A Lot of Friends Fell Down the Racist Rabbit Hole | Michael Malice

What is the new right? This is the title of your book. A Journey to the Fringe of American Politics. What inspired you to do this? So the circles I was swimming in started going into developing into the scene as it was happening that culminated in like the Trump presidency in Charlottesville. So I was there as this was happening. What circles we discuss it? This kind of the anarchist circles, what they call race realism, the racist, you know? The alt right. And seeing a lot of it happening, being discussed in the press and people not knowing what they're talking about, I'm like, all right, someone's gotta write this book who's been there and understands it. And it might as well be- How do you understand it? Like what about it? Like the race realists? Because one of the points I make is this is not one scene where everyone's in agreement. These people often completely hate each other and disagree. The only thing that unites them is their opposition to progressivism. And this is you looking at this as a journalist. When you're saying- Sure, yeah. But the way you're saying it is like you're a part of these groups. Well, I was, I'm like, all right, I went to all the meetings, you know, I go to Charlottesville, I interviewed all the types, I had, you know, and it's what their points of view are. And if you're gonna engage with this kind of thinking, which is somewhat prevalent on the fringes, you have to at least understand where they're coming from. And being dismissive gives a power. For sure, but what I wanna say is, because I don't want people to misconstrue you. So someone could listen to this and inadvertently misconstrue, or purposely misconstrue and think that you're a part of these groups. Oh no, no, so it's very clear in this book who I agree with it and why don't. Yes, but no, in the book. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, in the book, but the way we're discussing it in this conversation, you're saying the circles that you run in. Yeah, because a lot of the people who I was friends with fell down this rabbit hole. They fell down the rabbit hole of- Right. Nauseism, racism, yes. Really? Who that you were friends with fell down- Yeah, because, and it was very disturbing- But you knew them in real life? Correct. Wow. And it was very disturbing to watch as they start throwing out terms like HBD, NRX. What is that? Human biodiversity. That's their code word for different races, right? Human biodiversity is the code word for different races? Yes. And what's the other one? HBS? NRX. NRX? Near reaction. So this is basically, America is this decadent why am I republic and we need to return to like hardcore- Right. Neo reaction. Neo reaction. Neo reaction. So that was the hashtag before was the alt right. It's not the same, but they're similar enough. So, and a lot of these guys are really cerebral. You know, they could tell you about the history of England. They could tell you about, you know, all the science and stuff. So what went wrong? With who? With them. I don't know what went wrong. I think one of the things that goes wrong is when no one's talking to you and you're just talking to each other, you're gonna start doubling down because there's no one hitting the brakes. You know what else happens? What? You say controversial things, people attack you, and then some people don't attack you. They support you. Yes. And then you gravitate towards those people that support you. Right, and then you get that endorphin rush. You get the light. Yes. You start seeing that with people and they start embracing really weird fringe ideas. They become a part of these fringe groups and they get praised by these fringe groups and then they elevate to virtue signal for that fringe group. And so you could be either an average person in the mass or you could be a leader in the fringe. It's big fish in a small pond. And you could be one of those who knows. One of those who knows. People know what the fuck is going on. You're not gonna get me with this scam. So my line is you take one red pill but not the whole bottle. You take the Adderall, bro. That's what you take. Take that fucking Adderall. No one's gonna, I know what's happening. Start stashing weapons in your backyard. Start prepping. Yeah. So it's an interesting, and there's also a long history of this stuff. So how did you know those guys in real life? Did you know them from work? Did you know from- I knew them from like anarchist circles.