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Professor Carl Hart is an expert in the fields of neuropsychopharmacology and behavioral neuroscience. A longtime champion for evidence-based drug policies, Hart has written a number of influential books in the field. His newest is "Drug Use for Grown-Ups: Chasing Liberty in the Land of Fear".
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I mean this recent thing where those folks went to the Capitol when they were standing up on his behalf and then he throws them under the bus. Yeah, I threw them all under the bus after it was over. Yeah, it's crazy. No, no, no. I watched a video of it. I had not seen much video of it. Yeah. I'd only seen like a couple of videos on Instagram. I was like, what the fuck? I didn't want to get depressed and watch it, but today I said, let's get depressed. And I watched a bunch of it. I had no idea how bad it was in terms of like the sheer number of people like storming the gates and screaming and small handful of cops that were supposed to protect it. And that one cop that got beaten, it was like a video of them hitting the cop with flags and shit. It's like, what the fuck? How did that happen? How did it deteriorate to that? I know, man. It's really sad to me that that kind of thing happened. And then you have these fucking cowards, Rudy Giuliani, Ted Cruz, Josh, the Howley, all these cowards. They are allowed to stand on their pulpit and say these things like they're tough, but they're nowhere around to support these folks in the first place. And they're sending them into the battle. And now they will come fully comfortable, join the ranks of their members of Congress while these other people are going to go to jail and have these charges, which they should have, of course. But these leaders who manipulated them, there's no consequences to them. I mean, I think that's the real crime. Yeah, well, we'll see if there's consequences because I have a feeling there will be for Trump. I think this is going to be the end. I really do. Because I think there's very little chance that he's going to run in 2024 after this, because a lot of people were hoping for that. A lot of his supporters were hoping for that. But after this, I don't even think. Yeah, I think the useful idiot is done. I mean, I think the people like Mitch McConnell and those people, they don't have no more use for him. So he's done. I mean, he's already he's done enough for them. They're happy with what he's done. He's delivered with the Supreme Court and so forth. His time is over. It's interesting to see. We've always known that there's a certain faction in this country that's fairly simple, not that sophisticated, not very smart. And they like thinking in like a real narrow box. And this guy came along and was their guy, you know, and then we realized like, oh, like the assholes of this country were unrepresented. And all of a sudden they got represented. Like there was a lot of people, like a lot of those folks that stormed the castle, that stormed Capitol Hill. Like if you see like when they get arrested and you find out who they are, like guy living with his mom, believe in QAnon conspiracies, thinks the FBI is sending out pedophile codes, that kind of shit. Those guys didn't have a king before. You realize how many of them there are. But what about the guy who was, I don't know, a lieutenant, a retired lieutenant, lieutenant colonel from the Army or the Air Force? I mean, so there are people there who also had education and they were plugged into society. Right. There were a number of those people, too. Right. I'm sure there was a few. Yeah. I mean, I think that I, you know, I think most of us are simple people. And that's OK. I think you should be able to be simple and have a decent life and enjoy yourself. I think that there's no crime there. I think that's fine. The real problem is that we allow our leaders to lie and then you can manipulate. Even the most sophisticated among us can be manipulated. And I think that's the real crime. So it's like not that these people were simple. It's OK to be simple. Maybe simple is the wrong word. Maybe assholes was the right word. There's a lot of people that are assholes. And there was never a guy who said it's OK to be an asshole. But I'm an asshole, too. Do you think that the majority of these people were assholes? I think they could be assholes if they were led the right way. But can't most of us be assholes, I think? The worst moments of your life. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. But, you know, I think that when you have I'm telling you, man, I'm putting this square on those people in Washington. Trump is one of them, of course. But I'm talking about the Ted Cruz's and all of those people as well. I mean, those people, they should be they should face the criminal justice system for what they did, because these folks who are out here, we all have the potential to be assholes. And then if you think that what you're doing is holding up the liberty that we promise in this country, that you are being a real patriot and you really believe that you've been manipulated to do that by these leaders, they should pay the price. And that's the thing that's really I'm really disturbed by is like, yeah, well, we should get Trump. Yeah, absolutely. But we should go after those other people as well. I don't know what what did Ted Cruz do? Oh, with the election. Oh, were you saying that the election fraud election fraud when he knew that he knew what time it was those guys, they know they were being dishonest. I think it's a political ploy, right? There's politicians take stances based on where they think their constituents lean and stop the steel and all that was trending all these social media sites. Yeah. And I feel like for a prominent politician, that's a manipulative person that looks at these things and goes, well, that's an angle that I can use. You're absolutely right, Joe. That's exactly what politicians do. And we should expect more of them. And until we do, they're going to continue to do that bullshit when they know that is bullshit. And so you're right. That's what politicians do. So do you think so? What do you think they were trying to do? You think just posturing to try to get those people on their side for the future? That's right. I think that Ted Cruz and those folks were setting themselves up for a future presidential run or what have you and hoping that they get Trump, the kingmaker, to endorse them, even though Trump called his wife ugly. I wouldn't beat Trump's ass. I mean, I'm telling you, I mean, it's like what kind of man allows that to happen? He called him Lion Ted. Yeah. I mean, what kind of man allows another guy to call his wife ugly and not do anything? Didn't he also infer that he was a serial killer or something? His dad? His dad. Zodiac killer. That's right. Yeah, his dad helped kill Kennedy or something. He said, yeah. But what kind of man does that? I mean, I know. Yeah. Allows that. I mean, I don't understand that. Well, what kind of man wants to be a senator? You know, it's a weird business. And you get deeply entrenched in that business and there's compromises that you make and a lot of weirdness. I understand. But you know, like what kind of person want to be president? That's fine. I don't want to do that. But I'm glad there are people that do it. And the thing is, I think we should require them to be more honorable than we do. We certainly should. And so like when when people are posturing politically, when they know that there is no that this is just there's no there's no chance that this election can be overturned because there's no fraud. I think they should pay a price. I think that is just too manipulative. And I think their position requires that they be more honest. And until we do, until we require them, require them, this of them, then I think that they will continue. I think there's a style of behavior that lends itself to success, like business success and financial success. And it's like a speed style, like people that are into amphetamines and people that are into like getting ahead and pushing. And I think that there's a style of behavior that leads itself to be compassionate, thinking more about community. And I think that is more like a marijuana style or a mushroom style. You think so? Yeah, I do. Catch new episodes of the Joe Rogan Experience for free only on Spotify. Watch back catalog JRE videos on Spotify, including clips, easily, seamlessly switch between video and audio experience. On Spotify, you can listen to the JRE in the background while using other apps and can download episodes to save on data costs all for free. Spotify is absolutely free. You don't have to have a premium account to watch new JRE episodes. 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