. A lot of it. We did in the dark. It was pretty... Whoa. Yeah. It was like going back through some of that in the daylight. We were a little uncomfortable knowing what you were doing. No, he went through it at night. Yeah, there's... These guys do this all the time. Yeah, there's one spot where they took like, they must have brought, like you know, like I just a bar wire fence that was like a metal post. So they took a metal post and they pounded it in into this like, there's like a cliff and then the trail, well the trail had just wiped out. And so there's like a metal post [2:01:01] that they somehow pounded in and then just put some stuff on top of it. And then the horse is backing up like up against the wall and is scooting around and then does a little side hop over it and then goes. And we did that in the dark with no lights because we couldn't, it was a shit show. But coming back, looking it's probably 1500 feet straight down. Like and, oh my God. The thing where the horse is like, just edging up against the wall, it's pretty wild. You did this in the dark? Yeah, it was not. You had no idea? No idea. Well, I knew you could tell it's steeper than shit because it's just like dark and you can kind of see, we can't, you don't really get the grander of what's going on in the night time kind of just hold on for dear life. Why the fuck are you saddles really? It's like, well you use like these blanket saddles. There's like a saddle horn and mostly just a blanket and then stir up with it. So it's kind of a different setup, not like a western saddle though. It fairly comfortable horses though. But yeah, I didn't, I didn't like that. [2:02:01] It was why. Why do they do it at night? It I didn't like that. It was why. Why do they do it at night? It was just a weird experience. We left at night, I don't know what happened, but we got into camp. We went to this, you go through all these checkpoints, we got into camp, we're planning on going out the next morning, but then some people came into camp and just started, like our guys and those guys started fighting. And then, and then it was, yeah, it was a wild deal and so they're like, we gotta get out of here kind of deal. They started fighting like fist fighting? Yeah, yeah, just like, and they had a lot of guys. So a gang fight broke out on your own, yeah, but it seemed weird. It was like, I don't know what was going on. And then, so that goes down. And we're just like standing back, what the hell is going on? How does the fight end? So the leader of their crew and our crew go into the house, and then they like have a sit down. And then we, so then we're like, one of the, [2:03:03] our guys like, let's get out of here. So we like throw all our shit on the horses, like packs on there and everything. So that's why we didn't have any lights because we just like threw everything on the horses. And then it's like, let's just ride. Okay, so we're getting set up. And then it was like before we left, the weirdest thing. I wish I, I wish I had, I tried to like download some translation stuff so I just had no communication with them. But the weirdest part was like, okay, everybody was good and so we're loading up now everything's cool. We're all good. And then they want to take a group picture. What the hell is this group? Is this like some proof of life picture? You know, like what is going on here? So we take a picture and everything seemed pretty normal. And then we start writing off the guy that we're with as an AK and then they start fighting for the gun. And at this point, I'm like, we got to get, we got to get out of here. And so we just start writing and then we got a gun. Yeah, they're like wrestling for the gun. [2:04:03] And then and then he gets on his horse and we all just fried off and was thinking, was thinking we were so fine. Did you flew all over there? I didn't know. You're in the mountain. Yeah, and he just like, he's fighting over a gun. Yeah, and their gun safety is abysmal. Like it was not, I was just worried. I've watched you two videos. Yeah, it's, do this guy. We get this. So we're driving and it's a long road trip and we're driving and we pull into this guy's town town and he gets a shotgun. It's this old shotgun. It's like pretty much duct tape together. And we're driving, I guess he's like, chuck her across the road. They look like chuck her to me. I'm sure that's what they were. And so he gets out and he's trying to shoot these birds. This is like, all right, you know, a little bit of camp meat. So he's trying to shoot these birds and doesn't get any birds. But he's now thinking that the chucker, or in case we see one, he's ready. So he's got this double barrel shotgun that's loaded and he puts it in the car and he puts it with a barrel up and is facing toward my head. [2:05:02] And I'm like, trying to lean out the side. I'm not okay with this. So I'm like, hey, stop him. And I'm like, this is not okay. You can't have this gun facing me. And so instead of like unloading the gun or doing whatever, he just leans over and puts his head on his shoulder like this. That's his gun safety. And I'm like, no, I get out of the car. I'm like, no, we're gonna unload it. And we aren't gonna go like this. Like take it out, I unload it. I put the barrel down, like open it up. I'm like, here you go. I don't care what you do, but I'm not having a loaded gun in the vehicle or a loaded gun point for me. Like the thought of it, like his shoulders just gonna protect the shotgun from blowing my Not only that, what if his shoulder gets blown off and he dies, you have to figure out how to get back. Yeah, no, everything's bad. Your ears are blown out because you can't hear anything now. It was just not like, it was just bad. Fuck dude. It was wild, I don't know. Did you know what the fight was over? Why they got a gang? Yeah, well, from one of the guys, like it sounded sounded like it's just like kind of tri- I don't even know if trivels are right word, but it's like very, [2:06:08] like these guys wanted that territory, you know, so they were like gunning for that territory. They were hunting? Yeah, I guess, or whatever. They wanted to be the people that take the people. Oh, boy. So it was like, oh boy. Yeah. It's probably a lot of money in that. Yeah, I would imagine, yeah. Yeah. Because the guy that I was like, what's going on? He's like, no, no, I'm the big, like in some, he spoke a little, it's hard to understand, but in the gist of it was like, I'm the big boss and they're gunning for me, like they want what I have in a way. The guiding business. Yeah. Wow. So, so you eventually get free. Yeah. Well, yeah, there's a weasers road up and then we did our thing and then went on, went hunting and came back and everything, you know. And when you came back, everything had been okay. There's no, there was nobody there. But like the big boss was with us now. So I don't [2:07:02] know what happened. Was that the sketchiest hunt you ever went on? Yeah, absolutely. That sounds so dangerous. Yeah. Because if they start shooting those guys, they're going to shoot you too. Yeah. That's going to leave you. Yeah. And I don't know. I think like in that, it made sense. It didn't make sense. But what they were, I felt like I didn't necessarily think that we were in danger, but I thought it was like a weird situation because you could tell like they wanted something, but I don't necessarily know if they wanted something from us. They wanted something from the other people. Oh. You know, it's not like cut. Like, are you talking about the action or something? Yeah, exactly. True. Well, I guess there's probably not a lot of work up there. No. You know, when you're guiding hunters, especially the kind of hunters that are willing to do that have some money. Yeah, because it's a big deal to get out there. Like Marco Polo, she punts against very hard to do. I used to watch, was that guy's name Tom Miranda? Yeah, I used to watch his, that guy's another one. He was always like in the middle of one fucking weird mountain range [2:08:03] camped up in this yurt with like 10 other people and they're eating bread. Oh, that was. Yeah. You're out there. There's no backup plan there. And everything he was doing was bohunting too. And he had, his show was weird too because it was all about acquiring all, what is it, the big, whatever. I like, when you're trying to, the bohunting thing, when you're trying to the bow hunting thing when you get yeah the grand slams where you get like every single mammal On earth with a bow Like like they do the Africa like there's the dangerous ones. Oh, yeah, there's the the the the regular grand slam like all the African continent big animals. Yeah all the African continent, big animals, yeah, all the stuff. So we're a thing. It's like you almost like you're collecting baseball cards now, right? You know? Yeah, just, yeah, different places. I like going different places just for that experience of the hunting culture and it's kind of interesting. [2:09:01] Like you'll go somewhere and maybe even there, like maybe didn't speak their language or whatever, but when we're on the mountain, it's like he's a hunter, I'm a hunter and we have this certain kind of connection that you just don't get doing other things. Like it's pretty interesting where you go and it's like these are hunting cultures and they've done this for thousands of years just like we have and we do things similar. And like we don't even necessarily need to communicate that well, because we both kind of are doing the same thing in the same way. And it's like, okay, there's this, it's really cool to see. And then that whole, like, bring the meat back and the campfire cooking and the whole, like, experience, it's not foreign. Whereas like you're in this crazy place with all these other problems, but the hunting portion of it is very familiar. You know, and like I really like that. It's like even going to somewhere else, you go, okay, let's go to a place where it's like, okay, yeah, I can. Do I need to go hunt a musk ox to feed myself? Well, the musk ox meat was really good and I'm glad I did it. I don't have to go to the Arctic to feed myself, right? But it was really cool to experience it with people [2:10:06] that have lived their whole life and like, have a certain view of it that is actually maybe even different, but that's how they grew up doing it and to see that is just like a really, I don't, I like that portion of it. So that's why I like to go different places and just see how they do things in different places. And then there's that adventure element of going somewhere kind of untouched. Where a lot of people don't go. There's something kind of exciting about that. So do you try to plan your year with a certain amount of these wild adventure places that you visit? Yeah, I think so. Or if the opportunity comes up, it's more of just, oh yeah, I'll take advantage of an opportunity. If it's more of just, oh yeah, I'll take advantage of an opportunity if it's given, like, oh, I know this person here that we can do this. And okay, cool, I'll try that. Or it doesn't matter whether it's New Zealand or Australia or North America. You know, well, you were doing a lot of trips to New Zealand, right? Yeah, well, that's where I came from to get here. Oh, really? Yeah. How often do you there every year? I just, I made a pretty short trip out of it this year, [2:11:06] but just went over and had some follow-deer and saw some friends and it was a good time. But what's a short trip for you? That was only like a week. Oh, that is a short trip. Yeah. I mean, because I used to go over there for three months. Really? Yeah. Yeah, so it's a lot shorter trip That place seems amazing and what a crazy thing that they did where they just reintroduced not reintroduced but introduced all the European Animals to the landscape. Yeah, they've flourished like they do really well. There's no predators So there's hunting and then there's like essentially government Coling trapping poisoning Wild what they have to do to maintain the populations. Just to keep it at a reasonable manageable number. And that's what happens when there's no predators on the landscape because the population is explode. Well, Remy, you live a very interesting life, my friend. Oh, thanks. You really do. I always enjoy talking to you. And I enjoy your podcast too. [2:12:01] Live wild. It's a great podcast. Yeah, Thank you. It's a few into hunting related podcasts It's a very good one great tips. Yeah, appreciate it really fun and I'm glad you did it. Yeah Thank you, and I really hope this works. I hope that ways too well if anything can help I bet that will I really hope it will I have a lot of faith in it. It's it's funny because they said it'd be swollen and feel and it's like actually feels better than when I went in really already. I don't know if it's just like Probably a show me up with some IV bag, dude probably maybe feel pretty good after traveling. Oh, yeah, they give you an IV back of vitamins Yeah, yeah, that's great. That was good. All right, brother Tell everybody your Instagram. Is it just for me Warren? Yeah, Remy Warren on YouTube Instagram any kind any kind of social media, R-E-M-I. Have you ever talked about bringing Apex Predator back? If somebody wants to, I'm down. It was a great show. Yeah, I know. I enjoyed it. It was fun. It was a fun show. All right, dude. Well, thank you very much. Appreciate your brother. Thanks for coming here. Bye