Mysterious Parasites Plague Justin Wren | Joe Rogan

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Justin Wren

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Justin Wren is a professional mixed martial artist, humanitarian aid-worker, and founder of Fight for the Forgotten: a non-profit benefiting the Mbuti Pygmy people of the Congo.

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I want to hear about your parasites. Oh, yeah. So what's going on? Well, there's still more testing but they did find something called schistosomiasis in me. So schisto is From the tropical rainforest of Africa. I think that's the only place that exists But it comes from these snails and so because I probably bathed not because I probably I have bathed in the rivers there Been in the rivers going across get it in your mouth. No, they can get into your skin I was real itchy for a couple weeks there What that was was some of the like parasites, I guess Would you call it there they're like egg sacs or something that got on me? Yeah got inside of my stomach my liver. Oh, geez could be potentially even in my brain in your brain potentially So so they don't know yet. Well, they What's today today's Wednesday, right? Yeah one day I did my final exams and I did three full days with his doctor Dr. Daniel Aiman he would be phenomenal for the show. By the way, he's incredible to to Ted talks millions of you You keep you're such a great promoter of your friends. Yeah, you're divert and you want to talk about them I want to talk about you. Okay, let's talk about me. What's going on with your brain saw him because I Kept getting jerked around by all these different doctors. It's this it's this it's right. It's this right And I've had numerous endoscopies to go look at my stomach because why am I throwing up and one says it is an ulcer Another comes out and says your stomach's perfect inside. It's a little red, but like there's no ulcer whatsoever And so I have schisto. I've had it in the testable bacteria. That's really bad called shigella I've had malaria three times. I've had dengue fever So dengue was in me for at least a month the CDC found it in me You've had this parasite in you for a long time now. How many months? at least six Since April and have you been able to train at all during this time ups and downs? So I was at the police and fire training center of Oklahoma City And I was just helping them there's some really great guys there and I was helping them and the fire chief ended up putting me in the cold shower for like 20 minutes because I got so With you said I got like ghostly white and I started dry heaving and I was just shaky all over this is all from your parasites Yeah, Jesus and so it's up and down I'll start I'll start getting in shape. I'll start losing weight. I'll start I'll start feeling good and I just crash. I've had shingles five times Joe what the fuck five times and This stuff well, I'm starting to do hyperbaric Hyperbaric oxygen therapy got a prescription for that and that's been helping more than anything right now. Yeah I'm trying to have that morning routine protect my sleep eat right my wife helps me meal prep I have juices all through the day the superfood coffee. I'm doing all the stuff I can I was on 28 pills a day for Four or five weeks in a row. This is just for this parasite. Yeah Well a whole parasite cleanse because they haven't been able to parasite that they haven't found or that they haven't like That's not because I'm going so remote Joe in the forest They think I could have picked up something crazy. So they just did a lime limes disease test on me This was on Monday. So limes disease. They did a cheek swab from like genetics. They did Hair, so they cut off like six different spots of hair glowing locks Yeah, so they cut that my wife was a mom were teasing me because I was like crying about it I was like don't cut it here. Don't cut it here So they took six spots of hair samples from me blood urine stool samples They did two different kinds of brain scans on me So they literally injected something that was very minor ly Radioactive in me so that it could light up all the different spots in my brain activity So where there's too much blood flow or there's not enough And literally so one of the things I found on the scan which I already knew but they can test Not just stuff for like CTE or mild traumatic brain injury and TBI before autopsy now these brain scans they can also test for Like PTSD and so there's this there's this diamond in the middle of your brain and you're only supposed to have a little bit of Activity there just very very small But if you have this what they call the ring of fire this diamond of red and white being lit up on the brain scans That literally shows that you have PTSD. So I had Dakota Meyer in here. Do you know who yeah Dakota? That was an incredible podcast meant to text you after he's an amazing guy People haven't heard that one go back and watch it. It's one of my favorites that you've had Dakota's a legitimate hero, but one of the things that he was saying was that they Injected him and this do you remember what the blocker was called that blocker? SKG or whatever the blocker was He described it and he said it completely stopped his PTSD Yeah cured all of his anxiety if you can find it Jamie just so we could reference it Remember that I sent it to my wife. She's in psychology right now She's gonna be a counselor and I sent that to her because they were talking about PTSD and the teacher said oh, yeah That's been around for a while too. And that's what Dakota said. Yeah, I think they made a clip I think they made a clip that Jerry clips guys did What's going ganghlyan? Yes. Yes. Yeah, SGB goes red. Gb. A locker ganglion. Yeah, yeah that he said it just Instantly alleviated all of his problems. Yeah, which is insane I mean like my wouldn't you love that miracle cure they give you a shot? Boom your problems go away Absolutely, didn't you say it lasts for like a year? I think he said six months to a year depending on a kind of you have To have other traumatic. I'm thinking of doing it even though I don't know anything wrong. Yeah, I just want to feel great Well, this is what's crazy. Oh and then Dakota said that but this dr. Daniel Ayman who's got like he's a ten-time New York Times best-selling author and he's got a book about PTSD and Basically, he was saying that yeah That shot really really does work and people have been doing it for years and with veterans It's one of the quickest do they think that you have some PTSD? Yeah, these oh, so he was saying this What Dakota said you just queued that up where or triggered that in my memory where? the most Common PTSD is car wrecks. I think that's what Dakota said, right? Yes is car wrecks caused the most PTSD Same spots in your brain that diamond of fire And that's something you can't avoid right you have to go back and be in public transportation or getting your own car Do you have them from car accident? No, not from car accidents What do you think you have it from from some tough stuff in the rainforest whether it's Uganda or Congo? we've had to flee from a village whenever a rebel group came into the village next to us and they Killed six or eight people and we're all fleeing across the river in these like little pygmy dugout canoes Which aren't big enough really for me? And we're trying to flee across the river before the Sun's even up and there's like crocodiles and hippos in the water And then uh, and then a couple other really terrible things I mean, I've held kids that have died and buried them and yeah dug their graves and that's happened numerous times We've had machine guns pointed at us. I won't get into that story too much But we talked about that one of those stories before yeah, and someone someone I love was right or a bunch of people that I love were with me and So that was really tough because we were unarmed and we're being threatened And so that was tough. I mean then and then some like childhood stuff I think different kinds of abuses bullying and stuff like that. Yeah, I'm saying there's some public shaming And I don't want to lose track of what I was asking about your health Okay, so what what are they doing and what can they do about what what you have? So when you said you might have some crazy shit meaning you might have a parasite. They don't even know yet Yes, so that might be in that's why they diagnosed or in blood You're in blood stool hair and cheek swab samples So it's possible that you have something that like very few human beings have ever had because you said they haven't found deep jungle Yeah, how long does it take you to get to where you go? Well, it depends on where where we go the deepest place Okay, a plane from Oklahoma City to normally Chicago or Dulles or JFK or Atlanta and then we go to Amsterdam or London or is it Qatar or Qatar? I think it's guitar guitar Okay, I think and then we'll fly either from there to Nairobi, Kenya or Kigali Rwanda and then from there you connect to Kampala Uganda and then from there you get a private like missions or humanitarian plane That's just you and the pilot and so you take that plane from there to you from Uganda to Congo And then you land you do customs and then you get back in the plane and you go and you land on a runway that Normally, they have just cleared with machetes. So so how many times you flying you're flying from Oklahoma City Let's just say Oklahoma City JFK JFK to London two planes. So to the London London to Kenya Kenya Kenya to Uganda for Uganda to come to kind of and then you get into the plane again to go out to the rain so six planes Six flights at least five planes. How many days? It's normally two or three days and then 30 hours or something of travel and then after that you get in a car and it could be six hours So where you land used to be in the rainforest But you drive six hours now to get to the rainforest. How come because it's deforestation so bad The deforestation in the last 25 years. They've cut down about the size of Texas It's pretty wild. We've we've we've helped replant 4,000 trees, but that's not even scratching the source doing this who's deforesting everybody It's a lot of Chinese, UK and Outsiders that come in and exploit the rainforest. There's a lot of mahogany in the area. Mmm. What is it? Ebony There's a lot of rubber tricenses to do this. No, no, no, they just do it Just they just send someone in and cut down the trees so no one knows to do it No one stops them now, so they just claim the resources they don't have on the border They might have to pay some sort of bribe or tax. They call them that Or taxes they call them that yeah vat. That's you gone and way to say taxes Then from there that drive that six hours sometimes it's taken 25 hours one time and another time it took 47 Same drive 47. Yeah, why did take 47? Oh, I think we helped get 40 something cars out of the way That we're stuck in the mud. So it's really silty there. You don't call a Congo roads roads I've never been on tarmac in Congo. Actually, that's why I have been in On cement in Goma, but outside of Goma. There are no Concrete roads anywhere tarmac roads. So I've seen an 18 wheeler or lorry Three-fourths of the way sunk to where is up to their window the driver's side window up to silt in that they get it out I don't know that one that one was just kind of in the graveyard. That one was like done. No one's getting that thing out Really? Yeah, I mean you're going around mountains and you look down to the side and you'll see four eight twelve vehicles that have flipped off There's some vice videos of the craziest roads in the world a lot of them are in Congo Some say Rwanda because there's so many hills It's the land of a thousand hills and so there's so many sharp turns and they take those turns at 40 50 60 miles And so they'll literally just fly off the mountain and so you catch this parasite you've gone through all these tests I mean, this has been I mean we've been talking about on the podcast for several months now So for me hearing that you're still dealing with it is really disturbing. Yeah, what can they do about this? What are they gonna do? I think getting off that cleanse. I mean I was on 28 pills for four weeks, maybe five weeks And some of it were like antibiotics, but I have to stay away from certain antibiotics Here's the thing a couple of things that I know I have PTSD Because of my brain scans and then they see in my brain toxicity And so the toxicity in my brain which kind of form these little divots, but not really divots It's not really changing the biology or makeup of my brain, but it's just activity of my brain isn't fully developed right there where or it's it's being Toxins are there that are either from mefloquine or from? Cipro have you heard of cipro? What is my city? What's the first one? Meflo Quinn? What is that stuff? That's a malaria drug Oh, geez, so the malaria drug take for any reason really? That used to be the drug of choice for a military now tens of thousands of our military veterans if you look up Meflo Quinn toxicity Military times they've done two articles one was just a month or two ago But the first one showed that tens of thousands of our military veterans have wrongly been diagnosed with PTSD And it's been because of this mefloquine so they never saw war the mefloquine toxicity of the brain It's like this poison for your brain And if you've taken it for like six months, you can have it it starts giving you bad nightmares You can have different kinds of mood swings and different stuff health join aches Fatigue all sorts of different things, but Basically what mefloquine toxicity of the brain does well tens of thousands have been wrongly diagnosed with it when they take it for once Up once a week so you take the pill once a week and that was why it was our drug of choice Instead of it being every day or two times a day, right? You just take it once a week Well when I had malaria the three times I was allergic to the normal malaria medication Quinine and artifan and some other drugs like doxycycline and Malarone I wasn't responding to those. Well, I was vomiting. I was uh, I was allergic to them So mefloquine my body digested the best or I just took it the best So the three times I had malaria they gave me two in the morning two midday and two at night And so I'm taking six and a day for five to seven days and these other guys that were getting mefloquine toxicity We're taking it once a week for six months. So I had 30 to 42 in a week's time I had six months in a week's time and I did that three different times. Why are they giving you so much? It was what my body was responding to against malaria the first time I lost 33 pounds in five days And so as vomiting red and green blood and bile I lost most of my hearing my peripheral vision started disappearing I had some called black water fever where my urine was literally as dark as that that black clock Take pictures of it. I didn't I should probably should have it freaked me out Five days. I didn't urinate and then when I finally did if you Google blackwater fever One in four or one in two people that get it they die You didn't urinate for how many five days five days. I couldn't be oh my god They were trying to get IVs in me. My veins were collapsing. Oh, Jesus So that was that was pretty brutal But yeah, man, so I'm getting my health better there because I do want to fight again How can you if you have this stuff in your brain? Well, I'm journaling my road to recovery But if they don't know what this parasite is, how are they treating it? Like what are they how are they gonna get? Hopefully, I don't find anything because I just got off those rounds of so they're testing me for Lyme disease They're testing me for all these kind of parasites amoebas Bacterias you can get Lyme disease in the Congo Well, I've I've been camping out here and I've gotten like bit by five or ten So But yeah, there there's these wicked kind of ticks My record is pulling five roaches out of my beard in one night. Christ. So there's tons of bugs there Do you know does they have does Oklahoma have that Rocky Mountain? I think so. Nothing One that gives you a allergy If you had that one, I've been bit by that one. I don't think I have a meat allergy though. Oh, yeah, that's a crazy one What is it called alpha gal alpha galactose? It's a Something that it's the reaction that this tick bite gives you it makes you allergic to this Specific element in red meat. Wow. Yeah, you can only eat fish and like if you try to eat meat, you'll get really sick Wow crazy that is crazy But they're trying to figure it out why and this is gonna be crazy Why I'm 32 and I've had shingles five times What my first time I got malaria? I don't know if you can see the white in my beard over here Mm-hmm, but I got white in my beard the first time I had malaria the second time I had malaria had white come out in my beard down here. So your body's just freaking out Yeah, so then now I've got shingles five times And then this is gonna sound crazy, but I know I have to have a This might be too much information, but I know I have to have a bowel movement whenever my nose starts running So literally whenever I have to go my nose starts running and running and running How is that connected? I don't know. That's what they're looking into. Mmm That's it's your second brain. And so it's it I don't know it's digestion. What's your stomach is your second brain They said oh, that's more in your gut trust your gut. Yeah, it's got literally more neurons in your stomach than in your brain Really? That's what the doctor was saying. I know that's the case with your heart as well, right? There's a bunch of neurons in your heart that they're realizing now like that whole idea of trusting your heart trusting your gut like these these Thought processes that people had might have actually been based on some intuitive understanding about how the body actually works Wow, it's really weird. It is weird really weird strange everything everything's connected. Mm-hmm, right? Yeah, that's connected That's not weird. Really. Okay, it makes sense over time And the doctors in Oklahoma are like we have no explanation for that and then the doctors out here were like Oh, that's because this is connected to this and they did all my blood work Even though they've did more blood labs before I ever came out here like a week or two ago They still poked me five more times to get more blood work because well three times they were drawing blood two times They're putting that stuff in me so they could do the brain. So you're getting better Doctors out here. Yeah more and more informed. Yeah more informed