Cmdr. David Fravor Discusses Underwater UFO Sightings

Do you, are you, Jeremy, I'm sure you're aware of this, the footage from the Mexican Air Force? Yeah, yeah, very aware of that. What do you think about that? Well, again, it's IR footage, which is really interesting. They actually got the cameras for drug runners, right? So you have, you can see in the infrared, so it's beyond the observable, you know, eye. I myself have not detailed looked at the footage. However, FLIR experts and people that work with NSA have looked at it for me. And these are not lights in the distance. These are craft, very similar to what Commander Faber talks about without plumes, without heat signatures, you know, non-traditional field propulsion systems. We don't have that. I thought they tried to, is this it right here? Is this the Mexican Air Force footage? Yeah, so they tried to say these were lights on like an oil rig out in the water that's been debunked. Yeah, they tried to say it was a fire in an oil rig, right? No. 2004 Comcast video of the year was the Mexican Air Force tracking like six. So literally right after our incident, I come, we come back and I think we were getting ready to go to Fallon. And I'm, I had Comcast and the homepage comes up and there's this video and I go, holy cow, that looks like what we chased. And it was like six of these things and they were tracking them in the same area too, right off the coast of Ensenada. And it's not as rare. There's now admitted an increased frequency that a Pentagon spokeswoman finally went off script. I was tracking the scripts for the last two years of what Pentagon spokespeople say about Commander Faver's experience. Someone went off script last week in the New York Times and she admitted there's an increased frequency of near misses because of these AAVs, anomalous aerospace vehicles. So it's pretty astounding. We're getting all these kind of revelatory moments in these little seeds that these are not ours. We don't have this. Even Elon doesn't have this. I mean, this is a propulsion system unlike anything we have. It's amazing. It's gravity propelled. Now that gimbal footage when it said that there's a fleet of them, how far away are those guys where you're seeing, you don't see the individual objects, you only see a singular spot. Well, the pod is, you know, when you get pretty narrow, it'd be like, you know, if I put three people around you, I can look at you and not see the other people. So that's what the pod is doing. But the radar is seeing everything because it's a, it has an ESA radar on it, which is an active electronically scanned array. So instead of like the radars we had, which did the mechanical, you know, doing this like old school, this thing is just a panel that sits in the front of the airplane and through beam sharing or beam shaping, it can move and it can look all over. So we used to have what was called track wall scan. So we would be able to track a target while we're still scanning. This thing has scan wall. It scans while tracks. So it literally, if it sees you, if the radar sees you, it has basically a weapons quality solution. And it can do that on multiple targets. That's how, that's the same way the spy radar, the IJAS system works on the cruisers. It can track multiple targets and have weapons quality on all these different targets while it's still scanning a volume. So in that image, you're seeing one individual object, but there's other objects? Yes. The radar is seeing the object that the pod is looking at where they're talking. And when you hear the video, you hear the pilot say, dude, look at the SA page. There's a whole fleet of them. So what they're seeing is the pod is looking at the main, that's the bigger object at the gimbal, the thing that's rotating on the screen. And there's five smaller things in front. So this thing's just sitting there and then they kind of, he said they turn around on the radar and start going the other way while the pod's looking at this guy just kind of rotating. So like a mothership and smaller aircraft. Could be. Something along those lines. Is there video of those smaller aircrafts or just the video of the one large one? The only thing they have is the targeting pod. I would highly doubt, even if they had the video, that they're going to release the radar video because of classification levels. Are you able to tell the story you told me about what was underwater with your other buddy? Because, is that okay? Yeah. Yeah. So it's amazing, you know, people come out of the woodwork when they figure out you've had this because now they don't feel alone. So I was working. I worked. I still do it. But I was doing oil and gas at the time on a contract and one of the guys, the story came out and he was a Navy helicopter pilot. And he comes in. He comes in. He goes, can I talk to you, man? I go, what about you? He goes, I got to talk to you. I said, what do you want to talk to me about? He says, dude, you know, your UFO. He said, yeah, he goes, I had a similar experience. I said, what's that? He said he was flying CH 53s, which is a big lift, heavy lift that the Marine Corps uses and the Navy uses it for certain things. And when they go off of for the East Coast, they do a lot of shooting off of at the time it was off of Puerto Rico. We had Roosevelt Roads that they ended up closing. But he was flying out of there. And, you know, you got super clear Caribbean water and they have these things that are called BQMs. They fly around and then when they're all done, because they'll fly towards the ships and the ship can. Sorry about that. They can track with the radar. And then they also do in the like the ships or submarine shoot torpedoes. They're called telemetry rounds. So they have they gather all the data on what the torpedo is doing underwater and then they blow ballast and this thing will come to the surface and float and then they go pick them up and then they can extract all the data out of them. So they do it for both. So he said the first time they're out and they're going to pick up this BQM and those things when they're flying, they're done. A parachute comes out and they got to go. They hook it up. The helo drops the swimmer in the water. He goes and hooks this whole thing up and then they hoist the whole thing up and fly back and then they extract the data. So he says he's sitting in the front, you know, in helicopters, there's, you know, CH 53. You can actually see down by your feet, you know, just like typical, like you got a Hawaiian ride suit because you can see when you're touching down. So you got really good visibility out of those things. You can stick your head out the window too, because you're just kind of hanging out. He says he's going on there and they're getting this thing hooked up. And as he's looking down, you know, because they're what 50 feet above the water, he sees kind of this dark mass coming up from the depths and they start to hoist the the diver up and he's got they've got the BQM and as they hoisted up, he says and he's looking at the single. What the hell is that? And then it just goes back down underwater. It just like once they pull the kid in the BQM out of the water, this object descends back into the depths. So he thinks, well, that was pretty weird. So he goes out, he says not too long later, you know, a few months later, he's out and he's picking up a torpedo. So he says they got the they hooked the diver up on the winch and they're lowering him in and as he's looking down, he sees this big massive because it's not a submarine. He's seen submarines before once you see a submarine, you can't confuse it with something else. This big object, you know, kind of circularly says is coming up from the depths and he starts screaming to through the intercom system to tell him to pull the diver up and the divers like few feet from the water. So they reverse the winch and the divers thinking what the hell is going on and he's getting pulled up and all of a sudden he said the torpedo just got sucked down underwater and the object just descended back down into the depths and they never recovered the torpedo. And this happened in the late 90s late mid to late 90s. I think it is. I could probably get in touch with him and ask him and he told me this story and I'm like, how do you report that? You come in and go, well, where'd the torpedo go? I just got sucked down. It just went down, you know, and then you get to people that attributed his eye. Something happened when it blew ballast and it just took on water and sank and he's like, it didn't sink. He goes, it literally looked like it got sucked down. The only reason they didn't they talked to him when they did the New York Times stuff, they talked to him. But because the incident was from the 90s, they didn't want to they wanted something, you know, newer. So they did not include it. But I know they talked to him about it. Now, what was the other footage that we were looking at? There was the first footage that Jamie pulled up that wasn't the gimbal footage that was the go fast. Go fast. What is that? That's a it actually looks more like a tic tac, but it's they saw it going across the water and they're they're just grabbing a lock. So they're they're seeing this with their eyes and he gets the flier to lock out and that's when you hear the kid go, oh, I got it because he gets the auto track. And it's just something screaming across the surface of the water. So and this is in the same area. This is East Coast. Yeah, this is the same time frame as the gimbal video. So the idea that these are birds or the idea that this is a radar glitch or somebody said pilot error like on a clear blue day. Commander Fraver has nerves. I mean that kind of thing that people have said on your show to you that, you know, this these are explanations that make sense. Who said that? I didn't want to say that. Oh, Mick West? Yeah, sure. I mean, he believes everything like every single thing that's ever happened has a rational explanation. Yeah, it's so so that, you know, the probability that, you know, all the radars went off at the wrong time. Commander Fraver, you know, had nerves and all the other pilots up there with him that, you know, this thing shot off like a like a can like a gun instantly, like that. That was somehow perfectly coordinated. That's a conspiracy. That's a fabrication. Probably Occam's razors. The events happened exactly like we're being told. Yeah, for us, it was, you know, and I'll go back to the beginning of the story of, you know, the other pilot who was brand new. She had been in the squadron for four months, five months. So she's pretty junior. She was still working on her initial quality airplane. And, you know, so she gets the, you know, we get the real world vector and it's like, okay, real world vector. Cool. I'm going to get to do something real exciting. Then you see the water and you think, oh, something's sinking because it's kind of that shape of an airplane. You know, that cross type. So now it's, oh crap, now it's search and rescue. We got to go down and see, you know, because there's people, you know, and we are sympathetic. And to the tic-tac and as soon as the tic-tac, it's like, you know, holy shit, what is that? You know, and when you get, you know, some people get very emotional when you talk about it because for me, it was like, you know, for her, when you talk to her, she has a disdain for some of the leadership that didn't tell us that these things were out there. You know, they're here now we're getting vector because we were the first time the manned airplanes had been airborne when one of these things showed up. That no one even gave us a brief that, hey, we're seeing these object out here for the last two weeks. They're just kind of, you might want to know they're out there and they never told us. No one knew these things existed besides the radar operators and the radar operators didn't know what they were. They just knew they were seeing blips, you know, so there's a lot of stuff that, you know, that it flew around and it came around me and it didn't do any of that stuff. It's the story that I gave you that's just relatively benign, but it was, you know, it's an interesting experience. So these incidents that they reported were taking place before you saw your, that tic-tac encounter. Yeah. They were taking place over a period of how many weeks? Two weeks. We went out at the beginning of the month for this two week at sea period. We pulled in for Thanksgiving, but other than that, we were out till I think December 21st is when we pulled the ship back in besides pulling in for the three days of Thanksgiving. So yeah, for the two weeks prior, so this was on the 14th and we went out at the beginning of the month. So about two weeks they'd been watching these things come down, go up, come down, go up. But it was always when we were not flying, which is really probably like the midnight timeframe until early in the morning, the next, you know, till noon, the next day. And then we just happened to go. And if you think about it, you know, I laugh at, you know, if there was some little green man flying around in that tic-tac, he probably got back to the mothership and got yelled at for being seen. But you're like, oh my God, you let them see you. So.