Paleontologist Trevor Valle Debunks "Dinosaurs Never Existed" Conspiracy

Hello freak bitches. I would love to play you the dinosaurs are not real video. Just do it. See if you can play it. We probably can't play it on YouTube where we'll get pulled but we can play the audio right? Play the audio. We'll put the video up on the screen and play the audio for you and you can just fucking... Your head can turn beet red and smoke's gonna come out of your ears. Because the thing is about these videos and this is the issue that I have with not just videos but also with blogs. People, you're writing things and you're not being checked as you're going along. So it's just you broadcasting an idea. It's not a conversation. And because of that, you can give off the illusion of expertise without being checked. Here it goes. Dinosaurs never existed. Oh my god, Eric Dubay? This is the flat earth guy. Yeah, the guy that does 200 proofs, the earth is flat. That everybody has debunked fucking a thousand... No, no, no, shills. Yeah, shills are... Listen to this guy. Richard Owen of the Royal Society... Don't you dare mention Owen's name, you asshole. ...of the British Museum Natural History Department in 1842. Or in other words, the existence of dinosaurs was first speculatively hypothesized by a knighted museum head, coincidentally in the mid-19th century during the heyday of evolutionism before a single dinosaur fossil had ever been found. Wrong. They found us... Pause, pause, pause every time, pause. Dinosaurs... We discovered marine reptiles and the first dinosaurs about a century before that. So that right there, Eric, you're fucking wrong. Whoops. It's like, don't bring your flat earth bullshit into my profession. Now I'm pissed. Keep going. Yeah, keep us rolling. A mainstream press worldwide got to work hyping stories of these supposed long lost animals, and then, lo and behold, 12 years later in 1854, Ferdinand van de Veer, Hayden, during his exploration of the Upper Missouri River, found proof of Owen's theory. A few unidentified teeth he mailed to leading paleontologist Joseph Leedy, who several years later declared them to be from an ancient, extinct, trackadon dinosaur, which, beyond ironic... So, that's because we can do things like look at modern analogs and see how teeth are fucking made. We know if it's a predator or if it's prey. We know if it's an herbivore or a carnivore. We know how teeth are fucking built. Even back then, even when they're doing naturalistic drawings like this, it's like the megalodon tooth on my arm. It is a predator. It's obviously a serrated tooth. Is it megalodon or megalodon? How do you say it? It depends. Your emfastas can be on a different syllable. It's both. It's not like nuclear and nuclear? No, no, because it doesn't have two u's. But it's spelled the same, but it's like dimetrodon or dimetrodon. It's the same thing. Megalodon or megalodon. Oh, God. Wow. Keep doing this. What is it? 20 minutes? Firstly, it should be needless to say that it is impossible to reconstruct an entire hypothetical ancient animal based on a few teeth. But even more importantly, it is dubious that a myriad of ancient reptile bird and reptile mammal transitional forms necessary for the blossoming theory of evolution would be hypothesized and then conveniently discovered by teams of evolutionist archaeologists purposely out looking to find such fossils. I'm glad I brought a lot of deer. It's even more dubious that such fossils have supposedly existed for millions of years but were never found by or known to any civilization in the history of humanity until evolution. Okay, yeah. The reason why we didn't know about things beforehand, because we weren't doing shit like wholesale intellectual studies of science when people were building fucking pyramids and stuff like that. That's why we have different ages throughout anthropological records. We have the Bronze Age and Iron Age and all that because we have to do things like figure out the land around us. And when we start finding really old bones like, hey, this looks like a really big chicken bone, what the fuck? Or this looks like a huge human with a single eye, what the fuck? We start looking at stuff like that, saying just wholesale fucking bullshit like that. God damn. But that's what a YouTube video is. A YouTube conspiracy theory video is. This one person getting to spill their nonsense and they're unchecked. This is why I wanted to play this for you. And response videos can be blocked by the original person. They can curate all comments. They can only allow certain ones through. They can moderate everything. Same with a blog. Same with all of that. They control their own criticism. There's a guy right now that a lot of the paleo community is going after, his name's David Peters. He's a jackass who's doing stupid things like all reptiles or mammals and all of these clades should be in this and just all this crap. He wholesale copied an article from a colleague of mine, posted it, which is a violation of copyright, because he's attempting to supersede that work by importing his own ideas to it. He will refuse any critical comments to be posted on his WordPress site. That's really common, though. It's really common with people. The war of ideas in the comments section, that's where it's being fought. Yeah, it's because it's an echo chamber. It's like people don't look as why do people think the world is flat or why do people think dinosaurs don't exist? Their Google Boolean search is dinosaurs don't exist or creationism is true. Evolution is false. The earth is flat. Chemtrails exist. They're creating their own echo chamber and preaching to their own fucking choir. Yeah, and then they have a message board and they go on that message board, massive confirmation bias. Nobody, anybody that doesn't follow that line gets booted out. Let's play more of this because it gets better. Christianism's Masonic Renaissance in the mid 19th century. David Wozni wrote, Why are there no discoveries by Native Americans in all the years previous when they roamed the American continents? Because they weren't digging the fucking earth. There's no belief of dinosaurs in the Native American religion or tradition. Because they were all dead. Why were there no discoveries prior to the 19th century in any part of the world? There could have been you didn't know what it was. That's the thing. It's like the same thing with mammoth cyclops. We didn't know what the fuck it was. We didn't know it was a massive, you know, a massive elephant species. We thought it was a giant person. Yeah. When the first animals were discovered in the Liberator pits before 1913, they thought it was livestock that got trapped in there and died. Then they realized, holy fuck, cows don't have nine inch long incisors that are, you know, perfectly evolved to slash open the throats of things. And then you started questioning. So the Native Americans and all the people, they were finding possibly scatters of bone and didn't know what it was. Did the did the northern first people start licking bones and rocks? No, we discovered that, you know, the science as it figures out going, hey, this is porous material. If I lick porous material, it's going to stick to my tongue. Holy fuck, that's a fossil. This this this kind of just he the problem with you, Eric, is you are starting from an improper position. You are starting on a confirmation bias. You are stating from the beginning that dinosaurs don't exist and you were using peridylia and apophenia, the ability for humans to find patterns in order to fit your bullshit. And then only cherry pick what belongs. That's that's what that's what he does with fucking flat earth. And the problem with this is, like I was saying earlier, because now the stupid minority has a voice all I don't know how many million people subscribe to this fucking channel. Every single flat earth dipshit is going to go. Sixty one thousand people. OK, look at that. Three hundred thousand views. And here's the thing. Check out the comments. The comments he carries the comes down are almost identical. Look, three four eighty six to thirty four ninety. Are you kidding me? You son of a bitch. But I remember being forced to to have the same dinosaur toys as everyone. Yeah, that's because it's called consumerism. Flatter. If no dinosaur, what's the point in making these? OK, see, good. Good for you. Go in there. Extremely great research. Love this very much. Thank you. Max Haskins. Don't breed. Don't ruin dinosaurs with facts. Fuck you. And he's were my favorite animal. Here's another problem. His voice is annoying as fuck. Oh, my God. Let's play more. Oh, thanks. I mean, open the period before the eighteen hundreds. No one ever knew that dinosaurs existed during the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds. Large deposits of dinosaur remains were discovered. Why has man suddenly made all these discoveries? No tribes, cultures or countries in the world ever discovered a dinosaur bone before the mid eighteen hundreds. And then they were suddenly found all over the world in North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Argentina, Belgium, Mongolia, Tanzania, West Germany and many other places. Apparently had larger deposits of dinosaur fossils never before seen. That's because we find the first one and then we're like, holy shit, there must be more of these out there. And then the bone war started between Ogden and Marsh. You had the Mantell collection with the first iguanodon that was found and they put it and they made these really stupid statues and put them in Crystal Palace in London. And Mary Anning, one of the first female, well, the first female paleontologists and one of the first people actually find fossils. She discovered the ichthyosaur. Mary Anning was the girl from the rhyme. She sells seashells on the seashore because that's what she did as a child. And as she was looking for seashells, she found a skeleton of an ichthyosaur buried in a cliff. Oh, yeah. Like a kid. I think she was twelve, thirteen. Holy shit. I think paleontology Twitter is going to rip me apart for not knowing the thing. But come on. I'm hyped up now. He's drunk. He's hyped up. I'm not. Dude, that's one beer. All right. I've got I don't know how many you had before you got here. None. I got excited. I've got nine more in there. I'm going to need them. Yeah, it's just so Mary Anning discovered ichthyosaurs. And once you discover something like that, you want to go around the world and say, hey, where else is this stuff? Let's go somewhere that no one has been. Which means North America, South America, Tanzania, Belize. All the things that Captain Jackass just rattled off. Captain Fuckface. So Tom kept Captain Fuckface. Fucking fuckwitted shit given. I don't just something. Yeah, I still I still shit given from a Trump thing. But it given shit given one. Like a monkey, like a given monkey. I think they're technically apes. Gibbons are apes. I think Gibbons are apes. They have tails. No. Aren't all apes monkeys, but not all monkeys are apes. No, apes and monkeys are primates. But a monkey is just it's not a technical term, right? It's not a scientific term. There was an article that was written that is explaining that all apes are monkeys, but not all monkeys are apes. See if you can find that. Well, let's we'll go to that afterwards. Go to that. Probably because like one of those beers. And let's let's keep this rolling. I want to I want to see how deep we can go with this. I don't know what kind of whatever you got. I had a gosa. Yes, me and Grady. Yes, me and Grady. In 1980 became a period in North America where some of the most underhanded shenanigans in the history of science were conducted. That's because there were two paleontologists going at it against each other going, I can find the cooler thing. No, I can find the cooler thing. I'm going to find more shit than you. It was called the Bone Wars, Ogden versus Marsh. You already talked about this, right? Yeah. What was what was underhanded about it? They would they would sabotage each other's digs. They would try and yeah, steal fossils. They were assholes. But because of the competition, it's it's like a fight. When you have one dude that you know, two dudes that have been training all their lives and trying to do the whole thing. The more amped up one gets, the more amped up the other get. It's going to be a fucking just throw down. This is what happened on an intellectual and fieldwork scale. You had two guys trying to make a name for themselves in a burgeoning brand new field that just wanted to get in and roll. And they had direct competition with each other. So it's going to be, you know, fuck you. I'm going to find these bones first. And it got nasty, man. Wow. Yeah. It's like it. Think of it as Edison versus Tesla paleontology. Right. Tesla wasn't very aggressive. He sort of like let all that shit. Yeah. True. True. Very true. Play it. Keep this going. The Great Dinosaur Rush or the Bone Wars, Edward Drinker Cope of the Academy of Natural Sciences, an Othneal Marsh of the Peabody Museum of Natural History began a lifelong rivalry and passion for dinosaur hunting. Yeah, I said I started out as friends, but became bitter enemies during a legendary feud involving double crossing, slander, bribery, theft, spying and destruction of bones by both parties. Marsh is said to have discovered over 500 different ancient species, including 80 dinosaurs. While Cope discovered 56 out of the 136 dinosaur species supposedly discovered by the two men. Fuck you for saying supposedly 32 are presently considered valid as the rest have all proven to be falsifications and fabrication. Bullshit. Bullshit. Not a falsification or fabrication. Turns out a lot of those dinosaurs were the same species that were previously discovered. So, oh, look, this sauropod femur looks a lot like that sort of pod femur, but I found this slightly in a different place. So I'm going to name it a new species. Nope. Turns out those are both brontosaurus or a patisaurus or triceratops or stegosaurus, anything like that. That that that is just an outright fucking lie that he just said. When things are discovered and it turns out that they're the same, it becomes taxonomically what's called a junior synonym. So, for example, Tyrannosaurus rex had another name for a really long time. It's totally mega, mega, no, regardless. Whatever the first name for it was, was technically the first discovered name for it. But since Tyrannosaurus rex became the more popular, the more documented, the more thing that became a junior synonym or or an obscure that one actually became what we call nomum obscurum or the obscure name no longer, no longer talked about. But that's what happened. It wasn't an outright fabrication. It was two dudes finding bones of the same species or type of animal, but not naming it the same thing. So that's that's an absolute bullshit. Eric Dubay outright lie. Of them once claimed to find a complete skeleton either. So all their work involved reconstructions. In fact, to this day, no complete skeleton has ever been found. Bullshit. And so all dinosaurs are reconstruction bullshit. Sue in the field museum is not 100% complete 98% complete, including formerly unknown elements from any other Tyrannosaur. I believe a commercial paleontology group just found like a 99% or almost all 100% complete dinosaur. We have found entireties or near entireties of animals. So he's right by a very small technicality of one or 2% exactly exactly. But what he's implying is completely misleading. He's implying that they're finding a shin bone and drawing an dinosaur around it. Exactly. But no, like we will find. We could find 70% of Tyrannosaurus rex. We know what they look like. So yeah, we will use 3d printing or casting of all that many and yeah, I'm happily admitting this because everyone knows or at least everyone should know many dinosaurs in museums are what we call conglomerates. It will be a see a triceratops. The skull will be real. Maybe the front half of the animal. Some ribs, maybe some tail vertebra or the pelvis will be from one animal. We will have to use casts of other triceratops that we have throughout paleontology in other museums. Many of the fossils you see on display are casts now cast doesn't mean bullshit created on the spot. It means very technically this is a cast. It is a replica of an actual existing bone that was wrapped made a mold of and then filled with resin painted to the correct color. It is the exact match of a bone that exists. It is not something we are just making up. That is bullshit. And I hate that when they come in and go, oh, look, that's like plastic. Yeah, it's plastic. It's all that. Well, yeah. You know why? I'm not saying that. Well, yeah, you know why? Fossils are fucking fragile. It takes us weeks to get a single bone out and then it is covered in glue. It is wrapped in tissue paper, sometimes tin foil, a shit ton of plaster and reinforcement is wrapped around it. Then it has to be very carefully slid down a mountain on a car hood in one time or air lifted out in another and put in the back of trucks and then taken all the way to its museum and then cracked open and then prepared. Everything has to get get leafed off it very carefully and we're adding more glue as we're going because if you sneeze wrong on some on some mineralized specimens, it goes away. It just goes boom. So you have to work very carefully in a booth with like an aerobrader. So you're just you're shooting extremely fine particles just to get the top millimeter of material off. This is hard detailed work on things that are 65 plus million years old that if we're not careful, they fall apart. We are not going to wrap something like that in fucking steel and put it up on a mount, especially somewhere. I don't know, like Los Angeles where things like earthquakes happen. It's statements like that that he makes are just fucking irritating. Keep it keep it. David Wozni wrote discoveries and excavations seem not to be made by disinterested people such as farmers, ranchers, hikers, or recreationalists building construction industry based on excavations. Bullshit. That's a fucking lutely bullshit. Fuck you, Eric. I'm a paleo monitor, you asshole. I am actually contracted to go out to fucking building sites and make sure fossils are protected and dug up correctly. In fact, you know what, jackass? I found a whale in downtown LA. Fuck you, Eric Dubey. You found a whale? I found a whale in downtown LA. Oh, you talked about this last podcast. You were talking about how they had a shutdown construction. Exactly. You know why? Because building construction finds fucking dinosaurs and whales and prehistoric animals, you jackass. Fuck you. Farmers. So Sue was found on a guy's farm. There have been numerous dinosaurs, numerous prehistoric animals found on a guy's farm. By the way, there's an entire private area up in Bakersfield called Sharks Tooth Hill where they find Meg teeth, megalodon teeth, all the fucking time. In Bakersfield. In Bakersfield. It's on private land. Farmers, builders, recreational people. Yeah. Hey, guess what? A couple of people hiking in Red Rock Canyon up near Palmdale found a trackway from an ancient camel. Requi- recreational people. Yeah. This happens all the fucking time. The reason why it's happening more and more lately is because people know what they're looking for now. They understand, wow, there could be shit out here. Hey, if we're digging a road, if we're widening the 99 freeway in Fresno, holy shit, we hit a mammoth. Or holy shit, we found a whale in downtown LA. Like within blocks of the 110 freeway in Good Samaritan Hospital. I won't tell you where. I can't. But yeah. Just wanted a secrecy? Yeah. It's just part of the contracts. That's the deal. Because if you find something there, you can find more shit. We found over 400 specimens of shark teeth, whales, or ribcage of a whale, snails, fossil coral, all of this because downtown LA was underwater 7 million years ago. And yeah, that's- oh my god, that's fucking bullshit. Ah, let's keep going. Fuck you. Found all the time. Bullshit. Meaning trained motherfuckers. Oh, okay. So it's perfectly fine to accidentally find ancient scrolls or silver denarii from the Roman period or a never before known pyramid in South America. Oh no, that's cool. You know why? Because humans fucking made those. But it's completely out of the norm for some kid, some nine year old kid to be walking around Montana and find a mummified hadrosaur. Because- Yeah, I don't know why he made that distinction. That's a weird comparison. It's more plausible to find the Dead Sea Scrolls in Cumeron than it is to find a megalodon tooth in Bakersfield. That doesn't make any sense. No, no, it doesn't make any sense. He's anthropomorphizing this and he's using a very- an absolutely invalid argument in the logical fallacies, trying- he's trying to- it's absolute false equivocation. He's trying to go, oh well, you know, you can't find this stuff because it's super, super old, but you can find this stuff because it's younger and it's humans and, you know, people live there so we'd expect stuff there. Well, guess what, asshole? There's 65 million years of difference between humans deciding to write shit down and go, hey, there's a day and a night. That means something's ruling the day and the night, gods, religion and industry and all that, and dinosaurs eating shit. 65 million years. You- we were tree shrews and moles. We didn't- we weren't building shit. We weren't writing stuff down. Such a false fucking argument. God, this guy's a jackass. In some cases of a discovery of dinosaur bones by a disinterested person, it was suggested to them by some professional in the field- No, it wasn't. To look or dig in a certain area. No, it wasn't. Also very interesting to note, are special areas set aside and designated as dinosaur parks? Because we found a bunch of shit there! Like Dinosaur National Park. Stop saying fucking allegedly, you son of a bitch. Yeah, because it's a fantastic site. Oh, oh, oh, really? Really? Hey, guess what, Eric? I ran a lab that we had three and a half million specimens from the Ice Age that goes back 90,000 years. So the La Brea Tar Pits, the largest Ice Age mammal collection on the fucking planet, and this stuff isn't mineralized, it's actually subsumed with asphalt, keeping the- all of the calcium and everything intact. These are actual bones. When we find a saber-toothed cat- tooth, it's the physical tooth of the animal, which is kind of freaky to think about. But, but, but saying that, it's like, yeah, we find a lot of shit in places. The River of Death in Alberta, when they're digging the pipeline, I don't know, Mammoth Hot Springs. There are things called death traps, and predator traps, and sinkholes, and natural trap caves, and I don't know, entire sand dunes falling on things while they're fighting the dueling dinosaurs. It's a protoceratops versus a velociraptor that was found in Mongolia, because a fucking sand dune fell on them while they were tussling around, because the V-raptor wanted to eat the thing. That's a rad specimen, by the way. You know what's interesting about this guy? Is that he knows so much. Is that his knowledge of the history of paleontology, and of researching dinosaur bones, he knows so much. I call bullshit on that. What I'm thinking is that he's reading from the script that he cobbled together on fucking Wikipedia. I challenge him to go toe to toe with somebody in the business, I don't know, like me, and go, okay, start throwing dates, start throwing specimens. I will fucking own you. But you know what I'm saying? I mean, he's obviously, he knows all these people, he knows about the bone wars, he knows who's in charge of all these different... Simple Google search of largest dinosaur thing found. Okay, I'm going to write these three things down on this manila fucking legal pad. I understand that. I'm not saying that it's impressive, and that it's conclusive evidence. I'm saying it's impressive that this guy has done this much research, but yet still has this ridiculous idea, and he's using this... Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. He's using all this data that's actually factual about how many different people found how many different things, and he's decided this is proof confirmation... And all he does is put allegedly in front of it. Yeah. It's like, no, sorry, over 6,000 specimens were found there. Let's fucking deal with it. Hunter Earl Douglas sent 350 tons of excavated dinosaur bones to the Carnegie Museum of Natural History throughout his career, all coming from the Dinosaur National Monument in Utah. Why do you think it's called the Dinosaur National Monument now? Dr. Louis Chiapay and Dr. Lowell Dinglet supposedly discovered thousands of dinosaur eggs at a site of only a few hundred square yards. It was called the Tiniest Giants Exhibition. The experts have mentioned how such finds of huge quantities of fossils in one area by just a few highly invested individuals goes against the laws of natural probability... What the fuck? ...and lends credence to the likelihood of forgeries or concentrated planting efforts. Wrong. If you find a fossil... Concentrated planting efforts? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What did they plant? What were the things that they planted? Oh, there's dinosaur bones that they planted? That's... What were the dinosaur bones made out of? Like, resins... So that is actually an argument with these jackasses. It's like, okay, so big paleo, the big paleontologist, people like me... Big paleo! Big paleo. Like Big Pharma. Yeah, like Big Pharma and Big They and, you know, all that... We're big podcasts, Jamie. There you go. We're big podcasts. We're an industry. So they say, they, not in the black man, you know, black helicopter, they, but they, as in the detractors, state that paleontologists, like me, will create a fossil, whether it's like a cast or we'll just make one up. And on these expeditions, we go out and we actually bury it and uncover it and make the news and all that. Well, if that was true, Eric, why is it that when we find something, say in, I don't know, 2008, it's not usually written about until, say, 2012? And that's just a single note in the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, which I guarantee you've never read. Or it's done as a poster at the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology, which I will absolutely guarantee you've never been to. And then the fossil is still in prep at that point. We haven't done all the research on it. It's still undiscovered fossil found. If we are going out and investing all of this money in order to make these fakes and bury them and pay all of these people to shut them up and huge excavations like that, we would kind of want to recoup that money as fast as possible and immediately dump it to the news and get paid for spokesmanship and all of that. But we don't. We suffer. Natural History Museums are some of the lowest donated to institutions on the planet. Art museums are generally number one. There are people that get laid off all the time from museums. Museums close. If we were making all this money and making all this fame, why are there paleontologists out of a job? Why do I know a dozen monitors that don't have work right now? Why are there museums that have a problem actually getting a budget to get an excavation going? That they have to use private donors. That they have to use their board of directors. That they have to go from a county museum to a foundation nonprofit. Non-profit. This is such a line of fucking bullshit that I mean that that pisses me off because his simple statements are looping in thousands and tens of thousands of employees and museums and all of that worldwide. This would be one of the largest conspiracies ever other than I don't know moon hoaxes and that's flat earth and shit like the other one he does. Yeah, that is the biggest one. Keep going. Let's get a more than one. What the non-profit business? Okay, Eric. 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Am I a bartender in addition to a paleontologist, in addition to somebody that's on TV? If I'm making all this big pharma or sorry, big paleo fucking money, if I'm such a shill. OK, yeah. Is that why I'm a month behind on my car payment right now? Is that why I'm trying to scrape together rent? Fuck you. It's getting aggressive. Oh, I'm very aggressive. Fuck these guys. There's people with dire, increased prestige, fame and attention. There is the bandwagon effect and crowd behavior. And then there are people and entities. Wait, but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. The bandwagon effect and the and crowd behavior like flat earth bullshit. OK. We're only seven minutes and 53 seconds into a twenty nine minute video. Fuck all. We don't have to keep going. I don't want you to get too mad. I think you kind of made your point. You can pull a plug anytime you want. But now it's like one of those Twitter arguments, man. Now I'm getting invested. I know that's why I wanted to play. Yeah, I know you fucking troll me all the time because we follow each other, we DM each other. And all of a sudden in my phone, it's like, I have you on note because we're both verified. It pops up and just like Joe Rogen is tweeting about flat earth. I'm like, what? Fuck. And then just go for it. It's like you're I mean, like, you know, the podcast and like flight commentary and UFC stuff and like with your with like triggered coming out and all that. That's one thing when you rile up the cranks, man, you're just like you're at the same level. Actually, you have like how many followers do you have? Like two million. Right. Is it like on Twitter? TTT, take that Darwin, like 10, maybe 15000. I get the same level of riled from both of you. Fuck, man. So we need to fly him out and have him on the show. This guy, this no, no, Eric. No, no, no, no, no. Take that Darwin. Yeah, doll. You know, he would be fun. He would be red. No, he would be fun. Fuck Eric Dubay. If he's ever on the show, I want to be outside waiting with a fucking baseball bat. Oh, how rude. You want to be violent with him? Almost, almost. Don't you want to talk to him? Would you love me? I think you could gain a lot from sitting down with a guy like this and just sort of picking him apart because you would realize what he was wrong about. And instead of him being able to just spout off on a YouTube video, he would be checked at every step of the way whenever he said something incorrect. Yes. But the problem is the only reason why I would do that. He will never change his mind. Well, he's probably crazy. Well, duh, he's absolutely crazy. But think about it right now. You have four million subscribers that now know this video exists, that no Eric Dubay's name, that no that paleontologist can get riled up by this guy. They're now going to go, look, if any one of your listeners is on the fence about dinosaurs, why would you be? But you could have some. Those are the people that I would have to try and convince. I will never convince him. I will mock the living shit out of him until he wants to put himself into a chipper shredder. But I will never convince him. It's the and that's that's the thing. So all you psych people out there. We don't do it to try and convince the big mouthpieces for these movements. We're trying to go for the people that aren't quite sure. If we embarrass the living fuck out of these people, those people will go, wow, those guys are idiots. Why did I even consider that the world is flat or the dinosaurs didn't exist or creationism exists or chemtrails or Nibiru fucking rogue planets and shit like that?