Joe Rogan on Singer Porsche's

Yeah. What year is your 911? It's an 87. That's a good year. We're doing a safari build. What does that mean? Oh. So you're making like one of those off-road Porsche? Rally cars. Rally cars. Yeah, it's called the Keen project. My friend Lee Keen is a Porsche racing driver and he built one for himself and it is the most glorious thing I've ever driven. And it's everything that you love about a 911 applies to this on loose surface. There it is. That's your car? That's not my car. My car is going to look like that although it will be a different color and have a roof rack and it'll be slightly, slightly different. That thing's crazy. That actually is a Richard Tuttle build from England. He's the guy that made Chris Harris' car. If you look up Keen, Keen Safari, K-E-E-N, and you'll see it closer to mine. Tuttle's the guy that made that crazy green car. Oh, this is my video of driving Lee's car. And it is... See look, I was fatter there. So it's just drifty woods oversteer and you know that rear engine kind of snapback thing that everyone's all afraid of in 911s, the pendulum thing? Yeah. Well, you get that when you slide and then it catches and comes back. On a loose surface, there's no catch. So you slide it but you don't have the scary snapback. It just drifts and comes back and drifts. You know, there's Lee. He's building the thing. So it's probably really good to have a rear engine bias. It is brilliant. Look at that. It is the most controllable, delightful, and you've got four inches of extra suspension travel so LA, speed bumps, ruts. Think about this in Los Angeles, right? So you're going to drive this rally car around LA? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not a race car. It's a street car. Wow. It's a street car. Yeah. And then, you know... That looks like so much fun, driving that in the dirt. Oh my God. We have so much desert here. No one cares. You go out to a mirage. There's trails. Like there's no speed limits. Nobody gives a shit. I got to be honest. There's two videos that made me get really interested in older Porsches. One of them was the Chris Harris build with the the Tuttle and the other one was you driving that project nasty car. Joey Sealy. He's the local as well. Yeah. That car. I was like, oh, that's it. That's it. Just like get it down to the raw dog. Yeah. He took everything out of that car. And Richard Tuttle, who did Chris's car in England, is like the rally master. He's like a... There's a project nasty. Yeah. And there's Joey who built it. And he also... I love the little things he did. Like make the exhaust come through the rear bumper and those funky wheels on it. And the fact there's no carpeting at all. Like everything inside was stripped away. His Instagram is emotion engineering. And that car has been through a few changes since this video was made. It looks a little different now. He changed the wheels, right? Different wheels, different... There's a bunch of different stuff, but it's amazing. And that guy, he used to be a part of this business, BBI Autosport. He left to go start his own business, emotion engineering, and he is a master of chassis setup. Yeah, I believe it. That's a very, very impressive video. It's a very interesting video. And that's not like the highest horsepower vehicle, right? No, it was really light though. It was... How many horsepower did it have? I don't remember. Maybe 375, 380. I mean, it was fast. It was not a slouch at all. But have you seen what Singer is doing now with this air cooled engine? Yeah, it's crazy. Well, you sent me that whole thing of the price difference between a 911 engine, air cooled engine that's got 200 horsepower versus one that's got 500 horsepower. And you're like, wow. Yeah, the exponential curve of Porsche horsepower costs. It's really scary stuff. The highest end was $250,000. Yeah, so it was like, okay, to buy an engine, just an engine on a stand, you want that engine... This is a Porsche air cooled. So a Porsche engine for a Porsche that is earlier than 1995. 95. So 300 horsepower is going to run you about 40 grand. And that's a ton of money for not a lot of horsepower. 400 horsepower will run you about 100 grand. I mean, 100,000... That's an engine on a stand, nothing else. You want 500 horsepower out of that motor, it's $250,000. Just for the engine. Just for the engine. Why is that? Because that sounds so crazy in comparison to other cars out there. There's a lot of techniques that you would use to make horsepower in other cars you cannot apply to a Porsche engine. You're limited on displacement size. So it's not like you could shove like a nine liter V8 in there. Like a 4.2 is about as big displacement as you can get in that case. And that's with like a stroker crank and board out. So you're increasing both the length of pistons move and the size of the hole. To get to the 500 horsepower mark, you have to run some highly experimental cylinder heads. And Singer to do that, I don't know if Chris has been on the show recently, but he's working with Singer to develop. There's a company called Williams that is a Formula One team. They are developing the cylinder heads for Singer. So Chris Harris is a part of this? He's doing development driving for them. Oh, that's great. Which is a good decision. Oh, that's amazing decision. Plus the videos will be epic. Right. So most of they're doing a four valve air cooled head, which as far as I know has never been done before. All your engine, my engine, all the R2 valve engines and they're doing a four valve engine. So it's going to cost a million and a half dollars. Well, the engine is 250 grand. This is why. Yes. Yeah. So crazy. Yeah. Custom cars are a million dollars now, isn't that nuts? I mean, you really want if you really want something next level, it can easily be a million dollars. Jamie, pull up that new Singer 911. Yeah. Singer 911 with the Williams engine. It's green. Yeah. But it's got a lot of that. What is it? Who's the Japanese gentleman who takes those Porsches and stretches them? RWB. Yeah. It's got a lot of that to it. Well, so RWB is really interesting because in Japan there's the Singer. Don't you think that's a goddamn gorgeous car? Yeah. It's an odd choice to artificially... Stop please. Oh, look how sexy that is. To artificially differentiate the way he's got the fender flares. He's making them like he had to glue them on. But the whole car's carbon fiber. Yeah. So if the whole car's carbon fiber, why did they fake like they had extensions on the wheel walls? Okay, so I don't want to disappoint you, but that is a rendering and not a picture of an actual car. Wow. Really? As far as I know, the actual car does not exist. That's so good. And I think if I had to guess, they put those over fender lines on the rendering so you would specifically notice that they have widened it. Oh, that's... That could be. And if I had to guess, the final car may not actually have a seam there. You know what, man? I'm not mad if it does. It looks amazing. Jamie, can you make that bigger again? But that looks so real. That's crazy that that's not a photograph. Does that look like a render to you, Jamie? I am almost certain that's not a real car. I'm almost certain it's not a real car. The tire looks a little... The tire looks fake? I could be wrong. There could be someone screaming at their... whatever right now saying I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure... Look how good that means. Reflections in the windows of a building that's outside. They are good at this now. You played fucking poison the last three years. They're good at this, dude. Play a video game. Listen, I absolutely believe it. I'm not arguing against it. I'm just saying it's so good. Yeah. But anyway, if they make a car like that, holy shit, that's a gorgeous car. Oh, yeah. And they will. And it'll look like that, but it may not have those seams. It's pretty similar to what their car looks like. But wider. It's not much different than the wider. I saw one of those that might have been the best looking car I've ever seen in my life. It was a silver, like a metallic silver, like a bright silver singer. Yeah. And it was online. Understated, glorious. God damn, see if you find that bright silver singer. Have you seen one in person before? Up close? Never. Dude, your mind would be blown. Really? At a minimum, minimum, $45,000 or $50,000 of leather in one of those cars in the interior. The leather work in the interior of those cars is unbelievable beyond anything from any manufacturer today. Really? Oh, yeah. That's it. That's a sexy motherfucker right there. God damn, that's a good looking car. Yep. That's very, very nice. What is it about certain shapes, right? Well, what Singer does is they distill the best of each generation of car into one car. Yeah. And so you're looking at a highly idealized 911, but you can't exactly picture what came from where and why. Yeah. It's gangster. And those fuchs, those wheels, for whatever reason, they just work. Like especially that green car, those, go back to that green car. They made them real big on the green car, but the design works so well. There's the Williams engine. God damn, it looks good. Yeah. But that's perfect. So scroll down, Jamie, the Williams, look at this. So you see, look at the air intakes. That's where your rear windows would be. So there are no rear windows. There are only those air intakes that go directly into the engine. To cool that furnace off. No, not cooling. That's the actual air intake that gets into the combustion chamber. Oh, the air? Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The cooling, it's air cooled. Silver kind of nipple on the right side there. That's the center of the fan. It gets cooled in from the back there. Now, this is basically the same size as a regular inline six. Or a straight flat six. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Roughly, the engine itself is roughly the same size, yeah. So what they've done is just engineer it to the max. Oh, yeah. Well, they have what are, in theory, are the most advanced cylinder heads ever put onto an air cooled 911. That looks incredible. And they're going to stick that in a car that was originally, what, 93, something like that? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, 91 to 94. God. Isn't it funny, though, that there's something unbelievably appealing about those air cooled cars that is willing to have these rich people pay a million dollars, or at least the current singers, a half million dollars for this car, just because you feel it more. Yeah. When you drive it, it's just got a feel to it. There's a certain mechanical brilliance to it that's really, really... It's incomparable, really. It's very unique. Yeah. Well, there's something about those old cars, particularly the ones that don't have power steering. You get a thrill out of them. There's a weird thrill, even when you're not even driving fast. Especially with a Porsche, when you have no power steering combined with front engine car, it sucks. No power steering when the engine's in the back is okay, because the front of the car is pretty light, so you don't need too much muscle. But the 911 steering is just super, super direct. Yeah, it's super direct, and it's just... I don't know, man. It just feels like a different thing you're doing. I had a buddy that had a Volkswagen bug growing up. It didn't have a lot of power in it, but those Volkswagen bugs, those fucking things, like when you drive them around, they give you a little smile on your face. Because you're driving this little tiny thing that feels completely connected with the road. It's not very capable, but it's like you're smiling when you drive one of those. It's like you're in a little ride. The ultimate Volkswagen is they're taking... In Germany, they take the buses, the micro buses, and they chop them down so they're compressed, and they put full Porsche floor pan drivetrain. And so, remember that 996 turbo you had, the all wheel drive? So they'll put that whole floor pan on a micro bus, and they'll go to like track days and beat up on race cars. It's crazy.