#1532 - Mike Tyson

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So a friend of mine, he's a giant boxing fan.

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He sends me this text message.

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He goes, dude, check this shit out.

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And it's you training with Rafael Cordero.

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And I remember looking at him going, oh shit, what happened?

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What happened?

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Because the last time you were in here, you were talking about how you didn't

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want to work out.

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Yeah.

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Because it would ignite the ego.

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Hey, let's talk about that too.

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So I was discussing with my wife something about me being overweight.

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You know, you have to sometimes want to complain on your wife.

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You want to take it out of her in some kind of perspective.

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And she said, well, why don't you just get on this treadmill for 15 minutes a

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day?

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I said, ah, she said, yes, 15 minutes.

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So it went from 15 minutes a day to two hours a day.

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And that's what you were worried about.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But I was complaining about my weight.

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And so I don't know.

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I guess I tried on some clothes and it was disastrous.

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And so I was worried about my weight.

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And she told me the 15-minute route and it went two hours a day.

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And I just started losing weight.

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And then somebody came to my brother-in-law and said, hey, Mike, man, I know

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you're not going to want it.

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But somebody said, would you fight this guy for like 40 million or 30 million

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bucks?

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I said, man, get the fuck.

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I said, whoa.

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I said, whoa.

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Then somebody said, ding.

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I was just giving me a second.

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I said, get the fuck.

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I said, whoa.

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And I said, well, who would they like me to fight?

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And he said, one minute.

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And then it's Bob Sapp.

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I said, OK.

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And so I'm saying to myself, well, I know Bob.

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And I said, whoa.

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Because I know Bob is big and strong.

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I said, hold, one minute.

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How would they like me to fight him?

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Can I fight him under the Marcus of Queensberry rule?

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And he said, one minute, Mike.

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He asked the guy.

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The guy said, yes.

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I said, I'll fight him.

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Right?

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So it was Bob Sapp was the first one that was brought up.

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Yeah.

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So for people who don't know Bob Sapp, Bob Sapp was a giant fighter in pride.

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At one time, he was like 375 pounds.

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He was fighting all the kickboxers.

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Solid muscle.

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With abs.

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It's incredible, right?

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And it went from him to somebody else.

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Then another guy, then MMA, then this guy.

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And then somehow, no, some other fighters, Vanda.

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Then it went from, who else?

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It was another heavyweight champ.

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It was just a bunch of guys up here and they fight.

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And next thing you know, it came down to Roy.

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And I said, how did it?

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And I'm like, I don't know what the hell's going on.

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And then he signed the contract.

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I signed the contract.

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Next thing you know, I'm in the gym again.

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And it's disastrous.

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I'm trying to get in the shape.

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I'm saying, did I really do this shit?

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Whoa.

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You know, you would probably know.

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Because if you're getting in shape and getting conditioned, they're two

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different animals.

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They don't even belong in the same workout division of working out.

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Like getting in shape is just being kind of fit.

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Yes.

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But then conditioned.

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You know, getting in shape is able to fit your clothes.

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Right.

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Right.

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You know, that's getting in shape.

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Being able just to fit your clothes.

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Being in condition is being able to come outside of your soul.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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And you can't do that automatically.

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You're talking about being in fighting condition.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's a rare state.

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And you can't keep it for very long.

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No, it is just...

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People need to understand that, right?

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The emotional state to prepare for that is, oh, mind-boggling.

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Well, that's what I was seeing when I was seeing you hit the pads.

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I'm like, this isn't just working out.

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There was something going on, man.

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When you were working out with Cordero and you were ripping to the body and

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throwing those

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hooks, I was like, this is a man who's preparing to go to combat.

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This is not normal, getting ready to work out shit.

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That's why when I saw that video, I was like, oh.

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You want me to tell you something about that video?

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Yeah.

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I did that video and I was in bed for a week.

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That was 30 seconds and I was in bed for a week.

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And it's not funny because it made me realize that this is big boy shit, okay?

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Big boy shit.

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This big boy shit.

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There it is right there.

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That wasn't really cool.

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That's in the gym.

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That's now.

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The thing is, though...

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That's now.

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That's now.

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That's going for, you know, five or six rounds.

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That's now.

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But I'm talking about before that 30 seconds, the first time I ever did it, I

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caught...

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What's the shit you kill when you can't walk?

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Oh, sciatica.

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Sciatica.

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Everything came in.

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Everything, all that shit that came back that made me quit box and all the pain

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started

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coming back.

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So when you started training again, did you start doing it slowly after that?

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Extremely slowly.

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And then I started dabbing in alternative stuff.

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Like what kind of stuff?

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Cryotherapy type shit?

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Cryo, stem cell research and therapy and some other interesting stuff that I

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still know.

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And it's just beautiful stuff.

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Like what kind of stuff?

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I don't know.

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Hyperbaric chambers and just...

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Everything.

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Everything.

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Everything to help you recover.

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It's really interesting.

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It is.

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Well, I saw you when you walked in today.

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I was like, God damn, you look good.

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You look good, dude.

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Like your muscles look good.

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You look like you're vascular.

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You look fit.

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And I'm starting to feel fit.

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That's what's interesting.

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So I know what they do and stuff.

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Like I think I'm in shape.

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And then the next thing you know, you think you're in shape.

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And then you start having like, Ralphie will start throwing punches at me.

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It's like he'll fight and I can't punch back when I got to avoid.

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And then two rounds go by and he said, whoa, I'm not in shape.

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I'm hitting the bag.

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Six rounds.

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I'm doing this.

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Three or five rounds.

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Six rounds.

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I'm jumping rope.

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And then I do two rounds of somebody.

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It's a whole different psychological preparation.

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And whoo.

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How much time has gone since you first started exercising?

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Like when did it start?

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So here we are.

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It's like August 23rd or something like that?

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22nd.

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22nd?

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All right.

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When did it start?

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It had to start something like April.

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April.

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March.

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Something like that.

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In the middle of the lockdown.

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Yeah.

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So you just started just training.

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And now here you are five months later, four months later.

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How far away do you think you are to being in like fighting shape?

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Oh, fighting shape.

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When the time comes by November 28th, yeah.

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That's when you'll be ready.

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Exactly.

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Now, why did you guys decide to move?

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You were supposed to be in September, right?

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It was supposed to be September 12th.

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I believe it was a viewing situation.

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The proper timing for more people.

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For audiences.

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Yeah.

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I believe it was something of that nature.

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It's so exciting.

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It's going to be awesome because it's going to be

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me and everyone else that's involved.

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Eros and everyone.

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Innovation.

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And we're going to start off the Legends Only League.

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And that's going to be really breathtaking.

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Especially starting off with me and Roy.

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Yeah.

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And I'm looking forward to that.

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It's going to have athletes from every generation.

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It's an array of everybody who believes in someone.

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They're all going to come back in all fields.

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And this is going to be something that me and Eros intervention created

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together.

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And I think this is going to be pretty awesome.

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So Legends Only League would be like all sports.

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Baseball, basketball, everything.

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Everything.

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Tennis.

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Yeah, I think.

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Imagine if something crazy like we did with Billie Jean King that had somebody.

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Yesterday, Serena, somebody playing McEnroe and that kind of stuff.

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Right.

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Exhibitions and stuff like that.

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Or somebody like Man of War can play one-on-one with whoever.

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Iverson or somebody.

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Yeah.

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I mean, Man of Peace.

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Man of War is the horse.

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Man of World Peace.

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No, it's an amazing idea.

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But particularly for you.

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Like seeing you hit the bag again and seeing you hit the pads and get excited

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about it was very, very interesting to me.

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Because I knew that you had that thing in your head where you didn't want to

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ignite your ego.

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And then you had this quote that the gods of war reignited your ego.

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I read that I got so excited.

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Well, that's the excuse I can use.

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That's a really great excuse that I can use.

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But it was a great quote.

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It made me excited.

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And when I'm seeing you training, I mean, you know, some people that, you know,

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everybody has opinions when something like this happens.

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When a man is 53 now, you're 54?

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Yeah, 54.

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And decides to fight again.

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As fit as you look, like, why not?

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Why not?

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Why not?

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You can do whatever you want.

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Why can't?

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I mean, if you can go bungee jumping and ride a bull.

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But listen, impossible is nothing to somebody that tries.

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Everything that someone said was impossible has happened.

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Yeah.

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It certainly, well, listen, in 2020, with all the ways of recovering, all the

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things we know, the science.

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Our limitations create impossible.

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Well, it's different now.

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Limitations are different now.

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Exactly.

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So when you, like, that video when you were ripping the pads and working out

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with Rafael Cordero,

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how many, like, how long into that was that?

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How quickly did you get your speed back?

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Was it right away?

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Was it right there?

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No, speed, but that was our first day.

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That was your first day?

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That was our first day.

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Let's try this out.

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That was our first day.

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Wow.

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And after that day, I was in the bed.

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I had to come get the guy to do the fucking shots and electrocute me to get me

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back.

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I had the sciatica hit me.

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I couldn't walk.

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I was crying to my wife.

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And I was like, wow.

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And I don't know why.

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After that, I should have said, this is over.

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I'm not going to do it.

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But that ego stuff said, hey, come on, please.

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Did it, does it, do you feel like you felt in the old days?

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Like when, I mean, in terms of your mind, like the enthusiasm about this?

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The enthusiasm, yes.

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Sometimes I feel, I say, this is bullshit.

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I can't be feeling this good.

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You know, and then, I don't know.

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I think I really am.

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I'm feeling good.

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I said, this bag, because I know the bag is a bigger bag, 200 pounds.

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I said, well, this bag wouldn't be moving like this if I'm not hitting it kind

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of decently,

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you know?

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No, you look good.

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Look, this is not like, I've seen guys come back and you see them working out

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and it looks

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sad and it doesn't look good.

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What's exciting about you coming back is how good you look training.

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Why not?

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In this day and age?

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But being a real fighter, this is what you know.

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You see so many people that's in the gym.

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Matter of fact, I've boxed people in the gym that kick my ass every day.

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But they know what's different?

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When you get them in the ring and there's a light on them and people are eating

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popcorn

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and drinking beer and they freak out.

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So true.

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Yeah, the pressure.

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But you're Mike Tyson.

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Exactly.

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You understand that.

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Yeah, I know.

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If anybody knows how to deal with that pressure, it's you.

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Absolutely.

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But, you know, it's good.

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But if you don't have the doubt, you're going to have a lot of trouble.

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Right.

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You have to have that doubt.

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Right.

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You have to have a little bit of that.

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Yeah.

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Now, is it, this is a, this new phase of your life where all of a sudden you

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reignited

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and you want to compete again.

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This has got to be fun.

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It is fun.

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Yeah, it is fun.

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I do say it's fun, but it's still, um, it's apprehensive stuff.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's apprehensive, but it's still, like you said, it's fun.

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But it seems so exciting, like to watch you train and get ready.

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It's like, to me, I'm like, fuck yeah.

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Like, what do you want a man to do?

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What do you want a man to do?

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Just sit around, do nothing, just wait, go for walks, do whatever the fuck you

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want.

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And if you could still do this the way you're doing it, why not?

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Hey, um, I don't understand it either, but I want to do it.

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I don't understand.

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I just want to do it.

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And, um, I feel like I was born to do this stuff.

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Well, you certainly were at one point in time in your life, but you had moved

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on to a different

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chapter of your life.

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You had completely stopped doing that.

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You were doing a Tyson Ranch thing, smoking a lot of weed.

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Have you stopped smoking weed totally?

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Pretty much, yeah.

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Pretty much stopped.

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Yeah, it's going to stop.

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Wow, wow, that's, that's a big change.

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But when you do something like this, it's all about change.

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You know, you, listen, you can't continue being a comedian if you're not sharpening

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your, um,

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your psyche up.

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Even when you're doing it right here, you're practicing your comedian act.

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You know, you have to continue to practice.

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The more you practice it, if you practice it every, for a year, you'd be better

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if you

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only practice it for a month.

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So the more you do it, the better you become.

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Do you feel like that now in this comeback that like you are only sort of

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scratching your

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potential because like you're just getting back into shape again a year from

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now, you'll

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be even better shape and you'll be more conditioned to do what you want to do.

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Like you're, you're in this.

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God willing, yeah.

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Yeah.

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You're in this rebuilding stage now.

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And now that's exciting.

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Yeah.

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When you go to your, um, when you go to your doctor, these people who had this

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alternative

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stuff and you see the development, you see the healing process and you say,

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come on, tell

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me this.

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Why did this, why is this happening to me?

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Why not anymore?

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Why a guy like me who just got off drugs, who just gave up his life and don't

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care about

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nothing.

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He, this is happening to him, you know, since I married my wife, all this good

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stuff started

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happening.

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I'm saying, wow, what is this stuff all about?

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I, whatever it's all about, it's good.

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I'm like, I'm really grateful.

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Take my money.

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Yeah.

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That's what I said.

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I said, take my money.

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I want to watch it.

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Let's see it.

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And it's not about money.

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Cause the money's going to be in charity and people want to, and it's just

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about doing

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something good.

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And that, from that perspective, that could be, I used to like feeling like I'm

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doing something

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good for somebody more than myself.

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That's a beautiful part of it.

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Yeah.

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That is going to go to charity, but it's also an exciting matchup and I'm

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watching Roy work

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out too.

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And Roy looks fantastic.

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Roy Jones Jr.

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I mean, that's one of the things that makes this fight so exciting is that, uh,

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you know,

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Roy is like yourself, one of the all time greats and still looks physically

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fantastic.

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Like you see him moving around and hitting the pads.

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His hand speed looks great.

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And you can't train with anybody that looks like him to do that stuff.

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Right.

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Well, he always had such an unusual style, you know, with very few jabs.

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He would throw left hooks instead of jabs.

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You know, I mean, Roy always had like one of the strangest styles in all the

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boxing.

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Well, it was strange, but it was very effective.

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Super effective.

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Yeah.

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Very effective.

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Just incredibly hard to prepare for too.

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Cause try to find someone who...

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No one's going to do that.

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Yeah.

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No one can emulate him in the gym.

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Now, when you decided on a fight and decided on a poem, what were the...

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Were there other...

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I heard that someone had offered you Shannon the Cannon Briggs for bare knuckle

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boxing?

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Yes.

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No, no.

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It was just, um...

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Tyson...

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It was Tyson Fury.

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It was Bob Sapp, Tyson Fury and quite other guys.

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But certain things just happened.

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And it didn't happen.

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And then, um...

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It was Holyfield.

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It was Shannon.

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It was some other guys from, um...

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MMA.

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And then Roy turned out to be the right guy.

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I guess we did a survey and Roy popped up the winner.

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Well, it's certainly a giant name.

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I'm a Holyfield on top of Holyfield under that.

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Yeah.

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Holyfield would be a great one too.

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But it's just having a guy like that that has that big name that is also an all-time

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great

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and that also wants to do it too.

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And to get the public excited.

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I mean, I think it's a perfect fight to get the public excited.

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Exactly.

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So, do you think that once you fight Roy that that'll be it?

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Or do you think this is just going to be the beginning of this new chapter in

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your life?

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I believe this is just going to be the beginning of whatever happens, happens.

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And like this is pretty interesting.

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Being out here talking to you and knowing that the extent of the wavelength of

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people are

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going to hear this stuff is pretty interesting because this is now, this is

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true.

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It's really going to no longer in my head and I'm stroking it.

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It's real.

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It's like, wow.

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Yeah.

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It's wow.

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Yeah.

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I can't wait, man.

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I want to be there.

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I want to see it.

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Hey, down the street here.

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I'll come back.

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I forgot the name of the Dignity Center.

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That's where it's going to be?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And is it going to be an audience?

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It can't be an audience yet, right?

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I don't believe audience.

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I believe only like, I don't know, what am I going to say?

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Entourage?

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Right.

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Small amount of people.

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Yeah.

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Family fight group.

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And this is going to be eight rounds?

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I believe so.

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Yeah.

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So, how did you arrive on eight rounds?

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Hey, listen.

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Beats the hell out of me.

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I wanted to do the exhibition.

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I wanted to help the people.

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I said, why did I eat fucking rounds?

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But now I'm getting in the condition and we're going to do this stuff.

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Well, eight rounds gives you enough time to work.

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Gives people enough time to get excited about it.

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So, when you think about an eight round fight, do you see yourself moving into

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10 rounds and

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12 rounds in the future?

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We don't know what the future holds, but we're looking forward to just having

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fun and doing

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it for a purpose or reason.

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Because people were talking about you literally fighting for the title again.

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Hey, I'm not interested in that.

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I'm just interested in fighting for the title of giving.

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Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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So, just doing this for good.

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Yes.

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So, exciting for you, but also generates a lot of positivity.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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I love that.

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It feels soul cleaning for some reason.

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Because you're giving away to charity, that you're doing something good?

17:19

Me doing it for myself, I just didn't do it for me no more.

17:22

Right.

17:23

That makes sense.

17:24

I didn't do it.

17:25

Yeah, that makes sense.

17:27

So, it's both things.

17:28

So, you get to excite yourself, challenge yourself, but the good is all going

17:33

to an excellent

17:33

cause.

17:34

Exactly.

17:35

For I won't have in my mind, oh, I'm getting paid.

17:36

I just don't want to never have that in my mind again.

17:38

Yeah.

17:39

I just never want to have, oh, I'm getting something for what I'm doing kind of

17:44

attitude.

17:44

Yeah.

17:45

Somebody said, and this was kind of hilarious, someone said, hey, I heard that

17:49

they're just

17:49

gonna just mess around and that they're not gonna go for the knockout.

17:53

I go, do you know who the fuck you're talking about?

17:55

I go, you're talking about Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Jr.

17:58

Do you really believe that?

18:00

That two of the all-time greats, once they start throwing hands, that it won't

18:04

get crazy?

18:04

Well, of course it is.

18:05

Because both of us are who we are and we're gonna show our skills and nobody's

18:09

gonna look

18:09

stupid.

18:10

And it's just gonna be interesting, I think.

18:12

Yeah.

18:13

Do you have any other people in mind?

18:15

Like, do you have a game plan in mind, like after Roy, or are you just thinking

18:19

only about

18:19

Roy right now?

18:20

At this moment, only Roy, but it's just some interesting people that we have

18:24

that I'm gonna

18:24

announce later.

18:25

Now there was some talk of you and Roy way back in the day when Roy fought John

18:30

Ruiz and

18:30

won the heavyweight title.

18:31

Yes, yes.

18:32

Yeah.

18:33

So what did you think about that fight back then?

18:35

I thought it was really interesting because I couldn't have used the money back

18:38

then.

18:39

So, me and Roy talked.

18:41

We were in Texas and we went to Houston, we went to Houston, we talked and

18:46

after we talked

18:47

we just went out and chilled out.

18:49

But it was interesting.

18:50

It never happened.

18:51

I don't know what happened to me.

18:53

Something must have happened to me and it just didn't happen.

18:56

That's one of those things, right?

18:57

There's always all these potential fights that don't quite line up.

19:00

Do you have other fights in your head that like were potential fights that didn't

19:04

line

19:04

up that you wish did?

19:07

No.

19:08

Everything happened for the reason that is happening now.

19:11

I'm excited about this fight.

19:13

I'm excited about this fight stylistically too because I always liked that

19:17

fight stylistically.

19:18

I always thought it was so interesting.

19:20

You know, because you were just this unstoppable force and Roy was so fast and

19:24

so slick.

19:24

I guess I'm just prepared to do a lot of running and chasing.

19:27

Yeah.

19:28

You know, yeah.

19:29

That was real difficult to get in condition for.

19:32

You know, chasing this fucking little guy around the ring.

19:35

So how many days a week are you training now?

19:37

Every day.

19:38

Every day.

19:39

You know, I have to send these off and stuff every day.

19:41

And what is a typical day for Mike Tyson right now?

19:44

All right.

19:45

The day starts.

19:46

As soon as it's daylight, around 5:30, I'll do the four mile run, come back.

19:54

What am I doing when I come back?

19:57

I'm back.

19:58

I'm in the shower.

19:59

From the shower.

20:00

I go downstairs.

20:01

I let the birds out, fly the birds, come back in.

20:06

I may do some, I have a machine where you do the twist.

20:11

Mm-hmm.

20:12

App exercises.

20:13

Yeah.

20:14

And I'll do that probably 200 times on both sides.

20:19

And I just grab a bite.

20:22

You know, I may have some, I'm eating meat first.

20:25

I may have some eggs instead of not eating eggs.

20:30

You were a vegan for a while, right?

20:31

Yeah.

20:32

How long were you a vegan for?

20:33

A couple years.

20:34

For a couple years?

20:35

Yeah, five years.

20:36

When did you stop, when did you stop doing that?

20:39

I don't know, not too long ago.

20:42

So did you stop because of the training or did you stop before that?

20:46

Yeah, I did stop because of the training and it was because of what I wanted my

20:50

body to

20:51

look like and the strength that I wanted to possess.

20:54

So you started eating meat, red meat, everything?

20:56

No, no, no.

20:57

No red meat?

20:58

Only elk and bison.

21:00

Oh, red meat.

21:01

That's red meat.

21:02

Yeah.

21:03

Okay.

21:04

You eat an elk and bite too.

21:05

I want to give you some of my elk.

21:06

Yeah.

21:07

Really?

21:08

Would you please?

21:09

Fuck yeah.

21:10

100%.

21:11

Did you kill it?

21:12

Yes.

21:13

Yeah, I would like for you to do that.

21:14

I'll give you some from that elk right there.

21:15

That would be so awesome.

21:16

Fuck yeah.

21:17

That would be so awesome, brother.

21:18

I have three commercial freezers in the back.

21:19

I would love that.

21:20

I would love that.

21:21

Yeah.

21:22

When I look at food, I don't look at food no like I used to look at it.

21:24

I look at it for what it's for.

21:26

Yeah.

21:27

You know what it's for.

21:28

To take care of the body.

21:30

Exactly.

21:31

Well, that's the best meat.

21:32

I realize that there's things that are good for other people like the kale and

21:36

the vegetables

21:37

and all this stuff.

21:38

The blueberry.

21:39

And then for me, it's really poisonous.

21:41

It's not good.

21:42

That stuff's bad for you?

21:43

Yeah, that stuff's not good for my blood type and my health conditions and all

21:46

that stuff.

21:47

Kale?

21:48

All that stuff's bad for you?

21:49

Oh, kale will kill me.

21:50

Really?

21:51

Yeah.

21:52

It's gonna kill me.

21:53

Kale will kill me.

21:54

What did he do?

21:55

No, actually dead.

21:56

Really?

21:57

Yeah.

21:58

For me, kale is toxic to my blood and everything.

22:00

So when you were a vegan, what were you eating?

22:02

Oh man, nothing.

22:03

My wife called me the miserable vegan.

22:08

She said, that's not veganism what you're doing, Mike.

22:11

Just being miserable.

22:12

No, I think it comes down to when, and it's interesting because I've done it

22:20

when I was

22:21

with cuss.

22:22

I would sometimes just overdo it sometimes.

22:25

Like sometimes I go for religious fast for 30 days.

22:28

I might overdo it.

22:29

Sometimes I might not eat for the whole day.

22:31

Instead of just for the daytime not eating and eating and I might for a couple

22:35

of days just

22:36

not eat, period.

22:37

Don't you think?

22:38

But that's just your championship mentality, right?

22:41

Like you're always pushing yourself even when it comes to something like

22:44

fasting.

22:44

You always push it too far.

22:45

It has something to do with suffering.

22:47

Self-suffering.

22:48

I don't know what it is.

22:49

I can't put my feelings on it.

22:50

It's about how much, how long can I suffer more than this person or that person?

22:54

Or could this person do what I did?

22:56

Right, right, right.

22:57

I remember you saying that too about training that you would get up in the

22:59

morning and train.

23:01

Because you wanted an edge.

23:02

You wanted to know that you were training while they were asleep.

23:05

Exactly.

23:06

Yeah.

23:07

I remember thinking that back when I was doing martial arts.

23:08

I remember reading that.

23:09

I'm like, I want to do that too.

23:10

I'd copy a lot of shit you did.

23:12

Well you always have to have, and even if it's not so, you have to have, and

23:17

that's where

23:18

delusion comes in because delusion is only delusional when you don't accomplish

23:22

the goals

23:23

of making your delusions a reality.

23:25

Right.

23:26

That's what is delusional.

23:27

Right.

23:28

You're just enforcing your mindset.

23:30

Oh yeah, to allow those delusions to be the reality of your, um, assessment.

23:35

Now, when you're doing this and you're getting up in the morning and running,

23:39

does this like,

23:40

do you feel like you felt in the old days?

23:44

Do you, I mean, I don't mean physically, I mean the mind.

23:47

Like you're preparing for war again.

23:49

Do you, does this, does this like, reignite those old thoughts?

23:53

The way you were when you were the champ?

23:55

The way you were when you were on your way to the title?

23:58

Like this is a, this is a whole new way of life.

24:00

You know what's really interesting?

24:02

That sometimes, um, period, it's not real, but sometimes I struggle with the

24:09

fact of wow, there's a possibility I can really hurt somebody.

24:13

Like you don't want to hurt them.

24:15

What do you mean when you struggle, struggle with the possibility that you

24:20

could hurt them?

24:21

That is sometimes, it's orgasmic sometimes.

24:26

Hmm.

24:27

Yeah.

24:28

Like some fights, like particularly like Tyrell Biggs, or someone that you had

24:34

problems with.

24:35

Someone that you, you had animosity towards.

24:38

So when you could finally get your hands on them.

24:41

Hey, um, what does it mean, um, when fighting gets you, gets you erect?

24:48

What does that mean?

24:49

It's a good question.

24:50

It means you're getting excited.

24:53

Yeah.

24:54

So that, that's going through your mind right now.

24:57

Well, that's how I get when I was a kid and I, you know, sometimes I get the twinkle.

25:02

The twinkle.

25:03

Yeah.

25:04

Well, that's what I'm saying.

25:05

It's like you reached a state as a human being, as a champion, as a ferocious

25:09

fighter.

25:10

You reached a state of, of ability and of accomplishment that very few humans

25:15

will ever, ever touch and feel.

25:18

That's why I'm asking you when you're running, when you're hitting the bag,

25:22

when that heart's beating again,

25:23

that you know who you are.

25:24

You're Mike motherfucking Tyson.

25:26

So when you're doing all this shit again, you're still Mike Tyson.

25:29

Those thoughts have got to be burning inside you again.

25:32

It's got to be pretty wild.

25:34

I don't know.

25:35

It's, um, it's wild, but I, um, I believe it's, um, it's rightfully so to be

25:42

that way.

25:43

And I just know how to, um, I don't think I, I mastered it, but I just know how

25:47

to deal with it.

25:48

I don't let it overwhelm me.

25:50

No.

25:51

No.

25:52

Well, of course not.

25:53

But saying that, it gets you orgasmic.

25:56

That's a strange thing to say.

25:58

Well, that's just what I want.

26:00

I wanted to find out cause you're really bright.

26:02

And I thought you were, no, I'm being very serious.

26:05

No, I know.

26:06

I know you're being serious, but I mean, no one will understand that other than

26:10

you.

26:11

Like that's your, your mindset.

26:13

Like no one want it.

26:14

But I think that like all the things we were talking about before, the way you

26:17

drive yourself,

26:18

the way you push yourself, the way you put yourself into that frame of mind,

26:21

no one's going to understand that other than you.

26:23

So no one's going to understand you get an erection from thinking about hurting

26:27

someone more than you will.

26:29

There has to be fear based in somewhere.

26:32

Fear based?

26:34

Maybe.

26:35

Or maybe just, maybe not fear based, but maybe embracing the fact that you're

26:42

going to go into this with everything that you have.

26:45

The chaos of it all.

26:47

And the ultimate goal is to hurt somebody.

26:50

The ultimate goal is to be extremely successful.

26:52

The way you can be extremely successful, the thing you do great is to crush

26:56

people.

26:57

So to have that encompass everything.

27:00

This fighting is the only thing I don't ask Allah for, um, I just don't ask him

27:05

for help for that.

27:06

You don't ask him for help for fighting?

27:08

Yeah.

27:09

Because you think you got it?

27:10

No, I just don't think, I just, oh.

27:11

You don't think you should ask?

27:12

I just don't want to be involved with that kind of mindset in Allah.

27:16

So.

27:17

I, you know, people do, they go to, I just don't.

27:20

I just don't because it's just, I don't like the way I think and I don't want

27:24

God to be, you know, involved with the way I think at that time.

27:28

Well, this is what's so interesting to me about you fighting again because of

27:31

the conversation that we had the last time you were here that you didn't want

27:34

to reignite your ego.

27:35

Clearly your ego's blazing right now.

27:38

I mean, you're ready to go.

27:39

Well, maybe because I, um, I'm an addict, a former addict and I'm on a narcotic

27:45

ring, the camera's on me.

27:47

Yeah.

27:48

This is a big narcotic and maybe.

27:49

Right.

27:50

That has something to do with it as well.

27:51

But I like to think it's under control until the night of the event.

27:55

That, yeah.

27:56

The night of the event.

27:57

So it's, the, the addiction will get purged with the, with the performance.

28:02

Yeah.

28:03

That's why, um, you know, I was, I was doing, um, if you don't mind me to

28:06

interrupt for a second.

28:08

I was, um, the book that talks to you, what do they call it?

28:11

Audio book.

28:12

Audio book.

28:13

And it was called, um, the gene key.

28:16

Okay.

28:17

This book in the book was explaining about why that we are who we are in that

28:22

perspective that most of the people like you and myself and people, people in

28:26

general, who is not at that level, even anyone that have a creative mind is

28:31

victimized to depression.

28:33

And the reason is because, um, when that creative, when that moment, whatever

28:39

it is that causes that creativity is not fit the proper information that is

28:44

successful and that is accepted in whatever space of the brain or the mind that

28:49

wants, it wants to be accepted.

28:52

And it's not accepted.

28:53

It crumbles.

28:55

Does that make sense?

28:58

Well, I feel like with someone like you, the highs that you reach in competing,

29:04

the highs you reach in fighting are so high that it's probably very difficult

29:09

to, it's probably very difficult to just exist outside of that.

29:14

And I know you love pot for that reason, because it calmed you down and mellowed

29:17

you out and chilled you out.

29:19

Absolutely.

29:20

Um, it made me like myself.

29:22

Mm-hmm.

29:23

Do you understand that?

29:24

Yeah, I do.

29:25

Yeah.

29:26

It gives you forgiveness of yourself.

29:27

Yeah, I agree with that.

29:28

I never thought about that.

29:29

I never wanted to be forgiven much because that's really powerful stuff.

29:33

Yeah.

29:34

To have to accept forgiveness is really powerful stuff.

29:36

And to forgive yourself.

29:37

Yeah.

29:38

Yeah.

29:39

Yeah.

29:40

It's hard to forgive other people.

29:41

Sometimes it's harder to forgive yourself.

29:42

Yes.

29:43

And marijuana makes you feel like it makes me more, uh, compassionate.

29:47

It makes me more friendly.

29:48

It makes me want to hug people.

29:49

It gives you more of a sense of community.

29:51

Exactly.

29:52

It makes me like people who I believe did something wrong to me.

29:54

Yeah.

29:55

It's okay.

29:56

He's a good nigga.

29:57

He's my man.

29:58

Yeah.

29:59

It's like, he didn't mean it.

30:00

He's just all fucked up just like me.

30:01

Oh, man.

30:02

Yeah.

30:02

But if I'm drunk, I'm gonna blow that bread.

30:04

Oh, God.

30:05

The, the fighting thing that, that, to feed that, that experience is a, it's a

30:16

different experience.

30:17

And it's, it's, it's gotta be so hard for a world championship fighter of your

30:22

caliber to exist with like regular, normal, boring life.

30:27

You know, when you're training and you, you're ramping yourself up for a big

30:31

fight and then you have that big fight and you, you know, you knock out Spinks

30:35

in front of the whole world and you're, you're, you're walking around the ring

30:39

and you're on the cover of every magazine that the highs of that, the

30:42

accomplishment, the training and then the competing itself is the, the

30:46

experience is so alien to most people that when you walk around with regular

30:50

folks in regular life, it's gotta, it's gotta be hard to exist.

30:54

No, it's not.

30:55

It's just that, um, you have to know who you can be at certain times in your

31:01

life.

31:02

No one knows who they are.

31:03

Cause if you know, if you knew who you were right now, you'd be really limited,

31:06

you know, cause life is about change.

31:08

You're gonna be totally, then five years from now, you'd be a different person,

31:10

won't be this person.

31:11

Right.

31:12

So we're gonna have to have, develop some kind of emotional intelligence and

31:18

just learn to, as time goes on, grasp whatever going on and just form with it.

31:23

As it change, you change with it.

31:25

Cause it's very difficult when times change to change with the times.

31:29

Right.

31:30

And you have to be conscious of that.

31:31

And the times is not the people around you.

31:34

The time is the development and time you have left in this planet that you have

31:38

to develop who you are.

31:40

How difficult is it to make that change though, to become a different person

31:44

other than a world championship fighter?

31:46

Like when you decided to stop, was it difficult?

31:49

Well, time will make you that person.

31:50

Time will.

31:51

Yeah, time will make you that person.

31:53

What is time?

31:54

I don't know.

31:55

Right.

31:56

But time has also made you that person again now though.

31:59

Now, now it's reignited.

32:01

Now new time has come and now you're training again.

32:04

Exactly.

32:05

But I think this is done mostly for my health.

32:09

For my mortality more than anything.

32:12

Subconsciously, I think.

32:14

That's what, what's the reason why I did it.

32:16

Just to be healthy.

32:17

To get in shape, to be healthy.

32:18

Yeah.

32:19

And then this stuff goes on.

32:20

And then this.

32:21

And then I meet a doctor and say, hey, you know, you should do this and this.

32:23

And you should try up stem cells.

32:25

I'm like, you never tried stem cells.

32:26

But this is what really got me interested in this stuff.

32:30

I saw, I interviewed, which I like to do you as well.

32:33

On my podcast.

32:34

If you, if you're licensed to do it, it's your contract one.

32:35

Oh yeah, for sure.

32:36

So, um, I had the opportunity to, um, talk to Ken Shamrock.

32:46

Okay.

32:47

And so he came in and I looked at him and I said, fuck, he looked incredible.

32:50

What the fuck?

32:51

Hey, what are you doing right now?

32:52

Why you look like that?

32:53

How's that happen?

32:54

And he said it was in Columbia and I said, where?

32:57

And give me, I'm going tomorrow.

32:59

Right.

33:00

Right.

33:01

But, um, I had some people nearby that I happened to be introduced to and they

33:04

were on, um, they're

33:05

on the top.

33:06

Oh, they're really.

33:07

Is that that bio accelerator place down in Columbia?

33:10

Is that what it is?

33:11

I didn't go there.

33:12

Is that where Henry Cejudo went?

33:13

I have no idea who went there.

33:14

I have no idea where it was at.

33:15

I just knew it was in Columbia.

33:17

And, um, I met some other people who were, um, yes, on top of the game, on

33:21

their game with

33:22

this anti-aging, all this stuff that's going on with this alternative stuff

33:25

also.

33:26

And so, um, I met these people and it was just amazing stuff.

33:32

So, you're able to now train all these days a week.

33:37

You, you have, uh, like how many months in now?

33:40

You, you, you're solid since April?

33:42

Yes.

33:43

And you attribute that mostly to all these different alternative methods of, uh,

33:47

healing and recovery?

33:47

Absolutely.

33:48

Especially, um, this is a gentleman that we call, his name is Brad Rowe.

33:51

We call him the mechanic, the electrician that is.

33:54

And he, and he works through, you know, current forces and that was just-

33:59

Oh, electro-muscular stimulation, those things?

34:01

Yeah, but it's different.

34:02

It's totally different.

34:03

It's different?

34:04

It's in that family, but it's just totally superior than that.

34:06

That's just so antiquated compared to this stuff, you know?

34:09

So, uh, you, you, you were talking about your ability to, you run in the

34:13

morning.

34:14

Yes.

34:15

And now what's the afternoons like?

34:16

What are you doing in the afternoons?

34:17

Um, that's when I'm training.

34:18

Around one o'clock I'm in the gym, I'm doing the training.

34:21

Um, 2:30 I'm probably talking on the phone and flipping some deals, making

34:28

arrangements probably

34:30

to do other shows, the commercial or else some ads and just-

34:34

Business stuff.

34:35

Yeah, business stuff.

34:36

And then-

34:37

How did you get hooked up with Rafael Cordero?

34:38

Cause for folks who don't know, he's legendary trainer in MMA.

34:42

He's from Shoot the Box in Brazil.

34:44

He was one of the top guys back when, uh, Shoot the Box was the number one MMA

34:48

camp in

34:49

Brazil where Anderson Silva and Vanderlei Silva-

34:52

I found this out later, but this is how this happened.

34:55

The two of us met.

34:56

Um, I said, hey, you know, I like to hit the mitts.

35:00

You know, you didn't think I could hit the mitts with somebody thinking you got

35:03

somebody

35:03

around to hit the mitts.

35:04

I was getting ready to go to Freddy's gym.

35:06

Freddy Roach?

35:07

Yeah.

35:08

And then, um, someone said they had, um, Rafael.

35:13

And I said, okay, let me check him out.

35:15

And he was, he was just perfect.

35:17

Is he near you?

35:18

Does he live near you or something?

35:19

He lives in Laguna.

35:20

I'm in Newport.

35:22

Uh, what is another, Laguna?

35:25

Close enough.

35:26

Yeah.

35:27

Yeah, that's close.

35:28

That's real close.

35:29

So he's there, I believe in, um, yeah.

35:31

He's a great trainer.

35:32

We just came from Vegas and stuff.

35:34

We, um, just hanging out, you know, had to go someplace.

35:37

And, um, he's just, um, cool, cool.

35:41

Before, I met him before the, um, pandemic, but that's what I mean.

35:45

We came before the pandemic.

35:46

We were in Vegas and we met, I guess, at the, um, one of the UFC fights.

35:51

And then I met him over here and I was saying, I want to hit the mitts.

35:54

And then that's how we, um, got back together.

35:58

He's a great man, like a good person.

36:00

No, the reason why I kept, not necessarily because he was awesome with the mitts,

36:05

because he put so much peace and love and stuff to the whole family, the whole

36:09

camp.

36:10

He's a beautiful man.

36:11

His image, his energy is just awesome.

36:13

Yeah, he's got great energy.

36:15

He's beloved.

36:16

Yes.

36:17

Like in the MMA world and all the people that he trains with, everyone loves

36:20

Rafael Cordero.

36:21

Oh, he's the best.

36:22

You can't find a person to say a bad word about that man.

36:23

Oh, man, he's so awesome.

36:24

And he's a very good trainer.

36:25

And he's, he also was a guy, like I was that style, that hot, that shoot box

36:29

style.

36:30

They were very aggressive.

36:32

And I was like, oh, that actually makes sense.

36:34

Him and you together.

36:35

Yeah.

36:36

When we do drills, the drills are what's going on.

36:38

It's no, when we hit in the mitts, it's no, you say, hey, hit the mitts.

36:41

Pop, pop, pop.

36:42

It's boom.

36:43

We're moving.

36:44

It's action.

36:45

Boom.

36:46

Yeah.

36:47

You know, hard breathing and the way it's working at it.

36:50

Yeah.

36:51

I'm watching and I'm saying this is, it's interesting because he's doing, he's

36:54

got you doing a lot

36:55

of like side to side and angles.

36:57

Oh yeah.

36:58

Listen, I do eight, eight rounds on the bag and I do four rounds with me and I'm

37:01

moving

37:01

and oh, you feel how hard going.

37:03

That's that bag.

37:04

What was that bag?

37:05

Was that, was that even really workout?

37:07

Yeah.

37:08

You know, he said, was that really even a workout?

37:10

What was that?

37:11

The warming up for this?

37:12

What was that about?

37:13

You don't even know that existed after you did the four or five rounds.

37:16

You go from April when you first started doing it again to now, how much better

37:20

do you feel?

37:21

Listen, that was just a joke at the beginning.

37:26

You know, right now it's really perking up.

37:29

It feels like real training.

37:31

Yeah.

37:32

It does.

37:33

It's taking that deep breath.

37:36

Do you feel like you could train as hard as you did back when you were in your

37:41

prime?

37:42

Well, listen, you have a tape here, don't you, that we could look at?

37:45

Is it filmed?

37:46

Did someone something over?

37:47

Do you have a film of my tape of me hitting the mitts in my prime and see me

37:49

hitting the mitts now?

37:51

I bet we do.

37:52

I bet you can find it.

37:53

Somebody must have.

37:54

Hit the mitts in '88 and let me hit the mitts from last weekend.

37:57

You tell me.

37:58

No, listen, I'll tell you.

37:59

You look fucking fantastic.

38:00

That's what's interesting about it.

38:01

That blew me.

38:02

I said, wow, that's me.

38:03

I said, look at this.

38:04

Yeah.

38:05

I guess I had more endurance back then than that, but now I'm catching up.

38:08

Well, that's what's interesting about it.

38:10

It's not like watching an old fighter that has lost it that's just trying to

38:14

compete.

38:15

It's like watching an old fighter regain those old skills.

38:18

Like you look great, man.

38:19

That's what's crazy about it.

38:21

I'm just going to work on this and work off it and keep working on it and see

38:24

where this

38:25

goes.

38:26

It's so exciting.

38:27

I love it.

38:28

I love it.

38:29

I love it.

38:30

Listen, this is Johnny Ryan, the guy that works with us in Aeros and stuff.

38:35

When we announced the fights, we got in 2.5 billion hits.

38:43

I'm serious.

38:45

I believe it.

38:46

I believe it.

38:47

No, this is going to be a huge fight.

38:49

I mean, this fight is probably going to be one of the biggest fights of all

38:51

time in terms

38:52

of pay-per-view, in terms of people buying it and watching it.

38:54

There it is.

38:55

There's a great video.

38:56

In terms of helping people as well.

38:58

Of Roy and you training together.

39:01

There's a compilation.

39:03

It's crazy.

39:04

It looks like somebody speeded my goddamn field.

39:05

I know.

39:06

You look crazy.

39:07

My mother-in-law said they speed that up and my wife said they speed that up.

39:09

I said no, I think they did not.

39:11

That's the electrician.

39:14

Oh, the electrical muscular stimulation shit?

39:18

Yeah.

39:19

Yeah.

39:20

No, it doesn't look like it's sped up.

39:21

It looks like you still have the speed.

39:23

That's what it looks like.

39:24

What's so exciting about it?

39:25

With a King's MMA shirt on?

39:27

Yeah.

39:28

It's so exciting.

39:30

It's so exciting, man.

39:31

It really is.

39:33

I'm 100% into this.

39:36

And I can't wait for the fight to go down.

39:37

It's going to be November 18th now, right?

39:39

I believe that's it.

39:40

28th.

39:41

28th?

39:42

28th, yes.

39:43

There's enough time for fans and everybody on Thanksgiving to be home and they'll

39:46

be able

39:46

to view it for the holidays and just be able to help more people, the more

39:50

people that

39:51

view it.

39:52

This is so exciting, man.

39:53

Now, are you doing weightlifting?

39:55

Are you doing any swimming?

39:56

Like, what are the kind of exercises you're doing?

39:58

The only swim I did was doing that shark commercial.

40:00

That was the only swim I was going to ask you about that.

40:02

And we're doing little weights, just a lot of reps and just doing a lot of...

40:08

So you have a strength and conditioning coach?

40:10

Yeah, Brad Rowe.

40:11

Okay, so he's doing...

40:12

Yeah.

40:13

Yeah.

40:14

Brad Rowe.

40:15

I've heard that name before.

40:16

Weightlifting champ, trained weightlifting champs and all that stuff.

40:20

And he's just an awesome person.

40:22

We just kick him butt.

40:24

And how many days a week are you doing strength and conditioning along with

40:27

your running and your

40:27

boxing training?

40:28

I think from Monday to Friday.

40:29

I think we do Saturdays too.

40:30

I say, "Hey, I'm bored.

40:31

Let's just go Saturday and work too."

40:32

Wow.

40:33

How good does it feel to get back in shape again, man, and to look great?

40:36

Hey, it feels awesome, but listen, there's nothing easy about it.

40:40

You know, getting in shape is not easy.

40:43

It's just...

40:44

It's continuous stuff.

40:46

It's consistency.

40:47

There it is.

40:48

Big ol' brat.

40:49

So how the fuck did they talk you into getting in the ocean with sharks?

40:55

What was that all about?

40:56

Listen, I don't know how they did this.

40:59

The money wasn't really that great and stuff.

41:02

You know?

41:03

And I'm sorry, Shark World.

41:05

Your guys underpaid me.

41:08

And they had me out there.

41:12

I was there and it was really interesting, man.

41:17

It was really interesting.

41:19

I'm just saying, how did these guys get me in here?

41:22

Yeah.

41:23

I was wondering the same thing.

41:24

And this old Dana thought he was doing me.

41:26

I said, "Oh, don't fight.

41:27

I don't want Mike to fight.

41:28

I think Mike do a couple of gigs with these guys."

41:30

And I'm saying, "Thanks a lot, Dana.

41:31

You really like me.

41:32

Dana really like me."

41:33

I'm saying, "Dana really cares about me."

41:37

He said, "Forget the fight.

41:38

I don't want to see Mike fight.

41:39

I want to see Mike go fuck with some sharks."

41:42

Yeah.

41:43

I would say fighting is probably safer.

41:45

Dana didn't want you to fight, right?

41:48

Yeah, but then he wants me to go with sharks though.

41:51

Why didn't he want you to fight?

41:55

Did you talk to him about it?

41:56

No.

41:57

He has never seen it until he's seen it and watched me.

42:00

Once he saw you, then he changed his mind?

42:02

Mm-hmm.

42:03

Yeah.

42:04

I think when someone sees the dedication that you have, that you're actually

42:08

fit, that you're

42:08

actually moving fast, and you actually can compete at a very high level.

42:11

I just had to realize that I'm not going to rush in there like that no more.

42:15

I got to move around.

42:16

I got to do it in a different way.

42:17

Because I tried to go in there the first time and it was a disaster.

42:20

So I went in there thinking, using my head, moving, and things went the way I

42:24

wanted it to go.

42:25

How long in training was the first time you sparred?

42:28

The first time I sparred?

42:29

15 years.

42:30

First time you sparred in 15 years?

42:31

Yeah.

42:32

And how many months into training was that?

42:34

You started in April, so when did you start sparring?

42:36

The really boxing stuff, boxing stuff, is when I did that stuff with Ralphiel.

42:44

The first time.

42:45

Right, but you mean first sparring, first sparring rounds.

42:48

Yeah, it was really weird and stuff.

42:50

But I realized when I was getting hit, boom, boom, boom, I get hit a couple of

42:53

times.

42:54

I didn't go like, what the fuck am I doing?

42:55

I said, wait, I belong here.

42:57

Oh.

42:58

It brought it back.

42:59

Yeah.

43:00

I said, I belong here.

43:01

Boom, boom, boom.

43:02

I got rock and I heard the ring and boom.

43:04

I said, boom.

43:05

I didn't panic.

43:06

I said, oh, I belong here.

43:07

Wow.

43:08

I said, I belong here.

43:09

I started moving and started talking about it.

43:11

I said, whoa, I belong here.

43:12

Nice.

43:13

I never said, what the fuck am I doing?

43:15

This shit is crap.

43:16

It just never happened.

43:17

It never happened.

43:18

I was expecting that.

43:19

You were expecting the what the fuck am I doing?

43:21

I was like, what the fuck?

43:22

Fuck this shit.

43:23

Hey, hey, stop.

43:24

Fuck this shit, nigga.

43:25

I ain't doing this shit.

43:26

But that's what I was expecting really.

43:29

I said, whoa.

43:30

Boom, boom, boom, boom.

43:31

I said, whoa, I belong here.

43:32

Then you felt it and you readjusted.

43:34

That's the first thing I said.

43:35

I said, whoa, I belong here.

43:37

Nice.

43:38

Nice.

43:39

How long did it take before you started feeling comfortable sparring?

43:42

The next time I sparred again.

43:44

Really?

43:45

Yeah.

43:46

So the next time you sparred again, you just could get back into the mindset of

43:50

what it's

43:50

like to be competing and moving with another person.

43:53

Yeah.

43:54

And you can't go for the kill because your body's not moving for the kill now.

43:58

Right.

43:59

You have to develop the relationship.

44:01

Ooh, this is going to be interesting when you hear this.

44:03

And the fighter probably doesn't understand that.

44:05

But as he gets older, you have to develop, reacquaint a relationship with your

44:10

mind and

44:10

your body.

44:11

Mm.

44:12

Your legs go here before your body's ready to go with it.

44:14

Right.

44:15

Right.

44:16

So you have to, um.

44:17

They have to sync up.

44:18

Yeah.

44:19

They have to sync up.

44:20

Now you have to talk.

44:21

Hey, before we were like, wing, wing, wing.

44:22

Before we were like, let's do it.

44:23

Bing, bing, bing.

44:24

Now it's like, hey, let's move here.

44:25

Let's move here.

44:26

Right.

44:27

You have to talk.

44:28

You lose that tenth of a second when you talk to yourself.

44:29

Right.

44:30

So you're doing it instantly.

44:31

So do you think eventually you'll get back to automatic?

44:34

Well, we're gonna see.

44:35

Yeah.

44:36

I like that.

44:37

Yeah.

44:38

Yeah.

44:39

I'd like that too.

44:40

I like that.

44:41

It's exciting though, man.

44:42

It's very exciting to see you sparring again, to see all that.

44:45

Um, now when you're sparring, are you, uh, sparring technically?

44:49

Are you sparring hard?

44:50

Like how is sparring?

44:51

Listen, um, the first time I went back to sparring, I tried to go all out and

44:56

that was disastrous.

44:57

Uh, my body was, uh, it wasn't listening.

45:00

Right.

45:01

Right.

45:02

And so I had, like you said, I had to develop that relationship.

45:05

And the second time I sparring, that was better.

45:07

That was so much better.

45:08

Yeah.

45:09

Yeah.

45:10

I wasn't rushing and trying to hurt nobody, kill nobody.

45:12

I was just trying to accomplish stuff.

45:13

Get working.

45:14

Yeah.

45:15

Just get working.

45:16

Yeah.

45:17

How do you sparring a week?

45:18

Um, when I go back to sparring, I like sparring every day.

45:21

Really?

45:22

Every day.

45:23

Yeah, because the more you do it, the better it is.

45:25

Right.

45:26

The more your timing is, the better you feel.

45:27

Yeah.

45:28

What are your thoughts on, like, some people think that you can spar too much

45:30

and then you

45:30

leave too much in the gym because you get hit too much in camp?

45:33

Well, that's the whole thing you learn in camp, not to get hit.

45:36

Mm-hmm.

45:37

That's the art of boxing, learning not to get hit in a fight.

45:39

Right.

45:40

And you have to do that by trying to get hit in the gym.

45:42

Yeah.

45:43

Real seriously and avoiding that.

45:45

And then it turns out in a fight.

45:47

So you shouldn't be in the gym saying, "I've been hit too much," because you

45:51

shouldn't

45:51

get hit because that should be the objective of fighting, not to get hit as

45:54

much as you

45:56

believe you are.

45:57

What do you say to a fighter that sees themselves getting hit too much, though,

46:01

in sparring?

46:01

Do you tell them to take some time off or do you say...

46:04

You know what I say?

46:05

I try to teach him how not to avoid those punches.

46:09

And if he doesn't, I don't really want to have much to do with somebody because

46:13

I don't

46:13

want to be involved with somebody getting hit and getting hurt and stuff like

46:16

that.

46:17

Right.

46:18

Well, I know you were doing a lot of coaching of just even little small

46:22

sessions with different

46:23

fighters.

46:24

Yeah.

46:25

There's a bunch of stuff on the internet.

46:26

Did you think about doing that in the future?

46:28

Like maybe being a trainer?

46:29

No, no.

46:30

Not at this moment.

46:31

It just takes a really special...

46:32

You should know.

46:33

It takes a special person to do that.

46:34

Be a mother, a father, a psychiatrist, a dietitian.

46:38

It's just so many hats you have to wear being a trainer.

46:41

A good trainer.

46:42

A true trainer to yourself and your fighters.

46:44

It's just a lot of hats that's really overwhelming for me and my personality.

46:48

I totally can understand that.

46:50

But I would also imagine that in your mind there's some knowledge that I would

46:55

love to

46:55

see passed on to other fighters in a way like a trainer, only a trainer can do.

46:59

Yeah.

47:00

I'm the kind of guy, if you want to know from me, you got to learn from a

47:02

distance.

47:02

Let me talk to you or something because I'm not like Cuss.

47:05

Cuss would never get tired answering questions.

47:09

Sometimes my son asked me, so I said, "Why are these guys asking me?"

47:12

Because that's the way I was with Cuss.

47:13

Right.

47:14

Constantly asking questions.

47:15

But I'm not Cuss.

47:16

Cuss would never get...

47:17

He would love to answer all my questions.

47:18

Because Cuss wanted the perception that he knew everything and you should

47:22

listen to him

47:23

and take his advice because he knew everything.

47:25

Yeah.

47:26

You know, that's what it's like.

47:27

If you was his friend, you always came to him for advice.

47:30

He always wanted advice, wanted to give his advice and let you know that he was

47:34

a superior

47:34

thinker and that you should come to him and he'll settle your problems.

47:37

That's just what he was.

47:39

You know, do you ever think back on your life, like your life with Cuss and

47:44

just the story,

47:45

the origin story is almost like a movie.

47:48

It's almost too crazy.

47:49

No, no, no.

47:50

Let me tell you what happened, man.

47:51

I'm in Sparfit, detention for boys.

47:54

And Muhammad Ali, they showed the movie The Greatest.

47:57

It's like '77, '76, I'm 11 years.

47:59

They played Ali and then Ali walks in and talked to the kids.

48:04

And I saw him and I saw everybody going crazy.

48:06

I said, "I want to be like him."

48:07

And from there, I go upstate New York.

48:10

There's a guy that used to be a professional boxer named Bobby Stewart.

48:13

Mr. Stewart taught me how to box and eventually said, "I want to introduce you."

48:18

And he took me upstairs and met Customato.

48:20

This is all in a couple of months since I've seen Ali.

48:23

And now I'm training to be a boxer.

48:26

Crazy.

48:27

And you were 13, right?

48:29

No, I was, I would think I was 13, yeah.

48:34

Look, that's like a movie.

48:36

It's like a movie.

48:37

It was, no.

48:38

I knew I was going to be successful.

48:40

I knew everything was going to go right.

48:42

I knew it.

48:43

It was in my blood.

48:44

I was only a kid, but I say, "I want to be like that guy."

48:47

And they just started working.

48:49

And it's such an amazing...

48:51

Listen, not even, not even three or four months after I saw Ali.

48:56

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

48:57

I met him.

48:58

I'm in one place.

48:59

I had a fight.

49:00

Trying to stab a guy I did with a pencil or something.

49:03

I go from there and I go over to this bad place, Elmwood, this cottage.

49:08

That's where Bobby Stewart, because he's a fighter and he had to take care of

49:12

these.

49:12

All the staff there, big straw men, because they have to take care of these

49:16

very interesting

49:17

kids, you know, like homicidal kids.

49:20

These are kids, but they're really wild.

49:23

Yeah, but wild.

49:24

And so that's the job.

49:26

We're in the wild.

49:27

We're in the bad college, the lockup college, Elmwood.

49:30

And so we have the bad remedies.

49:33

That's the crazy kid college.

49:34

It gets to lock down.

49:35

No one can go outside like we.

49:37

They got to be handcuffed when they leave the cottage and stuff.

49:41

And so that's where I've gotten my tutelage.

49:45

That's where I learned to go to school.

49:47

That's where I've learned everything in this bad boy place.

49:49

This place where all the bad kids at.

49:51

And since they had to have extreme kind of guards, their security, Mr. Stewart

49:57

was a professional

49:57

boxer.

49:58

And he would teach the kids how to box if they behaved themselves and got on a

50:02

certain level

50:03

in which you can go back there and box.

50:05

And guys were coming back to their dome.

50:08

I was locked up.

50:09

I wasn't on the level to go there because I had just got there.

50:11

So they put me in the back to lock you up to, they see what kind of person you

50:15

are.

50:15

So they'll put you in the group.

50:17

And I see these guys coming back with their eyes busted, teeth knocked out of

50:20

the ribs.

50:21

So, but they were happy.

50:23

They're laughing about this.

50:24

Yo, he fucked you up.

50:25

Yo, baby.

50:26

You almost got him.

50:27

And I say, yo, what's going on?

50:28

And what's happening?

50:29

They say, yo, we're fighting Mr. Stewart.

50:30

We're boxing Mr. Stewart and stuff.

50:32

And they're happy with the bleeding and the tooth knocked out of the head.

50:35

But they were happy.

50:36

And it was enthusiastic.

50:37

And I said, I wanted to do that too.

50:38

Because I wanted to be tough.

50:39

And so Mr. Stewart, I talked to him.

50:41

He didn't want to teach me.

50:42

So I started cleaning and being real nice kids to everybody.

50:45

Because I wanted to learn how to box.

50:46

All the kids were happy.

50:47

And he started teaching me how to box.

50:49

It's crazy that you met Cuss too.

50:51

Because out of all the people that you could meet, no one was better at the

50:55

psychological game.

50:56

Oh, I would never have been the champ if I wasn't from Cuss.

50:59

Because he put stuff in my mind.

51:01

I started thinking about myself being these people.

51:04

Visualizing myself being, I don't know, great or somebody.

51:07

I've never done that in my life.

51:09

I've never heard, not even in the ghetto, somebody say this.

51:12

Like, I said, wow, he's great.

51:14

I'm talking about, like, Holmes.

51:16

I said, wow, he's incredible.

51:17

Why is he incredible?

51:19

I don't think he's that incredible.

51:21

Why shouldn't you have that?

51:23

Why should he have that and not you?

51:24

I've never heard somebody say that to me.

51:26

But Cuss was a master at the psychological game.

51:30

Yeah.

51:31

Master.

51:32

Like, you would hear him talk about things.

51:34

Just reading the things that he's written about the psychology of fighting.

51:38

He was the perfect guy for you.

51:40

It was almost like the stars aligned.

51:41

That's what I'm talking about.

51:42

Yeah.

51:43

It really is like a movie.

51:46

It really is like it all lined up.

51:48

And plus, physically, you were so unusual.

51:51

You were so unusual, so gifted.

51:53

I mean, even when you were really young.

51:54

Oh, no.

51:55

Everybody told him that.

51:56

He can't be able to.

51:57

He's too small.

51:58

No way in the world he can be too short, Cuss.

52:02

He's too small.

52:03

He's got a 225, 230.

52:07

Well, obviously they were wrong.

52:08

Big time.

52:09

But it was also, you might have been short, but you had the best style.

52:15

And Cuss developed that with you, the best style to deal with the fact that you

52:19

were shorter.

52:20

The bobbing and the weaving, the constant pressure.

52:22

Exactly.

52:23

But I believe style is relevant.

52:26

I believe it's the morale behind the style.

52:31

I think success and fighting in life is about desire and the will.

52:36

Yeah.

52:37

How bad do you want it?

52:38

Is it worth dying for?

52:39

That's the true greatness is the willingness to die.

52:42

So this thing worth greatness.

52:44

The mindset that he instilled in you and the way he gave you the tools in order

52:51

to think

52:51

about things in a way that fueled that mindset.

52:54

Yeah.

52:55

But that doesn't do good in the real world though.

52:57

It really is really disastrous in the real world.

53:00

Right.

53:01

Right.

53:02

Yeah.

53:03

That is true.

53:04

Yeah.

53:05

Isn't that crazy?

53:06

It's like the very thing that made you special could fuck you in the real world.

53:11

Oh, the real world.

53:12

Oh, the real world.

53:13

Guys like that go to prison.

53:15

They don't exist in the real world.

53:16

Yeah.

53:17

Take them out of there.

53:18

It's crazy.

53:19

They have to remove them from the real world.

53:21

Those kind of people like myself.

53:23

Isn't that what's crazy?

53:24

Like that's where the crazy adjustment has to come in.

53:26

Where you have to learn how to be.

53:27

And that's where cannabis helped you a lot too.

53:29

Yeah, a lot.

53:30

Oh man, forget it.

53:31

Forget it.

53:34

Forget it.

53:35

But now you're not smoking any weed getting ready for this fight.

53:37

No, no, no.

53:38

Do you miss it?

53:39

Well, I understand the discipline of this stuff.

53:43

Yeah.

53:44

But what I don't like about it is just that without cannabis, it doesn't matter

53:49

to me.

53:49

I just get mean.

53:50

Yeah.

53:51

I don't like the mean stuff.

53:52

Right.

53:53

I don't like I might snap at my wife or my kids.

53:55

That's what I don't like.

53:56

Right.

53:57

What?

53:58

Right, right, right.

53:59

Well, I see the sparkle in your eye again.

54:01

It's a little different right now than the last time I was talking to you.

54:04

Yeah.

54:05

There's a little more intensity going on, but it's also you're ramping up.

54:08

Yeah.

54:09

You know, I'm just always, um, and sometimes, um, I get beside myself and I

54:14

forget that, um,

54:17

I have to use it.

54:18

I have to be grateful.

54:19

Yeah.

54:20

For what I love, what God did in general.

54:22

And, um, sometimes, um, I get caught up into my ego.

54:26

Right.

54:27

So I, it's just a struggle, but I'm working on it.

54:29

I never worked on it before.

54:30

So that's a start.

54:31

Right.

54:32

Right.

54:33

Right.

54:34

I never considered working on it.

54:35

But that is the thing, right?

54:36

Yeah.

54:37

What gets you to be a championship level fighter can really fuck you up in the

54:39

rest of your life.

54:40

Oh, I can't believe it.

54:41

I'm so happy my wife is still with me.

54:43

I mean, it's very grateful because I'm, I'm just useless and stuff.

54:46

And I have to learn how to do, I have to learn how to live life.

54:50

Yeah.

54:51

Life, I'm disastrous and living life.

54:53

Oh, fucking joke.

54:55

I get it, man.

54:56

You would never believe, you know, I'm using these nice words and I'm

54:59

conducting myself.

55:00

You come to my nice house and you would say, this guy is just an uncool Neanderthal.

55:06

You know, so I just, I just listen to my wife and people think it's stupid.

55:11

I listen to this right.

55:12

So she told me, before I came in, be kind and be nice to everyone.

55:16

Just be kind and nice because I don't eat most of the time.

55:20

I only eat after we eat.

55:21

And if I don't eat enough, she says, she's going to get angry.

55:23

Can you please eat?

55:24

So she's forcing me to eat this stuff for Friday.

55:27

Goodness.

55:28

And so I said, okay, I eat.

55:29

But, um, she's right because of the time we've been married 11 years.

55:34

Well, you got a good one then, man.

55:35

You got someone who balances you out.

55:37

Oh, 11 years.

55:38

Someone who understands you.

55:39

Yeah.

55:40

I don't know.

55:41

Listen, I was talking to her.

55:42

So, you know, sometimes, sometimes I think about, um, we're together.

55:45

And this is going to be over soon.

55:47

And we're going to die.

55:48

One of us is going to die before the other one is going to say, I would not

55:51

know what to

55:51

do if you died first.

55:52

Wow.

55:53

And I had to take care of these kids because her whole life is me and all my

55:57

kids.

55:57

Right.

55:58

Her life is me.

55:59

And not only the two kids that we have, but her life is me and all my kids.

56:04

Right.

56:05

And, um, I would just love her and marry her just for that alone.

56:13

Mm.

56:14

No pussy, no passion, no sex, that alone.

56:17

Yeah.

56:18

Yeah.

56:19

That's beautiful, man.

56:20

To find someone who balances you out like that.

56:23

Absolutely.

56:24

But that, um, what we were talking about, where the very fire that gets you to

56:31

be Mike Tyson,

56:32

that turns you into this destroyer inside the ring, will, if you don't learn

56:36

how to control

56:38

it, will fuck you up in every other aspect.

56:40

Yeah.

56:41

For instance, like, after my one round fights, some of them caused me lawsuits

56:46

'cause right

56:46

after that, I'm, you think I'm calmed down?

56:48

You think after 30 seconds or 45 seconds, hey, he's cool.

56:52

After one round, everything's cool.

56:53

He's happy.

56:54

It's over.

56:55

It's still ringing.

56:56

Yeah.

56:57

It's revving up.

56:58

It's still revved.

56:59

It's not finished.

57:00

It's not dead.

57:01

The energy's not dead.

57:02

Not the energy that's your jet.

57:03

The energy of hurting somebody or continuing to hit somebody.

57:05

It's revved up.

57:06

Right.

57:07

And so the first thing you hear that indicates altercation.

57:09

It's not, hey, what, bro?

57:10

It's just off.

57:11

You have no control over it.

57:12

Right.

57:13

Yeah, but it's almost like you're insane.

57:15

Like, why can I stop this?

57:16

Why is this happening to me?

57:17

Why am I in jail right now?

57:19

And...

57:20

Why am I in fucking prison?

57:22

And you're Mike Tyson, so it's not like anybody could tell you not to do it.

57:25

Oh, man.

57:26

Or anybody could tell you to shut up or calm down.

57:28

You're not going to listen to anybody.

57:29

You're the fucking king of the world.

57:31

But it just gets crazy when the people in the jail and prison know you real

57:35

well.

57:36

You know?

57:37

They're familiar with you.

57:38

Like, when they see you, they're not excited now, right?

57:40

Yeah.

57:41

They get really familiar with you.

57:43

Um, Jamie Foxx is going to play you in a movie.

57:46

That's going to be interesting.

57:47

That's going to be interesting.

57:48

That's wild.

57:49

That's going to be interesting.

57:50

If anybody can do it, Jamie Foxx can do it.

57:52

That's a talented man.

57:53

He's really good at what he's done.

57:54

I agree.

57:55

He's fucking talented.

57:56

I agree.

57:57

That guy can do anything.

57:58

I agree.

57:59

He's one of those dudes, you listen to him sing, you hear him play music, you

58:01

see him do stand-up comedy, then you see him act.

58:03

You're like, this fucking guy can do anything.

58:05

He's just one of those dudes that can just lock in on something and he can do

58:09

anything.

58:10

Yo, listen, when the light is on you, when the universe puts the light on you,

58:15

there's nothing stronger than a person whose time has come.

58:18

Yeah.

58:19

It's all about the light, man.

58:21

All of us get it.

58:22

You may not think the homeless man in the corner, the blind and paralyzed guy

58:27

that's begging in the cup.

58:29

We all get that moment of shine.

58:31

We all get it.

58:32

Feelings, perform, whatever it is, we all get it.

58:37

Now, when Jamie is playing you, what does that feel like?

58:40

I know Michael Jai White played you once.

58:42

Yeah.

58:43

Did you talk to him about that?

58:44

No, I didn't know him or anything.

58:45

I was in jail when this guy was doing this stuff.

58:48

Oh, right.

58:49

Do you know Michael Jai?

58:50

I met him a few times.

58:51

He's a great guy.

58:52

He appears to be.

58:53

Very, very nice guy.

58:54

I've known him for a long time and very respectful guy, too.

58:57

But was it weird watching someone play you?

59:00

Dang, man.

59:02

No.

59:03

No?

59:04

No, no.

59:05

That ego shit kicks in, so I'm watching it.

59:10

And he had some good qualities in it.

59:12

He did some really good stuff that I thought.

59:15

But the stuff that he did that represented me, I don't think people even picked

59:21

up on it.

59:22

Like what kind of stuff?

59:23

It's the way he moved his head.

59:25

Yeah.

59:26

People don't know.

59:27

I crack my neck all the time.

59:28

Yeah, what was that about?

59:29

You were always doing that.

59:30

I don't know.

59:31

I don't know what had happened when I had fought.

59:33

Bone Crusher Smith's head hit me.

59:35

And the next thing I knew, I don't know how to crack him out.

59:37

I couldn't stop.

59:38

My neck was messed up.

59:39

So I had to go to a chiropractor.

59:42

I don't know what the heck was wrong with it.

59:44

So that was what it came from?

59:45

It was a nerve.

59:46

It was a nerve.

59:47

It was a nerve.

59:48

I started doing it.

59:49

Oh, wow.

59:50

I had some nerves.

59:51

It was a nerve that was...

59:52

And then in fact, I had to...

59:54

Did you ever have neck problems?

59:56

Like, would you need surgery or anything?

59:57

Yeah, I had surgery on my neck.

59:58

You know why?

1:00:00

You remember when I used to do those rolls on my head?

1:00:03

Yes.

1:00:04

Football rolls.

1:00:05

They destroyed me.

1:00:06

Bridges.

1:00:07

They destroyed your neck.

1:00:08

I would do them.

1:00:09

I would do them for three minutes, then stop a minute, do them for three

1:00:11

minutes.

1:00:11

So I'd do it for five or six rounds, eight rounds.

1:00:14

And as time went on, they just beat me up.

1:00:16

That gave you a crazy fucking neck, though, man.

1:00:18

Your neck used to start...

1:00:19

20 inches.

1:00:20

Your neck used to start at your temples and just go straight down.

1:00:23

It was huge.

1:00:24

For fighting, you need a good neck.

1:00:26

Are you doing anything to strengthen your neck down?

1:00:28

Yes, I have the weight stuff.

1:00:29

You ever use an iron neck?

1:00:31

Do you ever...

1:00:32

Tell me about that.

1:00:33

No.

1:00:34

It's a halo.

1:00:35

I'll give you one.

1:00:36

I have one in the back.

1:00:37

It's a halo.

1:00:38

You put it on.

1:00:39

You pump it up.

1:00:40

It fits around your head.

1:00:41

And then it's got a bungee cord on it.

1:00:42

So you back up like this.

1:00:43

The bungee cord's 50 pounds.

1:00:44

And because it doesn't do this with your neck, it doesn't put pressure on the

1:00:50

discs.

1:00:51

So it doesn't move the discs in an unnatural way with weight.

1:00:53

This way?

1:00:54

Yeah.

1:00:55

Because you can do all these different exercises on it, but it doesn't ever

1:00:59

bend your disc.

1:01:00

So it strengthens the neck without doing damage to your discs.

1:01:04

That sounds interesting.

1:01:05

Yeah, I'll give you one.

1:01:06

You know what I have?

1:01:07

I would love that.

1:01:08

Yeah.

1:01:09

Thank you.

1:01:10

I really appreciate it.

1:01:11

I have...

1:01:12

What's the name?

1:01:13

I have a treadmill that you have to put on some shorts first.

1:01:18

And then you zip your...

1:01:19

Oh, in the water?

1:01:20

No, it's not water.

1:01:21

You put on some shorts.

1:01:23

You zip the shorts with the plastic that covers the machine and you start

1:01:27

running.

1:01:28

And then you can run as fast as you can.

1:01:29

You won't feel anything.

1:01:30

Is it...

1:01:32

But it's not water inside of it?

1:01:33

No.

1:01:34

It's running on the treadmill.

1:01:35

It's on the plastic.

1:01:36

It's zipped up around you.

1:01:37

This thing right here?

1:01:38

Zero gravity treadmill?

1:01:39

Is that it?

1:01:40

That's what it is, yeah.

1:01:41

Oh.

1:01:42

How's that working?

1:01:43

That's pretty awesome.

1:01:44

You don't feel anything, then you take the pants off.

1:01:47

You feel a little flexible, you might fall to the floor.

1:01:49

Really?

1:01:50

Yeah, it's really cool.

1:01:51

So this way it doesn't beat up your joints?

1:01:53

Yeah.

1:01:54

But listen, this is what people don't understand.

1:01:56

Yeah, you have a machine that don't beat up your joints.

1:01:58

But when you're running outside, the high of running outside is almost worth

1:02:02

messing your joints up.

1:02:03

Really?

1:02:04

Yeah, the high you get from running outside.

1:02:07

What's the difference between the high you get from running outside?

1:02:09

You never felt that running?

1:02:10

I do.

1:02:11

I do.

1:02:12

I do run outside.

1:02:13

But what do you feel?

1:02:14

Man, it's just I can't even articulate this.

1:02:19

Between being outside running and it's like night and day.

1:02:26

Being inside a house on the treadmill and being outside running, it's like

1:02:29

night and day.

1:02:30

You can't even compare the two.

1:02:32

Is it because you're moving, you're traveling distance?

1:02:35

Is it because you're breathing in the fresh air?

1:02:37

It's a spiritual difference.

1:02:39

Mmm.

1:02:40

It's just the spiritual difference.

1:02:42

Running, hearing the birds, hearing the whatever it is the animals running

1:02:45

through, breaking the sticks

1:02:47

and the weeds.

1:02:48

You're just conscious of everything.

1:02:50

Right.

1:02:51

It's real running as opposed to just exercise on a machine.

1:02:54

Exactly.

1:02:55

Even if you have a headphone on, you're still conscious of everything out there.

1:02:58

Now, have you talked to Jamie Foxx?

1:03:01

Yeah.

1:03:02

While he's getting ready to do this?

1:03:04

I talk to Jamie just periodically, all the time.

1:03:07

We don't even talk about the film.

1:03:08

Really?

1:03:09

Yeah, we don't talk about it.

1:03:10

Now, he's getting bulked up too.

1:03:11

He's getting jacked.

1:03:12

He looks huge.

1:03:13

I just wait till he's finished.

1:03:15

When is this supposed to take place?

1:03:17

Whenever he's ready, I guess.

1:03:18

Oh, wow.

1:03:19

That's wild.

1:03:20

So, when he gets ready to do it, is he gonna hang out with you and try to take

1:03:25

on your mannerisms?

1:03:26

Well, he's known for quite a long time, so he knows my mannerisms.

1:03:30

He's not gonna...

1:03:31

If I died, he can do me.

1:03:34

Right, right.

1:03:35

Pretty much, you know, so he wouldn't have to be around me.

1:03:37

Do you want to help him?

1:03:39

Do you want to give him any pointers or anything?

1:03:41

Whatever he wants.

1:03:42

Whatever help and what areas and what direction he needs me to help him in.

1:03:46

Yeah.

1:03:47

Well, it's a great...

1:03:48

If I'm capable of doing it, yeah.

1:03:49

If you're gonna have someone play you, I think he's the perfect person.

1:03:52

He's just good.

1:03:53

And there's other guys too, but he's just...

1:03:55

He just knows the real...

1:03:56

He has been there, you know.

1:03:58

It's hard to get a guy that's just 20 years old and then we're gonna have him

1:04:02

portrayed as a 25.

1:04:04

And he just never get it right.

1:04:06

When somebody understands the environment that they lived in at that particular

1:04:11

time,

1:04:11

and they create that environment again in their mind once they're under the

1:04:14

influence of that person they're portraying,

1:04:18

Jamie's gonna just knock it out the park.

1:04:20

No, he'll knock it out the park.

1:04:21

For sure.

1:04:22

He understands that environment and that chemistry he's gonna reconnect.

1:04:28

Now, are you gonna be a consultant on this move or anything to make sure that

1:04:32

it's all legit?

1:04:33

Listen, Jamie will be around me.

1:04:35

He'll discuss it with me.

1:04:37

I'm sure we have that taken care of as well.

1:04:40

But, you know, we're just gonna work this out the best way possible for both of

1:04:44

us, I believe.

1:04:45

Now, when is that?

1:04:46

Is it supposed to follow you when you're a young man or is it supposed to be

1:04:50

you as a champion?

1:04:51

Well, we're not gonna talk about that right now.

1:04:53

It's gonna be a bunch of stuff, but you're gonna really dig it.

1:04:56

Oh, I'm sure.

1:04:57

And we're gonna tell them some really interesting stuff.

1:04:59

So you're saying that the running outside, it's worth it just for the spiritual

1:05:03

difference.

1:05:04

It's worth the beating up on the joints.

1:05:06

Does it, does it fuck with your joints?

1:05:08

Do you have like knee problems or ankle problems these days?

1:05:11

Yeah, I do, but the guys I work with, they take care of that right away.

1:05:18

You know, it's almost like, it's like, I don't know.

1:05:23

It's like, I don't know, I want to say healing like I'm 18,

1:05:28

but it's almost like putting superglue on your joints.

1:05:31

All right?

1:05:32

You know, like superglue and they get stuck in your feet.

1:05:34

You're like, oh, fuck, get the superglue.

1:05:36

You know, remember that time you put them and they get stuck in your feet?

1:05:38

You're like, God, you can't get it off.

1:05:40

It's like superglue on your joints.

1:05:41

It is interesting what they can do today.

1:05:43

Like, you could heal and recover way better than you ever could before.

1:05:47

There was no 54-year-old men that looked like you when we were kids.

1:05:50

No, no.

1:05:51

Jack O'Lane was the only one.

1:05:53

Yeah, and even Jack O'Lane, I mean, he was kind of fit, but he was just fit

1:05:57

because he was disciplined.

1:05:57

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1:05:58

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1:05:59

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1:06:00

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