Why El Chapo's Son Was Released w/Ed Calderon | Joe Rogan

How many members, when you combine all the cartels, how many members are we talking about? That means it's pretty hard to put a number on how, I will say this. More than a million? I will say this, they defeated the Mexican army in Sinaloa. Yeah, that was bananas. When they captured El Chapo's son, and then the army gave it back. Yeah. They're like, yeah, you can have them back. Well, sorry. That whole situation, and it was like, I remember that was happening, and I was getting asked questions about it, and it was live. It was all of a sudden just popped off. Basically a supposedly official story from the Mexican government is that they send a special police unit to capture him, which is completely false, I think, because you don't send 35 agents to capture one of the heads of one of the biggest Sinaloa cartel cells. It's pretty much by chance they spotted this party. People were armed there. They went there. All of a sudden, El Chapo's son is there. So you think they just stumbled into him? I posted a video on my feed of the capture of the El Chapo's son. You can see it, and you can see the surprise and really how the agents are kind of uncomfortable or are fearful of what they just stumbled in on. Imagine, US agents stumbling on one of the America's most wanted individuals up here. They're going to put them on the ground. They're going to handcuff him. The video you can see that they point their rifles at him, and he calmly takes out his gun and hands it to somebody inside of the house he was in and walks out and kind of tries to negotiate with the people outside, the federal agents that are trying to arrest him. You can see that the agents are like, oh, what did we stumble in on? That happened. They grabbed them. They reported back to Mexico. They captured him. They started to announce the capture. And his half-brother, Archibaldo, basically called in all of the reinforcements from all surrounding towns and regions in Tsingaloa, and it was flooded with a bunch of armed cartel guys, all of Tsingaloa was. Wasn't there a video of the government people and the cartel people talking? Yeah, it's on my feed. You can see it if you want. It's basically an army unit that was being sent to reinforce security in Gugliacán, being surrounded by cartel members. Yeah. Is this a regular? Yeah, that's it. Obviously the guys running around with a vest and wearing skinny jeans are some of these Tsingaloa cartel members. And they just talk it through. I mean, they're outnumbered. And also there's talk about there's a specific community out there in Tsingaloa where all the army family members live, and they were apparently being held hostage by cartel guys as a bargaining chip. So all these guys that we're seeing here, they're dressed in civilian clothes with the vest. Those are all cartel guys. Those are all cartel guys. Jesus Christ. And that- And they're shaking hands with everybody. Well, you know. Hey, what's up, homie? I mean, again, we go back into the whole, what is the fight they have in them, right? Tsingaloa cartel was basically surrounding some of their communities and holding their family members hostage. So that went out over the radio. So as an army member going in to fight the cartel, saying, you know what? I'm out of this fight. Yeah. So they raise their hands. And so then they release the hostages. Everybody backs out. Yeah. I mean, they defeated the Mexican government, basically. Anything they went up against. It surrounded the city. Usually you'll see classic Mexican cartel activity. They close off the streets going into the city by burning semis and trailers and stuff like that. So you would see all these burning semi-trailers in the region. So if you want to move in, you can't. And if you want to use your helicopters, the cartels have entire craft capabilities. So they broke out a bunch of people from the prison just taking advantage of the whole chaos. You could see there's a few other videos with armored trucks with 50 cows and maduses on the back of them just moving around the city. There's no way. There's no way you can... This is a breakout state prison. Take advantage of the whole chaos and just let's break some of our friends out. All right. So just pure chaos. Eventually they let... The government decided to let them go. That's the official story. But according to the people there, there was no government saying, let them go. There was the guys holding him and said, you know what? It's not worth it. Yeah. That's one of the technicals, as they call them up here. Yeah. Dump trucks. They'll never plate the sides and put somebody out. I should imagine being a person living there. That's what I'm trying to picture. What life is like for the civilians. Yeah. Most of these videos are all done by civilians. So there's a certain normalcy in some of these cases, especially in Tino Law. It's part of the culture there. And as far as sides go, hey, the army's coming to save us. That's not usually what some people in some of these communities think, because the cartels are those guys in charge. So Tino Law has always been like... How long has it been? Tino Law has traditionally been a cradle for the origins of some of the more successful cartel heads. Isn't that where Julio Cesar Chavez is from? Yeah. Yeah, he is. And lots of anybody that's anybody in Tino Law has some sort of relationship to the cartels, because they're part of culture there. There's no way of getting around it. I had a surreal experience once when I went there. I did a class out there. And I was running around this bumpy road. And then all of a sudden, just flat, beautiful road. Oh yeah, this is the cartel part of the road that they built. It's like, okay. Wow. So it's sort of like the mob in Vegas in the 50s and 60s. Exactly. But it's now in there. Way more hardcore. Way more hardcore. Some of their grave, they have a, Jardines de Lomaia is the Narco cemetery they have. And it's basically luxury condos. They look like, I mean, I went there, I thought it was a church and it turned out to be a tomb. Wow. All right. So the opulence and the money there is just overt. And how they move around, they roll around in vehicles with guns and nobody does anything because they own the city. What are they planning on doing? Does anybody have any plans or is it just they're just accepting this? Well, you know, you get a lot of rhetoric about collaboration. Yeah, that's Jardines de Lomaia. All of those are graves. Some of them have CCJ video inside, air conditioning, alarms. Those are graves. Those are grave sites. And the cartel guys heads go there. On the Day of the Dead, have music, live bands, shoot their rakes into the air. Nobody does anything. Wow. Jesus Christ, this is crazy. Yeah. I mean, the opulence is amazing. I mean, just seeing it, it's like having several escavars in one place. It's like a lot of cartels heads are from that region and a lot of their kids grew up in that. And the opulence is amazing. Fuck. Like, is this going to grow? I think it is. I mean, I don't think it is. It is growing. You know, again, going back to my friend John Norris and seeing his experiences up here, finding out these illegal drug grows in public lands. It's growing. It's growing over here too. Yeah. So, yeah. So, I think that a lot of people have to think about a lot of these cartel guys have their kids up here. So they made their money down there and they sent their wives up here. And a lot of these kids that were born in the late 80s, early 90s, come of age up here with that cartel pedigree. So, and they're US citizens, US passport. So, you're going to see some sort of shift. And they're coming of age. Get experience, you get a handoff of reigns from the older generation to the newer generation and you're going to see definitely it's definitely growing. It seems so crazy to watch because it seems like it's not discussed nearly enough and it seems like if it keeps getting stronger, like what we saw with El Chapo's son being released, what's the stop it from taking over Mexico entirely? Well, I mean, you would have people arguing that it already has in different ways. So, I think another thing that people kind of have to kind of figure out and realize is that there's factions in the Mexican government. So, you will see a federal government that apparently is being paid off by a very specific large cartel group. And then you'll see state governments that are of different political party influenced paying off by other cartel groups. So you'll see military units moving down the town and the state police blocking their way to get in there because they play for different teams. Right? Whoa. You know, there's a lot of talk right now about Felipe Calderon's tenure and how his head of public safety was on the payroll of the Sinaloa cartel, which actually came out during El Chapo's trial. So now you're talking about basically a federal police force that was on El Chapo's side. So he had free reigns to grow and do whatever he had to do in that region with the support of the federal government in a way. So technically, you know, who's in control of some regions. And realistically, some regions of Mexico are completely in cartel control.