Joe Rogan on Ibogaine Therapy for Drug Addiction

It really depends upon how it's used. It can benefit some people with some kind of pain. I don't think it's realistic to say that some people that are in horrible, horrible pain would get the same reaction from marijuana they get for opiates. People with really bad burns, for instance, when they're in a 24-7 agony. Right, but if you become addicted, for not medical reasons, I'm talking about if you're become addicted to, you know, oxies. There's better drugs. There's better drugs that get you off it. There's quite a few that can help you. Probably the most powerful and the most efficient is Ibogaine. Because one Ibogaine trip. Oh, yeah, like Ayahuasca Ibogaine? No, no, no. Ibogaine is not Ayahuasca. Iowaska is a hallucinogenic that is from South America. It's dimethotryptamine. Ibogaine is from the Iboga tree. And it's a... Is that from Breaking Open the Head? There's a book called Breaking Open the Head. I'm sure you covered that. I'm sure you did. Ibogaine is like a ruthless... And it's something I haven't experienced, so I'm just talking out of what I've read. Essentially a ruthlessly introspective 24-hour trip that rewires the way your brain views addiction and has a high level of effectiveness. Interesting. In rehabilitating people, like just killing the desire to do opiates. Huh. Are they doing that in America? Mexico. Oh. They go to Mexico. Can't go to America. It's illegal in America, of course. Yeah. Is it a common type thing or is it a hospital type situation? Hospital type situations. There's my buddy Ed Clay runs a... I think he still does... runs a clinic down in Mexico and he started it because of his experiences with pills. He got hurt, got on pain pills, had a real hard time with them, went to get on Ibogaine to get off the pain pills. It worked like a charm and he was like, holy shit, I need to let people know about this. You can get your life back. Yeah. And it's not something you get addicted to. It's apparently something that you have a really hard time doing it again. Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's rough. You go, okay, that was enough. Yeah. Like DMT. Exactly. It's one of those things where you did it once. Yeah. In college and that was sufficient. You can get a lot out of one. Yeah. I had a plaid, plaid fucking world. Yeah. Flying around. It was full out of body nuts. Oh yeah. It's pretty nuts. Yeah. I think the difference in Ibogaine versus DMT, DMT is ego dissolving and very hallucinogenic and you see these amazing visualizations. Ibogaine seems to not have that, but instead be like deeply like to the cellular level introspective and just, and there's some sort of a physical action that happens in the way your brain, the way your brain looks at addiction changes pretty radically. Do you need to be like coach through it or it just happens? You should probably, I think all those things should be done in places where people are going to feel safe and where people have done it before and where people have experienced with people that have done it before. Having a real center that has real professionals and medical health staff, that's what you want. And the only thing that's keeping that from happening in America and keeping millions and millions of people from getting off pills is drug companies. Drug companies lobbying to keep all these very helpful things illegal. And we're slowly but surely going to work them out and the way we're going to work them out is through money. That's why I like the fact that marijuana has a 30% tax. Make it 50. I don't give a fuck. What's a joint? How much is a joint? I mean, it's... A joint can get you high all day.