Joe Rogan on the End of the CHAZ w/Josh Barnett

A great micro version of what we're talking about is the Capitol Hill autonomous zone, which turned out to be a fucking disaster. Hitting so close to home, Joe. I'm from Ballard, yeah. And you know, it's so interesting. It's like, of course it would be on Capitol Hill. I mean, that was like our little Haight-Ashbury of sorts. But you know, I thought Capitol Hill had really jumped the fucking shark a long time ago when I was reading an article about people wanting to be on Capitol Hill so bad that they were willing to live in shared apartment, shared living space scenarios where they're sharing bathrooms and kitchens and all this and paying like stupid money for a room. And I don't mean a room in a house. I mean purpose built habitation scenarios to do that. And I'm just like, why the fuck do you want to live there that bad? I mean, there's plenty of cool shit there, but there's plenty of cool shit all over Seattle. What was it about Capitol Hill? Because I'm not a Seattle guy. It was just, you know, it was the gay or LGBT, I guess now, as you would refer to it, epicenter. There was a lot of there had some head shop stuff. It was just sort of a counterculture district, you know. And I remember as a kid, you know, we'd go up there and go to the weird little stores. I mean, that'd be the place where you want to buy some crystals and all that kind of stuff. It would be there. But it was a groovy, very densely cultural place and famous for a lot of things. You know, some things unfortunate, like me as a potter getting killed behind the tavern but also for many, many great things too. But it was it would definitely be the place where you would see something like a Chaz pop up. It's just that the separation from idea to reality with something like a Chaz is and it's always going to be this case. It's always going to be just mountains in between the two. You know, the funniest part, I think, for me is watching that altercation video with Raz and his new police stating we're the police now. And the guy in being approached for graffitying a building going, well, you know, what's up with all the guns and all the white guys got all these guns and this lady who's filming going, don't don't worry about us having guns. Who cares about guns? Cops carry guns. Guns are no big deal. I'm just like, whoa. You guys are doing exactly what you're complaining. They basically made all the worst aspects of a country. They put up a border immediately. They kept people from going and they had no medical. They had no police. Their police was a bunch of thugs. If something went wrong, they beat people up, attacked them. One guy was filming things that it like a member of the jump them. Yeah, beat his ass. Yes. And there's a picture afterwards of Raz and the guy then embracing each other, which to one side I'm thinking, see, I fucking told you people violence isn't the worst thing in the whole world. To be perfectly honest, violence can bring people a lot closer together than you think. We've never trained together, but we know what it's like to train. So there's already this inherent rapport between us. And then the rapport between you and anybody that gets on the mat is almost sussed out immediately because you just cannot be in a situation like that and be living on persona alone. You need to really be who you are. And that might be a really great fighter. Might be a really mediocre one. It doesn't really matter. Everybody is generally towards their purest self when put into that kind of scenario. It is the Chuck, I can't say his last name, Palanuk. Yeah. Fight club. Palanuk. He's been on the podcast for two years. No, he's awesome. I listen to him. He's a rad dude. He's his name? Palanuk? Palanuk? Okay. Fascinating guy. And he, you know, that line about you never know who you are until you've been in a fight. Yeah. It's true. You never know who you are, get into a fight. But watching that, and then, you know, so the side of me is going to see, like, perhaps, you know, a little bit of fisticuffs could make things a little better, you know, especially if we were to talk about the law of mutual combat that exists in Washington. Right, which is very weird. Which I think should be national, to be perfectly honest. The only thing I might have with that is that, like, they let people fight out on the street, which you should be aware that if you get KO'd, you're going to, you might die. I know. I think that should be... Your head's going to bounce off the concrete. You're going to be included in such a law. Yeah, you have to be like, look, you're taking your life into your own hands. Like legitimately, if you're doing it out in the dirt, you know, you probably would've been okay. I know, but we can't nerf the world that much. We just can't. It's just not possible. And as much as we would love to think about the ideal scenario for everything, you can't. There's always going to be that one, ten, whatever. It's just not possible. And so, and then, you see Raz and this guy, and it's like, oh, it's all good. But it's just like, well, but what if cops just got to just smack people all the time? I mean, that's part of the problem with police issues in general. Right? I mean, we can go on about... I've seen that you get the arguments about stats from the FBI and about the shootings and unarmed shootings and all this kind of stuff, but they don't have stats for how many times has a cop just beat someone's ass. They don't have stats. They don't have stats. It's a lot. Right. But with the Chazz, this thing, the saddest thing about all this, even besides, I'll take an argument on this, even besides all the fucking property damage and just tearing everything up and obviously loss of life. Right? There's legitimate loss. How many people got killed there? At least two, right? Like seven. Like seven more. Seven people died? Like seven. Jesus Christ. Seven people are dead.