Joe Rogan on Kanye West's Crazy Genius

There's a void there, they need a field. Some people addicted to eating. Those are the same addiction essentially, but one is a lot better to have than the other. It's like even with Kanye, I see Kanye as this guy who's just wildly insecure and he's trying to justify his coolness constantly by taking things that are not cool at all and making them cool within a community, within his community. Everything Kanye does, it started with the wasp culture. I'm going to take preppy New England polos that are pink and shit and I'm going to make that cool. Now before the hip hop community, I grew up in New York, we were like, yo, that's some gay shit, bro. What the fuck is that? Now Kanye wears this, like, nah, you got to look fly in these pink waspy things in my khakis, whatever. Then he takes grunge culture, right? If you've seen the rip sweaters and all that kind of shit, that's Seattle Nirvana shit. He's like, yo, I bet I'm so cool I can make it cool. Then he takes dad sneakers. I'm so cool. You think my community loves cool sneakers? I'm going to make dad sneakers cool. What is the most uncool thing to his community? Trump. What does he try to make cool? It's selfish. It's all about him. All he cares is about proving that he's that dude and he takes the most uncool thing and puts it on his head and he's like, yo, I'm going to make MAGA cool. That's when people are like, at least his community was like, nah, we're not going to play with that shit. You know what I think? I think, you know how you have something that's supposed to take like eight volts? You have like a charger. Yeah. It's supposed to take like eight volts. Like when you go to Europe and you plug this shit in? Yeah. Well, when you plug something on the wall, we have alternating current. You could have something that takes way more amperage. I think Kanye has the wrong plug to the universe and in a good way. That motherfucker is getting like a hundred volts all the time. So he wants to deal. You ever talk to him? No. I talked to him on the phone and it was a stream of consciousness that was so intense. I was like, okay, now I get it. We had a long conversation. He's a very nice guy. We had a long conversation for like 15, 20 minutes on the phone, which is a long conversation these days on the phone. Who the fuck talks on the phone anymore? He does. But I think he's getting a hundred volts, bro. I think he's got design going through his head and new song lyrics and new fashion and all this shit. And I think he's just catching whatever he can and hold it onto it and wading through the waves. To fill though. Yeah. But I don't know. But with him, it's almost like affirming that he's okay because he's so much different than everybody else. Like Elon Musk, like a lot of other people. Sure. What's up? When he used the Confederate flag, do you know about his statements on that? He said that. Like he used this in a quote. What does he say? Oh, react how you want any energy is good energy. The Confederate flag represented slavery in a way. That's my abstract take on what I know about it. Right. And he just song new slaves to the Confederate flag and made it my flag. It's my flag now. What are you going to do? Now what are you going to do? Right. It's how can I take my equity and see if I'm so dope. But that's also his recognition that you can take something like the N word and use it as a positive. You could do anything. I mean, look, if if black people really decide, I used to do this bit. Okay, go. This is a bit about, uh, do you remember when the fucking duck dynasty guy was, he was talking a lot of shit about gay people. It was like, I don't understand it. I don't understand. And I was like, look, I don't understand yellow cars. I go, what the fuck is this shit? If you understand it, why are you wasting all your time? You better be nice because I go, if you keep fucking with gay people, they're going to do something and they're going to do something and you're not going to be able to take it back. Like what if gay people decided to take over camo and the bit was like, look what they did to the rainbow. I go, they fucking own the rainbow. I go, you can't wear a rainbow shirt anymore. Everybody's like, bah, he used to be leprechauns and pots of gold. Now it's dudes butt fucking. Bro, all they would have to do is start off every gay porn in a duck blind. There's two dudes, two dudes in camo. Dick dynasty. And you get the gayest black guy in the world. And camo's like something about duck hunting, make me hollany. And some dude just drops in out of nowhere and pulls his camo down, stuck sucking his dick. If they just had all porno in camo, it would turn camo into a gay thing. And if black people just went whole hog on the confederate, look at them, they got camo wallpaper sign. That's like some Annie Leibowitz shit though. That's like some Vanity Fair cover nonsense. That's like some organized shoot. Very meta. They know what they're doing though. These guys are smart. By the way, that's a shit pattern. That's a bad camo pattern. It's all ducks. It's made out of ducks. Maybe it's theirs. It might be their pattern. I bet it is. They're in a swamp. It's like, I don't know. The gay shit is like, it's not the climate for it. No, it could be. Don't you remember Deliverance? Yeah, but it's like... Squeal like a pig? Yes. Yeah, but that was rape. Yeah, it was gay rape though. It was gay rape. It was gay rape. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody said, I gave it to rape. It's not sex. It's about power. Well, then they didn't do it right. They also didn't get raped. Yeah. Someone's going to fuck you. Can you rape? It's definitely about sex. I mean, power's a part of it for sure, but they're just going to fuck you, man. You're getting fucked like, this ain't sex, bro. Just so we're clear. Bro, that guy is fucking you. This is about sex and power. I get it. You're not gay, but it's still sex. People want it, man. That's the thing. I think the Kanye thing, he's just a guy who thinks way different. For whatever reasons, the connections, that's one of the reasons why I think this Kim Kardashian relationship works so well. It's because I bet she just handles normal, regular stuff and he could just be Kanye. You know what I mean? It seems like the people balance. Does he think that different, bro? Yes. How different, bro? Yes. Death different. How? Different. The music is phenomenal. Outside of that... Okay, it's real simple. Have you ever been locked up in a mental institution? No. He has? They don't just lock you up, bro. They never lock me up. My wife never... I never came home. My wife has some fucking two gorillas that are in those lab suits that are staring at me. I'm like, what's with the big guys? Oh, these big guys are going to take you to a nice hospital. Like, sir, we'd like to handle this quietly. What? The fuck? I'm not going to some hospital. I can't. I can't. You don't just go to the mental institute, bro. They fucking... They velcro you. But the mental institution doesn't mean that you're genius. There's a lot of crazy people who are just crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he's definitely crazy. Sure. I'll give you that. But he's brilliant, too. See, the work that comes out of that crazy is genius work, right? So what is it about him that allows him to be so prolific as an artist? You ever notice how prolific he is? Yes. He's constantly... At music. Constantly banging out songs. He doesn't have bad albums. No. He is phenomenal at music. Without a doubt phenomenal at music. But this is all from this energy that's inside of him. He figures out how to channel that energy and put it in good ways. But occasionally, like, it's not all... It's also not a coincidence. It's not a coincidence that when Kanye was on stage, I think it was in San Jose, and he said that he didn't vote, but if he was going to vote, he would have voted for Trump. And the crowd went crazy, and they booed the shit out of him, and then he canceled his tour, and then he went to the Mental Health Institute. All that shit happened together because he felt the pain of this. Then his response to that was to double down. His response to that was to attribute qualities to Trump that he doesn't even really have. And so Trump, in a lot of ways very wise, the way he handles things socially, he let Kanye come into the White House, wear that MAGA hat, and just rant up a storm. So Kanye could define who Trump was. He could define what loving Trump meant. He could define why black people should embrace Trump. He could define all this in his head to sort of justify what went wrong with him. And then Trump just sits there and goes like this and lets him talk, and then he leaves, and Trump goes, what the fuck was that about? And he gets on the phone, calls it bitches, orders a pizza, gets his dick sucked. This shit right here, that's what this is. Now, look at that white lady with her arms crossed in the background. What is happening? I need to make a will. The lady with her hand on the clipboard, like what the fuck am I watching? Look at her face! Look at the blonde chick right there in the center. Look at her face. She's like, okay, what? Her face says, okay, what? And Kanye's like showing Donald Trump his phone. Donald Trump's got his lips pursed. Phone. Amazing. Look at Kushner. Show me some lyrics. Look at a devious smile on Kushner's face right here, dude. Look at that shit! How about that dude? How about the black dude sitting there like, I can't believe I have a black face. I have to listen to him. Look at that dude's face. He's like, what in the fuck do I do when I get fired from here? Because I know it's coming. I know it's coming. I know how to do it in the back with the beard. Look at the brother in the back. He's like, man. Nah, he's fucking up. You got to be fucking shit, me. Ryan Gosling with the boom mic. Oh, look at that guy. Yes, MAGA, all the way. He's like, I can't wait to get on GAB and talk about this amazing meeting of the mod. I appreciate it. Look at his face. Has who? Trump reached out to you? No. I'm friends with his son though, like text friends. Really? Yeah. He's a nice guy. He's a hunter. We know each other through mutual friends and one of our mutual friends who committed suicide. Oh shit. So I was like, you know. But he's a nice guy. I mean, I don't agree with a lot of things that a lot of people that I know agree with. Yeah. I think we're allowed to be reasonable and cordial with each other. Yes. What's the matter? What is this? Jim Brown was also sitting at that. Oh, Jim Brown. Legend. Legend.