Former CIA Agent Mike Baker Responds to Pentagon UFO Reports

What do you think of all this Pentagon UFO, we've recovered crafts, not of this world talk? Okay, yeah, I think two things, I think, again, can always be true at the same time. I don't think we're the only intelligent life out there. I mean, I'm classifying us as intelligent, but I also don't think we're hiding some alien spacecraft somewhere. So why do you think the Pentagon would come out and say something like that? Well, I think, look, we did a, here comes a pitch for my show, for Blackfowls to classify. What show is this? That's Blackfowls to classify. Blackfowls Declassified, and how could one watch this show? My God, that was a good first season, wasn't it? It was on Discovery, on Science Channel. Ah, I love Discovery. I love the Science Channel. We did an episode on Advanced Aeronautic Threat Identification Program, ATIP, which was the Pentagon's admitted, came out and said, yes, we have a program that we ran a program, it's no longer in existence, called ATIP, which was designed to identify unidentified aviation threats, basically. So it's not talking about UFOs necessarily, it could be a hostile prototype aircraft. What is that? I talked to Commander Fraver. There you go, David Fraver. David was in here, and he explained his incident off of the coast of San Diego. And he said they tracked this thing, it dropped from 60,000 feet to one foot above the sea in a second. It wasn't just him seeing this, right? No, no. There was radar operators on board, and his wingmen. Exactly. Yeah, so, but I think- They said it was tracking them, and then it actually actively blocked their tracking. And then no visible means of propulsion. Exactly. No heat signal. Yeah, I mean, so I think it's, look, and he's a very credible- He's as credible as I get. Yeah, right. And so- I mean, not the only one. Yeah, not everything, I mean, but- What do you think of that? Yeah, well, I think, yeah, I think we don't, here's what I think, I think we haven't resolved that issue. We don't know. There was no final report that gave some sort of conclusive evidence that said this is what this object was. It is considered still to this day to be an anomaly, perhaps, of, you know, they don't, just no clarification, which is interesting and all by itself. And again, kind of goes back to this, look, are we the only intelligent people? No. Do I think that the government is capable all these years of holding a secret like that? No, I really don't. I think there's much like with MKUltra or anything else they get, eventually shit hits the fan, stuff comes out. And I don't think the, I'm not one of those, and I say this, and I'm sure a lot of people disagree, but I just don't think that the government's capable of keeping secrets for the long term. Certainly not at this magnitude. I think there are certainly things that have happened that we can't explain. What do you think that is? And one of them would be the sighting by Fraver. Yeah. Yeah. So, but materials, you know, materials that aren't, you know, from Earth, look, shit hits the Earth from space all the time. And that qualifies as a material that is not found. That's not what they said, though. Right. They said they've recovered crafts, not from this world. Yeah, I'd like to, I would want to sit down with the individuals saying that and say, okay, clarify this, please. I'd want to take them to one of them brothels. Yeah, exactly. Oh, absolutely. I sit there with Martini behind that mirror. Okay. Hey, man, tell me what you really saw. There you go. Bring one of those hookers in from the 60s. No, no, no, no, no. Don't do that to her or him. No. I would want to know, though, what is actually happening and why would they come out with a statement like that? Well, I'm going to tell you something. It's between you and me. Is second season of Black files declassified? We're going to be looking at that. Why do you think? I don't know what the, that's the big question is why would they say that? Right. And I don't have an answer for that. I don't know. And that's why I say it. It's a shocker. It definitely bears further investigation. That goes without saying. If there was a thing that was coming, they would want to prepare people. And I think if you wanted to prepare people, the best way to prepare people is to slowly give them signs that some shit is about to go down. And one of the best ways to say we have found things that are not of this world. Okay. Think about that for a little while. We'll see in a few months. A few months of accepting that without any, see there's no, there's no event, right? It's just a statement. What was the exact wording? Can we bring that up? Yeah. The exact wording of. Here it is. Yeah. Crashes, Harry Reid said he believed crashes of vehicles from other worlds had occurred and that retrieved materials had been studied secretly for decades. Yeah. Now, you know, Bob Lazar. Do you know the story of Bob Lazar? Bob Lazar was in here and he, he said some things that were ridiculed, but turned to be turned out to be absolutely true. One of the things that he said was that there was this element, this element 115 and that they had figured out a way to stabilize this element in these other planets. And that's what they used to propel these vehicles with a different kind of propulsion that manipulated gravity. And it essentially had created some sort of a warp where they didn't, they weren't subject to the same laws of physics with this propulsion system that we are with what we have, which is just igniting fuel and pushing the explosion, pushes the rocket into space. Which could explain sort of the, the, the Freyver sighting. Yeah. The way he described these vehicles in the 1980s and the early 1990s is exactly the way Freyver's vehicle worked. Exactly the way the gimbal video worked. These things, for whatever reason, they fly one way and then they turn sideways. Like, like if you had a plate, the plate turns up and down and then that's the way it travels. And then somehow or another, that's, that's how it travels insanely fast. That it does something to manipulate gravity around it. Yeah. It sounds super weird, but the fact that this guy talked about this in the early 90s and then this is the exact video that the Pentagon refers to, that you actually see these objects that they can't explain, that don't give off a heat signal, that move in this exact same way at spectacular rates of speed. And then that's how the TikTok craft worked too. Well, I mean, yeah, I, yeah, it's, yeah, there's a, there's a leap there necessarily that you got to make. I don't want to make that leap either. I know what you're saying. Looked for years. I was like, it's all horseshit. Yeah. I mean, I'm not, I, you know, again, not saying it couldn't happen. I'm just saying there's certain parts of this, like, like, okay, Harry Reid talking about it. Well, look, Harry Reid was, you know, was, he was very interested in this stuff. You know, he allocated some federal funds to one of his buddies in Nevada to, you know, create a sort of a center, you know, for examining this and for developing space exploration capabilities. So Harry Reid is certainly interested in this. They, I talked to Lou Elizondo who ran ATEM, right? And you don't really get that answer when you say, okay, Lou, was ATEM holding on to materials, you know, that came from an alien craft? No. You know, what they're saying is- Maybe it was an ATEM that was involved in that aspect of the- Maybe it was an ATEM, yeah. Yeah. No, that's, okay, yeah, I get that. And again, I guess, I guess what I'm saying is I'm, I'm open to say, yeah, fine. Like anything can, anything's possible. I suppose in this world, things that I do know is it's, you know, it's, I have a really hard time believing the government could keep this all buttoned up over a period of time. Isn't there a genuine ridicule factor for coming forward that would help? I mean, that's a part of the whole thing about all the UFO stories. They're so ridiculous. Well, and that's why, you know, that's why they set up ATEM to begin with, right? Just so, you know, that they could have sort of a legitimate outlet and a place for this to go. But yeah, Fraver himself talks about it. Look, it's not in their best interest to get back on the carrier and say, by the way, we spotted an unidentified flying object. But they did. And yeah, and you're right. So the natural tendency is to kind of look the other way or roll your eyes. And that's, and that can act as a deterrent. Yeah. I don't know. But I do think that it bears further investigation. There's no doubt about that. And I think that the ATEM program that the Pentagon was running, you know, for the minimal cost of that compared to the cost of another air asset or, you know, platform or some sort, I think they should have kept it going, right? And they should have normalized to some degree because it's in our national security interest to know. And that's not to say that we have the Russians or have others developed materials, right? Or propulsions. Everybody's working on new propulsion systems, right? Everybody that has the ability and the resources. So hypersonic craft, that's just coming, right? That's going to happen. And whoever wins that particular race is going to be further up the food chain than everybody else. So it's in our national interest to be exploring any legitimate or potentially legitimate sighting to understand what that is. That doesn't mean you're chasing UFOs or sort of spacecraft from other. It just means you should know what the hell that is or what's out there. So I'm a big proponent of that. I'm just saying also you have to proceed with caution.