Colion Noir Tackles Misconceptions About Gun Violence

Well that's what I wanted to talk to you about. One of the things like, did anything shift when people started buying guns? When there was this moment where, what was the number of gun sales went up? Something crazy. Like 40 something percent. It was crazy. It was hard in that. Really? Yeah. Okay let's find it. Let's guess. I'm thinking it's like 40 percent. Jamie what do you think? What's your guess? What's the percentage? Yeah that sounds right. I have a different question but. Okay good. I'm looking that up because I see the statistic of 500,000 to 3 million. But it's why would the center for disease control be doing that? Really? Because they want to make it a healthcare issue. So you hear them say it all the time. This is a public health issue. It's easier to sell gun control when you deem it a public. No different than getting COVID and the vaccine. Why wouldn't it be the ATF though? Because it's easier to sell it as a public health issue. I know but firearms is literally in their title. Yeah exactly. And if you say it the way Biden says it you switch firearms and tobacco. Yeah AFT. But you gotta admit to me. They're very good. The one thing I will say about them and when I say them I mean the gun control lobby which generally speaking and I got a lot of people who follow me who are more liberal they hate when I bring up the Democrats. They hate it because they think I'm just trying to push this one sided narrative with respect to the Republicans. No it is what it is. If you look at all the gun control legislation you look at anybody who's pushing gun control the vast majority of them I'm talking 99 percent of the time they are Democrats. Why do you think that is? Because Democrats are the Democratic ideology is based around bigger government. And so you can't necessarily exact your control over a group of people if they have something as self-reliant as a firearm. Do you really think that's what it is? I do think that to a degree that is it. I think it's that the ideology behind being a left wing person is you want less violence and I think maybe you're more reluctant to actually take into account real human nature and real the real potential breakdown of society that would cause you to need a gun. I think they're more idealistic more utopian and perhaps more delusional. I think the people who vote Democrat believe that. I think the people in power have a different agenda. I think I think from their and honestly they are they are the proverbial hammer. So when you when you're when you when your fundamental ideologies are based around bigger government you think the solution for everything is more government. So if it's if a shooting happens right and come on do we really think government is the most efficient entity at solving problems in our country. No people complain about the government all the time. But when you are the government and you get something like a shooting and people are like we need to do something about it. Okay more government let's throw these laws out here like restrict that take that so they take on a more apparent role as opposed to an entity designed to find true solutions to fix a problem. So they say okay well if this small number of people are killing people with guns take the guns away. It's it's an oversimplified approach to to any problem that comes up because they're not really about getting to the true issue of the problem. They just want to either look like they're doing something about it and so they'll just take the easiest approach or they'll try to scapegoat it on something because at the end of the day they realize that they're ineptitude with respect to leadership is going to be put on full blast. More specifically our inner cities. So if the vast majority I mean close to 80% of gun homicides in this country are coming from our inner cities and we have 400 million guns in this country. Is it really 80%? Damn near yes. It's high. It's high. I'm talking gun homicides. Not like gun deaths. Because and it's driven by gang and drug violence. And with gun deaths then you start including suicide. Exactly yeah. And so if you understand that that means that we're having a high concentration of concentrated level of violence in very specific areas in this country. Right. And as a result of that you look at that and you say OK well we have high concentrated we have an era of concentrated violence in specific areas but yet we have guns all across the country that don't have this violence. So clearly there's something else going on here other than the fact that there are guns. And then predominantly these inner cities are led by Democrats. It just is what it is. It's not. And they have heavy gun control. Exactly. It's crazier. So it's it's it's it's it's tends to reason you're not doing something in these places that you should be doing in order to deal with this violence. Yeah. And then you know in my research and in my study when I was reading these books called I think I think it's like Don't Shoot or something like that. I can't remember the exact title of it. So I was reading this book and it was talking about this program called Ceasefire. There is a program currently now that's called Ceasefire but I don't think it's the same program or it's a former shell of itself. But you know this guy this criminologist he set out and I think it was done in Boston and they were dealing with a lot of violence in their inner cities. And so what they did is they put together a program was a very holistic approach to the violence and essentially cops came together along with the community leaders and so forth and so on. And they they knew who the perpetrators were of this violence. You got to think about it. Do you really honestly believe that the vast majority of these kids in the inner city are killers. No. It takes very specific type of person to be a killer. So a lot of the killings that are taking place in these places are done by a very hyper focused group of kids in these areas. And the vast majority of the time the police know who these kids are. Police know who the perpetrators of this violence are. And so what they did is they came together. They said all right here's what we're going to do. And they they brought they brought the leaders of the gangs and the kids the kids who were out on the street so forth and so on came together and I look we're not going to say we're not going to arrest you for the drug dealing because I mean whatever happens happens with respect to that. But if the if the bodies continue we're going to make life incredibly hard for you on these streets really hard. And as time went on the violence stopped. The number went down because at the end of the day you got to think about a lot of these kids are carrying guns not because they want to go and kill someone. They're carrying guns because they're scared. They grow they've grown up in an environment that has forced them to engage in the lifestyle that they're in generally speaking. So if I'm a kid and even if I don't want to partake in this in this particular lifestyle if that's the only thing that surrounds me and I know at any given point my life could be threatened I'm going to carry a gun too. Or even if I'm a kid that's like look I just want to I want to make some extra money. I'm not I'm not justifying drug dealing. I'm not justifying the selling of drugs. But if I'm a kid who just says you know what I want to make I want to sell money because I grew up the only the only form of success that I've seen where the drug dealers in my area. So I'm going to sell drugs. Of course he's going to carry a firearm he's selling drugs. There are going to be other people who are going to try to take his product so forth and so on. Doesn't necessarily mean he's a killer. Right. So when you focus entirely on the firearm and only on the firearm it doesn't do anything to actually deal with the issue that's good the underlying issue that's happening in these places. It's a socioeconomic issue when you grow up in poverty. I'm sorry there's going to be a predisposition with respect to your area. You're going to have more violence there because what is the natural economy there drugs. That's one of the weirder aspects of gun violence is the reluctance to address the violence in inner cities while focusing on the violence of the rare mass shooter because the inner city like you look at the south side of Chicago it's a regular basis. It's almost every weekend there's a bunch of homicides. I think the reason why is because like you actually touched on it. How do you avoid inner city violence. You're going to have to fix the crime. No I mean just you. How do you avoid being out of the inner city. Exactly. However when people feel like some random yo yo can walk into a store and just start shooting people it terrifies them. Which is understandable. It's totally understandable. But none of these laws that they're proposing do anything to stop this. They won't. No. That's the question. Is the goal really to try to save lives or are they leveraging these shootings to get this specific agenda that they have passed. Catch new episodes of the Joe Rogan Experience for free only on Spotify. Watch back catalog JRE videos on Spotify including clips easily seamlessly switch between video and audio experience. On Spotify you can listen to the JRE in the background while using other apps and can download episodes to save on data costs all for free. Spotify is absolutely free. You don't have to have a premium account to watch new JRE episodes. 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