Pat McNamara: Teaching Parkinson's Patients to Shoot | Joe Rogan

When you put together these drills and you put together these programs, do you just sit down and map it all out in your head? Do you think like, okay, how am I going to emulate the kind of stress in a life or death gun fight? Your heart rate's jacked. You might have to physically do something. You might have to run from someone or climb over something. Is that how you do... Yeah, how do you create this? Yeah, you're talking about the YouTube stuff where I do the physical thing with the shoot. The first thing I do is I put it on my calendar just so I know that I'm going to make one. And then I'll start thinking about it. What haven't I done? Because I have to think also... I have to think about the audience. The audience that follows me on YouTube, a lot of them are gun guys. So they want to know about the gun that I'm using. So I have to think about that. And then I have to think, all right, what challenge can... Because I want guys to replicate it. I want them to put those little notes on the YouTube. Yeah, I did this and my time was a minute and 30 or whatever it was. So I want them to be able to replicate them as well and want to make them with some real world application in mind. So front loading a sandbag or pulling something in and out of a car. And that with a bunch of repetitions. When you're doing dead weight in and out of a car, 150 pounds, pulling it in, pushing it out, pulling it back in, pushing it out, that'll smoke every freaking ounce of your being and it'll crush your spirits. I know, it's crazy, right? You would think of a full grown woman to be able to pick her up and put her in her car easy. No, hard. Try getting her out. Right. Especially if there's no... You got to think dead weight. Yeah, exactly. What if this person is incapacitated? They ain't helping you. Those arms, those limbs are moving everywhere and it is a pain in the dick. Yeah, you're way better off with a 150 pound barbell. Oh yeah. It carries that way easier. Whatever. Yeah, it's like, all right. That just... Stabilize that on your shoulder, pull it out and yeah. But I have to keep those things in mind. The other thing I want to do is I want to make them... I kind of want to make them hard enough so not everybody could do it. Because I want to do something that my industry competitors are not doing. And I've turned this... I've started a kind of a fad about 10 years ago where more guys are doing this now. They're putting shoots up on interwebs with some physical activity prior to or during. Which yeah, good. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I... I made it cool. Well, the more people doing it, the better, right? Right. Absolutely. The more competition, the better. Yep. Yeah, it's just such a smart thing to think of if you really want to train the way you train and really want to think about tactical situations and real world application. I mean, it's such a great way to go about doing it and it looks exciting and fun. I mean, I haven't done it, but I'm sure it's fun. It's good. I talk a lot during my... Now, during my courses, I don't do this stuff. Because I'll have 60-year-old women in it. I'll have guys with Parkinson's even, man, come to my course. I have guys in wheelchairs. Really? Yeah. How do you stabilize a guy when they have Parkinson's? That's good. So I showed this guy a trick. What was his name? Let's see if I can remember his name. It doesn't matter. But he was 77 years old and he said, well, I could either come to your course and train or lay on my couch and die. It was to that effect because he likes to shoot. I said, bro, anytime, but I have to modify the course to him now because he can't even lay the prone to zero. So I would set him on a cooler and then I used a furring strip saw. They hold up a target. They're just two 1x2s, you know, about five foot long. I had him crisscross those and hold them and then to V notch him and then put his rifle in that V notch. Oh, okay. Because he could set up pretty good. He couldn't get in the prone. He can't stand, shoot, but sitting pretty good. And when guys like that are concentrating more, you see that shake go away too. Hey, that's something we do at my gym too. We train Parkinson's how to box. Parkinson's patience. Really? It's a national program called Rock Steady Boxing. They come in three times a week. Where's your gym? North Carolina. What's it called? So people could go there? Spar tech, S-P-A-R, like spar and then TC. Is it open to regular folks? Yeah, it's open. It's very fight centric. It's an MMA gym. So everything we do is very fight centric with the physical work and the lifting and all that. And then we have programs. We got some really good fighters, man. Do coach there. I mean, they're like legit. So we got really good fighters who do one on one coaching. Everything from Greco to BJJ to Tybox to kickboxing to standard boxing. It's a neat place. It's small. It's warehouse. It's very Spartan. It's not sexy at all. Perfect. Yeah. It's my favorite kind of gym. Yeah, it's freaking, it's badass. And so what do you do with these Parkinson's people? So the Rock Steady Boxing folks, they have a program. They come in a couple of times a week and they put them through a series of exercises. A lot of it's just walking a straight line, holding this and loading one side. And then once they're all warmed up, they all kid up, man. You see these guys rapping and everything. They're so excited to get there and they put their wraps on. And then they work a series of bag drills, a one, two lateral move. The next bag is hooks, left and right hooks. And there's an upper cup bag and there's the double end bag. And granted, they're not moving. They're not moving much, but they're moving and they get there and they love coming there. And some of them work up a sweat. It's pretty amazing seeing them get off their asses and get to the gym. I remember you put something out and I pinged you like a year ago. Oh, it was on a podcast. And you were getting pretty emotional about somebody not wanting to work out. And I pinged you and I said, I think I mentioned that. We got fucking Parkinson's people coming to my gym. Well, it's just when people make those excuses, it just drives me crazy. Because I've seen examples. I've been very fortunate that I have good health. But I've seen many examples. And I've also been very fortunate that I never got out of shape. I just kept working out my whole life. But I've seen people that are fat as fuck, 350 pounds, just barely can get around. And then they decide, I'm going to take control of my fucking health. And then they just do it. They just do it. And even if you just got to walk around the block, even if you walk up flights of stairs, even if you just do a push up, even if you do a sit up, just do something, man. Do some body weight squats. Do something. It can be done. Yep. The journey of a thousand miles starts with that single step. And I have guys in my community who will say, yeah, man, I follow your stuff. I'm sure out of shape. And I don't have the time to snatch, which is another excuse. There's no such things. I don't have the time. Get up an hour early. Now you have all the time in the world. You got an hour workout. I'll fuck you up in an hour. You come work out with me for one hour. I will have you crying by the end of an hour. That's plenty of time. From warm up to cool down one hour. Done. That's 100%. Yeah. If you're, if you're, oh man. And you, man. This is my friend of mine. You don't need more than that.