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Filippo Biondi, PhD is an engineer and signal processing researcher who was part of a team that discovered unusual signal patterns beneath Egypt’s Giza Pyramid complex using advanced radar imaging technology. www.harmonicsar.com
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How are you, sir?
Fine, thank you.
Thank you very much for being here.
I'm really excited to talk to you.
Obviously, there's been an amazing amount of interest and controversy because
of your work.
We should explain to everybody right off the bat what this is about.
You are the man that was at the head of this research that is looking at
structures that are underneath the bottom of the pyramid.
And incredibly controversial, very fascinating.
And if it's accurate, it essentially rewrites all of human history.
Yes.
Thank you for this invitation.
And yes, the group is composed by Corrado Malanga, which is the head of the
group.
And the dean professor of chemistry at the University of Pisa.
Could you explain your background, please, so people don't understand?
Yes, my background is this.
I am a telecommunication engineering.
I graduate at the university.
What is that word again?
Say it again.
Telecommunication engineering.
Telecommunications engineering.
Okay.
It's like your English is excellent, but the Italian accent, although fabulous,
sometimes it's difficult to translate.
Thank you very much, Joe.
I'm sorry, yes, that I'm not mother tongue of English.
It's still much better than my Italian.
Okay.
Thank you.
Yes.
I graduated myself in university at the University of Lecce, south of Italy.
Very nice university.
And it was, it is, has the name of a famous mathematic, mathematic Italian,
which is Ennio de Giorgi.
Ennio de Giorgi was living in the era then John Nash was living also.
And they were, they were, they were one against to the other.
And they were, they was both studying the 19 Hilbert problem and Ennio de Giorgi
solved this problem one week before John Nash.
Ah, interesting.
John Nash, who, from the famous movie, A Brilliant Mind, with Russell Crowe.
Yes.
Yeah.
And so then I performed my PhD at La Sapienza in Rome.
And now I'm here.
And how did you get involved in this, this discovery?
Yes.
I worked on radar and the synthetic battery radar for a lot of time.
Radar.
For the Italian military, right?
Yes.
Some work.
Yes, yes.
Some work.
Which you can't really talk about.
No.
Right.
And I was involved in some research where together with the Italian Research
Council of Bari, always the south of Italy.
And we were testing some special processing that were able to perform something
special.
And so this is.
So this top secret research that you work on for the Italian government led you
to try this stuff out, try this technology out.
And this is satellite-based technology, correct?
Yes, yes.
And it's a radio tomography?
Yes, it is something, in my personal opinion, very simple.
The radar is installed on board on the satellite.
The satellite flies in the space at a distance of 600 kilometers at 7
kilometers per second in velocity.
So while it flies along the orbit, it is able to catch snapshots of the Earth.
The snapshots has to be focused.
And this focusing procedure, let's say it in the azimuth, I take it easy, in
the azimuth direction, is done by sound, by the processing of sound.
Because it is involved with the so-called Doppler frequency.
You know, Joe, when you hear noises that are approaching to you, this noise
will rise the frequency.
Because the target has a velocity, a positive velocity with respect to you.
And so the frequency is rising up.
And this procedure allows us to estimate or to grab, let's say, the vibration
information that is always present at the surface of the Earth.
In terms of evanescent waves that are present on the surface of the Earth.
So this vibration, which is mechanical vibration, carries inside of this the
information that is located underground.
And so we did this.
And was it a specific idea, was it the idea specifically to look under the
pyramids, or was it something that was discovered accidentally?
Okay, yes.
Once we discovered, we discovered this, this method, it was a coincidence that
I knew Corrado Malanga.
And at that time, I speak, I am, we are in 2018, he was studying the pyramids.
And so we were talking about something that if there was some methods able to
scan inside the pyramids because he needed some information to conclude the
research that he was doing.
And so I proposed to him to use my technique and we started to work together
and so we focused in that time on the pyramids.
And when was this, when was this, when was the first scans?
Yes, in 2019.
In 2019.
And when you got the data back, did you immediately get the data that you're
showing today where you see the columns with the coils around it?
Okay.
So let's say that this research is, can be divided by two, the first one, 1.0,
we were concentrating research on the Khnum-Khufu pyramid, the Keops pyramid,
to watch inside the pyramid.
And so we have detailed, tailored our processing to watch only inside the pyramids,
because that pyramid, only one pyramid, because we were doing that kind of
research.
Then once we discovered things in 2020, we published the peer review paper, and
we gave public the results that we found inside the Khnum-Khufu pyramid, we
decided to expand our research in all the Jiza plateau.
Can I stop you there?
When you looked inside, so we know quite a bit about the Khnum-Khufu pyramid
and what the chambers are inside of it.
Did this technology accurately describe the pyramid itself and the insides of
it, the chambers that we know exist?
Absolutely, yes.
Because we have detected this multi-layer structure that is inside the Khnum-Khufu
pyramid, the so-called Zed.
We have discovered it very well from the space, and it is located inside the
pyramid.
And also we discovered the new, no, we discovered it, we gave an image also of
the other known structures, like the Grand Gallery.
The Grand Gallery.
The Grand Gallery.
And then also the Queen's Chamber and the King's Chamber also.
And accurate in terms of size and dimension.
And also position and location.
Okay.
So when did you decide to focus below the pyramid?
Yes.
We decided to focus below the pyramid because we were, our intention was to
expand our research.
And then also thanks to the third component of the research group, which is Armando
May, he suggests us to expand our research and scan all the Gisa Plateau.
And so what date was it that you discovered these immense columns with the
coils around it and all those structures that are underneath the pyramid?
Yes.
In the second part of our research, we started focusing our scans on the Khnum-Khufu
pyramid, and like Khnum-Khufu.
And then we adjusted our algorithms to go deeper, and so when we did this, very
nice things began to appear on our results.
What did you feel when you first saw those images that do appear to be immense
columns?
I believe the diameter is 20 meters?
20 meters.
So they're huge, enormous columns.
Yes.
What went through your mind?
Skepticism.
Skepticism.
I told for also Corrado was with me because we had those results in our desk
without disclosure or anything for six months because my opinion was that it
was not real.
So I was thinking that maybe it was noise or some artifacts due by our
processing procedures.
Did it give you pause at all that they were so uniform, that these columns were
in very specific places and that they lined up, there was a uniform gap in
between them?
Yes.
And why we disclosure this?
Because we started to use also other satellites.
And once we, at the beginning, we were using only the Italian satellite system
that is, it is Cosmos SkyMed and Cosmos SkyMed second generation.
It's very good, very precise.
But we wanted to shift our research using also other satellites because, Joe,
in research, when we have diversity, diversity is a good thing because it
confirms other things that we were searching.
So once we had the same results while we were using American satellites called
the Capella Space and also other satellites, having always the same results, we
decided to disclosure.
How many different scans have been done on this area?
Two or three hundred.
More than 200.
More than 200.
And all with uniform results?
Yes.
Wow.
Yes.
There's a lot of resistance to this.
And it's from the usual characters.
And it's from people that I would characterize as gatekeepers of archaeological
information.
And unfortunately, they are not willing to approach this with an open mind.
And you see this skepticism that just seems to me to be confirmation bias.
They want this to not be true, regardless of the sheer number of scans and the
uniformity of the results of these scans.
And also the fact that this stuff has been proven to work on other things like
didn't you guys use this exact technology to get the exact dimensions of a
particle collider that you have?
We have a particle collider where I was born in L'Aquila, which is located in
the center of Italy, at the center of Italy.
And there is a huge mountain called Gran Sasso, the Gran Sasso d'Italia, which
has a maximum altitude of about 3000 meters for being precise to 993 meters.
And so there there is a tunnel, very, very long tunnel, about 11, 12 kilometers.
And in the core of this mountain, there is a particle collider.
There is a laboratory, let's say like that.
And this technology got the exact dimensions of this particle collider that's
deep in this mountain.
Yes, at 1.4 kilometers with respect to the top.
Wow.
Yeah.
OK.
So we know it's accurate.
We know it works.
What do you think it is?
I mean, other than what I said, that it's gatekeepers of archaeological
information.
It's people that don't want to admit that there's perhaps a quite a bit bigger
mystery than just the pyramids themselves.
What do you think it is that is causing this resistance?
Personally, it's true.
We found a lot of resistance.
Yes, it's true.
But personally, I don't know why.
I can say something regarding to my personal opinion.
Joe, it is something that maybe is too big, too huge to be disclosed like that
today.
I don't know why.
It's confusing to people because it's essentially paradigm shattering because
the pyramids themselves are absolutely spectacular.
The Great Pyramid is 2,300,000 stones.
The alignment is the perfect true north, south, east, and west.
It's a really incredible accomplishment, whoever built it and when they built
it.
It's just undeniably fascinating that this was done at the very least 2,500 B.C.,
probably even older than that.
We really don't know.
But that alone is spectacular.
But then when you add the findings that you have, it just makes everybody go,
we don't know anything.
We really don't.
We know that these things exist, but their purpose has always been speculative.
The speculation was that it is some sort of a tomb.
But that doesn't make any sense because there's no hieroglyphs inside of it.
It doesn't seem like a tomb.
It doesn't look like a tomb.
And I'm sure you're aware of Christopher Dunn's work.
Yes.
Yes.
Which, you know, he's an engineer, and he said it appears that this thing is
some sort of a mechanical thing,
and that it's probably designed to generate some kind of power.
Yeah.
Yes.
In this context, I have spoke a lot with Christopher Dunn, and I like a lot his
theory, and it makes sense.
And so this discovery matches a lot with his and also to other scientists that
make recast the effective purpose of the pyramid not to be tombs.
Today we are sure.
We are sure of one thing, that the pyramids are not tombs.
They're not tombs.
And what is truly spectacular is that if this data is accurate, those immense
structures that have baffled mankind forever are just the tip of the iceberg.
Yes.
That's just the top.
Yes.
And underneath it, you have these immense structures that we have not yet fully
explored, but you have data that shows that let's look at the images.
Let's pull up some of the images so people can see what we're talking about,
because once you see it, your mind just goes, okay, what are we even talking
about?
Like, what was this civilization?
When did it exist and what kind of technology would allow them to not just
construct the pyramids, which is absolutely baffling, but if this structure
that is underneath the pyramids is accurately described by your work, we're
looking at something that is going to have to change our entire perspective on
the history of humanity.
Yes, I agree with you, Joe, because what we found, it is something that has
been confirmed by our measurements.
And at the moment, I suppose that our measurements are the only data that we
have, because there aren't other data.
So, what we are observing, we are observing principally vertical structure,
this vertical structure has a pattern, a regular pattern, and this regular
pattern is constituted by a so-called spiral nature.
I found this.
Okay, so, what are we looking at here?
These are-
Oh, this is the right one.
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yes, that is the Kaffer pyramid, and you see, Joe, at the top of the tomography,
the tomography is on the X, so the horizontal dimension, we have the space,
okay?
Space, just the range.
And on the vertical, we have the depth.
Okay.
On the top, we have the pyramid, you see.
You see the pyramid on the top.
And while you go down, you are observing the structures that are going down,
and look, you have the spiral nature of the structures.
Okay, this is not the clearest image that I've seen, so let me see some other
images.
Because this is just one, right?
I know, that's what, this is from his presentation, and I didn't know where to
get the best image from it.
Okay, back up one.
So, go, go, okay, again.
We have a lot of images here that is recasting all the research that we have
done together.
So, the images that are going around online that people have seen are these 3D
replicate.
Pull up some more of those.
Yeah, I was thinking about the web.
Okay.
Some of the images online are recreations of what is observed and what you
believe this could look like underneath, correct?
So, we have performed measurements, and they are sound measurements that are,
that has been picked up from the surface of the Earth by satellites.
So, they are very precise, and they are coherent.
Coherent, it means that contains a lot of information.
So, it is characterized to have high entropy.
And so, when we perform the so-called tomographic inversion, we can see what
there is underneath.
Okay.
So, this is a recreation of what you believe it looks like.
Yes.
And how are you getting that from the image that's below that?
Okay.
So, the image is just one aspect of the data, correct?
Yes.
The image?
This.
Yes.
This multicolored image.
Okay.
Here, we are observing inside the Kafri Pyramid.
And inside the Kafri Pyramid, we are observing those structures there.
Those are inside the Kafri Pyramid.
And the image above?
Yes.
That is an artist's recreation of what you think it looks like.
Yes.
Now, how did you make that determination that that's what it looks like?
Okay.
So, the 3D model has been retrieved, not observing just only one result, but
observing a lot of results.
So, putting on a table all the results that we have, we were able to retrieve,
so to facilitate people to read our measurements.
Okay.
So, observing the results, we were able to determine the spirals and the
structures that are located, starting from the base of the Kafri Pyramid going
down.
I've seen other images of the scans that are more convincing than the one that's
below.
So, let's see if we can find some of those.
What else do you have here?
Yes.
These are all images that are related to the first.
So, this is just an article that's in the news.
Okay.
Yeah, I don't just, I mean, I even went here.
I don't.
What is, like, where's a good place to get the best versions of these images?
Like that right there.
Okay.
It's just kind of.
Okay, what is this?
Okay.
Here we are watching a wide area of our tomographies.
Let's look, and we see the structures that are going down.
Yes.
This is much clearer.
Yes.
Okay.
And below the structure, at the end of the structures, there are huge chambers,
but they are really huge, approximately having a width and a length and a
height of 80 meters.
So, 80 meters structures that are below all of this.
Yes.
So, almost the size of a football field below all this that is some sort of a
chamber.
Yeah.
And see if you can find some other images, Jamie.
So, the coils, how did you determine that there was coils?
Is it just because of the gaps that you see in the imagery, whether they come
in this uniform pattern?
So, I have two or three slides on my presentation where we find the coils.
Okay.
Let's see if we can find those slides.
Do you know which slide, maybe?
If you go down, please.
Yeah.
Wait a minute.
Okay.
Okay.
Here we can observe a regular pattern.
So, not, not coils.
And we, and we go, we go down, please.
Okay.
Regular pattern and the coils are beginning to be seen there on the third image.
Here, regular pattern.
Go down, please.
And here, this is, in my personal opinion, the fourth image from the left to
the right, the fifth image.
One, two, three, four, the fourth image, I'm sorry.
Where you have a core at the, at the center of the, the, the coil or at the, at
the center of the, the structure.
And then we have a, a, something that spirals down.
So, has anybody speculated about, about what this could possibly be?
Like what these coils are?
Yes.
Uh, I spoke with, uh, uh, two independent, with, uh, let's say with, uh, some
independent researchers and, uh, uh, especially with, uh, Christopher Dan.
And, uh, um, and also, uh, I spoke also with the Jeffrey that, uh, uh, is, uh,
uh, considering also the GISA power plant,
like a chemical reactor or something like that.
So, we have, uh, uh, uh, uh, scientists that say, okay, can be, uh, something
related to electricity.
Or, uh, uh, uh, or we have something related to chemical, to chemicals or other
things.
In my personal opinion, me, I can see anything.
I can say anything because, uh, I just measured what there is there.
So, it is not my, uh, how you say, my, my job to do this.
My job is, okay, here we have the measurements and now we have to see what
there is inside.
In my, in my personal opinion, this is the right, um, time to say, okay, let's
go, let's go there and see what there is.
let's start digging yes yeah um pull up some more images please jeremy um so
yes this is very
important if you want i can i can tell you yes please okay because it is the
very important
project research project that i am working now and it is something that if
could be possible
we can go there and without digging anything we can go below why because
belonging between the sphinx
and the kafre pyramid there are some shafts and there there are the photos of
the shafts where we
can go in situ and we can physically go there and see and watch those shafts
currently the shafts
are blocked by debris and there is also rubbish inside so we i performed i
performed a lot of
scans at those shafts and you see joe the the shafts goes down down down down
and they reach
chambers that are below and that is the doc doppler tomography readings yes so
these shafts go down how
far do they go down yes they go down approximately 600 meters 600 meters wow
yes so 600 meters down and
then they reach a chamber yes what is the conventional explanation for these
shafts is there one
like what is what do current archaeologists what is academia what do they think
these things are leave
that right there for a second yes yes this is the complete 3d model that me and
corrado did and so to
observe all the structures that we have find that we found
evaluating the tomographies that we have done on the gisa plateau so it's not
just under the great pyramid
pyramid it's under all three pyramids and also the sphinx and also the sphinx
yes and they all seem
to go do they go down to a uniform depth uh we found at the moment the same
depth yes and they all have
chambers at the bottom yes absolutely yes and that's the the the in my best
opinion my the next thing that
that we are dealing at the end of the structures of these tubes that are going
down there are
huge chambers how huge as i told you before 80 meters times 80 meters and times
80 meters of height and
that's uniform underneath all the pyramids yes the same dimensions yes wow when
you look at it like
this when you see your 3d recreation of the site it's stunning yeah because it
just it just makes
you think like what is this i mean i can understand the skepticism and i can
understand the resistance to
this that modern academics have because this throws a giant monkey wrench into
everything
this makes makes everything we know about that area thrown into question
because if this is true
like i said this this rewrites history because you're dealing with an advanced
civilization that is
demonstrably more advanced than us
yes yes because they were able to to build very precise things but not at the
surface of the earth
below well they even built a lot of precise things that confuse it's like one
of the things that
christopher dunn gave me is this it's a the recreation of the vase of one of
the many vases that they have that is
accurate in its the the way it was made down to god what was the number a
thousandth of a human hair
something crazy like that like much less than a human hair in the diameter in
the uniformity of it and
the fact that it was carved that this is incredibly hard stone at a time where
there was no metal alloys
they you know they're supposedly had copper tools no one understands it no one
knows how they did it and
it has handles on it so it couldn't even been turned on a lathe
yes and also if we go inside the pyramids inside and also outside the pyramids
we can observe
that the measurements are very precise the the chambers are constituted by flat
walls
we don't have inscriptions and the dimensions are all related to the constants
to the major constants of the universe
right they're all aligned to the constellations there's a lot of like very
strange calculations that they
were able to make like pathways where the sun during the solar equinox passes
right through it's a
fascinating place yes but when you started acquiring this data and you started
accumulating it and then
started going over it with experts what did that feel like to you when you're
when you're realizing oh this
is real yes it was something that uh was very very nice for me because
because uh when we disc the the thing was um i um was saying always to corrado
corrado
shall we disclosure this or not i think for for now not for now not but then
the results were always
the same so we decided to to disclose all these uh how long did you sit on it
before you decided to
disclose it now one year one year so for that one year how conflicted were you
you must have been
walking around like i have the biggest secret on earth yes how weird was that
only two percent that's crazy that's crazy two people having one of the biggest
secrets on earth
that's backed by data i mean it's not it's not even like you know someone told
you something
like you have extraordinary data due to fascinating modern technology that
indicates that there's these
paradigm shifting structures yeah and uh i tell you joe i i would like to go
there and see
what there is in person yes because it's it's now time i think is there
resistance from egypt and the
people that are in control of that area or are they fascinated by it i tell you
joe i didn't far
find a lot of resistance there is i found a lot of resistance in the internet
yes a lot
of the banking a lot of people that know it's not true it's not true a lot of
people that continues
continue were continuing to say no radar can penetrate the earth for one
kilometer and they didn't know
or they they they purposely not saying this that we are not penetrating
anything because we are just
grabbing the entropy that is on the surface of the earth and with with with
that information we are
retrieving tomographies it's something new that i invented but it works because
we have benchmarks that
demonstrates the effectiveness of the method and it's this is hundred percent
and there's also been
some criticism that the patents have expired but that's because you have new
patents on better stuff
yes now joe i am under nda so i i we just uh might think i i can say something
about the second
patent because just yesterday we filed the patent in usa nice yes wow um have
any academics reached out to
you in support that are interested in this and would like to explore this
further yes yes
i i i tell you this there are companies related to mining and crude oil
extraction and then also water
joe today we are leaving a particular time because water is very important we
are in a so-called water
water emergency in all the world so for me the first thing that we have to do
is to scan
the earth and to fetch to to find to try and find other uh let's say
opportunity to extract not salty
water because it's very important so you'll be using this technology for that
as well we for now not
but i'm thinking to do it well it makes sense i mean if you can detect this it
should be able to detect
that as well and that would be a if in it's and then also if it's accurate that
will also help
garner support yes for this this exploration of whatever is under there yeah
and uh so we we are
receiving a lot of calls from companies that want to work with me and so let's
see what what we can do
and so this is all companies that have reached out after you release the
results underneath the pyramids
the most of them are calling me recently right so yes they've heard about it
recently yes well that's
capitalism right they say oh we can make money off of this yeah yeah well that's
good that gets people
interested it gets people involved in this and so we have also a philanthropic
philanthropic project we are
opening a foundation in malta we we are realizing it in two weeks and we we
will have a foundation in malta
and with the with that foundation we can operate also philanthropically for the
the gisa plateau and
other uh and other uh ancient megalitics that are located in all the world we
have a plan to scan
everything really what is next uh maybe we can see uh pumapunku or other sites
yeah yeah gobekli tape
gobekli tape yes yeah have you looked at the labyrinths underneath uh the the
ones that were described by
herodotus that ben van kirkwick has been talking about and his uncharted x
channel where there is a huge
atrium with a 40 meter metallic object that's the shape of a tic tac yes they
asked me to do it and
we will do it yeah you have to do that i i tell you joe the processing is very
nice but requests a lot of
calculations so it is time consuming so at the moment at the moment
we have some computers that are dedicated on jitza and other projects that we
are doing and in the
future maybe we will have other uh other machines that can work to to do other
things but we will
do it we we need time but we will do it now are you absolutely convinced that
this data is accurate or
have any of the criticisms of any of the people that are trying to debunk it
have has any of that resonated
with you and rang true is there any validity to any of the criticisms radar is
only precise the nice
thing that has radar is the precision from and especially from space because
space it is a very silent
environment you don't have noise something the the platform is very stable so
when you transmit
electromagnetic waves they return back with absolutely precious with absolute
precision
and it's recreated over and over again in these 200 plus scans that you've done
with various different
satellites correct not just one so that one could have errors yeah so you're
convinced i'm convinced 100
because wow i did the i invented the method yes i know but i tell you that i am
happy if somebody can
replicate things so if other research groups can replicate the things that i'm
showing i am happy
well you got there first yeah so no matter what i mean you if this is correct
you will go down in history
as one of the most important figures in archaeology because if you are you're
welcome but i mean it's
just fact if what you're saying is true and we're just recently discovering
this in the 21st century
i mean that's absolutely mind-bending thank you for this uh yes i i am happy
for uh for being in this uh but
not all not only me other people helping me to to do my work yes oh sure of
course a lot of people and
in principle my family yeah um this these structures and this this whole area
if this turns out to be
something that you don't find just at the ghiza plateau but around other parts
of egypt i mean there's
always been a lot of speculation as to whether or not a civilization existed in
sub-saharan africa
an advanced civilization that is in the areas that now sand you could probably
do that same sort
of research there as well yes yes i i agree with this and we will do it yes wow
what is life like for you now having this exposed and now you know having this
on the internet and
all the speculation and all this excitement what has that been like for you yes
um i am not very used
on all this exposure in on the internet
it is something that i have to get used of this yes
my my life is simple joe i i live in italy and
but uh um now i repeat this it is time to go ahead and go on the jiza plateau
and
in person i i wish to see if the effective structure how they are and the
purpose of the of all the plateau
what it is and is there plans to do that in person to do some sort of an excavation
yes um i wrote a project proposal which is research and also not research a
proposal and
is now um we we are our intention is to submit this proposal at the egyptian
authorities
if you want i can explain you this proposal please we are involving university
of ferrara
a principal scientist professoressa vaccaro italian professor in she is a geologist
and other and other governmental italian governmental
institutions that are very clever to do scans in situ scans so we are not using
my my technique we use the
state-of-the-art technique that it is recognized by science today and
our intention is to
concentrate the efforts on those shots that i that i showed you that we we have
seen because we are
we are not 90 99 convinced that that or sure that those those are natural
entrance into the
the uh the structures that are below that are located below because we have the
vertical structures and
you saw on the on the tomographies you have also horizontal connections so
there's corridors yes you
have and how large are these corridors uh about uh they they are tall about
three meters tall okay so about
nine feet tall yes yes that can that will uh using these corridors you uh will
arrive directly inside the
the the the coils that we are that we are uh visualizing uh that we we
visualize uh before so there's
passages and shafts and these uh enormous ways that they can go back and forth
in between these various
structures the thing that we have to do now is to clean those shafts we have to
do uh cleaning because
now they are uh sand yeah yeah and um is there a timeline and when you would
like to start cleaning these
shafts and start doing this kind of yes it depends when we submit the project
the project is ready
i know uh people that are living in uh in um in egypt that when we are ready we
can submit the project
proposal then we are we are at uh when the government we if if approve the
project we can start now i would
imagine that something like this something at this scale would require enormous
funding yeah and how do
you uh how do you hope to acquire that we we can make we can say people that
this this work is not for me
but it's for humans and so people we we we ask people to help us in uh getting
money to perform the work
we have to ask people have you reached out to any like jeff bezos elon musk
type people that have tons
of money that might be interested in doing something like this i don't know
them joe you don't know them no
but maybe uh it's a big ask yes it's a big ass you know asking it's a big a few
billion dollars to go
dig around under the pyramids i mean how much money do you think it costs to to
do this to the we we
we have to do we we did an estimation of uh the the an estimation about i don't
know for maybe maybe uh
belonging for 20 million or more 20 million dollars and this is just to clean
the shaft and go underneath
and because why so much money because we are our intention is to work safety i
don't want that
people has to go down the shaft and work we will we want to use drones robots
right to make something
automatically and so go down by using machines not humans yeah that makes sense
yeah yeah and that way
you can get accurate real-time video and yes yes with cameras and uh it will be
something i am thinking
about this the most maybe it is one of the most ancient megalithic structure
that we are dealing now
can be recovered by the most modern technology that we have now today and so we
can recover modern and
ancient together so you've been giving this presentation now yes and even going
around what
has that been like what has the reception of it been like yes a moderate
positive reception moderate
positive so people that are like if this is true it's amazing but you have to
show me more
yes yes yes i tell you in this project proposal i am out you're out yes it is
better than
that university of ferrara that is one of the most important university in italy
can stay there and
manage all the work is better right and i'm out right you show them what's
there you show them the
technology now yes good luck thank you thank you thank you and good luck so
tell me about this
presentation so how do you set this up i know you you brought some of the
slides of this presentation
yeah tell me how you set this up how you how you set it up so how you explain
it to these when you have
these you know semi-sceptical scientists that are sitting down there and you're
going to tell them i'm
about to rewrite human history how do you set this up oh they were they were
listening me very well and
they asking me things about how they everyone um the first thing that they ask
me is how it works and
that's good and so i slowly explain explain them how it works and how i arrived
to to to to make this
presentation so to have our results and uh and so and so on and they they they
someone of them is
skeptical someone a bit less skeptical which is what you want yes yes you want
healthy debate about this
kind of a healthy debate yes it's the only way you find out what the truth is
yes only only having a
you a healthy debate we can find what is the truth i i don't want to polarize
people
for me you know it's not my it's not my job no well not only that it's not you're
just discovering
something yes this is something that's there and for people to just put on a
skeptical lens and just
not look at it at all it's crazy yes like if you're skeptical we should
probably explore it and if
you're wrong okay now we know it's not true but if it is true it's a crime to
not investigate do not
investigate it's a crime to not investigate yes and i tell you the the solution
to we we don't we don't
have to dig holes uh ruin the what is now preserved no we we have to only clean
enough we have to only
clean and we have to use what there is made it's for us because these shafts
yeah they are for us
they are calling us where our um our rights are to clean them and see what
there is and go down and
explore them personally well it just seems like these shafts exist at alone and
they are at that
depth that you describe and they are the dimensions you describe it really does
lend credence to what
you're saying yeah because it seems like there's a purpose for those things and
if they do go down
to the area where all these structures are it seems like there's something
there in my personal opinion
they were built purposely and if you see the their access points probably yes
the other response
they are they were made probably to um you know joe uh when you go deeper below
the earth the temperature
rises a lot so there is a certain uh uh ratio uh of uh um where the temperature
rises uh proportional to
the depth that you are going so the shafts are made purposely to take the the
their the function is to
transport air light and so cool what there is inside well that makes sense yeah
and also access um show
me some of the other slides and other things that are in your presentation so
you can get a more
comprehensive understanding of what we're looking at
okay okay yes this is uh the zed this is ah mario pinkerley mario pinkerley was
a researcher
that he died the the on 2011 12 and he was studying the zed which is the multi-layer
monument let's call
it the monument but it's not a monument because it it has a certain and very
precise function that is
inside the pyramid this is the and this is the uh outlined image in the lower
left-hand corner yeah
that's the tomography that we that we have retrieved look it's very precise
right it looks exactly like
what it looks like in the actual image what is that thing what is the what do
you think the function of
that thing is yes uh the function is uh um is is this uh uh it is uh you you
see on the top of the
structure there is something like a cap yes like a cap uh that cap uh is has a
precise function to
uh attract attract the the vibration okay it's an antenna in the in the
vibration domain okay antenna
in the vibration domain yes okay attract the the energy in terms of uh
mechanical vibration and propagates
them below there are other slides please okay here i did a simulation now i'm
sorry because i don't have
the video because this is a pdf but i i uh reproduced the function of the z on
the computer okay okay and look
on the right side on the right side we have all the vibrations that interacts
one to each other to each
layer look and you can see that each layer look how strange it is each layer on
the top of each layer it
is a scattered look okay on the top of the each layer and the bottom is very
flat it's flat so what is
that it is something related to filter it is a it is a low pass filter and make
made by stones very crazy
this that's a low pass filter a low pass filter what exactly is a low pass
filter yes a low pass filter
is a filter that allow us that that allows the transmission only of certain
frequencies and reject
other frequencies so it is a stabilizer frequency stabilizer and low pass or a
certain low value of frequency
okay right and so this aligns with christopher dunn's theory yeah that there
was something underneath the
the pyramid that there was a chamber that was they were using to generate
vibration yes and that that
vibration would go through the entire structure yes and look joe the last layer
look transmits directly
inside the the the so-called uh sarcophagus that's not the sarcophagus there
and so what do you think
that's what they call a sarcophagus this immense granite box let's call it yes
the granite box yes and the
inside the granite box uh was done to contain a man a body and that vibration
look collapses at the center
of the granite box where the man was lying down so do you think there was
actually a man inside that so a
person would lay in that box yes and what would happen to them i don't know
whoa so
i don't know that's a simulation that i did about it's precise so you don't
think it's for a dead body
you think it's for a live body yes and so a person would lay there and have
some probably incredibly
profound experience with whatever probably yes what do you think it was like if
you just wanted to get
crazy and put on the tinfoil hat and speculate what do you think it was i mean
what would happen to a
person if they encountered this kind of vibration these kind of frequencies in
this resonating granite box
i can say something that is not scientific recognizing yeah that's what i want
yeah
maybe keep it up there
what do you think maybe that person was ready to have an out-of-the-body
experience
induced oh like a gateway
a gateway to the spirit world
look at on the top you have a the antenna the antenna is recepting all the
vibrations that transmits
all the signal below directly inside the granite box it's very exciting and
what do you think was
generating these vibrations ah yes the natural the not the wind the natural
vibration vibration of the earth
and also some uh let's say uh flowing the the the flowing of water also the
flowing of water
so generated by flowing water and then there was also shafts that were this is
part of christopher
dunn's theory these shafts that reached the outside of space that he thinks
were attracting space radiation
can be yeah that's another possibility yes another possibility he also had a a
theory that perhaps
the lower chamber that's below the the pyramid itself that there was some
mechanical device
inside of there that was generating vibration
for this uh can be yes can be something we don't boom boom through the entire
structure and this is
creating this vibration that's the antenna you've got this filter through it
and then someone is
laying in the sarcophagus tripping balls yes is that whoa that's crazy that's
crazy
do you imagine if this entire structure was just built so that someone could
have
some sort of a bizarre out of body experience or psychedelic gateway experience
i think that's
true i think it's psychedelic disney world i do i seriously i had that epiphany
like two months ago
really okay i don't want to explain it but please do uh i was looking at a
picture of me
when i was a kid at a like a cedar point which is like a roller coaster place i
was just thinking
how much effort we put in to making kids or young adults have a wild experience
yeah that is only
uh in reference i you only understand it if you live there if you found disney
world now in a
thousand years you'd be like what the fuck they worship mice the fuck are you
talking this is insane
look at all the pictures of mice everywhere that's so true but you'd see that
giant castle and there's
rides everywhere and you you would have no idea what the experience of that
ride would have been like
or the teacups right it's nonsense it's fun for kids but also would make them
feel
it amazing but also adding what this vibration stuff does and sound and music
and all these other
things you can put them all together and be like you could feel like a god yeah
if lightning hit the
thing you'd be like what the i don't know i just had that wild idea one day it's
an interesting idea
because if you think people have always been fascinated by achieving novel
experiences and
what more novel experience than a two million three hundred thousand stone
structure that's perfectly
aligned to true north south east and west aligns to the stars of orion's belt
yes you lie inside a stone
box and the vibrations hit you and you're in that box
naturally you go out what who knows what it does to the body and the mind
because we know that the
mind is capable of producing endogenous psychedelic chemicals we also know that
people have a very
profound reaction to frequencies that's why sound hits us so hard and we love
music and and just vibration
itself and this sound weapon that they just recently used in venezuela
supposedly to knock out all maduro's
but what what could this thing have been yes
i am relative sure that the the principal actor of everything can be water
vibrations so sound sound
but we we are dealing now to the third a third thing so the purpose the exact
purpose of this
maybe it can it can be also one more than one purposes no more than one scopus
of the pyramids
the pyramids intended to be now we i am hundred percent convinced that that the
pyramids
can be considered the tip of the iceberg of something of something very
huge that is composed by things that are below the earth and the pyramids that
are up at the surface of
the earth so what do you think the reason for the design of the pyramid in that
specific geometric shape
yes probably because they have to resonate with the universe it's in in in some
they they have to resonate with with the universe you know the the universe the
universe
is constituted by things the matter the particles the light yes but everything
is uh uh regulated by some
constants there are the constants so the velocity the speed of the light see
three uh three times ten to
the eight kilometers per second then you have so the loss of the light so you
have the electric constants
the magnetic constants that are uh that arranges very well the law of the
universe so it is important that
something that has to be well related to the place that we live to the universe
has to contain
very precisely the dimensions of uh recasting the constants of the universe and
that's what you think the pyramids
did personally yes personally yes how old do you think they are yes so yes on
the sorry that the italian
the star so when i start speaking italian
the thing that uh we can say for certainly is that the pyramids are older than
the dates that are written on the
uh typical uh typical history books so to see something that to say something
very precisely we have to go back
in time uh into the zap tepi so there's more than 36 uh thousands years ago
something happened to the earth so
uh the zap tepi began and in a time belonging the zap tepi and the great flood
were built the pyramid the pyramids
so like what i'm sending you something jamie that's very interesting yes um so
do you have an idea do you
do you have an estimation like what what is your personal belief yes uh we can't
say exactly the year
so zep tepi let's let's explain to people what that is since we're i sometimes
forget
zep tepi is the thing that i did describe to zahi hoas and he dismissed it but
there's this i've never
heard of this it's an ancient king's list yeah and it's a list of pharaohs that
goes back past 30 000
years yes and um it's very inconvenient for modern academics and so they like
to portray it as myth
and then when it gets to the age of historically accurate pharaohs that we know
of khufu and kafre
then they allow those hieroglyphs yes but when you get all the way back to the
30 000 years ago they
like to say that that's just mythology yes it's true but it is a matter of fact
the zep tepi we have uh we have also uh other ancient megalithics that are very
old recognized
very old so yes we have to deal with that well gobekli tepi was a big problem
is a big problem
more than 11 000 years old for sure yeah yeah and as we saw here it is this is
something that um
i actually just talked to graham hancock about this is stella is a limestone
inscription discovered in 1858
near the great pyramid complex of giza and the text describes a pharaoh khufu
who ruled from 2589 to
2566 bc visiting the site and ordering restorations to existing structures
including a temple associated
with the goddess isis the stella refers to isis as the mistress of the pyramid
a title that has raised
questions about whether parts of the giza plateau were already considered
sacred before khufu's reign and
although most egyptologists date the stella itself to the 26th dynasty more
than 2000 years after khufu
its wording continues to draw attention because it betrays the pharaoh as a
restore rather than the
original builder whether inscription provides older traditional reflects later
religious interpretation
remains debated but if this is accurate this describes khufu as restoring the
pyramids yeah now this
exists throughout history um the temple of tenochtitlan uh where the aztecs had
when when they described it
they described it as the place where the gods were born yeah and they found it
like people think the
aztecs made the pyramids they did not no they there was some sort of a previous
civilization that lived in
mexico prior to the people that call themselves the aztecs or what we call the
aztecs yes and they built so there's a
long-standing history of people repurposing existing structures and claiming
them as their own and if
this stella is accurate and this was also in fingerprints of the gods graham
hancock's book
um so i sent us to graham and his reaction was pretty interesting what he said
to me was that um there's a strong
suggestion the khufu pyramid might have been one of the three subsidiary
structures alongside the great
pyramids eastern flank and all that looked like damaging evidence against the
orthodox chronology of
ancient egypt but also challenged the consensus view that the giza pyramids had
been built as tombs
and only as tombs uh however sig uh uh rather than investigating the statements
uh from the stella
the egypt child ifs uh they chose to devalue them in his quotes they chose to
say oh that's just
inconvenient but if it's if they are describing it that way that that seems
like this is a long-standing
tradition of people finding things that exist there's clearly each ancient egypt
itself dynastic egypt is
a very complex society very complex and very advanced society even if they didn't
build that stuff but
it seems like they're saying the restorer yes yes i i agree with you joe um i
tell you there are
some facts that we have to observe because i am used to observe before i i have
i say something i have to
to observe so i am not uh i say an expert of pyramids because i am an engineer
i work on satellites i am a
space engineer i'm i'm not a an egyptologist like that but i can observe
in inside the pyramids they found a lot of salt
that were attached on the walls so they find the salt why there is why there
was salt there first
second the shafts that we are dealing now if we want to clean the shafts why
there is debris
why they are tupped no so if the great flood is a an historical uh parameter
recognized so let's say
11 11 000 12 000 years ago let's say something like that i don't remember
precisely the zap tepi
which is not recognized is 36 000 in the past so between the zap tepi and the
great flood
we can locate the pyramids and the sphinx wow so the great flood we're looking
at 11 000 plus years ago
zap tepi you're looking at 30 000 yes plus years ago yes we can say i'm an
engineer i am i i put myself
in the center between 36 000 and 11 000 see if you can find some images of salt
in the in the great pyramids
because it is quite fascinating and if there was some sort of a massive rise of
sea
and massive flooding which is depicted in every single ancient religion yes
from epic of gilgamesh to the
hopi talk about it i mean it's like almost all cultures have a story obviously
noah and the ark
and the flood in the bible but this salt uh joe two months ago i went for the
first time to visit the
pyramids and i found salt on the wall there is still salt and you think that
salt is probably because i
tasted it is really water of the sea wow yes i forgot to to to bring it to you
not just that but there's
so much salt that there's still salt there 11 000 years later which is really
extraordinary and so you
think that that salt is because the entire area was flooded yes and that's the
reason why the shafts were
flooded and filled with debris yes right topped off with debris because
everything just flooded into
there and then when the sea receded yes you're so many years later you left
with salt everywhere yeah
and that's why uh the reason that uh i don't want that people goes to work
inside the shaft because
are dangerous can collapse the the the the debris can collapse because you can
have bubble of of of
air and so it's dangerous right right robots has to go right well it makes more
sense robots are safer
and that's also so everything is connected the great flood the zap tepi and the
pyramids wow if it turns out
and i'm convinced with that yeah i am convinced that maybe 18 that i i go in
the center 18 18 000 or
something like that 20 between 18 000 and 20 000. well what's crazy is i mean
that pushes back
that ancient civilization by 14 000 years yeah which is at least 14 000 years i
mean john anthony west
thought maybe 30 000 plus years did the construction of the sphinx that's what
he thought and when robert shock from
boston university the geologist that started doing work on the the the pyramid
and then excuse me the
um the sphinx yeah and the water erosion he's like this is vertical yes it's
vertical fissures that come
from thousands of years of rainfall and the last time there was like
significant rainfall in the nile valley
like that was 9 000 years ago yeah so you're dealing with thousands of years
before that
you're dealing with the rain to achieve that kind of erosion yes it is
necessary now when that's why
this research and this activity that hope we will do it is very important yeah
because this it is able to
rewrite everything it i mean really rewrite everything imagine if you could get
something from down in those
shafts in those corridors something that you could date yeah and you get a date
back of 26 000 bc you go what
you know i mean this is it's not outside of the realm of possibility that's
what's so crazy about this
it just really does seem like we are getting more and more evidence that things
are far older than
conventional wisdom the conventional the conventional narrative that's taught
in schools yes i agree
i agree because as i told you before this is time this is the time to to see
effective what we
which is the exact date of construction who made them and how they made it but
how could we figure out
how they made it that's the crazy thing right because we don't even understand
the technology they used to
cut them yeah we don't know what they had and that's the other thing if you're
dealing with something
that's 20 000 plus years old 15 000 years old what's going to be left all the
metals gone everything is
eroded the earth is reclaimed most things really the thing that you have left
is stone which is
pretty crazy yeah and uh if we see uh the the rooms all the structures that are
currently inside let's
say the the chaos pyramid which i i like it a lot the grand gallery is very
nice fascinating
they have a precision incredible precision all those big huge stones that com
that is composing the
grand gallery is very exciting i like it a lot did you have uh any sort of fascination
about the pyramids
before this or joe i remember when i was young very young i used to i had a it
how you say i had a
personal computer very old one and i was always playing all always on a on
something that
and that was the pyramids that they were all the pyramids and that in that
meantime i i realized that
that i liked the pyramids and so i i was very young so the personal beauty were
just researching the
pyramids is that what it was yes yes just looking at pictures and images yes
yes yeah
on the pyramid so you always were fascinated by it but did you have an
understanding or even uh any
questions about the timeline of civilization before this no never so it only
happened within the last few
years yes uh i began uh i began uh working uh so uh being interested on pyramids
uh starting from 2018.
so it was right after you started doing this research yes and you started
saying okay what is this yeah
and so when you start to to research on something that that is uh our history
our past our origins because
we our origins are there so we have to fetch we have to find what there is
there because it is important that
uh we it is important to research our origin because in this meantime humanity
does not know we don't know
who we are we don't know our origins we don't know anything of of who we are
and the most of the answers
can be found in the um studying the pyramids well it certainly seems to be the
greatest accomplishment that
ancient humans had ever created yes and if these humans were far more ancient
than we currently believe
that is really really interesting yeah and it is for me a very it it is
something that i have it always
in my mind only to know how they did how they cut the stones how they have
transported the stones and how i
don't know how how how everything it's all how how yes what what gave them the
idea like were there any
previous pyramids because it's weird because the older you go the more complex
the structures are
and the newer ones are kind of shitty yeah so okay so we went from that we
showed this antenna and it goes
into the supposed sarcophagus and these vibrations what other things do you
show in your presentation that are
interesting i i showed principally all the structures that are that are under
the the kafri pyramid and also
under each pyramids and also i described the method
on how going
below below without drilling anything and so i showed them i showed them that
there are the entrances are
there on our eyes everyone can see those uh those shafts and so why we we are
not exploring them why they
are so dirty why they are so without uh any kind of work of renew maintenance
yeah i don't know why
well it seems like there's limited resources first of all yes yes and also it
seems like egypt
an entire economy is based on tourism an immense amount of tourism because it's
so fantastic there's
people from all over the world make a pilgrimage i i also i also i also i also
find a method to
combine so not stopping the the tourism no so it is possible to combine the
work and also the tourism
so we can delimitate the area inside the area we work and outside the area
safety all the people can
visit the pyramids and not only that i think it will enhance tourism yeah
because if this speculation
proves to be few fruitful and you start looking under there and you find that
there there is evidence
to all this it's just going to make more people want to go oh yes i i agree
with you but you imagine joe
we will find the structures that are underneath no and maybe we can try to
build a huge lift that carry
people downstairs in safety always or maybe not below for a lot but at a
certain at a certain depth so they
can also travel along the horizontal corridors that are present and so they go
up from the shafts and
they they go they they they go up from uh to the kafri pyramid and they go away
from so the entrance
here and they and they go intercepting the pyramids that would be amazing yes
yeah i mean it would just be
much more tourism yes yeah and also the all eyes would be on egypt yes i mean
it would probably be a huge
boost to their economy it would probably be a huge boost to archaeology yes
because more young people
would get fascinated by it and want to study it yeah and and imagine imagine
also this what can we find
below down there what can what can we find this is a question that i am asking
because if we watch the
the the the the slide concerning the shaft that i want to that i want to clean
there are things
inside it it i am showing that that that there are things located inside the
chamber look there is
something what what is that what are you seeing when you we're talking about
the shaft where it goes all
the way down to the bottom and there's the chamber is that what you mean that
one yes right there so
that structure that is at the bottom what's that i don't know what's that right
it's very huge
very huge and it's at the bottom of the shaft yeah look the horizontal
corridors
and so there's more horizontal car corridors during the when you traverse down
into the shaft then you
you there's you intercept right other corridors and how large are those
corridors by about
three meters tall so there's three so there's these three meter tall shafts
that go to the side
these corridors that go to the side yes along the way and then also down at the
very bottom yes
and you're convinced of this this is all accurate data right um and no one's
ever sent a camera down
there or anything those are human human man-made structure like a a ring on
another ring look it is
it is very clear right if you observe the structure those are man-made right
and they go deep very deep
and you can see the rubbish that is on the bottom all the debris and that
debris you think was
a lot of it because a lot of it because of the flood i am 100 sure of this yeah
so the pyramids
or the gisa plateau it seems to stop the functionality the the working we don't
know which kind of work
were used to do but stopped because of the great flood so we can go back in
time in 12 000 years ago
and when people's the people that don't know if you're hearing this like what
great flood that's
just not that's just myth there's a thing called the younger drives impact
theory and the younger drives
impact theory group that's been studying this they now know that there was
impacts to the earth
that are allowed around the 11 800 year mark and then i believe again in the 10
000 year range randall
carlson is probably the best guy to talk to about that but that they find high
levels of iridium which
is very common in space and very rare on earth but there's a layer of it they
also find these nano diamonds
that they also discovered during the first trinity explosion when they detonated
the atomic bomb
they find these microscopic glass particles that are created by the intense
explosion interacting with the
sand so what is it called trinitite trite somebody's called one of those
nuclear glass what is that
called tritonite that's what it's called some uh some something related to vitrification
yes okay so this
exists all over the world and it exists all over the world when they do a core
sample at the same depth
yeah and so this is a very strong scientific indicator of evidence that we've
been hit yes yeah but another
scientific indicator is the debris why there is that debris right why so much
so much right why so much
if we if we do carotage drilling of that debris inside the shaft i don't know
how how how deep we can go
so why there is all the all that debris there we don't know right but which
makes sense if there is a
great flood that fills the pyramid with salt water yes that it probably washed
all that sand into that
gigantic vertical shaft yeah completely makes sense yeah and i tell you joe we
if we do the chemical
chemical a chemical exploration of that debris we can find also a certain
density of salt
because we're mixed in the past by salty water and debris and soils also you
could get dirt from the
very bottom yeah and it gets some sort of organic material and carbon date that
and maybe you can
get an understanding of like maybe when stuff was washed down to the bottom of
that shaft very
interesting yes it's possible it can be possible crazy if they did that and it
lines up directly with
the younger giants impact theory i mean that would be incredible evidence
either way just what it is
that we know that there's immense shafts we know that they go many many meters
deep into the earth
and we know that there's these horizontal shafts along the way these corridors
along the way like
all of it is just nuts
we they saw i was looking at the osiris shaft here um this shaft okay just near
these other ones uh when
they found it there was water down there they had to get out and the water is
not only cold ice cold it
says it's clean enough to be drinking water whoa and i don't know that it doesn't
it sounded like it
refills itself oh so there's a spring down there well that is also the problem
with the labyrinth
so the labyrinth that they have where there's this enormous atrium and this 40
meter long metallic
object that apparently is underneath there and this is through ground penetrating
radar to discover this
i don't think they know what that metal is either i think it's an unknown metal
but they built a dam
there i believe in the 1960s and to help the farmers and unfortunately that
flooded that whole area
so because they changed the direction of the water and built this dam the water
table rose yes
and that entire labyrinth is now filled with water yeah but through ground
penetrating radar
they've been able to get this accurate assessment of the dimensions of it and
then they go back
to the descriptions of herodotus who described it see if you can pull that up
uh herodotus described it as greater than the giza plateau itself so these labyrinths
these corridors
these atriums these huge passageways underneath the the great pyramid area more
complex and more
spectacular than the pyramids themselves yes my god my god like what was this
civilization these people
living in africa however long ago were so much more advanced than perhaps
anybody that's ever existed
including us yes just in a different way including us just in a different way
just to remark the fact
joe that there is difference between the water table which which of course is
composed by drinkable water
and the water that they found compounding the the osiris shaft and the water
that transported all the debris
but that water was a salty water because of the great flood so it was water of
the sea composing the sea
which makes sense when you see the salt that's all over the pyramids this is
herodotus's quote i've seen
it myself and indeed words cannot describe it though the pyramids beggar
description and each one of them
is a match for many great monuments built by greeks this maze surpasses even
the pyramids
that is crazy that's crazy that he said that and if have you ever seen any of
the artistic renditions
of what it looks like no but see if you can find some of that because we did it
if anybody's interested
in this i can't recommend enough uncharted x it's ben van kirkwijk's this is
what apparently is
underneath this area which is just staggering wow how nice this is all
underground and so i think we
the next uh the next uh the next uh site that we can study can be this yeah
yeah and our water and
if you could find out what that 40 meter long metallic object is that's that's
when things get weird
that's when things get real weird because you find a spaceship down there
then things get really fun i mean we're egyptian space travelers why not i mean
if they could build
that why not space who knows what they could do they're lying in a gigantic
stone box tripping balls
they have this huge pyramid this the structures go how long a kilometer the
entire thing into the earth
1.2 kilometers into the earth from the base of the pyramid down 1.2 kilometers
wow wow wow this has
changed i mean from 2018 to now from you researching this and does this change
your entire perspective of
human history and and just human beings in general in my personal opinion yes
because uh before this
was a problem accepting how the pyramids were made all those stones but if we
can if we if we are adding
also the structures that are underneath i don't know what happens right more
impossible than before right
more impossible than i mean if you'd imagine with modern technology trying to
recreate something like
that you're talking about an immense project that would cost hundreds of
billions of dollars yes
if not more and the engineering involved you're an engineer the engineering
involved in doing
something like that like how how they can cut the granite so precisely it's
impossible it's impossible
also today is impossible so they had some sort of a technology that is far more
advanced than we
have they just went in a different direction we went in the direction of
internal combustion engines and electronics
and they probably went in some completely different direction yeah yes because
the modern science
science started from a point and then as you you are you are saying right we we
followed a direction
which is the direction of light because most of the our inventions our yes
internal combustion engines and
uh and other stuff but principally we use light because we can see it we can
see it we can see light okay we use light but
other other existence other people that that was uh living in the past maybe
use it other things that we don't know
maybe sound maybe sound maybe sound what seems like it if this is generating
sound and vibration if your speculation is
correct yes that they were obsessed with vibration and sound yes they were
obsessed in vibrations and sound
because all the structures that i that i watched inside the inside the pyramids
they are like something that they are like something that generates sound or
they maintain clean the sound
it resonates sound it echoes it has a very specific echo to it that zed like
that is is
magnificent the zed is a is perfect it's a perfect device made by stones it's
very nice
and just how how and where did they get the understanding to construct
something like this
and this this is what screws up our idea of a linear timeline of human
progression civilization to go from
caveman to modern 2026 human being we like to think that it was just oh we
figured this out then we
figured the wheel out and then it was agriculture now here we are today with
cars but more likely there was
some peaks and valleys we rose up to a very high level probably during egypt
and it was shattered down
and it took probably a long time before civilization rebuilt itself again yes
joe and then we are we
are speaking about modern living but modern living has to be sustainable right
i don't think that our
modern living is so sustainable no no i mean even our population isn't
sustainable no we're in population to
collapse yeah in many countries in the world south korea japan even there's
arguments about america
itself that we're in population collapse yeah and we're also chaotic we also
have a very bizarre
distribution of information that's filled with nonsense and lies and propaganda
yeah it's lies and
propaganda yes we have the government that's constantly trying to censor people
and control speech and
limit your ability to express yourself and complain about things so they can
continue to dominate
resources you have a we have a weird society today but it's also a society
because of this access to
information where you can discuss and explore things in a way that has never
happened before
and that is that's the most exciting thing about our time yeah there's so much
room for discussion i i want
to if if i can um to explain you something that is maybe related to philosophy
or or to other things
uh we have an example of how uh modern humans are a bit strange because we we
are not made it it is like
that we are not made to research uh to or to find the uh harmonics the harmonics
in our living
and so uh i just want to make an example the uh do you remember in the 80s when
the uh cold fusion
right yes yeah so yeah maybe we we we are speaking about flashman and pons that
made for the first
time they they they had a glass of water and inside they made this a mini
nuclear reaction reactor
inside they had some results that were very very poor results i know but was a
base to build something
stronger they put away though that that experiment so no they debunked that
that experiment it was not
good it is not good because it is not possible and the example of the cold
fusion is how we are
because cold cold fusion was devoted to find the energy using resonance
resonance why how how it works
called the fusion we have two atoms of uh uh of hydrogen we start uh um we
start to put together putting
together these two atoms but while we put together these two atoms there are
the atomic forces that
tends to no i don't want to stay with the other other so but then there is a
limit that the atoms fuse
together and it transform it is they are transformed in helium plus energy
because of of mass the mass difference
and so you can do energy by fusion this is fusion not called the fusion so you
can have a fusion by forcing
together the atoms that they don't want to stay together so the force force
together and this that is hot
yes that is hot fusion cold fusion you convince the two atoms to stay together
naturally okay so today
what method do they use to convince these atoms to stay together naturally yes
you you have to find
a third material a third material that convince the two atoms to stay together
like you say i have a couple
you have a couple a girl and a man they don't they don't want to talk one to
each other if you put
that a third person uh between them at the center of them and she and maybe a
third person convince
the man and the girl to speak together and they we speak together okay so the
third material which is
palladium they use it palladium palladium has the a physical property to make
speak together the two
atoms and without force them they naturally transform into helium and they
generate energy because the helium
has a mass lower than the two atoms with mass difference you will you will
generate energy
and doing this at scale is really the holy grail of modern science yes this has
always been the quest
yes so we have two paradigma convincing something or obtaining the results
using the force and so the the street
that you were speaking before science had this street we want to have things by
using force not convincing
right that's where we are yes nuclear power yes nuclear energy yes because
i tell you today also hot nuclear fusion does not exist because it is very
difficult to to make a huge
reactor that use the tokamaks or something related to laser that uses that that
forces together the atoms
to is something not natural right cold fusion was natural and so the pyramids
are something related to
vibrations to harmonic resonance to something like that that it is the the
right creation that was the past
they were the right creation yes they were they were doing it the correct way
yes instead of doing it
against nature they were doing it in harmony with in harmony with the nature
and in the universe and that's
why all the dimensions are related to the constants of the universe the
universe is like a book that is
open we have to just observe it and it's not difficult it's very simple to read
the universe
okay show me more show me more of this presentation what else do you have in
here when you go from
from the the cap with the sound resonating into the supposed sarcophagus yes
yes we can go to that slide
this stuff is awesome this is my favorite subject by far of all subjects
ancient history and
particularly ancient egypt is my favorite subject okay we stop to because it's
so undeniably interesting
if we can go a slide up here look here we are dealing with something that
happened in 2020
2022 after this uh after our our paper was published because these results are
on our first paper
look joe that slide there that that the lower left slide yes yes
you depict chambers that were previously not known yeah that's the big void
right the big void that's
the big void and then there is the chevron connecting with the corridor the
base of the grand gallery that
corridor was discovered six months later by zakiya was wow they made the paper
but uh the i i depicted six
months before so you let them know it was there and then that's the corridor
that i found it
that's the corridor yeah i don't want to say that i found it but well but you
found it i'll say it you
found it so your technology showed something that turned out to be true and is
now established yes
and again how crazy is it they're just finding new chambers in the pyramids in
the 21st century
pretty spectacular yes that they're just finding this now
and just yesterday i was to examine it again that i don't have it i don't have
a slides here i'm i'm
sorry but there are the results of the scam pyramid project the scam pyramid is
very good i it is a they
are it is a very nice project project group and they discovered the the so-called
big void but there is a
problem because they say the big void can be something parallel to the grand
gallery so not steady but
inclined like incline right examinating the results
i was observing something maybe i say maybe i can't say that i am right of this
maybe they are they are they are confusing an inclined new chamber by the top
of the they are distinguishing
the top of the grand gallery and the bottom of the grand gallery like that i
observed the results but
in my personal opinion the big void is not inclined but it is located where
there is that red
blob there that's the grand gallery yes there and also up yes that's the grand
gallery it is not
inclined it is is flat like that is how you say is um steady not inclined right
um that's the grand
gallery why do they think it's at an incline because we are not seeing we are
not my technique does not
detect is not detecting is not detecting and inclined uh chamber on the top of
the grand gallery why do they
think there's an incline yes because they found two targets parallel but i am
feeling to tell them
to be careful because maybe they are confusing the roof of the grand gallery
and the and the lower part of the
grand gallery i see okay they have to be careful interesting but it's just also
more evidence that
your techniques are very effective and accurate because you did describe
describe it yes you have we can see
the the the the results that i uh that i um obtained on the grand sasso we can
see the grand sasso and the
laboratory of grand sasso this that is the perfect um uh benchmark that
describes the effective effectiveness of
my technique all right show me some more what else you got here show me another
slide
uh below i think ah okay okay we go to gubbio this is a town uh where i live i
am
this is saxo hamann yes this is saxo hamann and uh here i am showing you the
next
uh work that we can do once the giza scanning activity are finished so this is
in peru correct
yes and so you want to scan this as well because uh you know we've had quite a
few people on describe
this look joe the stones are like mush marshmallows yes they are like marshmallows
how they did those those
right things there enormous so them 100 tons carved from stones that who knows
how they put them into
position but they carved them in this very strange way to absorb the impact of
earthquakes right yes the
idea of this technology is that the reason why they're like a puzzle piece is
because it would be
much less likely to move in an intense earthquake okay go back to tepe a gubbio
just a few words on
this city that is a small town that is located in perugia where i live
look um the the italian the authority of this of the city of the town asked me
to perform
scanning around that colosseum that is many colosseum that is located in gubbio
because probably there is
a huge roman city not so old but it is a roman city that compounds that arena
that is there
so a lost roman city that's around that area yes yes and i say hello to the
people of gubbio
so is this the next thing that you're going to do one of the next one of the
next one of the next but
socks a woman yes yes yeah ah and there is also core caracora also very
interesting the the slide 51
please yes yes caracora yes this this is located in russia and there are
huge structures inside there and uh this is in russia yes yes and nobody knows
the the purpose of the of
those things there nobody is crazy more than crazy and how big are these things
can you keep that up
yes keep this up just for a couple seconds i just like how how big are we what
are we looking at here
yes we have nine plus 16 plus seven plus ten plus 36 and they go below so maybe
two or three hundred
meters below two or three hundred meters and there's this immense rectangle at
the bottom of these
corridors yeah and and it goes more more deeply and so they nobody knows what
that is and if you look at
that image it's clearly a man-made structure it's man-made absolutely yes i
mean look there's stones
they're they're placed yeah that is nuts that's crazy and they don't there's no
historical timeline no
understanding of who did it no wow so it's likely that there's structures like
this that exist that are
undiscovered probably all over the world yeah yes the the nice thing of this is
is this satellites are global
globally so one satellite flies from let's say south pole north pole south
south pole like that right
right because of the angular momentum conservation the let's say the wheel of
the orbit remains steady
and the earth rotates inside this circle the circle remains steady right like
that so at least once a day
one satellite can observe potentially any part of the globe in one day so you
can program snapshots where
you want in all the earth in one day and how many satellites are up there ah
there are the satellites that
contains on board of them a payload composed by a synthetic aperture radar
there are a lot there are
different satellites companies that provides these services so today it is
possible to
decide to observe something okay i call the company and they put case for me an
image and this structure
in russia how was this initially discovered was it discovered by its manually
by explorer manually yes and
how did they get the dimensions of it are people able to go all the way down
into it that man
because there is only a man that went down because it's very narrow but once
you go down
everything becomes very huge and large measure it manually all those depths but
more there
than then you can't go because maybe it's too narrow i don't know he's okay did
you find any images of
that jamie online i'm looking into something someone was sort of saying that's
in a different spot and
now i just try to track it down these are also weirdly only getting talked
about over the last month
so i am digging down a different path when did they discover this i don't
remember 2011 2011. that's crazy
the fact that they don't know who made it or why but it is clearly man-made yes
you're seeing these
stones perfectly cut stacked on top of each other yes and you have the same uh
uh okay it says it's currently known from fringe social media and youtube style
sources rather than
former archaeological publications because it hasn't been explored correct yeah
that's 15 years ago
yeah pretty pretty nuts but i mean who's doing that kind of work in russia
especially now deep underground
shaft lined with large parallel megalithic stone blocks with walls described as
straight and polished
suggest suggest artificial construction rather than a natural cave or fissure
and this is all from
our sponsor perplexity that we run all our questions through and it's always
been very accurate said to
lie somewhere between in the russian caucus often simply uh described simply as
north caucus or caucus
mountains uh with videos and posts presenting it as evidence of unknown or very
ancient civilization with
advanced stone working techniques crazy they don't know who made this there's
no accessible peer-reviewed
archaeological articles official russian heritage records or academic monographs
to describe the site
formerly named named the karahora is that am i saying that right karahora karahora
shaft which strongly
suggests the claim has not been vetted by mainstream archaeology but you know
look it exists whether it's vetted
or not it doesn't matter like what who made it what is it nuts that's really
crazy i had no idea that
that existed and it's just it makes you think like if they just found that in
2011 and manually right
and maybe doing a a wide a wide research by satellites maybe starting from
there or other sites between that
that carahora maybe we would find other things right it could be a part of an
enormous complex yes who
knows but just the fact that that exists and that a human made that or humans
made that that's crazy
the whole thing is crazy because it really does like anybody that boy the
modern archaeologists and
people that are the gatekeepers of archaeological information are fighting an
uphill battle because like
you can't at a certain point in time you have to give up and go i don't know
and that's an i don't know
moment like yes this and i don't know what the hell is that what is that show
me some more images jamie
because it's really kooky of the shaft yeah just that what that looks like that's
i'm trying to it's
i'm digging down a hole in it there's a post here on yes there are not so this
is a like they're
misinterpreting something this is jay anderson who's been on the podcast
recently this is the
tweet i found uh how about some fat chain carahora um in the cub cabardino balkyria
republic north
caucus the russian federation is a different place from karakoto so karahora
and karako so there's more
than one place i'm trying to i'm just googling stuff it's it all comes from
this one video it
seems like because everyone's pointing to this video and this video is compiled
of all sorts of
stuff it's got three million views from 2024 so i can see how it goes when it
went viral you know
but uh it starts off with just showing that and i don't you know so this is
probably the entry to
this area maybe but again no one knows they can't tell you where that is like
on a map right got it look
how precisely how precise they are so this might be who knows yeah it could be
real could be nonsense
well the the images of that guy standing there looking outside of that opening
that you showed
earlier in your presentation is just bananas but whatever this is that's where
i don't know where
it's from you know it could be right do they have any video of once they got
all the way down through
so here okay let's keep going see what it looks like and i don't even know
yeah so someone else has done narration on it it's coming from a different
channel i can see a tag on
there it's coming from a different show god look at the right angles though
this is nuts yes i mean
it's clearly looks like something man made look how precisely yeah it's crazy
that's man made it's
absolutely man made there are also a comparison what with the with the
dimensions of the dimensions wow
what the hell is that that means what the hell is that it's crazy and they
found it in 2011 yeah i
mean imagine how much more of this stuff i mean that's one of the things about
gobekli tepe they've
only observed five percent of it i mean five percent of it they've uncovered
and and through ground
penetrating radar they know of multiple sites nearby yes but ground penetrated
radar has a problem what is
the problem the problem of ground penetrated radar is uh the uh penetration
depth is few meters enough
so it's a problem there is a problem of penetration depth but in that depth you
are very precise so you
have to take into account that more than 15 20 meters below you can't go right
but using that method they
have found all these structures it's a good method for in situ exploration yes
and so you can find nice
things with using ground penetrating radar if you want to to perform a wide
area rough let's say rough
um scanning you you can use my method so you can you can find huge things on
wide area for the details
it's okay ground penetrating radar um is there anything else you want to show
us that's in your
presentation that you think okay show me some more stuff yes it's a pleasure
yeah please it's a pleasure
for me too thank you thank you for being here okay thank you for inviting uh
carahora is that how you say
cara cora cora cora cara cora so this is carcora so that image go back one more
time to carcora that so
that's a legitimate image that's not ai generated this is this is these guys
standing in clearly what
looks like megalithic stone stacked on top of each other clearly man-made yes
came and made because look
you see yes you see the blocks yeah you see the blocks it's fucking nuts no but
okay we can we can
understand that it's possible maybe it's possible to build something like that
sure it's possible
the purpose right the purpose and when and who and what civilization right like
who did that that's
that is insane what even is that what even is that yeah i mean there's ropes
that go across and that's
what you're seeing and you've seen this where's his arm and where's the rope go
to well he's got his arm
posted on the side of that wall and that rope goes across and you're just not
seeing it because of the
darkness is that like he's leaning against something there too uh it looks like
he's got his hand on
that wall that opening there's an opening in that shaft um so what else is next
in this in this
presentation okay yeah which way should i go okay we go upstairs let's see go
back it happen that we have
gubbio and then here we have the osiris shafts which we use this shaft the osiris
shaft like a benchmark
because we we are able to understand the effectiveness of our technique that is
able to retrieve the shape of
the osiris shaft why the sorry stuff because it's a benchmark that we know uh
exactly how it is
established and and and so it accurately depicts the osiris shaft yes um what
else okay let's go there okay
43 43 43 yes this is uh the sun got the tunnel and here i made an exploration
on or using my technique
in order to retrieve the shape of the railway tunnel that it is uh
approximately two kilometers below
the the the mountain and the slide 44 we can understand that in this case the
alps the the mountain
resonates like a crystal so you are seeing you are watching the mountain in the
vibrational domain so it's
like a photograph a photo uh pick picked up or um uh synthesized by a sound and
in that case uh we can see
this slide 45 and 46 we are detecting the tunnel the the tunnel yes that's the
railway tunnel that is
located below the earth wow
so this is just more proof of the accuracy of the technique yes yes
this is some really stunning stuff yes that i can explain your other
experiments we can go starting
from uh as a slide 36 okay slide 36 this is a dam and it's very it is a very
important
dam it is a the mosul dam that is located in iraq
is very huge is 300 meters tall as a height of 300 meters and three kilometers
from one part to the
other part of the dam so it contains a a a huge amount of water from the uh
upper side there is the
water that contains and below there there is the the river that uh the water
comes out from the reservoir
that is on top why the mosul dam the mosul dam has a problem
it has been built on a a bed of jess so how you say jesson jesson jesson yes
and jesson is
while is in contact of water it melts so the mosul dam is dangerous because it
has a serious problem of
stabilization stabilization in this case there are a lot of that's called
satellites
methods and synthetic virtual radar methods that are devoted to perform the so-called
infrastructure
monitoring and in this case the mosul dam is crucial to be uh observed by radar
in this case i wanted to
see the this slide 37 please uh here uh inside the dam look there is a tunnel
the red line the tunnel
and here we have uh we have uh we have uh we have uh people that are working uh
inside the tunnel and the
the task was my technique is with my technique is possible to detect the tunnel
we go in slide 38
okay and we see on the uh right top there is the tunnel just to explain you
where you see red the
the vibration energy is high so it's red when you see blue the vibration has
energy is low
okay it's low and inside the tunnel because you have the air you don't have
vibration so it's low and so
you see the tunnel okay and so we were also able to detect uh slide 39 also the
principal facility that
are uh located inside the dam which are the turbines the turbines the turbines
right and uh and other stuff and
all the mechanical the mechanical uh uh machines this is the all the mechanical
machines that are located
inside all right so it's showing the accurate shape of the turbines yeah as
well so this is just more
proof that this technique works yes and so we go uh slide 31 on slide 31 okay
here this is the grand sasso
how nice is this uh is for me very nice because i i born here this is the
particle collider yeah inside the
the the the mountain in the core of the mountain there is the the laboratory
here and uh and the the the task
was can i uh detect the facility that this inside the mountain and so uh we we
are now uh in the slide 32
and 33 okay and we can see okay the facility that is enfn is the instituto nazionale
di fisica nucleare
you see the shape of it in there yeah national institute of of nuclear physics
the italian national
institute of nuclear physics and that's more than a kilometer deep into the
mountain 1.4 and yes and slide 30 35
we we we can see we can see the the the laboratory wow yeah this is the
laboratory that's crazy that's crazy
so using your techniques you get an accurate depiction of the dimensions of
this laboratory yeah wow and
that's that that uh that triangle is called the interferometer so when you have
two lasers that
uh and that goes together and they they end it uh you can study the the pattern
the interference pattern that coherent
signals are generating you can use an interferometer and that's the interferometer
wow
this is all amazing stuff it's amazing and i i feel like we're at the beginning
of a very fascinating journey yeah you know
and i think that your work and this research and all the controversy is good
all the controversy around
it is just going to make more people talk about it more people discuss it and
more people understand
and it just seems to me that the more they research it the more the mystery
opens up and that it is
without a doubt one of the most astounding discoveries in human history yes so
thank you joel congratulations
on discovering it and thank you so much for all your hard work because i mean
uh like i said is to me
one of the most fascinating subjects and you know what graham always speaks of
is that we are a species
with amnesia yes and and i agree with this with that and you know it's one of
the reasons why so many
people are mad at him it's because he was right he was right in the 1990s you
know and and as time
goes on he is being proven more and more to be correct and things just seem to
keep getting older yes
it's amazing thank you so much for being here i really really appreciate your
time and i appreciate your
work thank you for inviting my pleasure let's do it again when more stuff comes
out okay i'm here if
anybody wants to find more about this where would you uh send them to is there
a website that would
give them more information if they want to do a deep dive yes um i have a
personal website which is
harmonicsar.com and i publish say that again harmonicsar.com yes harmonicsar it's
meant it's synthetic
aperture radar is sar so harmonicsar.com yes philippo beyond the i mean you're
the man thank you sir
thank you i really appreciate you being here thank you all right bye everybody