Jordan Peterson Clarifies His Gender Pronoun Stance - The Joe Rogan Experience

Hello freak bitches. That's what, that's my fundamental orientation and so, or my fundamental concern. I mean I don't expect people to be 100% honest because of course who is, you know, I mean that's a hell of a high standard to hold anyone to but all of that is smoke and mirrors and I think the people who are after me know it. Well let's get through some of that then, just to sort of establish it for people maybe that don't know. What issues do you, do you have any issue whatsoever with someone being transgender? No I don't have any issue with that. What I have an issue with is that is that I don't like to see the postmodern neo-Marxists use the transsexual issue as a lever for pushing forward their political nonsense and I said that right from the beginning in the videos I made to begin with. The reason I wouldn't use the words Z and Z and and all those other made up words, however many there are now, is because I'm not willing to cede the linguistic territory to postmodern radicals. I'm not doing that and they say well we're doing it on behalf of the oppressed transsexual people and I think yeah well that's what you say but there's no reason I should believe that. I don't believe anything you say. I think you're contemptible, cowardly, ideologically motivated, cult-like, corruptors of the youth. So why would I use your language? Well let's unpack that because one of the things that I find fascinating is how few transgender people want to use those words. The transgender people seem to want to identify with whatever gender they like. If you are a male to female transgender person you would prefer to be called a she. Like Caitlyn Jenner right? And pretty much everybody calls the artist formerly known as Bruce Jenner, Caitlyn Jenner. That's just it's like if you had a look at how many people just openly accept that it's pretty well accepted right? Most transgender people prefer that. They prefer female to male. I prefer they prefer to be a man now. I'm a man now. Okay Bob, Dick, whatever your name is. That's and there's not a lot of Zee Zurtar. Well maybe I'm out of the loop. No you're not out of the loop. The other thing is those are all third person pronouns. It's like I'm not going to call you a third person pronoun while we're sitting here. I never would if I'm referring to you when I'm talking to someone else. Call their name right? Well I could use your name. I might use he then but I don't know well it's just all of it is pulpibly absurd. I think it's always hard to get the level of analysis for this sort of issue correct. You know because the people who are pushing it forward say well we're against harassment and and discrimination and they attribute all the moral virtue to themselves but then what I see is that they're utilizing a group, a very small minority group, who already have enough problems in my estimation for for nothing other than straightforward political purposes. I don't buy the warm-hearted, you know all inclusive love that the people who are pushing this sort of thing forward claim to display. I don't see that at all. What I see mostly is resentment and the desire to undermine and I'm quite familiar with the postmodern philosophy, not as familiar as I could be and also reasonably familiar with its underlying Marxism and there's nothing touchy-feely about any of that I can tell you. The postmodernist, the best you can do with postmodernist philosophy is emerged nihilistic. That's the best. The worst case is that you're a kind of anarchical social revolutionary that's directionless except that you want to tear things apart or or that you end up depressed which I see happening to students all the time because the postmodernists rip out the remaining structures of their foundations, of their ethical foundations. So just to be really clear for anybody tuning in, your issues are absolutely not with someone who identifies with a gender other than their biological gender. As long as they're not using that to promote a political agenda. But I don't care about the gender thing. I mean that's... Doesn't mean anything. Well it's someone... It's a personal preference. It's a personal issue. Right. Personal issue. It's a personal issue and I would also deal with it on an individual to individual basis. Because it varies just as much as they're extremely masculine men, extremely feminine women, and there's a broad spectrum of human beings in between and each one should be dealt with on an individual basis. Yes. Based on what they want. But when you're talking about these made-up words, what it seems like is some people trying to push these made-up words and turn them mainstream. Now the question is, what's the motivation behind that? Is this a necessary thing? Are there so many people that are of asexual or of some sort of... I mean what would be a Z or a Zir? What is that supposed to be? Is that supposed to be a male or a female? Is it supposed to be asexual? Or is it supposed to be a non-conformist? I mean what is it? Well it's supposed to be someone who whose gender isn't specified, who's neither male nor female. Or maybe they say technically in the policy guidelines is anywhere or nowhere on the spectrum. And that's actually in the policy guidelines in Ontario. Anywhere or nowhere. Right. And the nowhere. I mean these are policies that are going to determine law, right? Within which the law is going to be interpreted. I don't even know what nowhere on the spectrum means. I don't understand what that means. It doesn't mean anything. It's nonsense. It's nonsense. So you have... So here's the options, right? There's someone who identifies with the opposite gender of their biological birth. So there's a man, for instance, who identifies as a woman. Everyone's cool with that. Whatever your name is, whatever you would like to be called, whether it's Wendy or Mike or whatever it is, that would be the noise that you want people to make with their mouth that means you. That's it, right? Now whether you're a he or a she outside of that, that's where things get squirrely. So third person is the only issue. The only issue is like say if we were talking to Jamie, Jamie just decided to... He's going to be Jamie now. He's still Jamie. Jamie's a girl's name too. I know girls name Jamie. So he could be Jamie. And Jamie decides he's a woman. And now he wants to be called she. And we're like, okay, okay, she. All right, Jamie. Now you're she. But when it gets to like zer and zee and the 78 different gender pronouns, it seems to a person outside of it, person who's cisgendered, it seems pretty pretty bizarre. And it seems pretty preposterous. And it seems pretty indulgent. And it seems like there's something else going on. And this is what you... Well, that's the thing. It's the something else going on part that is what concerns me. There is something else going on. If there wasn't something else going on, a relatively obscure professor's amateurish YouTube videos on a relatively obscure piece of Canadian legislation wouldn't have had any effect, right? It would have just disappeared. But it didn't. And that's because there's more going on than the straightforward issue surrounding the pronoun use. And everybody knows it. Or everybody feels it at least. Well, what it seems like from someone who's outside of academia, someone like me, is it seems like you're pushing back against something that they are really trying hard to establish. And then it's some kind of control. It's some kind of control with how people behave and communicate. And it's not like a societal thing. It's a very small isolated group of people that seem to be trying to indoctrinate others into their ways. And they become... they're becoming very vocal and very angry and in a sense like verbally violent about your opposition to their controlling the way they can meet that other people. Yeah, well they don't like the poking holes in their ideology.