Joe Rogan Reviews Recent UFO News with Jacques Vallee

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James Fox is a UFO investigator and documentary filmmaker. His new film, “Moment of Contact” is available to stream now. https://geni.us/MomentOfContact

Jacques Vallée

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Jacques Vallée is a venture capitalist, technologist, and world-renowned figure in the field of unidentified aerial phenomena.

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You have something? Yeah, so this is a breaking story and former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Christopher Mellon literally sent this to me about 15 minutes ago and he wanted me to read it verbatim. So I was going to read this. It's pretty startling stuff. So I'll read it. In the last 48 hours, the public has learned of two stunning incidents captured on film by US Navy carrier pilots earlier this year. One of the cases features a photo of a bizarre flying sphere and a black cube inside that is identical to dozens of other reports by Navy pilots. These strange objects have been shadowing East Coast naval ops since 2015. They sometimes maneuver in formation and have occasionally been reported achieving supersonic speeds. The other incident produced a stunning detailed photograph of a massive triangular shaped vehicle that emerged from the ocean and flew vertically straight up and out of sight just past a Navy F-18 operating off the US aircraft carrier. These iPhone photos taken by the pilots should be released to the public as there are no sources and methods to protect and the national security benefits of raising awareness regarding this issue vastly outweigh any conceivable benefit from concealing the information. It is hard to believe that in the face of such radical and incredible technology within our vast defense department, we only have a so-called task force consisting of two individuals with no budget who are stiff armed for access to relevant and timely information by the Air Force and other security organizations. By comparison, 60 years ago in response to Sputnik, America entered the space race which led to landing on the moon. Our government needs to wake up and address the far greater technology gap that these and many other incidents are revealing. There is obviously a glaring strategic mismatch between the current task force and the technology that has been identified. Why did he send you this? Because he felt it was a developing story and he wants people to be aware that there is really compelling evidence right now, photographically, that needs to be released. And so you told him you were coming on here and that's when he sent it to you? Yes, and he said that these people need to feel some pressure. They need to know that we are requesting, not demanding, but requesting further government transparency on this issue. And he's very passionate about it. He knows of these photographs. The government's, we got the story, I think it was yesterday, and the government is refusing to release these photographs. The pilots want these photographs released. The people that were involved with the incident want the photographs released. And so he wants the public to know that these photographs exist and that they should be released. And they're currently in the possession of? He wouldn't reveal that. He knows the person, but he said that the government is not wanting them released and he feels that we have a right to these photographs. And there's video that came with this story as well. Well, remember, this comes from the very guy who was strategic, Christopher Mellon, in getting those videotaped evidence from the cockpits of those F-18 fighter jets off the East Coast as well as off the West Coast in 2004, 2015, and ended up with that big story on the front page of the New York Times in 2017. Yeah, see, that's a new thing because if you went to like 2004 when this all happened, no one was really talking about UFOs in a serious manner. It was still something that would be mocked and ridiculed, but to have it on the front page of the New York Times and to have this spokesperson for the Pentagon say that they've recovered off world vehicles, not from this earth, not made on this earth. This is a change, right? Even though it doesn't receive that much public attention because it's all happening during a pandemic and everyone's just... And also the news cycle today is so bizarre. Something gets into the news cycle and then it's gone tomorrow because of new scandal or people find out Ellen's mean or whatever it is. There's always something new that's coming out. And these things though, it seems to be there's more of them and more of them coming out. And with each news story that comes out, people feel more emboldened to tell their story. I think personally everything changed in December of 2017 when that page, a front page of the New York Times revealed that secret A-TIP program. And I know personally because I've gotten ridiculed for decades for the work I do, a lot less so recently, people are certainly raising an eyebrow going, wow, there's clearly something more to this and just radar weather balloons and misidentified aircraft. Jamie, pull up the video that's in that article. There's an actual YouTube video. There's two. One's from 1994, one's from 2013. Let's go with the 2013 one. But these videos are very strange. You see this object. What's interesting too is that, okay, this is the one that I didn't see, but that this thing, the way it moves and behaves, the one that's from, I guess it was from the 1994 one, this is the 2013 one. This is the one from Puerto Rico. So it's just kind of cruising across the sky. It's hard to track here in this block. There it is. Does it estimate how fast this thing's supposedly going? It looks like they were near some sort of military base or something. On the Agua Dia, which is like the west coast. So weird to see. It's not clear what this thing is. So one of the things that I think it's really good to establish. I'm sorry, but go further ahead in this video to see if maybe there's a better version of it or a better. Sort of check. The other one has a little clear video. Yeah, there you go. That's much clearer. Like what is that? That's not a bird. Like moving through the clouds. One of the things I wanted to make a distinction of is the technology, the observed technology that these guys are talking about. So you've got objects with no wings, no visible means of propulsion, the ability to hover, accelerate from a standstill to add a sight in the blink of an eye, right angle turns at high speed, fly rings around our fastest jets. That is the technology that cannot be confused or explained away as something conventional. So anytime you see an object like we're looking at here, if it performs or exhibits that technology, maybe it shoots off at high rate of speed, does a right angle turn at high speeds. No wings, no tail, no propulsion, no sonic boom, almost no sound. That's... And they're trying to get a close up on this thing to get a better idea of what the shape is. It's very hard to tell. But these objects, also one of the weird things is it moves around the same way Commander Fraver described that thing moving around that was hovering over the ocean, that it kind of darts around left and right, right and left, almost like it's just not connected to whatever our atmosphere is. It's like it's moving into this weird zigzag sort of a way. This is an infrared image, right? It's not visible. It's not a normal camera. I don't know. I don't know what it is. Is that what it looks like to you? I think it's the same type of camera that has the one from the image. So you're looking at the heat signature. You're not really looking at the visual picture. So that's why you cannot get a clear definition of it. Well, they need better cameras. So as you go further along in the video, they do get a better view of it. There it is. Like what the hell is that? You know, that was one of the more startling moments of producing the film, the phenomenon for me was when I met with Senator Harry Reid, who spearheaded the ATIP program, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program that wound up on the front page of the New York Times. I wasn't quite sure when I met with him how where his comfort zone was. And so I was really kind of cautious for the first half an hour of the interview. And then I started we started to relax and get more comfortable with each other. And I decided to kind of push it a little bit. And I said, hey, Senator, I met with Gordon Cooper, who later became Mercury astronaut, who told me on camera that there was a landing incident that took place at Edwards Air Force Base, circa 1957, where they happened to have a camera crew out near the dry lake bed, capturing the installation of a new landing facility for F-86 fighter jets. And it was broad daylight. And all of a sudden, this disk appears out of nowhere and the camera crew turned their cameras on it and they filmed the landing of this flying saucer on the dry lake bed at Edwards Air Force Base. And I'm telling the story to Senator Reid thinking, you know, I don't know how he's going to react when I but this is what I have him on camera. And I said he has the film footage developed. It was good footage. He held it up. He looked at it. It was a disk, you know, blah, blah, blah. And eventually he gets a courier jet from Washington, D.C. that flies in, pick up the footage. Senator Reid goes, and it was never seen or heard from again. And I said, yeah, exactly. And I said, did you guys uncover stuff like that? He goes, oh, yeah, it's all there. It's we we have it. It's all there. And then he goes to change the topic and talk about something else. And I said, well, hold on, Senator. Are you saying that there's evidence that hasn't seen the light of day? And he looked at me and he kind of pauses and he picks up his water bottle and drinks a sip of water. And that that that moment seemed like an hour, but it was probably just a second or two. And he puts his water bottle down. He says, I'm saying that most of the evidence hasn't seen the light of day. So that. That for me was such a powerful moment because I'm going look at who this is coming from. This is the former head of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid saying that the vast majority of evidence hasn't seen the light of day. And if the president of the United States can't get access to it, as I found out when I interviewed all the people around President Clinton, who can who has the authority to have this stuff released? And that's something that I would love to know. And I've been trying to find out. So someone does someone in some position of government or some intelligence agency, someone in the Pentagon, someone or some group at the highest level of clearance has access to this information and knows about it. Absolutely. Senator Reid said they uncovered all this stuff during the program. And he said the level of resistance that he got from the intelligence agencies was insane. Like, I mean, they did not want this project going forward at the Pentagon, but they pushed and they pushed and they pushed and they got it through. Started in 2007. It went all the way up until it ended up on the front page of The New York Times in twenty seventeen. And of course, now we know that there's another project. But, Jacques, do you know who has the authority to release this stuff to the general public? No, no, not in this particular case. Catch new episodes of The Joe Rogan Experience for free only on Spotify. 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