Joe Rogan - Censorship, Alex Jones, and Conspiracies Fight Companion

I'm a fan of that what I'm not a fan of this and what I have a question about is is there some buddy in Charge of what's what's permissible and what's not according to a certain code of conduct and do they have a political agenda? So in other words So if I put out something that has profanity or maybe a stand-up clip where I want to get people in it It's a clip that is offensive to said person Yeah, they can go no fly who's stopping them from doing that But but see with the with the dudes with their shirts off flex and shit when they're trying to get clients That's fine. We're in they can promote reach other people outside their followers is what should be Yeah, if you have hundred thousand followers, it should reach all hundred thousand. Yeah, I see what you're saying. That's what's crazy to me Yeah, they're gonna lose everybody. There's gonna be a new Instagram if they start doing that shit and it gets out of hand people Just leave. Well, there's you know, what shadow banning is right? No, there's a concept of shadow banning And I don't know if this is Jamie would be able to speak to this better than me Has that ever been proved that they actually do shadow ban people? What's that or is that it's they? Used is that if you say we're on Twitter and maybe you were conservative and you said a lot of rude things about liberals that maybe they would decide that although it doesn't violate the terms of service what you do is Makes them uncomfortable. They make a moral judgment and they decide to limit your engagement Yeah, this is somehow possible But is that like a hater it's up when what you're saying with the paying of Post to it happens similarly there to if you were at an account that never paid Yeah, and once you pay once you give them five bucks, you're you're like flagged now as an account that will pay Twitter it's it's Twitter. You know across the board. Yeah, you can pay on Twitter. How do you pay on Twitter? Do you pay on Twitter? You don't have to but you know You can pay yeah promoted tweets. It's a promote The top trending topic for the last year or two is on a paid it says paid or promoted really Yeah, you just have to go into it because they get money now That's how the well who's been banned from Twitter a lot of people man really your boy From Twitter he had to ban more conservatives or conservatives But liberals and then to this do liberals that have put out death threats they've been banned but in general General, yeah, there should be Lopsiders, I don't know that's a good question. We should find out. What is the what is the some should be banned? I'm betting banned. That's a good question, too Is it to incite violence or is it the violate their terms of service and definitely if you incite violence, that's definitely a no-no racial slurs or a no-no You can call someone a fuckhead but you can't call him like a Guinea fuckhead There's like there's certain things you can say and certain certain things you can't say but it's a lot of it's objective Yeah, but then someone it's pretty black and white like for like man I want to go if so much a blow up that fucking school. Yeah, of course, of course or the racist stuff Yeah, yes all of that. I think you got to regulate the hate too. It's just bullying and shit like that. Yeah, I mean spannum. Well, it's like Here's the question and this is who gets to decide who what's hateful What's not and the problem is they keep pushing it further and further and further and then even just insults are hateful Even even like this guy is a dumbass. Yeah, if that's hateful saying someone's a dumbass is hateful I mean you they're gonna There's only so far you can you could keep going down that road Right. You want to make sure that you have free expression and you don't get free expression If you ban people from saying things that just don't seem that bad to me Well, Alex Jones you think his banning was like to see what he said Sandy Hook stuff The Sandy but see but here's the thing getting sued for that anyway. Here's the thing Yeah, he was already getting sued for that. Like what did he say that got him? I think something happened that he did had nothing to do with even what he said He confronted them at some event right and he was yelling in the back and yeah That happened after he confronted people in Congress He's got a Alex Jones has a regular on a former CIA Officer dr. Steve Pachanic. He has him on like once every six months That's where he got the Sandy Hook information was from him that dude is on video CIA guy know about Sandy Hook The fuck would he know that's a dumbest fucking thing that Alex Jones has ever done. It's also a moral and Fuck Steve, whatever if he said it didn't fuck him to you. Yeah, you have to always wonder and you would you I mean I'm not making any accusations, but you'd have to always wonder when you hear a story like that Why would someone say something so ridiculous and why would someone try to convince someone like Alex Jones of something so ridiculous? And I think there'd be two reasons one to discredit Jones if you could talk him into Repeating what you said if you think he's willing to do that That's interesting you can easily discredit him and it would be a really good way to do it like the best way to do it That's what I'm saying whether he's right or wrong, but whether he's right or wrong Doctor Steve Pachanic said it several times on a show so but he's not Alex for Alex to believe him. No, it's not like this crazy. He's hearing it from a guy who is in the CIA like this It's not that crazy for him to believe in a guy from you know He may or may not be right, but it started with Alex actually saying He said unfortunately he goes something to the effect of I saw it It was very sad and then but unfortunately I've seen a lot of soap operas I've seen a lot of and and and I know an actor when I see one and that's where it started with Say it that way. Yes, and he's being you know, he's being sued by Connecticut But remember knows an actor did he was me in court and they said what the fuck basically What the fuck you're doing goes listen, I say a lot of things just for for entertainment Of course, like it's just for what during is that is trial with his wife? Yeah But he did admit he's like I don't believe it a lot of it. I just say he's got a business Yeah, well the thing about all a lot of nutrition people a lot of these people is you make money You make money in this in this business in whether whatever it is whether it's being a political pundit with an entertainment Exercise guy you make money having answers if you're somebody who's more scientific and says I don't know it depends maybe You're not gonna make money when you say bone broth cures cancer. You're gonna sell books when you say My plant-based diet is proven to do blah blah blah this whatever you're gonna make money if you say I'm gonna I'll help you lose weight and keep it off in four months. Take my money either You're not gonna say hey, I'm a nutritionist guy. It's gonna take you two years We're gonna try to change life. You're gonna have bounce backs. You're gonna have plateaus and being realistic Yeah, nobody's gonna buy that shit. You see dong guy has movement man so but with With Alex Jones of is he banned for life or I don't know business. I don't know. Well, I mean he still has his website He's got a big lawsuit He's got a worry about but he's showing they got rid of his show happen all the flowers and shit No, the only thing that happened is they pulled him off of YouTube and they pulled him off of Twitter And then I Facebook tonight to then I and he's got a major lawsuit with a law firm that doesn't compromise Well, there's there's two guys. There's two guys that are being sued over that Alex Jones and a guy named Wolfgang Helbig great. He's also he's also being sued that guy His job was to prepare schools for School shootings so he came out and he started saying that too. So he's he's breaking apart He he started saying that's it. Yeah, he's getting he's getting sued along with Alex Jones Well, but they didn't show up for when he went to court. They never showed up. So they dropped the case What about one thing about the law law? It's kind of weird. No, they're there. They have Why would Sandy Hook be fake let's not talk about this stuff. Oh, I don't know I find it fascinating Well, like why in the world would it be fake though? Be I know you get right up like what's the conspiracy? Zero zero thoughts that is fake but I do have thoughts on why someone would try to get other people to say it's fake and this if there's Any if there's anything that's ever gonna convince you that conspiracy theories are stupid It's making up a fake conspiracy An easily provable fake conspiracy about a real tragedy That's a nice simple psychological way to discredit people if I thought you were a dumbass, but you had a big voice I might talk you into saying some shit about something that's not real and have you convinced it's real So you spouted out you look a moron right and that discredits everything else you said that's right And you have to be really careful with a lot of these stories There's a lot of these these conspiracy theories that literally start out a joke They start out in 4chan and a lot of these chat rooms as trolls and then before you know it it becomes a real thing This is that over and over and so it's set over and over again and then morons get a hold of it True the right like he's a smart we can all agree. He's a I don't agree. What do you mean? You don't think he's I don't know to do what he's doing listen. I don't Know you would not say he's a dumb person. I don't know I don't I can't speak pretty articulate. Yeah, he's not stupid I'm very very sad that he said that sandy hook isn't real me too But I always enjoy being around that guy you would say he's our take it smart guy right? I see he's a fun guy, too Yeah, so I'm just saying for him to it's not like you can just honey dick him back dude sandy hook like it would have to be Something he loves conspiracies man You know he really does and this is the problem with someone who likes hunts out conspiracies You're gonna love them. You're gonna. You're gonna look for them You want to be a numerology numerology in the Bible you can find any pattern This is the problem is when you have a vested interest in them being real What is your business because there are a lot of them that are real so the problem is? If you have a vested interest in them being real and you exclude information that would point to them not being real and you use Confirmation bias and you fuck and then you try to convince other people that you're correct This is something that people will fall into a conspiracy there's an Eddie I'd love to hear you on you super quiet about all this But if you're a conspiracy theory which ones have been proven correct oh that many right there's plenty Sure, I'm saying like absolutely there's big ones like Enron. You know there's big ones There's big ones you know there's a many documentaries and books have been written on the the Enron Conspiracy these guys got together and they figured out how to make a cajillion dollars and fuck people over and it was it was It was breaking the law, and they knew it was breaking law they conspired to do it and buy homes I'm so you can take take them There's wise people to think the 2008 Highs housing crisis that that was that that was all on purpose that these guys built this bubble up and say proven though It's not proven. It's not proven The bubble housing bubble was there been great books written on the bottom of Michael Lewis's book the big shorts a good book on it Good move. Oh, yeah, but you know there's been a lot of research on that too many bank Eddie is there any proven one you still buy it all it all depends Brennan to sponcing no no no no no no no shit it all depends on how much circumstantial evidence Makes you throw up some red flags like some people They just don't see the red flags and some people their red flags go up right away So it all depends like when you say is there any proof well You don't need I Mean it at us at a certain point When you have circumstantial evidence at a certain point it adds up You know you know if if one piece of case pretty suspect JFK suspect as fuck Yeah, it's like there's no there's no JFK is a perfect example right? There's no actual proof of the conspiracy that there was a you know multiple shooters or or the CIA in the mob There's no actual proof, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence It all depends on how much circumstantial evidence Do you need for any particular conspiracy theory where you go? Oh shit? There's enough circumstantial evidence like if there was a murder right and you were being accused and only one person said you know I saw Brendan like four blocks away from the restaurant where his friend was killed if just that one person saw that's one piece of Circumstantial evidence that's not enough to convict you But if a hundred people said they saw you two blocks away in the parking lot none of it alone None of it standing alone will put you in jail, but at a certain point Enough circumstantial evidence will put dudes in jail or if enough people tell the same story about you like with Cosby Yeah, it was the same story over and over It's like not all these women can't be they're all telling the exact same story about the same I know you guys into well not only that Cosby had gone to court and had a lawsuit sealed and paid a woman off That's right. You'd already been So that yeah So this was a part of the whole thing was that he had to come out and you know that they had to defend that In his most recent trial Bill Clinton to I just got done like the watching those Monica Lewinsky tapes Yeah, Bill Clinton was a freak. Oh, yeah, dude You know the other problem with like being but like it's something like Alex Jones who makes a lot of money office conspiracies and things is that if once he says something I know a pretty good friend of his Alex and What the problem is once you say something and you have that big of a following, right? So let's just say you float out of conspiracy, but then you look at evidence you start to realize Maybe I overstepped my balance. We all say things we wish we hadn't or we all say things But now you've got a whole movement behind what you said now to try to pull back would turn That 25% of the whoever it is against you and that can be a liability too So one of the things about being a public figure is you can say something and if you're selling product and selling your show Oh, you better be all in you better stay all in yeah So you become a prisoner to your own kind of first impulse or your own first sort of like no matter how Well, it's especially if he's also an entertainer. It's also this rush to say you know something when you don't know it Yeah, I do it There's a rush to say there's a rush to say we we absolutely know this happened We absolutely know that happened because it's from somewhere right a man. This is Alex is getting it from somewhere He has his sources sure get what getting money got multiple Information on these on these you know these tragic events or something like that or you don't think so be I just looking at you Brendan listen, I think he has some people to control maker. No, I'm not Eddie he's floating the fucking huge worm out there I say we're gonna Come on this show and try not to talk about conspiracy theories, but I always get sucked back into it I always get sucked back to He's full network not but look look he's there legit questions. I don't know you're asking super crazy legit questions