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Rachel Wilson is a writer, cultural commentator, and media personality. She is the author of “Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women’s Liberation.”www.linktr.ee/RachelLWilson
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So when your husband Andrew came in here he told me about your book
and then I talked to you and you seemed very interesting and you gave me a
little brief synopsis of it and so then I listened to it on audio tape and it's
fucking crazy and it is the occult feminism the secret history of women's
liberation you know I didn't really have much of an opinion on feminism I my
opinion was you know unfortunately you run into some feminist that just seemed
to not like men for whatever reason and you know there's a lot of people in
this
world that aren't happy with their position or station in life but I didn't
really think too much into how this all got started until I listened to your
book and I'm like this is kind of bonkers so before we get into your book like
how
did you decide to write about this like what what was your little journey oh or
big journey yeah it's kind of a big journey so when I was growing up I was
like a in all the advanced kid classes and from the time I was in like
kindergarten it was just pounded into my head like you're going to college you're
going to have a career and you know you're smart and you have to do something
with that it was like the only option that was put before me and so I followed
that path like all the way through school and by the time I got done with 12
years of regular school I realized a couple things one is school is not where
you go to learn things school isn't nest public school is not so great for
smart
people for the most part and that I really didn't like like another four years
of
school just sounded like hell to me and I really just wanted to get married and
have kids that's kind of what I always wanted to do much to the horror of my
Marxist feminist mother did not like an early age well she tried but I was the
why kid I was the kid that's just like why why yeah but why and I had like a
Rush Limbaugh dad Wow they got divorced shocker who could have seen it coming
so
they got divorced when I was like nine and I had so I grew up in like two
worlds I
had like Republican business owner Rush Limbaugh dad and I had Marxist
feminist crazy mom was the mom always Marxist feminist and was the the the dad
always like a Rush Limbaugh Republican yep how did they fall in love I was an
accident oh so they just fall in lust I was like an oops baby and my dad said
that when he saw me he was like well I don't want anybody else right like this
is
the only thing that matters to me so I'm gonna make this work and he tried his
best how did they even hook up with such radically different ideologies I don't
think they were talking about that sort of thing when they got together they
were probably hanging out at a bar oh so they didn't really know each other
very
well not really no they were kind of like they worked in the same place and met
at
work and then had like a fling and then I was born yeah yeah so I had divorced
parents yeah it was it was really rough because my mother like hated my
dad she could never tell you anything he did wrong yeah it was just like he's a
evil
white patriarchist bad bad Republican man one of my earliest memories is them
fighting over the Bush Dukakis election in 88 and like threatening to lock each
other in the house so that the one couldn't cancel the other one's vote yeah
I know it was fun was this before after Kitty Dukakis drank mouthwash or what
did she
drink she drank something like that aftershave or mouthwash to try to get drunk
yeah she would the
pressure of the election must have been so insane and this is pre-social media
right and this lady was already struggling with like alcoholism and I think she
was
hospitalized for drinking something that was not a drink well can you find out
what
that was it was really crazy right remember do you remember that I just
remember that whole election being pretty nuts like as far as like the
Democrats
versus Republic and this was when Democrats were more like how Republicans are
right now they weren't right in a tank to make everybody think he was like a
pro
war tough guy remember that yeah yeah and I remember read my lips no new taxes
and
all that stuff so like I had this going on like as a kid so I think my brain
was
already thinking about this sort of stuff from the time I was little rubbing
alcohol oh that's crazy nail polish remover oh my god she drank nail polish
remover holy shit she couldn't just huff paint like normal person
very open about her struggles with alcohol and addiction to amphetamines to
reduce the stigma
surrounding these issues later detailing these experiences in her books huh
okay yeah so my
parents were like ready to kill each other over that and so they divorced right
right after that
they divorced and so I'd spend time with dad and I'd spend time with mom and I
had two
completely different realities and worldviews and I think growing up like that
you're trying to sort
out what's true you're trying to figure out like is there any merit to what mom's
saying the world
is or any merit to what dad saying the world is and I think dad was more persuasive
and and better
at pulling me his direction because I never really absorbed like I always
thought Marxism was you know
faking gay and stupid I just never bought into it at all why at an early age
did you think that
uh because I already had seen that you know we're not all born equal with equal
things and some people
work much harder some people have natural gifts and talents and to think that
because my mother would
literally say stuff in the house like from you know from each person according
to their ability
to each person according to their need and I was like even when I do that in
class like if there's a group
project everybody wants me on their team because I'm the smart kid who's going
to do the homework
I end up doing everything and everybody else gets the A even though I did
everything so those are the
people that are really into socialism people that have fast stuff yes yeah and
so like from being a
little kid I even noticed like no things aren't equal and things aren't always
fair and it depends on
you know your natural skills and abilities and then what you do with those
things because there's lots
of people like my mother was super talented really intelligent person but she
was so like emotionally
chaotic she never applied them to anything she never really got anywhere did
anything she had big
dreams of what she thought she should have and and never really got there
because she was so like
emotionally unregulated and kind of chaotic so I just kind of saw that no there's
not this like thing
where you can just even the playing field and make it all equal for everyone
that's not how it works
There's also a thing that if you're locked up in something like Marxism you if
that's your ideology
you're in this constant struggle with the rest of the world all the time where
you want to bend it to
your ideology you want to change it and so even if you're a very intelligent
person
your daily mindset is struggle your daily mindset is conflict and existential
crisis
like you know that is exactly that was that was the picture that was laid in
front of me
yeah it's such a go to dad's house and he's like he started a business after
the divorce and he's like
hustling he's working 12 to 14 hour days he's doing everything he can to make
it work he's not
complaining he's just like this is what you got to do if you want to make it if
you want to you know do your own
thing and prove that you know you're good at what you do you have to compete
you have to get out there
you have to work hard why complain about it and then my mom's whole world was
she ended up being
very bitter and resentful because it was like this view of but i deserved this
that should have been
me i got robbed of it because whatever reason and often it was like if i was
more attractive you know
the men at work would have given me a raise if i looked like the other woman in
the office or
something you know so it was like this bitter resentful she was kind of like at
war with the world
so seeing those two things neither of my parents are perfect who is who has
perfect parents but
it was kind of like i'd rather play over here where there's a purpose for me
working hard and giving
it my best shot and trying in life and figuring out what's important to me and
then tailoring you
know all my efforts toward that and i just thought that um having a family was
so cool and i wanted to
have the family i didn't have so uh i i had this dream of like getting married
having kids having an
intact family and making it like a place where kids can grow up without all the
screaming and yelling
and chaos that i had and that a lot of kids have nowadays so um didn't go to
college i had a full ride
scholarship and i didn't go which everybody thought was the end of the world it
was like how could you do
that your life is over you'll never be anything and i was kind of like we'll
see you know it is very
weird that we're convinced that the only way to get educated is by an official
institution with all
the information that's available now i mean even back then like that's the
whole premise of goodwill
hunting like you can get very smart from a public library you really don't need
it's just the books are
available for everyone the information is available for everyone if you chase
it down it's not like the only
people that get any information are the ones who go to these colleges one of
the biggest lies that
education like we can just educate everyone the problem is we're not educated
enough and if everyone
had enough access to education everyone would be intelligent everyone would be
thriving it's like
the internet's kind of proved this i had a teacher it's not an information
problem right
i had a teacher in high school that said something i don't know if this is his
quote or he was quoting
someone else but he said education is something that allows you to get along
without intelligence
and intelligence is something that allows you to get along without education i
like that that's
pretty good i was like oh i get it there's there's certain people that are just
dumb at certain
things like i remember being around intelligent people that had no knowledge of
how a car worked
of any of the workings of a car you would tell well this back in like spark
plug days you could explain
to them like oh one of the cables for your spark plug got loose you're only
firing on five cylinders
the six the whole six is not that's why it's like shaking like that who like if
that if it was
anything else if you're talking about the economy if you're talking about the
political process
that guy would think the other guy was a moron but now this guy thinks he's
more i remember
like being like auto shop class going there's a lot of different kinds of
intelligence we've just
done this weird thing where we've categorized like you have to go to specific
schools you have to go to
the you got to get a degree everybody wanted to go to ivy league schools i
lived in boston
it was like very important did you get a higher education you go on to make
everybody proud and they
were all miserable well my dad said this to me he was the only person that when
i graduated i said i
don't think i want to go to college for this i don't think that's what i want
to do like any of the
things i'm looking at when i think about like having a career in in that thing
i'm not very excited about
it i don't i don't get like oh hyped up to go do this i was like i really just
kind of want to you
know maybe someday but i would love to have a bunch of kids and stuff and my
dad was like you know
a lot of the people in my office have degrees and you know they have careers
and some of them are
very miserable people so if you don't want to do that he's like you could
always decide to go later
so i was like i'll i kind of like bargained with everyone i was like i'm just
going to give it a year
you know yeah and if it you know if i feel like i want to go to college after a
year of no high
school um then i'll go you know i could still do it but i ended up having a
baby at 20 which again was
the end of the world oh my god rachel your life is over you'll never be
anything you'll never do
anything it's over for you it's such a tragedy it was like treated like this
horrible thing and i
thought it was great and when i had her the job that i had did not matter to me
anymore at all
it seemed so stupid it was like anybody can go i was a hairstylist at the time
anybody can go do
haircuts someone else can cut debbie's hair but only i can be her mom i want to
do that and everybody
was telling me you have to go back to work you have to go back to work that's
what we do now two weeks
after the baby's born you got to go back to work you need the money you need
the security you need
the income and i looked around and thought this is insane like who came up with
this system because
i am going to go drop her off at two weeks old and let some lady who doesn't
know or care about
or love my baby the way that i do take care of her all day long you know if you
factor in the commute
it's like nine nine and a half hours that i'm away from her by the time i get
home
and feed her and give her a bath it'll be bedtime and that'll be it i'll get
like maybe two hours
with my baby all day you know um and i get to pay half of what i make to this
other random person
to raise my child who came up with this this is stupid and i have to pay taxes
you know and i have
to have a second vehicle and insurance and a work wardrobe and i just thought
this is the most inefficient
stupid system and everyone around me is like this is this is good this is what
we all need to do even
like christian conservative women that were friends and family members were
like well you don't want
to depend on a man because then you're going to get abused they they fear-mongered
me to death about
staying home with my kids and at the time uh this was my high school boyfriend
who i had my first child
with um because i was kind of a libertarian at this stage and both my parents
at this point my parents
have multiple divorces between the two of them and i always i know i always
heard oh marriage is just a
piece of paper what really matters is that you love each other and that sort of
thing and i'd known this
guy since we were kids we we'd known each other forever we'd been together for
a long time so i thought
this was great and my goal was let's get us to the point where i can stay home
and be like a full-time
mom and he had stuff going on it did not work out he took off devastating
horrible terrible for me
no big fights no cheating nothing like that um you know he's a private person
so i don't want to tell
his business but he had his own personal things going on and left and it was
back to you know i had to work
and be a working mom and i didn't like that and i still thought that there was
something wrong here
but i hadn't really like looked into where do we get this idea that women must
be working like
my grandma didn't work bless her soul by the way she is going to be turning 100
april 1st my grandma
who's still with us and she's probably my ace in the hole and the reason i kind
of turned out normal
despite my chaotic family upbringing because she was super grounded nice christian
lady
only in eighth grade education but she knew how to do everything she'd go back
and like pluck a chicken
cook it up for dinner can everything in the garden preserve all the food and
she had more done
by 8 a.m than most human beings on earth so i had like grandma as a pillar to
really help me through
this stuff so shout out grandma uh which is work yeah it's housework yeah yeah
which is like really
important like it has to get done yeah and most people think someone else
should do that yeah i need
to be in an office yeah this is for uh wages like low low paid wagey people to
do i need to be doing
something important but i always thought she was really important she was super
important to me because
when you know my parents were off doing whatever they were doing i'd always get
dumped at grandma's
so i spent a ton of time with her growing up and she was full of wisdom and
like i said she knew how
to do everything like her practical skills were crazy she can cook anything she
can clean anything she can
can and preserve food she grew up during the great depression she was born in
1928 oh wow yeah and
she's she had been through some stuff like she lost her husband to cancer she
lost her daughter to kidney
disease like she had been through it so she had a lot of like good advice and
wisdom and she'd always
say i wish i was smart like you i wish i was smart like you and i could go to
school and stuff like
that but i thought grandma you're the only person that knows what the hell they're
doing you're the
only person in my world who well the grass seems to know what they're doing
yeah the grass is always
greener you know when you're looking at a woman that's entering into the
workforce who's really
intelligent you start thinking oh she's gonna have a career yeah she's gonna be
a ceo someday and
everyone's gonna respect her and well that person's on pills and suicidal and
can't sleep and well we
we're gonna get into that we're gonna get into i'm sure like how it's turned
out for women yeah pushing
them into the workforce telling them they can have it all and how they're
dealing with that but i didn't
i didn't deal with it well when i was at work i felt like i should be at home
and i was missing my
kids and like i was really failing on the home front and when i was at home i
felt like i should
be giving more to work and i felt constantly torn and that's something i hear
from pretty much every
woman i talk to who has kids and a job yeah that it's really tough that you
always feel like
you're not able to give enough to each thing you just can't spread yourself
that thin all the time
and i think it's bad advice i think we give women backwards advice i think we
tell them spend all your
fertile years all your youth building a career going to school and building a
career then by the time
you're like 30 35 and you're you've got all that established then you can think
about getting married
and having kids well by then you better find somebody quick and get on it
because you got a
handful of years left yeah you know and you might need ivf and all these other
things and a lot of women
struggle and it's one of the it's actually nobody wants to talk about this this
is the conversation
no one's ready for women's access to higher education is the number one
correlate around the
world regardless of economics race culture status anything to falling birth
rates wow so it turns out
that when you push young women that it's education career education career
because why why do we tell
them that otherwise you're at the mercy of a man and he'll abuse you he'll take
advantage he knows that
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people because the cost
of living is very different now than it was like say in the 1950s or 1960s it's
very difficult for a lot
of people to get by on one income yes it is but have you ever asked why that is
uh i have but i'd love
to talk about it so prior to the 1970s we had five percent of mothers with
school-aged kids working
outside the home and for all of human history even during the industrial
revolution you know 17 18 1900s
like you said in the 40s and 50s you could be a janitor and support a family
and have four kids
on one income and something shifted in the 1970s and it's never shifted back so
it can't be like
how the stock market's doing it can't really be like all these other
independent economic factors
that have shifted and changed and been so different over the course of the last
50 years
the one big thing that we changed is we pushed women into college and into the
workforce and by the
1980s they were on par with men in workforce workforce participation so in the
span of about 20
years we almost doubled the labor force by pushing all the women in and men's
wages have never recovered
so now you are stuck in a two-income trap where even women who want to stay
home and even dads who
would love to have their wife home with their kids it's really tough so what
why did women entering
the workforce keep men's wages stable or keep them from going up along with the
in with the inflation
it really fundamentally changed the economy i have a friend named aaron clary
who wrote a book about
the about this it's an analysis of what he calls a female-based economy where
it's more consumer driven
women are like responsible for 80 percent of consumer spending and now that
they're all educated and in the job
market we have a lot more of things like hr departments psychology sociology
like um the economy
shifted away from being like manufacturing and production and more male
dominated things to we
have all these women coming out of university and you know they what do they
get degrees in
i think 80 percent of psychology degrees are earned by women and then despite
all our efforts to push
women into stem they're still like maybe 20 percent of stem degrees so we have
all these very educated women
and we have a lot of kind of fluffy jobs like office jobs hr jobs social media
managers
and mostly women do a lot of the same things they used to do in the home so
they're nurses they're early
childhood educators they're retail workers they're cooks they're um they're
housekeepers they're doing
a lot of the stuff they used to do which uh the marxist feminists called unpaid
labor right this is
the myth of women's unpaid labor so instead of cleaning your own house
educating your own children cooking
meals for your family maybe for your your parents or grandparents who can't
cook for themselves all the
things we used to do for our own family clerical work bookkeeping for your
husband's business things like that
we're doing those things for corporations
so that and and this was kind of by design uh a lot of the book is about the
fact that
there were people who pushed feminism and it wasn't because
women were oppressed and they cared about the position of women necessarily it's
because the same
people who pushed you know the 19th amendment and pushed progressivism and
feminism
were the same people who drafted the federal reserve legislation came up with
the income tax came up
with the compulsory education system and especially on the marxist side they
they pushed feminism
because they said if we can push mothers and women into the workforce and we
double the workforce
workers of the world unite you know what i'm saying so it's like we have this
huge workforce and
through the university systems we can kind of propagandize the young women to
be socialists and to be
marxist because they kind of tend that way anyway the way that women's brains
work is very like
communitarian for a reason we're moms you know so it's very easy to radicalize
and this isn't my
opinion like i go over in the book how you can just read the writings of these
people and they tell you
august babel alexander colontai margaret fuller like all these early 1800s
writers were saying
we need to get women away from the home and away from being mothers and push
them into the workplace
because then we can politicize them we can motivate them into becoming
revolutionaries
and that's how we'll get the numbers to make this work wow yeah so now instead
of staying home with
your kids and doing all these things for your family for your community you're
doing them for a
corporation and you're paying income tax you're paying all the other taxes
associated with having
to work outside the home gas tax because you're driving back and forth to work
um payroll taxes
all that kind of stuff and you are away from your kids all day where do they go
they go to public
schools where the public school system then can dictate to them what the values
should be uh how you
know what the world view should be instead of the parents
yeah it just makes you wonder like there there's all these giant shifts in
culture and it makes
you wonder what what would we look like if that had never taken place well that's
so you asked like
how why did i start writing about this that's why because i had like an aha
moment where i realized
feminism is far and away like it's not even close it's the biggest social
revolution in all of human
history and it happened in one century we took the whole social order that was
in every culture
around the world for all of the rest of time that's recorded and we flipped it
upside down and completely
changed it in one century everything about your life is different now because
of feminism in ways that you
don't even think about you know the way that you act in the workplace the the
way that legislation works
the way that school systems work like every single thing about life has changed
as a downstream result
of feminism and pushing this model of women's equality which it's really not it's
really not about
equality and all you have to do is read all the first everybody thinks first
wave was just oh they just
wanted rights they just wanted a few rights that was good you know and the
average person would say yeah
i think that that was good but that's because they don't know the real history
and the reason they
don't know the real history is because when they invented gender studies and
women's studies which were
created by the ford foundation with some help from the rockefellers and the
carnegies uh in the late 60s
they literally rewrote the history of how women's suffrage happened so there's
a professor named joseph
miller who did an examination of 12 the main 12 textbooks that are most
commonly used in all the
western universities to teach women's history and he's not even like a right winger
he's like a liberal
college professor but when he looked and examined those 12 textbooks and
compared them to the actual
writings uh you know newspaper articles writings of feminists themselves public
debates held between
suffragists and anti-suffragists all of the writings of anti-suffragist groups
which far outnumbered
pro-suffragist groups he found that they left out huge chunks of what really
happened or intentionally
misrepresented what actually happened on purpose to kind of sell feminism as
something different than what it
what it really was so what did they leave out so the most important thing they
left out was that women
did not want women's liberation they were yes everybody assumes and believes
that it was a
grassroots thing that women kind of looked around in the 19th century and they
went you know we're
oppressed we don't have any rights i wish i could work i wish i could get away
from my bastard husband
who drinks me drinks and beats me i need i need rights i need a bank account i
need credit cards i
want to go to university and and they marched and they picketed until they had
voting rights and and
equality in the workplace that's the story everyone's heard and it's not
correct at all it's it's in in
fact it's the opposite so this is hilarious when the so we had this big fight
in the late 1800s between pro-suffrage
groups and anti-suffrage groups most women in the united states and england if
they were a member of
either they far outnumbered by joining the anti-suffrage groups they were very
much against it it was only
a small minority of women who were pro-suffrage and these groups would debate
publicly they would
write pamphlets they would write tracts we have a really good written
historical record of what actually
happened and women didn't want it they thought they thought they had a lot of
great things going on
already that were going to get ruined by suffrage for example here's some let's
do a little myth busting
people have this idea that prior to the 19th amendment women were denied an
education completely
untrue some of the first universities in the united states were exclusively
female universities and seminaries
and secondary schools more women actually probably had the opportunity to go
than men because men always
had to work in the fields in the mines go to war build the infrastructure of
the nation work on railroads
you know um so women were seen as like well you're going to be teaching the
kids so you should probably
do a little extra education whereas jimmy and billy they need to work the farm
with dad
you know so there was never any law that prohibited women from higher education
what happens what feminists
do they rely on framing so they'll say because there weren't co-ed universities
because it was women's
universities and then men had separate ones it was mostly um segregated they'll
say women didn't have
equal access to education were the better schools men's schools no in fact i'd
say
so i guess you could say some there were a handful of ivy league institutions
that didn't let women into
certain programs um but it was mostly like medical stuff things like that and
that had already changed
before the passage of the 19th amendment women were already being led into ivy
league education being
allowed to do biology and and become doctors many of the women in my book who
were first wave suffragists
had degrees had educations um the other one is like women weren't allowed to
like leave the house they
weren't allowed to you know sex out of wedlock or children out of wedlock oh my
gosh it was so terrible
but most of the women in my book who were traveling the world promoting women's
suffrage had children out
of wedlock had extramarital affairs or multiple sex partners or were even lesbians
open lesbians touring the world making money giving speeches writing pamphlets
and tracks raising money
for the suffrage movement nobody put them in jail nobody whipped them was there
some stigma sure but
i don't think that you can argue that stigma against those sort of things equates
to oppression of women
by the patriarchy it's always framed that way but that's not true so what year
did they pass the 19th
amendment and the 19th amendment is what that gave women the right to vote
right so there were women
that said i don't want the right to vote yes in fact when they why why wouldn't
you just want the
right to vote even keeping a traditional household like the right to have a say
if it's about the world
it's about the united states it's about our laws and how we're going to govern
yeah so i'll tell you what
their reasoning was they said um we're going to lose a lot of the protection
and provision that we
currently enjoy so for example in the state of new york in the 1800s as a woman
entering a marriage
if you had money if you had an inheritance that came with you when you got
married if your husband
cheated on you or left or divorced you um you he couldn't take any of that your
inheritance was
protected from you know your husband leaving and taking it um and only men
could be held responsible for
for debt and there was something called breadwinner laws that the courts it was
like a systemic law
it wasn't like one specific law it was like a whole legal framework that said
look women have to raise
kids and be pregnant and have babies so we have to hold men responsible for
financially taking care of
women and children so women couldn't be thrown into a debtor's prison they
couldn't be held legally liable
for repaying a loan or anything like that they could own property people don't
believe that either people
believe women couldn't own anything and the reason they say that is because
once you were married you
were considered one legal entity but even then a married man in the state of
new york in 1800 couldn't
sell a property that was owned after he was married without his wife's written
consent and the court had to be
assured that she was not being like coerced into it so there were already like
the anti-suffragists
themselves argued we kind of have everything we want you know we we have like
most of the benefits
of this you know they didn't call it a patriarchy but what we would call a
patriarchy they said
we're the primary beneficiaries of this system we have a lot of protections and
if you make us equal
we're going to lose those like what if we get drafted what if we have to go do
jury duty and hear like
the gruesome details of like murders and rapes and things like that it's going
to pit the family
against each other just with the right to vote yeah why just with the right to
vote because so why
couldn't you keep all those things and just be able to participate well
unfortunately they were right
so one really good example is the women's temperance movement you guys remember
prohibition that was
primarily women who pushed for prohibition it was the women's temperance union
it was like a christian
movement to ban alcohol and women didn't have the right to vote but they got
prohibition passed which
was huge like it was one of those things that nobody thought was even going to
happen and it happened
largely because of their political motivation and the reason that it worked is
because they could go to
congress or they could go to the senate and say we're not a political voting
bloc we have a moral high
ground from which to ask for these things because you can't buy our vote you
can't you know um like
offer us things and kind of seduce us into voting for you based on promising us
things that we want
and they didn't want to lose that because they felt like they had a lot of
influence and the things they
predicted would happen they the anti-suffragists said you're going to see a lot
of divorce you're going to
see broken up families because it's going to pit husband and wife against each
other just like it
did with my parents where you've got you know mom wants to vote for the
democrat dad wants to vote
for the republican or vice versa now they're fighting about it they want to
split they have separate
world views um and political interests will be used to drive a wedge between
men and women
and break up families and then we're all going to be a bunch of single moms we're
all going to have to work
like they they literally predicted this stuff it's in one whole chapter of the
book is dedicated to
their arguments how they have such amazing foresight i mean i just would uh
ignorantly i would think
okay well i think women should have the right to vote they're human beings they
live here there's
there's laws that are being called why would that well i think uh one of the
problems we have when we
look back at history is the fallacy of presentism we're looking at it through
like our eyes now with
the right with all of the presuppositions that we have about the world kind of
baked in and at this
time so in 1920 people don't realize that men had only universally gotten the
right to vote very
shortly before women got it so in the uk uh most men couldn't vote until about
10 years before women
got the vote in the uk there was all kinds of restrictions on voting in the
united states for men
you may have to pay a poll tax you might have to take um a test like a literacy
test or a political
literacy test there might be a religious requirement of some kind there might
be a racial requirement of
some kind there could be um all different kinds of restrictions on men voting
you might have to be a
property owner you might have to be a certain age so there was a lot of men it
wasn't like all men could
always vote and no women could ever vote and at the time of trying to pass suffrage
there were already a
few states in the west that had granted women's suffrage like utah and wyoming
and in utah is a fun
case because it was mostly settled by mormons at the time and they were mostly
polygamists and there was
this big fight between the feds and the state of utah because the feds did not
they were like this
polygamy thing is getting really popular out there and it's going to cause us
some problems
and uh they want to give women the right to vote and the mormons thought if we
give women the right
to vote we can keep polygamy because they're going to vote for it because it's
beneficial to them in
whatever ways that the lds church thought it was the feds were betting on the
fact that nah i think
if we give women the right to vote they're going to say no more of this polygamy
so let them have it
just let them have it well the feds lost the bet and the mormon wives kept
voting for the polygamy stuff
the feds didn't like it so what they did there was also a little bit of stuff
going on with the
finances of the lds church that was a little sus they passed an amendment or
yeah law through congress
in uh 1878 i think i could be wrong on the date to take away women's suffrage
they took the vote back
from them they said no more voting for you can't do that because you're voting
for polygamy yeah and so
women in utah had suffrage granted and then had it removed for 50 years it was
from i think it was
about 1870 to 1920 that they didn't have the right to vote and the anti-suffragists
this was a big deal
so pro-suffrage women would go to utah and anti-suffrage women would go to utah
and they'd talk to the
women and try to because everyone's trying to get them on their side and they
kind of found that like
women really didn't want to be involved in politics they felt like we have so
much going on at home
they were the community organizers we don't have this anymore by the way i'm
taking care of my
grandparents i'm taking care of my uncle who you know has a disease and is infirmed
i've got seven
kids and so does my cousin and so does my sister and we all raise them kind of
together we're very busy
we're doing all the church stuff we're teaching the kids together politics is
just like you have
to know so much about it and you have to be so informed and we just we don't
have time and we
really don't have interest most of them were really indifferent but more were
either indifferent or
against it than were for it by such a margin so this is the test they let them
vote on whether they
wanted the vote in a huge the biggest referendum was in massachusetts so they
let women vote on whether
they wanted to vote in a referendum of the women that showed up not a lot of
them showed up it was a
fairly smallish number but of the thousands that showed up to vote only four
percent wanted suffrage on
the ballot that's crazy only four percent so guess what elizabeth katie stanton
and susan b anthony did
after that all the pro-suffrage leaders they banned women from voting on
whether they wanted to vote
isn't that crazy how did susie b susan b anthony get involved in all this
because she was one of those
people that was like what was she on the two dollar bill or something yeah yeah
and she was one of those
people that was always held up as this like amazing woman and then i started
listening to your book and
i was like wait what yeah a lot of these women like her and elizabeth katie stanton
were kind of the two
big figureheads in america there were a lot of other important people but those
are the two most people
have heard of they're the ones who wrote the history of women's suffrage which
is this giant like
multi-volume history that they wrote now they wrote it from a very biased
perspective to make themselves the
rock stars of this movement they wanted to be remembered in the history books
as being these
awesome badass kind of revolutionary strong independent women they in fact came
up with the strong
independent woman narrative um that women were victims who needed to be unvictimized
they had other
suffragists that they were trying to cut out of the history when they were
putting together this
history of women's suffrage lucy stone was one that said wait a minute you guys
are leaving out huge chunks
of important information like the fact that our main support comes from men
progressive men and socialist
men and polygamist men like why are you guys leaving this out if you do it like
everyone's gonna know you
just didn't mention any of that because at the time it was like super well
known they had a lot of pr
problems in the suffrage movement because it was known as something that prostitutes
socialists marxists
polygamists and revolutionaries were into and she was like you can't leave that
out it's like a main
point maybe you don't like how it portrays us but you got to include it so they
like reluctantly did
include some of that but they were going to try to leave it out all together
and frame it as we know it
now as a fight of women against men this fight of oppressed women against the
oppressive patriarchy
that was systemically trying to keep a boot on women's necks and even their own
colleagues were
like that ain't how it happened it's crazy that progressive men were a problem
even back
these the simp problem is ass men have always been a problem they're a giant
problem
and that's one thing that feminism does it gives them a way to be like i always
call them like vampire
familiars yes like they never really get to be a vampire but they do all the
deeds for the vampires
and the vampire loves them and they they hang around the vampire and they you
know it's the sneaky
fucker mating strategy yes yes what is that cuttlefish yeah yeah cuttlefish do
that like sneaky
bitch-ass cuttlefish pretend they're females so they can hang around the
females yep and that's
exactly what was happening there were other motivations too like uh victoria
woodhull was a famous feminist
she was the first one to have like a big newspaper she was known as mrs satan
because she was into free
love she wanted to make prostitution legal she said that marriage was just a
legal form of prostitution
she saw it to be no different than regular old run-of-the-mill prostitution she
was like really
radical she was also a scam artist like the thing i found when i was looking
into the histories of all
these women they were into the occult or very anti-christian because they saw
it as patriarchal and
oppressive they were usually con artists or scammers so spiritualism and snake
oil salesman was like really
big and popular at the time this lady sold fake cancer cures she was wanted in
like four different
states for selling fake cancer cures to dying people and scamming them out of
their money
and by pushing suffrage she got a lot of people to fund her and give her money
and one of them was
cornelius vanderbilt and she would pretend to be able to contact the dead she
would say she could
contact like ancient greeks and and all these spirits like the spirit of abraham
lincoln was coming to
her in dreams and stuff i don't think cornelius believed that at all but what
he did know about
her was that she did run a prostitution ring and all her friends were hookers
who worked the wall
street gentlemen and so she basically had a spy network of prostitutes who
would give her insider
trading information he used that to game the stock market on the first black friday
i think it was like
1889 for today's equivalent of 26 million dollars according to the new york
times and when the new
york times interviewed him and said how did you do how did you come out 26
million at the time it was 1.3
but today's money 26 million how did you pull this off when everybody else has
just lost their ass and
he said do as i do consult the spirits so he said that this woman had contacted
the dead and given him
the tip that way but it was really just she had a prostitution ring so these
were the
these were the people involved okay and this is what they were really doing but
when gender studies
departments got a hold of this history they're not going to tell you any of
this their job was to
become the pr branch in the universities to sell marxism and feminism to young
women to revolutionize
and radicalize and they had helped doing that from the cia yeah at the same
time because we were in the
midst of a cold war and i'm not saying communism is good i'm definitely not but
according to the cia at
the time they were trying to push western liberalism as being superior to
communism in russia and the
eastern bloc so they thought feminism was good for that purpose so they helped
fund the beginning of
ms magazine they granted scholarships they made up like fake scholarships one
of which was given to
gloria steinem you know and then they had her employed for years um going
around the world pushing
feminism so it was it was never that the average woman was like i want to vote
i want to listen to
political debates i want to learn about economics and foreign policy i'm really
concerned about these
things and i want to know and i want to vote women were concerned about things
like having clean
drinking water clean milk safe parks um you know less crime all those sort of
things and one of the other
things they predicted would happen they said if you give women the vote and you
politicize us like this
it's all going to be it's not going to be about the welfare of our children and
communities anymore
it's going to be about things like abortion and birth control and what are the
only women's
issues that you ever hear about anymore in politics the right to abortion and
things like access to birth
control access to abortion it's like the only thing you hear now where are all
the women even on the
right like fighting for the things they were fighting for 150 years ago nowhere
it's all about
you know uh like even trump trump frustrates me on this because he wants he's
like we got to have
more programs to get all the moms back to work and i'm like why why do you want
to do that why do you
want to push all the moms back to work that's a terrible idea why do you think
he's saying that
he's a liberal and he's a feminist he loves hiring women it's probably his
biggest achilles heel if he
would stop hiring women and get rid of a lot of his problems but he loves
hiring women and he's very
pro-working woman he like his first wife one of the things he loved about her
was she was very like
successful in business and and things like that ivanka same thing and yes they
have kids but they
have nannies and they have all the money in the world to like support them
while they're off doing
this sort of thing but what happens to the average woman the promise of
feminism looks something like
you're going to have the corner office it looks like sex in the city you're
going to have the corner
office and you're going to be in paris over brunch having champagne and you
know assigning the ink on
the next deal and you're going to be doing all this exciting boss babe stuff
and then you can also have
a kid and you know the nanny will take care of the kid while you're doing all
this important stuff at
work and it's just going to be amazing the average woman like me ends up
working a basic like i'm a
retail manager i'm a waitress you know um i'm a school teacher i work a nursing
a 12-hour nursing shift
four nights a week and i have to come home and take care of my kids and my
family and
i feel like i can't do it all it's too much so a lot of women just aren't even
having kids anymore
i don't i'm sure you've looked at birth rates yeah it's kind of bad there it's
weird that no one's
talking about it and there's there was always this narrative about overpopulation
yes and it's only
been over the last decade or so that people start talking about population
collapse and the catastrophic
impacts of that particularly on some foreign countries like south korea japan
they do not have a
replacement rate right they're gonna be there won't be a south korea in the
near future if something
radical doesn't happen over there but this is uh there's a whole other chapter
in the book dedicated
to this whole thing and where this came from the malthusian population agenda
margaret sanger gave me
nightmares writing the chapter about her i literally had nightmares about her
because she was so evil
it's hard to everybody's heard what she said about black people by now most
people have heard oh that
they're the lowest of the low and we just need to get rid of them that it would
be best for humanity
if we could just convince all of the lower races to just stop breeding so they
planned parenthood on
purpose focused on african-american and indigenous communities and poor whites
too but um she was part of the
rockefeller bureau for social hygiene it was a eugenics program and planned
parenthood was a eugenics
program and she was so anti-natalist you can find clips of her on the internet
now where they would
interview her on the radio and she'd say if we're up to me nobody would ever
have babies anymore
we just would stop having them because life is terrible and life is hard and it's
suffering and
bringing children in the world is a terrible thing especially she said the most
this is a famous quote
of hers the most uh kind thing a large family can do to one of its young
members is to kill it
and her whole her whole shtick was sold on lies she told lies about her mother
she said that her mother
died from over breeding that she had so many children it just it just destroyed
her body and she died not
true her mom had tuberculosis and died from tuberculosis like half of everyone
back then so she
lied about that she told a fake story about a woman named sadie sacks who didn't
know how she kept
getting pregnant and the doctor refused to tell her because the bad male
doctors just wanted the women
to just keep having babies so they refused to tell them how that worked which i
went and asked my grandma
i'm like grandma you were around like in this exact time period did you and
your mom like not know how
babies were made she was like what are you talking about of course we knew that
in fact she said after
my sister was born her her younger sister was the fourth kid in the family the
doctor told my parents
like you guys need to be careful like time things and like try it because it's
you know she had some
health problems he's like another baby might be risky so if you want to avoid
that here's how you
avoid that she's like of course we knew this idea have known that since the
beginning of time of course
they have but she wrote a whole book that purported to have thousands of
letters from women around the
world writing to margaret sanger saying i'm only 23 and i'm on my 14th baby i'm
not kidding she would
she the numbers were insane she was alleging that there were 23 year olds who
were on like their 11th
pregnancy and dying from uh over birth and that they just didn't know how to
stop it and so she was like
this is why we need abortion clinics is for this reason now i looked into this
because there's
something called the margaret sanger papers project they have everything she's
ever done if she wiped
her mouth on a napkin they've got that in the archives they have everything do
you think out of
the thousands of letters she said that she got from women saying i just can't
stop having all these
babies and it's killing me and i'm miserable how many do you think are
preserved in the margaret sanger
papers project how many zero three three three out of thousands and i emailed
them directly and i asked
seems weird you guys have like literally letters that she wrote to her friends
you have like all this
documentation on everything she ever did certainly if she was getting thousands
of letters you've got
more than three and they said well we think it was mostly lost to time or she
sent them to abortion
doctors to encourage them to keep going because you know people didn't like
abortion doctors so we think
she sent it to a lot of abortion doctors to like you know give them a pep talk
and uh yeah we just don't
really know it's just lost to time so you think she made a lot of oh yes yes
especially because if you
read the book nobody reads this crap you know except me i'm crazy nobody else
wants to read all of their
horrible writing but in the book if you're reading these letters they sound
literally like they're all
written by the same person so it's extremely dubious at best i would love if
hey if the margaret sanger
papers project folks want to come and tell me like where all these are if there's
any proof of this i
would love to see it because i looked for two and a half years and couldn't
find anything in fact
the most popular uh sanger biographer in the world who like knows everything
about her admits that she
lied about tons of stuff she's like oh she lied about the sadie sacks story she
lied about why her mother
really died and she probably lied about you know those other stories and
letters too but she believed it was
for a noble cause she thought what she was doing was good and the other big
secret is she was getting
a lot of money she was getting paid by the rockefeller foundation and promoted
by people like hg wells
who she was also having an affair with they're all a bunch of creepers joe i'm
telling you she was
it sounded like she sounded like an insane person in the book yeah she was
married and had three kids she
left her kids in like hippie bohemian communities one of them died from neglect
in one of these
communities didn't care about her kids at all in fact one of her sons grew up
and said
my sister would not be dead if my mother gave any shits about us whatsoever but
she didn't she was
anywhere except where we were any excuse to leave she let her ex-husband take
the rap for her distributing
illegal um illegal stuff about like abortion and birth control that the comstock
laws didn't allow that back
then so she was wanted in court and was going to be put in jail for
distributing that stuff she let
her husband take the fall for it while she went to england and had affairs with
people like hg wells
and havelock ellis and they were all bisexual and they were all occultists and
doing all this crazy stuff
but people hg walls called her the most incredible woman ever to live and said
that she was going to
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because he was a
eugenicist who loved the idea of millions of abortions a year hg wells the war
of the worlds guy was a
eugenicist yep you should have jay dyer on to tell you about hg wells i brought
you this book i don't
want to know i love the war of the worlds he he wrote some great fiction but he
was a die-hard malthusian
these people really believed it was actually a very popular thing that we're
talking like right after
darwinism we're talking about just before the nazis we're talking about the kaiser
wilhelm
foundation it was a very popular position to be a in favor of social hygiene as
they called it which was
you know anybody with birth defects shouldn't be able to reproduce anybody of
the lower races or inferior
mentally um any of those kind of people shouldn't reproduce because we want you
know a cleaner better
human race going forward yeah so feminism was instrumental in that that's
actually where the
birth control pill came from as well margaret sanger the rockefeller foundation
the kaiser wilhelm
foundation and a lot of nazi scientists are the ones who started synthesizing
human hormones to make
birth control pills and they're the way they sold that was they said look i we
know abortion is very
unpopular people don't like it it's a very terrible thing that we have to do we
have to do it because
we don't want all these babies yeah but you know if you let us have the birth
control pill and you make
it like widely available and socially acceptable abortion will be a thing of
the past nobody will need one
ever again that's how it was marketed and sold to the world and it sounds right
it sounds reasonable
maybe it's better maybe it's better just to prevent all the pregnancies and
then we don't have to worry
about abortions but here we are in 2026 you can get abortion or um you can get
birth control pills for
four dollars at walmart you can go down to your local health department in your
county and get them for
free if you're under a certain income status and we still have well at least
before they overturned roe
v wade we still had about a million abortions a year in this country even with
the shot and the pill and
all these types of birth control and more education than we've ever had that
was the other thing when
i was in school right more sex head more sex ed and then no more teen pregnancies
it hasn't that
hasn't panned out whatsoever it turns out that if you take all the stigma away
from sexual activity you
tell everybody premarital sex is actually good you gotta you gotta get in there
and figure out how
things work before you get married you don't want to just get married that's ew
that's weird uh we
still have a million abortions a year we still have uh plan b pills and things
like this uh there's
been more babies aborted in the last century than all the men that have been
killed in all the wars
of the 20th century like far and away yeah it's crazy so um the the glorious dynum
cia thing is nuts
yeah that's nuts yeah because with the real tinfoil hat people want to think
that the cia has been
involved in every single social aspect including like the rock and roll
movement of the 1960s and there
seems to be some evidence yeah and and when you see like how far the tentacles
actually go
and then you see it like in feminism you go wait what what was she was what
yeah so explain so
gloria steinam was recruited out of smith college in the 50s as all women's
college
um she already had some pretty like left progressive kind of feminist uh leanings
and this is generally
how this works if you want to know how the left has taken over academia i have
a whole paper about
this on my sub stack how ngos and universities have just swung completely left
and they have just
captured the university systems they do it this way so they recruit her out of
smith college you know
she's writing papers about women's rights and and feminism and stuff like that
and they go she's
pretty good at this so they approach her and they say we're willing to offer
you something called the
chester bowls fellowship and she goes what's that and they're like well it
doesn't really exist we made
it up for you because what we're going to do is we're going to give you this
fellowship we're going to
send you to india we're going to send you to europe we're going to have you
tour the whole united
states do a media tour start a magazine to promote women's rights the things
that you believe in so it's
it's a little more sneaky than everybody sitting in a dark back room and like
plotting some evil plan
to like uh make america into a feminist hellhole it was more like we're trying
to promote liberal
democracy around the world because it's part of the cold war you're really good
at this feminism stuff
um and if we can get a lot of women voting and if we can get them into
universities and mobilize them
as a political uh group just similar to what they did with black people
convince blacks that
you're all oppressed you're all victims um and and radicalize them and make
them permanent democrat
voters same thing that they did with feminism so they sent her to india where
she worked for the
ford foundation again the same people who created gender studies um learned a
lot of interesting things
over there in india not sure what's going on in there i said in my book it's
like a hotbed of like
theosophy and like crazy like the dalai lama and there's a lot of weird stuff
going on in india i
don't know why they send everybody there and then when they leave india they go
and promote
this weird stuff that's what they do so they sent her to like eastern europe to
a youth festival where
she promoted feminism and this is at the time where the eastern block is still
communist and it's hard
to get in there but as a woman this is something uh traditionally they always
do with women it's very
easy to sneak female spies or propagandists in rather than men because they're
less suspicious
you know it's like oh she just wants to promote education for women and they're
like fine
she can come i guess whatever um so she's promoting feminism there then she
comes here
she's undercover at the playboy mansion weirdly undercover yeah she like people
didn't know she
was cia at this point she was like a playboy bunny for a little while what yeah
she was at the
hugh hefner mansion and undercover as a playboy bunny yeah that's hilarious
yeah to promote she was kind
of hot for like back in the day in the 70s this late 60s she was kind of hot
well compared to the
other feminists we had to choose from who else did we have betty for dan i don't
know if you've ever
seen is there any photos of gloria steinam at the mansion yeah there's a
picture of her in the bunny
costume oh we gotta see that yeah maybe jamie can pull it up well yeah i'm
trying to there's video too
i'm trying to see which is better yeah so um and that was to promote the sexual
liberation stuff
right hey women can for the cia yeah that didn't well yeah it didn't say for
the cia here but
yeah undercover playboy bunny it's an hbo original wow there's a documentary on
it
that's career i wonder how they frame it yeah this uh says it's for going about
exploiting women and low
wages see let me see if the photos of her down there where below where it says
images click on one of
those where it's her yeah she's pretty yeah good enough yeah that's on her
christie ellie yeah oh
is that christie ellie playing her must be oh yeah she played her glory and
that was in for what year
was that 85 wow that's crazy she did come out in her memoirs and talk about it
interesting and she also
talked about did she talk about that she was working for the cia yes so she
started ms magazine with cia funding
she was working with like clay felker and a couple of other is that her no that's
not her either
she was okay i mean it was nothing thrilling but it was it was good enough to
to get her in there and
like i said her and betty friedan had like this rivalry this vicious rivalry in
the press because
friedan was a marxist it's all there's always been this battle between like the
the liberal capitalist
type of feminist and the marxist type of feminist and betty friedan was not
attractive she was very
frumpy she was older um and the press loved steinem because she was like
stylish and cool she had like
highlights in her hair and she was kind of a hippie um so she got all the press
and she started ms
magazine um which there's a whole bunch on that in my book as well but yeah it
was like it was part of the
cold war it was part of pushing like the liberal democracy stuff to contrast it
against like the
communist eastern bloc at the time and it was very useful there's extensive
writing from so many people
in this movement about how hey if you can get women young women into
universities they're very easy to
propagandize they're very easy to program with whatever worldview you want to
give them and if
you want to make them into revolutionaries they make excellent revolutionaries
this is why right now
you see women in minnesota and portland and la going up to ice agents and
getting in their face and
calling them names and you know you got a small dick little man you think you're
tough if you're
wondering why why is it women why are women trying to like fight ice agents in
the streets it's because
we send them all to college they get indoctrinated with this marxist feminist
worldview that masculinity
is toxic and bad that men are inherently violent and oppressive and women are
inherently like
mother nature earth types who bring goodness and and fairness into the world
make sure everyone has
enough to eat this is the like false dialectic that everyone gets taught so
they see what what these
women see when they see ice arresting even if it's a sex criminal who has warrants
they don't care they
see him as a sweet innocent victim of the evil white patriarchy that these are
fascist nazis coming to
arrest the beautiful baby immigrants who are helpless and need protection from
mommy so they weaponize that
you see there's a video of this guy um going up to people to try to get um
people that ice has deported
brought back into the country have you seen this video no let me send it to you
jam because it's it's quite
funny because uh he's explaining how one of them uh the one he wants to get
back in the country has
committed five murders but he thinks he needs a second chance and they're 100
agreeing with him
it's like it's one of the funniest things it's like you you just you see how kooky
people are with this
stuff that it it's not like oh wow he's a bad person it's like no in their
little tiny blinders
sided ideological bubble anybody that gets to gets deported should be brought
in ice is bad immigrants
are good yeah and without any regard whatsoever the consequences of bringing
over murderers and rapists
and drug dealers and gang members put your headphones on real quick because
this is kooky bring back
illegal immigrants who were deported by ice we're with the bring the back
campaign can we get your
signature for our petition just need your name and email address specifically
we're trying to bring
back edwin hernandez from el salvador yeah we do have to disclose to you though
that he is an admitted
member of ms13 and he did kill five people back in el salvador but we think he
deserves a second
chance and we want to get him back that's him right there what do you guys
think about what's going on
with ice in this country oh it's um appalling i guess is maybe not even a
strong enough word so yeah
we're from maine um there's been a lot of ice activity in maine up in portland
right yeah up in
portland yeah that's where we live yeah so um i'm a teacher and um we there
were lots of students
that were afraid to come to school thank you so much yes hopefully we can get
uh edwin hernandez back
yeah so he doesn't have to be criminally convicted in el salvador right yes all
right thank you so much
thank you good work good work good work bring that murderer back eloise ms-13
gang members killed five
people yeah bring them back she's the perfect she's the perfect example she's a
school teacher
what school teacher do you know who's not liberal very few very few and most of
k through 12 is female
teachers by the time you get to high school there's a few more but i think it's
like 80 90 percent of
school teachers are women so they go to university they go for education and
they almost inevitably end
up getting some kind of women's studies course thrown in there and so they're
taught this worldview
that white men are evil and oppressive to women to minorities to poor people so
they see ed edwin
hernandez whatever his name is well sure he murdered five people but he wouldn't
have done that if he
wasn't poor and oppressed by the evil white patriarchy it's not fair and so she
wants to protect him and
she said there's kids who are afraid to come to school you know the kids are
afraid it's just like
the democrats last night with their little um reply to trump's state of the
union where they said the
same thing oh if you've been trying to protect your neighbors from the gestapo
who's coming to arrest
them we understand how stressful that is they just create this completely false
narrative that's not how the
world really works ask the average like white man out there who he's oppressing
because most of them
are just working hard as you know amazon delivery drivers or plumbers or right
sewage workers or
something like that the average white man has never had like this incredible
amount of power it's all
framing the minute you take away and destroy the framing that everyone accepts
this all falls apart
which is why i wrote the book because i'm like if women knew especially
specifically women like me
this is supposed to be for us this whole movement was supposed to be for me and
my daughters to uh
liberate us and i was like okay from what from the people who have the best
interest in protecting me
my father my husband my brother the men around me in order to believe the
feminist narrative that
men have systemically just always wanted to keep women down and oppress them
you'd have to believe
that they didn't care about their mothers their daughters their sisters their
grandmothers their
neighbor lady just just all the men wanted to just systemically oppress the
women so that they could
have free maids and uh you know sex bought women at home there was a ton of
propaganda in the 70s
as well about this remember the stepford wives movie where it was revealed in
the movie plot that like
all the evil men in this nice suburban neighborhood full of white people they
all had sex bot wives
they didn't want their real wives they wanted a mindless sex bot that cleaned
the house and baked
casseroles and this was supposed to imply that this is why men are oppressing
you they don't want you to
have a brain they don't want you to have input they don't want to hear your
thoughts on things or have
you be a real person they just want you to serve them you know what i mean that's
not how life is
life's a lot more complicated than that but when you fill the university
systems with this and then you
fill the workplace with it we've got hr we've got me too we've got all these
systems in place now that
actually promote feminism it's far and away the dominant social aspect of the
culture look at
every female celebrity every single one of them think of the top ones like kylie
jenner taylor swift
beyonce katy perry any of the really uh popular female pop culture they're all
girl boss sexual liberation
shitting on your ex-boyfriend men ain't i'm gonna dominate him with my you know
sexy physique and my
sexual prowess and it turns out that a lot of the ancient goddess worship which
was really popular
with feminists in the 70s there was a huge revival of that a lot of the goddess
archetypes that they
brought back had those same themes like the goddess khali who's a hindu goddess
with eight arms and blue skin
and a tongue hanging out of her mouth and all of her depictions in hinduism
they the feminists chose
that and put it on the cover of the first issue of ms magazine in 1973 that
seems like a weird choice
if you're trying to get suburban moms in 1973 to buy your magazine to put this
blue-skinned terrifying hindu
goddess on the cover so why did they do that well because they had her holding
an iron and a baby and like
all these domestic things right and the goddess khali symbolizes at least two
feminists vengeance against
men taking back power from men and having your revenge on them because that
goddess only accepts
male sacrifice male human sacrifice especially on the battlefield she like
drinks the blood of
deceased male warriors yeah very and she's intentionally terrifying and she's
supposed to like symbolize this
and let me see what she looks like jamie yeah if you pull up that the god just
put up the ms magazine
goddess khali there it is
women tell the truth about their abortions
wow i'm raising kids without what year was this 1973. wow yeah on the housewife's
moment of truth
this was the huge propaganda campaign to convince women that staying home and
raising your own kids is
actually horrific oppression and it's abuse and you're enslaved you want to be
at work working for
your boss you want to be paying those taxes you want to don't submit to your
husband submit your boss
though right that's fine but or become the boss yeah or become the boss which
again we've had 50 years
of trying to push women to be the boss and guess what they really don't want to
and this is what i always
say some of them do though some of them do that's true and not a lot of fun
they're not i would say
there's always been like five percent of women who are genuine outliers who are
really not cut out for
motherhood who can go out there and crush it who are going to do something else
historically usually it
was like maybe you would uh become a monastic like a nun or something maybe you
would run a boarding
school or a tavern like women have owned businesses and done other things in
almost every culture but
you should be free to do that the the issue is like are we indoctrinating
people into a very specific
ideology in schools and universities yes and is that why they're going into
something that really maybe
they're not that outlier and they wouldn't really be interested in it you know
uh i was talking the
other day about this video that i saw on instagram um a while back where there
was this woman she was
talking about how when she was in college she was dating this guy who was a
christian and he wanted a
traditional family and he's like i'll take care of you and i'll raise our kids
and she goes i didn't
want that i wanted to go out there in the world so i got my education and i got
the job and i'm doing the
the thing that i want to do and i don't want it she goes i don't and she was
crying she's like i don't
want it she goes like this is not what i want i'm not happy and i fucked up
yeah and it's just
crazy terrible you're like how many people silently feel like that yeah well
the the truth is that since
this book came out a few years ago i've paid a pretty high personal cost for
putting this information
out there and in the first chapter i say look i'm just going to present to you
the actual
facts about the history and what really happened because i think it's for you
women to decide this
is supposed to be for you i want you guys to look at what really happened and
the results of that and
the whole last chapter is like a ton of statistics about where are we now after
50 years of this being
the super dominant thing it's not great it's not great but i was like i want
women to have the ability
to look at it truthfully for themselves and decide what they think and i have
been slandered i have
been the things that have been said about me the lies and the gossip that have
been spread like online
calling me everything under the sun just wild crazy rumors about my personal
life that are
not true um because that's going to happen yes it is it is going to happen it
says anything controversial
kind of seen as somebody betraying the sisterhood right because we're so
programmed that it's like
the knee-jerk reaction from women oftentimes but i get hundreds now emails dms
letters in the mail even
um from to our p.o box from women like one was a lady who was like i'm 60 years
old i'm sitting here
reading your book and it's covered with tears because i fell for this now i'm
60 years old i have
no husband i have no kids i have a shitty job that i hate i'm gonna die alone
and i can't go back and
change any of it what do i do do you know who's upset about it too the lady who
created sex in the city
oh yeah did you see that she's a gem yes there's like a little a video about
that isn't there where
um she said that she regrets having ever made that yeah isn't that crazy
because how many women
saw that and like i'm gonna be that boss girl yeah i'm gonna be that what was
the one lady that
everybody the hot blonde lady uh jamie you're a giant aren't you a giant fan of
sex in the city no
but that's the character's name about character actor both samantha's character
yeah that uh lady
she was in all the like eighties crawl that's it yes super hot yeah yeah and it
was like i'm gonna be
like her i'm gonna be a samantha yeah i know yeah well i mean it was pushed on
me really hard and i was
told i was told you're like a loser i'll never forget this it was like maybe 12
years ago somebody
um from the rnc that i was arguing with online about this she told me you
should be ashamed of
yourself you are not a proper conservative woman and you are not contributing
to the movement
by staying home with your kids i said really how's that she goes what about the
gdp
she's like if you were a real republican you'd be out there working and
contributing to the gdp
and i was like right you're right raising five children and trying to make them
the best human
beings i can i can help them be who wants to do that i should get out there and
work for a corporation
that's gdp was her argument yeah and that's crazy i debate feminists all the
time yeah online i'm
pretty undefeated if anybody wants a piece well here's the thing about liberals
online i was just
talking to andrew about this she said that was incorrect the take on her the
opposite is true
i've never regretted not having children i feel compelled to have a career
since i was a child
but who's judging not me read all about it my new book but i thought so why
does it say here
sex in the city writer candace bushnell 60 admits she regrets choosing a career
or having children as
she's now truly alone i don't know and then there's a link i would imagine she
was selling a book and
they're taking something out to get some headlines um this is the daily mail
though the daily mail is a
little sus right it's pretty click on that highlight that and click on that
article that daily mail
article like do they quote her even if so just the even if it's not candies
there's there's definitely
plenty of other women who push this 100 but i wonder like how are they able to
say that she regrets
this if she doesn't if there's no quote attached to it so what does it say here
then when i got
divorced i was in my 50s started to see the impact of not having children and
being truly alone okay i do
see that people with children have an anchor in a way that people who have no
kids don't okay and what
does it say below that anymore does she elaborate she explained that she didn't
feel like dating in her
2000 after a 2012 divorce ballet dancer she married a ballet dancer red fly
sorry male ballet dancers i'm just kidding um it's not that long to get to my
age i know women who
have gone longer uh that was it that was the entire quote yeah i was looking
her up well i can see why
they took it that way then but that seems like maybe she's saying overall she
still thinks it was better
to go after or maybe she's just gaslighting everybody to sell a book you know
maybe she's
like you want to sell that book you better be like on the go-go boss girl i
suppose so but like you
asked you asked me like is do women really want to be in the workplace or are
they only kind of really
choosing that's a giant generalization anyway right of course it is obviously
some women do and some
women don't and there's a lot of women who naturally maternally want to have
children want to have
family well and then it's also finding a guy that you can trust that you care
about and you think
it's going to stick with you and he's really going to be invested in this whole
thing and someone who's
like a solid man who's not going to become an alcoholic and lose his job and
fall apart that you're
fucked and yeah that's what happened to me that can happen to anybody but that
aside for just a moment
uh simone de bouvois the arguably the biggest feminist of second wave the
french intellectual
who was uh buddies with john paul sartre and they got in trouble for grooming
underage kids and seducing
them and all kinds of crazy stuff but she's respected as the greatest feminist
intellectual of the 20th
century and she was super influential and in a 1970s interview with betty friedan
she said
i don't believe that society should give women the opportunity or the choice to
stay home and be
mothers because if we do they're all going to pick that and i don't think it
should be an option so
it was the view of the feminists that yeah they and susan b anthony and elizabeth
katie stanton said
that they said uh we would have never passed suffrage had it not been for men
if it was ever left
up to women alone we would have never passed suffrage they would have never
gone for it they
don't want liberation now of course from their view they're like well it's
because they're oppressed
and they don't know that they hate their solid their slavery yet they just
haven't realized how
oppressed they are and if they could see it you know for what it is they wouldn't
like it but
we couldn't convince them for a hundred years we had to convince the men that
it would don't you want
your daughters to like have their own money and this and that um so the feminists
themselves say women
didn't want it if we ever left it up to women they wouldn't have ever chosen it
like at least not as
a whole sure there would always have been a minority but i would argue that the
minority of women who
fought for that were the ones that the status quo historically of get yourself
a good man have a
family um stay home it doesn't work for them so like a lot of them there's a
book about this um edward
dutton wrote a book about witches feminism in the fall of the west where he
says traditionally like
women the archetype of the witch being ugly and haggard and living on the
outside of town
it's kind of historically accurate most of the feminists like have you ever
seen a picture of susan b anthony
for no for example i have not she is uh aesthetically challenged we'll say that
so is betty friedan so are
a lot of these women uh not all but a lot of them are and i think we're not
really interested in them
i think they look at the system and they go well this isn't fair to me you know
i'm smart i can do
other things i'm just a baby factory the amount of women who have called me a
baby factory it's pretty
insane because i have five kids well they're not fun women no they're not fun
women but they're like i
i don't want to be you you're just a baby factory it's like the same kind of
men that call me toxic
male oh yeah you know it's just how dare you be a successful masculine archetype
of a man you're
not very threatening right it's very threatening to people well in some ways i'm
the weirdest person to
be here talking about this because i grew up a tomboy uh and i have a lot of
like people use this
against me they're like oh you're actually really masculine for a woman you may
not always look super
masculine you're really in a firearms i'm really i'm a firearms instructor i
love weightlifting i'm
like an og meathead i love bodybuilding i did power lifting for years i grew up
on farms playing in the
mud with the other boys in the neighborhood that's what i liked to do but i
think that when you grow up
like that as a woman you realize like i'm really strong for a woman i can deadlift
250 pounds for sets of
five but the guy next to me who has never trained in his life can do that too
and you give him six
months in the gym and he's going to blow past me you know you just you have a
more realistic
understanding of how that works and i think that in the modern era all the
feminist side debate
they live in this world that we're sitting in the studio right now and all this
wonderful stuff
that allows me to be here talking to you and talking to all the folks that are
watching the microphone the
technology everything was built by men you'll hear the hedy lamar thing that
she came up with wi-fi
no it's not true really no it's not true she she worked with a man on a precursor
to it but it wasn't
her it wasn't like she by her i think so i think they actually were i think it
was one of her
boyfriends i could be wrong on that but no if you like even if you just ask grok
is that really true
and it's like ah well a little bit but not really and that but far and away men
are the builders and
maintainers of infrastructure and technology and they always will be because
the truth is women have had
a hundred years to get into that stuff and they just don't really want to they'd
rather be interior
designers or psychologists or things that are um you know about people and
social dynamics and
you know aesthetics and stuff like that i'm that way too i have like a really
strong intellectual
logical side i love debating and all that kind of stuff but i also love
smelling babies heads and
dressing them in cute little outfits and you know i love glitter and sparkly
things so it is what it is
women don't want to go be men right that's what we're finding out after 100
years of this is that
when you make women be men they hate it like that lady that um tried to be a
man have you heard of
that story where the woman tried to pose as a man for like a year and she ended
up deleting herself i
think because it was so horrible like it was so awful she was like life as a
man is awful it's tough
it's hard nobody cares about your feelings nobody's coming to rescue you and i
think women
growing up in this era they don't think about when they turn on the light
switch in the morning how
that happens when they get in their car and drive to work they don't think
about who built the road
they're driving on who built the cars or designed them or who changes their oil
as all men that when
they flush the toilet they don't think about hey if that toilet backs up or the
sewage you know the sewer
treatment plant has a problem it's going to be men that go in and fix it if
there's a hurricane or an ice
storm who's going to be back out in the dangerous weather trying to rescue
people and get the power
going to be men i'm waiting for the feminists to come and rescue all the people
from the flood waters
and to put the power lines back up after the tornadoes come through so far they
have not
appeared they haven't shown up to do the dirty dangerous and difficult jobs
that men do and i'll
believe them that what they want is equality when they start signing up for
those jobs well it's just
such a bizarre perspective to think that it's not a huge task to raise children
yeah and to care for
them and communicate with them and see to their emotional needs and and help
them solve things
and figure things out and help them with their school work and just normal
stuff that is so crucial
to the development of a child yeah and we've somehow because there's no
monetary you can't like put a
number on that like what how valuable it is it's not valuable if it's not
bringing in money if it's not
contributing to the gdp yes yeah that that whole the like myth of women's unpaid
labor um i'm glad
you brought that up i just finished a huge project that i'm working on with uh
andrew my my excellent
has a handsome husband and uh stephen crowder dr david patrick harry and rob
norr who's a uh champion
debater we put together a feminist debate course that's coming out really soon
i think this week i think
it drops this week and we go over all these myths and debunk them and we tell
we show people and
demonstrate like how to debate this feminism thing because it's a leviathan it's
a beast if you take
it on like one of the reasons i'm out here doing it is because when men try to
argue against feminism
or feminists they immediately get slapped with you're a misogynist you hate
women you're an incel all the
tropes you have a small dick what are you gay like just all the insults right
well when i sit in front of
them and make those arguments you can't really just get away with that you have
to contend with them
because i'm a woman right i mean you could try to insult me but it's not going
to land the same as
when you do that to a man so we put together this course to try to help people
deconstruct the framing
that's been built question all the founding axioms that feminism was this good
necessary grassroots thing
that it's good for women that if it ever went away all the women would be chained
to the stove in
servitude not not allowed to learn how to read or drive a car when you hear
about like women's
oppression in the middle east that's a result of islam in christendom that was
never a thing like
even in like ancient christianity was one of the first places that women were
really seen as full human
beings and a lot of it's because of the theotokos the mother of god the virgin
mary being the ark of
the new covenant that brought christ into the world for man's salvation she was
even asked by an angel
and she said let it be so which is so bizarre that modern feminist women
support islam yes they do and
they hate christianity and they hate the virgin mary they don't like her being
an archetype of virginity
and motherhood you know and strength and men's salvation they don't like that
but they'll support
islam all day long that's fine it's so strange it's it's so strange that it
worked it's it's so strange
that something that goes against actual human nature somehow or another became
the prevailing ideology
amongst liberal women yeah um the occult aspect of it was very shocking yes it
was very it was very
shocking to me you didn't know when i started researching to put together the
book i thought it
was going to be mostly about the funding of the feminist movement the jekyll
island club being the
same guys that like went to the jekyll island in secret and put together the
income tax and the federal
reserve and then compulsory education system i thought it would be mostly about
that and the fact
that women never wanted it that women weren't the ones that just came together
and demanded it and
then i started researching all the like popular figureheads and really reading
their stuff because
i was like this is a very unpopular it's i'm making pretty intense claims here
so i really have to be
able to back it up and i better make sure i'm correct and i better make sure i'm
accurate
because whenever you're challenging a narrative this big everyone's going to go
through with a fine-toothed
comb and try to see where i'm wrong or see if i'm lying or see if i'm twisting
things so i did two and a
half years of just reading feminist literature it was rough but i got through
it and what i found was
holy moly most of these women almost all but certainly most were into spiritualism
which was like a big 1800s
movement of like trying to do seances and contact the dead and things like that
theosophy which combines
like eastern occult practices with like other western traditions ancient
goddess worship new age stuff
and even satanism and luciferianism in fact in my book i cite a book that's a
phd thesis by a professor
from norway his name's per faxnel i don't know if that's the way you pronounce
it but that's how it's
spelled p-e-r it's called satanic feminism his book and now he himself is a satanist
he's a luciferian
himself so he sees it as a good thing that the women of the 19th century openly
declared lucifer as their
liberator and the mascot of their movement now you would look back and think
these were christian women
because they were in like new england and stuff in in the united states puritan
communities and
things like this but they weren't in fact elizabeth katie stanton and a bunch
of her friends wrote
something called the woman's bible in 1895 where they rewrote the bible from a
feminist perspective
and took out the things that they thought uh were oppressive and patriarchal
and in the intro stanton
herself says i think her husband was a preacher maybe or something really
involved with the church at the
time but she said i don't believe that any man has ever heard anything from god
i don't believe the
bible is divinely inspired i think all of christianity was made up specifically
by men to oppress women
that's my personal belief she was more of like a proto new ager she believed in
like this monism stuff
and she said if i could monism yeah monism is like the kind of a lot of the new
age or even some of
the dmt bros will kind of come to this conclusion that there's like a one that
we have to return to
like we're all one and we're all god and we forgot that we need to return to
one yeah we're all we're
all god i've heard that one before yeah and we got to return to the one and
they were writing about
this stuff in like the early 1800s is like transgenderism gender abolition
gender as a
spectrum was being written about by margaret fuller in the 1840s in america and
she said we're never
going to return to the one as long as we have this gender division so in the
future i'm envisioning a
future with no gender there's no men and women anymore and she said nobody's
really born a man or a woman
you're either you're on this spectrum and some people are more on the male side
and some people
are more on the female but nobody is like fully one or the other it's i had
that argument once where
the guy was a professor it was one of the dumbest conversations i've ever had
on this podcast and i
eventually had to say to him if you go buy a puppy and it's a boy puppy but you
wanted a girl puppy
do you say that there is no gender what do you do right like what do you do
like what are we talking
about here you're saying that some men don't exist that men aren't real that
women aren't real that
no one is a man and no one is a woman like that's crazy how did you get here
you got here because
someone with an xy chromosome had sex with someone with an xx chromosome and
that's how it works it's
like a biological definition based on objective reality yes like we all know
that but there's
this weird fucking dance and that dance if you keep just asking questions like
why is that dance what
are you doing like why are you saying that like what does that mean well what
about this and what about
that it just falls apart but yet they have this weird resistance to facts yes
very strange well this
is why the occult was so appealing to these people and why so like feminists
are drawn to the occult and
occultists are drawn to feminism because in most occult traditions there is
this idea of gender bending
and gender fluidity and um transcending gender yeah in order to uh transcend to
something higher to become
the stars again or to become part of the one monad or so i i'm reading all
their backgrounds and
they're all writing about this stuff many of them claimed to be automatic
writers so they would write
a book about feminism say it's not coming from me it's coming from this entity
that is speaking through
me yes yeah like that kind of stuff so they would do that um they would like uh
victoria woodhull would
claim to be able to contact the dead or they would just say this christianity
stuff is only here to
oppress women lucifer was the good guy kind of the promethean myth of like
actually he was the good one
because he enlightened us and gave us you know free will and luciferianism is
very strange because
you look at the definition of luciferianism you think oh they're going to say
someone who believes
that the devil yes is god but it's not quite that like please pull up uh pull
up perplexity our
wonderful ai sponsor and ask it what is the definition of luciferianism because
i when i went down this
rabbit hole with your book i looked this up so it's very strange diverse belief
system by the way
that's a weird way to say a diverse belief system uh-huh that reveres lucifer
not as a christian
devil but as a symbol or deity of enlightenment knowledge and human potential
yes lucifer yes
fucking satan uh-huh the guy who rules hell yeah everybody burns for eternity
luciferianism uh luciferians
emphasize self-improvement free will and intellectual pursuit over traditional
religious religious dogma
they view lucifer as a light bringer or liberator often drawing from pre-christian
figures like prometheus
practices may include ceremonial magic but the focus is typically on personal
empowerment rather than the
worship of evil but that's a trap door ain't it yes it is that's what it seems
exactly what it is it
seems like a trap door just the way they describe it you're like oh well that's
me man i'm into
self-improvement and that's why it's we're all god i'm god and that's where you
get moral relativism
secular humanism comes from luciferianism by the way and in the 20th century
almost all the feminists signed
like the humanist manifestos and things like that the secular humanism stuff
where it's like
morality is subjective you know what's right for you at the time is what's
right and what's right or wrong
for me at the time and there is no objective moral facts yeah by the way the
reason they get away with
rewriting the history on feminism is because they use something called
standpoint theory and this is a
an epistemological framework that asserts that there is no such thing as
objective historical truth or facts
there's no objective timeline of history there are no historical facts and to
the extent that these
historical facts exist they were created by white patriarchal oppressors to
perpetuate their patriarchal oppression
oh boy we can't know the real history unless it's told from the perspective of
the most oppressed woman
and so that is how they rewrote everything and the stuff you're getting from
their textbooks the things
you're being taught in in university is this stuff it's not anything having to
do with objective
historical timelines so lucifer appears explicitly only once in the bible in isaiah
14 12 king james
version how art thou fallen from heaven o lucifer son of the morning how art
thou cut down to the ground
which didst weaken the nations and also this uh original context uh uh lucifer
translates from the hebrew term
meaning shining one bright one or light bear often linked to the morning star
yeah there's a there's a i think the later link in the later history is the
hell and say scroll back
down again with that stop right there it says uh oh not originally a proper
name or reference to satan
so but that is satan though right so it's who became satan yeah right so it's
like lucifer before he
went bad the old days like the beatles the early albums yeah i think so no well
it's so lucifer's not satan
what well the orthodox tradition is that he is and there's multiple names for
him so sometimes he's
called the adversary sometimes he's called different things the the modern
protestant interpretations of
things because they use sola scriptura there's a ton of like word concept fallacies
where they think
this word always refers to this one thing and they're not correct about that so
like our church tradition
says yes he is satan um he is the adversary he's you know the evil one he's got
lots of names um i think
lucifer is like his name is an angel but but so he was a fallen angel become
satan yeah so what
but obviously if someone it's not just a fallen age it becomes like the worst
being in the world or in the universe like how could you ignore that and only
concentrate on
the self-improvement part could you name that after somebody else yeah there
are a lot of other
self-improving people in the bible well that's the thing it just seems tricky
what this really comes
down to like the the name of the book is occult feminism it has two meanings
the first meaning is
a lot of these women were really into the occult right that's the most obvious
one but the second
one is occult the term itself just means hidden and there's a whole history
here that's been completely
intentionally hidden from both women and men but specifically from women that
if they knew it
i think they'd have a whole different view of this movement and they would
question a lot of its
foundational grounding axioms and and all the presuppositions we have that it
was to protect women
so if if we look at that if we look at the promises of feminism the promises we
were told
it's going to protect you from abusive men from unhappy abusive marriages it's
going to give you more
freedom and more choice in your life those were the the selling points and the
things we were promised
but if you actually like look at the statistics you look at the outcomes of
what's happened since
feminism became dominant and we pushed women into the workforce we discouraged
them from i mean
antinatalism is so rampant i mean you hear people refer to children as like icky
they call them
crotch goblins they call them you know sex trophies all these like uh derogatory
terms for children
and parents and you see the dual income no kids people the dinks making all
their like tick tocks
about like a day in our life is dinks we went to the taylor swift concert last
night and then we slept
in extra late and then we had brunch and smoked a joint like you know chelsea
handler look we have no
responsibility we live purely for ourselves we do whatever we want it's so
great so it's like always
been this dialectic of do you want to be self-sacrificial and give of yourself
for something
greater that goes into the future long after you're gone this greater purpose
that's going that you might
never even see fully the fruits of in your lifetime or do you want to party and
have fun and go after
what you want now and be kind of hedonistic kind of selfish and that's the that's
the luciferian paradigm
like even um the satanic temple guys anton lave and all those guys they said
look we're not even like
deistic satanists we just think i'm my own god i decide what's right for me i
do what i want in my
life for my own fulfillment and nobody is entitled to anything from me i decide
if and
when i want to give anything to anyone this life is for me those are kind of
the two sides you kind
of end up on and so when i when i say a cult i kind of mean that too i kind of
mean like yeah raising
five kids was really hard i did i didn't buy fancy new clothes i didn't get
beauty treatments i didn't
do much of anything for myself i went like 20 years with no sleep uh it was you
know it's it is hard
work but my children and hopefully their children who is who i wrote this book
for when i wrote it i
thought it was going to be like i didn't know i was going to be here talking
about it i thought it was
going to be for like my grandkids and my great grandkids and things like that
because i wanted them to
know this stuff um that's hard it's hard work and on the front end of that the
first 20 years
that you're raising kids it feels kind of thankless sometimes it feels tough
and you go what am i doing
all this for it so my friends are out at the concert they're partying every job
feels like that yes so
when you put in all that hard work and sacrifice on the front now i'm in my mid-40s
my kids are all grown
i have children that are like in their mid-20s adults my youngest is in high
school i have more
time to do other things that's why i said we give women backwards advice we
tell them spend all your
fertile years building an education and a career and then later if there's time
for a family maybe you
can do that if you want to be weird what we should tell women i think is you
can do a lot of things i'm
not saying you only have children and you never do anything else and that was
never the case historically
it was never the case i had my first child at 20 i had my last one at 32. i got
a lot of living god
willing you know that i'll be able to do other things i'm doing this now um
once i have grandkids
you'll probably never see me again because hopefully i'll be doing a lot with
that um i'll have time to
do things for my church for my community i could do anything i want i can
garden i can write books
there's a million things you could do and that was always the case this idea
that women didn't have
choices before feminism is nuts they were writing novels they were supporting
themselves you know
doing all kinds of other things and what's happened after feminism is now i
think you don't have many
choices because like my daughters my my uh second oldest is like i would love
to just get married
right now and have kids but like how do we pay for it what do i what do i do
until i find a husband
like between 18 say i don't find a guy till i'm 23 what do i do for those five
years just stay at home
and total my thumbs like what do i do do i get a job she feels like she doesn't
have choices she would
love to stay home and have kids um most of the women who write to me are like i
had one lady write
to me and say i ever since i got together with my boyfriend and started going
to church with him
all i can think about day in and day out is getting married and having kids i
daydream during the day
about my future children and i dream about them in my dreams at night that's
all everything in me wants
to do that but i'm in my last year of dental school and i have all this debt
and my parents fully
expect me to graduate and start a dental practice and if i told them i'm not
going to do that i'm just
going to stay home and have kids they would lose it they would probably disown
me they would think
i'd lost my mind they would say are you kidding you can't do that and i talk to
women all the time
who feel like they're trapped that way and the truth is feminism didn't make
anything safer for women
it did the opposite if you look at we have so much data on this cohabitative
relationships where you
just live with your boyfriend have a 35 higher domestic violence rate than
married couples if
you look at child abuse there's something called the national incident study i
have a whole breakdown
of this on my substack too it's gone over the last 45 years of all the data we
have from every reporting
agency in the country it's the most comprehensive one for the last 45 years um
children who live with
married biological parents are 12 times safer by on every metric whether it's
sexual abuse physical
abuse emotional abuse neglect by a factor of 12 times safer than any other
living situation
and kids that come from disrupted family living situations like mine where you
got divorced parents
and like dad's got a girlfriend mom's got a new husband those sort of things
those are all far far far
unsafer for children on every level that we look at and then if you look at
kids from fatherless homes
the risk for everything uh addiction learning disabilities mental health
problems uh ending up in a juvenile
facility being homeless it's like between 70 to 85 percent of kids in those
situations come from fatherless homes
so what we've done over the last 50 years is take dads and husbands out of the
home and replace them with the government
and it has made women and children more vulnerable to abuse to abandonment to
ending up on welfare to ending
up in any number of bad situations that you can think of it didn't protect us
and i think if more
women knew that they would at least you know give it a second thought and be
like hmm maybe the whole
getting married and having kids thing isn't so terrifying we don't fear monger
women about what can
go wrong if you dedicate your whole life to a career you know we don't tell
them well what if this happens
what what if you try to be a brain surgeon and then you get parkinson's and you
can never work again
but like what percentage of people in this country families in this country
require both parents to
work in order to get by most most so what's the solution to that well i think
it's not going to be
quick it's going to be a multi-generational project but i think if you give
women the choice i
believe simone de bouvois when she said that if you give women the choice more
and more will choose
to be moms and stay home at least more if they can't if in this situation we're
specifically talking
about where they require two incomes in order to pay the bills so that was me
so when andrew and i got
together um and we had two kids of our own we've now got a house full of kids
he's um you know starting
his career he's making okay money but nothing crazy and we had to like move out
to the country where it's
cheaper we had chickens we had a garden i had i learned how to be a firearms
instructor because
i could teach a class on a saturday only be gone for one day of the week and
make like 2 000 bucks
so i could make like a week's worth of money only working one day a week on the
day that he's home
so like my advice to people i'm not super huge on giving advice because it
depends there's a lot going
on that i don't know your situation but you have to get creative try to find
things you can do on the side
well it's one of the benefits to covid is now something like 30 of work is
remote from homework
if you can do that and kind of structure your day more around the kids and work
at night maybe when
dad's home things like that that's kind of an ideal situation in an ideal
situation yeah um i wanted to
talk about jack parsons oh yeah and uh all the craziness because we we had um
gone over the fact
that this guy was uh working for nasa he was involved in rocketry yes and yet
he was an avowed satanist
yes and he got involved in the whole feminist movement yeah through through his
girlfriend
marjorie cameron who was like an archetype of the scarlet woman so parsons was
kind of like he created
like a kind of an occult cult that was a break off from aleister crowley and
had a lot of crowleyan
beliefs and when he met marjorie cameron she was like this rebellious redhead
who smoked and drank and
slept around and like all the hollywood dudes in his circle kind of liked her a
lot of his friends
slept with her too um and she was very into the occult and she was really into
like witchcraft and
ritual magic and so was he and so when they met it was like instant chemistry
and the rumor the legend
is that they spent like i don't know multiple many days even like up to a
couple of weeks non-stop
doing sex magic together like that's all they did for a couple weeks with sex
magic so
according to like crowley and a lot of these kind of like more openly satanist
left-hand path type of
occultism the sexual experience and the orgasm is super powerful because it can
channel your emotions
in a way that nothing else can you get like this big surge of energy and
emotion that will make whatever
spell or ritual you're doing more powerful so crowley's favorite thing to do
was sodomize fellas in order to
worship demons or invoke demons yeah he had he had pets he had dudes that were
his little boy his bottoms
for his i i need to go uh was crowley gay or bisexual he was bi he had a lot of
women he would do this
stuff with too but he thought that the homosexual stuff basically the more
degenerate right it is
the more intense it's going to make the spell so oh boy so cast spells wise but
yeah whoa whoa and then
you add a little bit of hallucinogenic drugs in there too and and so that's
where you really get
the good stuff what impact did all these people have on feminism so i mean parsons
was also friends
with the guy who uh came up with scientology um hubbard yep and they actually
fought over marjorie
cameron for a while and when parsons died because he blew himself up you know
at home working on a
rocket he blew himself up cameron didn't handle it well she freaked out she
moved out into the desert
and was and started her own community cult of like moon children so nuts it's
so nuts she specifically
recruited like all different races of people like she focused on finding dudes
to impregnate her
supposedly to make moon children who were gonna like bring the antichrist and
they'd go out into the
desert and live on this ranch together and do a bunch of peyote and she made
like art i have some
of her art in the books this crazy weird looking crazy art um one of her
paintings is called peyote vision
it's wild but she was doing all the sex magic stuff to try to like reincarnate
him to try to bring about
the antichrist she thought she was the scarlet woman that was going to be like
the antichrist
version of mary where the antichrist is born through this scarlet woman and it's
references to babylon
and and the end times in the bible and all this stuff which crowley did all
that stuff too
and she was a feminist icon because this stuff goes along with being rebellious
it's it's there's a
reason there's like an archetype of feminists like a stereotype that they're
all they have daddy issues
they're man haters with daddy issues because they kind of are it's usually like
they're very against
god they're very against their dad like you can't tell me what to do you're not
the boss of me
i'm a strong independent woman i'm going to get what i want even if i have to
use my sexuality to do
with it it's like a very recurring theme of using sexuality because women don't
have the monopoly on
force men do so what do women have to get power sexuality and the power of like
determining who
gets to reproduce did you know that twice we all have twice as many female
ancestors as we do male
ancestors no so throughout history genetic studies show that twice as many
women have been able to
reproduce as men because we can't that's where our power is our power is if you're
a fertile female
someone's gonna fertilize you you don't have to be special or do much as a man
you have to compete
you have to have resources you have to out compete the other men who are trying
to get the female
pregnant that sort of thing and a lot of men historically died in battle really
young or
doing dirty or dangerous jobs you know they died younger a lot of times
or in war and then you'd have war brides you know so they'd get impregnated
again by like the enemy who
took them back to their homeland that kind of thing so yeah we we have this
that's where women
feel that their power lies is in sexuality that's why every pop star and every
movie star who's a
famous woman for the most part there's a handful of exceptions but most of them
they'll do anything to stay hot you know they're trying to be sexy at 70 like
um
who was that jane fonda sexy at 70 sexy at 80 you know she's gonna be sexy
forever hearing bones crack
ow my hip yeah yeah it was like uh i mean jennifer lopez is kind of doing that
too she's had how
many husbands and engagements and divorces and she's still out there in the thong
shaking it on vegas
you know her vegas shows and stuff and yeah she looks good she's got endless
money to do endless
things to look good lord knows what they're doing but um that's where women
think their power comes
from so cameron was like big into pushing this into the california like uh
counterculture in the 60s
and at the time this was like well in the 50s and 60s so like even people like
sammy davis jr who's
another guy that said he was a satanist sammy davis jr was a satanist hanging
out with sinatra
yeah that's what he said now you wonder sometimes if they just say that for
shock value i don't know
or maybe they had fun parties oh they definitely had they were they were having
diddy parties before
diddy was around you know what i'm saying so cameron was the it girl in the
counterculture in la and
her art was really popular and stuff and there's a lot that kind of came out of
her popularity that
went into the mainstream later in like these scarlet women archetypes of like
the sexy bad
girl who's rebellious and is undomesticated and unattached you know what i mean
and that's become
the cool girl now for a lot of people and that's why like you'll see
celebrities talking about oh i've
had four abortions yeah so what i do what i want and i'm not going to be held
down by no man or no baby
i'm gonna i'm a strong independent woman out here and i decide you know that's
what that's why you
see women screaming about how abortion is great they go to these rallies and
they're just like
screaming the most horrible things and i think if you convince enough women
that motherhood and
having babies is like this horrific oppressive ball and chain which is what my
mother was convinced of
she was totally convinced she said to me once having children's the worst thing
that ever happened to me
no offense she said no offense but it's the worst thing that ever happened to
me and i asked her
once i was like what do you what is it that you would have gone and done you
know if it weren't
for having kids she had no idea she had no answer she just knows that it would
have been great you know
what i mean so it's like they use a lot of fear of missing out a lot of indoctrinated
yeah yeah and then
that becomes your primary narrative and you believe it no matter what and you
just default to that no matter
what yeah and all your discomfort is because of this thing that you've already
identified this is
the problem patriarchy men i got saddled down with kids that's why i'm
miserable not because
i'm completely unproductive i don't have a good community i'm not healthy right
all the above isn't
it weird have you ever noticed like all the videos women will make about how
they get a divorce
i just went through my divorce and then i had a poor a post-divorce glow up
they lose 40 pounds they get in
shape they get their hair done then maybe get a little plastic surgery a little
botox a little
filler and they're like look at me now and it's like if you had done that while
you were married
you'd probably still be married and having a great time with your husband
perhaps the husband's a
fucking loser sometimes a lot that happens there's a lot of losers out there
there's a lot of guys i
wouldn't want to hitch my wagon to that's true as a woman like count on this
fucking dipshit to figure
things out i think that's the other uh result of the sexual liberation stuff
though is like what
motivation do men have to be like good dependable upstanding providers right
when they can just
sleep around and be boys and losers and that's where the dating apps are so
crazy it's so crazy like
you're on a date someone says one thing you don't like like let me just pick up
my phone and see who
else is around yeah it's crazy that so many people are on those things and you're
just like constantly
inundated by options i've never been on a dating app it's one of my biggest
flexes in life never been
on a dating app i've been with andrew for you know almost two decades now so it's
like i missed that
whole thing i feel like i caught the last chopper out of man i have some
friends that met wonderful
people on dating apps like i have a good buddy of mine who met his girl on a
dating app and he
loves her and they have a great relationship it can happen it's just like just
people that you don't
want to go to a bar you know that's not the type of people you want to meet in
the first place how do
you find them and you know they have like certain dating apps that are like
more selective i guess
yeah you know about like what what are you into try to pair someone up who's
like-minded if you're alone and
you're busy with other stuff and you find it very hard to meet someone i would
match it's really
interesting but then also yeah if you're a young person and you're just trying
to bang it out out
there on the streets and you know you got 14 people hitting your inbox and you
pictures of your abs and
you're flexing or whatever it is you know like that is chaos and i don't think
people are supposed
to have those kind of options no you didn't you never did historically it's
only been like 15 years
it used to be your area where you live right those were the people to choose
from and you'd find the
best person for you right in that like i taught i interviewed my grandma on my
youtube channel when
she was 97 and i asked her like when you and aunt thelma were when thelma and
lois were looking for
you know husbands in the early 40s like what were the things you guys were
looking for what did you
think about when you were like looking for a guy she's like oh well we you know
he had to have a good
reputation he had to come from a nice family you know because you're gonna you
know when you marry
a guy you marry his family so you got to think about that i wanted him to go to
like the same type
of church as me and believe the same things and he had to you know have good
job prospects you know
good future prospects because you know you want to raise a family and and those
sort of things she did
not say six foot six pack or six figures none of that came up it was all like
pretty wholesome and
very like long-term minded do you know what i mean right but she's thinking of
the future i don't feel
like i don't even feel like i did that i feel like when i was young i was
stupid and i was like he's
cute and funny that's good enough for me you know well it's like it's there's
normal preferences that
people have like two big tall guys fit people yeah wealthy people that's the
normal things but it's
like the thing about today and all the options is not just that it's all the
performative stuff that
people do consistently and constantly online so then you're also looking for
positive feedback from
strangers constantly yeah and then you're also reflecting on negative feedback
from strangers
constantly yeah so kids today are just overwhelmed drowning in anxiety yeah
because they're addicted
to this feedback and this this thing where they're always pretending to be
someone they're not online
and they're using filters and cars that they leased and you know yeah it's very
strange yeah i have four
girls and i made a point to always show them like i'll show them before and
afters of the kardashians
i'll show them here's kylie jenner before all but like probably hundreds of
thousands of dollars worth of
work that she's had done in professional stylists and trainers and all the
facial augmentations and all the
different things that they get done here's what she looked like just any normal
girl from your junior
high the only reason she looks like this now and on top of all the work and
everything else
there's filters and there's apps that they edit everything with and i'm like
this isn't real right
because i remember growing up in the 90s i don't ever remember thinking a whole
lot about
what my butt looked like if my nose was too big like all the things that they
hype these girls like
pick themselves apart today yeah it's terrifying it's like heartbreaking i
think boys do the same
thing they're like i'm short it's over for me i might as well self-delete i'll
never be anything
because i'm short and i'm like well what percentage of guys are incels today it's
kind of nuts
it's pretty high it's really high like higher than like there was a percentage
of men that don't have
any sex at all right now and it's nuts but it's that thing it's like 20 of the
men are desirable
to 100 of the women right those 80 of guys are yes yeah i don't i don't know
what we do about that
i don't have a great answer for that um i've tried kind of like talking like i'll
go on the whatever
podcast once in a while and kind of like ask girls probing questions about that
like do you think
it's possible that you could be missing it like if you're 22 and you won't date
a guy because he
only makes 50 grand a year it's like yeah well my husband only made 40 grand a
year when we met but
he makes way more than that now like you used to grow together and and having a
family really
motivates a man to like hustle and grow whatever it is that he's doing and try
to be better but it's
like if you're 22 and you're like i won't even look at you unless you make six
figures you're missing
out on a ton of great guys and it's like what what exactly do you want what are
you looking for and
they don't even know like well they're kind of programmed towards hypergamy
today right it seems
like they're programmed to go after the super successful hyper successful
people and not think oh i'm
developing a relationship with a man and we're going to grow together yeah and
they have it this is true
we know there's problems with men but we talk all the time about problems with
men and i think
what we tell women is you're perfect how you are you are a goddess girl and you
don't have to change
for anybody that's what that's what we tell them but then how many of those
women are now on ozempic
i don't listen crazy all of the body positivity women are all like 120 pounds
now they look like
they're making weight at the ufc yeah all the fat is beautiful influencers are
now just like
skeleton yes it's so strange kind of gave the game like kelly osborne on tv god
bless her soul i don't
know if she's doing that but i know a lot of them they just get megan trainer
megan trainer got popular
on a song about being a little bit chunky and having a big butt and that boys
actually like that better
and the minute she can get a glp one she's like never mind yeah i'll be skinny
now a lot of people
did it a lot of people did it lizzo did it yeah yeah it's uh but it's this
thing i always say to
men you know when they tell me like oh i i don't want to work out i don't want
to do any of those
things why do you do why do you waste all your time doing that i go if i could
give you a pill
that could make you really strong like instantaneously really strong and able
to like
strangle men like you could kill people with your bare hands you wouldn't take
it do you want to be
vulnerable do you like it well there's no pill but if you just work you can
become that you can
become a different type of man yeah like that's possible yeah but you don't
want to do it so you
want to dismiss it as being silly well why would it be silly to have power it's
to have strength to
have a physical body that can like move things around easier that can hold
people down if you
have to if there's something terribly wrong you can defend yourself why would
you not want to have
that well everybody wants that it's just it's an incredibly long path to get
there so they're
fucking scared of it so they dismiss it yeah it's the same thing as raising
kids right it's like
so i lifted weights for uh it's been like 18 years and there were periods where
i was really lean
and i looked fantastic and then there were periods where like i and i lifted
all through my pregnancies
and everything thank god and i highly recommend it because if you don't want to
have like a lot of
the complications you can have post-pregnancy like pelvic floor issues birthing
issues get really strong
and squat heavy be able to do some heavy deadlifts and stuff all that stays
really strong and it really
helps with your health i had a doctor that told me i wasn't going to walk again
after my fourth baby
because my pelvic bone separated when i birthed her you're not going to be able
to walk yeah she was
like you should just get a walker oh my god you're not going to be able to that
lady was so i know i
was like that's so crazy there's no rehab there's nothing you could do by that
time i knew that most
doctors give you advice based on liability they don't want to get sued she
doesn't want to tell me to go
squat because what if i hurt myself and then it's her fault it's so funny so i
just went right back to i'm
just gonna start with like literally lifting my legs in bed and then i progress
and now i've got
nothing wrong with me i'm super strong as i'm fine but it's the best thing to
do and through all those
years of lifting even when i was a little too chunky like after my son passed
away i gained a lot of weight
i could not care about myself for a couple of years i just couldn't bring
myself to do it but i still
went to the gym because it kept me sane it did more for me mentally than
therapy or anything else
other than prayer i would say prayer would be the number one thing gym a close
second it was a really
great way to battle out all of the really strong crazy emotions that i had just
one more rep you know
until you're so tired that it's like a lot of the bad feelings and stuff you
have you have some clarity
and you can kind of figure it out you know what i mean yeah that's one thing
that i think
would be a good way to develop more men is to encourage them into doing
difficult things yes
and difficult hard work and specifically physical things because i think your
body has a certain
amount of requirements in order to maintain like a stable level of anxiety and
mental health i think
i think it's a giant fact i know it's a giant factor because when i take a few
days off there's
something wrong if i get hurt or something like that i start getting batty i'm
like oh this is like
most people most of the time like that's yeah a terrible way to live your life
yeah andrew knows
if i'm if i'm out of sorts like that he's like the gym you haven't been to the
gym and like we just
moved across the country and it was like it's there's so much that goes into
doing that especially when
he has a business and everything and there's kids and so it was like the
longest i've taken off
ever i want to say like even with kids and surgeries i didn't have to take off
that long
and we finally got the home gym put in he's like oh you're normal again great
you're you're mentally
balanced again it's great for women too if you're a woman that struggles with
depression and anxiety
try pushing yourself really hard in the gym and you'll find out what you're
made of it doesn't mean
you have to be stronger than dudes it doesn't you're not going to get huge
muscles because you
don't have enough testosterone to do that unless you're taking gear or
something but get in there
and work out and then you have the added benefit of it's going to help you
through childbirth and
pregnancy as you get older you're not going to be fragile and need your kids to
take care of you
all the time you know what i mean like my parents both have terrible health and
i want to avoid that
so i'm trying to be like really proactive about keeping myself healthy avoiding
heart disease
diabetes all these things so that my kids don't have to have a power of
attorney and take care of
me right you know right um is there anything else you want to cover in the book
because uh it's or it's
a really i didn't read it i listened to it the guy who's reading it was um a
very odd voice it's very
odd i really wish you read it i want my husband to narrate it i've asked
multiple other people to
narrate it and i can't get anybody to do it i would love to do a reproduction
he actually did that for
free because he thought it was he was like this book is so important i'm happy
to do it he just sounds
like he has a bit of a sinus infection yeah he's got an odd voice yeah which is
fine but it's just like
it's the the information is very fascinating but i just i always wish people
read their own book
and audio yeah i you know why i didn't because i think i sound like lois griffin
and sarah palin
had a baby and i don't know that anybody wants to listen to hours of my voice i'm
sure they do they're
listening to it right now you have a normal voice maybe i'll do it it's all in
your own head i have
well i have this upper midwest like old guy you know that's fine that's you're
from the upper
midwest doesn't matter but the point is it's like it's interesting because this
is your work it's
your perspective you know yeah um and it's it's really good there's a lot i'd
say if i gotta say
anything else about it um i did not write this book nor do i talk about these
things or debate feminists
because i hate women i do not hate women i love women i'm a woman i have
daughters i have women in
my life that i love and that's a crazy narrative yeah well and people think
they'll say like why
do women act so crazy nowadays why are they all so crazy and it's like what do
you think would happen
if you took any group of humans and you said you are perfect the way you are
you are a goddess you are
strong independent whatever you are you don't need to change there's nothing to
be improved upon and if
if you do something wrong it's only because a man somewhere hurt you or did
something bad and that's
the only reason that you would do like we've removed accountability we've given
women more power than
the balance i think there was a balance already before feminism because you had
women with the power
over reproduction and mate selection and sexuality and motherhood um and all
the influence they have
over men through those things and then you had men with the monopoly on
physical force and probably
like political force and things like that so there was kind of a balance and
what we did with feminism
was we just completely threw it off and now we're like no men you you stay down
you be quiet you're toxic
you're bad you like schools public schools are terrible for boys sit down be
quiet be like susie
uh just use the highlighter and organize things by color and be quiet and still
and soft and nice and
you know we hr manage boys to death now and so we've thrown the balance off and
what we've done is
give women all this power but taking away all the accountability and it's like
why would you not
expect them to act a little crazy why would it not kind of spoil them and i i
don't think women are
inherently bad i think what feminism has done has made them a worse version of
who they would be
otherwise i think we need accountability and responsibility we need to have
some self-sacrifice
in life we need to have the same inherent human struggle that men have and that
all all people have had
and we we did before so every time you look in history this is a key thing if
you are arguing
with feminists if you're looking at history and they say look at this horrible
thing women couldn't
have this or women didn't do that or there was stigma around this ask yourself
was that also true
for men because it always is it always is men didn't have this glorious carefree
existence free
of responsibility where they had all the power and control but none of the
accountability that's a lie
that's a myth but we've convinced women of that so now we're trying to flip it
the other way and yeah
women are acting crazy we have bonnie blue and we have like all these crazy
only fans girls and like
the only women online besides me and a handful of others are boss babes and
only fans chicks and
instagram models and blue-haired screeching feminists that's what we've ended
up with so it's like
i wrote it because i think feminism is bad for women and i think it would help
i think it's bad for
everyone and kids i am no longer willing to sacrifice the welfare of children
on the altar of feminism
ever again i won't do it and if you want me to throw kids under the bus so that
women can do blah i
don't care what it is i'm not going to do it i want to see kids growing up in
loving families with both
their parents i want to see community again i want to see families again all
the great stuff that we all
lost from that the loneliness epidemic all the depression and the anxiety women
have higher rates
of substance abuse than ever in recorded history right now 26 don't men also
have higher rates no it's
actually stayed pretty static with men in fact like gen z boys hardly ever
drink like the marijuana but
what about opioid addiction the opioid epidemic uh is pretty pretty much both
because i think it's
kind of medically based a lot of people get something you know surgery or
whatever and then they get hooked
yeah and they get hooked on it and then they got to go looking for it elsewhere
um but women we've never
seen as high a rate of fetal alcohol syndrome in babies as we're seeing now and
alcoholism is much
worse for women our bodies are smaller our livers don't handle toxic amounts of
alcohol even as
well as a man's bad for men it's even worse for women uh 26 percent of american
women are on at
least one psychiatric prescription drug yeah that's nuts that's nuts and they
did something there in my
book i covered uh the a big study called um the paradox of female happiness and
this came out in 2008 i
think it made huge waves where they did this giant survey of women uh they had
done one in the 70s and
they were repeating it you know 40 something years later to see like okay we've
had a lot of feminism
are women doing better and on every metric they measured women reported being
less fulfilled less
happy and less content than they did in the 70s before they were like fully
liberated um and they give a lot of
reasons as to why you know the the burden of having to juggle work and home and
the expectations of
versus reality of what feminism sold them and things like that and then they
did a repeat study several
years later that was even more comprehensive where they went to other countries
and other societies and
different types of places and did another survey about women's happiness
because now feminism is pretty global
there's only a few places in the world where it hasn't really taken hold yet so
they they were
like we should check other places and the authors of the study opened with
something that i thought was
kind of funny they said regardless of where you look culture economic status
religion it doesn't seem to
matter women everywhere and always are less happy than men and they they said
the reasons for that are
somewhat biological we have like hormonal fluctuations that men don't deal with
you know things like
periods and menopause and all that sort of stuff and we're just less
emotionally stable women experience
three times the mental illness than men do
and and it could be for many reasons we could like try to tear all that apart
but
feminism hasn't made women happier it hasn't been made them safer i don't think
it's really given them
more choices it's just given them kind of different choices um and children are
suffering the most
and when you tear apart the family unit which is what the marxist feminists
said was their explicit
purpose because property rights are passed down through men men uh you know
build businesses and own
properties the most and pass it down to their kids so they're like we got to
get rid of this fatherhood
stuff the patriarchy we got to get rid of the family unit especially like the
leninist ones were like
lenin should be the daddy the government should be the daddy um because yeah
and you see that with a
lot of socialist leaning cities where they want the state to be in charge of
things like decisions
whether a child can medically transition yes that kind of shit yes all that
stuff it it's all there for
reasons which are all detailed in the book but it's basically a scam and i feel
like women have been
grossly misled and horribly propagandized to believe a whole bunch of that's
not even true
and if they read my book and if they look into it themselves they double check
all my sources they go
back and read everything themselves and they still believe it's better for them
that's fine but i at
least want them to know the truth and be able to make an informed decision
about
why they're living their life the way they are and if they believe this sort of
stuff and if they really
accept this feminist framework or not well it's a really really well written
book and it's very
fascinating and i really enjoyed this conversation well thanks i'm so glad that
you loved the book i was
really shocked that you liked it so much that no i really did it was it was
very it was eye-opening
like that how many of these people were full-on kooks like they just abandoned
their kids and these are the
people that everybody's looking to like oh she was a boss lady like she was a
monster she's a horrible
person that didn't think anyone should have children like there's so much of
that in the book it's
really really great it's crazy so here it is um occult feminism the secret
history of women's liberation
rachel wilson go get it thank you thanks so much it was fun bye everybody