#2069 - Dr. Shawn Baker

Hey, we're out. Awesome, Shawn. Good to see you. Good to be back, Joe. Thank you for joining us. You're still alive. You've been eating nothing good meat. You're still alive. I am still alive, yeah. Fucking doubters be gone. Yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe, before we get started, I just want to say thank you for one for the stem cell stuff, but also for just having the conversations that other people are not I see where they try to cancel you and all the BS and you know you didn't have to do that but you you know What are the people that have discussed? We're not being censored so just in case other people I'm sure you've been told that Well, thank you. I appreciate that it's a it's a weird time man It's it's first of all it's a weird time that a guy like me has a show Which is bizarre that this kind of you know that I'm a source of information in some sort of strange way because That that I'm a source of information in some sort of strange way because that's certainly not what I set out to do just so long-wind, I'm curious, I wanted to talk to people, including you and this diet and I tell people, I'm not strict with my carnivore diet like Saturn and I had sushi but I'll tell you, I felt like shit afterwards. I ate a ton of it, I ate so much, I'm like, it's just me and you, maybe, and many other people that do it, but there's something to it. But you're an extreme example, because you have been doing it now for how many years? So I'm starting my eighth year. So just just eight year. Yes. When I came to see you last time, it was almost six years ago. So I had been just finished seven years now. So yeah, it's been a while. And people should know that you're actually a doctor, you're an orthopedic surgeon, and you didn't at one point in time, they took your license away because you were providing medical information, but you got it back? Yeah, I was kind of an interesting thing. So when I was practicing medicine, [02:01] busy orthopedic surgeon, plugging away, doing a thing, and then I started realizing, hey, I can have people avoid surgery by changing their diet and their pain went away. I was like, you don't need surgery. Well, that is not what hospitals want you to do. They want you to keep the engines turning, so to speak. I said, hey, look, I want to practice some lifestyle stuff. That ended up leading to a long battle with myself in the hospital. The hospital basically suspended my privileges and went to the state, the state said, hey, you can fight this in our sort of state medical board situation or you can get independently evaluated. And I said, well, let me just get independently evaluated because I don't see how I have the hospital. And so that was done. It was like right at the time when I saw you a couple of days before and they came back and said, there's nothing wrong with you. Go back to work. So I got that and then I had to reapply to the board, reapply for a license. Grad in my license and I renewed it three times since I'm a licensed medical, you know, licensed doctor, you know, but I just, you know, right now I'm not actually actively practicing because I got frustrated with the medical system. [03:05] I think our healthcare system has some serious, serious problems, some serious conflicts of interest, some serious, I think the incentives for providing what I think is appropriate healthcare is misaligned. And so over the last few years, so we set up a company, which is called Riverao, and we're licensed at all 50 states. We have physicians all across the country, and we're basically set up to provide what I call actual healthcare, root cause medicine, get people off the medications, actually, you know, try and fix their disease and not just medicate everybody because we have such a system where everybody's just like, you know, you go to the doctor, you know, here's your diagnosis, here's your drugs, keep stay on the rest of your life, which I think is wrong with the wrong course. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. What's the name of the company? So the company's called Revaro, REVERO. And so we raise a bunch of money from crowdfunding and also a bunch of venture capitalists. And so we've been basically building that. Thousands of people that are basically on the waiting list we launch in a couple weeks and so You know so like I said it's gonna be something that I think will provide health care as it should be [04:10] You know instead of like I said instead of the just the symptom management putting bandages on stuff actually getting people healthy Because I think a lot of diseases are reversible and we've seen that all the time You know we see that pretty frequently well That's one of the most fascinating things about this carnivore diet is how many albeit anecdotal stories you have of people that had all these different conditions, chronic pain, rheumatoid arthritis, chronic fatigue, all these different issues, skin issues, eczema, all these different things that they were treating with medication, it wasn't working, they were experiencing side effects, they start eliminating everything from their diet except for me and all the sudden these problems go away. I mean, there's too many of those stories for it to be ignored. Yeah, it's... [05:00] I've been astounded by the number of, you know, just crazy, crazy things that have happened. And again, it's not, you know, it's not that, you know, that is the most profound rigorous type of, type of science that you can do. But it's, you can't ignore it at this point. There are literally probably hundreds of thousands of people who are not trying. I go over, I've been all over the world now, talking this. I get people from Germany and Greece and China and Japan and Africa that have all done this analysis. Same thing. Look, I was sick and now I'm not sick anymore. And so whether or not that is enough evidence to say this is a good treatment. I can't say that, but you can't deny it's happening. And I've been trying to get research done. In fact, there was a study done out of Harvard University two years ago. I don't know if you saw that. So there's got any David Ludwig, who is a senior author. And David, I've talked to him. He is the most ethical, just like he does not want any money from industry. He refuses to take anything. He's like, I want to people significant improvement across the board. [06:06] Now, the thing that was interesting to me is that diabetics, we had like 225 diabetics in that population, 92% of them came off all their insulin. These are all type two's. That's insane. So that's, you know, 100% came off all these other injectable drugs, the GLP1 receptor agonists, which we've heard so much about lately, the ozempics and some of the glutei, some of the glutei, right, came off, something called a PCSK9 inhibitor, no sorry, the SGLT2 inhibitors, 84% came off their metformin, so it's just like, this is clearly a, at least at the very least a therapeutic tool, and that's how I push this. I don't tell, like, you know, I wrote a book on this I didn't say humans are carnivores I see humans are opportunistic omnivores if we were if we were living in the Middle Ages and we came across We're out hunting mammoths and all of a sudden you know the ice ages route and we came across a twelfth a Treeful a twinkies. I mean we plan to eat that Read it right because you know we went but I mean it's and you know there's people There's obviously people that eat plants that aren't dead and are doing okay, so we're on the worst but from a disease mitigation standpoint. [07:09] A therapeutic carnivore diet is tremendously effective. It's one of the more effective things I've seen across the board. And so at the very least, you'd say, let's explore that aspect of it because like I said, there's people that are suffering and we've got so many people, I know where you may talk about vegan carnivore all the you know everything in between but I think at the end of the day is everybody's eating processed garbage I mean we're just eating bullshit I mean and that is really one of the problems and the one thing and you said this Joe when you need to just meet you're like I don't want that other bullshit because you're you're actually satiated and this is a thing that's I think problematic because if you look at issue and there's a study that just came out now looking at the financial incentive for ultra-process food. Why do we have this stuff? So you look at the big asset management groups. You've got BlackRock, you've got Vanguard, you've got State Street [08:02] and Capital and I can't remember the full names on these, but those guys collectively own huge portions of Nestle, Pepsico, all these other processed food companies. They also have they also have significant shares in pharmaceutical manufacturers. So you basically you sick in the population by feeding them garbage and then you just you profit on their under disease and I think that's what's going on. And I think it's really unfortunate, you know. And I think, you know, some people make an argument, you know, is it, is a net, is there a net benefit from feeding more people versus how many people are getting sick? And I think there's a point where, you know, the line goes, you know, if, if, if every, most people are getting sick from this and only a few people are benefiting then you've kind of crossed that line of, you know, does it, does it, is it for the greater good and it becomes, you know, the realm of almost evil in my mind, in my mind. Well, I think it started out with just trying to make money. I mean, that's, that's what started out with the process foods and I think then they realize, well, now you're, you're selling more medication to these people. So you make more money on top of that more money. I don't even think it's a conspiracy. [09:05] I think it's just opportunity. I think they just look at profits and that's what these corporations are established for. Their bottom line is they're supposed to make as much money as they can for their shareholders. That's their responsibility. Their responsibility is to have like a cute cartoon guy that sells you sugary cereal. Because you know, I was a kid, that's what I wanted. I want Cocoa Pops. I wanted Frank and French. Frank and Barry. All that stuff. I mean, there's a reason why all that garbage is like, it's so addictive, it's so delicious. You know, and it's clearly targeted for young people. Clearly. Yeah, I mean that paper that I talked about, and I think, you know, it's in that list, that'll give Jamie, but it basically says, this is the whole thing. They make tremendous short-term profits for their shareholders, and that's how they do it. So, yeah, it's clearly financially driven. You can't blame them. I mean, this is what any business wants to do. This wants to be successful. Exactly. So it's about making money like everything is really. Yeah, that's what they do. I think the cutting the bullshit out is the biggest factor in this whole [10:08] carnivore diet thing. I really do. I mean, I definitely think there's obviously meat itself regardless of the bullshit and the propaganda. Meat is the most nutrient dense food you can eat. All this crap, well they say that meat causes cancer. If meat causes cancer, most people would have cancer. 95 plus percent of the population on Earth eats meat. And all this propaganda you hear about, you know, you're gonna get cancer, you're gonna get diseases, they're gonna go out all these different things. It does not seem to be the case in people that just eat meat. When you're looking at my experience, I have not, and again, anecdotal. I've never met anybody that went on this diet that didn't have a positive result. Everybody that I know that goes on this diet, now clearly there's genetic differences. Some people have, well, definitely there's people [11:00] that have that Lone Star tick issue, where a buddy of mine has that. He got bit by a tick, and he developed an allergy to red meat. It's a real pain in the ass for him, and it went away. He had it for a year, and it went away, and it started to come back again. But that's rare. For most people, red meat is a very nutrient dense food. Yeah, that's absolutely clear. I mean, and your point is, if you get rid of the garbage, you're gonna have, you're gonna have a benefit, whatever that you go on, I think that's clear. And when we talk about, because you mentioned you're not totally strict, I am fairly strict, but I'm not religious about it. I don't sit there like, for instance, my son's birthday was, you know, a couple of days ago and Thanksgiving. I had a piece of pumpkin pie, man. So, you know, I hadn't had that in 10 years, but I'm like, you know, big deal, I didn't die, but it's not like I said, my diet literally is probably 98% red meat. I mean what I mean? Crazy. Well, the videos are hilarious if you eating steaks listening to vegan propaganda. [12:06] Just you have a big cutting board and a giant cleaver and you're slicing off pieces of tritip while you're watching vegan propaganda and smiling. Yeah, it's pretty fun to do that stuff and I definitely, you know, like I said, if there's anybody that has, you know, like I said, if I'm wrong, I mean, it'll be clear that I've been eating meat like significantly for many, many years. I've put a lot of that on video. But one of the interesting thing is, because the backlash you often hear is, what about cholesterol? Because I think that is a really important thing. I really wanted to talk about that. Yeah, awesome. I think you saw the thing about the Oreo cookie. Did you see that? Yes, I did. Yeah, let's talk about that. So anyway, there's a little backstory. And last time I mentioned a guy named Dave Feldman, and he was a guy that, you know, he's an engineer, a pretty smart guy, and he goes on out like a low carb, you know, higher fat diet in his cholesterol. He feels great. He's like, oh my God, everything feels great, but his cholesterol shoots through the roof, and he's like, freaked out about this stuff. And he starts looking into it very mechanistically and spending years and years and years studying this stuff. And finally puts together this [13:09] sort of theory. And it's still theory, but it's it's they're showing that there's a lot evidence showing that it's probably likely true called the lean mass hyperresponder. And there's something called a lipid energy model. And so what this Oreo cookie thing was is another guy's another researcher. He's a PhD Oxford he's getting he's also I'm finishing his medical degree at Harvard and his name's Nick Norwich and he basically said look this lipid energy model works like this when you cut carbs low and you get lean right your body says hey there's not a lot of energy in myself my liver glycogenism full my muscles artful of energy so I need to get energy there somehow. And so what happens is the liver starts sending fat out into the bloodstream, like to so you have energy to work, right? And so what he's showing is that if I just add Oreo cookies or some other energy dense, maybe junk food in there, the body will say, [14:02] hey, I've got plenty of energy now, so the liver shuts down. It doesn't traffic the cholesterol anymore. The triglycerides and the cholesterol. So that sort of validates what's going on here. But the question is, is it bad if my cholesterol is really high, but I'm fit. I'm lean. I don't have diabetes. I don't have prediabetes. I don't have insulin resistance. I don't have high blood pressure, you know, I'm otherwise metabolically healthy because you see these people. So you see their lean athletes, you know, they go on a diet like a carnivore diet or even a ketogenic diet and they're like, I feel great, it's the best I've felt in years, but my cholesterol's through the roof so I got to stop. And so that's the real question. So on December 8th, there's going to be a landmark study that's going to be presented by a guy named Matt Boudoff, who's a cardiologist at UCLA. I think he's one of the, he's attached UCLA somewhere. And basically what they did was they took 100 people, all who have sky high cholesterol. We're talking like total cholesterol, 500, 600, 700 milligrams per desk lay. [15:02] So enough to give your doctor a heart attack. You know you walk in there with your cholesterol, it's like 600, what milligrams per desk lay. So enough to give your doctor a heart attack. You know you walk in there with your cholesterol, it's like 600, what the hell? She's got all these patients there to that. They are all otherwise metabolically healthy though. None of them are diabetics, none of them have blood blood pressures, they're relatively lean. And what they did was they did high level CT&Gography of these people looking really detailed at how much plaques in their blood vessels. Then they're all older guys. They're average age like RH, like mid-50s, like mid-late-50s. So this is where you'd expect to start seeing heart disease. And when they did that scan, almost none of them had any level of significant, you know, vascular disease. They were like clean, clean arteries. And so, so what, and what they're doing is they're running them for a year and then they're going to repeat the study and say in one year has anything occurred. Now the criticism of that will be that it takes 20 years to do that. But Matt Bootoff is like the world leading expert on how fast vasculosus develops. So he's a guy that designed the study. He knows this stuff. [16:01] So he said a year will show us for sure if vasculos disease is going to occur. So what they're doing on the eighth is they're showing the preliminary data that shows all these people have almost no heart disease and they compare it to something called the Miami Heart data set, which is like the perfect data set for if you want to compare what's going on with vascular disease. And so in February they'll finish up the collection of data and then we'll get to see what happens after a year. Now, I suspect what will happen is they'll show no progression, little progression, or even reversal, which would be shocking because all these people are saying cholesterol causes heart disease. Because if you listen to guys like, because I know you get Peter on your Peter T on here and he says, look, it's just a matter of how much cholesterol over how much time, if it's high for a long period of time, you're gonna get heart disease. But if this turns out to be what I think it's gonna show which it like a little show, then that throws a monkey wrench in that whole theory because it's like, wait a minute, maybe it's a dependent variable. Maybe if you're not fat, out of shape, have high blood pressure and diabetes, that that [17:05] LDL cholesterol being high is not as much of a problem as we thought it was. That's paradigm shifting, honestly. Where did the theory of LDL cholesterol being bad for you come from? Well, that goes back into the... They started looking at cholesterol. This is in rabbits way back in the 1920s or something like that. They started feeding rabbits, high cholesterol diets and the rabbits got heart disease. Well, rabbits don't really eat heart disease. No, they don't. They don't. It's an unnatural diet for them. But they started looking at, you know, the associational data started out back in the 50s when Eisenhower had his heart attack and everybody's freaking You know, we saw rise in heart disease, you know, 1940s, 1950s. And it's been, you know, it's been a number one killer in Western population since then. And so, you got name Ansel Keys was one of the ones that sort of promoting that theory. They did, you know, associational studies where they say, well, look at these countries. They eat a lot of saturated fat and they have a high cholesterol and they die more commonly [18:02] out of heart disease. And so that basically data has been done over and over again. I mean, they've done Mendelian randomization studies, which there's some problems with those types of things. They've done studies where they can show that we can lower cholesterol and cardiovascular of these decreases. So we know that that's all premise behind statin drugs. Some people think it's a pleomorphic effect or it's like a side effect. Like maybe it's decreasing the inflammation. By decreasing the inflammation, you're actually improving heart disease. But there's been, I mean, there's a ton of evidence that would point to yes, that is what's going on. Now, what I would say is, again, you're looking at a general population and the other thing is all cause mortality. So clearly there's a lot of evidence to points to like normally they like your total cholesterol below like 190 LDL below 100 something like that. But if we look at like population studies and all cause mortality, cancer, heart disease, [19:01] dementia, infectious disease, so on and so forth, the people with higher cholesterol actually live longer. They're higher cholesterol actually live longer. They're the ones that live longer. And so the question is, maybe I won't get a heart attack, but I'm gonna get cancer instead because my cholesterol is too low, perhaps. Now the critics of that will say it's reverse causality. It's like, well, the only reason your cholesterol was low was because you had cancer, right? And cancer is making your cholesterol go down because cholesterol, LDL cholesterol and some of the other lipoproteins actually have a function that they participate in our immune response. So it's there for reasons, it's not just for the hell of it, right? We have our eyes and for this stuff. And so, you know, but there's a, I mean, there's a plethora of studies on this stuff. Some of it has been paid for by the pharmaceutical industries, which, you know, of course, there's a little bit of conflict of interest and some of that, you know, I would imagine. But again, if you talk to 99% of cardiologists, they'll be on board with this. But like I said, this sort of population, which we never studied, we have no date on these people, you know, it's like like if you go on a carnivore diet and jaw, and I know you've gotten lean, you feel good, probably your blood pressure is good, probably your glucose is good, is that [20:07] mean it's dangerous for you? And the answers we don't know yet, but this this study will shed a ton of light on this. And so this is coming out, like I said, preliminary data December 8th when Buddha presents to the big conference and then when they finish collecting the full data in February, and they'll probably publish that probably spring, summer, something like that. Are you aware of any of the results? I mean, we collecting the full data in February, and they'll probably publish that, probably spring, summer, something like that. Are you aware of any of the results? I mean, we're the preliminary data, right? And they're, I talk to the researchers and they're like, man, they know the results, but they don't want to share it because they don't want the cat getting out of the bag early. But we're gonna get it on December 8th. And basically it's gonna, what I think, I'm 90% certain what it's gonna show is, people with super high cholesterol that are otherwise super lean and healthy compared to the average population have less risk for cardiovascular disease based on this data. That's what I think's gonna happen. Now we'll know for sure on December 8th when buddhaf presents. There's also an issue with dietary cholesterol [21:02] and what dietary cholesterol, how it shows up in the body people have this assumption That when you consume dietary cholesterol it raises cholesterol that you can measure in the blood. Yeah, that's that's been shown to be completely In fact 2015 USDA said no cholesterol does not cause Elevated cholesterol in the blood. That's been shown up because now Which is fascinating was just fascinating withdrawal does not cause elevated cholesterol in the blood. That's been shown not because now it's fascinating. Which is fascinating. But they'll say what they will say is saturated fat, which often runs with cholesterol, because the only reason, the only place you get cholesterol is an animal product. And very often you'll get saturated fat and animal products. And so they'll say, but it's not the cholesterol, but it's actually saturated fat. But we know that saturated fat was demonized by the sugar industry. And that bullshit study that they put out in the 1960s, where they paid these guys the equivalent of $50,000 today, to lie. Yeah, I mean, that's clearly happened. It was Harvard University where they basically took a bunch of money to basically demonize fat and protect [22:00] sugar. And I think that's been going on for a while. Which is wild. The sugar industry bribed those doctors. and that information has been the basis that people have been making recommendations on forever on a fraudulent study and still to this day doctors will cite that not knowing it and when you tell them about it they're like what are you talking about and then you'll show it pull it up on google let's go huh what is this yeah like there's so many doctors that aren't aware that the demonization of saturated fat was specifically caused by these papers, by these doctors that were bribed. Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, it is crazy to think how much, you know, you'd think that science would be a quest to find the truth, or to explain the observations around us. But a lot of times science now is marketing. I mean, it really is. It's paid for. Companies are going to benefit from this. You think about a lot of these academic institutions. A lot of their funding comes through industry and they don't get funding if they don't get the results that they're getting paid for. [23:00] It's even more insidious than that because the people that are involved in the FDA Eventually go and work for these corporations, which is so wild when you see that happen and you go Oh my god, there's a clear revolving door. It's not like shell corporations or some secret hidden money Overseas no, it's like right in front of your face these people work for the government They make these laws government they make these laws And they make these recommendations and then they go on to get these incredible jobs So they get paid lucrative amounts of money. Yeah, gold per shoot's right. It's crazy. It's that that's legal It's not only I mean as you probably know like the FDA. I mean corporate capture I mean the FDA for new drug for new drug Approvals it's like 65% of that budget comes from the pharmaceutical industry itself. So they're paying to regulate themselves. And so it's like, so it's kind of creating. USDA is not any different, because we talk about our food stuff. I mean, these guys that go on to become, you know, big people in the USDA often do the same thing. [24:01] They'll go into these food companies and they'll have the same sort of situation. And so, dirty business. Yeah, here's, I'll tell you, here's an interesting thing. So I've been trying, so like Harvard recently came out with a study, nonsense epidemiology that red meat is contributing to diabetes, increased the risk for diabetes, right? Yeah. And this is a study done by Harvard. Walter Willett has been the chair. He's been vegetarian. He's been conflictive for years. But basically what they did was they said, well, we're gonna count Lasagna as red meat. We're gonna call it sandwiches as red meat. And the people that eat red meat are overweight, they're smokers. We didn't really correct for that. But the headline is, red meat causes diabetes. Meanwhile, you got a study that Harvard did three years ago with David Ludwig, he says, look, these people are eating nothing but red meat. And their diabetes is going away. How can those two things coexist? Well, what I'm trying to do is get an intervention study done. So I, you know, it's kind of mentioning because this is how far what I think the problem is. So I went to something called the NCBA. This is a national catamask beef association. [25:02] This is supposed to represent all the cattle producers in the United States, right? And there's something called the beef checkoff. You remember that beef that's what's for dinner? You remember that thing? It was like Robert Mitchen back in 92, and then I think Sam Malley, they got great voices, right? You know, beef is what's for dinner. That type of thing. This is what they're supposed to do. So like every time a cow moves in the United States, like if you're a cattle ranch and you sell your cow you got to pay a dollar. If it goes to a, you know, if it goes to a slaughter, so it's got to pay a dollar, if it goes to a feed yard, it's got to pay a dollar. So this is, so every year and there's like roughly we slaughter about 34 million had a cattle every year and you think about India There's like they're all vegetarian and eating cows. They export most of that, but they have they have the biggest Hurt a cattle in the world in India. There's 300 million had a cattle in India. That's insane. I thought So United States are sacred that well they are in some in some parts of India, right? [26:02] But they they actually slaughter more cattle in India than we do in the United States. And they export most a lot of it. There's something like Southern India, they still eat a little bit of beef. In fact, there's a lot of carnivores in India right now. It's kind of crazy. I did conferences in India, and it's just like, wow, it's kind of a growing movement down there. But back to the point, So we've got this beef check-off system. So every can of us is a pay-a-buck, right? And then so at the end of the year, they collect $30, $40, $50 million a year. It's supposed to be to promote beef, like beef it's what's her dinner to do research and all that stuff. And so the US Catalman's Association, which represents the cattle producers, but the NCBA represents cargo and Tyson and the packing things. And so there's a little conflict between that. But they have all the money. And I went to those guys to the beef checkoff and I said, hey, look, we want to spend a little bit of money to do a study on beef versus diabetes. Because we know the results are going to be. The people are going to go on and all meat diet or close to all meat diet. Their diabetes is going to go away. It's simple and it takes all the confusion out. Cause whenever you do a, you know, you realize dietary studies is like, [27:06] oh, but you was eating hamburgers and french fries and there's all this confounder. So it's like, you can't really test it. I'm like, the perfect way to test it meat is healthy or not is to just put them on a damn carnivore diet and see what happens. It's the only way to test it don't account for sugar, sugar, right? Cola, bread, pasta, lasagna. That's exactly what Harvard did recently. They didn't account for sugar intake when they said, beef causes diabetes. You gotta be kidding me, you're not even counting sugar. That's so crazy. But they get this published, and this is really bad science. And guys like John and Idis, who's one of the most cited scientists in the world, has basically said, all this epidemiology we're just wasting money. It's not telling us anything. This is all garbage, but they keep doing it over and over again because they generate headlines. The headlines I want. But anyway, back to this beef checkoff thing. So I said, hey, look, every year you award money, hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars to promote beef. [28:00] I said, let's get a little bit of money to do a research study on diabetes. And they literally said, now we're not interested in doing that. And I'm like, you got to be kidding me. The beef industry is taking a beating right now. You know, you listen to it. It's like, you know, everybody wants to get rid of beef. It's their cowfarts are boiling the oceans. And yeah, it's going to kill you. It's going to give you cancer, which all of it is largely nonsense. And this is, in my view, this type of study would clearly, clearly demonstrate that not only does beef not cause diabetes. In fact, I talked to the CEO of the NCAA two years. I sat down, I was presented in front of the California Catalyms Association. And literally the president of the Association stood up and said, I went on a carver diet and cured my diabetes. It's like, yeah, it's clear. And the guy said, yeah, I get it, we're gonna help you out. We're gonna get this going. I didn't hear nothing from these guys. So what I think is going on is the USDA kind of oversees all these check-offs. And they just kind of say, look, you can't say that. Because we want to promote, you know, they're on the board and they're like if we promote this one food and people stop eating all this [29:08] processed food, right? Then what are we going to do? We're going to lose a lot of money. You think about it, you know, not that I'm advocating that everybody on a carnivore die because I don't think that's, I don't think it's necessary from, you know, for one, but if you significantly cut back on all those people consuming all this garbage. What does that do economically to this country? I mean, you think about how much money is spent on garbage food, the drugs that are needed to be treated. You're talking, I mean, we spent $4.3 trillion a year on health care in this country, and what do we get for it? We got one of the second populations in the world, our life expectancy is going down. Everybody's fat. Everybody's depressed, everybody's on drugs, that's crazy. It is crazy and it's crazy that they don't look to diet as being the primary cause of that. Or if they do, they look to these epidemiologists studies that don't take into account exactly what you're reading with the meat. Why is it meat that's always demonized? [30:02] Well, I think for a number of reasons. One, if you go back to like, diatetics in the beginning, like back in 1917, the American diatetics association was formed. This was formed literally by seventh-day Adventists so that from the very, very beginning, the creation of the nutrition science field, the seventh-day Adventists who are, you know, religiously vegetarians, you know, you go go back to the Kellogg's brothers, John Harvey Kellogg, where he's out there, circumcising females and saying, we can't eat meat because it's gonna make you have sex and make you have lust and masturbate. This is all like this religious stuff. And then it got good people. People don't know that, but they should know that he developed this serial, this bland serial, to discourage masturbation, which is one of the wildest things I have ever heard. Yeah, that guy was a wacko, man. He was in their freaking gift booth. He was giving himself high pressure animas every day. He was just like fucking 20 gallons of men and animas to cause he thought that was real thing. He was a wacko, he was a really nutty guy. You read about some of this. 20 20 gallon animals. It was some ridiculous, like, super high capacity, like a super-soaker on steroids thing. [31:07] Just, oh, our animals are bad for you because I've always wondered if your internal gut, the fallora, is important and it is. Isn't that getting washed out? I think the sub-degree it is. I don't know that anybody's really looked at it from that angle, but I think in some cases, like, you know,, some people got some problems with constipation, it could be helpful, but I don't think it's generally a healthy practice for most. But I know those people that are like like putting words up up their butt, man, it's just kind of, yes, like, I think it's good. It might flushed out. It might, it might. But also makes you see everything come out of you, I guess. I've never done it. But apparently Apparently there's a tube and they look at it, oh look here's your problems. Yeah, it's kind of like these, there's this thing these crazy vegans do where they consume like this charcoal and this jelly and stuff and this kind of gruel mix and then it kind of like fills up their intestines and they poop it all out and they say that's clearing out all my intestines. [32:00] I can't remember what they call up, but it's like there's these crazy crazy videos where they just pull on all this like gelatinous black stuff out of their butt, but it's like you just ate all that stuff. That's what's coming out of you You know look all the toxins exactly You just ate the same stocks With that term like releasing the toxins. Yeah, you know, they really think that that's what's happening when you sweat You get in the sauna you're releasing the toxins, like what, you're sweating. Your body's regulating your heat temperature. Yeah, that's what's going on. You know what clears your toxins, your fucking liver. That's what that thing's for. Yeah, liver kidneys. We got a pretty good detox system for sure. Yeah. You don't need all the smoothie, juice fast, detoxes, it's like somebody people are detoxing when they're teeth fall off, they're detoxing your teeth. Well, the other thing is with the smoothie thing is my god, you're getting so much sugar and you're getting it in a weird form. Yeah. If you're in eating fruit smoothies, you're getting you're getting sugar in a very unnatural form. Fruit juices, we just think that fruit juices are [33:01] really good for you. Most doctors would agree that fruit juices are very high in sugar. And to get it in that sort of liquid dose where it just goes right in your fucking bloodstream and your liver, that's a lot of sugar, man. Well, you think about it because you're out hunting all the time and when you go on out and you're like, if I had to get food out here, what would I have available to eat? I can tell you what you wouldn't have all this process food, but particularly like powder. Like we make powdered sugar, we make powdered flour, and we combine them together, but we've changed the nature of the food so much that it's interesting. I saw Darius and was a foreign who's a researcher at Tuftu. He's got to put out the study that says, or was part of the study that said, you know, like, lucky charms are healthier than them. And you saw that last year that's told to be us, right? Hilarious. But one thing he did point out was like, over the last 20 years or so, we haven't really been eating much more calories than we were. Like from the 1960s to about 2000, we ate more calories and maybe that explains where [34:00] everybody got fat. But since that time, we really haven't eaten much more, but we've eaten so much more ultra-process food. In fact, right now the US diet is close to 70% ultra-process, which you think about. It's like crazy, and our kids are getting fat. But one thing that's interesting is like, because you're talking with a microbiome, right? Our gut flora. When you eat like whole food, it goes farther down your digestive track and then our microbiome actually consumes something. Up to 22% of our calories can be consumed by our microbiome. But when you're just eating sugar, it goes straight in you. So those calories, your gut microbiome doesn't get any of that. It's like you're absorbing more calories. So just by changing the quality of the food, you're changing how many calories you absorb. And that is what some people say is part of what leads to this obesity thing. But we know like for instance, well here's another thing. USDA came out with a study like I don't know three months ago. 91% processed food diet is healthy. You know, this is what they're pushing trying to get us because they're trying to position us to say [35:01] this is the USDA put it out. It was probably, I think it was the Nova Study. I think I might have that on there, Jamie, but it's basically, because there's some, there's starting to be backlash against ultra-processed fruits. I mean, like South America is starting to ban the stuff, which I think, I'm not for banning food. I mean, I think that gets into freedom of choice and things like that. So you shouldn't be, just like you can still smoke if you want to. You know, it's not the best for you, so you don't want to do that. But at the same point, you know, they're saying like this stuff is, there's a lot of backlash. Like people might myself and probably you and others are saying, look, this ultra-process car was just literally killing us. It's making us crazy, it's making us depressed. All these people with mental health disorders, a lot of nutrition is part of that and we can talk about that. But what they're seeing is there's a backlash against that. Yeah, so that's a no but no. Dietary guidelines meet NOVA, developing a menu for a healthy dietary pattern using ultra process food. Yeah, so they're basically saying, hey, how do we make people eat more processed food [36:03] and make it quote unquote healthy? And they showed that they can make a diet that's like 91% ultra-processed foods and still be quote-unquote healthy. Look at its size here. So, the purpose of this proof of concept study was to determine the feasibility of building a menu that aligns with the recommendations for a healthy dietary pattern from the 2020 DGA and includes a over 80% what is that KCAL? What's that? Killa calories? Killa calories from UPF, ultra-process foods as defined by NOVA, designed to accomplish this objective. We first developed a list of foods that fit NOVA criteria for UPF, ultra-process foods, fit within a dietary patterns in the 2020 DGA and are commonly consumed by Americans We then use these foods develop a set with it. What is that 7D? Was that mean 7 day 7 day 7 day 2000 kilocalorie menu Modelled on the my period mid sample menus and assess this menu for nutrient content as well as for diet [37:05] Diquality using the healthy eating index. The results in the ultra-process DGA menu that was created 91% of the kilocalories were from ultra-process food or NOVA category 4. The HEI-215 score was 86 out of a possible 100 points. The sample menu did not achieve a perfect score due primarily to excess sodium and an insufficient amount of whole grains. This menu provided adequate amounts of all macro and micro-nutrients except vitamin D, vitamin E, and co-lean. Conclusions, healthy dietary patterns can include most of their energy from ultra-process foods still receive a high Diet quality score and contain adequate amounts of most macro and micro nutrients boy Right, so remember USDA the guys that go there lay leave USDA and they go sit on on the board of directors at Nabisco and PepsiCo [38:02] And so this is really I think what this is, it's positioning us as a society to accept that ultra-process foods are our food. It's really human pet food. I mean, you see what happens to our pets. Yes. And everybody's fat, so we're gonna say, well, it's okay if it's okay if you eat your human dog chow or your human chow. Just keep doing that. Don't ask questions. And oh, by the way, here's an exemptic shot or a semi-glutite shot. Well, some aglutite shot will give you to kind of keep you chilled out. So it's really, I mean, it's almost sinister in a way. It's very bizarre. It's very bizarre that this is unchallenged and that shows you how captured our food industry really is. The fact that that's not challenged, the fact that our health guidelines aren't set on, hey, what you should be eating is what human beings are designed to eat in nature. Yeah. Well, I mean, which is real food. I mean, you know, my opinion on dietary guidelines, because we have a USDA that means every five years in, by the way, so the USDA dietary guidelines found that you see there's a physician from from Harvard named Fatima Stanford, right? She went on 60 minutes and said, [39:10] obesity has nothing to do with diet. It has nothing to do with exercise. It's all disease and genetic and there's nothing you can literally do. And really, and she's also sponsored by novenor discs who makes ozemic, right? And she's on there. And she's also a member of the US Dietary Guidelines panel. So 95% of the people that sit on the US Dietary Guidelines panel today for this next one, whether they're gonna come up for the 2025 guidelines, all have financial ties to processed food companies. Which, I mean, you think about it, it's just like, this is crazy. So, so if you go to like Brazil like Brazil's dietary guidelines or at least one day released a few years ago It was like here's what you should do Cook at home Don't eat processed foods and and eat with people around that let this you love that that's there literally that is their recommendation Which I think is better than our guidelines because you know, I mean if left our own you know [40:01] I mean we are now being told we got to eat all this garbage and it's just making us, it's just making us sick, it's crazy. And I think, you know, like, you know, I mean, it's like, this is the most, can you remember a time, because you and I grew up the same time, we're like, I turned 57 in six weeks, and you're like, so we grew up the same fucking shows because there was nothing else on right? There's about the CBS ABC NBC and maybe like PBS right maybe a local news station That's all you had so we're all watching Gilligan's Island and a Brady bunch and Duke's a hazards and Charlie's Angels and stuff like that and Everybody had the same thing, but now it's so fraction everybody's divided I mean, I don't know if I can't remember a time when this country's been more divided. I mean can you I mean it's just like every single issue Palestine time in this country has been more divided. I mean, can you? It's just like every single issue, Palestine, Israel, you know, COVID shot, not shot, climate change, no climate change. It's like everything's a war. It's like crazy. But I think part of that is, I mean, I don't think half people's brains work anymore. I think we're just so nutrient deprived. I think that's really true. And it sounds crazy to say because people, all that's not it. No, it's social media, it's this. [41:07] I think the mental health aspects of social media, which are significant. There's real mental health issues involved in these posts and commenting and seeking things that outrage you. I think it's exacerbated by people's poor physical health. Oh, sure, sure. It's, you know, I'm gonna go back to mental health a little bit. So there is a, another guy at Harvard's named Dr. Chris Palmer. He's a good dude. He's like an Indiana country boy, but he's at Harvard. And he just wrote a book called Brain Energy, where he talks about how nutrition, metabolism, significantly affect mental health disorders. And, you know, we've got something like 25% of Americans are on a drug for mental health, which is insane. It's like how do we make it through millions of years as a species, or hundreds of thousands years rather? What they've shown, in one study they showed that they took like 30 people that were in patient like psychotic, schizophrenia, manic bipolar disorder, major depressive disorder, and they changed their diet. [42:06] They put them on a clean diet, kind of a lower carb diet. And all of them, every single one of them saw a significant improvement in their mental health. And so, but what do we do now? If you go to rehab, drug rehab, or you put somebody in an institution, they just feed them garbage. And they just keep them perpetuating this horrible part of the hospital. Yeah, the hospitals are horrible. Hospital is terrible food. They give you garbage, they give you little fucking things, applesauce, cheeseburgers. Yeah, they pancakes with syrup and orange juice and some jello, like the crappy jello that they were taking. Yeah, it's all bad for you. You don't get grass fed steak. No, no, no. It's fiber. This is another thing that always comes up when I tell people that I eat only meat. What about fiber? Yeah. Yeah, so that's a good topic. And so what I would say is fiber is conditionally beneficial. So if you're eating a standard diet, yeah, if you put put fiber fiber really is a marker for [43:06] Diacquality right so if I'm if I'm some poor guy and I'll meet in this potato chips and cookies I don't get a lot of fiber if I got a little more money I'm probably buying the fruits and vegetables probably out of guilt, but it but it generally represents higher socio-economic status Better overall die quality and I think it's beneficial in that situation, but if you go like, is it providing anything that I can't get from me? So there was a study that got him Tommy Wood and the other research that was maleer. I can't remember her first name is female. They did a study looking at what happens to the microbiome because we're always hearing, oh, you need fiber to feed your microbiome, right? You need those short chain fatty acids. You need the butyrate, the butyric acid. Well, they looked at that and they said, look, the gut has, our gut has incredible metabolic flexibility. And so even in the absence of fiber, you can get the same short protein fatty acids from protein. You can get it from being a low carb state where you have, [44:00] you know, more ketones being produced because, you know, the main ketones in our blood is called beta hydroxybutyrate, which is very similar to butyric acids. Only one hydroxylmolycalaway, and it reverses all the time. They indicated that we don't need fiber for that particular aspect. The other thing, there was a recent study because I see, well, I see so many autoimmune conditions. I know you've talked to Jordan and McCale, and you've seen these crazy autoimmune conditions, which I've seen in the thousands now. It's crazy, like Crohn's disease, all sorts of colitis, psoriasis, rheumatoid arthritis, eczema, asthma, anything. That there was a study looking at fiber actually exacerbating problems with rheumatoid arthritis because of its interaction with a particular bacteria called pre-vitella, copriol, I think, or something like that. And so we're seeing, yeah, so high-fibreduide synergizes and exacerbates rheumatoid arthritis. So basically, you know, it's showing that, yeah, I mean, there can be problems with [45:01] fiber for a lot of people, particularly if they have these issues. issues and so when people say that fiber is beneficial what they're essential said essentially saying is that if you have a poor diet if you have a diet that's rich in ultra processed foods and garbage fiber would be beneficial to you because it would help what does it do it help well i think it's i think it's i think it's a place in the garbage off the plate right so if you uh-huh if you load your plate up with fruits and vegetables, which I think generally, I'm not a guy that says vegetables are trying to kill you and nobody should. I know there's other people. It's kind of funny. The car you talk about cults and car was kind of become a cult. It's not because of me. I'm like, I tell people, hey, we're omnivores. This is a therapeutic protocol. Use have at his fine. I'm not gonna, but I'm, but, but what I think was happening with fiber in a lot of ways, and because this fiber goes back to, uh, what's the researcher's name of blackin' on his name, he had a cancer named after him. But anyway, from 1920s, 1930s, goes to Uganda in Africa and notices like, oh, these people are fat and sick like they are in England and, uh, Burkett, Dennis Burkett's so he has his name. And he says, well, oh, they're eating a lot of fiber. But they weren't also, they weren't eating a lot of sugar. [46:07] And they weren't eating a lot of garbage like they were in the UK. Cause sugar's been around, since about the 1600s and progressively has increased. I mean, the US right now, it's kind of interesting. Like compared to like the 18 they're eight, by the time they're eight years old, the average eight year old has eaten more sugar than somebody would have eaten in their entire life. You know, and that's just the normal kids. You see some of these kids are just like, I mean, I got, Jay, I got a picture. I got to show you this is so incredible. Jay, there's a gal before and after picture. We got this food addiction stuff. So I interviewed a gal. She was 800 pounds, right? It's like, how do you get to 800 pounds? It's like impossible. I don't think I could do it if I tried, right? I mean, I don't, you know, food added. I couldn't stop eating chocolate and ice cream and all that stuff. And this is her. [47:00] Wow. She's almost 800 pounds or 350 kilos, which is the most I've ever dived lifted so that's kind of an interesting way but 22 months she goes on carnivore right I interviewed her a while back and she's now lost almost 500 pounds on carnivore when nothing else would work for her I mean she literally I mean she told me it was like I finally found the off switch She tried weight watcher. She tried like gastric bite, you know, band surgery, she tried vegan diets, she tried juicing, she tried weight watch, she tried everything you could think of but could never stop, stop it. And finally for the first time in her life, she's like, I finally found freedom from this food addiction. And you know, recent studies show that that other guy in the hat, this is a funny guy, this guy in the hat right there, his name is, oh, what's his name? I'm Lincoln, I was a tot. He's a dude out in Montana, right? He was 770 pounds, right? Same sort of situation. Start drinking coaks when he was 14 years old. I'm doing an interview and he goes, yeah, I saw him. I didn't know he was and he starts something. He goes, yeah, I was 14. I was 600 pounds. Well Like what? 600 pounds at 14. It's like how the hell can you get the 400? But you [48:05] know, they're poor family and his mom and sister and everybody's in the family is, you know, very obese and they had tried gastric bypass and it didn't work for them. But same thing with this kid. I mean, he's just like, I call him a kid. He's 40. He went carnivore for the first time in his life. He's like, I don't need the sugar and I don't need the Coke. He was drinking like 20 Coke today or some ridiculous stuff. And he just blew up and blew up and he could not stop until, and this is why one of the reasons I think, I think they know this. I mean the food industry knows are making addictive food. They clearly know that. In fact, I had a gal who worked for one of the major food manufacturing companies and her job, she was a chemist and her job was to design food to be as addictive as possible. She literally told me that. She goes, I can no longer get live with the guilt. I want to come work for you guys. And she was just so like just beside her. So she says she realizes what she's created with this epidemic of disease and suffering. I mean, because these people are suffering. Did you see that movie, the whale? Did you ever see that movie? I did not. [49:00] It's good. It says itching movie says it's the umbrella for Asia and he's like 700 pound dude It shows he's lives in his cow. He lives in his recliner He can't barely get up. He can barely go to the bathroom Refried your later next to him and his whole life is in this guy the same thing. He said he spent like He said he wasn't he fast in one time for 40 days trying to lose weight Just and he never left his chair. He let you just sat there for 40 days and didn't eat. Wow. Can you imagine that's like hell? That's like hell on earth. But now he's going back to work. He's getting out in the field and he's working on electrical work or something like that. But I mean, it's just the sugar in one way. There's people out there saying, it's not sugar is fine, so I'll see doils and stuff like that. But I think clearly there are people that are addicted to either sugar sugar or sugary foods. You know, it's like, you know, because you like, would you eat chocolate if there's no sugar in it? I mean, it's like, you know, that 100% dark is kind of like, yeah, have you tried that? I've just kind of grossed. It is. It's like the only reason you eat that stuff because of sugars in there. So people say, well, no one's known as mainlining bags of sugar. addicted to this stuff but- They'd mainline? Well, I mean, well, I mean, they just eat it out of the bag. Oh, so I don't know. It's kind of like they're not shooting at you. [50:06] No, I mean, they're not like heroin addicts. But I mean, they're like, you know, let's, because there are people that say they'll do that if they can't get anything else. And you just eat a bag of sugar, it would literally cause you going to deliver failure. So there is like an LD50 on sugar. So it is over what time period? Just like whatever, maybe a day or something like that. You know, if you just sat down and ate, you know, and some of these people, you see some of these, have you seen like, they call them fat fluencers like these body positive? I mean, it's the same thing. They're getting kickbacks to promote all this unhealthy behavior and unhealthy food. And they're going through what I eat in a day. And it's like, you know, everything. It's like Doritos and cookies and coaks and all the garbage that they're challenge down on. And you know, we got this whole, the body positivity movement is being funded by the process food industry. [51:05] I mean, if you didn't know that, I mean, it's like they've clearly... Directly. Directly. They're paying these people to do this. The other thing, process food, they're paying dieticians on social media also to recommend process foods. So it's just like, it's... I mean, it's clearly corrupt. It's so dirty. It's such a dirty, but it's like a war against your health. And they're the enemy, they're the propagandists. Well, and then they want to, you know, me seeing this stuff like, like, you know, they come off to you, they say, oh, he's a racist or he's a right-wing fast just or something like it because because you're like, I don't want to wing conspiracy? Do you see that stuff? Yes, it's like crazy. It's wild. It's wild, because some people will read that and people that are like extremely aversist being labeled right wing or being labeled racist or xenophobic or whatever it is. They're terrified of those labels. They don't want that smoke. [52:00] And so they see these things and it does affect the way they view the world. As ridiculous as sounds, it may be one article won't do it, but if you see enough of them over time, you will associate that activity with some sort of problematic label that could be put on you, which is incredible that we're so easily influenced. Some of us. Yeah, I mean, you know, I saw like, I know you've had Elon on, on certain Elon Musk on several times. I know he said us. Yeah, I mean, I saw like, I know you've had Elon, I'm certainly Elon Musk on several times. I know he said like, look, I was a middle of the road, dude. And that's me too. I was like, I'm just kind of middle. Let people live. I'm not political one way or the other. And all of a sudden, the whole spectrum is shifts way over. And it's like if you're not promoting like craz Your far right person. Yeah, I've always been left wing. Which is really crazy. But the left moves so far away from what the left used to be. And I am a right influencer. I've seen people label me as an alt-right person. I'm like, that is so wild that they can do that with a straight face. Because I've always said, hey, [53:02] maybe we should look in a universal basic income. Maybe we should look in the basic income. Maybe we should look into universal health care. I think education should be free. I think we should subsidize the schools and we should fix the roads and we should fucking fix inner cities and we should, if you're going to use tax dollars, that's, that, and if I thought my tax dollars were being used very appropriately in that way, I'd be 100% in favor of all that stuff. If I thought it really was an overall benefit to society, the problem is bureaucracy and big government is insanely inefficient. Like if you were talking about, if there was some sort of private industry and the private industry only profited if something was successful. And they got involved in these particular activities. If they got involved in education, if they got involved in dietary health, in the only way they were profitable is if their methods were effective because there's a free market. That would probably work. But when you get the government involved, all it does is make the government employees [54:03] more wealthy, it makes the government larger, and it makes them protect that industry. We covered that with the homeless thing in California. If you're not aware, there's people that are working on the homeless. There's like a shitload of them. And some of them are making a quarter million dollars a year. And they are not putting a fucking dent in it. They're not effective at all. In fact, the only thing that I saw that was effective at all in stopping the tense in the home situation was when Gigi-Ping, this guy, they fucking cleaned it up like that. Like, you could have done this the whole time. What do they do to those people? Where did they put those people? I don't know, but what are they gonna do now? Now that Xi Jinping is gone, are they gonna like take down the fences and let people camp again? Like you showed that the overall quality of life of the people that live in that city is not important to you. What's important is the view, the optics, when a fucking dictator comes in visits, which is so wild. [55:01] Yeah, I saw the governor Gavin News, and I think he's gonna run for it. I think I'm saw, you know, the governor and Gavin Newsom, I think he's, I think he's going to run for, I think I'm just weren't, you know, I tried not to get political, but I'm just like, what's going to happen in the next election? I mean, is Biden even going to be able to run? I think at this point, they kind of have to run him unless he dies. I don't, we don't have, we have one year now. We're in November. We're in late November. We have less than a year Like what it how what are they gonna do? I mean you could look if Biden died tomorrow and Then what do they do with Kamala Harris? They're gonna put her on the moon like what are they gonna do? She's the vice president So if he dies she becomes the president which is fucking wild when you hear that lady talk What if what if like Biden says like in I don't know may says you know I'm I'm just not feeling up to it and then and then they say come all is now the president she's the first female president and then she steps down at the convention and they said let's give it to Newsom I mean you think that's a plausible scenario is possible but it would be a real problem for [56:01] people that are common Harris supporters and believe it or not, they exist. Yeah, but I mean, I'm sure the Democratic party is just like calculating how big it is. How big is this and what's the thing? I think they have fucking no cards. And they're looking at this game. And I don't know, I think they're depending upon party loyalty and they're depending upon Trump getting convicted and arrested. I mean, in prison, rather. I don't know if that's going to happen. I don't think it is. It doesn't seem to do. It seems like it's a bunch of Trumped up charges. No pun intended. Yeah. I mean, I just, again, I'm not a political commenter. I'm not an expert. It does seem like really like, why are they going after him so hard right now when they could have done it, you know, like the, whatever, the hotel thing or the valuation of the property from 20 years ago. It's bananas, right? The valuation of the properties. So obvious. So off what it should be. $18 million from Mar-a-Waga, I fucking buy it. I fucking buy it immediately. That shit was $18 million and you were the only one that was able to buy it, you'd be a fool not to scoop it up because you could sell it right away. [57:06] You could get alone and you could sell that bitch right away for who knows how much. I mean, I think Forbes valued it. I think it was like well over 700 million and Trump thinks it's worth over a billion and he might be right. That's what's crazy. It's a giant piece of property in one of the most valuable pieces of land in all of America. I mean, a house next to them, down the street, a much smaller place, sold for 50. Yeah, so it doesn't make sense of the relationship. It doesn't make sense if you want to look at banana public, republic tactics. Yeah, yeah. I mean, when you're imprisoning and trying to convict your political opponents, which is the problem with that is, even if you think Donald Trump is a crook, even if you think that he should be arrested, this sets a precedent for future presidents. If we get someone who is not just Donald Trump, who has a lot of people in the center that say, hey, his economic policies were effective, his foreign policies were effective, even if I think he's a jerk, [58:01] maybe that would be better to have a jerk run the country in a way that's better overall than what's being done right now. Even if you looked at that, what if someone further right than him steps in? What if a war breaks out? What if things get even crazier? What if nationalism really upticks? Then you have someone who is now in power that is far right like has happened all over the world. If that happens and that person, if that person has been set for prosecuting your political opponents and going after them with trumped up charges, we have a horrible situation. And that's one of the reasons why we have to stick with the rule of law. We have to stick with the way this country was founded on. These principles were set up because they wanted to mitigate corruption at its base level at every step of the way. They wanted to stretch it out so no one could be an authoritarian dictator in Run America. Yeah, because you talk about the backlash because you saw like, like, recently in Argentina, you know, that is a libertarian one and then just in the Netherlands, which is kind of [59:02] interesting because they were like, and the Netherlands are trying to get rid of cows. They're like, oh, these cows are farting, they're killing the atmosphere and the farmers were like, we don't like this and so they had this, I guess is PVV or PPP party, freedom party, and they won that by a landslide. So when you saw in Italy, Maloney takes over. And you kind of like, I don't know. I mean, day to day to me, it doesn't really affect me that much because I'm not like a political crazy person. But I'm just like, how does it affect my day to day stuff? I mean, a little bit of the COVID stuff. I was a little annoyed by that. I don't know. I know. I know. I know. I don't know when it was going out there. I just kind of saw some of the craziness there. And I know that's a really sensitive issue, but you know. It's sensitive, but it shouldn't be. It should be sensitive the other way. You should, every one at this point in time should realize that we got hoodwinked. Everyone should realize that it was an overall net negative for children that got kept out of schools, masks, all the shit that we saw that went on. Forget about just the vaccines, the lockdowns, just what they did, the closing of businesses, [01:00:11] the essential businesses that they had big chains labeled as essential. But these small mom and pop stores were forced to go under. People had worked their whole lives to develop these businesses and they took them away from them and it's fucked up And the fact that no one is outraged still and that this narrative has been allowed to be portrayed through the the mass media that this isn't a major problem and that this cannot happen again like this is fucking madness Yes, like you wait you said I'm wearing here. This is from my jujitsu coach, this guy's from Greg Anderson. He was a, he was a, I know that dude. I follow him on Instagram. He's a good guy. So he, uh, special forces, special operations, rather army range, or 14, 15 tours overseas, comes back as a Seattle cop and during the pandemic, and they're like, hey, you need to go arrest this lady for doing people's nails at her home. And he's like, I'm not doing that. This is total bullshit, right? [01:01:06] And he made a video and it went viral. Yeah. And the cops, the Seattle police commission said, Hey, Greg, we agree in principle what you're saying, but you got to take down a video. Like we, and he just said, no, fuck you. I'm not going to do it. So they fired him. And so he got like like a go-fun me page and he raised much money and he opened a jujitsu suit in a cross-fit gym. He's like, I make more money now as a good jujitsu guy that I ever did as a cop. He's great online too. He's very wise. He's a guy and he always beats my ass whenever I roll against him. He always arm-arrogate that motherfucker man. Of course. This is like, fuck. Well, that's the process. Yeah, exactly. I mean, one day you'll be doing that to people. You stay healthy. Hopefully if I stay healthy. And that's what the stem cells were for. Yeah, exactly. Well, I appreciate that. I guess we may chat about that. So you've been doing injuries with stem cells. Yeah, that I was told needed surgery. Yeah, that's, that's the answer to things. [01:02:06] I'm an orthopedic surgeon, right? I'd operate them. I replace knees and hips and shoulders and all that stuff over the years. And the orthopedic, it's surgery, orthopedic, Academy says stem cells don't really work. And so, but the question is, is it because, again, there's a conflict of interest there? Because if because if you're not getting surgery because you're getting stem cells, I'm losing out on shoulder arthroscopy money, right? So I mean, there's a little bit of conflict of interest there. So I go in it with a little bit of skepticism, but I'm open-minded and we'll see. Like I said, if I notice, because I want to get back to rolling, I mean. I think he is, you have to not roll for quite a while. Yeah, well, I'm planning on, like I said, I got one of those Iron Neck deals. I mean, you're a fan of that and I talked to the guy Robert, I think, is the head of that company. And it's pretty cool I was doing it in the hotel room this morning. But I mean, it was just like, I want to, because I got a long neck. I don't know if you can tell I got a pretty long neck and wrestlers bridges and like neck bridge and start bench pressing with the lead on [01:03:08] there but I hadn't done that in years you know because I was like yeah so then you know when I got into Jitsu and I've been doing you know two two years into it basically then I just got dumped man I was just like you know we're talking about that it's got landed my head dropped on my head and flexed under me and my, because I'm about 250 to 60. And the other guy was like, I don't know, 220. And it's just like that combined weight. It's just like, it's a lot of weight. Yeah, so it's one thing. So I want to. Nexer real problem. John John Machado always said, never trust your neck. Yeah, so that's his. So my back to just doing some like drilling and stuff like that, but not the actual live rounds for a while. But, yeah, you just have to avoid aggravating it while it happens. My buddy Shane Dorian, who's a big wave surfer, he just went down to the CPI in Tijuana, and they can do some wild shit down there. And they inject, because that's part of the problem with it not being completely approved by the FDA, [01:04:05] is they're limited in their application. But in Mexico, they're not. And so they've had tremendous results. And they inject directly into the discs. They put you under anesthesia. They inject you directly into the discs and they told them, don't I want you doing anything for eight weeks, nothing. You're walking. that's it. No, nothing's straining. That's hard to do. It's hard to do, but it's important. It's so hard for guys like you and I that work out all the time, but it's so important. And one of the things that I realized, I was getting a lot of stem cells in my left knee, in particular, I had a torn MCL, and I just wasn't letting it heal properly. I would get the stem cells and then four weeks later I'd go back to Moitin. I'd be smashing the bag and kicking the pads and then my knee would swell up again and I was like fuck and I was thinking god damn it. I don't want to get surgery and then I would go back again get more stem cells do it again and then I finally got the stem cells and I said okay I am going to take a year off of kicking and I didn't do any kicking at all for a year. [01:05:06] Now, it's back to full strength. I have no problems with it. I'm slamming the bag, no problems, it doesn't hurt. It's still I'm missing Miniscus in there because I had it scoped in 2003, I believe it was. So there's a chunk of, I had a bucket of handle tear, it was a real problem. It was a nasty Miniscus tear that I had. So they removed some meniscus which can contribute to arthritis if you're not careful. But it just gets a little sore sometimes. But the structure is not a problem at all anymore. And I did a lot of that knees over toe stuff. You know, that guy's amazing. He's amazing. And I love that he puts all that information out there for everybody. He just lets you know for free, he shows his mom doing it, he shows how he had all these knee surgeries and all these problems and now he can dunk, he can run, he can sprint, do all these different things. So I started incorporating all those knees over toes things, [01:06:00] the Nordic curls, the tip bar raises. My knees are significantly stronger than they've been in years. Yeah, I do some of the backwards stuff that he does. I've got a hill up my house is about 80 meters could you still do a right rear hill sprint, still do that stuff? No, I haven't done those, but I do a lot of sled work. I do a lot of pushing the sled and I still run a little bit. I do, I have one of those treadmills that are self propelled. Yeah, like an arc one in it. Yes, those are great. Those are great. I've got one. I've got one in the garage. Because you're on the ball of your foot. It's, you know, it's fairly cushioned and that doesn't irritate me at all. Yeah, it's supposed to sort of, I guess, provide better feedback for better correct running technique. Yeah. It's like the salt air runner is one I've got it. Yeah, I think that's what I have to. And it's supposedly like I think it's 13% more difficult than running regularly. Yeah, I've heard it's a little harder. Yeah, so it's nice. So it gives you real good cardiovascular benefits and doesn't hurt my knees and it doesn't fuck with it. Do you run sprints? What do you do? I mostly just do distance, I'll do like time and keep my heart rate at you know in the high 140s, something [01:07:07] like that. What percentage of like when you say because you're doing, what percentage of your training is jujitsu versus striking, grappling versus striking? I haven't been doing much grappling lately so I've been doing more striking than that but it was mostly because of my knee because I just wanted to give it time off and now that it's better and then I was going through Elkhunt X season. Elkhunt X season, I didn't want to fuck anything up. Because, you know, when you Elkhunt, you have to, you know, you're doing 10, 12 miles a day and you're doing it in the mountains. So most of my work was I was doing rucking. I was doing a lot of farmers' carries. I was doing elevated treadmill with weight on my back. I was doing a lot of things like that that is just designed, stair master, doing all the different knees over toe stuff, box steps, all these different things, just specifically to condition my legs for the mountains. And I didn't want to fuck my knees up, but that's over, so now I can go back to shit. [01:08:02] So I didn't. I was just wondering, you know, because you got a black belt, you've been doing it for 30 years or so. Forever. Forever, yeah. So you kind of like you figure out, like, I'm still in a learning phase. So I'm like, the biggest problem for me is like, I can't get into it enough as I want to hit that learning curve. And so I'm just like. and everybody loves to roll because it's so fun. Yeah, exactly. It's so fun. But really drilling and live drills, and especially if you get good training partners, good training partners are everything. Someone who gives you like 50% 60% resistance and then you go through a pass phase, you go through a guard pass phase or you go through a back mount phase, whatever your routine is that you do, just fucking do that over and over and over and over and over again. I made my biggest leaps when I was a blue belt because I'm good friends with Eddie Bravo. And he and I would drill twice a week. We would just get together and nothing but drill. Nothing but drill. And it made massive leaps in my improvement [01:09:02] because I was conditioned to hit those my body, knew what it's just like tying, he would describe it like tying your shoelace. You don't even think about tying your shoelace, right? You get it, once you know how to do it, and you just, it just does that. You want that with your jiu-jitsu techniques, and the way to get that with your jiu-jitsu techniques is to drill, just drill over and over and over again. Yeah, that's right. Just on white belts. Yeah, that's right. Because I find it like, you know, you go, because I'm still a white belt. I mean, because I just, I didn't, I don't go as much, but I mean, it's just like, when I go another white belt, it's like, it's like war. Man, it's just like, you know, right, right, right. the graces always say keep it playful. I try to play like I have my better roles with the with the higher belts like the black belts because they I mean because they know like they can dial it back in there. It's just kind of like they kind of let you work a little bit. So that's really and I always but I always try to get the harder ones because I'm like, you know, I'm like a big guy and I like, you know, that has a guard is so fucking dangerous. [01:10:05] That's why Fabrice over Doom was so dangerous because he was a heavyweight, a giant guy who had a lethal guard. Because it's so rare, because big guys can just get on top. They get on top and smash the smaller people. And that's fun. And so they do that more often than not. And it's very rare that you get a big guy that has really sharp sharp technique Most people say the best jujitsu to learn is learn jujitsu from a smaller person You learn jujitsu from you know like one of the Mendes brothers or Hoyler Gracie or someone who's a smaller person physically Marcel Garcia Yeah, so their technique is just sharp has to be it has to be you there's no options You can't muscle your way around things. How many times have you been caught in an arm bar, you just fucking yank your arm out? Yeah, it's a white belt putting on, I usually get out and you say, I like it because then I'm like, I'm gonna get out and land on you. Exactly. It's like, but if it's somebody good like Greg, where I was kind of figuring out, I was like pushing his lower leg down and catching it between my legs. I was doing that for a while and I was kind of defeating him a little bit, then he of course figured that out. [01:11:08] And still arm hard, me anyway. But that's what being a black belt's all about. How much does he weigh? He's 200-ish. So that's decent size. It's decent size, but you have a significant advantage over weight. I'm using like, I'm not like to 60 is right now. I use them about 250. I'm a little fat right now. You gotta learn how to not use that. And so counterintuitive. Well, what do you, they says is use it when you need it. I mean, there's times when strength is important. And you don't want to, it's like telling a fast guy, don't be fast. I mean, it's like, you want to use what you have to some degree. What learning and training is supposed to be about is drilling those techniques into your central nervous system. Drilling those techniques into your mind and your body so that when the opportunity arises, like when you hit an arm drag, your body immediately knows what to do. It's just instantaneous. It's not like, okay, I got the elbow and I pull. [01:12:02] Now what? It's just, yeah, I mean, that makes total sense because it's like, you know, like, it's kind of funny. Before I hurt my neck, I got all these data here videos. I'm like, watchin' them like, cause John, John, it's like he's funny. I mean, it's just like, you listen to talkin' on his videos and they'll just say such a good explain. He's such a good guy at describing what you're supposed to be doing, what you're supposed to be thinking, why you're doing it. And I enjoy that. But again, then you go to a live role, and you're like, wait a minute, it's changing too fast for me to keep up. You can't really pick something up. That's what drilling is so When you meet guys that drill versus guys that don't drill, it's a giant leap in their proven, the guys that drill. Another thing that really helps is teaching. When my friends who realize that they really love Jujitsu and they started teaching lower belts to make a living, they didn't want to do their job anymore, so they got a job teaching, private lessons. [01:13:02] Those guys got so much better. It's really incredible. It's extraordinary the leap that they make We got a job teaching private lessons. Those guys got so much better. It's really incredible. It's extraordinary the leap that they make because they're concentrating on the basics and they're explaining it to me, to people. So when they're explaining these things to people, it's like cementing it in their mind, like really carving those grooves deeply in their mind and their body. So their body knows exactly what to do in those situations. Yeah, we used to have a saying in surgery, C1, D1, T1. I mean, it wasn't exactly that, but I mean, if you could teach it, then you really had it down. A hundred percent. That's when I got really good at martial arts when I was teaching. When I was a kid, I started teaching very early on, my instructor realized that I had some potential. So he told me at a very young age, I think I was like 16 when I started teaching. He said, look, we need someone to teach white belts, you're good and you're very dedicated. If you teach, you can train here for free. So I was great. I was like, this is awesome. Not enough to pay dues. I'll have to do a show up and teach, which I love to do anyway. And it helped me. It made a big, I got big leaps in my improvement from teaching. [01:14:08] Yeah, it makes sense. You know what really shocked me is, because doing this carnivore stuff, a lot of people are reaching out to me. I had the first time I met a professional MMA guy, his name was George Carcane, and he thought it'd be a bellator. Yeah, very good fighter. And he goes, hey, would you mind if I came to your house and trained? I was like, yeah, sure, come on over and he's such an... I was like, this is a killer. These guys are assassins. I mean, their job is literally to beat people up, right? The nicest people I've ever met. I've been amazed at how to super nice all these guys. I've not met a lot of them now. And it's just like, I about you, Jitsu, is like, it puts the rest of your life in perspective, you go there, and literally, like someone's literally like trying to kill you, trying to kill you. If they choke you to death, you'd be dead. If they like, continue, you literally die. And so you're like, you're fighting for your life. And then the rest of life is like, well, at least I'm not getting, But the hardest thing you do is always the hardest thing you do. If the hardest thing you do is parallel parking, [01:15:05] like, I can't do it. It becomes a real issue. But if you're used to jujitsu, the rest of the life is easy. You know, you just try not to get your arm broken. You try not to, you know, like literally. I mean, how many people are running around all day where multiple times a day you're trying not to get your arm broken. Right. It's pretty rare. But in Jiu-Jitsu, it's insanely common. Yes, like ten times and a half an hour. So it's not a great bar. Also, it's such an insane stress reliever. And it's a moving form of meditation because it's so engrossing and it's so all-encompassing. You're all your thoughts are on that movement at that time. If you're training, you're rolling, all your thoughts are completely locked in. You're not thinking, fuck my electric bill, I forgot to pay it. Oh my God, I gotta do this. And what about the end of the month, I owe taxes? You're not thinking of any of that, actually. If you're thinking of any of that stuff, you're quickly gonna be choked. Yeah, it's to like, my, you know, my, my spouse is like, she sees me coming in my face, is all scratched up. I got black eyes. She's like, what the fuck are you doing? Doesn't [01:16:09] she, she doesn't compute her. But I'm like, it's so fun. It's just like it's so, there's such a positive trade off for that. And you only like the, like I said, I'm just thinking about for like, you know, think about longevity and stuff like that. like, yeah, if I get hurt, then I can't train and then that's going to have a negative impact on me. So it's kind of balancing that out so that you can still continue to do the things that keep you healthy and still enjoy this. The thing is training smart, finding good training partners. Like if you trained with Greg, I guarantee you it's safer than training with someone who's like a brute of a brutal. Yeah, he's never hurt me. You know, he's never hurt me. He's never hurt me, but he's submitted me like a gazillion times. Again, that's what being a black belt's all about. But if you can just find training partners like that and then also drill, you'll be able to train well. I mean, Ilial Gracie was training well into his 80s. But if you watched him train, he was training with his sons and they were just, they were [01:17:03] flow rolling. He's always going over the techniques, but there's no spiking them on his head. You know what I'm saying? It's like that, the problem is the actual chaos of rolling where knees get yanked and you know, fucking the backs get fucked up. That's where the problem lies. But if you can train smart and train with other people that are also dedicated to training smart, you can continue your improvement. Yeah, that's why I look forward to getting back out. I'm thinking probably with this neck thing, probably, you know, three or four months down the road. It's so addictive. I remember I was like, I guess I was probably like 27 or 28 the first time I got hurt and I went to a doctor and the doctor was like, well, you gotta stop doing jujitsu. I was like, okay, fix this. I'm getting right back in there. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. All I was thinking is how long do I have to recover from surgery before I can get back to rolling again? That's all I was thinking. I was not thinking, oh, I have to stop now. I was like, what? He was saying stop. I was like, stop what? Stop the one thing that keeps me sane. [01:18:07] Like, because, you know, especially if you're a person that deals with other high pressure things, it makes those other high pressure things so much easier. It really does. And it elevates your human potential. Like whatever you do in life will be easier to do because you do something that's so much more difficult than anything else. Yeah, so it's kind of like, you know, they're taking the cold, the cold plunge, the cold showers, like if I get up and do that, the rest is like you say you get first thing in the morning. First thing in the morning. So the rest of the day is downhill from there, right? Exactly. I get up and the first thing in the morning Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck pussy. Let's go. And then you get in there and I just stare at my stopwatch. I stare at the watch and I go, when three minutes is over, I'm gonna be so happy I [01:19:09] do this. And every time three minutes is over, I get out. I feel amazing. Yeah, because you got like, I think you got this crazy. Like you said, rapid river, like it keeps circulating water. It's called a blue cube. We have it in here. Yeah, that thing sucks, but it's awesome. But you don't have to have it on, you can turn it off, it's still cold, it's still cold as fuck. But if you really want to experience the stuff, the real suffer, crank that pitch up and it's a raging river. Yeah, it pushes the thermal air away from you. Yeah, and it's also like really well built, it's an awesome machine, I can't recommend it enough. Blue cubes are the shit. I also, at it enough, blue cubes of a shit. I also at my home I have a morasco forge, which is amazing too. I love it in one of those, yeah. It's great, it's cold as shit. The whole thing is just suffering. The whole thing is getting your body to adapt to this insane environment, making more brown fat, elevating your cold shock proteins, [01:20:00] and also ramping up your dopamine in a significant manner. When you get out of there, your dopamine ramps up for 200%, and it's like that for hours. I can't remember, like, well, I used to do ice baths you know, back way in the day, and I would sit in there for like 30 minutes. I mean, it wasn't as cold as it was, but I'd get out and I'd be euphoric. I mean, I would literally be like euphoria, it was like I'd shiver, but I'd be like, I was happy for like hours after this. That's what it is. I have a group of comedians that I'm running on like a little comedy, like comedy training boot camp. Get them on carnivore there. I am trying. Yeah. They're going to do it in January. Okay. I'm working them onto it now. We're on carnivore month, which is when I first did it. Yep. So I've got them now where they're co-plunging after workouts and eventually like within the next couple of weeks we're going to start with the co-plunge which is that's next level. That's when it gets hard. Then I'm saying look we go through, I start them off, every workout starts out with 100 body weight squats, 100 pushups. And I tell them if you can only do five do five you don't have to do a hundred You know like I'm doing sets of 20 if you want to do sets of five do five the most important things [01:21:09] We want to build a base So if you get to like five and you're struggling stop right there. I'm not trying to kill anybody I'm just trying to give you guys a base so you have a good time So we're all laughing we're having a lot of fun I'm running through these workouts, so we're doing it three, four days a week, and then we get in the cold punch. We get in the sauna first, which is the way I've been doing it with them. So they get to the point where they're actually kind of looking forward to the cold. Because I don't fuck around with the sauna. I get that bitch up to 185 degrees. We sit in there for 20 minutes. If anybody complains, I throw water on the rocks. This is this is the whole I know you can do this I know you don't want to do this But the whole idea is when it's done you're gonna feel better because you did a thing that you didn't think you could do or you think you had to quit And you don't have to quit because sometimes they'll be in there like I got to get out like no You don't you have four more minutes you can do anything for four minutes almost But just fucking concentrate concentrate and relax and just deal. Count to 10, and then count to 10 again, and then keep doing that. [01:22:06] And eventually, it'll be four minutes. Just do it. And then afterwards, I get them in the cold. And when I get them in the cold, they get out there like, oh my God, I feel amazing. I go, don't you feel great? So by doing it this way, where I'm just introducing them, first to body weight exercises, then to very light kettlebells. You know, like 12 pounds swings, cleans presses, some windmills. And then now I've got them doing renegade rows, a little more difficult. You know, and then now I've got them doing, you know, like the rogue, glute ham machine. So I've got them doing like those sit-ups where you hang low and come all the way up. I'm like, if you don't only do three, do three. Now I'm doing sets of 15. You don't have to do what I'm doing. Just do, because I built up to this, we're gonna do those, then we're gonna do some back extensions. I'm a strength in your core. We're gonna do some reverse squats with the pulley machine. So we're gonna do those a base. So we build this base and now these guys are fucking happy, they're [01:23:09] confident, they're coming to the green room before the show's like, dude, I feel fucking great. So because I mean, I imagine like, I mean, you've been a comic for a long time, right? And that's got to be a tough lifestyle that went away because you got late at night all the time, it's drink and smoke and party. I mean, these guys, because I mean, obviously, UFC fighters are different breed than the comics. And are you finding that like in your own personal experience that being in shape helps you with your craft? I think it helps you with everything in life. Because it makes your mind function better. People want to think that the mind, the body are two separate things. They're not. You're an entity. Your existence is all symbiotic. It's all working together. If you eat better, if you rest, but look, if I'm tired, like for some reason, I, you know, I had a travel or this or that or something woke me up and I'm not getting any sleep and I have to do stand up and I have four hour sleep. I don't have as much juice, you know. I have to do stand up and I have four hour sleep. I don't have as much juice. I'll have to drink like a couple of spressos. [01:24:07] I have to fucking do some jumping jacks, get my brain fired up. And then at night I'm significantly more tired that day. If I sleep eight hours and I eat really good food and I come in there, I have more energy. If you have more energy, you'll be better at everything you do. There's not a thing you can do other than sleep, where when you have less energy you do it better. Nothing else. So if you have more energy you'll be better at comedy. You'll be better at talking to people. You'll be better at whatever the fuck it is you do. Whether you're an accountant or a fucking songwriter you'll be better at it. If you have more energy it's not mutually exclusive. That you have to be a drunk fatso in order to be a funny comedian. It's just not true. A lot of drunk fatso's are funny comedians because they're wild, impulsive people, that's fun to watch. But there can still be all those things and be healthy. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I'm not a comic. [01:25:03] I do some stupid skips that were kind of funny, but it takes a lot of creativity and intelligence to be funny. I mean, you would know that. I mean, it's like something that a lot of comics are very, very intelligent people. I mean, I would, you know, yes. There's a lot of, a lot of my friends are surprisingly funny. A lot of them. They're very, what you call it, street smart or wise. They get things. They understand people. They're armchair psychologists. They understand what makes people think and behave. Like Patrice O'Neill is one of the greatest comics of all time. He was diabetic and he was a big overweight guy, but he was brilliant. And he had an understanding of human psychology that came from life experience. And whatever shit he went through when he was younger that he brought to the stage. And he would have been better if he was healthy, which is crazy, because he was so good already. So these guys that are training with you, are they all living awesome or local comics? Yeah. [01:26:00] So you've got like a new club or something, right? The comedy mothership. Yeah, that's in you've got like a new like a club or something. Yeah, right? The comedy mothership. Yeah, that's in that sound down or something. Yeah, so these guys are all guys that I work with all the time. So if I'm doing shows there Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, I'm doing shows with these guys. So there's like a really cool camaraderie and brotherhood with all these guys and we all work out together. And you know, it's like, I don't like that term team building, because I don't think about it as a corporate environment, but there's something to that. Like, we're all brothers, and we get together, and we have fun together, and they're learning. They're learning, they're like, oh my God, this actually makes me feel better, and I was never, they were never involved in anything like this before. They never had like organized workouts on a regular basis. But to fact that they're all going through it together as beginners and that they're getting guided by someone like me who loves them and who is already fit and they could see the benefits. And I'm telling them, dude, keep going. You will have a fucking six pack before you know it. You will be better. You will feel healthier. Change your diet. Change what you do. Change how you live your life. Make sure you get your sleep in. Start taking vitamins. [01:27:06] You just start, listen, athletic grains is the fucking easiest thing to take. Take a scoop, put in water, spin it up, you got vitamins. Do, give your fucking body the nutrients it deserves. Do these things and you will feel better. Yeah, I mean, is there ever like, I mean, there's some like I can remember through the years, like John Belushi, John Candy, these giant, they all died early, right? Where your drugs are, whatever, probably the obesity didn't help them. But is there a danger of once you become that role, like you're the big, heavy guy, you gotta stay that way to get the job. So I mean, maybe in Hollywood and stuff like that. Yeah, in Hollywood, if you wanna be a big fat guy in movies, yeah, my advice sucks. Yeah. You don't have to be the big fan. What's the guy that he's like, I could set there something like that. He's like a red-headed kid. He was... Seth Rogan? No, that's Seth Rogan is another, no, I can't remember the guy's name anyway. He was a big chubby kid and he lost a lot of weight and I can't remember what his name was, but he He was in like super bad or something. Oh yeah. Jonah Hill. Yeah, yeah, him. [01:28:05] So he's like lean battle. Yeah. But he still has a career, I guess. Of course he does. He's talented. But also those movies that he used to be in, they don't fucking make those anymore. Because the woke PC culture just fucking threw water on that fire. I mean, they used to make movies like Tropic Thunder. If you made a movie like Tropic Thunder today, everyone's going to jail. Well, it's one of the greatest comedies of all time. Or super bad. You could make super bad today. Jesus Christ, the backlash should be insane. That's crazy, huh? I don't know. I guess I'd say generation X is the toughest generation. It's kind of like, you know. Yeah, but there's a lot of like really funny guys like Andrew Schultz is a perfect example. One of the best comics a lot. He's fit, he's thin, he's smart, he doesn't party and he's, you know, he's still hilarious. You don't have to be dying to be a good comic. [01:29:01] It's not necessary. Yeah, there's a, I saw there's a, there's a comedian saying it's Brent Pellad, you know who he is? Have you ever seen him? He does like a lot, a lot of like these carnivore diet things and stuff. They did a, you know, a place called hopdoddy. Have you heard of that place? It's a burger place. It's a hamburger place. So my friend is one of the executives over there. And he was like pissed off about it because he's kind of carnival leaning. And they were kept trying to get rid of it, get rid of it. And I think one of them paid like a million dollars to keep it on the menu. It was like ridiculous. They were just, you know, obviously forcing this on the population. And beyond meat it's just like tank. Nobody wants that stuff. You know? The stock three years ago, it's like five bucks. It's like, you know, not only that, they're fucking getting sued. Like people that are, there were shareholders are suing. Oh, for, for, yeah. And it's, it's like, so the hopdot he made a video, like we're getting rid of Beyond Meat and they threw it in the garbage and his comic print pile and make it this funny little. It's like a three minute funny video. And, and beyond meat actually sent them a cease and desist not making fun of us. Which is a whole lot of... [01:30:05] How can you say that? I don't know, I guess they did. I mean, don't make fun of us anymore. How can you send a cease and desist for making fun of something? That's what they did. It was just funny. Yeah, I don't think you have to obey that. Well, I don't know if they... It's in America. You see what they're doing in Ireland? Ireland is, they're trying to pass some law where if you have memes on your possession. So if you have something in your possession that could be used to marginalize or incite violence, which is very open-ended, like something funny could be used to incite violence in their ridiculous ideology, that you could be arrested for that It wasn't there a guy that was sentenced to jail for having a meme about Hillary Clinton recently though He created he created a parody meme about Hillary Clinton and he went to jail for it though something happened [01:31:01] It's like it's like crazy. I don't know if he went to jail or if he was convicted of something I don't know what the sentence was but yeah, and this was because that they were what were they saying that was like Jamie'll find it, but it's something it egregious because it was a very subtle parody where you could say that this was It just not true. these are falsehoods. So here it is. Man who spread misinformation on Trump's behalf sentenced to seven months, the man Douglas Mackey spread internet memes meant to fool people into not voting for Hillary Clinton in 2016. So what were the memes? Let's find out what the memes were. Okay, but let's find out what the thing. Evidence show that the participants discuss generating interest in email stolen from the Clinton campaign by Russia, portraying Miss Clinton as a warmonger, and promoting the [01:32:00] claim that she had cheated during the primaries to get supporters of senator birdie sanders to hate not just hillary but the democratic party itself mr. mackie published uh... push the hashtag uh... right in bernie hashtag right in bernie evidence showed and stated that women and naturalized citizens should not be allowed to vote he also wrote that black people were unintelligent and gullible and suggested spreading a hashtag, hashtag never vote in black social media spaces. Yeah, but here's the thing. Like this was all parody. This I'm 90% sure. Let's find out what he actually made but it I remember looking at the things that he made and you're all well That is if you didn't know any bad. Well, I mean you think like today with the AI stuff I mean, I know you've had like fake AI Joe Rogan's right? Oh, there's a shit loader There's gonna be stuff that are just like they're gonna take something and make you say something Did you never want to say it and you they're already doing that? I don't know what to do. I don't know what I can do. I'm selling big dick pills and I'm selling all kinds of stuff [01:33:07] online. Rappers are using me to promote themselves. Like I'm talking about this is the hottest rapper alive and it's an age. Yeah, if you can't do anything against that. I don't know what you can't be doing. What can anyone do? I guess you could ask Instagram to take it down, but Instagram has some wild shit up in the algorithm now. I see murders every day now. Every Tom Segura and I have this thing where every day we send each other the worst shit that we can find. And because of that, my algorithm is now conditioned to show me the worst things. Oh my God, every day it's people getting pulverized. Well, yeah, but they're banning like, I saw Chad Mendez, you know, Chad Mendez in the UFC guys. They took down his hunting photos. So you can't put up hunting photos. You're showing murders and all this other crap on there. Well, I think they're doing it from these like really sketchy accounts and they just make thousands of these accounts. Put that up there. It says Twitter user convicted for false voting information, not Hillary Clinton [01:34:05] memes, fact check. Okay, but this is like, you were the fact checkers on USA today. It's just fucking mainstream. Go back to that, please. Oh, sorry, the pop up, I popped up. So scroll down and what is it saying? Instagram post directly scroll back up, let's talk about that. Includes a screenshot of posts on X, formerly Twitter that claims social media user is being imprisoned for political memes. Breaking Twitter user Doug Litz-Mackie sentenced to seven months in prison for being found guilty of election interference for making memes, disparaging Hillary Clinton reads the post, which links to a post millennial story making the same claim. It received more than 70,000 likes in two days. Another version of the post shared on X by right wing commentator, Dinesh D'Souza received nearly 1,300 shares. That's a scroll deck now. Okay. Our rating false, making memes to sparaging political figures is not illegal. [01:35:03] Mackie was sentenced for posting memes that encouraged Clinton supporters to vote via text message, which is not a valid way to vote. Let's see if we can find the memes. I mean, that's what it has a link for. Okay, but no, no, that's a direct link to something that said he was sentenced to prison for political commentary. Generally, we would have the meme in that these posts though. So that's why. Yeah, doesn't. I don't, I mean, we had to check. Let's see. You were going to Gulag. No, that's, that's them doing that. That's different. Let's see if you can find what his memes were that he made. Douglas Mackey memes. There they go. Okay. And that's not really a meme though either. Kind is. Save time avoid the line vote from home. Tax Hillary to 59925 and we'll make history together this November 8th. Okay. That's borderline, right? Because that is kind of misinformation. I don't think the guys who go to jail for it. [01:36:00] But like click on that one in the upper right hand corner. Yeah, that one. Says vote for her, vote from home, post-hillary, using hashtag presidential election. Yeah. This is definitely not true. There's nothing funny about that. Right. Right, that is, yeah, that's different. That's one. Avoid the line vote from home, text, Hillary. Yeah. Okay. So I wonder how many people got fooled by that? A lot. Instead of over five, like for some of the range of 5,000 people texted one of those numbers or something like that. I'm sure. I'm sure they did. Because if you saw that and you, oh, I have to do this and I don't have to vote in person. Yeah, if you're not aware, I could see how that could get you. So that's, yeah. That's a little different than a meme. I mean, it's kind of a meme, but it really is, that kind of falls under misinformation. I don't think the guy should go to jail for it, but it probably, you probably shouldn't be allowed to. Maybe lose your counter, something like that. Yeah. Cause I've been, you know, I got banned, when you remember I got banned from Twitter for like year, you know, it's good for what I don't know I mean, they said they said there was like a copywriting music like music playing the background of one of my videos [01:37:09] And they were like life and I was like Bammy for life. What did I you know? It's like there's people you're putting you know promoting murder and death and they're on Yeah, I'm like the Taliban's on there right exactly. It's not that it was that you were promoting this Alt-right lifestyle of eating meat only. Well, I'd exercise in all of that. It's just very problematic, Shawn. It is. It is. But you can't have people eating meat and being healthy and working out. That's fucked up. I don't know why you did it, and I hope you've changed your ways. Well, I'm working on that. So, like don't know when this took place, but I just discovered it. That was recently, it was like two weeks ago. I just discovered a couple of days ago, but you are debating this guy. And you, by the way, you played this brilliantly. Where you just had this like little smile in your face and you let them talk. [01:38:00] And this guy was saying that you've never met a vegan like me not only do I not think that you should eat me because you were talking about the animal kingdom what about the animal kingdom like in the way he was like oh I don't think the animal kingdom should exist right I think we should replace it with human infrastructure he was saying that he thinks that all animal prey prey predators and prey that's all problematic we shouldn't have any of that so he's for eliminating all animal life yeah that's kind of it's like i was just like i don't even have to say that it's not even a debate all i gotta do is just let you talk for like by the way where's this motherfucker think fertilizer comes from where where are you gonna grow your vegetables right now he doesn't care about that he he said basically i don't care if you kill billions of creatures to grow do? He doesn't care about that. He said basically, I don't care if you kill billions of creatures to grow avocados. It doesn't matter to me. That's fine. Even if they were, he said, he went as far as saying, even if they were humans, you were slaughtering to produce crops that I ate, that's fine. But if you feed a fur cow and then kill a cow, that's a rights violation, that's a problem. And then he was like he said he won the debate because I said I [01:39:07] Probably wouldn't need a homeowner rectus You know like he said well if we could bring back something as close to human human homo sapien, but not exactly Trying to get me to say it's okay to eat humans, but but that's how he won the debate That's it. Well, that's how he claims he won the debate because if you say I don't think you should eat orangutans Right, right, right. Then you're, he won. Then he won. That was the whole thing. It was just bizarre. It was funny. I mean, it was hilarious. Well, he's in a cult. You know, whether he realizes it or not, he's in a cult in this cult is not, it's not based on any objective assessment of the reality of biological life on Earth. It's just not. It's like to say that you think all animal life should die. Are you including insects? Because if you include insects, then you're including bees, then there's no pollination. Like what are you saying? Well I mean our species, if there are no animals, we would all be dead too. I mean everything would be gone. So it's like, it's almost like, [01:40:00] well you don't really seem like you fit to well on this planet, dude. Well, I think that's a deeply unhappy person that's probably very depressed. And also a contrarian to the point of complete illogical thinking. Like the idea that you would think that all predator and prey animals that exist on Earth, including Africa, in the wild, like areas where there are no human beings ever. And these animals all coexisted in this very balanced food chain, where you have predators in prey and the predators keep the prey animals in check and that there's just like balance in terms of population. The fact that you think that human beings should somehow another stop that and replace it with human infrastructure. That's basically what he's saying, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, plants literally survive on biological material that is being broken down by the natural [01:41:09] process and converted into fertilizer. There's this symbiotic relationship. They breathe in carbon dioxide and breathe out oxygen. We breathe in oxygen. We breathe out carbon dioxide. The more carbon dioxide, which is a real problem with the whole Climate crisis things the earth's literally never been greener in observable history Right now with the higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere you literally have a greening of the earth The whole thing is super complicated and to try to boil it down into some very easy to follow away because it supports your ideology is what most people are doing. Yeah, Jamie, if you go to my Instagram, like a couple back, like there was like that. I think it's like I take on the final vegan ball show. Did you put those seed oil bottles behind it? [01:42:02] No, he did behind it was his that's because he's a big promoter he's he thinks that you know there's a whole argument about you know you should be drinking gallons of canola oil and it makes you have a gives him volume and refresh this i could hear what this guy says because it's really funny world in to non-existence right like i think the wild i think the natural world is actually more of a problematic and I advocate for its non-existence. Can you expand upon that? What does that mean? You advocate for getting rid of the natural world and we live in a... Oh, absolutely. Yeah, the natural world is filled with death and destruction, things I find morally problematic. So I wouldn't... What would you replace that with? Human infrastructure and we do and you're saying we would do a better job as humans yeah I would even go so far as I think that the end goal should be to ditch this ball because it's liability in and of itself but a lot of people might find that problematic. It's fine people are free to think that I have a weird position just on that show like [01:43:00] GC where he's coming from that I've been't even know. I can see his argument. I would disagree with that pretty well. You know, to create that if you make human infrastructure over where there's usually a huge amount of suffering and death and rights violations, most likely this is not that. So I guess if we're calling a rights violation a lie and eating a zebra, is that would that fall into your definition of a rights violation? On my definition, yeah. Okay. Interesting. So who's the other guy? Obviously that is a... I'll tell you this. So the other guy is a vegan activist. His name's James Aspie. And he would just be like a drug addict and I was vegan. And he was like, he made this like rap video saying I wasn't... I was afraid of him and wouldn't debate him. And I was like, okay, whatever. So he wanted a partner to debate with me. And I said, I don't know, I'll bring somebody on in this. This is the other guy he picked as his backup, as his, and I'm like, he's probably regretting he brought this guy on now, because he's like such a wacko. But, well, the guy that you're the other guy, not the final vegan boss, but the other guy is like, don't you see point exactly right's violations right's violations so a mountain lion eating a [01:44:06] mule deer is a rights violation well then I asked him I asked him because I then I go on to ask him I said well what about the lion that needs to eat doesn't he have any rights he goes oh I don't care about them I like oh god so let's eat them let's eat the lions that's only predators no that's a rights violation to right violation's a rights violation too. Yeah, they're bizarre. It's kind of... Well, it's just a complete... It's convenient thinking. It's not based on facts. And if you mean, there's one of the things that's been discussed at nauseam, but Ted Nugent covered it. If you want to kill the most things, eat a vegan diet. If you're thinking, like you made this argument that one cow, like one cow is one life, and it's probably better to eat cows because if you eat a cow, that's an enormous animal. And you could eat that cow for like six months. Yeah, how long is that elk last you, too? Months. Yeah. Months. That's it, I was just, I was just hundreds of pounds. Yeah, I was just an organ and that's the end of the Lewis and Clark Trail, right? Mm-hmm. And you read back there, if you've ever read like the history of the Lewis and Clark [01:45:07] Exhibition, those guys were eating up to nine pounds a me day when they had a lot of game. They had 31 dudes and they would go through like every day they go through four deer or an elk in a deer, a lot of bullfinale, a lot of bear stuff like that. I got some here. You got some? I like to try. I'll give you some. Awesome. Yeah. Cam Haines shot a bear and he turned it into pepperoni sticks. What kind of bear was it? Black bear. Black bear. Yeah. But you can eat grizzly bears too. The problem with bears is, the real problem in society is that people view them as what my friend Steve Renelle likes to call charismatic megafauna. Because we think of it as like yogi bear and only you can prevent forest fires and you know teddy bears and all that shit. Teddy bears. But yeah, they're fucking giant predators. But when you eat grizzlies and you eat particularly brown bear that are coastal, [01:46:02] which are the really large ones. They're eating a lot of fish and they might taste like shit. Whereas if you get a black bear that are coastal, which are the really large ones. They're eating a lot of fish, and they might taste like shit. Whereas if you get a black bear that is munching on blueberries, they're sensational. Steve Rinaldo says some of the best meat he's ever eaten in his life. And when there's a video of him, see if you could find Steve Rinaldo blueberry bear. So they specifically target these fall bears that are eating blueberries and when he opens it up He says they smell like blueberries. They're fat is purple and he said the meat is delicious So this is an interesting thing because like See So that's a So this is him right what he's doing now This is Steve after he's shot the animal and these are pieces of meat that he's quartered up. And so he's taking this fat and this fat has a blue, see how it has like a blue hue to it? That's from the berry. Give me some volume. [01:47:01] Is it saying anything? Oh, there's good stuff right there. So he's gonna start. Steve's up in Alaska or something like it? Well, he lives in Montana, but he has a fish shack in Alaska and I think I believe he was hunting them in Alaska Because that's where you know like he just he's he'll specifically target them where they're eating blueberries Getting in the third line here by some red meat. There's a good side. And so what he's doing now is he's going to use a jet boil. He's still running a hip. Yeah. And he's going to cook the meat in the fat. So that fat, if you look at it, it's got like a blue hue to it, like a reddish blue hue to it from blueberries. So he cooks that down, gets the oil, gets it fat, and then he dunks. So he gets so much a hot melted fat and then he cooks it's like coffee, coffee duck, yes. You have to make sure you cook it to 150 plus degrees to avoid tricking those things. [01:48:02] I forget what the number is. I'm sitting on top of the water. But for deep frying, meat is better to have pure oil. But if you just want an oil out to drink, just if you need it like a quick energy charge, you can do it that way a lot faster than rendering it like this. My brother one time a lot, he rendered a mug full of bare fat and just drank it like coffee. That's all good. That stuff. It was hundreds like Daniel Boone. I mean that guy would shoot bears just for oil. You could sell the stuff. It was remarkable for my life. You could continue to cook these fat pieces down, down, down, down. And you're just going to be crispy little treats like little pork. How hard is it to bear to get a bear tag? It's not that hard, depending on where you go. They're overpopulated in a lot of areas. You want to hear something crazy? What state would you think has the largest population of bears per capita? Per capita? Yeah, take it guys. Per capita. Wyoming. New Jersey. [01:49:00] New Jersey. New Jersey has a real bear. A lot of people live in New Jersey. I know. A kid a few years back who's going to Rutgers got killed by a bear out there. Wow. Yeah. Black bears are worth. Black bear. Yeah. Black bears are more likely for some reason to kill people for food. Whereas brown bears and grizzly bears, generally they kill people because they get startled or it's a mom and her cubs. I had a black bear walk through my backyard. It was like, we got it on video, it was like in Washington. Pretty cool. Yeah, it was pretty good. My spouse was taking a bath. She heard the dogs barking. She looks out there as a freaking bear walk. I was out of town. She's like, oh my God, there's a bear. But the interesting thing, you know, it's about the blue, you said about the blue stuff and the fat and Van Ville about phytonutrients in meat. So we talk about phytonutrients, right? You gotta get all your plants, get your phytonutrients. Meat actually contains thousands of phytonutrients. So when those animals graze, they actually absorb that phytonutrients and it goes into their fat, into their tissue. And so you actually get it in almost as much or even more than you can get in plants because we ignore that. But meat like Stefan Van Vlie, who is a researcher, initially at a duke, [01:50:06] he's not like Utah State, showed that meat has something like 50,000 unique compounds. It's not just amino acids and a little bit of vitamins and minerals. It's 50,000 unique compounds. And many of them are fightin nutrients. So it's pretty amazing. Because like a bear can need a lot more than I can. Health-prolating, photo nutrients are higher in grass-fed meat and milk, but you don't necessarily gravitate towards grass fed. I do both. It's one of those things that, you know, I mean, I don't know what your opinion is on taste. I mean, I know you like a lot, a lot, a lot of elk. And so I, you know, it's kind of funny because I become like the Meahead guy, right? Like everybody, I get a lot of ranchers to send me stuff. They're like, here, have some for me. Have some free meat. Yeah. Yeah, I'll eat that stuff. And I get a little bit of everything. I get some really crazy, like there's a, well, one in Colorado, Colorado craft beef, which Jaco is invested in. They're part of that partnership. They got really good meat, but it's pasture rays and then they feed it, they finish it out themselves in another own facility. But there's like one in Montana. [01:51:08] They finish their cows out on sprouts, which is kind of interesting. And the sprouts can grow like, you don't even need a light. Oh, you need water. And they grow very massively. And so this guy said in a building, it's like 40 by 60, he can grow enough sprouts to finish out 400 head of cattle, which takes almost no room. It's like amazing. So it's called McCaffity Ranch Beef Up in Montana. And they're trying to spread this, because you think what we're talking about, how do we sustainably feed people more meat? Because I think that's a real issue. And that's one of those things that's out there. So it's kind of like, because I think, you know, again, I don't think everybody needs to be uncornable, but I do think we should probably eat less junk food more meat. I mean, I think that would be a clear win for society in general. And it's like, well, how do you do that? I mean, we used to have, you know, this is, this goes back to the beef checkoff. I mean, their job is to like 30%, 40%. And yet, diseases are going up. So it's like exact opposite direction. [01:52:07] And literally, like half a million ranchers have gone on a business since the 70s. I mean, it's like, we talk about 3000 ranchers or 3000 farms closing in the Netherlands, half a million have gone on a business here in the US, which is, Chris, I'm always trying to support your local rancher. Whatever your preference is, but get these guys out there. Because I don't know, I mean, these guys are good. I mean, this like everybody else. Ranchers are hardworking people. I think they're one of the backbones of this country. I mean, you get people that feed you. I mean, what it was? Because he used to be back in 200 years ago. Everybody had produced their own food. Now you got like 2% of the population feeding all the rest of us. And I mean, you know, I mean, I had Walt Harris. Oh, Will Harris. Will Harris. Yeah, Will Harris and his daughter Jenny on recently. And they explained, and I've had Will on twice. And they explained his situation where he developed this regenerative farm from what used to be an industrialized environment. [01:53:02] How difficult it was. I'm reading his book right now. It's amazing. It's amazing. I've interviewed Will before. I've interviewed all these regenerative guys, and I'm totally for that. I think it's wonderful. It's great. It improves the ecosystem. It's like something we need more of. It's just incentivizing the guys. Because a lot of the guys are on like more kind of a commodity beef, which he likes to call it. He doesn't like it anymore. But a lot of those guys like, I just, I'm worried I'm gonna go out of business if I try this because maybe they're up in North Dakota or it's snowed all the time. And we're not gonna get the alpha off and the hay to feed the stuff. And it's just, it's kind of, you know, it's actually what you have to do. He's like, I can eat mits, I've got perfect land for this and I don't have anybody has that. But he's also recreating nature in a contained environment, which is really what we should all be striving for. What we want is these animals to exist in a way that's ethical, humane, and that they exist in a way that they've existed for hundreds of thousands of years. And that's how they're healthy. And if you eat that, you will be healthier. There's no pesticides, herbicides, [01:54:07] no bullshit involved. Well, that's really, because you've heard a glyphosate. They spray it on everything. They've been sprayed on everything since, I don't know, the 1980s or something like that, not showing up in your urine. And it's, most of it accumulates in like grains and legumes and stuff like that's where it's most densely fountains if you want to avoid that stuff, don't eat that stuff, eat more of a meat base because mammals basically break it down so it doesn't really show up and they're meeting their milk very much, it's very limited but it's you know it's like these guys that are doer-genitive they don't they don't need any herbicides they don't need any pesticides to get rid of all that stuff, saves them money in the long run. But it's like, like they said, you got to go through the threat of going out of business for five years or six years before you can make it. Well, it took him like 20 years to convert that farm, which is an amazing task that he achieved. But because of that, it's like a shining light to all these people. [01:55:02] I mean, we should subsidize that stuff as what we should do instead of subsidizing all these wheat and grain and corn commodities Which go into you know potato chips and garbage? Yeah? Well, that's just crazy about you know, we demonize Russia, but Putin ban GMO foods Well, do you see what they did in Italy? Maloney said no no lab-grown meat? Yeah, that's another thing You know that's because you know the plant like people have Caught on to the beyond Burgers and the impossible meat, it's just all ultra-processed carbs and nobody, and the people are speaking with their wallet, which is, when I look at all the corporate sort of malfeasance and the corporate influence, the corporations own the politician, you gotta know that, I mean, they're paying the politicians in one way or another. And it's like, what can I do as a loan individual? And it's like, all you can do really is vote with your pocketbook. And just every time you go to the store and you buy that bullshit, that crappy food, you're putting more money in their pockets. And they have more power of you. And so you got to turn it around. So I'm pretty proud. In a perfect world, they would invest all their money into regenerative farming. They would change if people change their diet and they realize, look, the only thing people [01:56:09] are buying is grass-fed meat and organic vegetables, all from regenerative organic farms. If that really became something that was sustainable, they would try to pursue that. Yeah, no, I think the market will dictate where things go. It's just convincing the market that, hey, you know if you want to continue to be sad and depressed and miserable keep doing what you're doing but you got to change it you know and you got to make a big change and that's what you know I mean we'll be told not to do it just like that USDA study. Hey 91% process food diet that That's a okay. Keep eating this way. It's so crazy. It is crazy. But it's what makes that sort of propaganda so insidious. It's like you're literally holding back people from gaining health and gaining control of their health. And the evidence is clear in terms of you just look at what people you still look like and what they look like now. Something's wrong. [01:57:02] Something's really wrong and all that comes from diet. Yeah, 100%. Sendery lifestyle and diet. Well, that's, but I mean, I will say this. And because you, I mean, I'm sure you agree that what distinguishes healthy people that age in a very healthy matter, I mean, diet is important. I'm a huge proponent of that, but physical activity and exercise is such a huge, I mean I don't care what diet you are, you need to be taking care of your health and I think, you know, because I hear it all the time, well you're in your 50s, you need to slow down, you need to, you need to be doing that stuff because you're going to get hurt and it's time to get down, but I mean I've heard that since I've been 20 or 30, well you're 30, you gotta slow down, I think once you lose capacity, like, you know, if you say like my 100% was here and then you say, I'm not going to do 100% anymore. I'm just going to do 90%. Well, that 90% is now your 100%. Yeah. And then you keep doing it and all of a sudden it's like, you know, walking down the street is now a chore. You know, right. And you see so what happens is over life you have this sort of spectrum [01:58:05] of things you can do. This is me laying in bed and this is me doing back flips, right? And then it gets smaller and smaller. And eventually you're like, all I can do is walk around the house and then I can do the lay in bed and then you're dead. So you need to keep this as broad as possible. And that's why I say when people say, you need to slow down. I'm like, bullshit, man, you gotta be trained. You gotta train smart, you don't get hurt, but you need to push yourself. Also, if anybody watches your workouts, clearly you don't need to slow down, because you're doing some pretty extraordinary stuff and you're deep into your fifties. Yeah, it's like you win the same thing, right? Yeah, and we were kids, we were told that when you get into your f in your 50s, it's over. You know, if you've ever seen those images where they show the Archie bunker and Judith bunker, is it? When they're like, they're like, 38, I'm like, she's like, Fred look like. Fred Stanford was like, 48, it was like, Stanford and Suns, it's crazy. That big belly gray hair, I can't believe that stuff. Yeah, they weren't healthy. They didn't take care of themselves If you look at some people today like yourself, it's like, it does all those things. Well, you look at lies guys like Stallone [01:59:05] and Swartz and Hertha in their mid 70s now. And they're still like, being granted that they're taking stuff. But I mean, at the same point, we've never had a time in human history where we've experienced people that are pushing and get that way and still training hard in it a little late years. And I've seen people like in their 90s. That's our guy who's 91 years old, he's dead lifting 405 for a triple at 90. And anyway, he's like 148. That's incredible. It's like where did this guy come from? So it's like what is gonna be possible? And you know, like I said, I don't know. I always, the longevity stuff, I was like, I don't know. I mean, I don't think anybody really really knows, I think you're just speculating. My thing is like, let's get healthy today. Let's stop being sick and then just keep doing that. And then if you live extra long great, because a lot of people say, well, if you eat a carnivore diet, you're going to die of a heart attack at 60. I'm like, I don't know that that's true. I mean, maybe I will, but I don't think we have enough data to support that. What I can't say is like if you're sick, you're diabetic, you're fat, you're high blood pressure, I can fix that by diet. Let's just do that. And I think we would just [02:00:08] focus on that. Instead of like protecting people from cancer when they're 90. Yeah. It's just like you don't even know. The evidence is so bad on that stuff. Well, what we know, what you can do for what you are right now, where you are right now, that if you change your diet and you eat healthier foods and you exercise, you'll feel better, you'll be better. That's a fact. Whether or not you're looking at, like, look, clearly these people that are eating off the Twinkie tree, they're not worried about being 150 years old either. Like, this is nonsense and that's a bullshit argument. Like, you're gonna get a heart attack, you're gonna die young. And what, you're sedentary lifestyle, eating fucking Oreos, you're gonna be okay? I mean, there's some people that say, we've only got a limited number of heartbeats. And I don't wanna, you've heard that argument. I'm like, what, you gotta be crazy. But that's based on who and what? Like, based on what? Says who? That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. Do we have a number of calf contractions [02:01:06] that you're allowed to have? Your heart is a muscle. Like who says? If your heart is healthier, because your whole body is healthier, and you're more metabolically healthy, I would imagine that everything's healthier. You're brain. People that are fit and older, their brains work better. Everything works better. It's just good. Let me, hey, Jamie, there's a picture of a gal with blonde hair. Do you see that one? I just want to show this gal because it's quite interesting because people are asking where's the people that have been doing carnival for a while. So there's a rancher. Her name is Maggie. I can't remember. Maybe Maggie White or something. She's up in Alberta like 15. She's now 82. And if you can find a picture, she just looks like, that's her. She's 82. That's insane. And she's bustin' her ass, working on a ranch every day. She's learning Spanish, because she's getting tired of how the Canadian government screw in her ranch or she wants to move down a Bolivia and start a new ranch in Bolivia. She's 82. She's starting a Bolivia, that's a current picture. And if I went to go visit her and looked at her birth certificate [02:02:05] and her driver's like verified she, and that's literally what she looks like in 82. So it's like well that's eight to two years of no bullshit in your body being physically active. Yeah, it can do that for you. So we'll see what happens. You know, like I said, if the vegans are right, you and I are dropping dead of a heart attack in six months and they're gonna drop dead too. Listen, that's the fun I'm seeing. So I had a, you know, I was talking about debating and to being, I used to not do it because of such a waste. I find I was a waste of time, but now I'm kind of humorous, just because, I don't know, I guess I'm bored, but. Well, listen, if you can get a result, like the guy with a cannoloil, but I know that's amazing learn anything except how crazy these people are. But I had a guy that I was like, he's like, well, you're gonna get cancer or heart disease. And I said, hey, what do you think vegans are dying of? Right? What do you think they die of? And he goes, well, I don't know, skiing accidents. And I was like, that's bullshit. Man, they're all dying of skiing. So they didn't ski, they'd live forever. Right, And I looked up studies have actually had endpoints of death on vegans and number one cause of death is heart disease and cancer [02:03:07] It's like you guys have the same thing everybody else So I got it all those years of suffering and farting and pretending you know versus For what you dropped that anyway, but another part of the problem is they've become attached to an ideology That's very difficult for them to escape and when they do try to escape that ideology, they get attacked. It's amazing. It's by their people. Oh my god. There's this one vegan influencer who ate a piece of salmon and just felt amazing. I believe so. And then they started fucking attacking her and she was crying. But immediately started feeling better because she's giving her body what she needs. How many of these people are suffering? And how many, like, if you think of the vitriol that comes from the vegan community and so much anger and so much hate and just horrible things they say about people, what, how much of that is based on, like hurt people hurt people, right? How much of that is based on them being in pain [02:04:03] and them being in agony, whether it's mental anguish because their brain's not functioning well, their bodies are overwhelmed with inflammation, their guts are filled with fiber? Well, I mean, if you imagine, like, if you literally, like, believe the ideal, it's really hard, you literally hate almost all of humanity. It's like every 99 out of 100 people you see, you're like, I hate you because you're a murderer. Right. You know, It's like every 99 out of 100 people you see, you like, I hate you because you're a murderer. It's like, how do you even live in that society where you literally hate every human being around you? I mean, it's gotta be crazy. It's not good for you. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, there was a guy in that movie Game Changers, you know, that he can sports film. And he was gonna be in the movie. They had film ballers of his name's team, Tim Sheefe. He was like an obstacle course, like, you know, those obstacle race guys, right? Ninja guy, American Ninja type thing. And he was like the vegan prince, like they loved him. And then he said, he got sick. And he was like, I couldn't do it anymore. And they like literally threw him out of the movie. Like, he got, he got, he got, stories of that. That's what's fascinating. There's so many stories of people who were vegan that had to abandon it, including a lot of celebrities that have come out. And when they do [02:05:09] that, they get attacked. They get attacked viciously instead of people going interesting. That's an interesting point of data. Instead of saying it that way, you're going against an ideology. It's not about facts. It's not about the reality of the science or what we know about nutrition in the human body, it's about being attached to this ideology that makes you superior morally to the people that are around you. Yeah, I always laugh when they say, I'm going to eat this guilt-free, whatever salad. I'm like, no, there's a lot of things that die to get you that salad. Yeah. And it's like, although that doesn't count or it's kind of crazy. But the whole point is out there are some, I mean, you know, but the whole point out there are some I mean there literally are people that Do reasonably well in a vegan diet. I mean, you probably see like I always I don't know you know I'm sure you know them. They tell about Nate Diaz, you know, he's a you have some fun. That's what I heard I he's fish and stuff like that. They always point the ideas right they point to him as the guy No like no big joke of it. She also is not vegan vegan but they keep pointing to him it's just kind of like as he also eats fish and stuff like that. How about when they put athletes on vegan diets they get these cast traffic injuries? [02:06:07] Yeah, yeah. Because Cam Newton was the prototype for that. There's a bunch of those guys because you're not getting a lot of the things that you need. You're not getting creatine unless you're supplementing. You're not getting... You're not getting tar, touring, carnitine, carnation, carnitine. I mean, all these things that are either conditionally beneficial are absolutely needed and you just not seeing that. So we see that. There was a depression study, Stanford University 2018. People with major depressive disorders have low levels of carnitine, where do you get carnitine from? You pretty much only get it from animal products. And so it's just like your brain turns back on. These people say like the brain reset when they got the right food. So yeah, well listen man, I'm glad you're out there preaching the gospel and glad you're still alive. All these years later, he's still healthy and everything's fine. And I think what you're doing is important because I think [02:07:01] people need to understand that we've been kind of hoodwinked in more ways than one and that there's a you can kind of follow the chain of evidence and you could figure out how this happened and why this happened and it's not to preserve your health and it's not it's not evidence-based and when you look at the real evidence that supports vegan diets and and supports that meat is bad for you find out that that's a bunch of shakainery too. There's a lot of bullshit going on there. And so I'm glad you're out there Shawn. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Appreciate giving me the platform to talk on this joke. Because I think like I said, it's literally, it's helping people. And I think anything that helps people we should be in favor of. And like I said, I think when, because we're seeing people are like saying, we can't eat it anymore. And I think that's a really, it's gonna have some really bad, unintended consequences. I agree. So tell everybody where they can find your content and your social media. Yeah, so first thing, company ravero.com, REV, ERO, if you wanna, you know, get your health taken care of all 50 states. I'm on social media, Instagram, Shawn, SHHWN, Baker, BAKER, AR, 1967 on Twitter, I'm at S Baker, MD. [02:08:09] I've got a YouTube channel, Shawn Baker MD and that's...