Joe Rogan - Can Louis CK Comeback?

About this, some people don't want him to come back. Some people think they should he should be allowed to come back and he served time off and and then the argument by a lot of women is, yeah, but he hasn't said anything like he had one done anything. Yeah. What is what, you know, what shows that he's learned anything like what? What should you have to do? I don't know. I mean, Louis is very smart. I'm sure he'll if he wants to keep doing it after this reception, he'll probably come out with some statement or do something. I don't know. But the reality is, uh, what did he lose? They took away networks, took away his stuff. Just film distributors weren't going to put out his film. Well, the film, but as a comedian from by all accounts, the film was shit. Anybody who's seen the film, I haven't seen it. Yeah. I have a few friends that saw it. They're like, it's just so creepy and weird, especially in light of what he was doing. Yeah. It's just like, no, but regardless, whether it was good or not, I'm just saying, like, right. The industry said, FX said, I'm taking this show from you. HBO said we're taking this stuff. Netflix said we're taking this off. Well, he's definitely definitely lost money financially. But those and those are entities that. But is that punishment or is that them exercising their desire to not work with someone who's been accused of something that they don't want to be associated with? Yeah. Is that a punishment? I don't know. That seems to me that they're they're making a decision of who they work with and who they not work with. Right. It affects him negatively. Sure. But it's not necessarily a punishment. Well, there's it. I don't know. I think it would feel like a punishment. Sure. But my point is there's these entities that can prevent him from making a living. As a comedian, though, he can walk into a garage and if he has fans, they're going to come see him. Right. He has he has that under his control. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Nobody can stop that. Nobody. So he can do it. It's up to him whether he wants to or not. It's up to his fans, whether they show up or not. And it's up to the people that hate what he did and really against him to not go. Right. That's well, that's why this thing was weird. But he just showed up at the cellar, which is like his favorite place to go. And he just worked out material. And the audience, like Kyle is saying, is just they're trapped in there and they can't get out. They didn't have an option to say, I don't want to see him. It's really interesting. All the different spins, though, all the different women's spins, you know, and one one really bizarre spin that I saw was this one was saying that this is indicative of the problem of all comedy clubs and aggressive male audience and women sitting there feeling threatened, not being able to use their voice. I'm like, use their voice. Like, what are you going to heckle? Like you're saying like you like you would be more empowered if there were more women so you could heckle. Yeah. Is that's not cool. Like, you're not supposed to do that at a comedy club. If you don't like someone, just don't laugh. You know, but like, I mean, this one, here's the thing. It's not your job or it's not your place to say that you don't like someone when the other people do like it. You know, if you're right, if you can get up and walk out. Yeah, just like you're going to see a movie. Yeah. Like you're an audience member. Right. The deal is you're not there to perform. The audience is there to just sit there and laugh or not laugh. Right. But don't be rude to the other people that are enjoying it. So as soon as you write your sensibilities above the rest of the audience, well, you're a problem. You've made if you decide like, hey, I didn't like this. I'm going to go home and write about it. That's totally your product. That's fine. Get up and walk out. That's fine. Go somewhere else and talk about it on stage yourself. Yeah. Nothing wrong with any of those things. Yeah. But this this one woman's take was like women don't feel like they have a they can they have the ability to speak out about it. I'm like, speak out. Like, so you're saying like to heckle, hey, I don't want you on stage. I know everything about you and your story. And it's up to me. You to perform in front of me. Even those other people are laughing. Right. And that these aggressive men were yelling, good to see you back, Louis. Aggressive men like, well, OK, that's like there's a framing of this. And this is one of it's becomes this male versus female framing that sort of represents aggressive men, sexual men doing things to women they don't want. The women are sitting there in silence. They don't want to be there and they don't have a voice because they feel overwhelmed and overpopulated or outnumbered. Well, the problem is those guys that that Harvey and him and Matt Lower and people like that, they are the poster boys for that. So they're going to be watched very closely. And how does Matt Lower fit into that? I get confused by this one. By all accounts, Matt Lower had affairs right in the office with girls who worked with them. So what was inappropriate is he was having sex with his staff. Right. Right. But he was also hitting on people that didn't want to be hit on wasn't in his office. Yeah, that was the accusations. Yeah, it wasn't just he was dating them. He was also, you know, making it making weird advancements in the office. Yeah. OK. That is what I mean. All these guys, all these guys, you know, they're all very complicated. They're all very fuzzy kind of things. But, you know, those guys are going to be watched very closely. As you see, Louis just goes to this little club and does a set and it's national news and national debate. It's like it's it's it's heady stuff. It's heavy stuff. Yeah. But what's fascinating is that as a culture, we're going through this great time of change. Yeah. And this great time of introspective thinking and of observing our behavior and discussing our behavior and watching this. Like you have the worst case examples of which my in my opinion is Cosby. The worst case example, like drugging people. And yeah, I mean, there's there's a woman who was on television on CNN. She said something that freaked me out once. She said it is entirely possible that Bill Cosby is the the most prolific serial rapist in history. Jeez. And I think statement. I heard that and I went, maybe she's right. Maybe she's right. Like how many how many people does a regular rapist rape before they get caught? Yeah. You know, and just I mean, that's the number that came out against them. I'm sure there's other people that had. Yeah. Yeah, that's creepy. That's like the far end of the spectrum. Right. And then on the other end of the spectrum, you got like Louis. Mm hmm. Who's did something was definitely you wouldn't want to happen to your wife. No, your kids or your kids. Mm hmm. But your friends, I don't know the whole story. You know, Kurt Kurt Metzger was telling me that one of the girls who came out against him, like they had been flirting like the whole weekend and talking about sex like the whole weekend. And then he did that. And then he had sent the girl a text saying, I'm really sorry that I did that. And she said, don't worry about it. Look, we were talking about sex all weekend. And then when the accusations came out, obviously, there's more accusations that seem to be more egregious. She threw her hat into the mix as well. Right. I don't know if that's true or not, though. The problem with a lot of these stories is you're hearing them third, fourth, fifth hand. Yeah. You don't. You know, all you know is he said those stories are true and that he recognized that he did something wrong and he was going to take time off. So that to me is not a guy defending himself. That's a guy saying, yeah, I definitely fucked up. I'm going to step back. So he steps back for nine months or whatever it was. And people are saying, that's not long enough. You didn't do anything. Like you got to. So what what should someone do? Like in one of the things that Michael Ian Black said on Twitter before they tore his dick off and stuffed it in his nose. It's like that was a crazy thing to watch because he's like super progressive. Very liberal. Yeah. And he was saying that, you know, like that Me Too has to offer men a road to redemption. And, you know, and a lot of these women were saying, no, like every road to redemption begins with I'm sorry, which is a very valid point. Yeah. Very valid point. Like you should you should have to say, I'm sorry. You know, and I think he's said I'm sorry, but I don't know what he said to the women. I don't know what he said. I don't mean he had the one public statement. Did he say I'm sorry in that one public statement? In that Times article is kind of like a veiled I'm sorry, I think. I don't know. It's I don't know. You know, I hesitate to comment on any of it because it's like his mess. And like anyone that comments on it or comes near it or like the owner of the comedy seller, everyone's got to deal with. Yeah. The after the the aftermath of what this guy did. It's like, why am I, you know, like as the owner of the seller, it's like, why is he brought into Louie's behavior? I saw at least a half a dozen articles written about what a piece of shit Michael Che was for saying that he Louie deserves the opportunity to make a living. Right. Right. And they were going after Michael Che and his in his useless opinion like, yeah. Well, yeah. You know, but look, it's there. They're allowed their opinion that Michael Che's opinions useless. I mean, this is one of the beautiful things about free expression. No, completely. That's what that's what I'm. That's where it's kind of the most interesting for me. And I don't mean that I take pleasure in any of this because it's horrible for everyone involved. But it's interesting, like I said, like there's companies that probably won't go back into business with him. Right. But as a comedian, you know, he could put a show up in the park. He could put a show up anywhere he wants. It's really up to him and people can protest it. They can not show up. They could buy tickets by the thousands. It's going to be interesting to see when he takes that part of his earning and that part of his life in his own hands. You really can't stop him. Yeah. In that way, it's like it's how you frame it. I don't think I don't think Louis is a bad guy at all. I think what Louis is is a pervert. And I think he's, you know, he's into I think part of it is like being naughty and doing something that's forbidden and, you know, and getting away with it and having these girls like him for being a comedian and then doing that to them. I mean, this is my speculation. There's a lot of weirdness to it. But I don't think that he's like an angry person and I don't think he's trying to be hurtful. I don't think any of that was. I think it's just terrible judgment. Everything I mean, you could say a lot about it that's fucked up, but it's like what it is is not he's not like he's not trying to hurt people. I think he's just fucking weird. Yeah. You know, I mean, let's like think about what it is. He's asking, can I jerk off in front of you? Like it's the whole I mean, it's like, yeah, when it comes to that kind of creepy shit is like the most considerate way to approach it. Can I jerk off in front of you? I mean, he's like literally asking adorable. It's so fucked up. I mean, it is a mess. I'm not diminishing the effect that it would have on a woman who respects him. Yeah. You know, she just thinks he's our friend. And next thing you know, he's got a dick out like I get it. Yeah, I'm not. That's not what I'm saying. It's a weird thing because you don't want you. Those women were obviously very hurt. And there's degrees of like, oh, they texted this or they said that. To go out and do that to somebody in a powerful position and come out and say it and know that you're going to get hate from the world. They were in a place that they were hurt enough that they felt that they had to say something and do something. Sure. And you just want like on this personal level, you want them to be OK. Right. You want everybody to be OK. You want them to be OK and feel like they had justice and for coming out, being brave enough to come out and say something. Well, you also want to protect people from that happening again. Yeah, right. Right. The only way one of the only ways is like you got to kind of. You know, this and there was there was there's definitely a feeling, you know, the comedy world is like separate and we kind of like, you know, it's a crazy environment and nightclub kind of a thing. And what you heard when these once these women came out was, no, this is kind of inappropriate that girls, women can can't come into a club and just feel OK. Like they have to feel all this stuff and guys hitting on them all the time. Like it kind of made you look at the scene and be like, all right, maybe this scene could be cleaned up a little bit as well. Well, it's like what I was saying about really a worse version of working out at a gay gym. It's like if you go to a gay gym and you see men leer at you, right? Get that feeling that these guys want to have sex with you and you definitely don't want to have sex with them. Yeah, that is how women feel all the time. Yeah. And you and you're coming to the comedy store or wherever and you're trying to just start out as a comic and try. That's such a big thing already. And then you throw a whole other layer on it that everyone's hitting on you from the doorman to the headliner. That's got to be a big thing. And it's like so I think that those women should feel good that it it definitely they should make an impact. They should know that they've been heard. And that they they they shined a light on something that even people that were in it, men that were in it were unaware of. Yeah, they were definitely heard. It's it's very difficult for people to consider really objectively consider other people's perspectives. Like really. Yeah. People consider it in a convenient way. Like, you know, like they know what they can get away with. But they do. They really consider how the other person feels and thinks. Yeah. And you know, and that's on both sides. It's hard. There's inconsiderate women. There's inconsiderate men. And then, you know, we both do it to each other. And then people develop bad traits and bad associations with the opposite sex. And it's a very common thing that people do. But I think situations where the discussion is so emotionally charged like this. Mm hmm. It's good for us. It's good for us. Yeah. It allows this this public discourse. It allows this public discussion of it. Yeah. And and there hasn't been like, you know, people that have gotten hurt by that have come out and said it like in our scene where they're like nice people and they've been attacked. It was very few. Yeah. But it was like, hey, there's some big important people in this scene and they're acting inappropriately. And then, you know, you're right. I think it's good. It's definitely woke it up and moved it further. Right. I have a funny daughter. I know you have a funny daughter. Who knows if they see our life and want to go pursue it, you want them to be able to go to a club and not have to deal with a whole nother. Right. It's enough when you're starting out to get five minutes of good material and to get the audience to like you and get the respect of your peers. Then you got to have worry about someone following you in the in the parking lot. I have a friend of mine who's a comic and she got hit on by this other guy who's a comic who shall remain nameless. And she showed me some of the texts that he sent her. And I was like, holy shit. Right. And one of them was like, I'm the only one that can make you come or something fucking crazy. Oh, God. What? Oh, geez. What? Yeah, it's a. Okay, bro. Yeah. But those, you know, like, so so then it comes down to, OK, so these women were heard. Obviously, it's created a movement, you know. But then it becomes on the other side, it becomes about. But did this man's was he punished enough? Well, and are and do we have control over whether or not he's allowed to come back as an audience? Like for a woman, like the thing about a guy being angry with you that carries that threat of physical danger. You know, that's a different thing. I know I was thinking I was on a hike the other day and I was thinking about that fine line at the end of the night in a bar, those meathead guys were trying to like hit on girls. And when it doesn't work, they decide they're just going to fight instead. And lesbian. No, that they're going to fight guys. Right. Like that's that's a fine line between, you know what I mean? They're both almost violent acts. It's like aggressively hitting on women to be like, it's not going to happen. Well, screw it. I don't like the way that guy's been looking at me. It's just frustration. But you know, it's. But but. For looking at a male doing that, like it is an aggressive. This is an aggressive animal here. And one man that he could have been I could have said yes and brought him home with me. Well, he said no. And now he's punching that guy in the parking lot. How often does that happen, though? I don't know. Really a common narrative. Yeah, whenever you don't get laid, they try to hit on girls and they just beat the shit out of each other. Yeah, it seems like it happens all this fucking sex. It seems like it happens all the time. All this sex in my body. I need to be down. You know, when you're walking down the even in the village, you're walking down the street and there's just like an angry frat group of guys just like like raging drunk. You know, they were trying to get laid minutes earlier. Yeah, male angst. My point. My point being that there's men are formidable. They're dangerous, gross creatures. Yeah. And they're big and they're hairy. And that's why the seven billion people, because men are gross. They shoot loads in each other. Everybody's shooting loads in the people. Especially at your weightlifting gym. I had a friend. I had a gay friend in New York. And what was the name of that gym there? David Barton or something like that. David Barton? It's like some kind of health club in New York. OK. And it was it was it was mostly gay men. And my my friend said he said, no, you don't understand. I mean, it's to the point where when you're working out on a machine, there are pin lights that come right down on your bicep. Like the lighting is made to make you look sexier while you're working out. He said it was the greatest gym of all time. They have like specific kind of lighting to. Like if I was a musculature. Yeah. Like if I was on a curling machine right now, there'd be a light that came from the ceiling that hits where your bicep to make the shadows. Make the yeah, it's the peaks look bigger. Yeah. Yeah. So it's about sex. Yeah. You're working out. Well, if you go to a regular gym, you see people hitting on each other all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Is that it? David Barton, Jim. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that looks like Chelsea. Does that look sexy? Yeah, look at that dumbbells. Oh, those dumbbells. It's sexy. What is that? It looks like a bar. What is that? Oh, those are machines. Those are cardio machines. Yeah. Yeah. How weird sex is a weird thing. It is for sure.