Why Famous People Can Get So Screwed Up | Joe Rogan and Maynard James Keenan

What you've done is pretty badass. It's the ultimate smart move, you know, in terms of like dealing with the, especially like the rockstar world. So strange because it's so image based with so many, you know, I mean, there's a bunch that don't even want to talk. I have had rockstars that wanted to come on here, but they wanted to only do it at night and they only wanted to have it with no video. They wanted it to be audio only. And I'm like, I want to stick. I just don't want it to be me. Well, it was like they were cultivating a thing. It has to be dark in the room. I want candles like, okay, I'm out. We're out. We're gone. This is not. Yeah, that's not. But you know, I remember that they probably, they were probably messed up. The reason they're, the reason they're doing what they're doing is because something happened to them earlier on, where there was an aggressive teacher, uncle, somebody that just kind of, you know, a dad was drunk. You know, there's stuff that pushes them in that direction to be, you know, expressive, controlling and wanting to be acknowledged and do it exactly my way because I was powerless as a child. Yeah, for sure. Right. And then the other thing you see with actors too, and they finally get some success, the whole process of auditioning for things is so brutal because you just, do you like me? Do you like me? I want you to like me. Do I get the part? I don't get the part. I don't. And then you go through this for years and then finally you do get it. And then finally you're the fucking man. Like, oh, look, it's Mike. Mike's the star. Hello, Mike. Mike, look, look. We've got your bagels ready, Mike, and your trailer's ready. And then Mike is, get me a fucking coffee. You're like, oh, Mike, anything for you. And people act in this disproportionate, very insane way. And then as they get more and more famous, they feel like they're entitled to this treatment. Yes. Which gets real strange. Yes. And I feel like that's, I've seen it in our world. Between bands, you know, my band's tool, Pussy for a Perfect School, all of them, you get to spots where you feel entitled, you're arrogant, you are greedy. Like all those things, all those things are in all of us and you have to check yourself when they come up. Yeah. Or not. And you end up being like the bands that you are talking about. Yeah. It has to be this way where we won't do it. That's kind of dumb. But... Well, bands are odd too, right? Because you're managing personalities. You're not just, it's not just like one person with a creative vision and they put it down. You have all these other people and their ideas and you got to work it out together and there's all sorts of weird shit going on, right? Sorry. What did you do? You shut it off? I was checking my likes. No, I was making sure, because I posted that and Dino, I just want to make sure Dino knew that we posted it because then he can talk to people. Release sounds. Yeah. Release sounds. Fuck, wait, lift off my chest, dude. Is it? Yeah, yeah. It took, that's a lot of work. We are, the four of us are a lot of fucking work. Just to get it. Just to get anywhere. Just to get an agreement where you're, okay, we're all agreeing. Yeah. We're going to release it. Yeah. Everything's a fucking committee meeting and it always gets shut down. What's the hurdle? Well, success. When you get successful, you think you're right about everything and you're pretty sure as that individual, I am right and you are wrong because I'm successful and we're successful because of me, not because of you. It's not that bad with us. But that's the dynamic. Yeah, there's a dynamic of like, I want this and I've always gotten my way and that's why we're successful is because I don't compromise on this or that. It's like, I'm the same way.