YouTube is Unmanageable | Joe Rogan and Adam Conover

The real question is like who gets to decide what is offensive what is not I'm sure you're aware of the learn to code fiasco oh I kind of heard for saying learn to code and it was really mocking this idea that people were telling coal miners who are losing their jobs you know hey there's jobs in computer programming I should learn to code and we'll started mocking people by saying learn to code and then learn to code apparently according to Jack Dorsey and Vida it got connected to anti-semitic remarks and hate remarks and I decided out this level of internet this is internet nonsense you know it's fascinating because that doesn't mean anything like learn to code is not offensive it's like yeah well it's ridiculous to ask a 50 year old man is a coal miner to learn to code and doesn't have a formal education that is ridiculous but I mean the fact that you get banned for life for saying that that's actually even more ridiculous yeah but then there are cases where people go and they try to create like a if someone if someone who look there are anti-semites out there right they do try to come up with like ways to indicate anti-semitism to each other that other people won't detect you know what I mean via you know slang basically inner slang right and at some point someone needs to be able to say okay wait hold on saying this is we figured out this is an anti-semitic slang so we're not gonna allow you to say it you know what I mean it's like shit like 88 or what is another thing where it's like yeah this is the problem right this is the exact problem that you're talking about so but the contrary the contradiction that all of these platforms have right is the early days of the internet remember the early days it was like people were really concerned that people would start suing websites because what was on the website right like like the pirate bay the big torrent site you know like you're gonna get sued because you've got DVD screeners on there no hold us like we're just this is just where people can upload the shit you know Google getting sued because they would you know direct someone to the DVD screeners they searched for leaked DVD screener you know what I mean and so that was a big concern in the early days the internet right and so we established this precedent that like no no these sites don't have a responsibility for that right they're just how people are connecting the things they're not the people doing the bad shit right you go up to the people doing the bad shit not the people who made it possible to find the bad shit right now though we're in such a place where so all these businesses built themselves on the idea of YouTube right we don't make anything at YouTube we just give you a place to upload your videos right so at first that's fine all right just take down the anti-semitic you know white supremacy videos all right whatever right but now there's so so many of them right and also not only that YouTube's algorithm is directing people towards them and YouTube is selling ads against them and making money at them right and at the same time like you know these these videos exist right and at the same time they're still trying to say well we have no responsibility for that happening it's like hold on saying you guys built the system where any kind of content is allowed and you are you you've also bought the system that's directing people to that content and you built a system that's making money off of that content think you guys have a little bit of responsibility now I agree that the question of who polices it or whatever that's an extremely complicated conversation but like that's what I'm just saying about these companies trying to have it both ways they're trying to say we have no responsibility for what's on the platform but also we've allowed this kind of content to go up you know I don't know if YouTube profits on anti-semitic videos I don't know they have in the past I talk about in my show they have a demonetizing aspect of YouTube that affects people whenever anything's even remotely controversial controversial they've started they've started doing that up until like there's a case I talked about in my show like a year year or two ago where they were like running under armor brand under armor ads on like white supremacy YouTube videos you know what I mean yeah and that was like and their algorithm was causing their algorithm was causing that to happen right and these are videos getting hundred thousands of hits and it was like major brands and those brands found out oh wow and then so I don't know these video like what kind of I don't they say obvious anti-semitic things in these were these were obvious enough that anybody would be pissed off about him yeah and so that's where the demonetization thing came from right because they're like oh shit now the people who actually pay us the advertisers are pissed off right so okay let's put a band-aid on the problem and let's demonetize videos right here's the problem now they're doing that they're just doing that algorithmically right they're choosing which videos to demonetize algorithmically so sometimes they they demonetize stuff that they shouldn't that's definitely happened a ton and a lot of shit is still getting through the cracks you know and again they're saying okay we did what we did what we had to no you guys didn't solve the fucking problem because now people are pissed off again right so that is the fine that these companies are in they're based on this premise of we don't monitor anything but when you do that a lot of shit comes in and now you're in the position where sorry it's still your house the shit's happening in your house you threw the house party dude like like the vase got broken it's your fault at the end of the debt you have to take some responsibility for it and then well how am I supposed to police 200 kids I don't know you're the one who threw the party you know that's a good analogy because it's the scale that's the problem it's probably more like 200,000 kids in a house totally because it's unmanageable yeah when you think about how many different people are on YouTube and how many different countries are uploading videos and you know some of our Isis beheading videos yeah those those like there's a bunch of cartel videos that people have sent me to on YouTube and they stay up for a little while yeah you know you get to watch some horrible shit for a little while before they catch on