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Raghunath Cappo was the vocalist for punk bands Youth of Today and Shelter, and after living as a monk is now a yoga teacher and is the host of the "Wisdom of the Sages" podcast on Spotify.
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And I feel like what we are doing there in these great martial arts teachers that we've had teach us is how to be sort of almost like you're fighting this fight. Mm. But there's no rage. You're not actually even angry at the person. It's actually just... You're just doing what you're supposed to do right now. Can I be completely relaxed and do this? Under stress. Under incredible amounts of stress. Guys trying to choke the life out of you. Yeah, literally. Yeah, I had a fight back then. I don't like to fight. I'm not like... I don't look at myself as a fighter. I look at myself more as a meditator. I got in a fight right at that time, probably when I saw you last. What happened? It was in Santa Monica. The guy stole my car. Oh, wow. It was my first date with my wife. So let's see. It's our first date. We've married 16 years. I stole my car. And how'd you catch him? Well, we are walking up the street and she said, oh, you left your lights on your car. And I said, no, I have a... I have a sob. You need the keys to turn on the... To get the lights on so I can't be my car. But my top was down. It was a convertible sub. And the top was down. And I was like, man, that is my car. How are my lights on? And then I realized, there is this dude in my car trying to start my car. And my wife left her keys in the glove compartment. And I guess he opened the glove compartment and went into a convertible, which was open. I had no lock. It was one of those old Saab 900s I used to have. And you put the keys in and he just couldn't start because it wasn't the right keys. So I don't know if it was because of yoga or jiu-jitsu or whatever it was. But I was so calm about it. I just said, hold my sweatshirt. And I was super skinny then. I was like, I don't know if you remember my diet. I was 100% raw foodist, vegan, like, you know, a buck 47, soaking wet with a crystal in my pocket, you know. And I just said, in a very calm way, I just said, hold my jacket. And I ran. I jumped on the back of the trunk. I jumped over and jumped on his head. And I'm small. So I drive real close to the steering wheel. And I slipped behind him and tried to choke him. But I couldn't get deep enough behind him to get the choke in. And it was this big dude. I couldn't really tell from when I jumped. But it was this big dude. And I just said, and he said, you trying to choke me? I'm going to kill you. But it was such a stalemate because he couldn't move. I couldn't get the choke in deep enough. And it was just a stalemate. And it went on for like three minutes just there. Whoa. I was just breathing. And then it went back to grab my face. And you do that thing in jujitsu where you hook the guy's arm with your leg. So I had that arm trapped. He couldn't move. I couldn't move. My wife was looking at me. She's not calling the cops. She's just like looking there shocked. It's our first date. It's midnight in Santa Monica. Like in, you know, the coffee bean or something. And finally we stand up in the seat. We're standing in the front seat. My windows are up. But the top is down. I cup his neck and I punch him twice. And he grabs me by the shirt. I grab him by the shirt and we throw each other through the windows. Oh, Jesus. And they snap and shatter. We fall out of the car over the door and roll in the street. And I put him in my guard. And then he just, at that point I think, he just turned and ran. And I pulled his shirt off. Check this out. I had his shoes. Because his shoes fell off. They were sort of like untied Adidas. His shoes fell off. His pants dropped to his ankles because they were low hanging pants. Sagging pants. His baseball hat fell off. And he pulled his shirt. And I had his shirt. And he ran away. And we're both covered in blood because there's glass all over us. And he runs away in his underwear pulling up his pants in his socks. And that's the story. My wife looks at me. I was like, why didn't you call the cops? She's like, I don't know. That was sort of the coolest thing I've ever seen. I was like, that was the coolest thing I've ever think I've ever done. She's like, he could have had a gun. I was like, yeah, I know. He could have actually killed me. I've never, you know, I don't know how I would react again if that ever happened. But that's just what happened. I think it's because it was sort of like in that mood of this is my duty. I have to protect my car. Right. And also the other thing is you are used to like pretty intense conflict when you're doing jujitsu all the time. And then, you know, we did MMA. Yeah. That was a week too. Yeah. And that was always. Yeah. Yeah. And all those guys that Sean Jocks were either the cops. I'd call them cops or robbers. They were like one of the... Well, the thing about jujitsu is you do it full blast, right? You don't break arms or actually choke people unconscious if they tap, you let go. But you're going to that last moment. Yeah, you're going as hard as you can. That's the difference. You're so accustomed to that. So, when you're rolling with this guy also, people that aren't accustomed to that, they feel vulnerable. Panic. Yeah. What is this guy going to do? You feel it right away. They feel awkward. They feel strange. Yeah. Like I've rolled with people that don't know how to roll. You're just joking around, rolling with people. Like, come on, let me do jujitsu with you. Let me see what it feels like. They're helpless. They're helpless. Helpless. It's a weird feeling. It's like, you look like a norm. You look like my size. You know, you look like we and I should be. But you're vulnerable. You're so vulnerable. Right. It's just like a, there's such a big learning curve. The learning curve is so sharp. It's so sharp. It's so sharp. But once you get to like blue belt, purple belt, it's like that area, like a regular person is really helpless. They really are. You know, it's interesting, even with that fight, I don't look at myself as a fighting guy or, and I definitely don't look for fights. But it's almost like you're learning a game. Yeah. And then you realize, oh, this game is completely deadly. Yeah. It is a deadly game. I mean, this is exactly what it is. You're playing a game of, I'm trying to kill you. You're trying to kill me, but we're really good friends. That's the crazy thing. It's like a lot of guys who have technically killed me, you know, because I had a tap. They're my, they're basically good friends. Like my best friends. Yeah. They're really nice, you know, and I can't wait to try to kill them again. It's like, it's a very strange thing to practice, but it's very cleansing. Like the people that do it all the time. It's like therapy. Yeah. They're so peaceful. I don't really study other martial arts except a little Muay Thai in Thailand. But I wonder if you get the same feeling. It's cleansing. Because you don't have to pull. Yeah. You don't have to, you know, either go light or you, I mean, in Thailand, it was like, I went to kick a guy and he blocked it with his shin. You know, he lifted his knee and I got a bruise from my ankle to my knee that was like, yeah, it's brutal. It's brutal. It's brutal. You really have to condition the shit out of your shins. It takes years too. Okay.