Russell Brand "We Don't Know Our Own Biases" | Joe Rogan

One of the things I've said about like comments and podcasts and stuff like that, I think one of the reasons why a lot of people get mad and I've tried to think this through, like why some people, some of the responses so negative to things that don't, that seem innocuous on the outside. I think it's because it's frustrating when you don't have a say. Yeah. Like if two people, like you and I are talking about something, there's probably some guy right now going, well just fucking stop with all your spiritual bullshit. Here's what you do. You wake up when your fucking alarm clock goes off, you never hit snooze, you get out the door, you put your hours in, eventually you get better. You take care of your family, you act like a fucking man. And there's probably people like that that are upset. They feel like we're pontificating too much. And this is all just, you know, just mental masturbation. You're right. In the ways it is, but that's part of how you dissolve these things and think these things through. I believe they deserve their say as well. And that's one of the things, being a person that goes to 12-step support groups, is you recognize that everyone's individual experience is valuable. Yes. That it's not like that. And I've got over the idea that some external thing can be imposed. And whilst there are many people that are, we could say, not using their 50 years to maximum effect because they are pursuing odd material goals, there are many, many more people that have never been introduced to the idea of freedom because from the moment they're born, they're economically tyrannized and told that you're only, if you are not economically valuable to this system, you are not valuable at all. And that's only an idea. If you can't become a lawyer or a comedian or whatever, fuck you. Well, so many of us are trapped in the expectations and values of our parents too. That's a real problem with people don't let their children become an individual. They force their children to follow their own rigid ideology and they shame them when they don't. I agree with that. But do you not imagine that a fair degree of that stuff is unconscious? A fair degree for sure. You and I are probably unconsciously imposing things on our kids. Oh, 100%. But not with guilt. And if your kid comes to you and says, I know you wanted me to be a doctor, but fucking I want to play bongos. I just want to be the best bongo player of all time. I bet you'd probably be like, hey, learn the fucking bongos. Give me a hug. Go get those bongos. Get out there and become the best damn bongoer you can. Or even mediocre. Sure. But there are fathers out there. The fuck you are. You're going to be a goddamn doctor. Stop being a pussy. And you're going to go back to medical school and you're going to pick up your studies. We're going to get you a tutor and you're going to perform because we're a Wilson. You're a Wilson. This Wilson family has been physicians since 1820. Your grandfather. Time immemorial. The Wilsons have been physicians. He made people bite down on a leather strap before amnesia and he sawed off legs and he kept those people alive. You want to play bongos, you little fuck. Yeah, people get mad. But my bias is towards my kid. Like when we was back in England, I was aware of grandparents or whatever reacting to spiders and stuff going, oh, spiders are scary. I'm like, don't fucking teach them that spiders are scary. I don't want her to think of things as scary. Tell her that the spiders are cool. They're all right. There's nothing, you know, like, so you're aware of a familial influence like that. They wanted the hair to be a certain way. They wanted to wear certain things. They want them to like, you know, part of the veganism is like, if you make these kids vegan, at least now I know wherever they go, there's going to be so many restrictions on their food. I've not made the kids vegan. Good for you. It's up to them. Yeah, thank you. Where's my gold star? I take a tape parade. But like, so but like, you know, but I don't know what we don't know our own biases. We don't know what where we've been institutionalized. You know, because how you know, the very nature of the unconscious is we are not aware of it. You know, so I suppose in a sense, a continued open mindedness and a willingness to change must be part of any dialogue to go into these situations. I think, Joe, I might not actually know what's that's why I'm not when I was 20, if you'd read about the hunting, I'd be like, Oh, no, man. Like now, Jesus, there's so many ways of seeing the world. There's so many ways of looking at what's natural and what's correct. I'm you know, what do I think with hunting? Hunting is like many things and that there's no real clean answer. There's no yes or no good or bad because you could think there is but then you find circumstances like wild pigs or invasive species like I go hunting on a place called the night. It's one of the small islands of Hawaii. There's somewhere in the neighborhood of 3000 people and 20,000 deer. It is so overpopulated with deer and they have to kill them. They kill them every day. They hire snipers. They hire people to kill them. People are slamming in with their cars. I mean, they're fucking everywhere and their access deer. They're not even from there. They're from someone brought them over from India to give to King Kamehameha and like the 1800s. They're, they're animals actually that evolved to get away from tigers. So there's this insanely fast, beautiful deer that are everywhere. They're forced to kill. Well, the good news is the people that are low income people of the island always have meat. There's meat everywhere. Everyone can hunt. It's really easy to find them. You can, you could find them and if you, you know, if you want, you can go kill them. Yeah. I've got no moral judgment about that. You know, if there's rats in my house, what, I'm not going to put down poison. I'm going to go, oh, but that's the thing. Rats are allowed to flourish. You should probably feel bad about killing a rat. As a vegan, I do feel bad. I feel bad about everything. I'm hungry. What about my, yeah. I wouldn't, I wouldn't swat a mosquito. Even the, even the Dalai Lama, even the Dalai Lama, low, I see him, he went like the first time a gentle brush, the second time a harder one, third time smack, the Dalai Lama, like, you know, the Dalai Lama gives him free chances. But then you're out. You might be reincarnated or something. Can I go for a pee, please? Yeah, sure. Sure. It's almost three o'clock already. Do you believe it or not? It's done quite well. Oh God. Like when standing up has made me realize the pressure of my bladder was under.