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David Wallace-Wells is Deputy editor and climate columnist for New York magazine. His book "The Uninhabitable Earth: Life After Warming" is available now.
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Want like these are people who see themselves as gods who want to be world historical figures? They're there are literally do that who do you think is doing that? Well like like Jeff? I was just you think he thinks himself as a god. Yeah, really? Yeah, really You don't know I read those text messages. He said that chick I don't think a god would say that but you know God would say you should be lucky to get this dick All the space exploration stuff though. It's like you know all that like people are obsessed with the life extension extension Don't you think that that's just a side effect of having 150 billion dollars, but you could do so much good with that Yes, so Bezos is pouring a billion dollars a year into his into his space exploration Project which is like I mean I'm excited by space too I think it'd be cool to go up there But there's some pressing problems here which we could really benefit you know that money could really benefit and I agree But long term I think the philosophy is that we're gonna have to get off this planet If the human race is going to succeed but I as of not just the threat of global warming but of astral impacts Yeah, many of its factors. It's an asteroid thing. I think I mean for me novas. Yeah, there's a lot of factors Mark on the particular question of climate There's just no way that the earth is gonna get as inhospitable as Mars is So the idea of building a colony there as a hedge against global warming. It's just crazy We could it is ridiculous, but I'm a good on the positive note if we could fix that shit hole Yeah, like imagine what we could do here. Yeah paradise Yeah, well the idea is terraforming right that they're gonna go there with some kind of massive machine It's gonna create oxygen in the environment and yeah Well, it's a good place to practice because no one lives there So you could do all kinds of goofy shit and go well good news and bad news The good news is we figured out a way to terraform the bad news is we already fucked up Mars So we're gonna try another spot. We're gonna go to you know, we're gonna move on Uranus. Yeah Well, you know Venus used to be actually quite earth-like. Yeah, they went through a really rapid global warming Yeah that made it now. It's like a total hellhole, right and that's like the sort of worst case Worst case for earth is the Venus scenario. Well, ultimately the Sun's gonna burn out, right? Like yeah, but that's many millions of years sure, but if we really do look into the future Something something has to be done, you know, I mean this is the The grandest of grand scales the the concept of some sort of interstellar arcs I mean, I believe that I'm and I'm with it I just think the time scale of the threat that we're that we need to avert by space exploration That's a time scale of millennia. Yes We have a lot of new technology develop over the next thousand years that will allow us to do it better and more efficiently But climate change the time scale is like the next 30 years, right? So we need to focus on it now to give ourselves the opportunity to do the other shit Why do you think it's sexier to go to space? Is that what it is? Like rockets and I mean I think for these dudes. Yeah. Yeah, it's a big metal dick. Yeah, not from the atmosphere That's what we're doing. I'm trying to fuck space. I actually made that argument about Mars. Yeah, it's like they're shaped like dicks. Yeah Something to that. Yeah Well, also this generation of people really grew up in the in the age of like the the space race Yeah, I mean it's um and the aftermath of landing on the moon and I think there is like Peter Thiel talks about this There's this kind of unfulfilled sense of future that we all like anybody who grew up in the post-war years in the 67 They were like You know, whatever his famous line where promised flying cars and all we got was 140 characters or whatever I think that applies to the space exploration stuff It's like well the government is no longer doing the really ambitious shit, right? But we can do it privately on the other hand there is a government in the world that is doing that shit in China They just landed on the far side of the moon. They're doing really aggressive space exploration And I haven't been there in 20 years, but the people I know who live there say There is so much faith in the future there They just believe in a very inherent deep-down way that like the future will be better and sci-fi e in an exciting way And that's so far and from the way that Americans think about the future Is that part of the benefit of having a dictator run things? I think it's just like they're on a huge upswing, right? It's also like there's no debate about how things get done. Yeah. Yeah, totally I mean, that's what I was saying before it's like it gives you some hope for climate if like Xi Jinping is just like Okay, immediately no more coal. Mm-hmm. They'll all stop. Yeah, but he's also throwing 2 million Muslims in concentration camps, right? Yeah, um this Bezos thing I mean, I'm not criticizing you because I think it's a very common thought but why is it that we look at these super rich billion? Billionaire characters that are on the top of the heap. Why do we think of them as like having these tremendous egos and looking like gods? Isn't it sort of just just how you're always gonna look at someone who lives in a hundred million dollar house and it's possible I think when you look at I mean not to get to like armchair Psychologizing about basis, but when you look at the physical transformation that he's put himself through when you think about like the life extension What has he done physically? He's just like I mean if you look at photos of him when he's like a young man He's you know, just kind of like dewee be right and now he's like An action hero. Is he really? Yeah, I mean maybe not like you but He's like he's yeah, he's pretty is Bay those jacked. Am I missing something? Let me show you definitely looks different Go pull up pull up some images of Jeff Bezos jacked. I didn't know But he's got a trainer. I mean, no, I'm not blaming him, but that's only one part of it I would say bigger than that is, you know, the the I just how thin-skinned the world's okay. Let me say zoom in Yes, I guess he's got some arms. Yeah There is oh, wow. That's a big difference Yeah, but he's also got a vest on I guess his arms do look pretty big Yeah, I mean I'm not I'm not in most ways. I'm not a business hater. I think Amazon has been actually really pretty great Yeah, I like will listen to the guy talk and I loved his letter to the National Enquirer there he is right there Yeah, so he looks fit. Yeah in front of the King Kong rampage movie. Yeah, that him. Yeah. Yeah, he looks pretty good Okay, I guess physical transformation but that's yeah But life extension like uploading your brain to the computer so many is he into that shit I he is actually I think not as into it to some other people