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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
The Joe Rogan experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
Really?
Red meat?
It's unfortunate.
In any form?
You know, like, I know it's weird.
If I eat a burger, it's different if I eat a steak.
Steak is a problem?
Yeah, I don't know if my digestive system,
just like you two older fucking bust this down.
I'm 58.
I'm 58 too.
I eat mostly meat.
I don't think it's age.
What is it then?
Well, what are you eating it with?
Tito's.
We're rolling?
Tito's.
Tito's vodka?
It can't be that, right?
No.
I'm eating a steak and I wash it down.
You just eat steak with Tito's?
And I wash it down with Tito's and tonic
because it resembles H2O so much.
Sometime I get thrown off until I do it.
What?
Yeah, I think I'm better aged.
Tito's and tonic resembles water?
The look of it.
The look of it.
It's clear.
That's all that matters to you?
Yeah.
I know at some point I need to change my life.
I'm at the age now that it's like I look at certain food
and I'm like, oh my God, it looks good,
but you know you can't handle that.
I think this is when I really, really need to be in love
because I need to be with somebody that understands
when I go places and when I want to pig out,
they got to be like, he can't eat that.
He's going to be in the seat.
Oh, right.
He's going to sit up.
He's going to be thrown up.
You need a female handler.
A female handler.
They call it geriatric, like this is where I hear.
This is what the streets are saying.
Most men get to an age, it's the geriatric shit
where you just smash all the women you want to do
and everything.
Now you're going to have to worry about somebody
helping you with your pill diet,
helping you with your dietary needs and everything.
And they say that's a lot of times when men fall in love,
when they need somebody to take them to the golden ears.
Oh, when you're about to be out of here,
you need somebody to say, don't do that.
You got to mash this food up.
You got to chop it up.
But I'm having digestive issues sometimes.
With steak, huh?
It's red meat, I want to say.
And I'm a fan of it.
So if you eat like a bowl of pasta with the Tito's,
no problem?
That's not a problem.
Interesting.
But it's definitely red meat.
Red meat, I'm not sleeping.
You should go to one of those doctors
that checks people for allergies.
Voodoo doctor?
Yeah.
I don't want one of them to sound like that.
I had to date an Asian.
I mean, I had to date a Haitian chick.
They enter voodoo really, really better.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
They stab you with pillows and shit.
You have pain in your neck.
Is there any particular reason, Joe,
and I haven't been here in a while.
Is there any particular reason
why I am doing your show
during Black History Month?
No.
You asked to come on.
You reached out to me.
I reached out to you.
You could have reached out to me in July.
I would have said yes.
I could have.
You got an open invitation.
You know that.
I have an open invitation.
But this is when,
I don't know,
I say, can I come through?
You said,
this is what you told me.
You said,
I have a guest.
And then you called back.
I don't know if Jamie said,
you know what month this is.
Right?
I don't know if he entered you.
And you called me right back.
I moved somebody.
I moved somebody for you
because I knew you were coming here
on a Monday.
I had someone booked.
Was it a Caucasian person?
I don't know.
I don't remember.
Jamie?
I don't remember.
You know it was a white man
or a black man.
No, you know what?
Did I get,
did I bump a white person for black?
It might have been
Michael Jai White
because he's here tomorrow.
Yeah.
So it was probably Michael.
I just probably moved him a day.
But I appreciate you
being accommodating
because I felt like
it was time for me to come back.
I haven't been here a while.
You can come on anytime.
I really appreciate that.
Whenever you're in town.
I hold that to be true.
Come on.
I know that's true too.
You know I love you.
Yeah.
I want some of that gum too, man.
I'm sorry.
The neuro gum?
Do we have any, Jamie?
I have some, yeah.
Yeah, that stuff's the shoot.
I know.
Whenever you say something,
it's the shit, it's the shit.
Yeah.
But what can I do about my,
I can't do anything about my diet.
Sorry.
Whoops.
I hit the mic.
Yeah, you can.
You just, you know,
you should go to a doctor
and find out if there's like,
there might be something
particularly about you
that red meat
doesn't agree with you.
But it might just be
what you're eating
with the red meat
more than the red meat itself.
You know?
That's what I would imagine.
I would imagine
it's not actually red meat.
I would imagine
it's what you're eating with it.
Might be.
And I'm going to check into it.
Because as they say in the streets,
I'm of that big age
when you have to be considerate
of a whole bunch of things.
So that's what I have to do.
I have to do that.
Do you exercise at all?
A little bit.
Usually doing sexual intercourse
is when I get most of my cardio.
Get your push-ups in?
Yeah.
And it's not as strong.
Damn, man.
You have to get,
I don't know if this
apply to everybody.
You get to an age
where you start looking
at your history
and you're like,
damn, 2000,
what was my best years?
Like right now,
I'll just give up.
You give up.
I don't put no pressure in it.
I give up.
I start asking like,
what's your shoe size is
or whatever.
I'd rather go shopping
than to really try to
pound somebody out
for three hours.
I'm at that age now
where I have,
I call it,
certain times,
like,
you gonna get to work?
I probably shouldn't
give you that gum.
That gum's gonna be
a real problem
on the microphone.
Is it?
Oh, okay.
People are gonna get annoyed
with you.
All right.
I don't know what to do.
Just chew it a little
and spit it out.
Okay.
You'll get the effects
of it pretty quickly anyway.
I'm at the age
where my best work
is like holidays.
Holidays.
I'm an animal.
Why don't you hire a trainer?
You got some money.
And what are the trainers
gonna do?
Get you in shape.
I think I need a therapist
before I get a trainer.
I mean,
you gotta take one step
at a time.
I gotta get my mind right
before I get my body right.
Wouldn't you agree?
No.
Getting your body right
will help get your mind right.
I think that's some truth to that.
I think that you may be
right about that.
Oh, 100%.
Getting your body right
fixes your mind.
Without a doubt.
But I will say,
I'm at my best.
I'm at my peak
when it's a holiday
to celebrate.
Because you're rested.
I'm rested.
It's more incentive.
Like,
if you want me
to really smash
good time,
consider it like
Valentine's Day,
Christmas,
Kwanzaa.
You can get seven good days.
But to expect me
to be at my best
on just a regular Tuesday
or a Wednesday
is not gonna happen.
I need more incentive.
Well, it's also drinking.
You like to drink.
Why would you say that?
I know why you would say that.
Come on, I've seen you.
All right.
I've been with you.
I've drank with you.
Okay, then that's a good point.
All right.
There's cigarettes.
You was there.
You brought a pack with you.
Right?
There's that.
Those are not good.
But you used to smoke.
I saw one of your podcasts.
I forget how you explained
what made you
not want to smoke anymore.
What was that?
Well,
cigarettes are
a cognitive enhancer.
They are.
It's a fact.
Nicotine is a cognitive enhancer.
There's no doubt about it.
It's a fact.
And it does things
to your mind.
It stimulates your mind
in a way
that very few other things do.
That's why
a lot of intellectuals,
a lot of professors
use nicotine.
A lot of academics
use nicotine.
A lot of people
that rely on their brain
use it.
A lot of writers
use nicotine.
And there's different
delivery methods
that have different effects.
Unfortunately,
smoking has a very potent
instantaneous effect.
And that's why people like it.
But it comes with a cost.
Right.
The physical health,
you know,
repercussions of cigarettes
are well known.
Yeah.
Not good.
And also,
you're smoking Marlboro's.
We had a doctor
on the other day
that thinks that
regular cigarettes
are not nearly,
like American spirits
are not nearly as bad
for you as these.
I understand that
they have some type of,
the American spirits,
I'm not even,
like, advocating
for what you shouldn't smoke.
But they say
that's supposed to be
the most natural
if there's such a thing.
It's just tobacco,
I believe.
Is that a fact?
Nope.
No?
What's in there
besides tobacco?
I don't know.
I've been trying.
I don't know
how this lawsuit ended up,
but they got sued
for the advertising
of saying
it's additive free
and all that.
Oh, did they?
Yeah.
What are the additives?
I've not decided.
Well, let's look into it.
I've tried to look.
I mean, there's a big,
here's, like,
the website
about the lawsuit.
What's the accusation?
That, uh,
here you go.
It's on the screen.
Here we go.
Lawsuit questions
natural claims.
Natural American spirit
cigarettes are made
by Santa Fe
natural tobacco company
and parent company
Reynolds America.
R.J. Reynolds,
they fuck with you.
American spirits
has been sold
in the U.S.
since 1985,
under the original name,
Original American Spirit.
Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh.
Organic.
Oh, you got us.
You fucks.
Um,
unadulterated tobacco.
Sue claims
such marketing language
has endeared
American spirit cigarettes
to a core group
of smokers
who believe
that the natural tobacco
in the cigarette
makes them
a healthier alternative.
Despite cigarette sales
declining 17%
between 2009-2014,
American spirit sales
have increased
86%
over the same period.
Huzzah.
A regulatory filing
on the Reynolds
American website
states,
American spirit
is the leading
super premium cigarette brand
that is a top 10
best-selling cigarette brand
priced higher
than most other
competitive brands
and is differentiated
from key competitors
through its use
of all-natural
additive-free tobacco
including styles
made with organic tobacco.
But words like
all-natural
and additive-free
on American spirits
labeling
the suit says
belies the fact
that Santa Fe
Reynolds adds
ammonia
to their cigarettes
to maximize
the amount of nicotine
a smoker receives
with the result
that American spirits
contain significantly
more free-based nicotine
than other major
cigarette brands.
So you're actually
getting high off
of cigarettes?
100%.
I get high off them
because I don't
smoke them all the time.
So I only smoke
if I smoke
a couple cigarettes a week
it's a lot.
And Newport's
probably like
10 times worse
than menthol cigarettes
probably 10 times
worse for your body.
I was talking
to Cat about that.
Cat Williams?
Yeah, I was asking him
like why
do you like menthols?
And he's like
he was speaking
on behalf
of the black community.
He said
we like things
that are more potent.
I believe
that that's
possible part of it
but I also believe
that back in the day
and this supply
I don't know
if I talk about this
it was certain brands
that targeted
certain communities
just for the loyalty
of it.
And I think
Newport's was targeting
I don't know
if it was a situation
when Newport came out
they were spending
more ad money
with advertising
and everything
because I don't know
if I shared this story
with you
but Pepsi
was a company
that did that
where they targeted
the black community
so I think
even though
I understand
we said more potent
but I think
it was something
that was in our community
whether that was
like cheaper prices
or whatever
and I think
it's generation
and generation
like you need
to do this
because black people
did this
because it was cheaper
I think
that that might
be the case
with Newport
probably both
what is the
the menthol effect
what is the
what is the difference
in the way
when I smoke menthol
I sound like
Cat Williams
and that's
they've ruined
that's one of the reasons
I had to downgrade
to like
some people think
that I started
smoking Marlboro Lights
because I started
dating white women
which is more
appealing
unless you date
a white woman
from the midwest
then she probably
smoking Newports
and drinking Pepsis
and Coca-Cola
just like you
but I got so many
bad habits
that I need to change
here we go
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the menthol affected
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and other mint plants
can also be made
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in the mouth
throat and airways
creating a cooling
sensation
when you inhale smoke
it's a mild
anesthetic
numbing effect
that reduces pain
and irritation
from hot harsh
cigarette smoke
making it feel
smoother
menthol can suppress
the cough reflex
and dull early
warning signs
of airway irritation
which make it easier
to inhale more deeply
and more often
menthol reduces
the perceived harshness
of nicotine
and smoke
the minty taste
and smell
and smell
plus the cooling
feel act
as a pleasant
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that many smokers
come to associate
with satisfaction
and craving
menthol can alter
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and the way nicotine
acts on brain
receptors
which may increase
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reinforcing addictive
effects
in short
the menthol effect
is not from nicotine
but from added menthol
which cools
and numbs the airways
masks irritation
and can make cigarettes
feel smoother
and more addictive
without making them
many safer
so menthol cigarettes
appeal to black people
because it's a cool cigarette
it's cool
that's what
it makes so much sense
why the brand
cool cigarette
because it makes
that makes sense
that's why they called
it cool I bet
damn what white people
do to destroy
my community
man
destroy everybody
yeah
they don't give a fuck
about anybody
cool ain't cool
half ain't wide
body ain't soul
mild ain't bold
cool ain't cool
newport is
oh
because that was like
a take on cools
because people used
to smoke cools
do cools exist anymore
in jail
only in jail
I think that
I don't know
what the ratio
what cigarette
gives you more money
in a dice game
but whenever I hear
people telling war stories
they like
man
I got a pack
I got a carton of cools
for a bag of Doritos
or something
but the value
of a cool cigarette
is higher
in prison
isn't it crazy
that they give you
cigarettes in prison
that's crazy
it's like the only drug
you can get in prison
yeah and those
you can't get alcohol
right
well you can get hooch
well you can't get alcohol
but they make their own
but it's all
under the table
yeah
but I think
in prison
the things that hold
the most value
I think it's
tang
right
it's that
artificial
flavored
drink you do
I think that
it's
astronaut shit
yep
cigarettes
Doritos
I heard honey buns
hold the value
and I heard candy bar
but candy bars
you gotta be particular
with that
because if you offer
this is what I hear
if you offer a person
a certain amount
of candy bars
then what I understand
is that you're inviting
them to have sexual
intercourse with you
interesting
yeah
candy bars
yeah
like you
I don't think
do you want some candy bars
and that's like code
yeah
it's like
like pizza gate
like pizza
mr. good bar
for this good bar
oh okay
I think
this is only
not that I've had
those experiences Joe
but this is the times
that I frequent
the streets
which aren't anymore
not too often
these are the stories
that they tell
interesting
yeah
and these facts
you don't need them
for anything
but for barbershop talk
but these are the
conversations that I have
that I've heard people have
it's interesting
how different brands
market to different people
and I mean
how do they figure it out
like what do they work
like
that's where it's evil
right
like advertising itself
I don't have a problem with
but I
there is something weird
about deceptive advertising
that's legal
you know
well they do
a history
on what
people like
I was watching
or reading a story
about
the people
that started
Forever 21
I forget what the brand was
it was some Koreans
from South Korea
not to be confused
with Kim Jong Un
and those people
but they were tailors
of something
they started a small boutique
and what they would do
was they would have
these clothing
pieces of clothes
and they would
really pay
particular attention
to what colors
people like
what was
selling the most
whatever
and that's what they buy
and one of the things
that made Forever 21
so popular
because they had
really
the clothes
weren't expensive
but they was
turning them over
so quick
you know
so people do
do case studies
and see what people
attracted to
I know
with
with black people
you put lemon pepper
on anything
it's going to go
out the roof
you can do
lemon pepper
chicken wings
lemon pepper
french fries
anything lemon pepper
they're going to go
I don't know
who started
the whole lemon pepper
craze
but you lemon pepper
anything
black people
are going to buy it
that's interesting
how white people
are associated
with very bland foods
you know
macaroni cheese
mashed potatoes
mayonnaise
and you know why
you're connected
with that blandness
because of the way
you pronounced it
macaroni and cheese
you'd never
ever
say
if you tell somebody
if you say
and you would be able
to be invited
to the cookout
Joe
you know
people like you
if you say
hey guys
I'm coming to the cookout
right
and I'm bringing
macaroni and cheese
you're going to get
uninvited to the cookout
how should I say
mac and cheese
mac and cheese
yeah you can't say
macaroni and cheese
nobody ever does that
they would look at you
as a spy
you would get invited
and be uninvited
well I'm a different
type of white person
because I'm Italian
and we're associated
with spicy food
very strong flavors
yeah but
it's a different
like Italian people
don't like bland food
they like very spicy
very flavorful food
you're not going to say
I'm bringing
baked ziti
to the barbecue
you'd be like
I'm bringing ziti
right
yeah I would say
baked ziti
yeah because there's
different kinds of ziti
you know
there's ziti that you bake
and then the ziti
that you just boil
and put you know
marinara sauce on
there's different kinds of ziti
but I will say this
as much as you know
community make fun of
white people
and their lack of seasoning
that can save your life
lack of seasoning
can save your life
yeah
how so
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one of the most
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how good is salt
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salt is an essential mineral
you need salt
to survive
salt is not the problem
they associate salt
with high blood pressure
salt with this
it's not true
it's bullshit
what type of salt
is it different salt
is it like
no
salt's not bad for you
well first of all
there's iodized salt
which is actually good for you
because it contains iodine
they add iodine to it
which is good for you
but salt is not a bad thing
I mean you shouldn't have
too much salt
look if you eat enough salt
Joe you can't be the president
to educate me with this
so all of these years
it's a
these people getting
their toes chopped off
that's not why
that's not why
if you're getting diabetes
it's usually from sugar
okay
you know there's been a lot
of misinformation
that's spread
because of
actual scientists
that were bribed
by the sugar industry
so the sugar industry
they paid a bunch
of Harvard scientists
it was Harvard right
I believe it was
they didn't even give them
a lot of money
was it the 1950s
or 1960s Jamie
do you remember
so this has all been
outed now
but what they did was
they tried to associate
saturated fat
and foods with saturated fat
with being responsible
for heart disease
and they did that
to try to get the blame
off of sugar
because sugar
is fucking terrible for you
it's terrible
in basically every way
especially added sugar
so why are all of these
diseases that we speak of
are more
more
happening
in the black community
than in the white community
it's diet
it's 100%
it's sugar
processed food
it's diet
it's sugar
it's sugary drinks
it's the amount of sugar
like if you
say if you drink
like a
one liter Pepsi
the amount of sugar
that is
okay let's find that out
how much sugar
is in a one liter Pepsi
if you drink several
these a day
one of them
I believe
is more sugar
than you're ever
supposed to have
in a day
Pepsi
is the one
and that's why
well it could be
Coca-Cola
could be Pepsi
Mountain Dew
pick your poison
I think it's 100%
Pepsi
well Pepsi
is I don't know
does Pepsi have more
sugar than Coca-Cola
I don't know
you know Coca-Cola
is one of the only
things that's still
flavored with
cocaine leaf
sugar content
115
123 grams
in a one liter
bottle
that's a crazy
amount of sugar
25 teaspoons
35 sugar cubes
god damn
that's 130%
138%
of the recommended
daily value
of sugar
that's
that's where
people are getting
type 2 diabetes
they're getting it
from excess sugar
specifically
excess sugar
like in a liquid
form
your body does
not know
what the fuck
to do with that
because nowhere
in nature
do you get
sugar in a liquid
form like that
like even
orange juice
like people think
orange juice
is good for you
it's not
like drinking
orange juice
yeah you're gonna
get some vitamin D
but you're also
gonna vitamin C
rather but you're
also gonna get
a gigantic dose
of sugar
that has no fiber
in it
but is it a different
type of sugar
in fruits and
vegetables than
what you get
off the counter
you get fructose
rather than
high fructose
corn syrup
you know
sugar from fruit
is the best sugar
for you
because it's
attached fiber
and that's
that's a slow
release sugar
like if you eat
an apple
and apples
aren't bad
for you
it's a natural
way that your
body consumes
sugar
but there's
apples were
bad for Adam
I don't even
know if it was
an apple
it was a fruit
it was a fruit
from the tree
of knowledge
the tree
it was an apple
it was an apple
but it wasn't
an apple tree
what specifically
does the bible
refer to
as the fruit
Adam and Eve
Adam
you know the truth
what
Eve never talked
to God
Adam talked
God
Adam told
God
not to
eat the fruit
there's nowhere
in the bible
does it say
that Adam
went and told
Eve
this is why
we should start
not just shutting
women down
to listening to
him
it all
starts
Genesis does not
specifically
specify rather
what kind of
fruit Adam ate
only that it
calls it fruit
from the tree
of knowledge
of good and evil
yeah so it's
not necessarily
an apple
we call it
an apple
the text
never names
the species
apple fig
etc
the Hebrew word
is peri
a general term
meaning fruit
without a botanical
detail
where the apple
idea came from
over time
Jewish and Christian
interpreters
proposed many
candidates
including fig
grape
pomegranate
citron
and others
now common
ideas that an
apple
developed later
in European
tradition
helped by
wordplay
in Latin
and Old
French
where the
words evil
and apple
or fruit
sounded
or were
spelled
similarly
so it's
not necessarily
an apple
I really don't
know what to
believe
but I feel
like I get
so much
more information
when I come
here
I don't know
if people
understand that
well the crazy
thing is that
I mean I
found this out
recently because
I've actually
been reading
the Bible
that there's
no reference
whatsoever
to Adam
telling Eve
you're not
supposed to eat
the fruit
from the plant
with the
knowledge of
good and evil
I never knew
that
yeah
I just knew
it was a white
woman with an
apple and his
shit got fucked
up after that
what happened
was God
created Adam
this is what
Genesis says
God created
Adam and then
told Adam
go and name
all the animals
and then
when he was
done with that
Adam made
Eve
but he never
said
it never
says in the
Bible
Adam told
Eve
do not
eat the
apple
who's
giving us
this misinformation
well
the problem
with the
Bible
is
first of all
that it was
an oral
tradition forever
so it was an
oral tradition
for a long time
before it was
ever written down
that it was
written down
in a bunch
of ancient
languages
it was written
down in
ancient Hebrew
it was written
down in
Aramaic
Aramaic
and then
when you
translate
ancient Hebrew
to
first
they translated
it to
Latin
and then
they translated
it to
Greek
and all
these
other
maybe
Greek
first
I forget
which one
was first
but either
way
the
translations
miss a lot
of the
language
it's a very
complicated
ancient Hebrew
is a very
complicated language
and numbers
double as letters
in ancient Hebrew
so ancient Hebrew
doesn't have
numbers
all their words
have a numerical
value to them
what do you think
makes people
so connected
to the Bible
is it because
of wanting
to believe
in something
in writing
definitely
wanting
to believe
in something
and then
specifically
if you look
at like
the teachings
of Jesus
Christ
if you follow
them
I think
it'll lead
to a better
life
I think
it makes
you a better
person
makes you
a better
member
of the
community
it reinforces
community
it's like
a really good
way to live
your life
so I think
the people
that live
that way
that actually
live that
way
they're better
examples
of human
beings
so that
makes it
reinforced
but it's
also people
there's a lot
of other
religions
that people
believe in
that don't
have those
aspects to
them
people want
to believe
things
people want
to believe
in things
even if
you like
like Scientology
people deeply
believe in
Scientology
and we know
it was written
by a science
fiction author
who was a bad
science fiction
author
L. Ron Hubbard
wrote some
terrible books
like that guy
would just bang
books out
he never rewrote
shit
everything was a
first draft
just clank
he wrote more
fiction than any
human being
that's ever lived
and they also
wrote Scientology
and people
believe in it
I do believe
I think people
like you say
people want
to if your
life is fucked
up
they want
to be able
to say
okay this
is my savior
if I believe
in this
it's going
to get me
on the right
track
100%
and then with
that
with these
like
Drewski
just did
a skit
that went
viral
right
and it
was like
he was
making fun
of the
megachurches
and everything
but these
churches
like they
give these
people
something to
believe in
make them feel
better
and they charge
people
do you think
that there should
be a separation
if I
inspire you
if my
writings
or my
speeches
inspire you
to want
to do
something
and change
your life
and be
more financially
secure
do you think
these people
entitled to
like okay
almost like
agencies
if I get
you to work
or get
you there
should you
hit me
off
or the
megachurches
is it so wrong
for people
just to pour
all their
money to them
or are they
giving these
people
something to
believe in
if that's
the case
do I
supposed to
get a piece
of that
I think
they're
preying
on people's
need to
believe in
things
and I
think
they're
very
predatory
and I
think
that's
why
they're
flying
private
jets
and driving
rolls-royces
and living
in mega
mansions
on giant
ranches
and they're
doing it
all off
of donations
of people
that are
barely getting
by
that's a
lot of
it
you know
I think
it's a
scam
that's
legal
I think
if we
were a
just
and righteous
society
it wouldn't
be legal
right
I mean
it's
you're
taking
advantage
of people
when
they need
something
to believe
in
and you're
asking
for
all their
money
like
I remember
I was
watching
this
guy
on TV
once
like
televangelists
are the
worst
and this
guy
was saying
that if
you are
broke
you should
borrow money
to donate
it to the
church
and it
will be
paid back
to you
tenfold
that God
will pay
you back
tenfold
and then
he had
all these
examples
of people
that did
it
and they
would call
in
and say
I was
a thousand
dollars
in debt
and this
and that
but I
borrowed
a hundred
dollars
and I
donated
it
to you
and now
all of a
sudden
I drive
a Rolls Royce
and it's
all horseshit
but those
are all
desperate
desperate people
desperate people
those are
the same
people that
I'm going to
spend $30
on the lottery
every day
for like
fucking 50 years
and don't know
how much
that's another scam
that's another scam
not only is that a scam
here's the scam
about the lottery
not only
does
like say
if everyone
pumps money
into the lottery
say you
you buy
a hundred dollars
worth of tickets
and Jamie buys
a hundred dollars
worth of tickets
and I buy a hundred
so there's
three hundred dollars
in the lottery
there's not even
three hundred dollars
available
if you win
so and then
if you win
you don't get
all the money
you get the money
over a long
period of time
but if you
if you take
the second option
it's a significantly
like here's a good
example of it
speaking of the
Epstein files
his company
Zorro Trust
I didn't like that
transition
you looked me
right in my eyes
and said
speaking of the
Epstein files
we were talking
about it
before the podcast
Epstein came to see you
no Epstein did not
fucking come to see me
they loved your show
yo
he was your
he was a number one fan
first of all
I never
he came to what
you don't know
look they came to
West Palm Improv
because you're a famous
comedian
and you were playing
in the town
where he lived
so what are you saying
nothing
but what I'm saying
is that
what I'm saying
is Epstein
won the lottery
his company
Zorro Trust
won an
$80 million
lottery
and then
they took the pay off
and the pay off
was only $30 million
from a ticket
or you mean
in corporation
what do you mean
when you say
his company
bought a ticket
for the lottery
oh really
yes
Zorro Trust
which is his company
they won the lottery
which is very suspicious
not only that
he won the lottery
right after he was arrested
and went to jail
for fucking kids
or having sex
or whatever
he was arrested for
sexual handjobs
whatever it was
there's nothing wrong
with sexual age
no but when they're
underage girls
probably not
oh I didn't know that
so then when he went
and got the lottery money
the company took the payoff
the payoff
out of an $80 million payment
the $80 million jackpot
was only $30 million
so if you want the money
you take $30
so not only did they take
$50 out of the $80
but then
you think about
how many people
spent money
buying lottery tickets
is way more than $80 million
so they make money
off of that
and then they make money
off of the fact
that you want the payoff
instead of the
you know
the over 30 years
so they never could
it doesn't matter
what the jackpot becomes
they never can lose
they can't lose
because they're stealing money
from people that are desperate
it's legalized gambling
where the house
always wins
right
like let's find that out
like let's say
let's find
an average jackpot
of mega bucks
and find out
how much money
actually goes
into it
how much
how much money
people spend
versus how much money
the payout is
so when this
all lottos
are state regulated
right
right
I don't know
I don't know who
regulates them
so they get
say
they get
$100 million
from people
trying to win
a billion dollars
it's because
it's state regulated
do they have to
pay taxes
to the government
for the money
the lotto
no
it's the state
or the government
owns it
so it's a
whatever the
not only that
you pay taxes on it
so say if you get that
yes
so say if you take
that $30 million
payout
you don't even get
$30 million
then you have to pay
taxes on that $30 million
so they get money
from that too
so they can't
fucking lose
but for a person
that's never seen
barely seen
$1,000 anywhere
anything with a million
they're going to be
excited about
and take it
before
exactly
and over time
most people
are not going to win
so most people
are dumping money
into it
there was a story
of a young lady
I don't know
exactly what it was
I think she won
some type of lottery
where they
gave her two options
she would get
I think it was like
a payout
of like $2 or $3 million
right up front
or they give her
I think it was like
$20,000
every month
for as long
as she lived
and she did
well people think
that it's kind of crazy
but if you consider
the fact
that she was probably
20, 21
her life expectancy
probably
she was white
so she probably
lived to 132
you know what I'm saying
she looked like
that was a smart
a lot of people
would not understand
that
that was a smart thing
I don't think
it's for the rest
of your life
I think it's until
it reaches that number
I don't think
they're going to
give you money
for the rest of your life
well maybe I was
reading the headline
maybe it's a different
kind of lottery
that I'm not aware of
maybe I think
it was something
as long as she lives
that sounds crazy
yeah
alright here it is
typical mega millions
jackpot run
total ticket revenue
is usually several times
the advertised jackpot
but there's no single
fixed average
because sales vary
enormously
with the jackpot size
still you can get
a good ballpark
so around 50%
of ticket revenue
goes into the overall
prize pool
so the government
makes 50% right off the bat
right
so if it's a hundred
million dollar payout
they already made
a hundred million
so that's 200 million
dollars is what they made
they throw in
a hundred million dollars
for everybody
of that prize pool
roughly two thirds
to three quarters
is allocated to the jackpot
with the rest funding
lower tier prizes
so that means
even if there's
200 million dollars
out of the hundred
million dollars
only two thirds
of it goes
into the big jackpot
and that means
the jackpot
is typically
in the order
of one third
of total ticket sales
that run
and then out of that
one third
so say if it's
a hundred million
or with the Epstein case
it was 80 million
he took the payout
which was 30 million
so they make 50
on top of that
and then on top of that
you pay taxes
on that 30
it's a crazy scam
what do they do
with the money
whatever the fuck
they want
I think they probably
in certain neighborhoods
I think they probably
pump a certain amount
of winning tickets
into a neighborhood
just to get you
addicted to keep
going in there
and spend your money
well it's supposed
to be random
you know
I don't know
how much
oversight
look if a guy
like Jeffrey Epstein
can win
I don't know
how much oversight
is it
I know
back in Boston
when I lived there
Whitey Bulger
won
see if this is true
I think he won
the lotto twice
which is crazy
Whitey Bulger
who was that
Whitey Bulger
was a South Boston
mob boss
in the 1980s
when I lived there
the 1980s
and 90s
a mob boss
yeah
he was a dangerous
dangerous guy
he was the guy
that that movie
that Leonardo DiCaprio
starred in
with Jack Nicholson
what was that movie
Jamie
remember that movie
that was based
on Whitey Bulger
The Departed
yeah
okay
that was based
on Whitey Bulger
he was a gangster
oh yeah
terrifying gangster
yeah
what was his demise
he was actually
a fucking
FBI informant
not only was he
a gangster
he was working
with the FBI
and they were
letting him get away
with shit
because he was
throwing other people
under the bus
I think there's
a different
I mean
they wound up
catching him
in Santa Monica
well
I've found
that
Hunting Whitey
about that
Whitey Bulger
won the mass
millions lottery
about that time
yeah
yeah
he won the
fucking lottery
man
so
this is what
it says
here
what does it say
I think
it was more
of a scheme
than they actually
won the
but it's
always taking money
it's probably
a way to like
launder money
yeah
oh 100%
it's a way
to launder money
so the way
it would work
was
like say
if you lived
in the community
and you
won the lottery ticket
maybe they would
give you money
for your lottery ticket
then he would get it
and that way
it would show
that this is where
he got his income from
like these guys
would all own
businesses
right
but the reason why
they would own businesses
is so they could show
why they drive a Cadillac
why they have a mansion
why they have this
because they have
legitimate businesses
but really
these businesses
were scams
my father convinced
my family
that he was a real estate agent
for years
to come and find out
he was a heroin kingpin
in D.C. for years
all we needed
was an excuse
he's selling real estate
all right
that's hilarious
so he ordered
the real winner
to sign the ticket over
with Whitey
and two associates
paying 2.3 million dollars
in cash
for 50%
of the winnings
Bulger himself
paid Michael Linsky
$700,000
although Linsky
lost money in the deal
he really had no choice
it came down to
selling the ticket
or risking his life
yeah
so that's how
it usually works
so he was a snitch
Whitey was a snitch
yeah
he was a snitch
and he got caught
in Santa Monica
snitch or whistleblower
there is a difference
no he was a snitch
whistleblowers
are people that snitch
on people in higher profile
positions like
corporate America
but what I'm finding
no he wasn't a whistleblower
he was an actual snitch
because he was turning
other people in
but he was a kingpin
is this true
and I don't want to
make everything about race
is that phrase
snitches
gets snitches
more prevalent
in the white community
or the black community
or it's across the board
I think it's across the board
isn't it
like the black community
is famous
for keeping their mouth shut
when someone gets shot
or when someone
does something
like when cops come
and question people
I don't know if that's the truth
anymore because
not anymore
but that was the thing
with the mafia too
the mob would never rat out
the guys would just go to jail
it's interesting now
because
now I see
like
especially in my community
so many people
like
rat
I got the paperwork
and everything
and now it feels like
like
that motto
of
being loyal
is dead
like people
now
they
they getting caught
with shit
in a minute
they get caught
they snitch on everybody
right
and there's no repercussions
when they come home
there's no repercussions
I don't see that as much
I see so many people
that are like
they saying
whatever the fuck
they want to do
whatever
and they still out here
just living their life's normal
like nothing fucking happened
well with the mob
it was always like
if you ratted on the mob
you were a dead man
you were a dead man
your family was probably dead
they'd burn your house down
and people kept their mouth shut
because of that
and so guys would go to jail
all the time
and never open their mouth
and they would be rewarded
when they would get out
and they'd have a party for them
celebrate
that's in Goodfellas
you kept your mouth shut
you never said nothing
that was the whole thing
but the whole thing
I used to live by
that changed though
like with John Gotti
like the government
did he snitch?
no Sammy the Bull
Sammy the Bull
and it wasn't just them
like everyone was snitching
on everybody
it's like they got these guys
and you know
we had Donnie Brasco
in the studio
from what
that Johnny Depp movie
it was called Donnie Brasco
okay
well I'm not confused
what's his real
Donnie Brasco's real name
Joe
I'm not confused
Bronx
that's not Bronx
Joe Pistone
Joe Pistone
that's not nothing to do
with Bronx Tale
right?
no different story
that's a different story
yeah
so Donnie Brasco
was the guy
who was
he was an agent
and he pretended
to be a mob guy
and he got in
with the mob
and was with him
for like seven years
did all kinds of shit
with the mob
and then
sold everybody out
and they all went under
yeah I don't know
I'm just so
the culture
everything is
there used to be a phrase
snitches get stitches
now I don't know
if this just
everywhere
but everywhere I go
it's like
the most interesting thing
now that's selling
on any platform
especially social media
is beef
and I don't understand
why people gravitate
toward negativity
more than anything
that's normal
why
but you know what
it's interesting
your platform
is not known for that
no
your platform
but I go to these
other platforms
and I don't know
I think these guys
the people
they just sit back
and it's like
okay
what can I say
to make people upset
get them riled up
and then I take advantage
of the engagement
that they do
they're in a different game
than me
alright
their game is
trying to get engagement
my game is talking
to people that are
interesting
doesn't that become
I don't want to be
triggering things
but doesn't that become
destructive
after a while
100%
and do you
have you noticed
especially
I'll put it like this
especially
with comedians
with podcasts
it used to be a time
where like you say
a person would go on a podcast
because it was interesting
they told funny stories
or they was good
at their craft
or whatever
but now it feels like
all these platforms
and I don't know
that's just
in my community
when I say that
black people
it's like
the only way
I can find myself
interesting
if I talk shit
about people
and motherfuckers
are going away
from being funny
when you get interviewed
like every
fucking podcast
I turn on now
it's somebody
I'm exposed
this person
I'm gonna tell this
about what you didn't know
and the one thing
they're not doing
especially as a
stand-up comedian
motherfuckers
don't give a fuck
about being funny
no more
are those days over
no
no no no
those people
that do that
are almost always
not very talented
almost always
the only exception
to that
the only exception
to that is Kat
and I think
what Kat was doing
was different
because what Kat was doing
was exposing
what he thought
was snakes and liars
okay
it's a different thing
okay
okay
I
okay
this is my question
okay
okay
this is my question
okay
this is my question
people can take it
okay
okay
I want to say this
this is what I'm saying
Joe
what are you saying
I'm coming from this place
I'm like this
no disrespect
or whatever to Kat
but like
who asked you
uh
Shannon Sharp did
when he did that podcast
Shannon Sharp might have asked
one question
but Shannon Sharp likes that
like
in his podcast
he likes a lot of that
his people
they find questions
he's got a sheet of paper
he's got questions
of people
they have beef
Joe
what do you do
with those truths
what do you do
with talking about
I watched
this is a horrible impression
I sat there in the parking lot
and I watched
people go up
into Diddy's house
and they came down
and they were standing up
I'm trying to figure out
what the fuck
do you get out of that
what
what
what is the result of that
you expose these people
to say what
Hollywood
is never
going to
fucking change
you know what changes
like what you do
I left fucking Hollywood
Hollywood's not going to change
and I'm not saying
I went to a Diddy party
first off
I was never invited
there's a chance
I would accept the invitation
with rules
you know
right
but
what is the purpose
of exposing something
that you
I don't think
most people
are exposing
what most people
are doing
when they're being negative
is they are jealous
and they are below
the person
they're talking shit about
like whenever I see
someone that's talking
shit about
a high level
you say that
and you use
Cat Williams
as an example
so when you said
they're jealous
first of all
when Cat did it
it was very funny
which is different
it was very funny
Cat's a very funny guy
and when he was doing it
I think he was also
being very funny
while he was doing it
which is different
well you have to put
an LOL on the end of it
because people might not
understand his humor
because this is what
this is a connection
people have
this is what
the connection they have
with Cat
this is what they say
and they ride with him
and they say
where is the lie
where is the lie
and all this stuff
but I'm just
trying to understand
what is the purpose
of exposing
all this stuff
what do we do
with this information
what do we do
with the information
that Diddy like
to have fucking
freak parties
with baby owners
what the fuck
do we do
with all this information
well Diddy's in jail
right now
so they did that
with the information
well Diddy's in jail
for doing something
that a lot of people
I
let me tell you
something Joe
tell me something
I was riding
with Diddy
for once
I liked the music
he did or anything
I don't know
Diddy like that
but when I first
read
the definition
of sex trafficking
right
I'm sure
you're a first person
you're smart
the definition
of sex trafficking
to transport a woman
across state lines
with the intent
to have sexual intercourse
with her
right
when I heard
when you're paying them
it's trafficking
is
no
that's not
actually
my
really
this is my
Jamie you can pull this up
wait a minute
so if you are dating a girl
and she lives in Minnesota
and you live in California
and you fly her to California
that's sex trafficking
and I'm thinking about
I don't think that's true
I don't think that's true at all
I think that's just
flying a girl in
that you're having a relationship with
in the streets they call it
fluid out
fluid out
yeah but that's normal
everybody does that
but that's the definition
it's commercial sex
yeah commercial
commercial sex act
induced by force fraud
or coercion
huh
well coercion's crazy
because coercion is like
please I'll buy you a bag
that's sex trafficking
that's a date
so like if a girl
right
if you're if you
if there's a girl
she's like
what are you going to do for me
like you know those shoes you want
I got those shoes for you
let's go shopping
like that's kind of sex trafficking
if that's coercion for money
like if a girl's thinking about
coming out to visit you
and then you go
listen listen listen
what are you looking for
what do you want to buy
I got money
come on let's go shopping
that kind of would fall into that category
but look we're getting off topic
let's go back to the topic
originally in hand
the reason why these comedians are negative
I need to
no no no
you're not going to get in trouble
for sex trafficking
listen
that's all horse shit
but the reason why
these comedians are doing it
is because they're never bigger
than the comedians they're shitting on
never
one thousand percent
one thousand percent
and you know what it is Joe
and they're never good
that you know what it is too Joe
is that
deep down inside
they want to be that person
one hundred percent
and I tell you what
or they want to be in the position
that person's in
is a better way of putting it
I'll use this
I'll tell you this story
I realize that
not to say names
but you
it's so many people
that could be guilt
guilty of it
and this is the thing
that I hear
that understands me
that disturbs me
is that
you know
a lot of these people
that bitch the most
they at some point
in their career
they were favored
by Hollywood
yes
at some point in their career
they had these opportunities
at some point in their career
guess what
they had the agencies
they had the agents
and something happened
in their career
where they fell out of favor
for whatever you want to call it
whatever you want to call it
for whatever
maybe something they did
agency didn't like
liked it too much
and now
everything
that they wrote on
everything they wanted to do
now it's
oh
that's fucked up
and the only way you get this opportunity
because it had to be
sexual favors
and all that type of shit
and where the fuck
you draw the line
but it's not even sexual favors
it's like they criticize
the work of the other person
that person ate shit
that person sucks
can I
can I
yo
there's
here's the thing
there was
come on
you get this all the time
because you ride with Dave
and Dave's number one
right
so you always get
you always get this label
even though you're a great comic
you get this label
being a coattail rider
right
and guess what
everybody don't
this is what I try to explain to people Joe
everybody
does not have to be
Batman
I don't have a problem
with being Robin
you know why
because Robin got the same amount of screen time as Batman
and the reason why I say
this is what I get
and I'm telling you this Joe
I don't know if this gum is kicking in
this is what
this is what fucks me up Joe
this is what fucks me up
and I'll tell you example
I'm gonna give you example
don't give me examples
no I'm gonna tell you
are you pulling out your phone
I'm gonna tell you why
because your fucking shirt
is fucking triggering me right now
Kill Tony
you mean the greatest
greatest comedy show of all time
in the history of the known universe
I know that
but there's a lot of lies involved
okay
listen
this is
this is what they say
this is what they say
don't pay attention to what they say
no listen
why are you doing that
yo you told me
what are you playing
these things that the Kill Tony audience say about me
um
Chappelle's butt plug is
oh god
yo
I gotta deal with this shit
what is so hard
no
well you gotta stop paying attention to it
it's so hard
you know what it would happen to me
if I paid attention to all the haters that I have
yeah
I would go crazy
you would
do you think that you paid attention to those haters
now you're in a position right now
you have so many reasons to say fuck them
do you feel like you had that same belief
when you was first starting this
did you
did you engage them then
well
I engaged online with a lot of people in the early days
because I didn't understand
what you're doing is you're engaging with people that don't have happy lives
right
and they're negative
and there's some criticisms that are good for you
because some criticisms make you evaluate what you're doing and say
okay well what I need to do is be undeniable
so these critics mean nothing to me
because you can't
I'm killing
the audience loves me
I'm selling out everywhere
I'm doing great on stage
you can't pay attention
you know what
you know what
I will say this
I hear you Joe
I tried that with them motherfuckers on your shirt
you had a bad show
you had one bad show
I never had
you had a bad show
you had a bad show
please don't do this to me
you did
you had that one bad show
I did not fucking have a bad show
did you walk off the show
listen man
sit the fuck down
sit the fuck down
I did not fucking walk off the show
you want me to play it back
I
please don't do this
you were a little drunk
no please don't do this
who was the comic
who was the comic
I don't know
his name
we don't need to bring his up
he's funny
whoever that dude is
he's funny
now you're doing this
you know what you're doing
you're being a provocatory
you're provoking me
because we broke this shit down
and I don't want to keep
I didn't think of this
when I was wearing this shirt
I'll change the shirt
no it's okay
put something over
I'll wear a Benny the Jet shirt
let's break it down Joe
no we don't have to
we have to
you started this shit
alright
thank you
I'm going to change my shirt right now
it's like
I didn't have a bad show
you definitely
didn't have a great show right
when you walk off
it's not good
Jesus
I feel like Carrie
they're all going to laugh at me
they're going to laugh at me
it wasn't
this for the last fucking time Joe
for the last fucking time
and this is what's so fucking evil
about this situation
that some people call it a bad show
I never wanted to do this show
but you came back on
you had a good show right
I want to go back
let's rewind
alright
and this is
you were a part of it
hey look
I changed my shirt
no more triggering
shout out to Benny the jet
I need another piece of gum
I'm going to say this
say what it's worth
first off
I did not want
the first time
I did it here in Austin
right
I didn't want to do the show
okay
and the reason why
I didn't want to do the show
now you're not even paying attention
you want a cigar
yeah I'll take a cigar
yeah I'll take a cigar
I didn't want to do the show
and I'll tell you why
because I'm
the streets say I'm sensitive
you are a little sensitive
can I have not have your opinion
and just listen to me please
they know I'm sensitive
it was during the pandemic
Joe you remember
people would still come
to do your podcast
because they know the benefits of it
and you had your thing doing
they would come to your podcast
and then they would fucking leave
because they didn't want to catch COVID
and then they would leave Tony stranded
and he had no good guests
I was here
right
this one when
I'm talking about the time
when Tony had
a black band
he still has a black band
all black
there's a couple black people
on there now
I think it's mostly black
right
okay
I want to tell a story
this is the last time
I'm going to talk about it
Deep Madness
I mean
name them all up
this is the last time Joe
I want to tell the truth
drummer and the guitar player
what's that
mic
yeah I mean
it's like
the horns
a lot of them are black
definitely
doesn't matter
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look at the old
when it was all
not high production
and all that type shit
Tony was like
it's hard for me
to get a guess
would you stay
and this is when
you fucked me up
the last time
you wasn't playing fair
yes you did
I wasn't playing fair
no I'm telling you
when you weren't playing fair
when was I not playing fair
can I talk
please
all I want to do
I don't know
if I got a raise in my hand
I just want to be able to speak
it is my month
it's my fucking month
so
Tony said
would you stay
come on
I was like you know
and I stayed
right
and I stayed
and I stayed
I was on the show
for two and a half hours
I told him
this is where it gets all crazy
I told him I had
something I was supposed
to do later
there was another
Black comic
that was on the show
he started roasting me
I had no problem with that
I had no problem
with him roasting me
but I felt fucked up
because it was only
me and him
and I was trying
to get this guy
some sound advice
but the only way
he thought he was going
to get off
by fucking me
so I was like
yo why you
fuck with me
we on the same
we on the fucking
same team
what they did was
look at the fucking
video
okay
you see
I want you to
slow it down
slow it down
slow the video down
it's like a Zapruder film
back to the left
you're going to let me
forget my thought
Joe
sorry
it's so easy for me
to get distracted
just hang on
with me
so if you look
at this video
you see
him saying
something to me
and then when I leave
it's two different
fucking comics
on the fucking
stage
it's a dude
that I was roasting
and then they
showed me the exit
and then these
kill Tony
bitch ass
motherfuckers
and I'm telling you
I'll get past it
they may
oh Donnell walked up
I didn't walk up
I had some other
shit to do
and in the last episode
you and your boy
Tony
he caught here
and Tony doubled
down on it
and he said
no that's not
what happened
of course
them comment
motherfuckers
the ones that be
putting cringe on it
they roll with it
okay
then I came back
came back
you had an amazing show
Tony said it was one of the best
shows he's ever done
why it was amazing
because you were ready
I'm amazing
you are amazing
but also you wanted
to get it back
right
I didn't have
you know what
this is what Redman
said to me
Redman
Redman
whatever the fuck
his name
he changed too
I'm going to tell you
why he's in the Wu-Tang class
let me tell you
I'm going to tell you
the difference between him
and I'm going to tell you
the similarities between him
and Jamie
a little later on
right
okay
how they're divas now
and I know
Jamie
my Jamie's a diva
yes
he has a false memory
of something already
I'll let him go
Jamie is the last thing
from a fucking diva
I will defend Jamie
to the bitter end
well maybe you don't know him
I don't know Jamie
yo let me tell you
this is Jamie
I know Jamie better
than his mom
I know
but this is a Jamie
I saw
at Kill Tony
after party
sit down
you're not on camera
this is also Saturday night
okay
he had a leather jacket on
I don't have a leather jacket
Jamie had a leather jacket
he didn't call it a leather jacket
whatever it was
you own a leather jacket
no he doesn't even know
wait wait
wait
the collar was flipped up
you have a false memory
Joe
the collar was flipped up
like dice
and then he had the shirt
you might have had
Timmy no breaks
I think it's confusing
Timmy no breaks
and Jamie
Joe he had the shirt
open to this button
right here
oh right
gold chains
and he was sitting
I don't know
what type of moose
Jamie had gold chains
boost on his hair
ponytail was popping
he had some type of moose
or something
right
and then he was just looking
and I was like
what's up Jamie
he was like
he had his hands
it was given
as they say
it was given
Fonzie attitude
I knew
I knew that had changed
but this is what Redman
Redman
whatever man he is
Redman
Redman
he said
after the show
he said
that must have been
the most epic
comeback in kill
Tony history
I was like
well the second episode was
you came back
full steam
you know what you're doing
I don't know
it was great
I'm trying to use the term
I don't I don't think
it's passive wrestle
but you're fucking
with my mental right now
no I'm telling you
you're a great comic
and you're funny as fuck
and when you came back
it was amazing
that's what you said
the second episode was great
this is the point
I'm making
of what you're doing
right
the first episode was great
it was Doctor
it was Doctor
it was Doctor
videos
Doctor videos
you Doctored it
but then
then here's the thing
they said
Redman
Redman
he said
he said
that was the greatest
comeback
I was like
it wasn't a comeback
you're editing what it was
and this is what I did
you're editing
this is what I did
and I'm not saying
I think about
the kill Tony audience
like that
but I thought about them
because
this is what I said
I was like
this is what I went
like you said
I'm a great comic
I know what I do
I said you know what
I don't want to give
these motherfuckers
an opportunity
to be able to fuck with me
so I did
before I went that last
I said okay
what did you do last time
that you're going to do
different for anyone
to say that
I was like
the last one
you had some drinks
well I wasn't able
to do anything about that
because I had some more drinks
but I was like
I tried to address
what their concerns were
right
which
with them
it's not going to make
a difference
because I know
that last episode
this is what I didn't
understand about Kill Tony
I didn't understand
the formula
I don't watch it like that
first time I ever did it
I was interrupting
the one minute part
you know what I mean
oh okay
and Tony told me
first time I did it
he said
D
only one rule
he said
let them talk for a minute
I said
Tony why you have
me on this show
you know I'm going to
break the rules
he knew that
right
but then
after I
I was like
I understood
how important it was
to let those comics
get that minute
right
so when I did it
the second time
with Rob Schneider
I didn't interrupt
sometimes my criticism
could have been too hard
I was trying to be
more supportive than anything
if you watched
the last one I did
I had nothing bad
to say about people
in a harsh way
certain people I knew
was up there
just because it was gimmick
and there were certain
people I was like
oh man they really got talent
like this one lady
she was an older woman
I think she's a regular there
right
I don't know what she
know what she was
but I told her
I said you know
it's so awesome
I said when I watch you perform
I see passion
I see somebody
that's going into
a different career
later in life
which is the hardest
thing to do
I made those points
like and I wasn't
trying to be an asshole
and even
I got caught up in one
and they ran with this shit
and it's a song
that there was one of the acts
by the name of Juanita
Juanita is a gender
what is it
when you
transgender
yeah you have a dick
but you're a girl
still
yeah
yeah
transgender
right
so she came up
with this song
and she did this song
we will praise you
praise you
and I had a couple drinks
right
and I said
and I was thinking like
shit you don't have
headphones on
what
what Jamie
I just started playing it
sorry
what the song
oh you geared up
for that shit
put your headphones on
no listen
put your headphones on
oh god
okay
hold on
wait a minute
that's Juanita's version
that's not
that's the rip
okay
okay
do you got Juanita's version
oh I can find it
get to
so this is what happened Joe
so
I'm
I had a couple
two two three four five
Tito's in
and I'm only looking at the artist
with my peripheral
I'm not staring nobody down
and like
looking at them
through the pupils
or whatever
so
the performer
I'm going to say that
because I don't want to get
anybody upset
the performer was like
here we go
I'll just let them talk to still
now look how I'm not
paying attention
right
you're looking right at her
shut the fuck up
okay
listen
all right
we'll see
so it was very strange
when in 2000
I'm going to say that
sorry
okay
oh they had to cut it out too
I think
probably the song
yeah
that's the gayest thing
I've ever done
and I do anal
believe it or not
Juanita
welcome back to the show
can I do a remix of that song
for any black guy
watching her right now
I don't know
we will
we will
fuck you
it's probably true
until you find out
she has a dick
Donnell
that is
keep it going
don't
keep it going
this is amazing
that's how it happens
ladies and gentlemen
they can't tell
no
come back
no
the brothers
the brothers can't tell
the brothers can't
they will
they will
fuck you
they never
I was trying to be nice
keep it going
keep it going
because it's hilarious
whereas white guys
know
that's the first place
the white guys look
charlemagne's gonna find
that clip
we will
we will
fuck you
you are
you are
fucked on
I'm getting word
from the street
I was being nice
I'm getting word
from the streets
I'm doing some difference
son
I'm sure this happened
I don't want to get bad
like Dave Chappelle
nigga
Daniel I'm sure this happened
before in Korea
stop touching me son
I'm sure in Korea
as an 18 year old boy
this is a memory
coming back to you
oh my god
this is usually how black guys react
it's pretty
Juanita
have you been with a black man before
keep it going
keep it going
I guess it gets you in front of me
no
okay
are you just saying that
so that he doesn't find you
and kill you
no I was raised right
I'm just kidding
I mean let's go
oh shit
now I'm offended
no I have been
I've been with one
he was half
okay
he was half
half a black
okay
my career's over nigga
it's over
come on that was funny
no wait a minute
it was funny
and I didn't take
the funny thing about it was
I did have a couple drinks right
people like
how did you not know
like I live in the Midwest
and what I really thought
I know of women
that look just like Juanita
sure
that in the face
it's kind of like sketchy
like a dollar general
one to two
and I wasn't offended
but it just
it just caught me off guard
but what I'm going back
to what I was saying
about the kill Tony thing
and this is another thing
people said
well Donnell
you got upset
because Rob Schneider
was roasting
and whatever
first off
there was the first time
Rob Schneider
was on the show
right
he didn't really know
too much about
the kill Tony platform
I knew a little more
than he did
and at the beginning
he was kind of cold
if you want to say
not cold like
not funny
but he just wasn't
warmed up to the flow
and then I started
saying things
I was alley-ooping him
right
basically
people can say
what they want
I helped get him
comfortable in the show
and then he started
crushing
right
he started crushing
and then we did
anybody tell you
that episode was amazing
right
it was amazing
but this is the thing
this is what
that platform
is not a place
for you to tell
how you really feel
about somebody
right
and I owe Tony
an apology
and I'll tell you why
when Tony did
the R.I.N.
Republic National Convention
whatever
remember when he did
the roasting
yes
for that
it was a very
very testy time
you know
politics
everybody said
you shouldn't do this
and everything
I told him not to do it
you told him not to do the show
not to do that
the Republican Party thing
here's the thing
this is what
just for the people
that's listening
this is what happened
at the end of
that killed Tony
with me and Rob Schneider
all I wanted to do
I had the question on
where do you draw the line
do you draw the line
of what people think
how you're supposed
to respond to something
or are you loyal
to somebody
or how they treat you
and how they are
as a friend to you
and Tony wanted me
to do that show
and anytime I've called Tony
he's pick up the phone
vice versa
we've been in for each other
my publicist
I don't know
if this is a good idea
right now
because what you think
is a nice gesture
you want to do the show
people are going to act
like it's a political stand
I didn't want that
right
so I
you can't listen
to publicists
this is what I learned
now Joe
what I'm saying
that was my inexperience
whatever
and something
I kept calling
and I was like
what if I do this
because I wanted to
be reconnected with him
whatever
and I told Tony
he was hot
in a good way
in a positive way
I felt so bad
I called him
I said man
I really want to do
the show
but I think people
are going to take it
the wrong way now
right
and this was me
I felt bad about
I stood up
at your condo
I was on the balcony
bro
and I watched
motherfuckers
going to the show
I felt bad about it
I didn't do it
and the only thing
I wanted to do
at the end of that
Kill Tony episode
was to
apologize to him
and say
you know
as a friend
I probably wasn't there
and he understood
even though
I was like
he's never going to
let me do the show again
he said
I'd love to have you there
the only issue
I had with Rob Schneider
in that moment
he didn't have the sense
of me trying to say
something serious
right
and he was getting
a laugh off this one joke
and it was at my expense
you know
when I had this moment
I was talking about
friendship and everything
Rob kept on with
this fucking corny joke
and I didn't want to flip out
and then people took that
and it was like
oh yeah
Rob roasted him
the fuck out of here
I was trying to talk about
and I had this issue
you might have
the same issue
some people know people
a certain way
you know them
a different way
and I'll use an example
and I'm going to get
shitted on for saying this
or whatever
like oh how could you say that
I
you got to stop worrying
about what other people think
I can't do it
I can't do it
you got to stop worrying
about what other people think
this is the conflict
you know how you feel
just be yourself
I'll just say this
Kid Rock
Kid Rock right
you say that name
for some people
in certain places
they're like oh fuck him
or whatever right
I met Kid Rock
some years ago
when we were doing
the cornfield shows
in Yellow Springs
and I tell people
something
we talked about this earlier
some people are provocateurs
I really believe
Kid Rock
doesn't believe
half the shit he's saying
but I think that he knows
what's going to move the dial
as well as it's going to make him
be in the headlines
and what people are like
oh shit
and he's going to stick to them
well we did that show
in Nashville
remember we hung out with him
went to his house
yeah exactly
and with that
even when he came
to the cornfields
that time
this was the point
when he said
some crazy shit
out of his mouth
nobody wanted to be
around him or anything
right
he was like
oh bah bah bah bah
right
you know
when I do
I do this thing
I do river runs
in Yellow Springs, Ohio
and for some reason
I take people down the river
and it's like a peace thing
like you and nature
got a photo
you're right outside the door
I know
I asked for that photo here too
it's right outside the door
I love that
so now
if you look at that photo
you'll see the energy
that's the vibe I was on
and nobody wanted to get
close to Kid Rock
or anything
right
and I remember as a kid
how the black community
accepted him
in school
I'm thinking about that shit
we're riding down the river
Kid is over on one kayak
I'm on the other side
we smoke the joint
and he looked at me
and I know he was sincere
when he said it
he said
man
it felt like I just had
13 hours of anger management
right
and I was like
okay
I'm not trying to be a therapist
or anything
but that felt good
then at the end
we stopped
he's flipping burgers and shit
we got to know each other
we come in touch with each other
and he was doing a comedy festival
in Nashville
right
he appreciated me as a comedian
he said
yo D I'm doing this
I was like one of the first people
he called right
he said
you want to do it
I was like
why not
then I thought about
I was like
again what you're saying
I was like
what people are going to think
seven comedians
on the show
I'm the only black guy
I knew what I was walking into
I knew it was
going to be all
maggots
it wasn't going to be
a gay person
it wasn't going to be
a midget
it wasn't going to be
a lesbian
it wasn't going to be
anything but
bonafide
the real
real
red white and blue flag
motherfuckers
but I said
Donnell can you separate
can you go up here
can you perform
and
and be
entertaining
not shucking and jiving
or none of that type of shit
I went up there
last person
got a standing ovation
right
at the end of the show
this is what
people might not understand
and I'm not trying to
defend them or anything
at the end of the show
me and Kid Rock
in this case
I want to say
Kid Rock wasn't backstage
Bobby was
right
and he said
man
he looked at me
he said
man
I think we just
brought this country
back together
right
and I said
well don't separate it
motherfucker
he said
okay
two weeks later
he'd do some
other stupid shit
when
Trump got elected
I know people
went to his page
to see
what his response
was going to be
was he going to gloat
he was like
fuck y'all
this is America
he did this video
which I thought
was so dope
because it showed
two sides of him
it showed Kid Rock
and it showed Bobby
right
and then how they
both responded
to Donald Trump
being elected
the Kid Rock
was the
crotch grabbing
motherfucker
fuck you
right
then he came out
you find this
he came out
as Bobby
with shorts
just
no American flags
baseball cap
fucking reading glasses
or whatever
and I thought
it was dope
the dialogue
that he had
with it
he played the victory
he said
you know
we did win
he said
but this is not
a time to gloat
there's so much
stuff that we need
to do
he said
all sides
want to get to
a certain place
but we have
different ideas
on how we're
going to get there
I thought that
for whatever people
want to think
I thought that
was showing
another side
and also I told him
because I would
talk to him
off and on
I said
you know what
song you should
do
you should do
Nina Simone's
song
Misunderstood
right
just sing that shit
but I know
he wouldn't
never do that
because
the bass
that really
likes a
he's soft
now
the point
I'm making
even though
with Tony
with the situation
I consider Tony
a good friend of mine
for different reasons
right
that's why
I wanted to have
that moment
to say that
but Rob Schneider
as much as they say
I took away
from moments
on that show
he took away
from that moment
I wasn't trying
to be a bitch
I wasn't trying
to be soft
but I wanted to say
I apologize
because sometimes
friendships
got to be stronger
than that
and that's where
I was with that
and as much as
I don't need
the Kill Tony show
and this is what
I always say
about that show
I said
there's not
that reminds me
Kill Tony reminds me
of the Def Jam era
right
and when I say that
there was a platform
for undiscovered talent
people that you've never seen
for
it's such a spectacle
like Def Jam
it was people
that didn't
have the skill set
to fucking go headline
but they was being seen
same thing with Kill Tony
is your phone on
is your phone ding
shut the shut up
this is what I appreciate
about that show
for whoever
likes it or whatever
it's a platform
to get on
I travel around the country
it used to be
you remember back in the day
it was like
oh I need to be on Letterman
I need to be on Carson
or whatever
that is the
I gotta get on Kill Tony
100%
and in some cases
it's some good and bad
to that
there's some people
that was ready for it
there's some people
like you know what
you had two or three
minutes worth of jokes
you know what I'm saying
you're not ready
but it gave people
some hope
when I was staying
at the hotel the other day
three people
traveled across the country
like with the hopes of that
you know
so I know how important
that show is
you know
is it the fan base
I want them to be like
oh I can't wait to see them
but for me
I always
my whole career
I always wanted to be around
the people
the places
that they say
the best comedians perform
when I started
when I was in New York
I wanted to get past
at the Comedy Cellar
not because I wanted
to be a Cellar dweller
I didn't want to be
the guy in the back
fucking just
every weekend
just sit back there
telling what story
I was like
if this is where
the best comics perform
I want to be a part of that
I want to be past that
because when I got past
in the Comedy Cellar
it wasn't a lot of
black comedians
working in the Cellar
it was Greer Barnes
it was Keith Robinson
R.I.P.
it was William Stevenson
Patrice
Patrice
Dave Chappelle
in fact
Barry Katz
had a room
Boston Comedy Club
and it was
Black Night on Sundays
right
the black comedians
looked at me like
they'd say
where you going
I was like
I got a spot
at the Cellar
how the fuck
did you get
in the Cellar
the way I got into it
was
put the work in
I hung out
got a couple
of recommendations
and when it's time
for me to showcase
I did my thing
but the minute
I got past
in the Cellar
I didn't really care
about working there
all the time
I just wanted to be
validated as like
this is the spot
same thing
I get it
you know same thing
with the Comedy Store
same thing
with what you're doing here
it was that part of it
I get it
Greer Barnes
probably one of the most
underappreciated talents
in the country
but you know what
I've known that dude
for 30 years
he's a funny motherfucker
and he's been funny forever
you know it's so funny
that you said
underappreciated
because you know
when you
you know comedians
that put the work in
whatever
it's a phrase
that people use
underrated
but then you gotta
ask who rated
you didn't use those words
you said underappreciated
but he is
I don't know
sometimes you gotta
ask yourself
he's not underrated
by comics
he's underappreciated
by audience members
for whatever reason
I think it's
a social media thing
I just think
he doesn't have
a big presence
on social media
for whatever reason
he's a solid
solid fucking comic
though
always has been
and a solid guy
and a good dude
but that's another thing
this is the area
that we in right now
and it's like
and you notice
it's even more so
now
the most talented people
aren't getting the shots
if you don't know
how to evolve
well it's not
even just that
because like
look at Dave
not Dave Chappelle
excuse me
Dave Attell
Dave Attell
I think is one of the
funniest dudes
who's ever lived
ever
ever
one of the best comics
ever
in the history of comedy
and mostly does clubs
and does like theaters
and stuff like that
he should be
sold out arenas
all across the country
but he does not
promote himself
he's not into social media
he doesn't do much
other than specials
I don't think
I think Attell
would be petrified
not that he couldn't do it
and it was probably
remember with the show
he had
what was that
the late night show
that was before
anybody was doing it
yeah
the late night show
he'd go to bars
and stuff like that
insomniac
yeah
insomniac
this was before
everybody was doing
I don't think that
some people
they like
I think
he's always going to
make millions of dollars
touring or whatever
but I think his comfort zone
is like
he's not a club act
but he's a club comment
I think the best thing
for him he ever wants to be
is in front of 250
to 500 people
well he's awesome in that
but he does
like when Burt does arenas
he does arenas
and he murders in arenas
I think the real thing
with him
is that he's just focused
on his craft only
and the props that he gets
from other comedians
on podcasts
and things along those lines
is what really fuels
his popularity
and then when people
go to see him
just word of mouth
do you think some people
might be afraid
of a certain level
of fame
that they don't want to have
there is that
but I don't think he's that
I just don't think
he thinks about it
I mean he doesn't even
have a phone
like he carries a flip phone
with him all the time
he has an iPhone
that he like stores away
and sometimes he uses it
but when you text him
he texts you on
like doot doot doot doot
where you gotta press
four times to get an S
you know what it is though
Joe you know what it is right
well he doesn't want
to be distracted
he's in the Epstein files
yo you gotta have
he doesn't want to be distracted
you need a burner phone
if you heavily
in the Epstein files
no I think
he's only in the Epstein files
because he was on a lineup
that Epstein was gonna
go see at the cellar
I think David Tell
Louis J Gomez
is on that too
I like him
I think David Tell
is like
I think
Dave Tell's
ultimate happiness
is being
on stage
shut your fucking phone off
man
put that shit on silent
just put it on silent
do you know how to do that
you don't know how to do that
don't disrespect me like that
put it on do not disturb
you know how to do that
it's okay
it's off
it's off
okay
it keeps dinging
you popular motherfuckers
I think some people
I think
my opinion
David Tell
his comfort zone
is fucking
just being
as incognito
as he tries to be
it's just like
oh I came over this
but I don't know
anybody that turns
over material
there's certain comments
you look at Joe
and you like
god damn
this motherfuckers
constantly trying
yeah always
like
when I work with Dave
he forced me to do that
Dion Cole is another guy
when I watch Dion Cole
does like
at the Hollywood Improv
I think maybe
three times a week
he just have a Monday night
and he just uses it
as a workout right
me
when I go into a spot
I'm trying to beat
the fuck
I'm trying to beat it up
so sometimes
I get distracted
on what I'm really there for
that's to work out
new material
there's a such
there's a different level
where you just like
you know what
I could deal with the silence
I could deal with something
not working
and when I watch people like him
there's another comedian in LA
by the name of Malik S
that doesn't have
all that notoriety
like that
but when I see him
I'm like damn
every time I see this motherfucker
he's working on some new shit
and has the same passion
everybody doesn't have that
that's why
David Till
will always give
other comics
something to like
try to achieve
because he's like
you ain't gonna see him
doing the same shit
it's always a flip
and that's what makes
him who he is
and that's why
he gets so respected
by something
well he's
he's only focused
on his craft
whereas some people
are really focused
on social media
and promotions
and they have a guy
that films them
doing a bunch of wild things
and edits with music
I've never seen
so many comedians
have full out
production crews
with them
right
on an intro
I know
on stage
they think that
that's what they need
you know
they think that's
what they need
to separate them
and it does
get them attention
but what
it takes away
it does
draw some focus
away from what
you're trying to do
which is work on your shit
and come up with new stuff
where a towel
doesn't have any of that
but with that said
it takes away
but then it also
lets you know
who the special people are
right now
fucking my goddamn
guy that services
my pool
and shit say
he's got a special
coming out
I don't know
who doesn't have
a special coming out
and the thing about it
it's like
now Joe
you know it
specials aren't
if you really look at it
specials aren't special anymore
it's special
it's a weird word right
specials are a weird word
it's special
I got a new special
like no other art form
calls it a special
like if someone
like Taylor Swift
puts out a concert video
it's a video of her performance
you know
a musician puts out a video
it's that
it's like for a comic
we got a weird word
special
you know what special is
now
when you get excited
about special
if people still do that
it's who's putting it out
it's special people
that do it
it's special people
that are like
Sebastian
he's doing it special
you know what I'm saying
fucking Tom
does a special
it's special people
where you know it's special
and a lot of them now
it's just people
that's doing 45 minutes
worth of comedy
no beginning
no middle
no end
no point of view
you don't know
anything about them
it's just like
the same way
they do photo dumps
it's just like
joke dumps
right
but I'll just say
and I'm not
people say
Dave Chappelle's
butt play
but one thing I could say
however you
look at
Dave Chappelle's a what?
no I'm Dave Chappelle's
butt plug
I'm going back to
that's what people
you know
you gotta stop
listening to what
other people say
Joe
I'm second way
into a story
is it about
Jamie wearing a Fonzie jacket?
hey
he's got him
in all colors
he's got him
in all colors
he's got a red
white and blue one
he took it off
before the show
people get so critical
but at a certain point
people evolve
people that
you know them
a certain way
but then you're talking
about a person
who has a 35
40 year career
like people
like well
this last special
so and so did
it wasn't that funny
but how often
how long
are you going to
just be like
rip roaring funny
some people
have a position
where when they
talk people listen
and I look at
I'll use Dave
as an example
if you look at
all is special
20 years from now
right
you have a Netflix
and chill day
or whatever
if you play
all is special
that Dave
ever did
you would know
exactly what was
going on in the world
at that time
you know what I mean
right
you know what's going
some people put out
singles
they got one or two jokes
and some people
put out albums
he's one of those people
Sebastian is another one
and you look at like
you see how his
comedy is involved
people get older
they have different
perspective on life
and that's what you
have to fucking
accept him for
but we don't
we don't do that
right
and another thing
I don't know
if this is prevalent
in your community
and when I say that
your community
is a lot of people
but
my community man
it's just
so much
dumb
beef
and I've
it's only
one white
beef
I've ever known
about
and that's yours
mine
yes
what do you mean
the beef that you had
with it
I don't even
with benzina
yeah years ago
well that was the same
thing like with cat
like some shit
just has to be exposed
that was a real
problem man
you weren't around
the store back then
but it was a real
problem
where he had
that special
or that show
rather on comedy
central after Dave
left
which was basically
doing his version
of Dave's sketches
and he was
Steve
do you think
it was his version
of Dave's sketches
it was a lot of shit
was like the one
when he dressed
like the white guy
and had white paint
on his face
and wore the white wig
it was basically
the same character
that Dave was doing
yeah but if you look
at the history
of sketch comedy
I don't think
Dave was the first
person to ever
paint and dress
himself up
to look like
yeah but it was
right afterwards
right after
same slot
anything
that came after
Chappelle's show
they would have
compared it to
Dave was saying it
yeah
Dave never talked
shit about nobody
he was like
this motherfucker
is doing my show
Dave was saying it
Dave doesn't talk
shit about nobody
right
it was
but that was
that was only
one of the problems
the real problem
was he would
sit in the back room
and watch open mic nights
and take their shit
like they would
flash the light
when he was in the room
so comics wouldn't
do material
they would start
doing crowd work
so why didn't he
get exposed before that
why did it just
because nobody
had the balls to do it
and then he had
because he was famous
at the time
and he was doing
and look it
it cost me
I got banned
from the store
I lost my agent
and I was famous
I was on Fear Factor
I was rich
I had a lot
going for me
where I could
stick my neck out
but you came back
stronger
I give another example
like the same situation
with Dave in Comedy Central
and shit
as much as he went
through that
he took a 12 year
hiatus
whatever you want to say
what Dave showed
in that
is that he's a real artist
Dave just said
fuck it
I'm gonna disappear
for a while
like a legend
he just disappeared
I remember when
I was hearing stories
about Dave doing shows
where he would set up
a speaker
in Seattle
in the park
and just start doing
stand up
and people were like
what the fuck
and for no money
people would just show up
and he would just do
street performances
but you know
what was kind of
where he got the film
you've heard of a comment
I'm pretty sure of it
Charlie Barnett
100%
yeah we played Charlie Barnett
on the show
I knew Charlie
Charlie was like
if you ever thought
you were funny
or whatever
go
this is what
the art of
only people I've ever known
that got certain levels
of success
were Charlie Barnett
Michael Collier
when he used to live in his beach
but people don't understand
how Charlie Barnett
would like
to go to a park
go to the center of
Washington Square Park
and get to gather around
a bunch of people
in a circle
it's a certain technique
not only that
you gotta hold their attention
for one joke
you gotta get them involved
and you build this audience up
and then it's really
for one joke
a lot of people don't know
that Charlie got
Saturday Night Live
but he couldn't read
yeah he couldn't
and that's what
opened up the door
but he was so gangster
like when they wouldn't
give him spots
because you know
he was probably a bit
to deal with
he would go to
the Boston Comic Cup
and yell in there
don't go in there
I'm doing my show
in five minutes
the whole fucking club
would come out
that's how much power
he had
but then sometimes
that we become victims
of our own vices
and everything
and destroy us
more than anything
that's why when people
talk shit about
like they
or Kevin Hart
didn't get it out
the mud
you got funny
but you know
funny isn't everything
that's okay
you're funny
that's nice
oh so good
that you got talent
but more importantly
it's your work ethics
and how do you take
your God-given talent
and your passion
and turn it into money
you know
you're into music
and everything
you probably could name
a million saxophonists
or whatever
that didn't get to do
that you could be like
well listen to this shit
but for some reason
they didn't have
the business part
and all that together
and I'm going back
I'm probably talking
to circles now
but this is what
upsets me the most
about my folks
or whatever
these people
that go on these platforms
and talk shit
about people
there was a comedian
that was talking shit
about Martin Lawrence
right
well I saw Martin Lawrence
and Martin Lawrence
in the casino
you know
he's really
it's not that funny
I'm like this
motherfucker
he's Martin Lawrence
well they didn't know him
in the 90s
I used to have to follow
Martin Lawrence
at the comedy store
no this person particularly
no
if you just know
Martin Lawrence
period
that's enough
Richard Pryor
before he passed away
when he was in a wheelchair
damn near rolled him
out on the stage
sold out audiences
I followed him
for six weeks
I followed him
for six weeks
at the comedy store
when he was like that
certain people
Joe
I look at this business
are made people
how dare you talk shit
about this motherfucker
that's a good way
to put it
he's a made man
another thing Joe
a legend
you know
in this business
you can have a career
right
but you have certain times
when you just ruled
you had three years
Martin Lawrence
film star
movie star
comedy star
he had one period of time
for five or seven years
when it was just
Martin everywhere
how dare you
as a person gets older
and whether he has
a good bad
a night or a bad night
how are you to judge
and you ain't doing shit
how are you to judge
a motherfucker
that when I was
coming up Joe
every fucking black comic
in the business
wanted an audition
everybody wanted
to be hustle man
everybody wanted
to just get
two or three minutes
on Martin's show
because they knew
that would do
their career
so you judge
a motherfucker
years down the road
right
where they basically
when Martin goes out
guess what
Martin not doing
no tour
saying I'm doing
45 minutes
he's like
y'all want to see me
guess what
y'all gonna see
this young talent
you're gonna see
this person
I'm putting people on
how dare you even
have come out
your fucking mouth
and talk shit
about this motherfucker
how dare you
talk shit about
motherfuckers
and talk shit
about Kevin Hart
how dare you
talk shit about
a motherfucker
that was rocking
with a dude
Nate Smith
R.I.P.
passed away
I remember when
Kevin Hart
was the one
of the motherfuckers
doing those
comment cards
alright alright
I'm doing
email lists
one person
I remember when
fucking
Kevin Hart
had fucking
20,000 people
on Instagram
no on Twitter
and at the radio
he was like
yo
radio says
yo D
this is the problem
I seen the hard work
I see him
not just come
to fucking
New York
and do the black rooms
I'm doing the black rooms
I'm doing the white rooms
I'm doing all of this shit
how dare you
I'll just say this
and I'll answer this
it ain't no B for nothing
Cat Williams said
this is what Cat Williams said
about Kevin Hart
oh I find it very strange
that you just come
from New York
and then you have a TV show
and a movie show
and how does that happen
you were in New York
I'll tell you how it happens
you're on the biggest
showcase
in comedy
and you know what that is
JFL
just for laughs
Kevin Hart
was a product of that
Monique was a product of that
Dave Chappelle
was a product of that
no
Kevin Hart
wasn't pounding the streets
in LA
but he happened to be
on a showcase
when you
back in the day
you do it JFL
it was motherfuckers
leaving there
that probably had
$500 in the bank
leaving with a quarter million
dollar development deal
just to do nothing
that's the error it was
I remember
so just because
you weren't in LA
doesn't mean you wasn't
you wasn't beating the pavement
and I don't care
in LA
you got LA
in New York
nobody as a stand-up comic
grinds as hard
as a comic
coming from New York
opposed to LA
and the reason why
LA don't have that many stages
LA don't have that many stages
they tell you all the time
as a stand-up comic
if you
if you're trying to be an actor
whatever
go to LA
if you want to be a great
stand-up comic
bang it out
in New York
and this was
this was the rule
back in the day Joe
let Hollywood call you
you just don't go to LA
to sleep on somebody's couch
some people had that story
but it was like you grind
and back then
everybody's got their own path
you can do whatever the fuck you want
it's just work on your act
that's the point that I'm making
yeah
it's just everybody's got their own path
the real problem
in this conversation
is what I said earlier
it's worrying about
what other people think
the more you spend time
worrying about what other people think
the less you're worrying
about what you're doing
you want less you're thinking
about what you're actually
trying to achieve
and I listen to what you're saying
and I don't listen to what you're saying
and the reason why I say that
every time I go into this rabbit hole
or whatever
it's the echo
it's like a
a rogan angel right here
and is whispering
don't read the comments
yeah but I'm right
I still read them
I know you shouldn't
but I'm stopping
but this is another thing
I didn't know
what I didn't know
is that
white comedians
actually
have beef
with each other
I did not know
or at least
it's not
you don't hear about it
it's rare
it's more rare
and the ones
who have beef
are usually failures
they're usually
people that aren't doing well
I got an example
I'm exposing the industry right now
I'm not exposing
I have an example
it's so funny
and this was interesting
I was at the comedy store
are you telling me this
this is so fucking funny to me
about two months ago
right
I'm good friends
with Bill Burr
you know we did
we had the rich bitch tour
with Charlie Murphy
me Bill Burr years ago
and I know
Mark Maron
right
I don't know
what I found out is
I didn't know Mark Maron
the way white people
know Mark Maron
right
so I know Mark Maron
like when I see Mark Maron
and I was like
oh that's the guy
that had one of the greatest podcasts out
that guy that was
one of the alternative comedy favorites
Mark Maron's special
so when I see Mark Maron
I have a certain level of respect
like oh that's the guy
who did it
whatever
so I was doing
Annie Letterman's show
for what
Annie Wood
or whatever right
and I love that girl
and I'm in the green room
and I'm smoking a joint
I forget who sponsored this weed
but it was incredible
right
so I'm in there
and I'm cracking jokes
Bill is right there
and then Mark is over
by the side of the door
and I'm cracking jokes
with Bill and everything
and I felt something
nobody was really laughing
at my jokes
right
that all of a sudden
a whole fucking argument
popped off
and it was like
it was white argument
because it was so nice
they were so gentlemen
to each other
it was a whole bunch of
oh yeah
but you'll never do my podcast
it was like podcast beats
I'm right in the middle
I don't even know
I didn't even know
that they had beef like this
but they were so gentle about it
but I tell you the difference
between white beef
and black beef
I never felt
that I was going to get shot
yo I felt so safe
yo if anything
I thought it'd be like
lawsuits the next morning
defamation of character
slander
but I never knew
that it was fucking
Caucasian
on Caucasian beef like that
but this is an example
and it was entertaining
this is an example
Mark Maron was doing
really well
at one point in time
in his career
and now he's not
so Mark Maron
had the number one podcast
and after a while
his podcast wasn't even
in the top 200
it dropped off
Bill Burr
his career's
took off
he's doing arenas
he's killing it
Mark's not
and Mark finds reasons
to criticize other people
that are doing much better
than him
and he focuses on that
because he thinks
he should be getting
more than he deserves
but do you think
that's going back
to being a provocateur
he knows if he talked
to shit
people aren't engaged
think it's going back
to being bitter
and jealous
and thinking about
other people
instead of thinking
about himself
and why people
don't want to go
see him anymore
he was upset
when we left
the comedy store
because we took
the crowds away
and it's like
hey you were on
the fucking marquee too
man
right
they're not coming
to see you
and the reason
why they're not
coming to see you
is because
you're not doing well
and your podcast
was in the top
it was number one
and when it was
at number one
by the way
that's what I always
say about Mark Maron
he was great
Mark Maron was fun
to hang out with
when he was killing it
because he was happy
because he was getting
validation
because he had
the number one podcast
we were friends
like I did his podcast
he did mine
we had a good time
I'd hug him
when I see him
like we had gone
back and forth
many times
of having beef
with each other
his problem
let me finish
his problem
was when
everybody else
started doing really good
and he started
dropping off
that's what happened
just what I don't understand
why can't people
understand that
you have a moment
like I was talking
because he's
a fucking narcissist
and he wants the moment
to always be around him
he wants it to always
be about him
and when other people
are doing better than him
he wants to talk shit
about them
and that's where
Bill had a problem with it
you think being a narcissist
in this field
is a bad thing
for some reason
I think that kind of
fuels you to be
the person that you are
to be determined to do
and not give a fuck
about what nobody thinks
well having
self-respect
and having
an ego
where you care
about what you put out
yes
that's a good thing
but making it all
about you
and not being able
to appreciate
other people's work
is crazy
because other people
doing well
can be fuel
for you
to be inspired
and do better yourself
and it's a positive thing
and if these people
are your friends
and you love them
and you care about them
you should be happy
that they're killing it
and if you're not
killing it anymore
you should try to figure out
why
because it's not like
the door's not open
it's not like you're not
getting on stage
it's not like you're not
putting out specials
you should probably figure out
why your podcast dropped
from number one
to not even
in the top 200 anymore
without anything happening
you didn't get arrested
there was no scandal
there was nothing crazy
you should try to figure that out
and he doesn't do that
because he's instead bitter
bitter and jealous
he's always been like that
I didn't know that
there's a story about Jon Stewart
and Andrew Schultz came on the podcast
and told a story about Jon Stewart and Maren
where Maren confronted Jon Stewart
where Jon Stewart got some television show
he called him a fucking sellout
he yelled at him
all this different shit
Jon Stewart left the show
and they hired Maren to do the same show
the same show
that he was calling Jon Stewart
for being a sellout
so how did you go from that to
for you to have one of the biggest podcasts
at some point in your career
you had to be likable
or you think people just wanted to do this show
there wasn't very many podcasts back then
the thing that killed Maren's podcast
my personal opinion
no hate
is that he has this rant
at the beginning of his podcast
that's not entertaining
I don't think it's good
and the rant was long
and he would just ramble about himself
was very self-obsessed
and I just don't think it was good
and I think that was part of the problem
it's also the problem was
how he interviewed people
he had a very confrontational interview style
specifically with some comedians
that he felt like were below him
or that he could pick on
you would think that that style
would work in this day and age
no no no no no
people don't want
always to be uncomfortable
they want to like you man
they want you to be a good person
people want train wrecks
they want train wrecks
for 15 second
or 30 minute
30 second Instagram clips
they don't want train wrecks
to be their primary thing
they're listening to
when they're in traffic
on the way to work
but the people
that host these podcasts
now like
I think people go
on these podcasts now
and like this
this is going to be clickbait
we're going to go viral
yeah but that's
they're not that talented
that's why they're doing it
is because that's their only
method of getting attention
if they were entertaining
and interesting
and fascinating
then their podcast
would be about that
you know what
it's all in what you're
trying to focus on
what I try to focus on
on my podcast is
who do I want to talk to
I never have someone on
and go
oh this would be great
it would be very controversial
people will fucking hate them
it'll be crazy
they'll say wild shit
I never do that
my podcast is only about
who do I want to talk to
that's why I have
a lot of people on
that aren't even
remotely famous
because they're interesting
right
I find them interesting
I find with a book
they wrote interesting
the documentary
they made interesting
I want to know
something about them
it stimulates my curiosity
do you think
that there's going to be
a shift
do you think that
these salacious interviews
these interviews
I don't think about it
that's my key
I don't think about it
I would say this
you know what's funny
about what you said
that I was with Dave
a while ago
and he echoed
the exact same thing
and I was having
this conversation with him
he said D
I don't even think
about that shit
yeah don't think about it
there's other things
to think about
this is
I've said this too many times
if people have heard this
before I'm sorry
think of your focus
and your attention
like a number
think of you have
like a hundred points
in a day
to spend on things
if you spend
thirty of those points
thinking about haters
or thirty percent
of those
thinking about bitter people
thirty percent
thinking about other people
that are doing better than you
that's thirty percent
that you robbed
from the hundred percent
that you have to focus
on your life
I have things to do man
I have a family
I have friends
I have loved ones
I have interests
I have hobbies
I have comedy
and podcasts
and the UFC
and all these different things
that I like to do
and I think about those things
I don't think about
negative stupid things
with people that have bitter
angry minds
that are concentrating
on other people's success
and trying to tear them down
all the time
because they're trying
to tear them down
all the time
because they compare
themselves to them
and they don't like
how they stack up
they don't like the fact
that person's doing better
they don't like the fact
that person's more successful
so they try to take things
either out of context
or they try to misrepresent
who that person is
they try to change
public perception
of that person
to try to drag that person down
and it's transparent
the reason why it doesn't work
is because people inherently know
what you're trying to do
it might get people
oh there's beef
oh there's beef
those are simple minded people
that you're always going to attract
but you're not going to change
people's opinions of things
it's a trick
it's a trap
that you're playing on yourself
it's a waste
of your precious resources
you only have so much time
in the day
my time I spend
on things that I think
are interesting
or beneficial
or things that excite
my curiosity
and I think that
is the way I like to live my life
now if you like to live your life
constantly engaged in beefs
and being filled with anxiety
and stress
and you want to do that
okay
but those are bitter fucking people
I don't want to be a bitter person
in another life
could you have been a therapist
well I majored in psychology
for the brief amount of time
that I was in college
that was what I was interested in
but it was
I was doing that
because I was fighting
at the time
and I was trying to figure out
how to manage my mind
so I was trying to figure out
the inner workings
of the human psyche
do you think
I know this is
I'm not
do you think
your success
made you
a more calm
person
to not give a fuck
well it certainly helps
right
you don't have to give a fuck
if you have enough money
that you could just like
disappear off into the sunset
never have to worry about money
because a lot of people
are always worried about money
and so you're always constantly
in this state of anxiety
trying to get more
that helps
but it's also
it's like
there's other things in life
I concentrate on my loved ones
I concentrate on my friends
I concentrate on things
I enjoy doing
on fun
this life is short man
you and I are 58 years old
we're more than halfway dead
why would you spend
time concentrating
on people you don't like
because it's one thing
if someone's wronging you
it's one thing
if you find out
you have a business partner
who's been stealing money
or you have someone
who's lying about you
shout out to Dane Cook
no I'm just saying
his own brother
I know Dane is like
just yeah the fuck
yeah it's very
very interesting
and I'm at a place
right now
I was with John Hamm
right
San Francisco
and I had just did a show
with Dave
and it was interesting
he said something to me
he's in the back
and he's with his wife
and me kicking it
he used to come out
to summer camp
and everything
hang out with us
I don't even want to say
we're like super friends
but we have mutual respect
for each other
and it was interesting
because we're in the green room
and this is after
I just slayed this audience
or whatever right
and I'm feeling good
and he said
Donna
he said
what is it that you
really want to do
he said
what is it that you want
I said what kind of question
he said no I mean
what is it what
is it TV
is it TV show
is it movies
I was like
John
I'm doing exactly
what I want to do
for me to be able
to wake up
not have to work
for anybody
call my own shots
make a fair wage
take care of my families
enjoy my friends
and everything
and it's me connecting
with a God
given talent
anything else
is a bonus
I don't look at it
like I need
the private jet
and everything
certain things
you know
that would be nice
but I just look at
what this life
has given me
and I'm appreciative
of that
I know so many people
that of my class
whatever
that aren't doing
nearly as well as I am
or even the ones that
alright
that don't mean
that they're happy
you know what I'm saying
so when he asked
my question
I didn't think
any bad of it
I was like this
I don't get
caught up on
looking at somebody
they got this
they got that
I like this
am I happy
am I comfortable
do I get to do
what I want
so whether
I tell people
all this all the time
whether I get
another film
opportunity
whether I get
another TV show
or whatever
or any of that
I'm living
what some people's
dreams are
yes
and it's not
my dream
it's my reality
yes
and I also
had to realize
this is so easy
for us to do
you can be so
connected with somebody
and even with
my situation
with my connection
with Dave
and everything
I'm a huge fan
of Dave
he's given me
great opportunities
and everything
but at some point
in my life
I had to say
you can't be
caught up
in somebody else's
dream so much
that you forget
your realities
and my reality
is whether
I'm alongside
of him
or what I'm doing
I gotta continue
to be Donner
Rollins
I gotta continue
to support my family
I gotta continue
to do things
that I do
and it's so easy
it's so easy
for me to get caught
up like
I'm rolling with Dave
we on the Jets
we doing this type
of shit
but then I'll lose
focus on who I am
and I realize
for me
and my career
continues to go
when I know
how to make
that separation
I do have
yeah but the thing
is even when
you're caught up
with Dave
you still love him
and you don't
hate him at all
you're not jealous
of him
not at all
you might get
caught up in the wave
because you're hanging
out with one of the
greatest comics
that's ever lived
but it doesn't mean
that it's a negative
and you know
another thing
let me add to that
and I'm not
blowing my own horn
or whatever
like you said
one of the greatest
comedians to ever live
right
if a person
had a conversation
with Dave Chappelle
people could say
whatever I'm worrying
about people think
if you ask Dave
who is in his
top five comedians
my name's gonna come up
so as much as people
they always talk about
they always try to
pin me like
blah blah this
and everything
I respect the fact
that he respects me
I respect him
when we work together
we push each other
we make each other
whatever people want to say
we make each other
better
and what other people
understand is that
like he's like
truly my friend
you know what I mean
it's not like
I just work with a show
he's my friend
and even when
some of my fondest
memories
especially when I come here
is when we was doing
those fucking shows
yeah
when we was doing shit
nobody was doing
when we were doing
those lockdown shows
man
that was fun
yo
that was wild times
it was
it was
it was already
we already have a community
we all have mutual respect
for each other
but the thing
that made that so special
wasn't nobody doing this shit
right
that's what made it
and it really
one thing about the pandemic
it made you appreciate life
a lot more
than before the pandemic
yeah
it made you appreciate freedom
freedom
the ability to do shows
yeah
remember we did those shows
outside
and everybody was wearing a mask
it was so stupid
but we
it did but we
and they all got tested too
we got
they was
I was
I had so much fun
during the pandemic
I was almost embarrassed
to show the pictures
I wanted to show
like faceless shit
yo
no mask
we would take pictures
and people was like this
look at him
he could kill my grandmother
yeah
alright first of all
you did it
Dave did
I was like
people was like this
oh it must be nice
to have rich friends
to have testing machines
I was like
you're absolutely right
it is
it's beautiful
it is the most amazing
shit ever
Dave Chappelle
raped my nose
for two summers
in a row
when we were doing
the shows
in the cornfields
and shit
but this is what
people don't understand
he took
the opportunity
that village
of Yellow Springs
he made it as safe
as it could be
like any place
we would go
hotels
everybody had
an opportunity
to get
everybody had
an opportunity
to get tested
and I remember
this was very interesting
when the bubble
we did
this was Bob Saget
R.I.P.
we were doing
these shows
and I think
that before
Bob passed away
when he came out
to Yellow Springs
and was hanging out
with Dave and us
and everything
it gave him
some incentive
to want to go back
on the road
and he just got
really excited
about doing it again
we did like
55 shows
the summer was over
the run was clear
we had no
positives or anything
Dave extended
the show
another week
and that week
was when the bubble
popped
right
and now
everybody's like
freaking out
like oh my god
these same women
that was
people's coming out
there when
they was getting
flown out
in jets
they weren't
getting traffic
but Dave created
his environment
he wanted his friends
around
they was
we was going
to restaurants
we would have
the whole spot
we was just
doing all this stuff
nobody was thinking
about the possible
consequences of that
and I remember
this one girl
was like oh my god
I don't even know
why I'm here
then I looked at Dave
I was like yo man
damn we almost
made it man
through he was like
Donnell
it's going to be okay
he said you got to
realize this is the
reason why we test
when we first got
our first positive
had we not been
testing it could
have been crazy
and we got a first
positive because dudes
went to do somebody
else's podcast
and they didn't test
remember that
I remember that
I remember that
because
I remember that
Cena
it was so funny
yeah that was here
yeah
and it was like
something was different
because we had
one positive
and you remember
that backstage
used to be packed out
it started getting
lower and lower
it was basically
like me
Siph sounds
somebody else
was in the green room
and then Big J came
that's one of my
good friends
Big J came back
and he had this look
on his face
like it's over
he came in there
and I looked
and I said
boss man got it
he's like yep
and another thing
Dave could have did
this is why
I respect his character
he could have been
at that time
he could have just
been in the mask
went on stage
went back out
he canceled the show
but the funniest shit
it's a hole at Stubbs
Roman sold out
right
and then Cena
comes back
and Cena was like
I need you to go out there
and tell people
that the show
is canceled
right
I said
you don't need me
to do that shit
nigga
because the minute
it's one thing
if I go out there
people gonna be like
show starting
right
and as a comedian
I'm not gonna
not tell jokes
and then I'm like
oh yeah Dave
not gonna show up
but that was
the crazy thing
about that
everybody
at the line hotel
they was making jokes
Joe
they call it
COVID row
because we had
the whole floor
had the whole floor
locked down
right
and everybody
on our team
got it
but it felt like
an old school
chicken pock party
you know what I'm saying
we got it
we got it
what I tell you man
what we did
like
everything was like
okay
make sure you had your vitamins
all that type of shit
but the beauty of it was
we was like
you know
people was testing out
like eight or nine days
right
so we thought
we was gonna leave
after a while
we was like
I was like
wait a minute
the next room
was gonna be in 10 days
and for some reason
everybody went back
to being negative
we closed
did more shows
and we got the fuck
about here
but it was a beautiful time
man
it was a beautiful time
it was a fun time
to be alive
yep
it was a fun time
but it was crazy
and then we did that
what that fucking joint
we did
it was in Tacoma
the Superdome
that was wild
27,000
25,000
whatever it was
we broke the Tacoma Dome record
I never been in a place
where the laughter
was so hard
it felt like helicopters
it was crazy
it was crazy
it was crazy
this is what I respect
about what you guys did
you got people saying
they doing arenas
and shit
but normally
but that was pre-COVID
brother
it was pre-COVID
yeah that was pre-COVID
that was before everything
popped off
but what I will say
what I will say
about a real arena show
you got
the arena show
where a quarter
of the venue
is being used
for stage
right
so it ain't the true
capacity
right
but the shows
you motherfuckers
were doing
it was
it was
in the round
right
well the wildest thing
was walking
through the crowd
to get to the stage
those are crazy times
you've experienced
this shit
of that walk
from your UFC shit
man
I'm so grateful
for you guys
friendship and everything
and for me
it was so special
for me
because
I didn't sell a ticket
nobody else
no opening
you and Dave
sold those tickets
right
but the best feeling
for me Joe
was when I go out
and DJ trauma
and be like
you seen him on HBO
The Wire
you seen him on BMF
whatever
but simple line
but you fell in love
with Ashley Larry
Chappelle show
and them people
fucking go crazy
I don't give a fuck
if you've ever been
in the fist fight
in your life
when you come
through them tunnels
you doing this shit
right here
you feel like Tyson
like just give me a robe
just give me a towel
I'm about to go
beat these motherfuckers up
and every show
we had
there was no room
for being okay
you had to be
on your game
every time
yeah
it was fun
it was a good time
well that was
when all that
COVID shit
went down with me
when CNN
turned my face green
that was because
of a Nashville show
that we were doing
that we had to cancel
yeah I didn't know
that's what that was
yeah we were supposed
to do a show
that weekend
and I got COVID
the previous weekend
I was doing an arena
with Tony
in Florida
and I got COVID
in Florida
and then I made
that video
on like a Tuesday
or a Wednesday
it was like
the third day
after I got COVID
when I got over it
and I was like
you know I feel fine
but we have to cancel
the shows this weekend
right
and that's when
all the shit went down
because I took
ivermectin
that was
that was
that was those
oh yeah I remember that
yeah they was like
oh he has to answer
everything
yo if you don't have
the answer
at least he's
fucking trying to find it
it's so
well whether or not
whether or not
I had the answer
the crazy thing
is I was better
I was already better
and they turned my face green
on CNN
like we got to see
how crazy the media
really is
like they didn't want
to hear nothing
but you have to take
this vaccine
and you have to do that
and if you didn't take
this vaccine
you're a part of the problem
it's sorry
I just don't
as devastating
as that time was
excuse me
I'm just
how is it just like
fucking
over now
is it herd immunity
how is it just like
yeah it's herd immunity
it's it's
yeah it's also
you know everybody
who got it got it
you got immunity
because of it
and then
also whatever variants
are still left
they're significantly
diminished
that's how viruses
it's like a cold strand
now right
yes
well that's how viruses
generally go
they become more
transmissible
but less potent
over time
yeah and that's what happened
I'm gonna tell you
there was a time though man
I even said man
maybe
it was just something about
how people
got along with each other
I was like
we should do like
once a year
just have a week
of just lockdown
yo just so you can get
it I mean
it makes you appreciate
freedom
that's for sure
it made me appreciate
nature bro
I bought a fucking house
in yellow spring
because I was like
you know what
trees woods
I don't know
if the streets
can handle this
but I became a bird watcher
bro
I watched bird
I watched birds
you know what that does
to my street credit
what
to know the difference
between the cardinal
and the blue jay
is that bad
it's not the most
listen
that's a blue jay
calling
I can't be in the street
talking about
it was good shit
if you can't appreciate
nature
that's whatever
that's a bullshit
narrative
that's ridiculous
here's the thing
I didn't crash out
today
didn't crash out
I know people think
I'm a crash out king
it's not that
sometimes I just need
to talk
you mean on the show today
yeah
what did I
no
no you definitely
accused Jamie
of wearing a leather jacket
Jamie did have a leather jacket
he had a leather jacket on man
and I think he brushed his eyebrows too
it was everything
I was like
I've never seen this sexy side of Jamie
he had like a British accent
he was like
I think you want a book
you only share
I was like
who is
he brushed his eyebrows
I was like
who the fuck is this person man
it was something different
we definitely went through something
that most people
will never experience
in their life
nope
and most previous generations
never experienced it
having a nationwide
worldwide pandemic
that everybody freaked out
and we didn't
not only did we
didn't freak out
we did shows
we had a good time
we hung out together
those after parties
when we go to the line
you had a DJ
we would laugh
and laugh
we would laugh
till 2-3 o'clock
in the morning
we had so much fun
girl I was dating
she couldn't believe
that she was like
I would be like this
so what do you do
I was like
well I was at the line
kicking it with Dave and Joe
what did y'all do
just talking and laughing
till 3.30 in the morning
they was like
get the fuck out of here
you was fucking
no I wasn't
we was just
on some brohood shit
it was just
it was really good
we had so much
and we also realized
how special it was
that we could do this
while the whole world
was locked down
yep
I'm telling you
I was embarrassed
to show pictures
my mother would call me
you better be careful
out there
I'm like man
I'm getting tested
we got tested
more than probably
anybody in the country
I got tested every day
because I was doing
podcasts through
the whole thing
I did your show
doing that one time
and then we didn't
I sat down
before I got the results
the last time I was here
you was like
did he get the test
I'm like
I'm like
please don't come in here
get this motherfucker
out of here
well we definitely
had a couple people
that tested positive
we had to get them out
and I tested positive once
but the thing about it
making those
taking those precautions
you could isolate it
you knew where it came
and you shut it down
that's one thing
if you're not doing that
it's all over the place
just think about it
imagine if Jamie
would have got COVID
then we would have
never seen his sexy side now
Jamie got COVID
he got COVID
before anybody
he got COVID
really early on
when there was no vaccine
no treatment
no nothing
he had to take
a whole week off
maybe that's
why he has
the attitude
that he has
yo y'all get
all this
but we did the Kanye podcast
you had COVID
that week right
yeah
yeah he missed
the Kanye podcast
yeah but I'm sorry
Jamie if you thought
I said anything
that was kind of
disrespectful to your character
well it was just
totally false
no it wasn't
I'm telling you
that fucking ponytail
I don't know
what the fuck
he did about it
like a Steven Seagal ponytail
like slicked back
and not only that
but he put his hair back
like this
almost like
like a diddy party
that's how he started
diddy parties
foiled up
yep
I don't want to say that
because I was
never mind
I never went to a diddy party
I have a photo
but I never went to a diddy party
Jesus Christ
yeah it's like
I think people are going to be wiser
if something like that
happens again
could it ever happen again
yeah 100%
yeah 100%
there's a lot of people
that think they engineered
that whole thing
they wanted it to happen
because the largest transfer
of upward transfer
of wealth in human history
so many companies
small businesses went down
look at
big businesses
got made more money
look what it did to Zoom
yep
Zoom took off
I remember Zoom
because I was
I had a show in Naples
where I met this doctor
that he wanted me to
be on this podcast
and I was like
how are we going to do
he said we can do it by Zoom
this was when it was only like
for like business people
it was really like
the nerdy thing
yeah that's what it used to be
yeah
it used to be
but the pandemic
it blew it up
it was like now
Zoom is like
that's the best way
you don't want to talk to
somebody on the phone
they call you
oh I'm on a Zoom right now
it is so like
in everybody's household
and that shit blew up
so many businesses
did the same thing
is anybody using that anymore
Zoom?
yeah
they use it for an excuse
not to talk to somebody
yeah
do they do Zoom podcasts anymore
do people do Zoom podcasts
I never hear that term
it used to be things like
oh we're going to do it on Zoom
I don't hear that anymore
a few other platforms exist now
I don't even think people discuss it
but like
yeah they had one one
was that Clubhouse
whatever
all of these things
oh yeah
Clubhouse
Clubhouse is a big one
that was a big one
where people were
essentially doing podcasts
like anybody could just like
just chime in
and talk shit
people was getting like
a million followers
in three days
oh yeah
there was a lot of that
and a lot of people thought
that that was going to keep going
like Clubhouse is going to be
the new thing
I'm like
it's just bad podcasting
and it's what
there was only
so many things
that battle
the versus battles
that they do now
when they have like
it's mostly
it's been hip-hop
and R&B
I think it was
who was it
it was
damn
Swiss Beats
and Timbaland
I think
they started this thing
during the pandemic
it was versus
right
where you have an artist
versus another artist
in like a competitive
type of situation
they didn't win anything
but it was just
entertaining for everybody
and that went from like
it was so low level
like people was in front
of their computers
it was freezing up
and everything
but it was what
everybody was doing
now that's like
one of the biggest things
now they did one
at Madison Square Gardens
like it's a big thing
now when you want to
it's just like a competition
like you got
I think that
they had cash money
and no limit records
but it's very
I don't see no white versus
but it's a popular thing
and it started
because of the pandemic
well so many businesses
started during the pandemic
because a lot of people
got laid off
so they started
their own business
a lot of online businesses
started
a lot of people
quit their jobs
because they realized
look they could just
take this shit away
from me at any minute
why am I doing something
that I hate
when I thought
there was security in it
there's no security in it
I'm gonna start
my own business
also even like
you're an example
of what happens
when you finally realize
that you don't need
Hollywood
the way it used to be
no
well we figured that out
a long time ago
we figured that out
when the podcast
started kicking off
in like the early
2010s
I realized that
I was like
this is
I don't need
TV shows anymore
we figured that out
in like 2013
2014
and Hollywood
is not like
it used to be
I'm a very old school guy
but I remember
when
when I first started
you couldn't make it
in this business
you had to be
in New York
or LA
yep
there was no
producers going to
if they wasn't going
to Toledo
Ohio
there was no way
this was big
well there was no
comedy communities
outside of New York
and LA
no not at all
not a real community
there might have been
like a good club
that had some
like Denver
always had like
good opening acts
good community
but it wasn't
like a real hub
like Austin is now
and that wouldn't
have happened
if it hadn't been
for the pandemic
people wouldn't have
moved
they wouldn't have
moved
no
and you brought
a whole community
here as much as
this place was always
big for music
whatever
but I mean
there's no way
anybody cannot
agree with
like what you did
and what you made
appealing to a lot
of people
is that
you could go
somewhere else
get a better
quality of life
yeah
and everything
lower cost of living
better quality of life
no traffic
nicer people
yeah
and no Hollywood
bullshit
the problem
with the
LA is always
going to be
poisoned by
the idea
of going there
to become famous
right
that whole idea
was
it was permeated
in the culture
of LA
and that fame
was like the
number one commodity
but back then
it was
that was the case
it was the case
but no
go ahead
I'm sorry
but the problem
is that's bad
for art
that's bad
for your ability
to produce shit
I mean
you got great comics
that came out of LA
but that was in spite
of what LA had to offer
right
it wasn't because of
whereas Austin
like the main reason
people come here
first of all
is Kill Tony
because like you said
Kill Tony is one
of the rare places
where you can be
a comic that's been
doing comedy
three four years
even just start now
but you got some talent
you can have a fucking career
like a real career
and it'll launch
look you got
Cam Patterson
who's on SNL
right now
you got all these people
like William Montgomery
David Lucas
they're killing it
on the road
selling out
everywhere they go
Ari Maddy
these guys
I mean
they have a real career
now because of Tony
but you know
another thing
that they don't understand
is like
this is what I say
and I use you
as an example
whenever you hear
about somebody
saying that
they want to do
a podcast
the first thing
a certain name
is like
I want to be
Joe Rogan
and I said this before
nobody wanted to be
Joe Rogan
fucking 25 years ago
they didn't want
to put the work in
they want to see
the accolades
the fortune you've built
they see that part
but nobody sees
the hard work
even with Kill Tony
the fact that
during the pandemic
when he could have
let the whole platform
just fall apart
like we don't know
when we're going to do it
he dug deeper
and figured out a way
I'm just going to
continue to do it
nobody
nobody ever respects
the journey
right
and if you think
about it Joe
and you probably
the same way
most successful people
and I know
some very very
wealthy people
right
and when they talk
about their career
whatever
they hardly ever
talk about
the yacht
they have
ever talked about
the fucking
mansion they got
in Paris
you know
they talk about
it was just
me and my wife
and we drove
a Toyota
you know
a Toyota Corolla
and we was like
we was down
to our last 10 bucks
and she did this
that's the most
interesting part
of this story
for most successful people
people don't understand that
right
they only think about
where you got to
and I want to get to there too
they want to skip everything
I hear people right now
I want to be like stand up
I'm like
alright
well
no
when I was doing HBO's
The Wire
right
this guy I knew
I grew up with
he was like
this motherfucker said
yo D
what's the number
to The Wire
I want to call him
I want to be on The Wire
like there's a wire
hey
is this David Simon
yeah
I could be Omar
they don't
I was like
and guess what
if I knew the number
to The Wire
I'm not giving it to you
I'm not giving it to you
I want you to get that
busy signal
that's what it's
nobody ever wants
to respect the grind
and they all
everybody wants the rewards
of the grind
but it's not everybody
it's just people
that are
they're missing it
they're not getting
what it's all about
what it's all
like Kill Tony's
a great example of that
I was there in the early days
of Kill Tony
when Tony started out
in 2013
there was no one
in the crowd
there was no one there
it was a small show
you'd have a few comedians
you know
I was doing it
back before I was back
at the comedy store
when I was still banned
so I was doing it
from the ice house
and he didn't do it
thinking it was going to be
the number one show
in the world
and he was going to be
on Netflix
and he did it
because it was fun to do
and he wanted to do
a great job
and he wanted to make it
better every week
and he kept doing it
and kept getting better at it
it's the same thing
with this podcast
this podcast didn't make
money for years
didn't make any money
for years
it cost money
but the most successful
people are the ones
like even with
when I first started
doing comedy
right
I never
do you have some
comedians that go out there
like I want to do comedy
I want to get the money
I want to get pussy
off of it
right
when I first started
I never
the only thing I wanted to do
Joe
I wanted to be good
I was like this
if I'm good
all those other things
that are rewards to that
that would happen
but I had to be good first
and here's the thing
that I think
especially when you have
these like social media
comedians
or whatever
the thing that
the interesting thing
about it
it's kind of
hard
to tell somebody
to work on their craft
when they're getting
all the perks
of what the craft
can present them
at an early
early stage
it's hard to tell
somebody
that's only been doing it
for two years
that's making
$50,000 or $100,000
a month
off of monetizing
something
they're like this
you need to get better
hello
they don't have to
do whatever the fuck
you want to do
if you just want to do that
do that
and also
some of them
are going to figure it out
anyway
some of them are going to
figure out
I'm not getting better
I'll get better
work harder at it
there's going to be people
that don't figure things out
no matter what you do
in this life
there's going to be
a bunch of people
that have a distorted
perception
of what success is all about
and what you really want
it's always going to be that
this is an interesting question
what is your definition
of success
happiness
happiness and doing something
that you enjoy doing
and something that's challenging
so what is your definition
of happiness
friendship
love
doing something
I enjoy doing
doing it well
doing it better
all the time
getting better at it
you know
and struggle
you're always going to have
some kind of a struggle
and that struggle
hopefully
is you trying to be better
at the thing that you're doing
you
what gives you
this is an interesting question
what gives you
the incentive
to
always
continue
to want to perform
what gives you incentive
to always want to do
Joe Rogan and Friends
when you could just sit back
and fucking just
because it's fun
it's fun
it's first of all
the green room on Tuesday
and Wednesday nights
at the mothership
some of the funniest times
I've ever had in my fucking life
it's so fun
we have so much fun there
there's Ron White there
and Shane Gillis
and Tony
and
it's fun
it's I mean
it's a community
sounds like you're trying
to get me to change my fight
we enjoy our times
would you want to come on
I gotta come to a Tuesday
what are you doing tomorrow?
come on Donnell
what do you got going on tomorrow?
where are you headed back to Ohio?
no I'm going to LA
do you have a show?
I got a son
oh okay
well that's different
that's more important
but I can just give him
some roadblocks money
he'll be alright
he'll be like
yo
I'll give you some
roadblocks money
he'll be cool
let me tell you
I might
cause Cam
I wish I would've even
thought about it before
but I might
cause I haven't had
that experience
oh calm down then
if you can
if your son's cool with it
do it
if not
there's always another time
I can brag
and this is another thing
about me being an older dad
like my son is really
he could be my grandson
I don't have time
to do all those
instill vials
and morals
and shit
I'm like this
will candy shut
this motherfucker up
yo
I'm like yo
let's go to McDonald's
or whatever
but yeah
I'm gonna say
I would definitely
consider that
consider it
yeah
but that's what I like
I mean I'm just
enjoying my life
and I like to do things
that I find
that are interesting
and challenging
and I like to have
conversations
with interesting people
and I like the fact
that people enjoy it still
you know
when I first met you
and I already
I already knew
that you had
the ultimate platform
right
and I never
this is me
and I don't know
if this is what happened
but I was like
I never want to be like
hey Joe Rogan
I'm down there
from so and so
and the only respect
I ever wanted to get
from my peers
and people that were doing it
was like from the stage
you know
I always like
I was like
if we ever make the connection
I wanted to be off of
yo this motherfucker
is funny first
not just like
hey you know
I rock with Dave
and I think that
that was what happened
I used to spend time
and I never
even to this day
I don't
you know
I just look at like
I just want people
you can respect me as a man
and respect my character
or whatever
but at the end of the day
what I love to do the most
is stand up
I want you to be like
yo this motherfucker
puts the work in
and then we can build
everything off of that
that's what respect
I want to
I want the respect
from what I put in
the work I put in
and people can acknowledge that
and that's what builds
my relationship with you
it's built my relationships
with all of these
all these guys
all of these
all of these people
that I fuck with now
it ain't because
anything other than
like yo he's a dope comic
and then you can find out
that I'm a good dude
after that
yeah
it's that
and then after that
it's gotta be like
are you cool
right
is he fun to hang out with
right
yeah
Barry Ketch said that one time
he said that
in one of his podcasts
it's one of the things
that separate like
who goes on the road
or so and so
is if you're a good hang
yeah
oh my god
that's everything
I don't know
how many people
quote Barry Ketch
but I want to share
this story
you might be the only one
probably the only one
but you said something
earlier about
undeniable
right
yeah
I remember when I first
moved from D.C.
and I moved up to New York
I was doing the chitlin circuit
the black circuit
I was popular
in the black community
whatever
I was like
I don't think
this is going to be enough
I want to do the mainstream stuff
I want to do these other things
right
and Barry Ketch
Dave used to host this comedy night
at this place called
El Flamingo
in D.C.
in New York
and Barry Ketch
saw me there one day
he was like
I don't think
I've ever seen
a comedian
that go in front of an audience
that would ready to rip
someone's head off
and you could hear silence
that's the control
I had with the audience
so we built
sort of a respect
for each other
and I remember one time
I was at the comedy cellar
and he was there
and I knew that he was
back then
whatever you want to say
about him
nobody had a roster
bigger than Barry Ketch
back then
in like 97
or whatever
he had
everybody
the list goes on
and on
and I knew he was a fan
of mine
and I said
Barry man
I'm trying to work
these clubs
these mainstream clubs
but I'm having a hard time
getting past these clubs
I was like
could you make a phone call
or whatever for me
and he looked at me
he said
Donnell
he said
this is what you do
I'll probably do the worst
everybody does a better
better Barry Ketch
you gotta do Barry
like this
yes
okay I'll try it again
he was like
this is what you do
and slow it down
he said
Donnell
just
rip
right
he said
yeah be undeniable
that's what he said
he said
just be
he said
I'm not talking
and I tell
this is the advice
I give people
they say
I'm not talking about
have one good set
and you have four bad sets
I'm talking about
the consistency
where every time
somebody sees you
go on that stage
you blowing the roof off
and once you do that
if the managers
are gonna come to you
they're gonna hear about it
that's one of the things
that a lot of people
try to skip
they're like
oh how was your set
it was okay
but I can't talk to you
unless you just straight
just destroying shit
everywhere
then you got
other shit to work on
yeah
and there's also
a lot of people
that are very delusional
about how well they're doing
because they want so much
they want it all
to be about them
so they think
they should have
already had this
they should have
already had that
why don't I have a sitcom
why don't I have a this
why don't I have a that
and I always said
this is another thing
even with these lineups
you do these shows
whatever
always say that
you have time
to have a defining moment
if you're in the room
right
and for some reason
the room is on fire
the club is on fire
everybody is ripping
you probably won't stand out
as much as that night
when everybody was bombing
you've seen rooms
where everybody come back
and say that crowd was weird
but then you got one
motherfucker back there
like this
I don't give a fuck
what y'all doing
I'm going to elevate this
those are the times
when you gotta fucking stand up
yeah
well we used to see that
all the time
at the store
like late night
at the store
in particular
where like
you know
cause the way the store works
the show starts at 8pm
and it goes on till 2am
and there's a lot of people
that get there at 8pm
that are like
you know
tourists that are in town
and they sit there
for the whole fucking show
they came to see
the comedy store
so by the time
12, 30 rolls around
fuck
they've seen everything
and so you get this low period
and then someone will go up
and just tear that fucking place apart
for 50 people
when I used to
I was so naive
when I first started
that
we used to have open mics
right
and the open mic list
would be like 25 people
right
and they
they fucking
the guy that was running
they hated me so much
because I used to talk shit
in the audience
and everything
and they would keep
bumping me
down
right
and my dumbass
never got mad
right
I was like this
yeah
they want me to headline
right
25 comedians
I took that
I was like
I didn't think about
audience fatigue
or anything
oh boy
I just was like
yeah
and it would be
and but
I'm telling you
I think that was
one of the things
that made me strong
because
100%
I was like
I'm gonna do
what the next
person
there's one story
this is
one of
if you ask
Dave Chappelle
one of the
dopest sets
he's ever seen
I just would happen
to be a part of that
it was at the
Hollywood Bowl
years ago
about three years ago
right
you know
Jeff
was that when
he got attacked
no
no that wasn't
that was like
the year before
you know
Jeff Wills
Live Nation
right
sure
so we're doing
shout out to Jeff
shout out to Jeff
we're doing
a show
you know
Hollywood Bowl
is 18,000 people
right
so show starts
at 7 o'clock
right
Jeff comes up to me
he was like
Donnie
I got some good news
and bad news
he said what
he said
we're gonna start
on time
it's only but
700 people out there
right
now you imagine
what 700 people
look like
in front of
an 18,000 place
right
he said
there's only 700
people out there
he said
well
I can let you start
now or we can
wait 10 minutes
I was like
Jeff
it's not like
17,000 people
gonna show up
in 10 minutes
I said
give me the mic now
big ass stage
I jump off the stage
right
Dave and all these
people in the green room
I jump off the stage
I go into the audience
I'm literally going
to each person
in the theater
and I'll get you
a picture
you can answer
I'm going to each person
why didn't they wait
for the people to show up
and sit down
that's what I wanted to say
but they were just like
the show has to continue
I don't allow that
I never allow that
they've tried to do that
before with me
and they say
we're gonna have to pay
more money
if the show goes over
I go
then the show goes over
and we pay more money
get the fuck out of here
but for me
it was a moment
because any other comedian
not any other
most people are like this
oh there was nobody out there
so many excuses
I jumped off stage
I was like no
I can't be up here
looking like I'm about
to be auctioned off
I go in the audience
I'm going to each joint
right
and I'm fucking killing
it's 700 people
in front of
18,000
that's a great way
to start a show
but listen
and I'm like this
and here's the fucked up
thing about this
nobody's gonna know about it
cause your fucking phones
are locked up
right
yo it was a moment
Dave
Dave
everybody from the green room
came out
right
and Dave told me
to this day
he said
if I was doing
a class
on stand up comedy
he said
I would use this
as an example
of like owning up to it
and it was so crazy man
it was like
and
it was just
it was crazy
I remember another time
I was working with
I think I was working with you
it was me
you and Dave
and I think it was a time
we was doing an outdoor theater
and
it was supposed to be
a break
it was supposed to be me
it was supposed to be
I think you
Tony
or whatever
or something
then it was a break
and then it was gonna be
me and Dave
but
it was still daytime
right
where was this?
I can't remember the place
it was still
Jeff
he came up to me
he was like
I was like
I already know
I'm gonna have to go on there
and I literally
had to perform
until it started getting dark
oh
I remember this show
and I was saying to myself
I was like
ain't no way
I was like this
ain't no way
they giving Rogan
and it wasn't as shitty
people just hadn't come yet
right
I was like
I knew
I was gonna even suggest
I was like
nah
we had these two halves
right
and it was
and that was another example
okay you gotta do
what you gotta do
and I had to go up there
it wasn't the spot
that I expected
or whatever
but I was like this
you know
for the sake of the show
and I'm always like
what do we need to do
to support this
and I had to
we had to bring it down
we had to buy some more time
and then by the time
you got on stage
everybody was seated
it was dark
it was dark
that was outside
of San Francisco
I can't remember
that was California
that shit was fun
but I tell people
all the time
that I do slight mental
I was like
man there's certain times
where you gotta do
what the next person
is not gonna do
you can't bitch about shit
and at the end of the day
you gotta be a fuck
I know when I used to do
these shows with Dave
I used to fucking get
the shittiest time
like
we're at 30% capacity
I'm like man
half of these motherfuckers
not even gonna see me
but I looked at it like this
well the people
that's gonna see me
they're gonna remember it
you know
and you just gotta keep on
keep on going
that's a good attitude
yep
yeah
that's healthy
see
I feel like this
very productive
this conversation
is gonna bode well
with my mental health
yeah I think so too
everything except
the lies you told
about Jamie
you know what I'm gonna do
I'm gonna start
taking fucking videos
I wish I would've had it
yeah I wish you did too
and the thing about it
you would see
like oh man
he didn't even have
a leather jacket on
and he wasn't even
talking to me
he was talking to me
like what is it
I walked up
he didn't even know
who I was at first
guess why
why didn't I know
I never know that
I never knew
I was like
who is this fake ass
Jamie ass motherfucker
it's like
it was almost like
remember when
Family Battles
Urkel
and then Stefan
it was two characters
they had
they had
like the geeky
Urkel
and then
his alter ego
whatever
he was just this
cool ass
he was the same person
whatever happened
to that dude
Urkel
yeah
what's that
he was
and his weed
is really good
he's got a weed
Urkel purple
it's the best
he got this joint
he wrote
and it's like
some type of
Italian noodle
the spiral noodle
he used that
as a filter
but also
I spent a lot
of time with him
because he would
come out to the
cornfields
whatever
so I've been
seeing him
he's got a
talk show
didn't he get
jacked
isn't he like
is that him
Julia White
I heard Urkel
got in great shape
yeah
but he's a good guy
man
but he's another
one of those
celebrities
that I know
that want to do
comedy
but don't have
the heart
to do it
always
he said
no no no
don't do that
but he's a
he's a great guy
it's hard to start
out already famous
that's one of the
things that I really
respected about Charlie
Charlie was already
famous when he was
starting comedy
do you know
who started
Charlie
who
me
did you
and this is how
it would happen
when we were
doing the Chappelle
show
and it's safe
to say
nobody was really
making money
you know
in the contract
when you
in your contract
if your show
just blows up
you got to stick
to whatever
you was getting
for the contract
right
so we weren't
making a lot
of money
doing the show
but I was like
this we're too
popular right now
and at that time
it was me and Charlie
we was
it was Dave
me and Charlie
like the biggest
names on the show
so this was
Mike Berkowitz
who's Dave
who's head of
William & Morris
right now
right
he was a young
agent at the time
right
he was coming up
and I was like
I told Jason
my manager
at the time
Jason Steinberg
I said man
we got to do a tour
or something
I was like
yo
everybody's talking
about I'm rich bitch
I was like
let's do I'm rich bitch
tour
right
he was like
it's a good idea
I said me and Charlie
can do it
at the time
that was only
a two man show
Charlie didn't
have no time
or anything
and I was like
you know what
I want to do it
because it was my idea
I said I want to do
me and Charlie
I said we need
another comedian
at the time
Bill Burr
was not making
a lot of money
doing stand up
and I'm not disrespecting
but everybody knew
he was going to blow
but that was early
on in the career
and all Bill had to do
was have a situation
like he had in Philly
everybody knew
he was going to blow
so I said
why don't we do a tour
me, Charlie
and Bill Burr
that shit would be hot
Charlie had never
did stand up
and I used to
he used to always
crack jokes and shit
I was like
yeah you talk a lot
of shit
but once that microphone
you're a bitch
ass motherfucker
so Charlie was a guy
like don't threaten
him with anything
so this is when
they had the
Laugh Factory
in New York
in Times Square
one of my friends
was doing a show
and I was like
Charlie
yo we're going
to do this tour
you got to at least
have 10 minutes
at that time
Charlie was so hot
people would have
just yelled out
Charlie Burr
for 5 minutes
he was the MC
we just needed
his face to be there
and this was
it would be
Charlie
Bill Burr
and myself
and Charlie
had no jokes
and like you said
I was like
maybe
I don't know
if you guys
understand how it is
to be selling out
as an open miker
crazy
and he had to get
his voice
and I know
and I was like
why did he never do this
but part of it
was because
he probably never
wanted to be compared
to his brother
he never wanted
to be able to like
that's his brother
and he had his own
style or whatever
so we did this
fucking tour
for like
a year
and then I saw him
start to grow
sometimes he took
some hits
but he became
Charlie Murphy
he became like
I'm not my brother
I'm a storyteller
he stuck to that shit
and one of the things
that I would say
that I really appreciate
about what
the Chappelle show
gave to Charlie Murphy
when Charlie Murphy
passed away Joe
nobody said
Eddie Murphy's
brother died
they said
Charlie Murphy
passed away
so that show
didn't do
and when I tell you
one of the most
stand up
original guys
all of those stories
like was it true
it was
he told
that was just
part of the story
me
Dave
me
Charlie and Bill
built a relationship
we did something
that was spectacular
then
but
Bill Burr
used to fuck with us
and I'm gonna tell you
one of the things
he would do
we would be on the road
and all we used to do
was argue and fight
and just fuck with each other
and Bill Burr
he did some fucking
I don't wanna call this
racist or whatever
but whatever
it was very Bostonian
okay
I won't say
but what he did
I didn't know
two years later
Bill Burr
when we meet up
he would buy
a fucking
like 12 piece
of Popeye's chicken
right
and he knew
me and Charlie
would devour
that chicken
and we would be
in a sleep coma
right
the next 15 minutes
and it was almost
like he gave us
sleeping pills
and shit
he would get us
a chicken
we'd be knocked out
and then he'd just
go and just
laugh at us
and shit
but that time
that was such
a great time
because you saw
people's careers
being born
like Bill
was already
on the trajectory
to be great
you know what I'm saying
but at that time
and this is when I say
the stories
that you remember
I'm pretty sure
Bill still remembers
like this was
the first time
that he was making
like regular
good money
every week
you know how it is
for being a fucking
headliner
that's doing
$800
a weekend
or they give you
a deal
$2,000
and then
you get a $500
bonus
when you sell
or give away
$300 tickets
and you're not
working every weekend
and you're not
working every weekend
and then you got
club bonus
like the bonus
is supposed to be
at $300
and they'd be like
couldn't give me
that bonus
you was at $298
you know
I'd be like
motherfucker
I could have
bought those
and they lied too
they lied to it
they lied about
how many tickets
you sold
they lied to
and then they wonder
why when guys
become big
and everything
they don't want
to come back
because I remember that
oh I remember that
there's a couple
club owners
that they can go
eat shit
and I tell people
all the time
when everybody
talk about this
I was like
yo try this
try doing a
fucking tour
for a year
and a half
and every night
you had to come
behind Bill Burr
I had no days off
and I knew
when I had a day off
I wasn't hitting
on all cylinders
because that's when
they used to have
comment cards
right
the comment cards
like
I don't know
why the white boy
didn't go last
but that always
that always
kept me
in shape
you know what I'm saying
it's like this
you don't got no time
to play around
because Bill
because Bill
was one of those
comics
Bill was like
Bill would come
Bill did the mainstream
shit
and he was one
of the only white dudes
who would do
the fucking
most grimiest spots
ever
and I'm pretty sure
he's always gonna be
a great comic
but I think that
that helped
build his character
like
I think that was
probably
what made him
be in a position
where he go to Philly
like
yo fuck y'all
I just did
Donnell's
fucking hood club
in Brooklyn
if I can handle that
I can handle that
well that rant
in Philly was
because he was doing
the Opie and Anthony
tour
so when Opie and Anthony
their crowd
were brutal
their crowds
were fucking brutal
they was Kill Tonys
before Kill Tonys
way worse
way worse
that they had
sort of
fed into that crowd
they fostered that crowd
they called them
the pests
but then
even going back
to what I was saying
in this career
sometimes you have
situations
to have a defining moment
and that was
one of those things
I'm pretty sure
everybody went on
before Bill
was throwing a towel
and he was like
fuck that
what happened was
Dom Herrera went on
and you know
Dom Herrera's a legend
how's he doing man
he's hurting
yeah he's got
he's hurting
he's got
whatever that
neurological condition is
it's not good
I mean I don't want to
speak out of turn
about his
his health
but it's not good
but
Dom
they booed Dom
they were just rough
they wanted you to fail
and Bill went up
and go fuck you
you know
and he just went
into this crazy rant
you know who else
had a moment like that
who
Bernie Mac
did he
oh on Def Jam
yeah
I ain't afraid of you
motherfuckers
you know how that was
you know how that was born
why
first off
Martin Lawrence was the host
and that night
everybody was taking licks
right
and there was another
it was a comment from DC
named Butch Burns
right
he was very popular
in DC
Butch Burns went on stage
and bombed so bad
motherfuckers throwing shit
there was nothing
that Martin could do
you know how sometimes
you try
and you like just
whoop
you're on your own
right
it's like whoop-de-doo
right
so Butch Burns had bombed
the room was going crazy
Martin couldn't do anything
next on deck was
fucking Bernie Mac
Bernie Mac saw
Butch Burns on the way out
and he told him
he was like
listen man
hold your head up
man
he said
the sun might not shine
on your day
but you'll have another
opportunity to shine
and the reason
he didn't plan on
I ain't scared of you
motherfuckers
and then
Bernie had a situation
to go through
because Bernie was on
Def Jam before
he dressed in a suit
and everything
he was looking like
a Chicago player
but he didn't think
that he connected
with a young audience
like that
so you even watch
the way he was dressed
from the previous show
to the next one
the next one
he had more of a hip outfit
had graffiti on the jeans
he was dressed up
for that part of it
no idea
I ain't scared of you
motherfuckers
he did have the energy
that he was going to do
the connection he was going to have
with the DJ
right
but what made it so explosive
is that he said
fuck y'all
he said
he did his joke
and didn't
that's why
you hear like
why was he saying
I ain't scared of you
motherfuckers
it was because
of the other shit
he said
I ain't scared of you motherfuckers
kick it
boom boom boom
he said
what'd he say
and it was such
the most simple
stock jokes
Bernie was so powerful
so powerful
so powerful
the rhythm that he had
and the fact that
you knew
that something was special
would happen
that's why
that fucking audience
looked
was so fucking charged up
because he said
fuck y'all
I saw Bernie live once
at the Comedy Connection
and Faneuil Hall
in Boston
I remember that club
he was on fire
he was so powerful
first time I saw him
at Comedy Connection
at Greenbelt
I used to do this club
and it was a couple
of people that had come through
and I was like
these motherfuckers
are the next level
it was him
another person
that was like that
was George Wallace
oh yeah
you know another person
that was like that
Rich Voss
oh yeah
yo George Wallace
first off
I knew George Wallace
was on the next level
I've never seen anybody
go to the comedy club
and the deal he had
was 100% of the door
everything
you just get
your drinks
your chicken wings
100% door
they had to give it to him
wow
and George Wallace
he was old
George Wallace
always been an older dude
right
somebody said
you know his thing
is your mama jokes
right
somebody had did
a mama joke
and motherfucking
George Wallace
ripped off about
30 mama jokes
I felt so bad for him
and then
Rich Voss
fucking
Rich Voss
fucked me up
because
I'd never seen
a white comedian
perform at his club
it was a black club
Rich Voss came in
and he had a ponytail
similar to Jamie's
right
he had jerry curls
no
Rich Voss had a ponytail
the same one
that Jamie was wearing
when I
right
it was Rich Voss's
right
and I saw
Rich Voss
go up there
and destroy this crowd
I was like
this white dude
don't know what's going
and he fucking
killed that shit
I
I had
you know
when we talk about
joke stealing
right
I've never
I stole one joke
in my life
and I apologized
to Rich Voss
I was doing a show
and none of my jokes
worked
I tried
yo
I tried everything
I tried everything
and I said to myself
what joke
have you heard
I didn't mean to steal
right
I borrowed it
okay
I said
what one joke
you know
that fuck
will kill this audience
and Rich Voss
used to have this joke
he said
you know what they say
once you go black
you never go back
he said
yeah
cause your father
won't let you back
in the house
right
I stole that joke
I got him laughing
I got him back on track
and then I had to call
Voss
I said
man I'm so sorry
I said
it's gonna get back to you
but I stole the joke
he was like
no problem with it
well at least you admitted it
yeah I did
alright
I think we accomplished a lot
this was therapy for me
I think it was good for you
stay out of the comments
I'm gonna stay out of the comments
remember that podcast
we did with RZA
no don't do that
they still talk shit to me
I grabbed you
at the end of the podcast
and said
that was great
don't read the comments
exactly
that was a long time ago
I've been giving you that advice
for a long time
you did tell me
don't
but the part of that story
people don't know
is that
I did my podcast early
I hadn't seen my son
in like two and a half weeks
I was in a row
and I came straight there
straight to the podcast
to do it
right
and then
I was like
you was like
yo you wanna hang out
this is what people don't know
this is the side
you don't tell them
you invited me
you invited me
I did invite you
you did invite you
I thought it'd be fun
you said that RZA's gonna come
well we were having a good time
we did a podcast together
we were hanging out
and I said
are you going anywhere
you wanna
I'm doing a podcast
with RZA next
you wanna hop on
I thought it would be fun
I thought it would be fun
it was
it was fun
I would like to tell
my side of the story
we already did
we've done this
many times
I think like every other podcast
we do
you tell your side of the story
I'm never gonna say this again
Joe
I was gonna leave
and I was like
I was like
man fuck Wu-Tang
man I'm gonna see my son
right
and I'm leaving out
and as soon as I get ready
to get in my car
the RZA comes out
and this motherfucker said
what's up
Ashley Larry
and I said
fuck my son
I'm fucking with the Wu-Tang
right
and I didn't
but it was a good time
it was fun
but what people don't understand
is before we did that
RZA said
yo yo
bong bong bong
I got this idea
right
I said
well he said
I'm gonna do these jokes
they're gonna be
he was trying to pitch jokes
like he was on the jokes
and I was like
please don't do that
right
I was like
please don't do that
and we sat down
and of course
it went
I had a good time
but people's like
you just ruined it
you ruined it
for the RZA
you just ruined it
but shout out to the RZA
it was fun
it was a good time
it was fun
and thanks for
whenever I call you
let me
I can't even tell people
anything other than
yes I'm on tour
go to donairrollins.com
get tour dates
alright
and here's my
here's my shit
a joke could be too soon
but it never could be too soon
for a funny observation
and that's what you're gonna get
when you come to my show
alright
thank you sir
appreciate you brother
I'm taking this gun with me
Jamie stay sexy
stay sexy
bye everybody