What Really Happened to Jeffrey Epstein? | Joe Rogan and Tom Papa

So, have you paid attention to this, Jeffrey Epstein stuff? Yeah, a little bit. What do you think is going on? I think, uh... I think he, uh... If you had a guess. I think that too many very powerful people... He had stuff on too many very powerful people. Likely, right? Probably. Yeah. They took the guy off suicide watch, even though he's one of the most important witnesses. Yeah, weird. It's a really creepy, high profile case that might have connected a bunch of really powerful people. Yeah. I don't necessarily believe that it's, you know, the people from, like, it's Trump or it's the Democrat... I think there's other very powerful people that would have wanted this guy to go away. Oh, for sure. You know what I mean? We have no idea how many very powerful people want this guy to go away. He could sing. Right. He could sing for his freedom. I think the question is, is there... Didn't they get, like, a whole bunch of evidence and stuff from him that, like, these powerful people would have... Oh, yeah. Yeah, where is all that stuff? Yeah. Yeah. You said he didn't know that he had a cellmate. This is the guy that was the cellmate. That's the cellmate? Well... What? How hard do you think that guy fucked him? He's a former cop. Jeffrey Epstein reportedly wasn't checked on for hours before his apparent suicide. That guy found him there? Like, how did... Why do we think that that guy didn't kill him? They left a rope in there? That guy could definitely kill him without leaving any evidence. That guy looks like he could do some d... Look at the guy's arms. That guy could just wrap Jeffrey Epstein up in a bear hug and hang him himself. Maybe he just choked him. Yeah. I mean, he could put that noose around Epstein's neck and then squeeze his arms together and just pull on it until the guy hangs to death and then go, oh, my God, I found him hanged. How did... That guy is jacked. That guy's huge. Imagine you go to jail in a high-profile case and they throw you in there with a giant bald guy. That's like Grossberger from Stir Crazy. But look at this. This is like caricature of the guy you don't want to be stuck in a prison with. Right, exactly. It literally is the guy. Yeah, in the bad movie. That's the guy waiting for you in the cell. Next cop. Yeah. He looks like... What is his name? What'd he go to jail for? Nicholas Tartaglione. Yeah, look at his name. Right, Cliff Cott. Tartaglione. Westchester County. Nicholas Tartaglione. The deaths of four men. Yeah. Stepping from an alleged cocaine drug conspiracy. And bro, he's that big and he's 51. How many cops are smuggling steroids in their asshole to get to this guy? Yeah. How's he staying that big? Yeah. So he hung himself? Yeah. So they had like a belt or a rope left in there with him? This guy probably said, listen, if you keep getting me the juice, I'll keep this fucking guy on ice. Right. They didn't... They said this is the one conspiracy. No, it's a human secret. This is the one conspiracy where nobody believes the true story that I've talked to. No, nobody. Except Michael Shermer. Who? Michael Shermer, the guy who runs Skeptics Magazine. He's a friend of mine's. Nice guy. I couldn't disagree with him more. He thinks that things just happen and people kill themselves. Oh, he... That's his take on it. This guy's a... He likes a lot of conspiracies. No, no. He silences conspiracies. He's never met a conspiracy he likes. Oh, oh, oh. He doesn't like any conspiracies. Oh, okay. And this one is almost predictable. He's right in a way. And he's still like now? He's right in a way. And I think his concept is pull up his tweets so we can read what he's saying. I mean, you're not in a good place. You can see wanting to kill yourself if you... Oh, yeah, for sure. You know. Make that a larger, please. I don't know where he started. I was just... Just make it larger. It just seems... Just make it... No, scroll down a little bit there. Okay. A new conspiracy theory. Develop on an Epstein regarding suicide. They made it happen on purpose. First let it happen on purpose. Okay, here it is. Here it is. Scroll down. If some no-name pedophile died by suicide in prison awaiting trial, anyone... Would anyone bother concocting conspiracy theories about him being murdered by clandestine outside forces? Of course not. As with JFK, Diana, Marilyn et al., fame warps perspective and fuels unwarranted speculation. First of all, this is not unwarranted. Second of all, if you don't think that powerful people have people killed, you're hilarious. Like that is willfully naive. They do do it. It says, remember the adage regarding conspiracy theories, never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence or chance. True. Sure. You shouldn't do that. It is possible. But what are the odds? There's something... This is pretty intriguing. Something where it stinks so bad. Because he's in so many circles and touched so many super powerful people. Super powerful people. Not on that. He's not just a pedophile. Like he's saying. He gave him a $70 million house in New York City. Gave him? One of his clients. Gave him. He was the power of attorney at the time, so he signed it over to himself. But the guy let him do that. That's the question is whether or not he even knew what was happening. Oh come on. Like he just stole the house from the guy? He was in control of a lot of stuff. That's sort of what's coming out now. 70 million house. Who gave it to him? That's what's coming out now. But how would the guy who he signed it off on, how would the guy not know this guy stole his house and not sue him? He was in control of all of his finances. Right, but the guy was living in the house. Who? The guy? Wexner? No. Epstein. He bought the house for him basically. That's what I'm saying. The guy bought it for Epstein. Right. Right. But who fucking buys you a $70 million house? Hey, I don't know. No one's bought me nothing. There's so many questions about this guy. About where his wealth was and then the color of his house. Didn't he own, didn't he? The eyeballs on the entrance and the shit about the house is crazy too. Well, there's like b Why is the president of the United States, I think, was he still president then? It was afterwards. Afterwards I'm done. I flew with Jerry probably 20 times. Hey man, I'm making money. I like flying with Jeffrey. I don't have to pay. I mean that's a lot of times to be partying with a dude. You would think that you would find out about how that guy fucks. When he had Clinton on the plane was sort of when he fucked up because that's when he stopped flying under the radar. Who did? Jeffrey Epstein? Oh, he's been like hiding ever since that was like 2003 or 2004. Oh, really? That's when he got busted was shortly after that. He's been on the run since then. Wasn't wasn't Trump talking about it with Howard? Howard Stern? Well, is he talking about, oh, about that? He likes some young. Yeah. Like, why were they talking about him? I don't know. Because he was, uh, I guess he was like arrested or something. No, no, no, no. The arrest was later. And that was part of the problem was that with the arrest, the arrest was for some sexual thing with underage girls and he got a really light sentence. Right. He was laughing. More people were freaking out about it. And then one woman pursued this pretty heavily. She was a journalist and she pursued this story. Right? That's where I was trying to tell you. I try to find out the Miami Herald, but, uh, that book I was telling you, I just read about James Patterson. He said everything that kind of came out in that story, they already wrote about, about 2016. And for some reason, the media didn't really pick up on it. He said he wrote letters to everyone. Well, yeah, that was when, that was when this guy got that really light sentence was around there. But this one woman kept writing about it. And this is one of the things that pull up the name of this woman that because this one woman really doggedly pursued this story and is because of her. And I think a lot of it had to do with her recognition that this guy had gotten this creepy light. So yeah, not to be confused with downtown Julie Brown. Julie. Kay Brown. She was great. Like Michael B. Jordan. The actor. Not the, not the world's greatest man. No one wants their name is even close to the story. How about James Brown, the fucking sports caster. Imagine that. What? That guy, nice guy, James Brown, sports caster. Yeah. How the fuck do you call yourself James Brown? How dare you? Like he owns that. Right. Oh, Michael Jackson. If you're Michael Jackson, you're a singer. Yeah. You're who. Right. Yeah. Don't you have anyone in your camp telling you this is a bad idea. Isn't there two of those cuts like a knife guys? What's that guy's name? The guy from Canada. Um, Brian, Brian Adams, Brian Adams. There's Brian and there's Ryan. Again, change your fucking name. Ryan got trouble too. How about Ricky Adams? He'd be Ricky Adams. Ricky Adams. What happened? Whatever happened to Brian Adams, man? That cuts like a knife. Cuts like a knife. That guy was awesome. Summer of 69. Yeah. He had some great jams. I think he's still playing casinos. I really, I've seen him. It's a show tonight. Where? Bristol, Virginia. There you go. We should all go to see him. We should make a road trip. He best. Yeah. Blue Blot. I'm sure it's a good show. We really have to start doing stuff like that. Yeah. Road trips. Just go to see a ridiculous shows. Yeah. Def Leppard's out there. Journey's out there. The journey with the Japanese singer. Yeah. That's what's bad ass. Fuck it. It sounds as good as Steve Perry ever did in his prime. I know. It's amazing. Steve Perry's still out there. I don't think he's performing, but he's still around. What are you playing? Brian Adams, giant crop. Wow. Look at that. That's Brian Adams. Yeah. That guy was a star. Post-menopausal chips. At the summer of 69. What does he look like these days? He's stretching here. Let me see. He's working out. He's fit. Look at that. He's ripped. He's fit. Stretch that back, he says. Brian Adams is fit. That's him. Is it? Yeah, it's him. It's a weird black and white photo. Yeah. He's got some Snapchat filter on him too. He's obviously spiritually sound. He looks healthy. Working out. Well, listen, man, that guy was a, he was a rock star when I was in high school. That's right. And if he looks that good today, that's incredible. He's taking care of himself. Must be. Yeah. He's doing something right. He's not running around after teenage girls. Hands up. He's living a good life. Floozy's flying him a Bill Clinton. Some of them somewhere. Obviously. Hey. Hey, Epstein, what are we doing today? Yeah, it's yeah. For conspiracy theorists right now, like for Sam Tripoli, you know, Sam Tripoli runs a tinfoil hat podcast. He's in his glory. Oh God. He couldn't be happier. But he's taking it to another level. He thinks he's not really dead, that they faked his death. Of course. Geez Louise. For conspiracy theorists, when a conspiracy theory is obvious, they look for the non obvious possible. Because they do the exact opposite of what Michael Sherman was talking about. In conspiracy theorists, never attribute to malice. Everything. Everything is malice. All of it. If it looks obvious, this is something more. It's so creepy. God. Well, God, good. I, who cares how? What? It's good he's gone. Maybe not, man. Maybe not. He's gone. Maybe not. Maybe if he stayed alive, he could have told us some stuff about some terrible people that are still alive doing things. Yeah, he's the worst one. I don't know about that. He's a creepo. How do we know that? We know he's a creep most likely, but we definitely don't know if he's the worst at all those people that he was creeping with. Yeah. The thing is, if the guy really did film a bunch of people that are super powerful people doing crazy shit. Yeah. There's got to be some stuff, right? Um, if I was leading the investigation, I'd go after the hard drives. That's where they keep it all on the hard drives. They did find hard drives filled with stuff that he had. They did. Yeah. That he had with very young girls and subjective poses and I don't know if it was pornography, but they were talking about how many different photos of young ladies that they found on his computer. All right. Enough with this guy. But I don't know if they were young, like illegal or young, like 18.