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Dustin Poirier is a mixed martial artist, entrepreneur, and philanthropist. www.ufc.com/athlete/dustin-poirier www.thegoodfightgroup.com www.diamondpoirier.com
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the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day
my friend good to be back bro dustin poirier the light heavyweight
it's thick boy summer you looking healthy son yeah like 190 man you look good
man i feel good
dude it feels good to eat and not count carbohydrates and calories yeah we were
talking
about that were you like still like a little part of you is like looks at meals
and goes oh well i
mean for the last 20 years i've been macro and you know i knew i had a fight
coming up even if i
didn't have a fight i had to be in striking range from 155 right so i was
always looking at the back
of every label being real cautious what i eat it's like ingrained in my
daughter now when we go to
whole foods she'll grab something off the counter and say dad it only has three
ingredients like she
knows what's up well it's good to think that way anyway for sure especially
with the ingredients
yeah that's the first thing she goes to like if she wants some chips it only
has five ingredients
that's like a thing for her when we're shopping yeah well that's smart man that's
cool you're
raising them right i'm trying to bro i'm trying to put the stuff i learned in
fighting you know
all the years yeah it's a good use it's uh it is kind of crazy i think it's the
worst thing about
fighting is the weight cutting do you imagine if everybody just first of all i
tell me if you agree
but i think the ufc needs way more weight i do too way more i do too because
the gaps are so big i mean
just if you look at boxing compared to mixed martial arts the the the jumps and
weight are so big from
each weight class but also all the shows they're putting on they'd have more
titles more belts more
big fights but also man with that there's going to be a lot of people trying to
cut a little bit
extra trying to be double champ in every weight class i think it does cause
more confusion
yeah but that's better than the extreme weight cuts the extreme weight cuts are
terrible you saw
that dude a few um like i guess it was about three events ago who face planted
and got removed off
the card yeah that is crazy you're getting someone to the brink of death 24
hours before they have
an mma fight which is the most if not the most dangerous sport one of the most
dangerous sports in
the world for sure and you're doing something to your body to extremely weaken
it 24 hours before
you fight it's bananas dude i did it so many times you preach it to the choir i
know there's been so
many times i felt like that like stand up too quick after a weight cut and i'm
like you know i might go
down oh dude i i mean i can only imagine when you see someone like perera that's
cutting like 25 pounds
and more when he was 185 i mean that guy was fighting inside the octagon at 225
and weighing in at 185 24
hours before right that's crazy and even when he's big he's lean you know it's
not like he's fluffy
well they say that when you're muscular it's easier to cut weight more water
water yeah yeah which is
counterintuitive you see a fat guy you're like oh that guy can cut weight but
you really can't because
you can't deplenish deplenish your fat right not in a training camp's time
eight weeks ten weeks you
can't lose like 30 pounds of fat but i don't think i said deplenish like it was
a real word you can
dehydrate yourself i don't think it is a word deplenish well if you can replenish
right but no one says
deplenish can you plenish no you say deplete but i just threw it out there like
it was real i don't think
deplenish is a word is that a word yeah it is yeah i don't think i've ever used
it that way oh okay
nice man nice i got lucky that was just luck um but i talked to hunter about it
hunter campbell and
we're we're trying to figure out a way um without it has to be more weight
classes i mean california
instituted a bunch of different weight classes i think um i think they were
doing it every 10 pounds
i think california also did like a percentage of your your body weight like i
don't what was it 15 20
you couldn't dehydrate more than that that guy andy foster is on the ball and i
think that's good you
know yeah 20 or whatever some kind of rule where guys aren't cutting 50 pounds
40 is still crazy
yeah it's still crazy i mean if you're too yeah you're right 200 pounds 40
pounds i mean it's a lot
of weight well that's another thing that freaks boxers out when i tell them
that there's a weight limit
at heavyweight 265 that doesn't make any sense i go i agree why is there a
weight limit for heavyweight
that's crazy dude that that gap too like 205 anything over that you can be 210
to 265 that's
crazy crazy you know but well heavyweight in boxing like look mike tyson when
he was in his prime was only
like 220 215 220 you know that's where he when he was dominating that's where
he kind of fell in that
weight limit i wouldn't i think it would be a good idea anything past like 230
235 super heavyweight
yeah you know well the difference been boxing though is the grappling the
grappling in mma the gap
if a guy gets on top of you is immense yeah if you got a like in ghana when he
was in his prime was
weighing over like 300 pounds and then cutting down to 265 he was a 300 pound
natural he's a guy who's
like a knockdown power for sure but grappling like if you get a big guy who's
265 and knows how to
grapple very well wrestled his whole life they get inside control or oh half
guard you're not getting
up that's the end of the round yeah yeah also if they did do a super heavy the
fights might be
either awesome or it's completely suck well i think it should be heavyweight
should be unlimited
and then you'll find out yeah because like kane velasquez no one's holding that
dude down in his
prime yeah even when he was 240 when he was 240 and he fought lesnar lesnar was
gigantic but it didn't
matter because the cardio that kane had and the speed and his technique sort of
it he was ahead of his
time yeah he was ahead of his time he was like a hybrid can do everything great
cardio good athlete
before mma got to where it's at now yeah the one fight that i always say that
we missed is kane and
fedor in their primes yeah because they were both in their prime at the same
time and they never made
that happen when ufc absorbed the the pride roster and stuff i was crazy it's
crazy that fedor never
fought in the ufc at all man well they tried the ufc tried but fedor's
management were a bunch of
very dangerous dudes yeah you don't mess around with this yeah man there was
like tense negotiations
and they wanted a percentage of the promotion they wanted a lot more than just
a big purse yeah ufc's
not playing that game no they were like look we'll give you you know a very
healthy purse we'll bring
fedor over here but the problem was when they purchased pride they thought they
were getting
everyone's contracts but the contracts were all well some guys came over on
crazy crazy money contracts
you know i think dan henderson might have been one i was a young fighter one
time and i was making
this might have been 2013 or something 2014 i don't know and um they came to
give me my check this is
back in the day before they wired they used to give us checks on fight night
and they have going through
the checks and i saw dan's and i saw the number and i couldn't believe it this
is before like people
posting online fighter pay and all that and i saw the numbers he was making i
was like no way
guys rich does it make you angry nah no because the future myself looking back
or looking forward when
guys are going to be fighting for belts and stuff the money they're going to
make in five years i'm
gonna be i'm gonna be that guy like damn you know i got out too early or you
know how it is the next
generation always gets more right mike brown tells me that all the time do you
i was fighting for the
belt and wc defending it making this you guys on the prelims are making more
than i was making you know
yeah there's a weird that sort of discussion about fighter pay you know i've
always been of the
opinion that fighters should be making more money period because like the same
way i feel about like
the way i run my comedy club the comedians make 80 of the money because i feel
like that's who's
you're paying to see you're paying to see them we make plenty of money like
with drinks and 20 of the
ticket sales it's like it's enough like it should be the what if we had a
comedy club and there's no
comedians no one's coming right no one's gonna pay just to sit there and buy
drinks like the whole
idea is they're paying to see someone's work if you fight that's what people
are paying to see they're
paying to see fighters without the fighters there's no show without the comedians
there's no show i
understand but i think the big thing with the discussion of fighter pay is the
percentages when you look at
other major major organizations like nfl nba the percentages are so so
different yeah it's not good
but dude at the end of the day i'm all for fighter pay too i've been fighting
my whole life
but you sign the contract you agree this is how business is done push for try
to get more of what
you're worth you know you can't sign a contract and complain right that's true
too but also it's like
the reality of mma is if you're not in the ufc people are not paying attention
that's unfortunate
but it's reality yeah you know and i think there's some really good fighters
that fight in the pfl and
really good fighters that fight in one but they don't no one knows who they are
other than the hardcore
dudes right that's yeah i got a buddy johnny ebelin who is the bellator
champion awesome i've been
training with him since he started mma when he got out of college wrestling and
stuff like
right now he can go to the ufc and give the top five guys a run for their money
absolutely no doubt
in my mind he's only getting better yeah just because you fight in the ufc that's
a great
organization to fight for the biggest the most known worldwide but dude there's
great fighters
everywhere you know like on the mats at american top team there's a dozen guys
you've never heard of
that can make a run in the ufc right now that's what i heard is a nightmare
about training at american
top team because it's a revolving door man there's like a hundred professional
fighters on the mats at
all times yeah different camps they have dorms so guys from russia guys from
all over the world are
just in you never know who's going to be there and it's it's tough rounds you
know every practice is
tough well not only that but i've heard there's like guys coming in from russia
and they'll throw
oblique kicks at your knees and you're like hey man like what are we doing here
we're getting ready for
fights we're not in a fight right yeah yeah like some of these guys are trying
to make their name
off of a named guy and so you have to be very selective in who you spar with
for sure and that's
any not just american top team especially guys who are established like if i go
to any gym here in
austin and it's open mat or something i have a target on my back of course you
know that's everywhere
of course but those guys man like at a big gym like american top team with the
knowledge and the
good coaches those guys get weeded out that's you know you won't stay there
long if you're doing that
stuff the problem is if you're one of the guys that has to weed them out like
you find out early on this
dude's you know throwing wheel kicks yeah yeah full blast and it happens all
the time oh yeah yeah
well just you know makes sense i mean you're from dagestan or chechnya or
whatever you come to america
it's like this is your big chance and i do like to train hard to prepare for a
fight you got to fight
but you know you got to take care of each other we're professionals we're
feeding our family with this
yeah an injury can ruin everything well there's so many fighters that get concussions
in training and then you know they get chinny when they get into the fight it
happens all the time
yeah especially the early days there was a lot of guys who got hit me yeah like
the early days
we didn't really have classes that were organized man it was just sparring and
choking each other out
and with four ounce gloves sparring like we didn't know we didn't know isn't
that crazy like 2006
dude we used to beat each other up every day that was mma training and then it
wasn't these super gyms where
everything was under one roof i would drive to a boxing gym drive another 45
minutes to a jiu-jitsu
gym you know it was put everything together on fight night but you would train
everywhere else because
there wasn't mixed martial arts gyms back then really i would drive to a kickboxing
gym boxing gym
wrestling jiu-jitsu it was all separate well also you were in a place that didn't
have like a high
volume of mma fighters in your state right back then like rich clemeni melvin
gallard were the big guys
from louisiana you know right then tim crater came got crazy tim crazy tim got
on the ultimate fighter and
then i went to his gym once he got out of the tv show and i me and him trained
for years and years
he still has a gym in lafayette louisiana i loved him i've known tim since i
first worked out with him
in like 98 at machado's well he was in maybe the navy so he was in california
station there and i think
that's when he started jiu-jitsu he was louisiana's first black belt oh wow
yeah yeah i knew him from
that and then he was fighting and he was fighting in the ufc it was always
around the mma scene him
and eve edwards were good friends they opened the gym maybe in houston or
something he was cornering
eve and pride and then i met eve through tim and it's just it's a big family
man eve is a guy that i
always say there was a time where he was the best 155 pounder on earth when he
beat josh thompson
yes he's the uncrowned champion he should have been the uncrowned champion
there wasn't a belt
i know isn't that nuts isn't that nuts that's so hard for people to understand
like how crazy it is like being through the lineage of thug jitsu man it sucks
to say like
that he can't say he was a champion but i know he was he was he was he was the
best he was the best
at one point in time he was the best i he lived out here before he moved to la
so
before i moved to south florida to train an american top team i used to drive
six hours here and
stay with eve he always had wrestlers down here this is like beginning of my wec
days i would
drive down here and train with eve man he's he was another guy who was ahead
back in the day yes
because he comes from nhb like hook and shoot the crazy days yeah you know yes
yeah and he was doing
it all good jiu-jitsu good kickboxing he fell in love with wrestling i was such
a big fan of eve man he
he invented some moves too you remember that one thing that he would do where
guys were on a single and
knee that was uh dude i'm a mma historian bro that was elite xc i believe maybe
was it um and you
know that was edson berto was it i think andre berto's brother the boxer oh wow
yeah wow but that
he had a single leg he was hopping and then jumped up and eaten out cold yeah
it was crazy it is a lead
actually look at you bro i mean pray that again look at this this move is
brilliant that's brilliant
that's edson berto well and i believe andre and edson's dad was a mixed martial
artist oh yeah
that's such a slick move yeah he's so crafty man oh yeah well that head kick
that he landed on josh
thompson from the middle of that wild crazy scramble jumping roundhouse kick to
the head dude and they
still play it every opener of the ufc yeah they still play it as they should i
mean it's incredible
absolutely yeah i gotta you gotta give credit to eve he's he was one of the
real pioneers for sure and
way before this was cool yeah way before yeah but to be stuck at like 155 like
that was his weight class
and then there's no title yeah they were the two best guys in the world at that
time him and josh thompson
yeah josh thompson's another one doesn't get the credit he deserves that's it
boom like what a slick
move man but that was eve very creative you know yeah man josh thompson like
peak josh thompson for me
what was his strike force when him and uh gilbert melendez maybe we're going
back and forth didn't
have like a goodness yeah they might have had a trilogy it might have been two
two or three fights but
every fight was amazing gilbert melendez another guy doesn't get the credit he
deserves dude legend
legend legend all those guys they were the groundbreakers you know a lot of
these young
kids coming up you bring up gilbert melendez they're like who like bro you need
to know your
history you need to know how this thing got started go even more newer stuff go
watch him and uh diego
sanchez right slug it out diego sanchez is another guy that i say is a tweener
right because welterweight yeah i mean he really wasn't really a welterweight
and he you know and
lightweight and he tried to get down to 45 for a while but that was just brutal
he was killing
himself getting down to 45. i remember seeing him making weight for 45 i'm like
oh this ain't good
this ain't gonna last long no yeah but if like there was a 165 pound weight
class diego sanchez
might have been the champion of the world right honestly man like when i was
competing if they had
a 65 i might have entertained it 70 is just too big of a gap because i trained
with 70s in the ufc and i know
they're 200 something pounds and my heaviest i was like 182 183 maybe they're
just too big man well
you got guys like rumble johnson when rumble was alive yeah rumble got up to
230 pounds in between
no he was huge man huge huge i can't believe he made 170. he was living in
south florida so i see
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like he cut more weight
than anybody when he was fighting at 170 it was bananas like how are you doing
this i remember running
into him at a hotel i was like bro how big are you and he was laughing he's
like i'm 230 right now and
muscle jack yeah like a heavyweight and he went up to heavyweight he beat arlovsky
yep yep which is crazy
he was a legit heavyweight yeah dude andre's still fighting i know and winning
the bare knuckle champion
winning he's the bare knuckle champion like how durable is that for the years
and the miles that
that guy has i i have to say like taking shots receiving damage i don't know if
he takes it like
he obviously he doesn't take it like he used to but his mobility and his
movement for all the wars he's
had in the years he's been fighting when i watch him in the gym dude he's light
on his feet flexible
yeah he moves so well and enthusiasm still has enthusiasm for the game yeah
which is crazy
he loves it he clearly loves it i mean he was what ufc heavyweight champion in
2005 yeah
was it like 2005 2005 or 2006 i think he beat tim tim silvia maybe when he was
the champ first of all
that had a piston for a right hand i remember when he k-o'd paul blantello oh
my god that's a texas guy
paul blantello another another dude i believe he's from uh galveston area or
corpus christi or something
he's from texas well we if you think arlovsky from 2005 and he was a top 10
heavyweight as recently as
like 2023 well when he came back to the ufc after that long gap he went on a
streak he had a bunch
of great fight i think he knocked out travis brown beat travis brown which is
crazy did he fight big
foot did him in bigfoot 51 is when he was in 2005 february 5 2005 that is
bananas man that really is
bananas man back in the day uh tim silvia used to train at att when i first got
there he was the most
uncoordinated unathletic guy i couldn't believe he was a ufc champion man i
know he was like goofy
pigeon toed but down to fight oh down down the fight yeah for sure pigeon toed
his knees were
weird yeah yeah they went in like i don't i tried to talk to a trainer about
that and he goes that's
learned like you can correct that i was like what the knee the knee yeah the
knees bowed in like that was
he said that's a learn you could you could correct that i was like really how
do you what i never
heard of that uh yeah i didn't understand how it seems like something they
would do maybe when you're
born surgery like reposition the bones or something no well i don't know if it
is i don't know i mean
i'd have to i don't want to speak out of turn like i have to bring in that guy
and have him explain to
me how you could correct that yeah but he's like that's something that could be
corrected that's like
learned behavior it's just from being so big but dude watching him with his
toes pointed out doing
the ladder drills and stuff you know the ladders on the mat in and out like it
was so crazy guys
have their toes pointed out like that like jelly roll went from 500 pounds and
he's down to the he's in
the low 200s now which is crazy yeah i saw pictures of him looks completely
different he's lost like 300
pounds and he did it the right way yeah no ozempic just like diet exercise runs
all the time but he has
a problem when he walks his toes are pointed out and he's trying to correct it
he's trying to be
aware of it yeah when he runs he runs the right way like feet feet pointed
forward you see it too on
the on the bigger guy's shoes the corners of the shoes are always flat like
flat tires on the outside
yeah they just walk that way man well you gotta think you have so much weight
you gotta you
kind of kind of stretch out to kind of balance yourself yeah but i always point
to tim silvia when
he knocked out rico rico rodriguez that oh that tim silvia was a beast dude
that was back when all the
mexican supplements were allowed there was a lot of dudes who are very juicy oh
yeah and tim giant traps
and huge shoulders and yeah i remember he struggled to get down to 265 for that
fight
yeah back in the day with the juice was just free flowing man i just worked um
the ufc desk with
bisbing in vegas when max and charles fought and we started talking about the
same thing we're talking
about now and he was like oh i fought veto i fought them all in the height of
trt right you know he's
fought that was legal juice which was bananas i mean alistair oh yeah that was
the juiciest fight of all
time alistair versus uh versus brock was the juiciest fight of all time yeah i
recently watched the uh
mark hunt documentary and uh he's trying to like push back and do a lawsuit
against the ufc for all the
juicing and stuff but i mean it's such a yeah that's a tough that's a tough
road because how much can the
ufc do and it's on the athletic commission as well right wouldn't the lawsuit
be against the state not
the ufc i think his position is that the ufc knew that um but how would they
know that brock was juicing
i don't know this is before random drug tests i believe yes it was before so
that i feel like that
would fall on the state athletic commission maybe it wasn't before because he
did get popped you know
but but it wasn't random they weren't no no show up in camp no no that the back
in the day you would
get tested on fight night right you know they wouldn't knock at your door well
it was super clear
that brock was doing something it was super clear like he was like in his late
30s he's built like a
fucking like the side of a barn i mean there's a bunch of guys back then yeah a
bunch of guys
yeah but it wasn't frown it was okay everybody was doing it well it was and it
wasn't right because
it was illegal but it was like when you have fight day drug tests that's an
intelligence test that's
all that is right that's whether or not you have good people in your corner
right and whether or not
you have a chemist it's going to take this amount of weeks to get out or this
many days to get out of
your system well there were certain camps that would employ scientists and
these scientists the crooks
are always going to be ahead you know they're always going to be coming up with
something new
trying to stay ahead of the curve and get away with stuff and i still think
they're probably doing
it man yeah there's probably something that we don't know right now and it's
going to come out
in the future that's why they hold on to the drug tests for a prolonged period
of time yeah
they ask you your consent you have to do an extra signature if you let them
test it or use it for
what happens if you say no i i don't know i never said no i always give it to
them well it's good for
you because you're clean yeah i competed my whole career clean man nothing
nothing i was even scared
of certain creatine like i got the trusted by sport on everything because i was
so scared to be one of
those guys because every time i see it tainted supplement yeah sure buddy but
you know sure tainted
supplement but it could be you know i don't want to be one of those guys well
for sure there are tainted
supplements that's a real thing and you know i know that for a fact because as
one of the owners
of on it when we were doing um when we're uh doing third-party testing of some
of our supplements
we would find stuff in there that's not supposed to be in there and so we'd
have to contact the
distributor the manufacturer and the people that like mixed our stuff so the
way like on it would work
is like alpha brain has a bunch of different ingredients that enhance your you
know your mental
focus and clarity and we would give them the very specific numbers of what's
supposed to be in each
batch yeah and then we would third-party test we find a bunch of shit in there
that's not supposed
to be in there and it's because you know if you're getting it done overseas
they have these vats where
they mix all the stuff in and they don't even clean the vats right right they
dump it out and then they
dump the new stuff in there without cleaning it there's residue in there and
then also the level of
drug testing how high these things can sense anything right even if there's a
tiny bit they'll find it
right with john jones right it was picograms we got introduced to the term pico
like a grain of salt
in a swimming pool they can find they say yeah so the testing is legit and i'm
glad you know we're
fighting we're kneeing each other in the in the face if we were running track
or something exactly
but we're fighting you can get seriously injured man so exactly i've always
been against doping
but i'm retired now joe i'm retired now now you can get through yeah i love
what guys get well cowboy
got real jacked too afterwards but then he talked about coming back and he got
off of everything that's
the thing though like always back in the day all the trt guys like if you
change your body's natural
production of testosterone with exogenous testosterone you have to be on it for
the rest of your life
well you don't have to because there's things called hcg and hcg and clomiphene
can restart your
body's production of testosterone yeah yeah yeah because i know your testicles
will stop producing
once you introduce foreign testosterone right well for for a period of time
especially when you're a
young man you can restart it but you know my production i've been on trt since
i was like
late 30s like it's not coming back yeah yeah i'm shooting blanks pow pow but
you're good but two of
my daughters were born while i was on trt so it does work i just had a limited
amount i had soldiers
just one fucking special ops guy at the front only one was marching but he got
through black ops yeah so
if you think about like all of the time where people were allowed to dope it is
a giant percentage of
the history of mma like pride the further you go back for sure for sure for
sure pride it was juicy
as juice yeah like that like ensign anyway when he was on the podcast told me
that in the contract
that said in all capital letters we do not test for steroids we aren't looking
i've heard i've heard
other people say that as well we aren't looking thumbs up green light let's go
shoot up the juice
come fight we'll pay you cash get out of here they wanted you to juice they
wanted you to fight better
which is like it becomes a spectacle but man people can get seriously injured
you can especially but
then also the thing is like does it make you more durable i think it does
prevent you i think it does
man because just one that right off the top of my head when bigfoot silva was
trt or whatever he was
on right he was so durable so him and mark hunt had those crazy fights but when
he got off he started
getting knocked out right you know but there's also the switch there's
something that happens when
you've had a certain amount of concussions where another another guy that comes
to mind remember eric
silva yeah welterweight was huge dude whenever they started doing the usada
stuff he was getting
knocked out and just wasn't himself he didn't look the same he melted i wonder
what the like medical
reason for that is but i i think it has something to do with confidence and
like self-belief with the
testosterone they just i think that's a big part of it it's definitely a part
of it but also there's
a part of it your vitality you're just more durable i mean when you're jacked
up on testosterone you're
it's just more durable yeah everything about you is more alistair's a great
example of that like animal
mode man yeah man dude i i think alistair over him when he was ubering i think
that is the best argument
for trt ever looked like a superhero bro when he was in k1 and he was shelling
up how are you getting
through that how are you getting through that you know how small he was though
back in k1 he was
like a 205 or 185. well no and pride pride pride when he was fighting at light
heavyweight when chuck
knocked him out yeah liddell knocked him out when he was a legit light heavyweight
and he was skinny
yeah and young and skinny he just decided time to get big yeah look at him back
then when he fought
shogun still pretty jacked though oh yeah man he was shredded he was shredded
but he was a shredded
light heavyweight you know he i think he's a vegan now look at that come on son
come on that's ribeyes
that ain't vegan right go back to that other one that's what i'm talking about
i mean that's what a
ufc heavyweight champion's supposed to look like hell yeah come on son i mean
put that on the put that on
the white house card not just that but highly skilled for sure he wasn't just
jacked he was
highly i mean there's a k1 grand prix champion i mean that dude was the cream
of the crop at
kickboxing he was the cream of the crop in mma and he even won the abu dhabi
european trials as a
pure grappler yeah people don't know about that about allister his grappling is
is high level very he had
one of the best guillotines in the game like allister in his prime when when he
went over and he fought uh
brett cooper over in uh was it burt cooper who do you know who do you fight in
strike force
like brett rogers brett rogers that's right sorry i'm thinking of the heavyweight
boxer
burt cooper burt cooper who fought uh he had some crazy wars with um with uh evander
evander holyfield
i think vander's down in south florida too now i don't remember cooper he was a
really it was he was
a tank he was a tank he was a super jack guy but brett rogers when he fought
allister allister like
immediately hit him with a low kick and you could tell he was like what is this
yeah like it was a
different kind of low kick because you're dealing with the tree trunks of allister
with perfect technique
and that guy was as good a kickboxer as has ever entered into mma and when he
was saucy he was a
problem yeah he was a real problem speaking of kickboxers from that era coming
to mma dude didn't
gokansaki come over oh yeah i thought he was going to do you know so much
better but he's he was older he
was older and he was at a time where it's like you know he had had so many
fights in k1 you know he had
he had so many wars and he fought khalil when you know khalil's fast yeah and i
mean good kickboxing
real good kickboxing style clear cracked him in the first round and knocked him
out yeah yeah which was
a big fight for khalil because you know gokhan was the turkish tyson was coming
over here you know
it was one of those guys like merkel krokop was like an elite kickboxer who's
entering into mma and
everybody always gets excited about that obviously pereira is the best example
of that yeah yeah
but he was a guy i knew i told everybody i was like that guy's gonna be a
nightmare for everybody
because there's something about him man i don't know what the hell is going on
with his bone structure
his dna and his intelligence like he figures out that other people didn't like
the way he threw that low
kick like the way he throws that calf kick with zero towel no turning of the
hips
like he up guys calves better than anybody on the planet we had like a huge
rush of the calf kick i
saw it for like a year and a half two years everybody was doing it now it's
kind of fading away i've
noticed that it is but not with him it's not with elite guys guys that are
really good at it it does so
much damage man so quickly crazy and it's so much it's less commitment so you're
not giving you don't
have to turn your hips over as much so wrestlers aren't grabbing singles as
easy i remember your
fight with jim miller it's just oh dude tore me up yeah that was that was one
of the first examples of
calf kicks being really dangerous and i've never felt it before and and i'm a
southpaw so they land good
calf kicks you'd have to fight another southpaw right and that doesn't happen
too often especially
with one who's throwing those so i didn't know what kind of black magic he was
doing bro i was like
i got a i got a flat tire what is going on what is this i know you know isn't
it crazy that it took
that long for people to figure that out ben henderson was a guy doing it early
but it wasn't
that effective for some reason yeah he was doing it but it wasn't having the
devastating damage i'm
trying to think of who's the first guy to really edson barbosa would do it
every now and then
trying to think of somebody who really brought it over bro it's made its way
into kickboxing now
it's because they were saying like the muay thai guys are not susceptible to
calf kicks and everybody
was saying that i was like that doesn't make a lot of sense to me they are
light on their front foot
so that front foot is they are but there's times where they have to plant like
when they're throwing
a right kick there's a guy named yuki yoza yuki yoza who fights for one he's a
kyokushin guy and he's
fucking everybody up with calf kicks yeah he he fights like high guard tight
inside and again no pivot of the
hips he's essentially throwing his calf kick almost like he's kicking a soccer
ball straight up the
middle that's that's the way i like to do it as well just clip the top of the
calf there's no
commitment you don't have to pivot your hips or plant to turn you can just snap
it out like a jab
yeah well a great example of the changing of technique was you in that connor
fight yeah calf over and over
and over and it was also southpaw versus exactly same thing you just destroyed
that calf yeah and you
could tell he didn't know what to do because as good as he was and as many
fights as he had two division
world champion he hadn't been calf kicked right which is a crazy transition
when you see like the history
of the sport that is one of the clear differenti the like the differentiation
that's another word that's
fake that's the clear line in the sand where the techniques changed yeah and it's
one of those things like
before it happened to me i saw it and i was like ah it might be uncomfortable
and but until it happens
then you have a different respect for it so connor probably learned a lot that
fight man like oh this
is real calf kicks are for real what's that it's just one shot that's what's
crazy about it because a
thigh kick like you can get a hard thigh kick and your leg goes dead for a
couple seconds but it comes
back yeah whereas calves don't really come back that quick they explained it to
me at the hospital
after the gemmiller thing apparently your calf doesn't have the chambers for
the fluid to drain
so that's why it gets compartment oh compartment that's that's why it's so
painful because it you
can't like go out through the swelling can't go out through your whole leg so
it sits in one pocket
and fills up and it's just uncomfortable it can stop nerves and do you ever see
what happened to
austin hubbard dude that's what they wanted to do after the gemmiller fight
they wanted to cut me at
the uh it's like no way no fillet you to release the pressure well another guy
uriah faber when he
fought jose aldo his leg blew up like a balloon yeah apparently if it gets that
bad compartment
syndrome and the swelling is bad enough for long enough you can lose function
of your ankle and foot
yeah which is crazy right right well uriah was one of the first guys to
implement um uh going into um
what why can't i think of it the chamber oxygen chamber hyperbaric hyperbaric
what's wrong with
me today i'm making up fake words can't come up with things that i know but he
was uh using the
hyperbaric like exclusively to recover from that and documenting it and i was
like oh that's interesting
a lot of good uh brain benefits for hyperbaric i don't have one i've done it
before but it's never
been like a routine thing well it's you have to have access to it and also the
tints the zip up tints at
home not as strong yeah you need a solid you know you need like one of those
propane tank ones those big
thick walled ones the glass like it's yeah really good high pressure yeah yeah
and then you know you
got to be careful in those things you can't no sparks yeah dude i saw a story
that a kid was in one and
you saw that that was a couple years horrible yeah horrible story yeah um but
hyperbaric is awesome for
recovery it's also it lengthens there's a protocol that developed one of the
universities in israel
developed it where you do uh 60 sessions over 90 days and it lengthens your telomeres
that's
commensurate with i think it's like a 20-year difference in your biological age
wow it's nuts
it's super effective like when you get a lot of oxygen into your system like
that it just helps
everything recover for sure like if you have an aura ring or a whoop strap and
you go into one of those
things it shows you yeah it's like oh you have an amazing recovery day yeah man
the metrics we can
track now with all the wearable devices it's pretty awesome dude well it gets
you to understand like i
think you can get a little addicted to those things for sure i i so when i was
competing i stopped using
them because every day wasn't ready need to rest red red red every day so when
i retired i got back to it
now i'm using them but like when you're training for a fight you can't isn't
that interesting i'm not
taking two days off i need a train and the fight's coming up like if i'm in the
red zone i still need
to train i know isn't that interesting like there's a wearable device would
tell you you're not supposed
to train but yet you know in order to reach mma peak physical condition you
have to push when you're
not ready so your body's forced to recover quicker i know this guy's training
that's why i got rid of it
during camp i don't use it or didn't use it well it's weird because like what
if you listened to it
like some people say like terrence crawford was talking about like there's
times where he wanted
to push where his coaches told him not to and then he realized they were right
yeah maturing through
fighting man pulling back got easier as i got older when i was a younger
fighter i didn't want to take any
time off i needed to be as many reps as much time on the mats as possible but
as i got to like mid 30s
36 i was like you know this is i got to take days off complete days complete
days not just an easy
day or a technique day i just need to be out of the gym just relax yeah reset
my mind to where i want
to be there just hard for fighters because you operate on momentum of the
conditioning and the
training the discipline it's like you're in there and then to have a day where
you're not you feel
like you're slipping backwards right and you show up to fight week with that
momentum like i did
everything i could i bust a mass every day like it just gives you so much
energy and so much
confidence going into fight week you've turned over every stone yeah yeah yeah
well the worst thing
though is seeing a fighter fight flat because you know they're over-trained
yeah and the one thing
that i always point to is when um tim kennedy fought kelvin gaslam and he had
gone through two solid
camps in a row so he went through one camp peaked got ready for the fight and
then the fight got
canceled and then went right back into camp for to train for gastelum and didn't
give himself the
chance to recover and you know he's too tough yeah too tough too disciplined
and his body broke down
you're redlining that engine over and over and over i mean we just saw with mirab
i think you know not
that taking anything away from jan but you know you stay that busy those kind
of fights those training
camps i mean it's hard to do that's what makes things like john jones could be
so impressive to me man
to get on top and stay on top that long you know yeah i know it's nuts there's
so few guys have been
able to do that especially in mma too many variables too many ways to slip on a
banana peel get caught
in something you know i know i kind of love that khabib went out on top and
never came back respect
that's awesome and they offered him a lot of money to come back he's like nope
yeah nope good for him
man yeah good for him yeah that's the way to do it and then you go out all your
faculties everything's
fine undefeated go down a legend right yeah like i think floyd should have did
it you know like
that now he's fucking fighting mike tyson dude come on man i know there was
some rumors around that
floyd was going to have a rematch with connor which is crazy but i think connor
would probably
do it especially if there weren't any drug testing involved i wonder if he's
going to come back it
for sure yeah but man to heal from an injury like he had you probably need a
bunch of stuff to i don't
know the ins and outs of that but you probably need some help to heal he
definitely needed some help to
heal the problem is once you get used to that help and you enjoy it yeah i'm
getting used to the help
i know that's what i thought about cowboy when he got jacked and then he was
like he's gonna
and he he slimmed back down again he said he was gonna fight again but i think
he might have
abandoned that i got hooked up with brigham and ways to well they did all my
blood when i retired
and got me i turned down no testosterone for me so i'm not on any testosterone
i just don't want to
mess up my natural production because mine wasn't high but it wasn't low i'm
just scared to mess with
it you know yeah you don't need it and it's peptides 37 can do a lot for you
yeah i'm on a bunch of
peptides yeah peptides are the way to go and i feel great honestly i wish i
could have been on this
when i was fighting man i know you know especially like the growth hormone
releasing stuff like like
tesla morelin exactly like i could see i could have pushed hard every day man
as i got older it got
harder man i know and all it does is help your body recover it's not like it
gives you some sort of a
performance enhancing boost i know it definitely helps with like fat mobilization
and and stuff
like that but just being able to push hard every day is huge in fighting man
but just bpc 157 which
offers no performance enhancing but would help you heal soft tissue injuries
because you're getting
injured you're just getting small injuries every day training every time you
get leg kicked every time
you get punched in the stomach arm bar shoulder everything everything your
joints are always messed up
always yeah always and if you wanted fighters to perform better something that
would allow them to
heal better is only good and it's not it's not going to make you run faster it's
not going to make you
jump higher it's not going to make you an uber-eam we're not talking about that
and i'm not even sure
if that's banned i haven't checked it is bbc 157's wow yeah i mean unfortunate
yeah creatine protein
protein powders that's the same stuff you just recover better well i don't
understand why creatine's not
banned thank god but creatine in the 1990s were thought of the same way as
steroids right yeah yeah i
remember people thought like creatine's cheating oh my god you're taking creatine
they they literally put
it in the same category as stuff and then they realized oh it's actually a part
of food great for
your brain good for you great for everything yeah you know i just talked i just
talked my wife into
starting creatine women needed more than men i was reading right you know i
read that so my wife's
just started yeah yeah i think the key is to like make sure you're hydrated too
and make sure you're
not taking too much of it and make sure you get your blood checked and so you're
not putting a lot of
pressure on your kidneys yeah but like dehydration and kidneys that like that
is one of the big things
that happens to a lot of fighters that cut a lot of weight they start getting
kidney stones
i mean jose aldo dealt with that uh dc famously got pulled out of the olympics
oh yeah yeah because
he was having kidney failure yeah yeah your kidneys man they don't like you
being drained out like that
i've had a few weight cuts where i felt pain in my back and i think that's
kidneys 100 man kidney
shots didn't happen often but i've definitely had it tightness it feels kind of
like cramping in a
weird place you never had before in your back that's spooky you're drying out
your organs and then
fighting for your life crazy 24 hours it was nice though when i started making
it to the top of the
cards co-main event main event because then you have like 30 something hours to
rehydrate if you're
fighting early prelims in vegas right two or three in the afternoon right you
know it's right not too
long especially back in the day when weigh-ins were at five or six p.m there
wasn't a morning in
ceremonial the real weigh-ins were at five and you're gonna fight at two the
next day yeah those were nuts
that was crazy yeah it was crazy when guys would like shuffle to the scale for
the real weigh-in
you'd see them all like like a skeleton and you're facing off with your
opponent trying to be tough
like both dying well i always remember jose aldo versus connor connor looked
like he was one of the
walking dead yeah he looked like a zombie he was so skinny his face bones yeah
see if you can find that
and he was also crazy like yeah like flexing he's always crazy hyped up with no
like no body fat no
water just completely dehydrated like look at that look at that the eyes eyes
sunken in that is nuts
that guy weighed 145 and he probably weighed 170 or at least 165 when he got
into the actual octagon
that day i want if he does come back i wonder what he's going to come back at
like lightweight or welter
well the real key is if if i mean he's had a lot of opportunities and i don't
know i thought the
i thought the uh chandler fight was a layup for him that's the fight a great
matchup for him
great fight technically it's a great fight stylistically it's a great fight age-wise
chandler's got to be what 39 now he's up there 38 or 39 yeah i mean and then
there's the hype of the
ultimate fighter true but it's just a layup for connor chandler's hittable
covers distance not that
technically you know huge movements right you jump in you get carried out connor's
a sniper man i just
think that's a great matchup for him it's also a great matchup for chandler
because he doesn't get
tired and he gets that you know because he sat out for two years waiting on uh-huh
it's also like
remember him with oliveira even in the third round that dude is carrying oliveira
up and throwing him
through the air and body slamming him while he's on his back yeah like the
dudes has he has incredible
durance and incredible discipline he's always fit yeah and that's been connor's
achilles heel is that
connor he's so explosive and so fast that if you're sprinting in that first
round guaranteed you're
not going to have that same kind of energy in the fifth round yeah but some
guys are just designed like
that you know you saw tyron woodley's a guy who has huge explosion but they don't
necessarily keep that
for for 25 minutes but on the opposite side of that you got a guy like nate diaz
who keep that same
pace from round one to five round 30. yeah that dude right out of a cannon you
know and then slow down
just the way muscles and fibers are put you know connected i don't know what
does that to a human
well the only guys that figured out how to fight with all that bulk and just is
like yoel romero
he fought very smart it was just like calm still fighting still fighting dude
still fighting 50 years
old jacked more jack than ever yeah 48 years old 49 years old with abs looking
like a super
athlete i think he's doing bare knuckle maybe yeah he did bare knuckle he did
dirty boxing
there's a there's a fight where he had in dirty boxing where he's he's touching
the dude up and then
out of nowhere he just leaps up into the air he does like a vertical he is like
this five foot vertical
yeah lands on his feet and just starts putting on dude like i'm tired of this
let me show you what i
could really do i've had fun playing with the food i've had fun he's a crazy he's
been on the mats a
bunch at american top team as well and uh just a freak athlete man freak he's
the freak of all freaks
just a freak athlete yeah i mean he came out of that cuban they build them
different over there yeah they
build them with science yeah yeah but he also figured out how to pace himself
you know he figured out how to like explode out of nowhere but not explode the
entire time
like he had this casual almost he would lull you into a false sense of security
and then just pounce
on you right like that knee he hit with weideman with dude that was a perfect
example perfect example
because you're getting used to this kind of pace and then you're getting into
the rhythm and then you
just break it up but also he didn't fight like obviously he's a wrestler he
didn't wrestle too
too hard and really gas himself out he fought smart to to do what he's good at
explode rarely used his
wrestling in mma which is so crazy yeah it's really crazy if you think about
how good of a wrestler he
was right because he's one of the best wrestlers to ever compete in mma i mean
that dude was elite
as a wrestler and in mma he's just starching people yeah when luke rockhold and
starched luke like that
was crazy luke's another guy still fighting i think i think he might be done
now you know when he got
knocked out by darren till in the boxing i think oh yeah yeah i think that
might be it and darren till's
got a resurgence man as a boxer he looks fucking fantastic i saw the highlights
of that but i
haven't seen a whole bro he looks real good he looks he's always been a good
striker very good
striker and his achilles heel has been his knees you know he's had some serious
knee problems and it
really impeded him from being able to train hard he wasn't the best grappler in
the world and so that
was always his problem but as a striker i mean that guy was like very very good
and you're seeing him
now in boxing like he's making a real run i think it's very interesting because
if you watch him box
rockhold and you realize like rockhold's a really good striker but against darren
till he looked like
he had no business in there yeah that's something i would like to do man box
still i always wanted to
have a couple before i've you know but i'm still under contract even though i'm
retired i still have a
contract with the ufc so do you think the ufc would let you out or they have zufa
boxing dude so they
trust me i already pitched it to him did you me and nadia zufa boxing let's go
let's go 170
whatever 168 super middleweight let's do it they don't want any crossover what
they i think zufa
wants to be taken as a serious hate money they must hate money they hate money
they hate money why do
they hate money i don't know they want to be taken by the boxing world serious
and i think if you open
that door of a mma guy fighting under zufa boxing every guy on the roster every
girl on the
roster is going to want to do the same it just becomes a mess i think i don't
know about that
yeah i don't think it's a mess i think there are some really fun mma boxing
matchups you can make
yes yes especially when guys get older and you know you don't want to go
through the training camp with
wrestling and leg kicks and all that that's the thing like thinking about a
boxing training camp dude
with no grappling no wrestling just run condition and box it would be smooth
sailing dude i love it
yeah funny i'm on the beach as tough as boxing is like for you like oh this is
gonna be i only have
to box that's great yeah honestly man at training camp those are my favorite
days striking sparring
is my favorite days like the wrestling classes two hour mako on monday it's
like brutal bro well it'd be
great for you because you've always had great hands like for you that's a
perfect well i started i started
boxing before mixed martial arts you know that would be a perfect way for you
to get some other fights
in i don't understand zufa yeah i would just love to lace them up and and box
professionally once i know
they want to like redo boxing and i know they want to like and i think there's
probably some real merit
there obviously what the saudis have done with riad season has been amazing you
know making matchups that
no one can make i'm a big connor bent fan too man i'm excited to see him fight
in zufa and the guy's
fighting is from new orleans like i know the guy like you know it's it's fun it
is exciting and it will
definitely i think they will elevate boxing and dana is throwing all of his
cards into that so i'm sure
it's going to work yeah i'm glad we're seeing more boxing zufa boxing and less
power slap on my feed
whenever i go to online stuff you know yeah i'm not a big fan i've never been
the one but man it's just
not my not my jam yeah when we when i fought my retirement in new orleans mike
brown went to the
power slap they had there and he said it was awesome in person oh sure it's
awesome to watch someone get
slapped but like i'm not interested i watch it on my phone every now and then i'll
see i mean the highlights
are good enough you see the knockouts and the crazy stuff but it's great tick
tock content
for sure you know you watch someone get slapped and they they go forward and
their head hits the desk
and they fall backwards but it's like it's a concussion you're watching and you
can't there's
no defense there's no like you can't flinch or you get it's penalty if you do
that's crazy
that don't make any sense to me i don't i don't get it but i think they've
missed out on the
opportunity to have a muay thai league that's what i think america just doesn't
buy into it that big i don't
think that's true no no no i just think that well i mean one one is doing it on
amazon and
yeah you know but it's like who's watching amazon that's the problem yeah you
have a show on amazon
like i know guys who've released comedy specials on amazon like good luck
finding it nobody cares
that's just the reality of this platform whatever i mean look amazon is a
phenomenal platform for buying
stuff i love it for buying things i use it all the time every week it's great
for buying books audio
books it's great for buying products but for watching content it's kind of a
mess they had a
couple big shows like the marvelous mrs mazel and the terminal list those are
great shows and those
brought a lot of people over there but i mean you know how big the terminal
list would have been if
it was on netflix as big as it was on amazon more people watch netflix for sure
than ever are
ever going to watch anything on this one that's why what jake's doing with the
netflix and bringing
boxing and boxing and mate there like it's it's big man it's big so many people
are going to be watching
this 100 but i think that if one was somewhere else i think it would have been
there you go
on the way here today what yeah yeah that got announced this morning an mma
fight that's what
that yeah it's the third fight on that card that's the rousey card yeah wow
interesting that's very
interesting that's very interesting that's a good fight dude you said a lot of
people don't go to
amazon to watch tv i just i just went down a rabbit hole for weeks because i
have a newborn
at home so i did the night shift and i ran out of shit to watch on netflix and
on hulu
how do you run out of shit to watch on netflix you're staying up till 4 a.m
every night with a
baby boy is like hours of documentaries hours of stuff i switched over to
amazon and it was like a whole
new world man well there's a lot on there it's just they don't have the same
viewers like our podcast
is on amazon the numbers that we get from amazon compared to everywhere else is
so small
yeah it's just the reality of the way they've sort of marketed it and amazon
prime video just doesn't
have the audience that everything else does right and it's such a big platform
you think it would be
crossover from i think it's a mistake on their part because the the the product
side is so big
and like amazon for buying stuff is so big that it's almost like an afterthought
and they have some
money in it but not the same sort of focus also the interface when i've gone to
it is a little weird
it's hard to find things it's not as simple like the interface on netflix is
like the algorithm's
great it's really good at recommending you things it knows what you like it
shows you things it's easy
to find things for sure amazon's like a little tricky you go there and you're
like what but see the one
fc thing faces the same problem the pfl has like look pfl is on espn plus you
would imagine pfl would get the
same sort of audience that the ufc got but it doesn't no of course not because
the ufc brand is
like nfl like the machine it's just yeah they they own that space but the
fights on one fc are
amazing like especially the muay thai fights with the small gloves oh my god
man and i was trying to
pitch this to dana so i started sending dana he goes send me some so i started
sending him all these
like high level muay thai fights and high level kickboxing fights and they're
phenomenal look
he didn't like the charles oliveira this excuse me this max holloway charles
oliveira fight he didn't
like it like the bmf fight the fight wasn't that good i was like i thought it
was a great fight it
was impressive if you were a fan of technique and a fan of how hard it is to do
that to somebody like
max like super impressive and i was a fan of max's defense i mean oliveira was
on his back in the first
round a lot of people were first finished first minute and a half yes you know
dry right i got finished
there yeah i mean i think oliveira is one of the greatest submission artists
that ever competed in the
sport yeah not the best numbers i mean numbers prove it yeah and against elite
guys like you and like
justin and like he's and then gamrod dude gamrod is i trained with him for
years he's a wrestler
but his grappling is incredible man he got tied up in knots with oliveira yeah
oliveira is a nightmare
i knew it could happen but i didn't think it would be that i was stunned too i
was like god he's good
he's so good on the ground so like props to max for surviving but if data didn't
like it so i started
sending him for the i mean when you have the title the bmf like you want to see
some violence
i understand but it's still just a fight you can't fight outside of your just
because of bmf
belts on the line you can't go out swinging for the fences but i get it i get
what you're saying
yeah but i mean on the feet i think oliveira was winning on the feet dude he
hurt max in the first
i think he hurt him in the fifth well he definitely hurt him in the fifth when
they did the point down
the ground yeah and then he cracked him and rocked him oliver he's fucking good
he is man he is he's
just known we put the label on the grappler because he's finished so many guys
and so many bonuses but
he can strike man he's good everywhere like with the chandler fight he almost
gets finished in the first
round comes back and hits with a clean left hook in the second yeah he's
fucking good man yeah knocked
him out even when i fought him like he he did a good job of picking where the
fight happened he wouldn't
fight me in boxing range it was either all the way in clinch or out where he
was keeping my body
staying long kicking range or clinching range is kind of where he fought me the
times i did have
success was in the boxing range but he didn't let that happen you know just
shows you how good ilia
deporia is god damn that dude dude i love justin i love i'm a fan i don't like
this matchup for him
well you know what i mean justin knows what he's getting into and it's hard to
count that dude out
he's such an animal yeah he can land the shot but and it's in the white house
who knows who knows what's
gonna happen but that dude has the touch of death yeah he has the touch of
death and he's not a big
guy i've never seen him in person but i was talking to somebody recently they
said nice five seven you
know he's small man he's not big yeah i mean there's a photo of me standing
next to him when we did the
podcast we're standing next to you he's much smaller than me and bro he puts
people into the shadow realm
yeah it's just technique and confidence his confidence is crazy he had a he had
a victory
party for the olivera fight the night before drinking wine i saw that so i don't
think he was drinking
one i think he was drinking water the night before but he has drank wine in
weigh-ins yeah when he's
getting ready to weigh in uh or what is the weight cut he's he only did that
for two camps he told me
though he said it's too much i was like hung over the next day like what am i
doing right and you're
about to get your brain beat up you're dehydrating your drink come on well i
think he's dehydrating
himself and he's said the wine actually helps you get dehydrated yeah alcohol
definitely does
yeah which is but it's nobody does that nobody drinks wine for the weigh-ins
that's crazy and like
i'm so i'm not drinking anything i'm so depleted by that time you know i know
and he's getting hammered
lucky and winning world championships well it was only two fights he did that
for so it became like
something where people were pretending he does it every way and he's got all
these young fighters out
there in the world drinking on one day i'm gonna be like the champ man yeah but
he's he's he's crazy
talented for sure for sure whatever it is he has it yeah he has it he's got it
in his mind he's got
in his technique his grappling's fun i watched a video of him grappling with
marab and he was all over
marab and that's crazy that's what they say his grappling's just as good if not
better than his
his stand-up that's where he started i've never seen him grapple though well he
finished um
bryce mitchell on the ground and uh he's he's finished a few people on the
ground he's he's like he does
clearly have phenomenal submission ability what are you showing me here what is
this him he says he's
done it for a long time yeah you can see his face is already sucked in a little
bit he said that when
he was on the podcast though that he only did it twice three years ago that's
hilarious he's all tipsy and
drunk look i tell this to young there's no right i mean obviously don't smoke
crack before a fight
there's no right or wrong way everybody's different whatever makes you feel
comfortable to perform and
compete like everybody's different if there was a cookie cutter perfect way to
work everybody would
do it look at carlos brontes yeah exactly smoking cigarettes like the day of
the fight he's sitting
there smoking marlboro reds darts who was the boxer everybody up back in the
day oh yeah mayorga
mayorga carter mayorga yes yes he was smoking cigarettes yeah drinking uh carlos
drinking whiskey
smoking cigs like he's like going out there in a party and always going to
people up respect
yeah i mean he's gonna fight is he fighting jack de la maddalena is that the
fight i'm not sure i
believe that's the fight in perth that is a very good fight yeah a tough one
for jack to come back to
man i was in i was in uh msg when when islam took the belt from him dude
complete domination well that's
another guy like how good is that guy and ilio was talking about fighting him
too you know the size
difference would be so big so big islam is huge he's huge he's huge he's too
big for 55 and then
you see him at 170 like how did you ever make 55 right right because he's so
dominant at 170.
yeah hunter uh from the ufc i was in his office not too long ago and i they
keep record of all the
weights fight night they don't release them all but they keep it and we were
talking about the islam
fight when i fought islam and he was telling me his weight i was like that's
anyway 192 or something
i think the day of the fight i think so yeah that's something 190 191 something
around there that's
crazy i was 176. that's great but it looks like it in the cage like whenever i
know i looked across
under those spotlights and they had veins in his shoulders and i'm like this
guy's huge
the ones where i'm like how gregory rodriguez is the one where i'm like how
yeah how how how are
you 185 how you're 6 3 you're built like a greek god how how do you ever weigh
185 how is that even
possible whenever i interview him i'm like how right because i'm standing next
to you and i'm like that
doesn't make any sense like this doesn't you're not a 185 pound guy you're huge
like in his prime when
luke rocko was a champion he's huge huge huge huge 185 yeah yo romero's the the
best example like how
how are you 185 build like an anvil dude solid all the way through when he came
in to do the podcast
and joey diaz translated for him he was like 230. yeah just like his neck
starts at the top of his head
just just a tank and shredded always no no jiggle dude shredded always veins in
his abs like crazy yeah and
he was he was talking about the cuban program i'll never forget it was like
talking about like
how they have the the lower level guys only eat twice a day but the the top
level guys eat three
times a day and so everybody is competing literally for food crazy you say that
in angola prison in
louisiana there's a boxing league if you're on the boxing league and get
accepted into it you get
more meals and stuff so the same thing these these prisoners are like trying
their best to stay on this
boxing league you get more meals more time more free time wow they actually
fight other prisons man
whoa i was thinking this would be a great documentary to come out with that
would be a
great document and it's cctv to the other prisons so other prisons can watch in
their cells
whoa they bus them to angola other prisons in louisiana they box they put out a
schedule
every year if you ever want to go to one it's invite only but i i'd rather
watch at home it's
bro it feels it feels illegal dude it feels illegal well it might not be legal
in other states yeah it
might not be legal in louisiana i might be getting in trouble for saying this
is anybody any good hell
yeah yeah i think bernard hopkins came out of jail i mean the guy obviously tyson
beat him but the black
rhino was an angola boxing prisoner who got out or pardoned to fight mike tyson
really yeah yeah yeah
wow that's crazy i did not know that so did they have a program where they have
coaches and
they have to do they have equipment and everything wow and different according
to the schedule they'll
bus them to the other prisons to fight and it's played through all the prisons
in louisiana man you
find a highly skilled guy who's in that program and they let them go bro
nothing to lose the refs
they're legitimate refs but they let the fights go man what kind of nutrition
are they getting though
they're getting prison food yeah or they get any better food no prison food but
they get more meals
they get to eat extra still terrible food right yeah yeah angola's a crazy
crazy prison man
grow all the food there make all the clothes there they grow their food there
yeah so maybe
self-sustaining self-sustaining i'm sure they ship a bunch of stuff in but they
do have crops
and it's such a big operation that uh the guards and the staff live on the
prison grounds there's a
elementary school really yeah there's the worker the guards kids and stuff go
to school on the
grounds it's it's wild man oh that can't be good it's wild every october they
have a the rodeo there
article about that boxing association from 2011 some photos and an interview
with some people i think
that were part of it well you want to focus you know women weakened legs ain't
no women in there
dog hell no that's crazy yeah serious business man i did not know that that's
nuts man yeah how come no
one's there a documentary on this or have they i know well b hop was a prison
boxer in philly right
yeah yeah yeah this would be a great documentary man interesting yeah bernard
learned i mean i mean
learned like real discipline in prison and also learned that he never wants to
go back no you know which
is as important and i think angola's like maximum security so you don't go
there if you have less
than like 25 years or something so these guys are in there for a long time just
trying to find things
to do and boxing eating extra getting more free time why wouldn't you do it
also get in shape keeps
you focused you have something to concentrate on other than the fact that you're
in jail yeah yeah
it was wild bro they set up a ring like in a cafeteria i went there once to
watch it it was
it was insane it felt like i was doing something wrong it felt like i was doing
something wrong
were the guys good yeah some of them were good man wow really good wow
of what is that's interesting they pardoned that guy who's there's titles too
they have belts the black
rhino cliff clifford maybe uh atn yes yes that's right that's so he was in
prison boxing in angola
and he fought tyson wow no yeah i mean why not man at least it gives them
something to focus on the
idea is like oh you're going to make a more dangerous felon bro they're
dangerous yeah they're
dangerous they're in there for murder what do you think what do you think they're
in there for armed
robbery murder like let them fight right doing life like right exactly like
also we're trying to
pretend that that's not going to improve the quality of their life and improve
them as a human being
like doing something difficult even if it's difficult and violent like fighting
will make
you a better human being for sure make you tougher smarter more disciplined
more focused also release
all the aggression there so you don't have aggression in like regular altercations
nearly as much
yeah that's where i'm at right now like leaving fighting in the rear view is
like what do i do with
my life now are you still doing that dude i've been traveling so much twice a
week maybe you know if
i'm home on friday i do open magic jitsu a couple kickboxing classes if i can
make it but i've just
been traveling so much man why have you been traveling so much sponsors
appearances cornering buddies like
just saying yes to everything that i couldn't before you know right i'm more
busy now i think because
before i would shut everything down like i gotta get ready for this fight i
have to focus on this no i can't do
anything black out these dates now it's like you're really good on the desk man
i enjoy man i really
do you can tell yeah i mean i think that's one of the best things that the ufc
does with uh former
fighters is they give them this opportunity to do stuff on the desk i think
that's huge i i hope they
keep bringing me i just signed a contract for the year um when it was espn i
was kind of doing like
independence contractor stuff they would ask me i would say yes but i'm on
contract with ufc for a year so
hopefully they keep bringing me man i all the people behind the scenes just
being around the
event that i've you know i've fought at for so long it just makes me feel good
yeah and i get nervous
because it's live tv you can't up uh-huh you know live tv is different well i
would like to see they
allow more of you guys to take the the spots doing fights in commentary oh like
color yeah yeah i mean
right now it's just dominic cruz paul felder michael bisping and dc that's
essentially it yeah i mean
those those only former fighters from the ufc that are doing it and i really
think there's room for
more guys yeah dan hardy was great yeah he was awesome at it yeah he was i don't
know what the
happened with him in the ufc they had some sort of a squabble and he left but
he's fantastic over at pfl
he's still with them yeah yeah yeah he does that he's really good man he's he
breaks stuff down he's
very good yeah very good and he's a great guy i've known him forever he was a
10th planet jiu-jitsu
guy so i've known him since like i must have met him 20 years ago wow yeah i
didn't know that yeah
before he was fighting gsp before he's fighting any of those guys i knew him
yeah he would come over from
england to train in america he was such a knockout artist we never really get
to see him right do
jiu-jitsu yeah no he was good at jiu-jitsu too man i mean he trained hard and
he's just a very smart
dude who knows a lot about the sport yeah it seems like when he's breaking down
stuff you can tell he's
studied he's also just like a very skillful commentator because he's very
intelligent in his
the way he describes things it's exciting i mean i think he's they i don't know
what happened with
them and when i'm on the desk with those guys i try my best to not break things
down too much
like on the stat side i try to make it seem like a conversation sitting on the
couch watching fights
with your boys where i talk about experiences that i've had and stuff because
they explained it to me
like that's what fans want to see if they want to look up stats they'll go look
it up they don't want
to hear you talk about submission attempts and exact stats they want to know
your experience yeah so like
each rep i think i'm getting better you know open it up and being more myself i'm
trying to do a
good job man i really really enjoy it i think stats are interesting sometimes
but what's really more
important than that is like a technical breakdown of abilities right because
stats it's you know it's
variable depending on who you're fighting like like you take charles olivera
stats and then you say his
fight with islam makachev and you say okay well where's the stats like it's it's
like it's really
dependent upon skill sets who's your level of competition who you're competing
with yeah you know what i mean
that was a quick submission though the stats are one submission to tilt one
submission bro he's got
a crushing squeeze it's different yeah yeah he strangled me and the way he did
it i think he uh
moicano filled in last minute to fight islam and got caught with the same choke
it's kind of like a
dars choke but he locks it on his forearm yeah he doesn't go to the bicep i
know and the squeeze is
different he's pulling to his chest it's not like a angled squeeze it's it's
different so the defense is
different when i got my legs out and tried to walk around he hooked my leg but
like the squeeze is
completely different completely different you know you belly down and kind of
get some space to
breathe you can't when the way he does it craig jones broke it down it's like a
front choke almost
like a mm-hmm like a squeeze to your chest it's not an angle that you use for a
normal dars choke i
know i was shocked the first time i saw him do it i was like maybe he just like
couldn't cinch up the
bicep then i saw him do it a second time i was like no no no this guy's trying
to do it that way
he grabs right yes yeah yeah and like tregg jones did an awesome breakdown of
it on youtube where
explains why it's effective and what's so good about it and it when he gets the
grip locked in like it's
complete immediate blood shutdown you know usually you feel it slowly fading
away it was like come right
away wow so that dude's got a back like that's the whole start drive-through
movie on the the
darkness started coming in like as soon as he got the grip really yeah he's so
strong man
there's like something about those dagestan guys man like the discipline those
motherfuckers have
yeah you know there's dagestan guys that are making their way into muay thai
now too
there's this dude asadula imangazaleev i talk about him all the time but i can't
talk about him
enough he's one of those one fc guys that is fighting um in muay thai from dagestan
and this kid is 22 years old and he's knocking out like multiple time world thai
champions i've never
seen him bro this dude is a freak i mean he's a he's just putting people into
the shadow realm every
fight dude it's so wild to fight four ounce gloves in muay thai i know but i
mean you could throw elbows
and stuff and knees so it it's perfect it's like four ounce gloves i mean look
you're throwing elbows
knees everything else in the clinch it allows you to grapple better it just
makes it so much more
dangerous for the blocking you know you don't have the the gloves covering all
the space around your
ears but this cat is special man he's special nasty and he's from dagestan it's
like okay
imagine this gets into mma everybody's if this guy can wrestle at all which
you know he can if he's from dagestan well they do a lot of kickboxing for sambo
right yeah
this dude's something though he's something new oh my god because he's 22 years
old and he's like
world muay thai champions he's sleeping them all yeah it's nuts man what weight
is that uh 145.
i think he's 145 or 35 145 probably tall tall lean 132 is that what it says
this thing right here says uh
on screen weight limit 132.7 interesting 510. interesting 60 kilograms yeah 22
years old man
well at that weight well and then you think about one has some crazy thing look
at this win knockout win
knockout win knockout he's a freak man and that one dude that made it to the
unanimous decision is this
this kid from morocco who's just tough as but god damn he took a beating they
have such a great product
man i wonder how many like viewers and how the ratings are i mean it's big in
asia but um there they
have financial struggles i don't want to speak to it because i don't know
enough but there's a lot of talk
i know they wanted to start doing shows in america they've done a few yeah uh i
know they did one in
colorado they maybe have done multiple i'm not aware but uh it's a great
product that's the thing
it's like i love watching their kickboxing fights on youtube and that kid yuki
yoza that i was telling
you about that throws calf kicks he's everybody up with calf kicks and there's
another guy from a lot
of these kyokushin guys especially in kickboxing so like they have different
rule sets over there in one
you can fight kickboxing where they use big gloves or you could fight muay thai
where they use little
gloves and i think they've had muay thai fights where they have big gloves too
so in the kickboxing
you're not allowed to clinch not a throw elbows but in the but you can throw
knees but you can't
clinch and just continue to throw knees and you can't sweep and you can't take
guys down it's a little
confusing i think muay thai is the way to go but the thing about kickboxing in
japan is like they just
wanted to that's what k1 was they're like let's just take out all the clinching
and make this as
exciting as possible what's the best way to do that and the elbows elbows are
very effective obviously
and knock a lot of guy guys out but also cut a lot of people open and stop
fights prematurely which is
why pride didn't allow elbows which is really crazy when you think about that
because yeah soccer kicks
and stomps but you were fighting multiple times true cuts you know if you get
cut in the first fight
it could change everything i think that makes sense i kind of but i mean soccer
kicks stomps
and soccer kicks yeah yeah it's hard to say because for knees to a grounded guy
yeah yeah ground and
proun elbows are so effective it's so important i mean it really like guys that
think they're comfortable
and safe in the guard you're not you're not when a guy can still bust you up
with elbows from a short
distance it's a very effective technique yeah very damaging yeah yeah very very
damaging technique
well there's a real problem with the cage and the problem is the wall like the
the fence is an
artificial structure that keeps you from being able to move and i've always
said this that i think it
should be an open mat it should be a large mat and you should you should not
like a wrestling mat
yeah like a big wrestling mat like think about a basketball game like think
about how much space is
on a basketball court and you still get 16 000 people in there to watch a
basketball game guys would
be i would think running running around a lot of you know maybe you get penalty
penalty for moving too
much maybe you have like right yeah you have a red yellow card or well you have
a you have a center that
you're supposed to stay in and then you have a red zone outside of it and then
you have a black zone
outside the red zone where you get points taken away yeah you enter into the
red zone too many times you
get a warning for the first time another warning for the second time third time
you get a point taken
away so you could use it once or twice to evade but then you got to go back
into the area where you're
supposed to fight i think that would be that would be cool how big of a of an
area are you talking
basketball court that's too big man that's too big how about football how about
football
field that's too big they're doing that with no rules fights yeah yeah i watch
a lot of no rules
fights they're hard the russian the russian stuff they're so scary because guys
just mount guys and
gouge their eyes out yeah they're mounting people and just shoving their
fingers in there and guys are
screaming and tapping and it's like oh i run across some pretty crazy stuff on
ig sometimes from those
but they're fighting in parking lots they're fighting on phone booths yeah cars
upside down
on the wall they're fighting everywhere they're fighting everywhere i saw them
on a cargo container
floating on the on top of water where you get knocked off and that's crazy it's
so ridiculous
yeah american gladiators and you fall into the water and you just breathe water
and they don't rescue
you in time just fight with those kid floaties on if you get knocked out you
just float to the top
instead of those muay thai things yeah yeah blow them up your corners and your
corners blowing them up yeah
but i think the cage i'd like like you know how like the ufc uh bjj is that
sloped surface
a perfect example karate combat karate combat does that slope surface that's a
good one and that's
a big space they fight in karate combat yeah something like that i think would
be good it would be better
there's something about the but the problem is then you're you're backing up
and you hit that ramp
and you fall down or what was the old karate uh it was like i don't think it
was chuck norris yeah
chuck norris his league something like that yeah i think it was world combat
league or something i
went to see that wcf yeah something like that world combat federation yeah i
think the first guy to do
a slanted thing though was frank shamrock you know a lot of people don't
realize that frank shamrock
had an organization for a while and they fought in like this sloped sort of
thing like in kumite
i think he might have been the first guy frank was way ahead of his time way
ahead of his time
and he's another guy that got erased from because he had a falling out with the
ufc and he got kind
of erased from the lineage of like elite fighters from the past fighting older
and strike force like still
bodied up and i know he was a student of martial arts yes yes but by the time
he got to strike force
his kind of best days were behind him like when nick diaz beat him up yeah it
was he wasn't the same guy
when he fought phil baroni it wasn't the same guy he had a lot of knee problems
and it's like just not
after a while it's like he might have been like 40s in strike force or i don't
know how old he was
late 30s 40s late 30s for sure but when you go back to his fights in the ufc i
mean he was a pioneer man
when he fought tito ortiz he was nowhere near tito's size and he just beat tito
with cardio just cardio
and defense and then eventually wore his ass down and beat him up and changed
tito's entire strategy
for fighting after that he was one of the guys early was like super fit super
you know really focused
on his his health and nutrition and supplementation and everything back then
you didn't see a whole lot
of that but he was one of the guys for sure well the lion's den you know ken
shamrocks his the thing
that they put guys through this gauntlet that they put guys through in order to
make the team to make
the fight team was hell it was just hell they wanted guys to break and so
extreme conditioning extreme
mental toughness like all that was emphasized yeah and so frank was the best
example of that though
because he was he was elite everywhere he was really taking guys down he had
great submissions he had great
striking and you know he fought some wild fights man i mean he fought uh ensign
i don't remember where
that was was that in k1 but he beat ensign with knees like he he'd fought in
multiple organizations
obviously started out in pancreas yeah but he had only been training for like a
year or something like
that when he fought boss rootin and pancreas he was super talented man why they
let him wear boots right
or some kind of leg yeah you had some weird shin pad deal with well you had
wrestling shoes with shin
pads right and open hand slaps you know yeah yeah it was always poem uh-huh
yeah so what is this in
does it say what it's in 2011 this says ufc it's not ufc oh it's valley tudow japan
yeah this was before
2011. yeah okay so this is valley tudow japan so valley tudow japan i wonder if
it's the same valley
tudow that hickson fought in so hickson was you know the champion of valley tudow
japan early on
well that was like the in the documentary choke you've seen that right a long
time ago documentary
rules yeah man that documentary rules so that's how hickson became a legend
back in the real nhb no
yeah yeah no rules right right well the first ufc that i went to was ufc 12 in
dothan alabama and
you could wear wrestling shoes you could punch guys in the nuts yeah hair
pulling yeah grab their clothes
no weight class uh there was two weight classes back then um like because vitor
won the heavyweight
tournament back then i think they had two weight classes back then so they
still recognize that
there's some smaller guys and some big guys the smaller guys are real talented
but they're never
going to beat the big giant guys so let's have a weight class for them yeah i
remember renting vhs
tapes with my dad or the old uocs dude what got you into the spoiler how old
were you when you first
started martial arts training period 17 17 that's late yeah if you think about
it right well i mean
if you want to call wrestling i wrestled for two years when i was 10 and 11 for
a private club
did like traveling texas a lot louisiana small club meets but other than that
no combat sports no
martial art experience how'd you get into it boxing when i was 17 i wanted to
box always wanted to box
started going to a boxing gym met some mma guys there didn't know they had mma
where i was from
then went to the mma gym and never went back to the boxing gym so what year are
we talking
2006 maybe oh okay so this was right when the ufc first started this is like i
remember when stephan and
forrest did the big thing this was like beginning around the time i was
training boxing and mixed martial
art so that wave like i just never stopped wow yeah man what was it the uh
world combat
like chris horadecki was over there ben rotho was over there remember what was
that the team
organization that was big at the time right ifl ifl yes everybody had teams and
stuff that was weird
that was real big around that time uh yeah i didn't know being that's where dan
miller jim's brother
landed the grossest guillotine i've ever seen in my life have you ever seen
this one i don't think so
oh my god it's the worst guillotine of all time he gets this guy in a guillotine
traps his head in
his chest and bends his chest so his head is connected to his own chest
sideways so like this his
head went all the way down and touched his chest i don't even know how he
stayed alive yeah watch this
watch this watch this guillotine there it is check this out no watch this guillotine
look at that look
at that bro jesus bro how's that guy alive he's look at that look at that how
is he alive have you ever
seen that before ever like that's crazy that is the craziest guillotine i've
ever seen in my life
that's so crazy looks like his neck's broken bro how how's he alive yeah like
first of all why did
it take so long for the referee to stop who's the referee steve mazzucati
i don't know who it is but you could have probably stopped that a couple of
seconds earlier but i mean
it's just hard to imagine that a neck can go in that direction like it's so
that doesn't show it the
other angle that you showed is really what showed it yeah the other angle where
you see it from the side
where you see his head like when it when he cinches it up here that is crazy
that you're not supposed
to bend like that you know your ear is never supposed to touch your chest no i
don't know how
it does i don't know i mean it just seems like everything would break it seems
like you would never
walk again he's not dance not fighting anymore no jim's still still rolling man
jim's still fighting
still rolling it's crazy most fights in ufc history and and still fine no
surgeries no nothing yeah
yeah still durable did get beat up i think was his last fight bobby green that
was the last time i
think i saw him fight i don't know if that was his last fight but he definitely
got beat up that was
he's definitely lost a step i mean he's 40 years old yeah yeah but man dude
still loves it still loves
it respect to him dude yeah i mean he sent me a cook a cookbook he came out
with a cookbook he's a big
cook and hunter and stuff you know he sent me a cookbook and a spatula oh that's
hilarious captain redbeard or
jimmy redbeard on the spatula it's like engraved into it the fuck yeah he's
quite a character yeah
i like him i like him man i like him a lot too he's a very fun dude and also
complete wits about him
doesn't have any problems mentally you know he's like seems like a hard worker
he's always on his farm
doing stuff like you would never think he was a fighter if you didn't know i
know right yeah yeah
he's a fascinating character well the thing about this sport is that it like
exceptional humans are
exceptional at fighting like to be an exceptional fighter you have to be an
exceptional person
there's really no way around it there's like it's too hard to do you have to be
a very unique kind of
human being that can get through those camps that can perform under the big
lights that can figure out
how to keep getting better and evolve for sure and that type of stuff is like
the last time i was on the
show while i was talking about it's like a gift and a curse man it's like you
have to be all in at
something those kind of people who are built like that whether it's fighting or
drinking or whether
it's good or bad you're going all in it's dangerous problem yeah the problem is
like we see with connor
when they don't have the fighting then they go all in with the other things
yeah yeah right fighting
was always for me always pulled everything together you know that's why i like
retiring is scary man
days are long i have a lot of time it's i don't have to get ready for a fight i
don't you know you're
still a young man too you still have a whole lot of life ahead of you 37 man
yeah so it makes you
think like what do i do now what do i do with my future what do i do what do
you want to do dude
i kind of got like for a week or so i would say depressed but i kind of got
into like a funk like
what the hell am i going to do with my life every day i would wake up for the
last 20 years
how can i be better fighter how can i what's new in fitness how can i push
myself i want to be the
champion and then boom you lay the gloves on and you wake up and you're a
civilian like right it feels crazy
you know it's like i'm re-learning who i am like i always knew fighting was
just something i did it
wasn't who i was but after 20 years of doing it even though you know that and
you think that like it
fuck i don't know who i am without fighting how long did it take i'm a father i'm
a husband i'm a lot
of things right but like fighting was a cloud in my mind that never went away
for 20 years right and
now i wake up and it's gone like what what do i do i'm still trying to find out
joe i don't know did you
still get nervous when you would go to events you know that feeling that you
get like you when i
competed competing no no yeah when you go to other events for other people yeah
just feeling like you
might have to compete dude my hands are sweaty yeah yeah that's weird right for
sure i mean obviously
it just happened to me last a couple weeks when max fought charles i was
nervous i had armpit stains
my hands were sweating i'm like dude i hope those people don't don't see this
right because you feel
like you're still there connected to both these guys for some reason well you
are forever yeah
that's the thing that's what's so interesting about watching like old fighters
even old boxers when
they go to like hall of fame ceremonies and they've seen each other and hugging
like those guys are
connected in time forever yeah max came up to the desk and i was like we spent
an hour of our lives
fighting each other you know as hard as we could and he didn't even know he's
like no wait an hour like
yeah dude we went to two decisions two five round decisions and we thought the
the first fight was a
one or two rounds so it's an hour of fight yeah we spent an hour beating each
other up that is crazy
when you think about an hour is a long time and that was a long time to fight
another man especially
bearing your soul in front of the world it's not a regular hour just right out
at the beach it's the
biggest hour yeah yeah and it's an hour you're prepared for for months each
time but because of that
like like you were saying with the boxes like we know we have an unwritten
thing we know about each
other yeah you know something we never spoke about but we know each other
better than a lot of people
do yeah you know when a person breaks and who doesn't break max doesn't break
he doesn't break no
i mean you see it in that fight i mean how's he how does he go through that
whole round and not get
submitted yeah dry with olivera on his back and cut close a few times like he's
crushing his face yeah
like that old shin yaoki where you go the angle you can choke through the jaw
oh yeah guys go to sleep
net crank it'll choke you to sleep well even just a rear naked across your face
i've seen guys go to
sleep yeah they just go to sleep you try not to tap and you just wake up and
you're like how did he
choke me out over my face because it's like if you get enough torsion and and
crank it'll yeah cut
off the vein or whatever you know it'll it'll put you out it's enough it's
which is nuts and it's so much
pain on the jaw too oh it's horrible choking getting lack of oxygen to the
brain is one thing like the
jaw binding up against the bones like you know that sharp pain you get when
somebody's face cranking you
and your jaw hell yeah it feels like it's gonna dislocate yeah well that was
the thing with khabib
and connor where he did that torque that torque crank where he got his neck and
he cinched it up with
the forearm behind the neck yeah and pulls back like this like that is hell and
those guys squeeze is
different those guys squeeze is different what is something about lifelong
grapplers there's like a
density to them that's just different the density the strength and just like
the knowing of where to
put the pressure and what angle to turn your hips to make a big difference you
know people outside don't
even see it but it's so so crucial in the moment yeah when somebody's on your
back and they just turn a
little bit to the elbow you know rather than just squeeze straight on small
things like that or you
know what when fights i'll tell you the fight that i'm really looking forward
to really looking forward
to because i don't know what's gonna happen is hamzat versus strickland i'm
very interested in that fight
strickland is a nightmare standing up for sure it's a nightmare for sure when
he did a fluffy hernandez i was
like holy shit man the body shot the finish but he made fluffy fight you know
he fights at a slower
pace he has his own pace in there and he kind of forces the other guy to fight
his opponent has to
fight this pace with him i think the best the best chance is to to blitz him do
unorthodox things
because he wants to jab circle throw a kick jab circle he keeps a very slow
pace he's not sprinting
or trying to blast you out of there he just well he doesn't hit chips chips
chips away high guard
good show yeah very good show his defense is extraordinary he you know one of
the things
he was telling me is like i spar more than anybody and i get hit less than
anybody and that is true
like if you think about how much that guy spars it's a giant part of his
training look at james tony
he was hard he was hard to hit and all you did was spar yeah you know right
perfect example there's
something taught in that in those 100 yeah understanding of distance timing
pattern recognition
you're constantly in there moving around right it's like and then there's also
the cardio that comes
from sparring yeah it's different yeah like because his cardio is almost
entirely based on sparring
and man that motherfucker doesn't get tired in there right and the fluffy fight
was like i thought fluffy
was going to be a problem i'm like fluffy's really good man you think he
submitted adolfo vieira he's got
all this crazy cardio he puts a pace on guys and strickland made it look like
he just did not
belong in there he's so heavy on that front foot though i can't believe guys
aren't smashing that calf
man i know well he's hard to hit man and he also knows how to do that that um
that hacky sack thing
where you know like you're bending your knee upwards you know to check it yeah
well you don't even check
it you just kind of like relax your leg and lift it up you know who who showed
me that is alex pereira
he's like instead of checking it it was like if you check it it still hurts you
for sure but he just
lifts his leg up he just goes heel to knee on the opposite side and so like a
hacky sack right right
right i've seen guys take thigh leg kicks like that yeah kind of let it swing a
little but he does it
with the calf so it's like he sees it coming instead of doing that stepping out
and checking it
he just like like this yeah yeah that's it well that i think in this instance i
think that was
probably the i don't know if that was the first fight of the second fight but
izzy's calf was
already done he was really happy he told me after that fight he goes when he
got stopped in the first
fight he goes dude i wasn't even that hurt it wasn't that he goes i couldn't
move he goes my calf
was it doesn't it doesn't go away yeah that one's crazy that that's hard to do
that that's kind of
silly soccer move that's hard that's kind of silly i don't think he really does
that block it with the
bottom of your he could though i'm very interested in that fight too him versus
zero gone that's
very interesting for sure for sure and i know the power is going to translate
over to heavyweight
that's not going anywhere he'll be out of flatline heavyweights 100 especially
with zero weight cut
yeah he's probably 230 240 walking around 230 something maybe he's 240 yeah
dude come on he's 240
walking around that's a legit heavyweight he's a big tall long fucking guy
fought at 85. but so is
cyril man cyril's good an athlete heavyweight not just a big guy fighting at
heavyweight he's a legit
heavyweight it is a crime in the sport that that fight with aspinall got
stopped the way it did that
he eye poked him it's a crime yeah because that fight was playing out in a very
interesting direction
because aspinall was having a really hard time touching that he was bleeding he
was getting busted up he was
getting touched up a lot cyril's jab is legit and that's what i was most
excited for i wanted to see
tom have to come back lose around and come i've never seen him obviously i've
seen him fight but
i've never seen him in a real fight where you have to fight your way back into
it or how many times has
he even been in the second round twice maybe something crazy like that nuts and
that's why the fan base
kind of blew me away i was like these guys are so high on aspinall right now
like for a few months
everybody was talking about aspinall how good he is i've never seen it not that
he's not he might i mean he has to
be good to be where he's at yeah but i haven't seen it well my thought was the
real problem that
aspinall is going to present is in the grappling he's a brazilian jiu-jitsu
black belt he's a big
fucker he's fast he's got a power double i mean he explodes but when he's
standing there and trying to
stand with cyril gone this is the first time that he was ever in front of a guy
who was agile and quick
and very technical right cyril gone was doing a lot of sneaky one thing he does
is he keeps his hand low and he pops
that jab out so you don't know where it's coming from up jab he does a lot of
weird with his
front leg too he's pretty quick for his size real quick yeah real quick and he's
a good mobility good
hips yeah man cyril's a great athlete like it's not just that i've seen him
dunk basketballs and
shit like he's he can move right but it's just the fluidity of his striking is
so efficient like that's
his world if you just want to strike with him yeah i mean john jones is so
smart john's like all this
yeah even francis francis well he had a blown out knee in that fight but francis
just like took him
down every round and beat him up yeah man but that's a different cyril that's a
cyril that wasn't
concentrating enough on his grappling and probably never thought that francis
was going to employ that
tactic right and then really worked with a lot of wrestlers and try to evolve
his game and i think francis is on
that nate jay card as well right right he's fighting philip lynn's he has an
att guy yeah yeah
how good is he i've never really watched him train that much i know he made it
to the ufc for a stint
then he maybe went pfl i'm not sure how good he is yeah it's i've seen him at
the gym but i've never
watched him fortunate that there's not another big name for him to fight like i
was hoping they could get
a big name bob sap i mean who would be the big name like who's at heavyweight
yeah at heavyweight
that's still talented no one yeah heavyweight is the most shallow division in
the sport
period kane's out of jail get him in shape well kane's got crazy back surgeries
and knee surgery
and shoulder surgery kane was like too tough for his own body and all years of
wrestling man
wear and tear wear and tear also just never giving his body a break just
constantly grinding and pushing
and that's why he was so good it's like i think in his prime the best i think
he was the best well he
was certainly in the argument in my mind it's him and fedor but honorable
mention always i give to
fabrizio verdum yeah it's fabrizio verdum people want to think about losses
think about peak
performances fabrizio verdum tapped everybody he tapped all the legends great
trying he tapped minotaro
he tapped fedor and he tapped kane like just that just that alone he tapped all
the legends i don't
know why his name didn't like when i was thinking about heavyweights why his
name doesn't always want
to give him respect i always put it out there because the same way i do with bj
penn because people for
they only want to think about bj penn maybe when he fought frankie edgar or
when he fought yair rodriguez
go back to bj penn when he fought sean shirk go back to bj penn when he fought
diego sanchez that bj
penn was a motherfucker joe stevenson yes joe daddy stevenson you got to think
about the guys when
they're in their prime when they're at when they're redlining for x amount of
years at peak performance
when you're talking about like all-time greats i get it all-time greats you got
to think about guys
like john jones it could be never lost they stayed flawless their entire career
you're right but for
peak performance when they were at their best how good were they i put prime
time bj penn at 155
against almost anybody yeah you're right man bro he was so good and his jiu-jitsu
was so good and he
could knock you out and he was an animal just when he was training with marv
marinovich when he went
over there and was like really learning how to get in insane shape and he would
come there carrying rocks
underwater and all that yeah i think the carrying rocks was him marinovich had
him doing a lot of like
crazy plyometric stuff and the marinovich's strategy was you already know how
to fight
fuck all this fighting you know how to fight what we're going to do is just
give you the most insane
gas tank so your fight training is like secondary what's really important is
just having the most
spectacular gas tank so you never get tired yeah but he hated those camps man
he hated it and he only
did it even in the peak of his shape he was still a little soft he was never
shredded like he's pretty
shredded when he fought joe stevenson was he look at yeah he had a six pack he
looked good i mean he
was it was different but at 55 it was different and everybody's body type's
different you know well
at 70 he was never really a 170 you know he was never i mean he was much
smaller than you yeah yeah
he was never really 170 he was just so tough that he went up to 170 and beat a
prime time matt hughes
yeah i mean he stuck around longer than he should have he definitely did he did
and he definitely fought
without training well sometimes and that's the thing people remember yes
i hate that though they remember that one fight we fought on his tippy toes
remember that yeah
yep yep like crazy weird but you got to think about him in his prime that's
what i always say
don't look at it like fabricio over doom don't look at all the fights look at
the fights when he was
in his prime when he was putting it all together he was a nightmare he was a
nightmare like when they
hit their stride that's that's what i was scared about staying around the
fighting too long like
i retired at 36 i'm like perfect how much more athletic am i going to get how
much faster am i
going to get how much you know power is the last thing to go but durability
speed reaction time
everything that i need like and if i'm not right in line for a title shot or
knocking on the door of
it like what am i doing right i'm fighting just to fight for a paycheck crazy
that's when i had to look
myself in the mirror you know like okay this is it i'm gonna you did the right
thing be healthy
leave with my faculties for the most part the age that you retired was the age
that yoel romero
entered into the ufc yeah yeah isn't that nuts yeah it really is crazy if you
think about it because
that's that's really what and there's a few outliers out there in the sport
like in boxing usic is the
great outlier terence crawford is another great outlier dude what about usic
and rico crazy rico's
a super nice guy i love rico man super nice guy he's a nice guy but without leg
kicks the fact that he's
gonna just box and he's gonna box maybe the best technical heavyweight that's
ever lived
i don't know man i learned i learned my lesson dude i bet five thousand dollars
on fury
did you yeah the second fight yeah yeah interesting if anybody could beat him
it's tyson fury if anybody
can beat usic it's tyson fury because tyson fury was beating him in the first
fight he just got clipped
he got clipped and then i think it was the ninth he got really badly hurt i don't
remember what round
it was but he got really badly hurt and dropped but usic is just so slick yeah
man his footwork his
movement he's and the fact that he's essentially a blown up cruiserweight and
he's beating all these
giant heavyweights like dubois like daniel dubois is terrifying what he did to
joshua
yeah yeah just charged forward and just put leather on his face
yeah rico's a real heavyweight but he's not a pure boxer no i mean he can hit
hard i mean there's that
but he's such a great kicker you're taking a weapon away it's interesting it's
a spectacle i'm watching
for sure but i just i'm sure he's boxed with a lot of like really elite boxers
in the gym
i mean but yeah over the years for sure for sure yeah the payday is probably
bananas i'm sure they're
fighting in giza in front of the pyramids nuts crazy who's putting this
together who put that together
i have no idea yeah aliens aliens that's where they're gonna land like they
need to do a coliseum
fight mma or boxing where they set it up either in the coliseum or right in
front you know that would
be crazy well they were talking about doing that with elon musk and mark zuckerberg
they were talking
about a real fight i know that's so crazy dude that would be so crazy have
those guys be the first
fight in the dude that one at meta headquarters or something don't do that at
the coliseum don't
disrespect the don't disrespect no no i know that's silly so where who's live
at the pyramids of giza
wbc world heavyweight championship the zone but like i wonder who the promoter
is
seller wbc i don't is that their faces that's so ridiculous look at their with
their circular golden
gloves on glory and giza it's gonna be interesting man i'm excited about it i
wonder who's gonna buy that
how much is that gonna cost i'm gonna buy it but i mean i mean how many people
are gonna buy that
you know what i mean like i'm gonna buy it because it's i love rico i've had
rico on the show
i mean i think he's the greatest heavyweight kickboxer of all time for sure i
feel like the
way combat sports has kind of intertwined all different stuff boxing mma how
big mixed martial
arts is now you're going to get a lot of cross crossover before you'd get a lot
of hardcore boxing
fans buying this pay-per-view but now you're kind of going to get a little bit
of everything
kickboxing mma boxing fans glory has such a small audience unfortunately and
this was the uh you
know this is the argument that dana said to me about kickboxing in america that
they tried with glory
i just don't think they got the right promotion i think if the ufc i mean it's
non-stop action it's
highlights the whole time why i'm saying why wouldn't i feel like if the ufc
got behind kickboxing in
america it could be gigantic especially kickboxing with mma gloves like that
gazoleev guy was fighting in
the octagon you know how gigantic that would be yeah or yuki yoza there's
another guy masato inori
is a bunch of guys there's a bunch of guys that are like really elite that are
fighting yeah oh a bunch
man yeah a lot a lot yeah masaki nori um uh usik open to fighting john jones in
crossover mma fight
what wait okay now you got me interested dude if the ufc comes up with the
cheddar
you better start wrestling now yeah you better start wrestling right now is
that real did he say
that rico is first second is whoever wins between wardley and dubois and the
third fight is my friend
greedy belly tyson fury so he's not a rematch with dubois is a tough sell he
just starched him
the tyson fury fight is the big fight because tyson fury is the only guy that
in my eyes makes sense
says a fight with jake paul and mma at this stage is not being considered but
we're always open to
creative and interesting collaborations in the future if we were talking about
crossover fights
a very interesting matchup could be against john jones in the united states
whoa i don't know what
john's gonna do man with all the stuff going on with the ufc he might be done
he might who knows he
doesn't want to be done um i know he got stem cells on his hip um i know
because i helped him get it he
got it over at uh he's talked about it i wouldn't have talked about it but he
talked about it um he
got it at wasted well and so uh he he's feeling a lot better he does have
arthritis in his hip it
bothers him but it doesn't bother him enough where he can't fight and you know
he's the greatest of all
time period i did stem cells and prp in my hip i didn't notice anything from
that well it really
depends on where you're getting the stem cells what technology they're using
there's a bunch of
different kinds of stem cells yeah yeah talk to brigham about that he can
explain it i got maybe
but you had a labrum tear right it was pretty significant yeah and i had to get
the head of my
femur reshaped like a resurfacing it was kind of egg shaped and it needed to be
rounded so it tore
everything off the inside of my hip so how do they do that they take your leg
out of socket they they
shave the top rounded and then they micro they put like a bunch of small holes
in it to where it cracks
and then stem cells leak out of your body to create a new surface out of your
bone how long did that
take to recover i couldn't put pressure on it for eight weeks wow yeah because
it's like so you're just
walking around on one leg crutches yeah and then once you start walking on it
how weird was it
very weird because i had to sleep in like a a motion machine where my leg
wouldn't stop moving at night
oh my god because your hip capsule is like tricky if you if it heals up too
tight and your leg won't
have any any range of motion at all so while it's healing you need to be in
perpetual motion i guess
that's crazy and every week they would send a new code for my wife to type in
the machine and it would
be a little bit different angle whoa yeah so my what a nightmare for those
eight weeks i was sleeping
in this metal brace that moved my leg all night how did you sleep it was
horrible because it went up
to like your your junk inside your leg and the outside of your leg so it's like
you had a wedgie
by this machine and your legs just motion all night oh my god yeah it sucked
man that's terrifying
but i'm fine now it healed up good that's crazy that it worked yeah wow resurfacing
whoa
the guy actually who did it in vale colorado invented the surgery gsp's had hip
surgery there
really yeah he invented this surgery and gsp had to do the same i don't know if
he had exactly what
i had but he he had surgery there on his hip god that sounds like two months of
no sleeping
how'd you sleep did you get used to it well the first week pain medicine and
stuff you're on all
that stuff it was after like when i stopped taking all that pain medicine must
have been fun
do triple z dude i was having dreams and getting the best sleep of my life yeah
that's the time
where it makes sense to take that like you're in a crazy brace let's party yeah
for sure watch netflix
and just not give a about my leg yeah i'm sleeping in this machine hamster
wheel for real whatever the
hell's happening with my leg i was on one of those i always got my knee
reconstructed you had a bunch of
knee surgeries yeah but my left knee uh they put i had a patellar tendon graft
and they put me on one of them
things where it does this like when i was in the hospital so that's that's a
morphine drip so you
could press the button to get more morphine i was like blank blank blank blank
dude i had the same
thing on my hip they they put an epidural and then they had a nerve block
through my stomach so i was
like completely paralyzed from the waist down but i had the button thing i don't
think it was working
anymore because i i repped it up it was he redlined it was shooting blanks man
that's hilarious it is
weird though to see your like knee constantly moving forward but i only had to
do it like a couple of
nights i can't imagine i did it for weeks i can't imagine that must have been
so hard to sleep man
yeah the motion wasn't so bad because it's kind of slow oh okay it was the
metal in my groin oh yeah
it probably yeah rubbed it raw yeah oh god yeah man but like i said i was on
the pain medicine so
it's crazy that it all worked though yeah shout out to that doctor shout out to
all these doctors
i say that all the time like both my knees would be completely useless if it
wasn't for amazing doctors
right shout out to these i was just talking about figuring out uh i worked with
paul felder at that
vegas show and uh he just had a hip replacement yeah he had the real deal but
it's so yeah no he had
a replacement replacement why did he have to do that versus what you did i'm
not sure exactly it's
something to do with the spacing i think inside your hip how much spacing you
have because my spacing
was good i wasn't a candidate for a replacement well paul went full nutty after
he stopped fighting
and started doing iron mans yeah dude he was telling me he travels with a
bicycle he does like still does
that cycling for five hours like in a hotel room like crazy that's not good
that's unhealthy crazy man
that's unhealthy yeah why are you doing that paul five hours he told me well
the same kind of drive
that made him a great mma fighter made him want to like be the best iron man
dude in the world you need
something like that man way before the surgery just a couple years ago when you
first got
diagnosed i guess with some injury yeah it's a range of motion my right hip
reached out to
heather dr d from the ufc to help with an mri long story short i have the hips
an 80 year old man
no soft tissue left grinding bone on bone the problem is once they put a
artificial joint in you
you have that artificial joint forever right it's never going back yeah and as
biologics get better
and stem cells get better they're they're better and better at re-healing or
healing that that
actual tissue and if you could just hang in there you know this is the kind of
the conversation that
i had with john because if you could just hang in there they're so close they're
injecting stuff
into discs now and making the discs larger right so like people with back
problems where the doctor's
like look we got to take some of your disc out hang in there hang and also look
into other therapies
decompression there's a lot of different things that you could do that can
create space where your you
know disc is pushing against your nerves you can alleviate a lot of that
surgery is the absolute
last step back absolutely look if you have a of course they're going to cut you
up they'll do it
anytime you know it's good business cut you open then the that's the medicines
this the hardware
everything it's a it's a it's a racket that's the last step that's the problem
when when you have a
hammer everything looks like a nail and you know and when doctors get paid for
doing surgery they
want to do surgery because that's where they make their living right and that's
uh it's a real problem
with stuff like the back because i don't know anybody that's had a back surgery
and been better
right you know the only big one i could think of i remember nate quarry was a
big advocate for some
company remember he had he had an artificial spacer yeah he had artificial
discs put in his back way back in
the day yeah he's the guy i think about back surgery but he also like got it
was an intense pain because
of that and i think it wound up like becoming a problem later on like i know
guys that initially
had some relief because of back surgery and then it started getting way worse
after that that's the
same follow-ups always the same story like same thing with necks like you lose
strength it's always
bothering you for the rest of your life like mike brown has a fusion where they
went in through the front
fusions are rough my buddy alan joban had a neck surgery where they kayla harrison
just had one
like once you have that something what did kayla have done i don't know exactly
i don't think she's
telling anybody i know that i'm pretty sure they went in through the front
right but i don't think
she's telling anybody what exactly happened because look al jermain had a disc
replaced and he came back
and beat piotr jan in the rematch and looked great and fought really well with
that neck issue and you
don't hear him complaining about no i mean he said it's great yeah i think that
that the new artificial
discs that they're putting in the necks a lot of them it works out really well
i know quite a few
people that have had those i've been fortunate man i haven't had any neck she
had to repair a repair her
needed discs in her neck right so the thing is what they usually do is just
take some of the
the disc out and then you have less disc so it's not bulging anymore but you
have less disc now so now
you have more degenerative disc issues and i just think there's other options
and one of the options
is decompression i don't know if anybody ran that by her but i have a fucking
neck harness
it's attached to a chin-up bar and i put it around my neck it straps under my
chin and i put my weight
on it i just like stretch my neck out yeah it works you know relieving i hear
it pop like yeah yeah
it says they replaced the disc oh she had to replace okay so she got that thing
that al jermain got done
yeah how's she gonna fight that quickly look at that oh yeah i wonder what her
turnaround time is i mean
international fight week maybe her her and amanda well she's fighting isn't she
was supposed to be
fighting at the white horse yeah yeah but her and amanda was supposed to they
decided not to do that
yeah so maybe this summer maybe because it's going to be i mean that's a big
fight her and amanda
it's a big fight but i mean there's a possibility that you do something like
that and you never the
same again so she might not have a surgery yeah yeah it's like you're whenever
you're dealing with your
spine it's very tricky yeah you know it's just one of those things it's like
her
shoulders knees there's some things man you don't want to injure i don't think
anybody's ever come
back from a knee replacement and fought mma i've never heard of that i've heard
of disc replacements
i've heard of a lot of knee surgeries guys come back but destas bucacus was the
worst remember that
when he fought khalil and khalil side kicked his knee sideways and they hyperextended
it oh it went
sideways john does that knee stomping too i don't i don't know how i feel about
that man well ian gary did it to
shavcot i don't know how to fuck shavcot's knee up i know it's kind of fucked
because look yes it's
it's legal but so is eye pokes i feel like that's what i was about to say i
feel like it's kind of
dirty like legalized eye pokes it is dirty i mean so are nut shots like nut
shots are effective too are
we going to allow those no i mean why are we allowing someone to do a technique
that we do have 12 to 6
elbows now so that's at least we're getting somewhere yeah i like that yeah but
i'd rather have knees to a
grounded opponent than kicking the knee sideways it just seems like it takes a
year off of your career
at least soak in a knee bar soak in an arm bar like you could tap true true
true you get a knee
bar you could tap right inside heel hooks the scariest because you only got a
couple of like
microseconds to tap when you get that one that one's so nasty the knee across
you have no time you just
gotta tap yeah you just gotta know when you're done you gotta know when he got
you and not let it did
you ever see when mike emusumichi fought some cat in i think i think i know
what you're talking about
and the dude would not tap yeah he was just ripping his knee apart and mikey
was talking about it
afterwards it was so gross i was like why did you make me do that to you all
right why didn't you just
tap he mangled that guy's leg i think i saw a highlight of that it was horrible
it's so horrible to
watch you got it yeah show me yeah let's see this here it is like look at this
look at his leg bro bro
bro that is almost as nasty as watching that arm bar or that uh guillotine from
dan miller look at this
this dude won't tap it's so crazy and mikey is just a master at destroying your
knees any normal human
being would have tapped yeah yeah for sure and he does this like seven times in
this match where he
rips this guy's leg sideways left ways right ways the guy's knees destroyed
like look at that look how
nasty this is man this is so nasty look how side right angle too that angle so
awful the fact that this dude
is just tolerating it like right there that's destroyed yeah that is destroyed
i don't know if
that dude ever competed again afterwards he might never be the same no no the
same he won't be the
same he won't be he'll never be 100 like you get your ripped apart like that
for sure there's some
meniscus damage acl mcl everything fuck that heel hooks that changed i've been
fortunate man with
my knees i have torn meniscus in my right knee but never needed surgery you
know had a partial tear
on my acl when i fought islam he pulled me off against the fence and my knee slid
and i felt it
tear it felt like fire in my knee you know and when you feel pain in a fight
you know it's bad because
you usually don't right but i felt it burning like fire um but you didn't need
surgery didn't need surgery
did a bunch of physical therapy uh i had a partial tear there's something
called maybe a ligamentum
or something that connects where your acl is every time you tear your acl the
ligamentums completely
torn always and uh mine had a partial tear in that so i must have took the
weight off or we switched
the position right before it tore my acl oh yeah but i had like bruising you
know back of my leg was
all bruised up couldn't bend it for a little bit but now it's 100 yeah i feel
great yeah that's interesting
like um arnold out no who was it that was telling me that like there's
different people that have had
different levels of tears and then in those levels of tears like some of them
you can come back from
100 but some of them okay this dude a broken ankle too oh my god so this dude
that try saying his name
how do you say his name gentimer by endurance durin um so this is the guy mikey
musumichi
he was torn acl torn mcl torn meniscus and a broken ankle that's crazy that's
crazy he did like a
toe hold or something how did he break his ankle so it was oh was it brendan
allen was brendan allen
was in the podcast he was telling me this he tore his acl completely and never
got it fixed and it
reattached wow yeah well i got a slightly different angle but reattached like
it tore off but it was
still hanging in there and it re-healed uh-huh i was like that's not i never
even heard of that before
but i know some people that have had like a three-quarter tear and it heals but
it's not really the same
right it's still a little funky you know brad pickett fought his whole career
with the torn no
acl in one of his legs i think justin has that situation yeah yeah like brad
would sit on the
ground on the mat and then grab his shin and slide it forward you could see
like this the mode the
movement how does that not chew your meniscus he fought so many fights like
that oh my god well rico
rodriguez did too rico always had a blown out acl huh and he fought rico was
down in louisiana for a
while man rico rodriguez was oh he was one of the first brazilian jiu-jitsu
black belts i trained with
him at tim's gym before yeah he's he was really good on the ground man rico was
really good on the
ground and he was a ufc heavyweight i know point in time i know people forget
dude i didn't even know
who he was i was sparring him and tim was like crazy he was a heavyweight
champion of the ufc like no way
i know he was out of shape you know i was like who's this big tattooed guy let's
go
there's a lot of guys that people forgot they've they slept on it's interesting
when you think about
that he was running a gym in baton rouge louisiana i don't know if he still
rico was yeah he had
partnered with uh baton rouge in baton rouge louisiana he took over in la
boxing they they turned
it into a ufc gym now but he was part owner or something he was running it wow
yeah yeah it's a hard
road when guys retire and people don't even remember them like at least you
heard you have a giant name
like you're always going to be able to do seminars you always people are always
going to want to bring
you into events you you have a career no matter what yeah i've been doing a lot
of watch parties
where i get with the fans and watch the fights it's fun man i enjoy it that's
cool it's sometimes a
little awkward because the fans will stick around too long like i'm watching
the fights with you but
you come sit at my booth and like we run out of things to talk about it's like
okay hey man let me
get your number like hey bro oh hey my buddy's on facetime can you talk to so-and-so
like dude just chill
i know some people just can't hang dude but i fought like i said 19 years i say
20 but it's 19
years that i fought until that connor fight like that's when things changed for
me when you
recognition yeah wow that's interesting that's crazy because like the door
opened for seminars for
appearances that's that changed changed that's so weird and i had been in so
many ufc main events i had
fought for the belt i've done all this stuff but this that guy's name jen isn't
it nuts i just
personality got him so well obviously very skilled for sure eddie alvarez fight
that's to connor in his
prime form when he was in the aldo yes eddie the the aldo fight was great but
because it was one shot
and nobody's done that to aldo ever ever ever and since that was amazing but
but the alvarez fight
was him in the matrix when the punch is moving up and weight touching his nose
and he's firing back
those combinations he was just in the zone he was that was and eddie's nose to
connor walk in the
park no he's good man he's tough as when eddie beat um uh dos anjos i was like
holy man i was
always a big eddie fan oh he was always bro his dream fights with chandler you
want to talk about
taking oh bellator yes off your life yeah those fights that those two had that
nobody was watching
other than the hardcore guys those were to this day i tell people you want to
watch some chaos
watch eddie alvarez and michael chandler in bellator that's some of the best
fights of all down
drag out both guys if you're a fan of chaos watch those fights those fights
were bananas and so that's
what we anticipated when chandler came over and then we knocked out dan hooker
in the first round
i was like oh he's here same card same card as me and connor but i think that
it was too late i think
we he had already suffered so much punishment and been so if we got a hold of
michael chandler like
six seven years before that when he was fighting in bellator this is the
problem with pfl this is the
problem with bellator and i don't think it's a problem because i think these
guys are prize fighters
you know like i think francis and god who said it best when he was talking
about this netflix card
they're saying someone said to him do you think this is this with your legacy
he goes legacy who's
legacy for for you he goes keep your legacy give me my money right give me my
pay this is what i'm
supposed to be getting i'm francis and gano and i think he's right but he's
francis and gano he's
already the ufc heavyweight champion left as the ufc heavyweight champion but
for a lot of these guys that
are starting their career their best years are in these other organizations and
not enough people
know like johnny eblen perfect example you were talking about before he knocked
out leon edwards brother
and he's he's good beat mousasi i cornered him when he beat mousasi dude mousasi's
mousasi's a legend grew up watching him a legend yeah there's a guy another one
good guy that people
forgot about gegar mousasi was a by the time he made it to the ufc i was
already such a big fan but
like the casuals didn't know he was oh he was so good dude gegar was so good so
smart right just so
smart and so and unassuming was it him who up kicked jacare yeah yeah yeah into
a triangle yep yeah man
yep yeah i think that was in dream yeah yeah yeah yeah gegar was a beast man he
was a beast eddie
eddie alvarez and dream was a bunch of good fights and gegar stopped uh weidman
in the ufc
really good fundamental boxing great jab yeah great everywhere yeah good
wrestling good
wrestling defense which is super smart too just a very very intelligent guy but
he got put on the shelf
with that bellator deal he got put on the shelf and i don't know what's going
on with him what was
a lot i don't know i don't know he might not even saucy last fought he might
not even still be under
contract with the with pfl or whatever well i think he's 40 now yeah he was old
in the ufc yeah he's
got to be close to 40 if not older where where's gegard mousasi these days uh
oh he got drafted in the
global fight league yeah canceled i think oh that thing i knew that was a gonna
fall apart from the
jump that was weird when i was talking to coaches at american top team and they
were telling me like
all these x ufc fighters what their contracts were with this company i was like
dude they haven't even
put on one show and they're signing guys to these kind of contracts i mean the
money was crazy so
2023 was his last fight how old is he now so he lost to fabian edwards the same
guy that eblin
knocked out 40 40. yeah cornered eblin dream in that fight dude he got cut so
bad with an elbow
like i can see the vein in this i have it in my phone it was crazy i have it in
my phone the vein
still intact it didn't cut the vein but you can see it oh boy oh it's pretty
pretty gnarly and then he
stopped him yeah elbow yeah it wasn't we were in ireland yeah eblin's a tough
guy man and i think
he's like one of those guys that's like at the very top of the heap at 185 but
again i know about
him but how many people do that's unfortunate yeah you know because he's been
fighting he's got another
fight for how many how many years well he was bellator bellator and then they
bought him yeah
for how many years now a long time i mean i think he might have had one or two
fights when bellator
assigned him he got in early at bellator but he's a student man he's gonna keep
getting better he's
pretty young young still submitting mark hunt is crazy that's crazy right you
think how small he is
he's fought at 185 in the ufc and he submitted 260 pound mark hunt gigard mousasi
was a
fucking beast he was just technique yep just technique technique toughness and
intelligence just so crafty
just so good everywhere good on the ground good standing up and super patient
man methodical
yeah yeah i've always been a fan there's a lot of those guys that just got
people forget about
they forgot you know yeah it's a bunch i always say people one guy that people
underestimated because
they didn't get to see him when he was in his prime or they just forgot is masvidal
oh people
forgot how good masvidal is masvidal knocked out eve edwards with a head kick
yeah that yeah bodog yep
yeah bro masvidal in his prime was a mother he was good when he knocked out darren
till remember that
shit that switch step or oh my god yeah of course switch step i think caught
him with a left hook
knocked him out cold cold and he was a dog like when he started focusing on his
wrestling he was at the
hook and strike force man at 55 like yeah oh yeah he was a dog back then no masvidal
was a beast man
and he's good everywhere man he's good everywhere he has good jiu-jitsu good
wrestling uh-huh kickboxing
yeah he's good everywhere i mean when he went off the 170 that's not really his
weight class his real
weight class was 55. yeah but i think as he got older he's it was hard he's a
big guy he's a big guy
he has really thick legs and he's a little bit taller taller than me for sure
but but like when he was
really competitive i feel like it was at 55. yeah but i mean like he gave guys
problems at 70. like the
the darren till fight was at 70. he fucked a lot of guys up at cowboy yep
cowboy was that at 70. body shot
170. damn yeah no masvidal people forgot there's people and then you know he
was having those backyard
fights in the kimbo slice days which is crazy the bare knuckle kimbo fights kimbo
slice fights yeah
man kimbo used to come to american top team used to bring his kids and stuff it
was crazy talking to
him because i grew up watching his fights you know but he was like the first
guy to become a legend on
youtube yeah you know yeah everybody knows who he is plus he looks so cool the
bald head and the beard
and the hair on the back yeah everything was crazy the braids in the bed yeah
super jacked and just
people up in the backyard yeah like they were moving around like satellite
dishes and
shit a bodyguard or a driver for a guy in miami who started a porn company and
that's how it started
exactly yeah and they organized these fights yeah where they would just no warm
up just all right let's
go get out the car in the front front driveway and walk to the back and just
start scrapping i know it's
crazy but as a kid like when that stuff came out as a kid that was such a big
thing to watch you know
that we had to download it illegally on like lime wire or something back then
yeah you know
that was wild times and then to see him in the ufc in the ultimate fighter dude
what a journey that
guy had i know what balls it took for him to do that to enter into the ufc with
like basically zero
grappling yeah like really just kind of learning the sport but you know good
boxing but i don't think
like gym not trained boxing just natural ability and well he definitely had
some training right the
way he moved was even in the bare knuckle the way he moved was like a boxer
shell you know yeah like
a mike tyson movement yeah but it was like kind of rudimentary remember when he
fought seth petrozzelli
yeah yeah like last minute petrozzelli comes in last minute like ken shamrock
had some sort of a
dispute with them and maybe got cut backstage or something instead of how to
cut and so like last
minute they swapped out seth petrozzelli and he knocked him out yeah i called
that one
called that one on camera no i wasn't doing it the commentary i think it was
elite xc i think that
bankrupt them or something i don't know how like they that fight bankrupt them
i don't know if it
bankrupt them but after that happened they didn't have many more shows after
that well i think they
were going under anyway unfortunately i don't know how that fight would have
bankrupt them but well they
had some guy who was a boxing guy who was running the whole thing was named gary
shaw i don't i don't
know back then i don't remember either but i you know like it's hard to make
money in these things man
like those things are hard they cut like the ufc doesn't get the credit
deserves in terms of the
promotional machine like that's a smooth running machine oh yeah that machine's
been around for a long
time it's so polished between the production all the guys in the truck the
directors the producers the
best of the best yeah the best it's hard and then you got all the best fighters
and it's like the
product so when they have a fight like holloway and and olivera and like oh
this fight wasn't good like
that's a great fight man it's just you you can't be a casual people are just
bloodthirsty yeah you
know like this listen to do that to max holloway is crazy do you not appreciate
that go watch baseball
wrestlers great grapplers have never done that to them i know it's nuts it's
nuts if you think about it
yeah it's exciting man the ufc is definitely the best at it with this whole
paramount thing i was
kind of we'll see how it turns out i was kind of worried like if you take pay-per-view
off the table
how much is ufc going to put the biggest fights together because they don't
need to sell pay-per-views
they're guaranteed money you know i was just wondering if that would not water
it down but we would
get a bunch of weaker cards and i'm still waiting to find out man what is weird
right because with
pay-per-view you're always building it up so that people buy it and then it
also points like the
fighters get paid points so so how are fighters getting paid now i've been
asking every show at
work i ask everybody i want to know because i've you know my last few years in
the ufc up nobody's
telling you nobody's telling me anything they're keeping you in the dark
keeping me in the dark
keeping me in the dark man because you know i was pay-per-view partner multiple
fights with the ufc
if there's and that was always the thing they kind of in this in in discussion
about contracts and about
future fights that they kind of held over you like right you win this fight one
day you're going to
fight for the bell you're going to get pay-per-view your life's going to change
that was always a
carrot they hung like to make you know to do anything to that was the goal to
one day fight for the
belt and get the pay-per-view money but now that that's gone i mean connor's
not going to fight
even justin at the white house there's no way these guys aren't fighting with
that backdoor money
so they must be just guaranteeing them a bigger per i don't know well i think
justin would fight
no matter what because it's for the title this is his last fight well that yeah
the title the
title it's the title it's at the white house he's a patriot it's the last fight
you know i think
he would fight no matter what but like you know ronda rousey uh you know she's
promoting the netflix
fight she made i don't know if you saw what she said but she had this big long
speech about the ufc
selling for seven billion dollars and these fighters aren't making enough money
and you know
look she made some good points and the most important thing is that she gets
the conversation
out there and it puts pressure on the ufc to pay people more you know and if
netflix can become
successful at mma if they can become successful putting cards together and
pulling fighters away
like right now they're doing a one-off right it's one-off and it's kind of a
gimmicky thing and listen
this payroll is going to be crazy it's gonna be crazy you got ronda francis nate
these everybody's
getting crazy money the payroll is gonna be nuts but if anybody's got that kind
of money it's netflix
they throw around a lot of ridiculous money they make so much money so they can
kind of do that
the question is are they going to do that more than once so if they do that
more than once then what
happens is it's all about the name of the fighters just like boxing like if
boxing no one cares if it's
golden boy no of course bob arum nobody cares about that what they care about
is who's fighting who
is it benavidez who's he fighting is he fighting bival let's go that's a great
fight so if if netflix
can kind of do the boxing thing on netflix with like big name stars they can be
a major player and that
will elevate everybody's pay scale so as a lot of people like oh ronda how
could you turn her back
on the ufc and talk like that if she's what she's saying doesn't make any sense
she can't say it right
so if what she's saying makes sense then you have to go she's got a point yeah
she's got a point she's
got a point they sold it for seven billion dollars or whatever it is they got
this billion seven billion
dollar deal whatever the deal was with paramount not even selling it sold
rights to it right
that makes sense she's making sense and so if she's saying this and netflix
listens and if someone
comes along they're a shrewd businessman they go look and there's a lot of
people their contracts are
coming up and when these people's contracts are coming up let's get into
negotiations and then all
of a sudden some people start drifting over yeah so if like you get like an islam
makachev starts
leaving and they leave and go fight at netflix and then they can talk four or
five top major
contenders into doing look it's a big ask look i love the ufc spent my most of
my professional career
there but i love seeing these other organizations come up and people making
money and right like you
said it rises every everything it's more places for people to work you know it's
yeah it's great
it's only good olivier alba mercier it's only a million dollars come on in the
pfl yeah and uh i
think he did it more than once right didn't he win the tournament twice or
something like that
i'm not sure he definitely won it at least once so the canadian gangster right
a guy who's not in the
top 10 of the ufc goes over to another organization makes a million dollars
okay i don't know if that's
sustainable for them i don't know how they came up with that money they got to
be bleeding money out
have to be bleeding you know nobody's watching or even guys like pettis who was
a former world champion
who you know his contract was good in the ufc right didn't she was not to
resign with the ufc and he
went to pfl they had to be paying him big money they have to be you know so it's
all competition
ultimately is good for the most important thing which is paying the fighters
yeah so i'm having places
to work like if the ufc cuts you or something you back you know 10 years ago
there's only place to
make money right they cut you now you got to get a job maybe fight try to get
back in part-time fighting
like try to get now you can pivot and still have a career well that's the thing
with francis when francis
left the pfl everybody's like well now he's because he can't fight in the ufc
he can't like
i wanted him to come back to the ufc and yeah i was like come on can we figure
out a way to make this
happen but dana just does not want to have anything to do with him like
apparently they did not get
along very well which is like i'm like come on yeah i don't come can i help can
i get you guys in a
room together and calm everybody down but at the most important thing is he's
still a guy i want to
watch oh yeah you know i mean he's the legit heavyweight champion if you think
about it he never
got beat in mma as a heavyweight champion you know and then he fought hennon
ferreira uh in pfl yeah
it's another att guy but it's another one where it's like who's watching that i
mean and if you're
watching it you're just watching hard course me and you yeah yeah like i mean i
want to know like
what were the numbers for that fight it's probably the biggest fight they ever
put on i don't think
i've ever seen any numbers from pfl and i think like the crazy he was like
getting 20 million a fight
and he wanted his opponents to get a huge amount too i forget what the he like
a minimum amount his
opponents would get in his contract respect i didn't know that yeah that's
awesome that's part of his
contract i forget what the number was but it was substantial so hennon ferreira
got a giant payday
for that fight too good it's like how are they where are they getting i guess
they have saudi money
i think they did for some of the shows because they went to saudi to to do some
shows but uh i don't
know if they're backing them the whole the whole company you you're gonna need
something like netflix
and netflix can kind of pull it off because netflix has a massive promotional
machine and but they need
big names so like now that they have nate and mike perry on the car too like
okay okay so you got
nate mike perry you got francis philip lynn's you have uh ronda and gina okay
now you have three
interesting fights yeah you're gonna need a few more and it's on netflix so it's
going to be free but
even if nate and mike perry was the head of the headliner yeah i would have
bought that pay-per-view
100 when you don't have to buy it exactly on netflix yeah so this is what gets
interesting
so if this fight goes on netflix and gets 50 million views it's going to get a
lot yeah it could get
more views than any fight ever yeah it could it's very possible that that
because netflix is bigger than
anything if they got more views than anybody ever that would be but and then
youtube might come along
most views on a mixed martial arts event hey guys we're youtube we're even
bigger than netflix
youtube is bigger than netflix youtube is everywhere and if they come up with
some crazy cave so if more
players get involved in this and more people become free agents it could get
very interesting dude it's
crazy to see how far the sport has come because like back all these big
companies wouldn't want to
touch this human cock fighting back in the day now everybody wants a piece of
the pie i know it's
it's cool now they know yeah it's cool now right that cage fighting became
something that like corporate
america wants to get involved dude i'm in the airport i'm in the grocery store
grandmothers old you know
ladies are walking up to me talking about fights which is insane insane insane
because 15 years ago it was
loves it bearded guys with tattoos would be in the grocery store we'd whisper
about it you know it was
frowned upon we'd talk about fight club you know yeah now it's like soccer moms
did you see the fight
last weekend the arm bar i'm like what are you talking about well that's all
the ufc the ufc with that
one deal the fertitas have such huge balls because they were down 40 million
dollars when they made that
deal for spike tv to do the ultimate fighter and they were like we're fucking
hemorrhaging money and they
were talking about selling it and just a perfect storm stefan and forest and
the world was watching
man and it felt special i remember being at my mother's house i knew i was
watching something
special yeah like this is special i know it was crazy being there live too it
was so nuts
it was so nuts to watch it evolve and watch it burst out and by then by 2005 i'd
already been working
for them for like four years because i well i started in 97 with the old owners
and i did like the
backstage and post fight interviews and then i did it for a little bit and then
i had to quit i was
like this is costing me money yeah i made more money going to a comedy club for
a weekend than i would
flying to dothan alabama to bozier city louisiana but i i was happy i did it
because it was fun this is
exciting and i remember me and eddie bravo back then we're like man you know
what the ufc needs this is
like literally a conversation we had in like 98. they need some crazy billionaires
that love the sport to just dump a
bunch of money in it because we know it's exciting it's just the rest of the
world doesn't know and
along came the fortitas and they did it did they saw it and rode that vision
out and it paid off it's
nuts paid off literally like exactly what we said needed to happen and then for
that fight to happen
in the ultimate fighter between stefan bonner and forrest griffin because it
was a perfect kind of
fight was it was so evenly matched it was so chaotic and they knew each other
so well from being in the
house together they just went after it for three solid rounds at the end both
guys were like oh
but dude nothing how could the idea of the actual kumite idea of putting the
best fighters from all
over the world whatever discipline they train in let's find out what's the best
that's i mean
it has it's of course it's going to succeed it's chaos yeah it's everything you
want to see and the
crazy thing it was really kind of invented as a showcase for gracie jiu-jitsu
because the ohorian was
like you know like look jiu-jitsu is going to prevail and he was kind of right
no i mean at first dude
hoist was in there against giants dan severn dude come on chemo what do you
weigh 180 pounds 190
maybe not even even 176 fighting these bodybuilders and i asked him why they
pick him he goes look at
this face and look how beautiful i am i'm so good looking that's why they
picked me wearing pajamas we
even know what a gi was well i had no idea jiu-jitsu was that that effective i
was so confused
yeah i was like someone's gonna kick him he's i'm gonna punch him and no like
he's just taking
dudes to the ground that stomp and no idea of anything that they're doing just
letting him pass
guard letting them oh yeah do anything you don't know any and he's choking guys
with the gi too he's
grabbing his own lapel i'm like oh this is wild that's one thing i do like i
got away from the gi so
from white belt to brown belt i competed ibjjf every tournament i could would
do my weight class
so do absolute get the reps i love jiu-jitsu but i could probably around 2011
2012 i stopped putting
the gi on you know it was all a mixed martial arts training because i was
getting before i would use
jiu-jitsu to prepare for fights at a small school i was at but when i went to
american top team i didn't
need anymore because i had such high level guys on the mats at all times i was
doing jiu-jitsu no gi every
day but it's been so many years since i've put on a gi and had like a jiu-jitsu
practice man and
even the practices i do now are all no gi it's fun i want to get back into gi
gi's fun but eddie bravo
said it best he goes if you were a professional tennis player would you
practice for tennis by playing
racquetball no you wouldn't right you would play tennis you would do the thing
that you do if you
want to get really good at mma jiu-jitsu you need to do no gi yeah and he's
right i mean gi definitely helps
as well but you got to do no gi what gi does is it teaches you that you have to
be technical with
your defense because you can't muscle out of things yeah but the reality is
like you should just be
technical with no gi for sure that's the thing like get out of the thing like i
always say that the best
jiu-jitsu is to learn learn jiu-jitsu from a small guy like all technique yeah
like like a barrett
yoshida hoyler gracie eddie bravo like learn jiu-jitsu from small people yeah
because they're all
technique they can't muscle out of things exactly learn brazilian jiu-jitsu
from some big giant
like their their game is going to be so different because they're so strong
right but like look at
like the sambo guys look at the makachevs and khabibs like that that's the game
of no gi that's no
gi it's like their their no gi game is finely polished yeah finally that's it's
not going to help them
to wear a gi right their game wouldn't be better like khabib's game wouldn't
have been better it's all
top you never see these guys on their back and guard it's a different it's a
different speed it's
jiu-jitsu it's a different different game yeah what they do small small changes
on the locks like
we were saying with the darts choke grabbing your forearm they do things a
little bit different man
even their wrestling like is is different it's not collegiate fundamental
wrestling that you would
teach at a wrestling camp it's just chain wrestling that they kind of develop
and have their own style
man it's different it really is interesting and then you know when i've talked
to daniel he's like dude
i've seen could be put it on like high level amateur wrestlers in the gym put
it on them and i believe
it too i mean he's just his discipline when he was in his prime man his
discipline was just above and
beyond his discipline his drive his focus and there's something to be said for
those guys too because
they're super religious so there's no partying there's no drinking there's no
chasing women there's no
bullshit it's just drive drive drive drive right you know in that collecting
the legs that he does with
the triangle underneath the legs when he's in the mount against the fence so
hard to get out everybody's
doing it now you know the wrist ride that handcuff he's doing everybody's doing
it yeah he i mean it's
been really interesting to watch like these dominant forces come along and like
sort of remap the landscape of
the game you know and we've seen it with them especially in such a high stakes
game how do you
do it that many times without catching a heel to the face without catching a
knee you know the guys
he's fought so many dangerous guys he's just drowned them you know i know well
you know islam got caught
in that one fight and got knocked out adriano martins mm-hmm yeah right but it
just shows you as a human
being yeah it can happen to anyone can happen to anybody and the glace and t-bow
fight with uh with
khabib i feel like glace and oh man i know a lot of people always talk about
that i feel like glace and
won that fight me and t-bow have been training partners for so we beat each
other up so much he's such
a fun guy man oh he's such a good dude he's another guy like how the are you 155
so much energy
dude never complains about anything he could have 50 pound weight cut smiling
in the sauna just happy to be
here just hope he just hope both teams have fun that's awesome yeah that's just
a happy go guy man
just i watched that fight again because i was like am i talking out of school
should i shut the up and
i watched it again i go no i think he won was it a split i don't remember i don't
remember if it was
split but he was stopping takedowns yeah and he was a tank that guy was a tank
he was big he was big
and jacked dude probably five eight five seven little saucy yeah maybe maybe
maybe i don't know
i don't know either i don't know skillful super skillful you know solid
striking solid jiu-jitsu oh
great jiu-jitsu very good everywhere black belt jiu-jitsu strong as and just
you know they
knew from an early age because i think his middle name is herculino i'm serious
that's hilarious yeah
hercule herculeano brazilians have some of the funnest yeah he might have eight
names you know i
bet yeah yeah gleason tiba alvez herculino a few other things that i'm missing
i'm sure yeah i'm
i'm serious though johnny gleason maybe t-ball i don't know he has a few names
that's fun i'm being
serious really yeah a bunch of names that nobody knows that's hilarious man
well an american top
team man you probably have seen more elite talent come through those doors
shout out to dan lambert
well dan's a man that put the money in put the time in when there was no money
to be made
there was no that guy was he just loved it it was a passion thing and just
thank it's just like what
we said with the ufc we need a rich guy to come along and just throw the money
at it yeah like
that's what dan did with american top team i remember when he was putting
together the the
new american top team facilities and he showed me we're gonna have dorms we're
gonna have this i was
like this dude's trying to go broke like what are you doing it's huge and that
area is crazy expensive
it's on a huge piece of land i need to get dan in here i know for sure i talked
to him about it before
but he deserves he deserves the credit because that guy dude honestly like him
building the gym and
asking fighters for five percent which is you know crazy unheard of other gyms
are taking crazy
amounts you know he's giving you all these amenities giving you a place to stay
at one point he had
houses as well fighter houses that he bought and he would put fighters up in
the houses for camps and
stuff dude i've heard of him paying covering medical bills that fighters didn't
have money for
never getting paid back yeah like all time he's done so much stuff man yeah
yeah a good good for the
sport solid amazing for the sport and if he didn't put together that super gym
who knows how many of
these super gyms would have ever evolved because he kind of set the blueprint
for what what a gym could
be to this day that's still the best gym in the world in terms of like super
just so much knowledge
man right and so much knowledge so much equipment it's so big it's so well made
and you never know who's
going to be on the mat at any time you walk in and do an mma class there's
literally thousands
of mixed martial arts about experience on the mat at any time was robbie his
first world champion
i was there for every camp when robbie came over uh i feel like it might have
been like there was like
everybody was like dan lambert deserves a world champion someone's got to be a
world robbie might
have been the first dude i think he might have been the well i mean mike brown
was wc yeah there's been
but ufc champion ufc champion robbie lawler was number one i remember when he
came over man
hey how's pantoja do you know how his elbow i don't know how the injury is but
it has to be
bad if they're skipping him and going with this uh i know other title fight i
know i was there like two
weeks ago i went down to help some buddies i spent a week there i didn't see pantoja
at all so it was
so nasty but what was really weird was like when megan olivi was talking to us
they were saying that
he dislocated his shoulder and i was like what what like what are you talking
about his elbow went out
like i'm watching his elbow yeah it looked like the elbow they said no but i
think they the doctor had
misspoke and i'm 99 sure that it was actually the elbow that went out because
the elbow clearly moves
and it caves in and gives out right and when that happens ligaments muscles and
everything gets
damaged but i just don't know the extent well it's too bad because also pantoja's
older and he's older
and dominant in flyweight which is very hard to do it sucks at any time to see
a fight in like that
terrible but especially a title fight especially a title fight especially on
the streak he was on
defending the belt like it just not just that and he's such a hard worker and
such a quiet guy and
just a good dude you know he's a savage too i think he's one of the greatest of
all time in the post
fight dana said something about the shoulder also they popped his shoulder back
in i thought it was
the elbow well it was the el it says it's not the elbow it was his shoulder it's
his elbow as well though
it's gotta that's weird follow-up posted there was no ligament damage but i was
trying to find uh
updated so even if there's no ligament damage there could be cartilage damage
oh yeah a lot of other
anytime something bends the way it's not supposed to and soft tissues his
weight and joshua vann's
weight all on one arm posted and that arm gives out but damn dude when he
fought that japanese cat who was
that guy ran through him when pantosha did yeah like you just see how good he
is when he fought kai
car france ran through him i was like this dude is on fire right now he's good
man he's on fire i think
pantosha is one of the best of all time and dude not loud not flashy quiet he'll
walk in the gym go be
in practice you won't notice him just working always does his work just working
yeah just focused just a
soldier i love to see that though man because like a few years before he was a
the world i mean the
flyweight champion he was driving uber or uber eats like just trying to crazy
making you know
scrapping to to get bills paid and you see a guy because that's what makes
fighting so special though
you know like teddy atlas has a speech about it but it's like where else can
you be from any
discipline any creed anything any background and call yourself the world the
champion of the world like
true so powerful on any given night you can go against the odds and be a buster
douglas or be
be a uber east driver and be the world champion you know a couple years later
like it's just special
man fighting combat is special it is special and it is the end all of all
sports like if someone
shoots a basket and they make a three-pointer on you you're like okay but i
could still you up
you know no one says after you them up yeah but i could score a basket on you
no one cares dude it's
the end of all sports the end of all everything the middle the best middle
school comeback somebody
can't beat me though yeah can't beat me though that was like they come back for
anything can't beat me
though like that's the top of the line the best the top challenge exactly the
top challenge doesn't
matter if you're better at backgammon right yeah you dunked on me but i'll beat
your ass yeah beating
someone's ass is the that's the end goal that's what all sports aspire to be
yeah is combat sports
so do you have plans for stuff you want to do outside of fighting now like now
that you're
retired and now you're settling in be a good dad be a good husband that's my
that's my goals always
but i have a few other businesses you know i've had for years um i got a
documentary great hot sauce
got a great hot sauce that hot sauce is damn good well that's that thank you
man it's legit
poirier's louisian style hot sauce it's not white label we made this we
developed good dude it's very
thank you i'm proud of it i'm proud of yeah when you sent it to me i was like
okay i'll try it i'm
like oh it's legit vinegar based vinegar based cayenne very good yeah very good
hot sauce thank
you yeah i put a little celery in there i could tell you put some work into
that yeah i didn't
want it to there's so many vinegar based hot sauces on the shelf you know you
get lost in that and the
shelf space is so hard to get i learned i'm learning all this business stuff as
i move forward you know
and now that i'm done fighting i get to really see where the hot sauce is
because every fight every
promotion i got to talk about it and sales always around every fight were great
but now we're going
to level off and see what kind of stride we have well it's legit man it's i
recommend it highly thank
you man very good besides that i have a few businesses in lafayette and i'm
really uh getting
excited to have a documentary coming out this year the same guys who made my
first documentary fightville
i don't know if you've seen it came out in 2011 it was on netflix actually did
a premiere here at
south by southwest uh showtime picked it up but the same company that did that
pepper and bones
is doing my retirement documentary so they did the whole last training camp
filmed there live in
germany so they would fly down stay with in camp they did the whole fight week
in new orleans then
they came back down for thanksgiving this recent thanksgiving and uh finished
up the documentary and
they have hundreds of hours of footage unreleased from when i was 17 18 years
old whoa so they got
the they got the whole journey whoa just randomly this guy was filming uh a war
veteran who turned he
was doing a him and his wife are documentary makers and uh they were following
this guy who just got back
from the middle east and he happened to be a fighter and i met the guy at a
fight show i fought on he was
filming the other guy for a war film started talking then he just man i'm
interested in you let me start
started filming me and then dude now i have all this hundreds of hours of
footage of me fighting amateur
small shows behind the scenes at my house like as a kid oh that's incredible
yeah so we're gonna put
it all into this documentary dude that's awesome that's amazing well listen
brother whatever you do
you know if you put the same energy that you put into becoming a great fighter
you'd be great at anything you
do that's just the beautiful thing about doing the most difficult thing is
everything else is definitely
going to be easier i want to go back to the difficult thing i don't want the
easy path man it's so hard
to let it go right it's hard to be like like i tell my wife i say this a lot be
a civilian to go from
fight life every day for for so long to being a civilian it's like i'm relearning
who i am maybe a
couple boxing matches maybe the ufc let you out i would love to do you think
the ufc let you out of
contract do some boxing matches nope i don't think so unless the pot was big
enough to wear i don't
think so oh they should but i'm not fighting floyd mayweather the pot ain't
going to be big enough
right you know because there was a russian company that wanted me and nate to
box oh yes he said no
i didn't even bring it to him ariel hawani hit me up and said hey any interest
in this
i have interest but i didn't want to bring it to hunter and dana i didn't want
to
ask him give it a try yeah give it a try see what happens after this i tried to
do the benefit i
tried to let's do it in zoo for boxing yeah that's silly that they don't want
to do any crossovers but
i get it dude i don't know if i want any more head trauma either joe yeah yeah
i want to raise my
son and that's true too that's true too i have 50 something fights right that's
true too maybe just let
it go it'll never be gone keep it in the back of your head just work out it'll
never be gone
i want to take i want to take care of my head i'm never gonna stop it i hope
william's there tonight
yeah he'll be there tonight for sure i didn't i didn't message him oh he was
there william montgomery
shout out to william i didn't even catch that you were saying that and when you
were jumping guillotine
oh am i never gonna stop i didn't realize that and then everybody online told
me oh he he's doing
william montgomery i was like oh my god how did i miss that i was 100 doing
william montgomery
but also like i give you the benefit of the doubt dude my delivery was kind of
bad it wasn't the exact
i was just so focused when i'm doing post-fight interviews i'm just always so
focused in trying
to get everything out of the fighter that they want to say that's all i'm
thinking of is what can i ask
him that can help them better express themselves after this big victory yeah
you know so it's like i was
the underdog and mike every time i went to the corner he's like stop jumping guillotines
you're
giving up takedowns you're not going to get cut it out don't do it i'm like was
that the ben was
underneath never gonna stop yeah yeah that was a great victory too man that was
a good one yeah
with the streak he's on this aging aging well aging well now very well listen
brother you're an all-time
great it's an honor so cool to have you here again thank you for having and uh
congratulations on an
amazing career thank you and like i said you're gonna kill it with that
whatever you do whatever you do in
life try to become i'm gonna try to do the desk work and see where that goes
man yes and buys hot sauce
it's legit you heard all right thanks bye everybody