Abby Martin's Views on Israel | Joe Rogan

Yeah, it's sick. I mean, you texted me that video of the kid, you know, another medic was just shot, so... Yeah, there was something that... It's crazy. ...Balal Mohammed, who's one of the UFC fighters had on his Instagram. And I texted you that. It's... It's so... Again, this is another thing. It's so difficult to understand what's actually going on. There's so many pro-Israel people that put their head in the sand and don't want to look at some of these atrocities and don't want to look at some of the videos that you sent me of soldiers shooting at people that are not doing anything. Right. I mean, yeah, I mean, their whole argument is that it's all Hamas and they're human shields. I mean, we looked through hundreds of hours of footage that these people gave us and it's mind blowing footage. It looks absolutely cinematic and epic, but the footage is harrowing and I didn't see one weapon. I didn't see one militant, not one weapon. It was literally people with slingshots throwing rocks at tanks. It's kind of a rite of passage. It's very symbolic. They're not trying to hurt anyone. No Israeli soldiers have been hurt or killed, you know, during 2018, which is what the film looks at is through 2018 of the Great March of Return. And there's not any weapons. There's no militants. Hamas has nothing to do with these... with the march. And it's just shocking. I mean, it's shocking how many war crimes were committed on camera and it's just amazing the propaganda that's just told to us about what this is and why they have the right to kill people that pose no threat to them. When you were on last time and you talked about this, one of my email accounts was flooded with literally a chain letter, the same letter, like denouncing you and your lies and your anti-Semitic perspective. And your anti-Israelist perspective. It was weird because it was the same email. AstroTurf. Yeah, it was fake. Yeah. You know, that's a campaign. You know that that has a lot of money behind it. Yeah. There's a lot of money behind that. I mean, the film is mind-blowing. Go to GazaFightsForFreedom.com if you want to check it out when it gets released. And it's just really incontrovertible, Joe. I mean, even if it were a war between armies, all of these things that Israel has done are still documented war crimes and very grievous violations of international law. And we're talking about direct targeting and assassinations by Israeli snipers of disabled people of children, press and medics. And that's who Rizan was. She was a medic. And as you mentioned, another medic just passed away. Was killed, rather. I hate to use the passive voice because you always hear Palestinians died. No, they were murdered. They're all being murdered by snipers and they pose no threat to them. And so the film looks at this U.N. investigation basically during the March in 2018 and documents all of the grievous crimes and atrocities conducted by the Israeli military. And I mean, you know, Palestine has a right to defend itself. And this isn't even what that is. But if you look at the U.N. Charter of 1978, they say that, you know, occupied peoples and besieged peoples have the right actually for armed self-defense. And the fact that this is not even what that is, that there's literally people going out there in peace with their bare chests holding flags and they're getting killed and sniped. There's so many amputations. I mean, just in 2018 alone, there was 35 kids who were killed. 900 shot. Jesus. Yeah, that's children. And, you know, some of these stories are harrowing. A kid hiding behind a trash can who was sniped, a kid who went up to the fence and just put a Palestinian flag and she was shot in the head and died instantly. It just it goes on and on and on. And so, you know, we're just trying to document this to really kind of push the needle for accountability because these laws have been agreed upon by the international community, some of them hundred years ago. And to have kind of a rogue state acting with complete impunity, knowing that it has total protection from the U.S. Empire and given more freedom than ever under Trump with this Golan Heights thing and the moving of the Jerusalem Embassy or the moving of the embassy to Jerusalem. I mean, it's just it's abysmal and it needs to be stopped. And, you know, they can't control the narrative any longer because we're seeing this with our own eyes. And that's what this film does is really lays it all out. Abby, you concentrate and focus on so many different fucked up parts of the world. But you're so you're very friendly and upbeat. Like, see, like you're laughing at this. How do you manage to maintain your sanity? Because I have a hard time if I just watch one of your pieces. Right. I watch one of your clips and I just go, what the fuck? And I just want to cry and I don't know what to do and I want to hug my kids. But you're in this. You're in the trenches every day and you go to these places all the time. How do you how do you do it? Well, I think that well, first of all, I go and camp a lot. I get into nature a lot, which is also kind of depressing knowing that, you know, climate change and blah, blah, blah. But I try to get out and see the beauty of the world and understand my privilege, especially as an American citizen, because I don't have. We can't afford to not be aware and we can't afford to not be educated in talking about these issues, especially when our government is subsidizing this around the world. Ten million dollars every day with our tax dollars. You know, I mean, this is this is going on and it's so close to home. And we have to acknowledge our privilege and acknowledge the situation, which is we have agency. We have agency to lobby our government to change this and to stop these criminal. Acts.