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Jay Anderson is the host and creator of the YouTube program and podcast Project Unity, which focuses on UFO and UAP phenomenon, human origins, ancient mysteries, and other topics. www.youtube.com/@ProjectUnity http://www.patreon.com/ProjectUnity
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day!
We're live. What's happening, man?
What's up, bro?
Very nice to meet you.
Hey, it's great to meet you as well, Joe.
I really, really appreciate you taking me out here.
Oh, my pleasure. I've enjoyed your content for quite a while now.
Well, I'd be interested to know when was it that you first started getting
interested in what I was doing?
What kind of subject, what topic?
I wish I remembered.
Because I know you followed me for a couple of years.
It was before the Cathra Pyramid scans and stuff.
You know I'm into the UFO subject and things like that, but I wasn't sure.
Well, it's all the silly shit that I love.
Silly and serious at the same time.
Ancient civilizations, mysteries, and obviously aliens.
Oh, yeah. And it's all cotangent. It all connects together.
I think so, too.
We actually played a clip.
We did a podcast yesterday with Dr. Michael Masters.
Love him. Yeah.
He was very fun, very smart guy, very interesting guy.
But we played, we were talking about, he has a theory that aliens are human
beings in the future.
Yeah.
It's a very strange theory.
Based on like kind of the anthropological view and the physiology and how that
might have happened over time.
And there's also, what was the model?
There's the many worlds theory.
And then what was his model?
There's a different one.
That the concept is you could, if you lived in the future, you could go back in
time and it would not affect the future.
Because everything that's supposed to happen is already happening.
Right.
And you were supposed to go back anyway.
Interesting.
Okay.
But anyway, during that time, I asked him about the tridactyl mummies and then
we played your clip.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, we played the clip that showed all the scans.
We talked about Jesse Michaels and how he went down to Peru and actually
touched those things and was there with them and how surreal it was.
Yeah.
I was in Peru recently not to go and see the Nazca mummies.
I wish I could have seen them.
I was out there to look at all the megalithic studies and the excavations going
on at Saxo-Oman, which is an incredible megalithic site in Cusco.
But the Nazca mummies, I mean, what's interesting about it is that obviously
you're going to have a big knee-jerk reaction to something that's so incredibly
profound as the idea of these being non-human intelligences that are mummified.
But when you actually look at the CT scans and the X-rays, you start to realize
that this can't be faked.
You can't fake bone cartilage.
You can't fake capillaries and heart valves and a fetus inside the body.
It's so nuts.
Dude, it's crazy.
Some of them have eggs inside them.
Some of them have fetuses.
It looks like the eggs are big.
Big eggs inside them.
And these are small beings.
These ones are meant to be like the little kind of like 60 centimeter beings
with like three eggs inside them.
And then you've got the big one, Montserrat, which has an actual fetus, like a
baby, not in an egg.
So it's like if these are all real, it does feel like there was some sort of
genetic experimentation going on where they're just churning out prototypes of
some form.
Do you think that's it?
Or do you think that there used to be another type of, for lack of a better
word, primate?
Well, the thing is-
Is that a primate?
I mean, what is that?
I mean, some of them, they're leaning more towards like reptilian, anthropod
kind of lineage.
So like the bigger ones seem to be more mammalian, whereas the smaller ones
with the eggs are sharing reptilian traits.
So it's like there are all these different variations with these different
bodies, different kind of like physiological characteristics, which is why it's
like, okay, well, is this one lineage or is this just someone kind of like tweaking?
All right, well, that one failed.
That one's not working.
This one grew wings.
All right, fuck that one off.
Like, you know, it's just weird.
So your thought is that these are the products of experiments?
I mean, if you look at Jesse, when Jesse Michaels did his documentary, one
thing he mentioned, I can't remember where he got this from, but he was saying
that the original translation of the area of Nazca from the original language
was like the area of experiments and genetic cloning.
It was like a really strange definition for the actual area that kind of says
experimentation and genetic modification.
I can't remember the exact quote, but this was something that he brought up in
the documentary.
I was like, huh?
Okay.
Then you have all of these various different examples.
Can I ask you?
Yeah.
Who said that?
Who called it that?
So Jesse, when Jesse Michaels put out his documentary, there was just a scene
in it.
Now, my memory is failing me a little bit, but there's a scene in it where he
was talking about the Nazca region.
And he said that the original, in the original language, this translates
roughly to the area of experimentation and genetics of some form.
But how do they know what those terms were?
I agree.
I agree.
But it's just a weird little caveat that he brought up in the documentary.
He'd probably be rolling his eyes at me now.
Like, dude, I actually fucking know exactly what this is.
You're making me look like an idiot.
You're butchering it.
Yeah, I'm butchering it.
I do that all the time.
No, for sure.
But just the fact that these things exist, and they exist in an area of the
world which is full of mystery.
I mean, the megalithic sites around there.
Like I said, that's what I was out there for, to see these different megalithic
sites.
And the Nazca Lines.
And, you know, Sacsayhuaman.
And in the Sacred Valley, you just have, like, incredibly complex architecture.
You know, rose-caught granite, diorite, andesite, these incredibly hard stones,
like in Egypt.
But honestly, I find Peru even more baffling than Egypt with the architecture
because of just the level of interlocking precision that you see.
And the fact that it looks like they've softened the stone.
In Sacsayhuaman, it looks like marshmallows, like, all squished together.
And it just invokes a lot of different theories from people about how they were
actually manipulating the stone.
Yeah, because it doesn't seem like it was just carved.
No.
Right?
Like, it does seem like there's some areas where chunks have been removed from,
you know, the quarries.
But when they're all pieced together, when you see those weird, like, curvatures
to it, it's like, what were you guys doing?
And perfect precision.
Perfect precision.
And, like, sometimes you'll see, like, these corners where just a tiny bit of
stone is jutting up and then the other two are connecting into it.
It's like, this is such a ridiculous level of complexity for an apparent 600-year-ago
Bronze Age, bronze chisels and stone hammer tool wielding civilization.
And also in Peru is what I find very interesting is you've got a brilliant
visual contrast to use when you look at what is the Inca work, which is the
rough cut stone, the mortar brick using walls.
Like, this is all present in Peru next to the megalithic sites, and the
mainstream will attribute all of this to the Inca of 600 years ago.
But you'll see that the stone walls that are rough cut and use cement and
mortar, they're still standing.
They're pretty pristine.
They're looking good.
Next to megalithic, multi-ton slabs of granite that are broken to pieces and
strewn across the hillside.
So it just looks like there was a lot of desolation, potentially geological
trauma in this area, and then these people, the Inca, discovered these sites,
built around them.
You can see in, like, the cracks and corners of all these megaliths that there's,
like, stone walls that they've tried to kind of, you know, reinforce.
It's very visually obvious, actually, when you go out to these places.
Isn't it fascinating that people aren't willing to consider the possibility
that this is from an older time?
Like, it's heresy.
It's just such a knee-jerk reaction, man.
Like, I think, at the end of the day, we're still using models from, like, 1800s
explorers, right?
And it's like, what the fuck?
Like, we've moved forward.
There's a lot of contradicting evidence and data in a lot of these countries,
whether it be, you know, Gobekli Tepe in Turkey or the potential infrastructure
below the Giza Plateau.
And then the incredible megaliths in Peru, like Saxe-Waman.
It just feels like what we're doing is rehashing the same status quo, orthodoxy,
and it's coming up against an ever-piling-higher mountain of evidence.
And one of the cool things that I got to do out in Peru was go to Saxe-Waman,
where they've got current archaeological digs going on through the Chincana
Project, which is an archaeological team out there, and they're doing digs.
And they have actually discovered below, like, 10 meters down into the ground,
precision carved blocks of stone that are coming out of the earth.
And this is where, in this region, in Cusco, the Andean legends are that there
is a vast labyrinth below ground connecting Cusco to Saxe-Waman, connecting Saxe-Waman
to the Sacred Valley, all spreading out across the Andean mountain range.
And this is like an old legend.
This is what the shamans and the, you know, sacred keepers of knowledge would
say in Peru.
We're finding evidence for it.
We're literally going underground now and seeing that there are actually really
precise elements of infrastructure below Saxe-Waman, and they're just beginning
to uncover this.
I was one of the first to go down there and actually see these blocks myself,
and it's just like, this is happening now.
You know, we're actually getting to a place where we can start to validate some
of these forgotten myths and folklores, or if you want to call them conspiracies,
or pseudoscience from the archaeological side of things.
It's being evidence now.
That's mad.
So, these tunnels and, like, what is exactly the structure that's supposed to
be down there, and what have they discovered?
So, it's supposed to be called the Chinkana, like the labyrinth, and there's a
few different Chinkana entrances around the region.
How big is it supposed to be?
Vast, multiple kilometers.
It's stretching from down Saxe-Waman down into Cusco and then off into the Andean
mountain range to the Sacred Valley.
So, it's very similar to some of the stuff they found in Egypt.
That's bananas.
Yes, and then what's interesting is you have the same hallmarks and signatures
that you see in Egypt.
So, you see the stone nubs, you know, these little protrusions that you get.
I'm addicted to those, man, because they are all over the world.
Do you have any theories?
I mean, I've listened to a lot of theories.
I certainly think that the...
We should show an image of it for people that don't know what we're talking
about.
Yeah, like stone nubs.
There's all of these incredible, massive stones that have been somehow or
another moved from a quarry, sometimes that were hundreds of miles away.
They all have these weird nubs on them.
And no one knows what they are.
And there's a bunch of theories like maybe they helped them move.
Yeah, there we go.
These things.
You see them all over the place.
And no one quite knows what those are.
You see them in India.
You see them in Egypt.
You see them in Peru.
This is in Ollantan Tambo in the Sacred Valley.
This is one of the things that's so infuriating about people that are arrogant
about gatekeeping information and being the only ones that are allowed to
distribute the truth.
Right.
Air quotes.
Right.
We're missing so much.
Yeah.
There's no way you really know.
Huge gaps of knowledge.
We're missing so much.
And more time goes on.
As Graham Hancock always says, shit just keeps getting older.
And now they just push back the use of fire by 300,000 plus years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, exactly.
It just keeps going.
It's not going forward.
No.
It's going backwards.
And anatomically modern humans, I think, have gone much further back now in
time.
They're looking at 800,000 years.
Plus.
Plus.
Plus.
Plus.
Possibly even a million.
Right.
This is what weirds me about these creatures.
Like, human beings have gotten to the point multiple times where we were almost
extinct.
The Toba volcano, I think we got down to, God, was it 7,000 people?
Is that like the low estimate?
Damn, really?
Yeah.
It's a crazy story.
Like, super volcanoes are unbelievably devastating to just all life, you know,
because it just changes
the temperature of the earth, the entire surface, whatever doesn't get blasted
out of the ground
by the actual volcano itself.
All the other stuff on the other side of the world gets fucked.
Yeah.
Like, it just ruins everything.
We got down to like a few thousand people.
And then there was another time where one of these guys who came, God, I forget
who that
was as well.
We were talking about the reality of glaciation.
Right.
And about what happens during ice ages and how devastating it can be.
And they were saying that we had gotten at least multiple times in the history
of the earth
to the point where it was incapable of sustaining life.
Wow.
That within a few, you know, like whatever parts per million of carbon dioxide
are necessary
to support plant life, we literally got to the part where there was almost
impossible to
support life.
And then it rebounded.
Right.
And everything's fine.
So there's so much we don't know.
Absolutely, man.
This is so crazy to try to pretend you know that people 600 years ago make this.
Because we know people 600 years ago lived there.
We have a lot of archaeological evidence and we have, but you have weird
structures on top
of obviously much more intricate and complex structures.
Yeah.
And again, they share the same signatures as places like in Egypt and India.
But if you bring this up, they think you're a kook.
Yeah, they do.
And it's just a knee-jerk reaction.
It's again, it's adherence to a status quo.
And, you know, you get channeled through a very kind of fine wall in academia.
And I think that it can be a real detriment, actually, to opening up your ideas
and being
a little bit more expansive with what could be possible.
Because you do get put into a very restrictive format in the traditional
academic sense.
And then obviously you have, you know, the pressures of funding and things like
this.
And you're not going to get the funding if you're talking about this crazy shit.
And it's just like a self-fulfilling censoring, you know.
But with the rise of alternative media, we're changing the game a bit.
Because you can actually put a voice out there.
You can put an idea out there.
It's not completely stonewalled by the academic circle.
They can't actually prevent people from discussing these ideas in an open media
format like this.
Right.
And if you put a video like you did on X or on YouTube, people can, like the
video that
you did on the aliens, whatever they are.
Whatever they are.
People can see the CT scans.
Exactly.
You see the CT scans and you automatically go, wait a minute, this is 1,200
years old?
Yeah.
You're telling me someone faked this 1,200 years ago?
Like, I don't think they could fake that now.
No, I don't think they could.
Hollywood special effects, guys.
But then the composition of the actual, the bones and everything.
Like I said, like cartilage and muscle tissue.
How would you fake that?
Circling back, I texted Jesse to ask him for some insight on what you asked for.
Yeah, yeah.
So what he sent me was a screenshot of a book where he got it from.
Thanks for this, Jamie.
I had to translate.
Translation here shows...
Science of insemination.
Yeah.
Jumana, I guess, was the local word.
So it's a local word for what that area is called.
Right, right, right.
And this is a book he found from that area, I think.
And it says, yeah, Laboratory of Insemination and Cloning.
What?
That's what I'm saying, dude.
And look at all these terms.
They use.
Yuma is to semen.
Yuma is to inseminate.
Yuma is to inseminate.
Yuma is the science of insemination.
Yuma is wise inseminator.
Yuma is scion or clone.
This is what I'm saying, bro.
Yuma is to clone.
Yuma is the science of cloning.
And Yuma is wise cloner.
So basically...
What the fuck, man?
You know, it's there.
It's interesting.
And then obviously...
Go back to that, please, again.
You get alongside this kind of description.
You have these bodies.
You have this...
Bro, this is mad.
Yeah.
Dude, this was like one little 10-second clip in his documentary.
And it just made me perk up like, wait a minute, what?
The name of the place is like a laboratory of insemination and cloning.
And you're getting a smorgasbord of different beings coming out of this area,
right?
What?
Jesse does add...
I think he's speculating somewhat on the etymology.
Not definitive.
Oh, of course.
Right, right, right, right.
But yeah, I mean, it's there.
That's why Jesse's better at this than me.
I'm like, it's clear.
Oh, it's done.
It's settled.
It's there.
Wow, that is so nuts.
But it is interesting.
Yeah, it is interesting.
And I think it does, you know, leads into what was happening on this planet a
long time ago.
It does.
And it leads...
Like, my point was when I was getting to the whole supervolcano thing.
Yeah, yeah.
What if something happened that wiped that species out?
Right, right.
Like, clearly, there's no more Neanderthals, right?
Whatever happened, whether it was us or disease or whatever killed them off,
they don't exist anymore.
We only have evidence that people interbred with them.
What is that thing?
Is that thing maybe one of us, like, another kind of human?
Like, look, another kind of primate.
You know, look how different we are than rhesus monkeys, right?
Like, we're all primates.
We're so fucking different.
Why would we assume that the ones that we found so far, including, like, what
did they find?
Denisovans, like, 15 years ago or something like that?
Right, right, right.
And then Homo juliens, what was that one?
That was just a few years ago?
Like, they keep finding these new versions of people.
Not new, obviously.
No.
But long extinct versions of people.
I think it's possible.
And I also think that there's a, you know, potential.
What if a particular sub-root species of hominy decided to opt in for subterranean
living?
Right.
And they escaped a lot of the surface world traumas and were actually able to
kind of maintain their society?
I mean, look at all of the weird evidence we have for these vast underground
cities.
Darren Cooley.
Darren Cooley would love to go there.
My God.
Jimmy Corsetti just released a video on it.
It's bananas.
Could you imagine renovating your house and fucking finding that?
Renovating your house and finding there's room for 20,000 people under your
house.
Would you say anything?
I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't have to think about where I live.
It depends on where I live.
You live in a place where the government can just come and take your house.
Yeah, I'd be worried about that.
I would say it if I was in America.
But if it was in America, what if I really liked my house and now my house is
connected
to this underground?
World Heritage Site.
Would the fucking archaeologists want to come?
I'm like, get out of my yard.
Exactly.
Exactly.
But like, yeah, I think about this and I think about all of these different.
Oh, it moved.
Good, good.
No, I'm happy to hear that.
I'll fuck it around.
Happy to hear that.
But it's interesting.
And then you have, you know, the strange stories like from the Hopi tribe about
the ant
people that came during a time of cataclysm and they brought them underground
and then they
brought them back up.
And there's a few like that.
There was a really interesting podcast.
It was years ago.
I remember seeing this where they'd brought these two Amazonian shamans on the
podcast,
like full headdress.
They spoke their own tribal language.
They needed an interpreter in the room.
And the guy asked them what they thought about aliens and they didn't
understand the question,
didn't know what he meant by alien.
He was like thumbing through this book and he put up a picture of a gray and
the tribes
and went, oh, that's Makanwabu.
That's Makanwabu.
And they had a whole story about how this was a human that became an ant that
lives underground
and it can appear in the divine light.
But you should be very careful with this being because it will take your soul
underground and
you need a very good shaman to bring your soul back.
And they were taking it real seriously.
Like, yeah, yeah, dude.
So it's like these tribal cultures, they know, man.
They fucking know.
Well, I think they have, I think there's an ancient memory in people.
I think it's one of the reasons why these post-apocalypse movies are so popular.
There's a lot of post-apocalypse movies where, you know, like people, they
figure out how
to make houses out of wood again and they're surviving and they make little encampments
and
they fight off the intruders from the outside.
You know, real like Walking Dead type shit with no zombies.
I think there's a memory in us of the surviving humans.
I think there's a memory.
And I think we probably have been through some terrible moments in the Earth's
history where
there was an enormous disaster and we are the ancestors of the survivors.
And I don't think there was a lot of survivors.
No.
In fact, I heard you talking about that the other day where you were saying
about like
the, and it's something I agree with, the necessity for post-cataclysm, post-apocalypse,
the strong men would inherit the Earth.
Monsters would inherit the Earth.
Monsters would inherit the Earth, right?
And so if you, if we really were a hyper-advanced Atlantean type civilization
prior to this, maybe
even more matriarchal than patriarchal, it would make sense that when things
fall apart,
obviously, and now you need to survive in the wild, the strong men and the, you
know, savage
guys would inherit the Earth because they would be the ones who would be able
to, you know, push
through that type of environment and then if, if that is the case and you fast
forward to
where we are now, look at our incredibly competitive, hyper kind of aggressive
culture that we have,
it would make sense that this was formed through the seeds of trauma and
through the seeds of
having to fight for survival and, you know, recovering what was lost.
Yes.
Which also makes sense why the past, the further you go back, the more barbaric
these people
are.
You're dealing and you're like, well, it took a while for people to learn,
maybe, but
maybe, you know, you're, you're dealing with people that had to, they, they
probably had
to cannibalize.
I mean, they probably had to eat everything they could.
There was only a few thousand of them left.
If we really got hit by asteroids, like if the Younger Dryas is correct, it
makes sense
that it would take like 5,000 years for civilization to emerge again.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because that seems to be what happened.
It seems to be like you have literally the scraggliest survivors and then
eventually the
earth gets back to normal.
But even then it takes thousands of years for people to just have a semblance
of what we're
experiencing today in terms of civilization.
And that's why prehistory is so fascinating and the, the Neolithic and the
stone age, because,
okay, so this is a time when we were just basic hunter gatherers.
We had no, you know, intelligence, no language, no real understanding of the
world, according
to the mainstream.
But this is where you have multi-ton, geodetically aligned solar equinox and,
and what's the lunar
alignment?
Um, I've completely just blanked just cause I'm a little bit nervous of being
on here, but, um, like, you know, like equinox alignment and like alignments to
the, the sun and the moon, uh, mathematically, geodetically
aligned to what look like telluric currents, like electromagnetic flows beneath
the ground.
A lot of these stone hinges and dolmens are placed on places where you have
strong electromagnetic concentrations and just the, the, the, the package of,
um, mathematics and engineering and stone crafting and the knowledge of the sun
and the stars and your placement on the planet to create things like, you know,
stonehenge and these other areas in the world.
How, how, how can you do that if you're just hunter gatherers coming out of,
you know, animalistic behavior, it doesn't make any sense.
And then we kind of regress as we go further into history and, you know, the,
the, the stonework becomes less impressive, the things become less accurate.
And I find that very interesting.
How is it at the beginnings of our history, some of the most impressive
structures exist?
Exactly.
It doesn't make any sense.
No.
Just Egypt alone with the conventional timeline of 2,500 BC for the Great Pyramid
doesn't make any sense.
No, it doesn't.
I think that they most likely settled around those pyramids.
Most likely.
Most likely settled around them.
And, and, you know, the scans, if these can be validated fully and empirically
with digs and confirmation physically, then that changes everything.
It changes everything.
Everything.
And you're seeing a lot of people spaz out online.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
It's wonderful to watch.
It's been wonderful to watch because when people are under pressure, the real
character gets revealed.
Right, right, right.
And they're under a lot of pressure right now because those scans, that radio
tomography or whatever the fuck it is.
The static aperture radar, yeah.
It's super accurate with stuff that we know exists.
Yes.
That's what's a real problem for these people.
You want to believe it exists when it can map out all these chambers in the
pyramid.
You want to believe it exists when it can map out things that we know that
exist 50 feet underground.
You want to map, you're cool with that.
But one kilometer of subterranean, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
Also, multiple scans from multiple.
Like over 200.
Yes.
It's all the same message.
Yes.
They're getting the same message.
There's pillars, enormous pillars.
They have coils around them.
What?
Pillars with coils.
All of them have coils.
Yeah, dude.
And the whole structure is like almost two kilometers deep into the earth.
It's obscene.
It's obscene.
Like laterally as well, like two kilometers of infrastructure.
It's like the whole underground.
Help me out.
Exactly.
People with copper tools, help me out.
And that was my frustration when it first came out, because when it came out,
obviously I did some research into the people involved in the Kafra Pyramid
team.
I found Filippo Bionde.
I found his Harmonic SAR website where it has listed the things like the Mosul
Dam in Iraq and the Grand Sasso Laboratory in Italy, places that they'd
actually done scans prior to even the Great Pyramid, which was peer-reviewed.
Their 2020 scan of the Great Pyramid was a peer-reviewed paper.
And then you fast forward to now where they've got these ones and you have
people like, you know, Flint Dibble on Piers Morgan going, it's bullshit.
It's pseudoscience.
It's never been done before.
It's never been tested.
And it's like, it has been done.
It has been tested.
It's actually got a patent.
It's been peer-reviewed in a paper.
It's got military applications.
It's got military applications.
And Filippo Bionde, he works for the Italian government.
Like, he's not some idiot.
He's a very, very intelligent man.
And he can speak on the science of this, like, you know, articulately.
He works on top-secret projects for the Italian military.
I don't know if you caught, like, that little scene in Jesse's where he was
just like, he didn't even say a fucking word, man.
Can we not talk about that?
Jesse just looks at him and he's like, okay, we'll just figure that out.
That's when you know, man.
That's when you know.
But I mean, whatever this is, everyone should be fascinated.
You shouldn't be dismissing this if that's not even your field of expertise.
It just shows what kind of a fucking weirdo you are.
Like, what you should be doing is going, okay, how many scans do you have?
Yeah.
You have 200 scans of this?
Show me more.
Show me more.
Tell me what's going on.
We should probably figure out what that is.
Imagine if the pyramids didn't exist.
Or imagine if it's, like, you know the Sphinx at one point in time was mostly
covered with sand?
Yeah.
Let's just imagine some crazy scenario where the entire pyramid structure is
covered in sand and nobody knows it exists.
And then someone comes along and does a scan of the surface of the ground and
says, you're not going to fucking believe this.
But there's some shit under there.
Now, what if everybody goes, that's ridiculous, that's preposterous, and they
don't look.
Exactly.
And they don't look.
We never find the thing that we all agree exists because you can go there.
You can visit.
Right.
It's there, right?
If that didn't exist, you'd never fucking believe in a million years there's a
structure with 2,300,000 stones that's perfectly aligned to true north, south,
east, and west.
And you're dating it to somewhere around 4,500 years ago.
I mean, that sounds like some pseudoscience conspiracy talk to me, Joe.
Sounds like kookiness.
Right.
Why is it more kooky to say these people not only were this advanced, they were
even more advanced.
Way more.
They were down into the ground, two kilometers.
It might have been a power station.
Well, you know, Filippo thinks that.
He seems to think that the spirals might have actually been tied to hydrology
and using mechanical stress and the piezoelectric materials used in the Great
Pyramid and the plateau itself because what you have is a very interesting
coupling.
Between limestone and rose granite.
So limestone is a very good amplifier of acoustics and rose granite becomes
electrical, piezoelectric under mechanical stress.
And acoustics are a form of mechanical stress.
So there's certainly something to be said about the fact that the pyramids are
acoustically tuned.
They're incredible inside the acoustics.
And they've done lots of measurements and experiments on validating that, that
it almost seems to go up in a perfect scale up to the king's chamber.
And then the king's chamber itself, I believe, is focused around 110 to 115
hertz, which is interesting for neurological reasons in terms of influencing
the brain.
But on top of that, you have, again, this incredible coupling between limestone
and rose quartz granite, where under the right conditions, you absolutely could
get energetic responses from that.
But as well as this, you have the hydrological knowledge, which is really quite
impressive.
And when you look at places like the Osirian in Abydos, which is a kind of sunken
down temple, we call everything a temple or a sacred site, but we really don't
know, do we?
It could be functional sites, could be a power plant of some form, like you
said.
And the Osirian in Abydos, next to it, you have the Seti, the first temple,
which is incredible.
It's beautiful and full of calligraphy and hieroglyphics.
And then you have this bare, faceless, megalithic place called the Osirian,
which is sunken down into the ground, perpetually filled with water.
So they've tried to pump it out and it just fills back up again because it's
connected down into the water table.
And there's all these different shafts and hydrological kind of components in
this site that they don't understand the full function of.
And then you look at places like the Great Pyramid, where you go down to the
bottom of the Great Pyramid, you have like the kind of core.
And this whole area looks like it's been water eroded, as if it was flooded out
repeatedly and used as some sort of like a pump or some sort of like sequencing
area where you push water in and then let it out.
Push water in and let it out.
And so Filippo thinks that maybe these spirals bringing water up.
And if you're a thousand meters down, you're tapping into like ancient aquifers.
So you could be drawing up a really impressive amount of like ancient, ancient
water.
And I just wonder if, same with Peru, there's something incredibly important
about accessing this kind of water at the real depths of the earth.
And they seem to have a real interest in doing that.
So perhaps the pyramids are in some way like, I mean, if these spirals are real,
it's like a plug, isn't it?
It's like plugged into the earth, connected down into these aquifers.
Perhaps it was utilizing water as an energetic medium through the materials.
I would recommend to anybody to check out Christopher Dunn's work.
Oh, fantastic.
I had him on the podcast and he explained to us his theory.
He's an engineer.
Yeah.
And he started studying the structure of the pyramid.
And his conclusion was the entire thing was probably used to generate energy.
And it's like, what?
But when he breaks it down in terms of, I'll butcher the math if I even try,
but in terms of the dimensions, the way it's made.
And the fact that you could have something that was down in the basement that
was somehow or another creating a resonance.
Right, right, right.
That would have this effect, the shafts that go out straight out into space and
the fact that there's evidence that they would possibly use these shafts to
pour chemicals in and it would create gases.
Well, this is pretty nuts.
It is nuts.
But, you know, when I was, not the last time I was out in Egypt, but the time
before then, I was out there with a guy called Jeffrey Drum.
He's got a YouTube channel called The Land of Chem.
And he's all about this in terms of the chemical mass manufacturing that he
believes was going on in the pyramids and these other areas.
And we filmed all of the coverage of that, if anyone wants to go and see it on
my YouTube channel, taking us through areas in the Giza Plateau where you have
an incredible concentration on the Giza Plateau of iron veins.
And they all seem to be emanating from the pyramids.
So if you go around the pyramids, you'll see these iron vein networks that are
flowing out from the central point.
And these iron veins are heading down into what are called these boat pits.
When you say iron veins, so like...
Iron ore.
Iron ore.
Yeah, iron ore.
And it's on the surface.
It's deep in the ground.
I mean, there's some on the surface.
So you can actually see the snaking kind of veins of iron that's kind of rusted
out and oxidized.
And you can make it out, but surely it must be deeper as well.
But it seems to be stretching out from the pyramids down into these...
Like it's emanating from the pyramids?
So his theory is that they built the pyramids on top of these iron veins,
particularly because this place was getting lightning strikes frequently.
Oh, boy.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
I know.
It's a giant lightning rod.
Dude, I mean, these things are built in a way and they were gold capped at one
point.
Right.
And gold is a really good conductor.
Conductor of electricity.
That's why they're elected for electronics.
And the Giza Plateau is covered in these conductive iron vein networks, which
the pyramids do seem to be built upon.
Now, this is, you know, his personal theory.
But, you know, he's an American.
He's been living out in Cairo now for about six or seven years, I believe.
He just decided to up and move out there and dedicate his life to exploring
these places.
And so he took us across, you know, all of these amazing areas and showed us
things I'd never seen before in Egypt.
But his theory on the pyramids is similar to Christopher Dunn in terms of some
form of chemical manufacturing taking place.
And if you know, the original name for Egypt was Kemet.
That's why this guy's got his YouTube channel, The Land of Chem.
Kemet is the beginning of chemistry and alchemy.
So this is one of the root words where we then got chemistry and alchemy from.
So it is the land of chemistry and alchemy.
That's bananas.
There you go.
Is this?
Oh, this is one of his videos.
This is the iron ore?
So these are the, yeah, I believe he's probably highlighting the iron veins.
And these iron veins head out into what are called boat pits, which they
believed in the mainstream interpretation.
You're freaking me out with the land of Chem.
That is crazy.
But when did they name that?
I don't know when it was named that, but it was originally referenced as Kemet
in some of the ancient Greek.
And, you know, there's reference to it being called Kemet, K-H-E-M-E-T.
And it really means the same thing?
It's what people believe is a continuation of alchemy and chemistry because you
get so much alchemy from Egypt.
And obviously this is the place where you get Hermes, Trismegistus and Hermeticism
and the Philosopher's Stone kind of leaks out from these types of areas.
So I think that there is a lot to suggest.
Plus, we actually know in the mainstream that they were incredible chemists,
like regardless of exotic forms of chemistry that we know they were using acids
and natron baths and things like this.
Like the Egyptians knew what they were doing, even from the perspective that we
understand, regardless of getting a little bit deeper into it.
But yeah.
Right.
And you're talking about Egyptians like Cleopatra times.
Right.
So like we know that they were doing it.
Exactly.
Historically.
That's why it's so strange.
Like if this structure is proved to be real, if they start an excavation and
they have irrefutable proof, like without a doubt, there's some man-made
structures that are beyond description underneath the ground.
What happens now?
Like what does everybody do?
Like what do all these dorks that think that that's a tomb, what do you do?
What do you do at that point?
What do you do to all those dorks that think like it makes sense that they
built that?
It was a national pastime.
It's a national project.
Come on, bro.
Settle the fuck down.
I think at that point you have to give in a little bit.
Well, I think the pyramids uniquely stand as like an intelligence test because
they are so crazy.
When you have stones that are so large that are taken from quarries hundreds of
miles away.
Five hundred miles away.
A lot of these people supposedly didn't even have the wheel.
So what is this?
You don't think this is crazy?
Like this isn't like, oh, we know they use the wood from these trees to build
these homes.
This is bananas.
Whole other level.
This is something that would take us hundreds of years today to build.
And one of the things that is said so much, but I guess it's kind of shrugged
off just because it's said so much,
but it's actually a really important point to highlight.
There are no fucking hieroglyphs in the pyramids.
Not one.
There's not a single symbol, not a single element of what we would understand
to be dynastic Egypt.
And so like you have this incredible contradiction when you go to places like
the Valley of the Kings and the Valley of the Queens.
Gold and, you know, it's adorned in patterns.
You can't see a square inch of stone where there isn't something filled to venerate
these people.
And yet the pyramids are bare.
Bare.
And, you know, when you go inside them, you're going to go to Egypt, are you
going to go?
Eventually.
Yeah.
When you go inside them, it just feels mechanical.
It feels functional.
It's, you know, big portcullises of rose granite and these shafts going off
perfectly vertical off into the, you can't even see.
And there's nothing about it that feels spiritual or funerary at all.
At all.
Just looking at it, it looks to me like an advancement of what we are.
It's almost like indescribable, like a thousand year advancement of where we
are currently to build something like that.
It seems so nuts.
And there's obviously stuff that doesn't seem as nuts.
It's just beautiful and impressive.
Right.
You know, just like the Colosseum in Rome.
Exactly.
Or like, you know, the Cropolis.
You know, all those things are fascinating and incredible.
Craftsmanship and engineering and architecture.
Amazing.
Yeah.
But then there's Egypt and you go, shut the fuck up.
Like, what is that?
That's nuts.
Yeah.
And I resent the idea that we're like taking it away from them.
It's like, let's just be logical about this and actually assess the toolkit and
assess the capabilities and then look at the evidence of what we're seeing.
Also, we're not.
Huge errors.
Because it's people that lived in the same place.
So it's literally just the older versions of them.
Right.
Right.
It's not like you're saying, you know, Chinese people came and they did it all
and then they flew back.
Exactly.
No, that's not what anybody's saying.
We're just saying it's your more ancient ancestors.
Yeah.
It's your ancestors, not.
We're just, the timeline's off.
The timeline seems funky.
Clearly, there were some amazing things that the Egyptians did during the
accepted timeline.
I mean, they were a fascinating culture.
Amazing.
All through till the end.
Yeah.
Right.
But when you go really far back, whatever that is, is nuts.
And when you're saying that you know exactly when it was dated, when there's so
much evidence of just today, modern, doing these reconstructions and fixing and
all the feet of the Sphinx and they're covering it with new fucking rocks.
Mm-hmm.
Like, they've always been doing renovations.
Mm-hmm.
They always do.
So, all this stuff that you're saying, like, we've got a piece of wood from
inside one of the cracks.
Like, bitch, that doesn't mean anything.
Exactly.
You can't date those rocks.
No.
Unless you get under those motherfuckers to the bottom and take a chunk of
organic material from deep underneath that thing so you can know when the first
stones are placed.
You don't know.
You're guessing.
And I think that that's why we're coming to a point now where there's such
resistance from the mainstream when you see scans like this because they've
built themselves into a wall.
You basically have to admit, yeah, we're just fucking wrong.
You're also seeing them confronted by real evidence.
Yeah.
Like, real evidence.
And, like, just when someone takes you for a walk inside the king's chamber and
you look up at those stones, that somehow they got, like, how high are they in
the sky?
Mm-hmm.
How high are they in the ceiling?
How high are they?
Do you remember?
Oh, God.
No, I don't.
Sorry.
What, 80-ton stones?
Yeah.
80-ton in the king's chamber.
80-ton.
How tall is the ceiling inside the king's chamber in the Great Pyramid?
Because these things are perfectly placed in there.
Like, even if you drag those somehow or another across the mountains for 500
miles and got it to the pyramid, how the fuck did you get it up there?
Exactly.
How did you get them all to line up?
How many people got squished?
The chamber itself spans 10.5 meters long by 5.2 meters wide.
How tall is the ceiling?
19 feet.
Shut the fuck up.
But it's also near the top of the pyramid.
It's incredibly high up in the pyramid as well.
They had to lift it to that point.
You have to get these 80-ton blocks, 19 feet, and then place them perfectly.
And there's absolutely, again, there's nothing kingly about the king's chamber
at all.
It's just completely a bare room of rose granite with this sarcophagus coming
up out of the floor with a huge chunk missing.
And actually, if you look at where that huge chunk is missing and you turn
around and you look at the wall, there's actually a massive impact on the wall.
There's like a big part of the wall that's been broken off.
So it makes you wonder if maybe that was jettisoned off at some point from
power or, you know, something.
Well, what do you think is in that, what they call the sarcophagus?
Do you have a theory?
I mean, I've been inside it.
There's nothing inside of it.
You got in it?
Yeah.
I laid down inside of it.
That's kind of creepy.
With a grandmaster of the Templar order chanting over me.
Oh, fun.
Yeah.
That was my first trip to Egypt.
They're going to take a video of that and put it up on X and no one's ever
going to take you seriously again.
Yeah, no, right, right.
They're going to go, this guy's a fucking kook.
I am.
I am a kook.
Well, you have to be a kook.
You know, yeah, you do.
You have to be a kook to really enjoy this.
And you have to be on the fringe.
And also, I think some of the most impressive scientists and creators have been
people on the fringe who were laughed at by all their peers.
Well, especially now, because the way universities work is essentially there's
a person that is the most important person in that field, right, at that
university.
And there's a bunch of people that want grants.
And there's a bunch of people that want to play nice.
They want their career.
They want tenure.
And you've got to be careful whose toes you step on.
And if this one guy is the gatekeeper or a group of guys like him at various
universities are the gatekeepers to this information, you're going to come up
with the current bottleneck problem that we see, where people are not just
unwilling but aggressively attacking people.
The question is, which is why they call Graham Hancock's show the most
dangerous show on television.
That is so crazy.
You have so many shows where people get murdered.
That's the best way to make a show go viral, though, isn't it?
Best way to make a show go viral.
Don't fucking watch this show.
You know what I mean?
They did a great job.
Great job on the PR.
They did a great job.
But it does bring up a disturbing and worrying element of it, just how quickly
the mainstream media in various outlets all aligned at once to call him
everything from a racist to a pseudoscientist to a conspiracy theorist.
And, you know, it is an alarming kickback that he's taken in his stride
profoundly.
Profoundly.
He's a wonderful guy.
He's great.
I can't wait to speak to him.
I literally missed him by like three days when I went out to Peru.
I was gutted.
He was my first real guest.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
He was, wasn't he?
Me and him and Duncan.
We had so much fun.
Oh, my God.
That must have been such a, I need to rewatch that.
He flew in right from England.
We got him to drive to my house.
Yeah.
And then once he got to my house, we ordered pizza.
We all ate pizza.
And we, I couldn't believe him hanging out with Graham Hancock.
I was so giddy.
I bet.
It was like one of the first actual guests.
Giddy moments.
Like, you know, you're just like, I can't believe I'm actually sitting with
this dude.
Yeah, because the guest before that had mostly been comics.
Right.
Or some person that I thought was interesting.
You know, some guy that I met at the comedy store.
I'm like, what do you do?
You're a therapist.
And what do you give people?
How's it work?
Come on over.
Come and talk to me about it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I did a lot of those.
But he was, I think, the first real guest.
Was there like a choice, like a conscious decision for you to kind of like
evolve it from
just, you know, comedians talking shop to actually getting different guests on
from a variety of
subjects?
Because I know you're a curious person.
You've probably been researching these things even at the point before you were
doing that
kind of podcast because clearly you were.
But yeah, like what was the natural evolution of that for you?
Well, I was always into books about ancient history and whether it's, you know,
like modernly,
you know, commonly accepted narrative or Graham Hancock stuff.
But I got into Graham Hancock stuff, I think in the 90s, Fingerprints of the
Gods came out.
Right.
And I fucking loved it.
I was so fascinated by it.
I couldn't shut the fuck up about it.
I would tell people, they're like, you got to see this.
Like, I think this guy's right.
I think we're, we are a history with amnesia or a race with amnesia.
Race with amnesia, yeah.
And then, of course, I watched Chariots of the Gods, that film, which I thought
was very
kooky and fun.
It's fun.
It's very campy and fun.
And here's the thing about that.
I dismissed it for a long time and I said it's nonsense.
And I was, I actually had lunch once.
Eric Weinstein took me to lunch at Peter Thiel's house where we talked to Von
Daniken.
And it was fun, fun conversation.
Like, interesting.
I'm talking to, he's a full-on true believer.
Von Daniken?
Yeah.
Yeah, fully.
Of the alien theory, the ancient aliens theory.
And back, see, I've gone in like multiple stages in my cognitive dissonance.
And for a while, I was all in with the aliens.
I hear you.
I'm the same though.
And then for a while, I was like, no, no, no.
There was an advanced civilization and we're just a rebuilding of that
civilization.
And that's probably why we're so barbaric.
And now I'm like, why are they mutually exclusive?
It could be a mix.
Yeah, I don't think they are mutually exclusive.
At one point, the gods walked amongst us, you know?
Right.
And that's when I see the things like the tridactyl mummies and I'm like, okay,
okay, okay.
What is that?
What are we talking?
Why is Peru so weird?
Why do they have artwork that you can only see from the sky?
Like, there's a lot of weird shit going on here.
Like, don't be so quick to jump.
Exactly.
So, but my point is like, I have always been fascinated by stories.
First of all, any subject that makes you ridiculous for considering it.
I'm always like, what's that about?
Yeah.
Why is that ridiculous?
Scratch that itch a little bit.
Yeah, yeah.
Even the cookie ones, like ghosts.
Yeah.
Bigfoot.
All the cookie ones.
Like, why?
What's the resistance?
Why can't you talk about something?
I had a Russian astronaut tell me a Bigfoot story.
What did he say?
Well, he, I mean, a pinch of salt, but he claimed that he had been told this by
a military
guy out in Russia that they were in the rec room of this, like, Air Force base.
And apparently, according to this Russian astronaut trainer at the Yuri Gagarin
Space Center in
Moscow, and he said that this, this Yeti Sasquatch type being apparently just waltzed
in, like
just walked into their rec room, helped itself to some water from the water
thing, waved and
then vanished.
I don't know.
So this guy, what was his job?
He was a trainer of astronauts at the Yuri Gagarin Space Center in Star City,
Moscow.
Bro, they probably dosed him up with so many fucking MK Ultra drugs.
Yeah, I mean, if you're holding on to that kind of information, they'd probably
experiment
on you.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They probably gave that guy some acid.
I've never given the Sasquatch thing.
It's due course in researching it, to be honest.
I've been very dismissive of that.
But maybe it's real.
Oh, I have.
I mean, maybe, you know, I mean, like the demographic behind it.
I used to have a Sasquatch Bigfoot footprint, like a cast.
Oh, yeah.
Like a plaster cast on the desk.
That rest in peace, Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum.
He just recently died.
I had him as a guest on the show once, too.
He's so crazy.
I told him, I asked him if he was so crazy, but in a wonderful way.
I said, if you could cut a finger off to know that Sasquatch was real, would
you do it?
And he goes, like, yes.
Yeah, instantly.
What the fuck, dude?
It's your finger.
Don't say yes to that.
Fuck it.
Fuck it.
Fuck it, fuck it, Joe.
What if the information just comes out and you don't have to lose a finger?
Damn it.
Just sitting there with half a finger.
I think Bigfoot was a real thing.
Yeah.
I think that's why there's some...
Do you think it was just like some sort of like branch of creature?
Because there's so many people who think it's like an interdimensional being or...
It could be that, too, but I think it's Gigantopithecus, initially.
Yeah, yeah.
Gigantopithecus was an absolute real thing that we didn't even know existed
until I believe it was the 20s.
Yeah, around then.
They got fined its teeth in an apothecary shop in China.
And then they started researching it and finding where the dig sites were.
And, you know, they found jaw bones that indicate that it was bipedal.
So this is a bipedal hominid that's 8 to 10 feet tall.
Yeah.
But what is that?
That's Bigfoot.
That is Bigfoot.
And that's probably...
And also, this thing 100% lived around modern human beings.
Like, what we are today, it lived around us.
So, imagine you see one of those things.
Well, first of all, you're going to fucking run like hell.
You're going to have stories.
This thing lives in the woods or in the jungle.
Stay out of this spot.
That's where this thing lives.
And that's going to be passed on from generation to generation to generation
until even after
they're gone.
Now, it's just a whisper.
Now, it's just a thing.
Now, it's a mystery man that lives in the woods.
Are there, like, antiquated Bigfoot stories, like, outside of just modern...
Yes.
Yeah.
Oh, without a doubt.
Especially Native American cultures.
Oh, interesting.
That's what's interesting is, like, Native American tribes, there's multiple,
obviously, many
different tribes, many different languages, right?
Yeah, yeah.
They all have a word for this thing.
Like, let's put this into perplexity.
Yeah.
How many different Native American names are there for Bigfoot?
Because I believe Sasquatch is a Native American...
I don't know which tribe had that, but there's multiple different names for
this hairy creature
that lives in the woods.
But they don't have names for, like, a giraffe that lives in the woods.
Right, right, right.
They don't have, like, other mystical animals, mythical creatures.
Just have this one.
Yeah.
And this one is a fucking weird one.
Well, that's what I mean with the interdimensional aspect.
It's treated differently than just an animal, even from, like, these...
That might be real, too.
This is part of the problem.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like, we might be dealing with multiple different things.
It might not even be Gigantopithecus.
Sasquatch, Skookum.
That's right, I've heard that.
Oma.
That's right.
There was a movie called Oma.
The guy who did the American Werewolf.
That's just the last words you say when you see Bigfoot.
Oma!
Yeah.
How are you?
Yeah, okay.
Chaitanka.
Big Elder Brother.
70 to 80 names.
Wicked Cannibal.
Oh, boy.
Windago.
Wicked Cannibal.
Yeah, Windigo.
I've heard that one.
Windigo.
Yeah, I've heard that one before.
And Yetishol.
How do you say that?
Yetisou.
Yetisou.
Yetisou.
Big God.
And that's a Navajo name.
So there's a bunch underneath that, too.
Yeah, like it says about 70 to 80 names when accounting for variance across 50
tribes.
Okay.
So what is that?
And it's the same with the alien greys, like the ant people.
Yes.
Well, and then it brings us to the same subject of what if there is a way to
traverse dimensions?
What if this is not as simple as something gets in a spaceship and it comes
here from another planet?
What if it's coming from another place?
And what if that doorway is open to other things?
And what if some of those things are Sasquatch?
Like, and under the right conditions, this pathway is open.
Right.
And maybe it's not even something that actually exists, but you can see.
Exists in our tangible timeline, but you can see under heavy stress.
Right.
Right.
Under, like, anxiety.
And imagine, what gets you more stressed out than being in the woods at night?
Right?
The woods at night creates a lot of anxiety for people because there's all
these sounds and you're looking around.
It's dark.
You're vulnerable, especially if you live in real woods, like woods that have
predators in them.
Right, right.
It's sketchy.
And I bet there's different states of mind that you would, if there are, if
there's some sort of a possibility, some sort of a way that an intelligent
creature can get to a point where it has the technology to access other
dimensions.
It can go into other spaces.
Would you even be able to see it all the time?
Would you only be able to see it if you were, like, under a highly anxious
state in the woods?
You're kind of a little freaked out.
You're more open to weird things.
And then it senses that and communicates with you.
Well, we are.
Sounds kooky.
We're dominated by our perception.
And we have such a narrow bandwidth of visual perception.
You know, you get up the whole light spectrum and look at visible light, just
this tiny corridor of visible light that we're able to see.
Obviously, we've developed IR and, you know, different.
And if you film the night sky with infrared, you get weird shit.
You get these orbs and things that seem to fly by.
And I think that it is a perceptual thing because the reason I even started my
YouTube channel is because I've had my own experiences with UFO type phenomena
that were entirely initiated by me.
Like, I asked for them to come and they did.
See, that sounds kooky.
I'll take that clip and I'll dismiss you immediately.
This guy's a quack.
I'll wait for it.
But this is one of the things that people have been saying for a long time is
that there's actual groups of people.
And there was even some guy who was, like, somehow or another connected to the
government that was saying that they lead these people out.
They go out into the desert and they have, like, some sort of a secret
frequency – he didn't want to discuss it – that they can push out.
They can send out the secret frequency and it'll call them in and that other
people have done it simply by willing them in.
Yeah, that's what I do.
So sitting there and putting out this message that you're trying to communicate
with them and then eventually they show up.
Yeah, I can't speak to technologically assisted psionics and all that kind of
stuff, but do you want to hear my UFO story?
First of all, did you come up with this idea on your own or did you hear about
people doing this?
No, I heard of it from someone who's a quite polarizing figure in the UFO
community.
I know you've spoken to him, Dr. Stephen Greer.
Polarizing people are right sometimes.
He's right on this.
Yeah, they could be right on a lot of things.
He's right on this.
And, you know, I know that a lot of people have issues with Greer, but he was
actually my intro into the UFO subject.
So I'll tell you the story.
Sorry about my throat.
Let me just take a sip of water, actually.
Don't worry.
So this was –
How did he find out about it?
That's a good question.
He had a near-death experience, I believe, and from that was actually
apparently communicated to and shown things that when he came out of that
experience,
he became a Samadhi-type, you know, teacher and got profoundly interested in
consciousness.
That's a great origin story.
Brilliant origin story.
My origin story was I was really bored during COVID.
No, so, like, honestly, though, it was actually in 2019 that I had these
experiences.
And I do think that it's very important to lay a bit of foundational groundwork
because I think a lot of people will recognize this as well.
And it's something that you mentioned with Bigfoot being in a high-stress
environment in the forest.
Maybe that changes your perception.
And I think that there's a degree of trauma and a degree of intense emotional
moments that can bring about paranormal experiences.
I don't know why, but it does seem to be something that a lot of people relate
to.
Yes, I was in a very dark time.
Yes, I was having a very traumatic time.
Or, yes, I was going through something.
And then this happened.
And so, for me, I was in my third year of university and struggling.
I just had a whole mix of personal issues going on.
So, I ended up kind of dropping out before I finished and was just in a really
bad rut.
And my dad was worried about me.
And he said, look, I'm out.
It's a bit of a long story, but it's important to lay this foundation, I think,
before I talk about what I actually experienced because it plays in.
My dad was worried.
He was out in France at the time.
And he said, look, do you want to come out and stay at this place with me and
just kind of relax and bring yourself back to normal?
I was like, yeah, okay.
So, I came out.
And he was like, I've got these books that I've been reading.
I think they'll be really beneficial for you.
You should read them.
And I was like, okay.
Like, you know, I don't see how a book's going to change anything.
Does he often recommend books?
Not massively, no.
In fact, no, no.
This was the only time he recommended books, which is interesting.
And there were a series of books called Conversations with God by Neil Donald Walsh.
Have you ever heard of them?
No.
Okay.
So, it's interesting.
It kind of ties into, I suppose, the channeled works, things that people
believe they received.
Oh, wait a minute.
I have heard of this.
He's quite well known.
He's quite well known.
He, you know, was a radio DJ, broke his neck in a car accident, became homeless,
finally managed to get back on his feet, but was still struggling.
Wrote an angry letter to God, and then apparently woke up at three o'clock in
the morning and was having, like, voices literally telling him to write things
down.
So, he wrote all of this down, and this became Conversations with God.
It's literally a dialogue of him asking questions and him receiving answers,
which he interpreted as from God.
Now, that is intense, and I'm definitely not here to say this is a Bible and
everyone should read it.
However, it was incredibly impactful for me at that time.
The things that I was reading about, it was a very different idea of God,
universal consciousness leaning towards more than some weird patriarchal cloud
living figure that just never made sense to me.
So, it got me in, and I was reading it, and it helped tremendously, weirdly
enough, which I didn't expect.
And that put me on a path towards researching metaphysics and philosophy and
science and consciousness, and that's where it really started for me.
But then, a couple years down the line, I found myself in another depression,
in a sense, because I felt like I'd accumulated a lot of information about
various different topics that I thought were, like, these big questions and big
answers and big esoteric things.
And I just got to a point where I was like, none of this is actually helping me
in my life.
In fact, I'm actually feeling, like, fucking worse for looking into all of this
thing.
I don't know how this is going to benefit me.
So, I was sitting on my bed one night, and I just, I guess you could call it a
prayer.
I just sat on my bed and said out loud to the universe, like, I need something
that validates all of this.
Like, if I'm meant to be looking into these big picture questions about the
universe and consciousness, if there's something tangible here, like, I need to
know, and I want evidence, and I'm ready for it.
So, give me it.
I want that.
And then, like, a week later, my best friend at the time, he was like, hey, I
was watching this documentary.
You've got to check it out.
It's called Unacknowledged by this guy called Dr. Stephen Greer.
And this is my first introduction to the UFO subjects.
I was like, okay, cool.
Sit down and watch that.
Very good documentary.
All of these different, you know, high-level officers and missile launch guys
talking about UFOs.
It got me in.
And then, near the end of that is when he brings up this concept of CE5, you
know, initiating contact with these.
You can actually have your own experiences by getting into a particular meditative
state.
If I hadn't been making that request on my bed the week prior, I probably just
would have watched that documentary and gone about my life.
But it felt like a very strong message to me personally because I've been
asking for something to validate these ideas around consciousness.
Now there's a guy saying, yeah, you can actually have an experience by going
out and attempting to, you know, ask for one.
So, talk me through the process of actually doing that.
So, he has…
Did you get it on the first try?
No.
How many times did you try?
It was a weird, gradual thing where things were happening in the sky that were
enough to keep me going out but not enough for me to be like, okay, this is
legit.
So, like, how many times did you go out before it worked?
Before I saw what I really, really saw, probably about a month of going out.
Damn, that's a commitment.
But I was seeing things but they weren't, it was kind of just enough to make me
like, okay.
What were you seeing?
Lots of what the contact community call flash bulbs, flashes of light in the
night sky in a void of space repeatedly without any discernible object attached
to it.
Just one flash and then send a thought, another flash, send a thought, another
flash.
And this happened multiple times.
I've been to someone who watches the night sky all my life.
I'm used to seeing satellites.
I know what I'm reading flares are.
How long would you sit out there for?
Maybe an hour, two hours, you know.
And so, you sit down.
Are you seated?
No, I'd usually be standing with my neck creamed to the sky.
But I would be…
Why don't you get a lounge chair?
I know, I know.
A bit more meditative.
I know, I don't know.
I don't think about things properly sometimes when I do them.
How about just lay down on the ground?
Just lay on the grass, right?
Don't you get a better view of the sky?
Yeah, but it's cold in England and it was mildewy on the floor.
Get a tarp.
Yeah, yeah.
But I was essentially, because of, again, asking the universe for something,
the universe
seemed to be giving me some sort of response.
It kind of lit a fire up under me and I started going outside.
And honestly, a lot of people, like even Greer has this incredibly complicated
method using
Samadhi and doing various things.
I didn't do any of that.
I just breathed in through the nose and out through the mouth until I felt very
calm
and then began to very clearly model my thoughts around the concept of, I want
something to
respond to me.
And then I would essentially visualize that that was emanating from me, that
these thoughts
were emanating from me.
And it didn't take very long before I'd have flashes of light in the sky that
just seemed
weird because I've never seen anything like that.
Or an incredible influx of what look and behave like satellites, but just at an
incredibly
high level, which is like, what's going on here?
And it just felt like a kind of step by step progression until in August of
2019.
I had four incredibly vivid and real experiences with orange orbs of light,
really profound.
What was that?
What happened?
So I was outside.
At this point, it had become my routine.
It was in the summer of August and it was relatively warm.
So I was out doing this quite a lot, seeing little flashes, seeing things in
the sky, trying
to figure out what exactly it was that I was seeing.
And I was standing at the back of my garden, looking towards my house, night
sky, crystal
clear.
And I saw at the beginning a flash of light in the corner of the sky.
So I looked over and I saw this flash and another flash, another flash, and it
was just
blinking, but it was static in space.
And then it started moving down.
Every time it blinked, it would move further down.
And I was observing this.
And then it settled above two stars and kind of created the apex of a triangle.
And it was just flashing above these two stars.
And I was watching this for a while.
And it happened for long enough where I just decided, all right, I'm just,
thank you, whatever
you are.
I'm just going to keep panning around the sky here and looking around.
And as I panned my head, I saw that there was a cloud, but I didn't really look
at it.
And I turn around here, come back, and I see this cloud again.
And this time I really look at it.
And this cloud, Joe, had, so strange, it's like a dark cloud.
But when you stared at it, it had a staticky appearance.
It's very hard to describe other than imagine a light overlay of TV static.
There was particles.
It was agitated.
It was shimmering.
It was not a cloud.
Like, certainly not anything I've ever seen in my life.
And if we pretend this microphone is my house and this cloud is here, it's
drifting this way.
So eventually it's going to drift past my house and go this way, at least
according to its
natural trajectory.
It gets to my house and it does a right angle turn and it starts coming towards
me.
So eventually it's going to be above my head.
This cloud-like formation.
A cloud does a right angle turn in the sky.
Abrupt, as in 90 degrees.
It's going like this and now it's going like this towards you.
High up in the sky, but it's now in my path, complete 90 degree shift from its
trajectory.
And I saw it, like a jarring, now it's going this way.
Okay, so at this point I'm rooted in place.
I'm not really scared, but I'm shocked at the fact that this thing did what it
just did.
And I'm watching as it's coming closer and closer, you know, towards where I'm
going to be.
Eventually it's directly above my head.
It sounds so crazy.
And, you know, Terrence McKenna said something like this.
He was like, you know, if you tell the unvarnished truth about a UFO experience,
you'll be taken for a fool.
It's like, it's true.
You know, if you just tell people what really happened.
But this is what really happened.
So this cloud comes above my head.
As it's directly above my head, this cloud, like sucked into itself as if there
was a central vacuum, a central point where it just got sucked into itself.
And it revealed a triangle formation of about 25, maybe 30 orange orbs of light
in a triangle.
And this triangle, basically the cloud went, triangle was revealed.
It kept moving.
I had to turn around and watch as it went off in this direction.
And as I was watching it, I could see that some of these orbs were actually swapping
formation, swapping position in this formation.
And that was the first time I saw them.
I saw them on three other occasions, all within the space of a month after this.
Weirdly enough, I woke up the next day and this is the only element of the
story, as crazy as the whole thing sounds.
It's the only element that makes me personally uncomfortable.
I was getting out of the shower and as I was drying myself off, immediately,
immediately noticed where this tattoo is now.
There was a triangle mark of three red, three red marks, one here, one here,
one here.
Very vivid, like, like, the moment.
And you covered it up with a tattoo?
Well, it faded.
It faded over time.
Did you take any pictures of it?
I have taken pictures of it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Is it clear?
Yes.
Can I see it?
I can try and find them, yeah.
I haven't got my internet on right now.
Jamie, if you go onto my X account and just type in J. Anderson Marks on Arm,
maybe that will come up.
I'm sorry.
I should have really sent that ahead of time.
But I do have images online.
People have seen them.
And I've discussed it many times.
Did it look like a wound?
Did it look like a tattoo?
So three red marks, no bump, no scab.
No itching, no feeling of discomfort.
There was a slight shine to them, as if it was almost like a healed over burn.
And this was very vivid.
It didn't dissipate for over a year.
It was on my arm for about a year before it faded away, eventually faded away.
And then I got home.
These Trismegisters tattooed on my arm.
Weirdly enough, I got this tattoo and then got invited to Egypt.
But, yeah, I had these experiences.
And I had another experience where they came down and hovered above my house.
Yeah, I asked you this.
So these orbs?
Yeah.
There you go.
There you go.
Thanks, Jamie.
Thanks for that.
That is weird.
It looks like you burned three cigarettes on your arm.
That's what some arsehole online definitely claimed.
But I didn't.
Well, that's what I would say, too.
If I was an arsehole online.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But that's crazy.
Yeah, I noticed it immediately.
Very weird.
I'm not particularly comfortable with it.
I don't know what it really means.
I really...
I'm a bit of an idiot, Joe.
Because, like, you know, I should have gone to a dermatologist.
I should have, like, actually had someone look at it.
You got branded, like, cattle, son.
They branded you.
Well, that's kind of what I think.
And at the same time...
Let's keep an eye on this one.
Can I even be mad at them?
I was like, show me.
Show me.
Give me evidence.
I want a sign.
Well, fuck it.
Fine then.
Right.
There you go, dude.
I would say whatever that is on your arm, who knows?
Maybe a dermatologist could explain it.
It's just a coincidence.
But the actual thing itself is far more interesting to me.
And, like, because one of the things that people always say is, if they were
out there, what
wouldn't we see them?
Like, God, if they could come here from another dimension, or if they can come
here from another
planet or another solar system, don't you think they could probably hide?
Like, we're pretty good at hiding.
Like, don't you think, like, we have technology right now, like the stealth
bomber stuff, that
diminishes the radar signal.
Exactly.
Like, you can't pick them up on radar.
So, why would it be impossible to somehow or another manipulate your visual
field, project
what looks like clouds on the outside?
We know that we can do stuff like that with plasma.
Like, they have these plasma things that could spin in the sky.
Absolutely.
It's weird.
They can make objects out of them.
I wonder if that was plasma.
I actually do wonder if this was a form of self-organizing plasma.
Because that's definitely something that people have looked into quite
extensively.
That maybe plasma has intelligence.
Yes.
There's some, yeah.
Yes.
And, you know, perhaps these are a form of individuated plasmic intelligences
that can
interact.
And one thing that's very interesting about that, there was a brilliant paper,
actually.
I did a video on it.
It's like 11 different scientific institutes looking at the idea of self-organizing
plasma
and intelligent plasma.
And they were using some references.
Like, do you know the STS-75 NASA missions where the tether broke and you had
all of these
strange things going around the tether?
Yes.
So that's dismissed as ice particles and things like that.
Have you ever seen the motion tracking version of that where someone actually
attached the
flight paths of each object so you can see the flight path?
No.
That's crazy.
Can we see it?
Yeah, I'm sure if Jamie looks up STS-75 flight path.
Lights are going towards that thing and checking it out.
Yeah.
So this is, you know, this is a gigantic tether.
I think it's like two kilometers long or something.
It's absolutely insane.
It broke away from the ship.
And as it broke away, you had these, well, what some people believe to be UFOs
or plasmic
intelligences.
Or if you're on the mainstream side, you'd say these are ice particles.
There you go.
If you go slightly further back, slightly further back, there you go, just
there's that green
one starting up.
This is the flight path.
So if you just take it back to the beginning of that, and this is where they've
attached the
flight paths, and you will see complete 90 degree turns.
You'll see absolute stops and reversals of change.
And it's incredible.
I wonder if it's just a kind of life that we don't assume exists and it just
lives in space.
I think so.
I really do.
Like the things they find at these volcanic vents at the bottom of the ocean,
they're like,
oh, we didn't even know that something could survive down here.
There could be a type of life that survives in the void of space.
And it just, it wouldn't be a biological thing.
It would be some form of energy or light.
Well, this is apparently what all the spooks were telling Tom DeLonge when he
went to the
Pentagon, that there's amoebas in space the size of whales and like, you know,
that these
things were essentially-
That's what they told him?
Yeah, I remember when he was on Fade to Black and he was talking about, you
know, that there
are these amoebas in space that are like, you know-
But why would they tell him and then he goes on those shows and tells, like, I
feel like
that's the kind of guy that you tell some things that you want to get out.
Yeah.
And it doesn't necessarily have to be true.
No.
No.
Matter of fact, it's more fun if it's not true.
And make him say as much kooky shit as possible so that the stuff that he's
going to say that's
true looks ridiculous.
And now all of those guys that gave him that information are on the Age of Disclosure
documentary.
Exactly.
We should trust them, right?
Yeah.
We should trust all of these government spooks.
It's fun.
If you're playing, it's like the world is a gigantic escape room.
Fuck it, yeah, dude.
You're playing a bunch of weird puzzles and you're trying to figure it out, but
nothing is
what it seems.
I think-
Nothing's what it seems.
Nothing's as it seems.
I think with Tom DeLonge and the UFO subject and To The Stars Academy and all
the things
that have happened since like 2017, New York Times, I have opinions on it
because I think
I might be the first guest that you've had on that wasn't already quite
established.
So I've had to work my way up through social media, through the interactions in
the community
to personal relations with people that aren't big names or anything like that.
I've had to work my way up it.
So I've seen and been exposed to things that perhaps people like Jeremy Corbell
and others
who are already quite big names haven't seen because they're too big.
They don't need to be on social media looking at fucking comments or like, you
know, what's
going on in the X space.
But if you are like that, you start to notice things.
And so what's interesting to me, despite what anyone wants to say about Stephen
Greer,
and I've got my own issues with Stephen Greer, what's interesting to me is that
the only
person really who was making noise prior to TTSA was Stephen Greer.
He was the one that was putting out Netflix documentaries that were getting
seen by millions
of people all over the world.
And he was saying, you know, these are black budget illegal programs.
This is a anti-congressional crime against humanity.
We need to be busting down the doors.
This is not exactly what they would want to hear if they were inside the
national security
state.
There's this guy out there saying this.
What do you do about that?
Well, do you know how Tom DeLonge got linked up at the very beginning to all of
this?
No.
So he's always been a UFO guy.
And because of his background and, you know, the money, he was able to secure
connections.
And he was very friendly with Greer.
He was best buds with Greer at one point.
In fact, there's a video of him when he's quite young.
And he's pointing out all of the UFO witness tapes that he's got in his library.
And he's like, you know, these are all I'm holding on to these for a guy.
He's got like 50 whistleblowers.
He's bringing this all out.
And this is before Greer, you know, kind of made the announcement.
So it's obviously Greer.
And Tom DeLonge's on Fade to Black in, I want to say, 2015, talking about this,
where
he tells a story of how a friend of his at Lockheed Martin calls him up and
says, hey,
we're having a family and friends meet and greet over at Lockheed Martin.
Would you want to introduce the bosses to the stage?
And he said, yeah, but I want 10 minutes with your bosses afterwards.
And they were like, OK.
And so he went and he introduced them on stage.
And then he tells a story of being taken through, you know, these white noise
corridors and down
into this place where eventually he was chilling with the guys at Skunk Works.
And, you know, these big directors are all sitting in this room.
OK, what is it you want to talk about?
This is where he pitches to the Stars Academy of Arts and Science and this
framework.
And what's interesting is on the radio when he's talking about this, he's
saying you have
to approach these guys like you want to be of service.
You know, I was saying I'm being of service.
I want to I want to help.
I want to help.
So you've got a disruptive rogue person out there, Stephen Greer, saying all
this stuff,
causing commotion.
What do we do about that?
I have no idea.
Suddenly in walks a rock star.
Use me.
Because that's basically what he said.
Use me.
I'm happy to do whatever it were.
I am your conduit into the public.
Now, no disrespect to Tom.
I've met him.
He's a lovely guy and he's very passionate about the subject.
But I do think he was used.
And what you get from there is the Tudor Stars Academy platform.
Suddenly you have this official kind of greenlit disclosure, very soft
disclosure.
There's nothing like Stephen Greer's disclosure.
And we're all being encouraged to partake and support in this very, what should
we say, curated method of soft disclosure for the people.
I think that they were very worried about what type of disruptive truths might
come out before it was time to talk about them.
And then suddenly Tom DeLonge was a very useful medium for communicating this.
And when you see things like the WikiLeaks emails between him and John Podesta
where he's literally saying this is about bolstering PR for the military
industrial complex from a disenfranchised youth and, you know, the generations
of youth today don't trust the government.
We want to change that.
We want to change the perception of the military and the government.
He's literally emailing John Podesta about this.
So it's very clear that at the very least he was willing to be the messenger of
whatever message they wanted to give him.
And it just so happens that that message completely counteracts what Greer is
talking about in terms of classified black budget programs have already cracked
reverse engineering.
We cracked anti-gravity in October 1954, you know, this kind of stuff.
It's like complete reversal of that narrative.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Well, it makes sense.
That's the, what's the term?
Useful idiots?
Useful idiot.
Yeah.
They love doing that.
Yeah.
You know, I've said it before.
I'll say it again.
I know I've had people on this podcast that were doing that with me.
And I know they were coming on saying a bunch of nonsense, but you have to let
them talk because the truth comes out in the wash.
For sure.
And I think what's interesting about the age of disclosure is this narrative of
the reality of what happened.
If it did happen, there's lying to Congress, there's misappropriation of funds,
you're going to need amnesty.
And so this is the narrative.
This narrative is we need amnesty.
It's like, it's kind of a smart way to do it, right?
It is.
Do it in a documentary.
Have all these people that are probably implicated in some way.
Say, we need amnesty.
Yeah.
All these people that say that they know about these programs, but amnesty is
important because, you know, these people have been up.
But what they've been doing really, if they have been doing what we assume they've
been doing, we assume they've retrieved, crashed UFOs and they've back
engineered them.
We assume they've used that technology.
We assume they're aware that there's non-human intelligences that are far
beyond our technological capabilities and that we interact with them.
You've committed a crime against humanity by not telling people that because we
all operate under the assumption that we have an understanding of what our role
is in this ecosystem of life.
And if our role is not even remotely at the apex, if we are being visited and
manipulated and if we're actually a product of experiments, you should fucking
tell us.
You can't, you guys can't be hanging out at Raytheon in the fucking conference
room.
Can you believe this shit?
Like, yeah, right?
With your gold Rolexes on.
Yeah, dude.
You motherfuckers.
Right, right.
Tell everybody.
But we can't handle the truth, right?
We can't handle it.
They are right with the amnesty thing.
I think that's the pathway.
I mean, it's like these guys are not going to know what they stole.
They stole.
Yeah.
Okay.
What they did, they did.
What the lying to Congress, the lies have been told.
Let's fucking find out what the truth is.
These guys, whatever they did, they did.
Okay.
You didn't stop it then.
Let it go.
The more important thing is let's find out if this is real.
That's more important than everything.
For the race, for the human race, the entire human race and science and
technology to have all
this stuff locked down like that and not allow the great young minds that are
coming up right
now to have access to this.
It's crazy.
You're wasting one of the most valuable resources that we have with secrecy.
I think there's so many different reasons why they might want to keep this a
secret in terms
of breakthrough energy and propulsion systems.
There's so many different implications to that.
Massively disruptive.
Massively disruptive.
And could you imagine some whacked out fucking dude with a zero point energy
device?
Or you imagine some guy who's running an oil company who finds out that they're
about to do
something like that?
Like the fuck you are.
Right.
Like how about this guy at MIT that just got assassinated in his home?
Dude.
The wet works in the corporate world is very real.
This is very real.
This guy was, he, one of the more disturbing theories he had was that not only
is the shift
of the magnetic poles that, here I'll send it to you, Jamie, but his take on it
was that
the shift of the magnetic poles is necessary in order to maintain, well, I don't
want to
fuck it up.
Well, like a natural earth cycle that has to happen.
I'm sorry.
I'm trying to think and look it up at the same time.
You're good.
Here it is.
I'll send it to you, Jamie.
Sorry for the dead air, folks.
Okay.
So it says, the assassinated MIT plasma scientists warned that earth requires
periodic magnetic
reversals to sustain its field.
No reversal equals no dynamo equals the magnetic field dissipates.
The last time this happened, in the tweet it says, Noah's flood.
Oh, Sunweatherman.
Oh, I know both these guys.
This guy who has this.
Google whistleblower.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've got him on.
Is that not loading?
The clip?
Plasma physics 101 fluid description.
It seems like the clip's not.
Okay.
Let's hear what he has to say.
It's really interesting shit, man.
You mentioned that the earth's magnetic field was constant in the last million
years.
Right.
So, yeah.
Is it right that the earth has lost 10% of its magnetic field in the last 150
years?
And how come?
So, excellent question, Alec.
Thank you.
So, when I say that the earth's magnetic field has remained roughly constant,
what I mean is, if you look over longish timescales, its magnitude is roughly
constant.
So, of course, it varies, right?
And it reverses sometimes, right?
And those reversals of the earth's magnetic field, so, you know, reversal
meaning the North Pole becomes the South Pole and vice versa.
So, those happen, and there's even interesting stories you can tell about how
those reversals of the earth's magnetic field correlate with many ice ages and
things like this.
So, the idea is that if you average over these periodic reversals, right, or
fluctuations, the amplitude of the field has remained roughly constant.
And the idea is that if there was no induction, if there was no dynamo working,
you would, you and I wouldn't be talking, right?
The magnetic field would have diffused very quickly, right, in within 10 to the
five years.
The earth would be left without a magnetic field, and the earth's magnetic
field protects it from cosmic radiation, right?
And if you were open to that radiation, we, well, you wouldn't be here, like I
said, nor would I.
Yeah, thank you very much.
Wild.
And they just put bullets into that dude.
Well, I'm, like, you know.
Listen, it could have been a robbery.
We don't know.
I mean, Massachusetts has a lot of robberies.
For sure.
They've got a lot of, for sure.
It's one of them East Coast liberal-run cities that's got a crime problem.
Completely fucked.
And I'm sure, you know, as a MIT professor, he's probably lived nice.
Yeah.
I mean, it's possible.
It's possible.
But it also is possible that somebody killed him.
And imagine if they killed him because he's telling us, hey, Earth's about to
reverse its magnetic poles, and we might be fucked.
A cataclysm might be coming.
Well, this is what I think there was a knowledge of in deep antiquity.
There was a knowledge of cycles, of Earth cycles, and they were preparing for
it.
You know, why are these structures built in a way that's anti-seismic, that's,
like, resistant to incredible force?
Right.
You know, the amount of-
Saxo-Huaman, that's-
Saxo-Huaman's such a good example of that.
It's really an incredible example.
I mean, the level of ingenuity, and also the fact that they're finding that
these walls go way deeper, right?
Because it's not just the excavation where they're going deep down and finding
new blocks of stone, but just the walls.
There's key excavations going on around the walls.
They just keep going now.
So it's like this place was buried, maybe.
A lot of Earth pushed up and, you know, submerged into the ground.
Clearly, this place experienced some form of global upheaval.
And what's really weird about a place like Peru, for example, is that prior to
the, well, at the end of the last glacial maximum, around 19,000 years ago,
when the Earth started to warm up again, there were certain climatologically
stable corridors.
And Peru was one of those areas which was actually quite climatologically
stable.
So at the end of the LGM, the last glacial maximum, to the Younger Dryas, it's
about 6,000 plus, just 6,000 and change.
Now, we've taken ourselves from horse and cart to supercomputers in less than
150 years.
So the idea, the areas of the world that had stability for about 6,000 years
couldn't create something incredible.
And then the Younger Dryas comes and it takes it all away for the most part.
It's very provocative in Peru because of, again, the existence of the Inca
structures that are very, quite pristine, actually, and still standing, very
simple.
And yet they are surrounded by broken megaliths and, you know, multi-ton
structures that have gone through incredible damage.
And what I was getting at when I was saying about that area is the way the
stones are interlocked would protect it against earthquakes.
Yeah, dissipate the force through all of these different areas.
It allows for the force, for the kinetic force to dissipate through the
structure instead of it being focused and blowing apart one area of it.
So it's clearly done for the purposes of trying to prevent massive amounts of
force.
Where would they get that type of a concept from?
Right.
It makes me wonder.
It makes me wonder if they did have a knowledge of great cycles, you know, like
the Adam and Eve story.
You know, the whole thing that was, like, classified by the CIA for a minute?
The Adam and Eve story?
It was classified by the CIA?
It was listed on their freedom of information at the library.
Oh, right.
What was that again?
It was a deep research into cycles, great cycles of cataclysmic destruction on
Earth by a guy called, well, his name was Chan Thomas, but I think that was a
pseudonym or a fake, not real name.
And he actually had at the beginning of it, like, a series of people he had
listed who, without whom this book would not be possible.
And it was like, you know, top five star generals and like, it's like, okay, so,
you know, this, this guy had the, you know, Chan Thomas, the Adam and Eve story.
It's all about this great cyclical cataclysm that does take place every, what
was it, like 12,000 years or something like that.
And that the ancients had a knowledge of this.
And I think that this is something that we will probably begin to realize is
that somewhere in deep antiquity, there was a level of knowledge that is very
contradictory to what we understand now.
And I think places like Peru, places like Egypt and others, Malta, Gobekli Tepe,
of course, it's becoming very palpable that there was something before this.
Also, when you see the spikes of the Earth's temperature, when you see those
ups and downs, those glaciers and those warming periods, like what, is there a
uniform time in between those spikes?
In terms of?
Is it like predictable?
I don't know.
Is it like every 12,000 years it gets a little funky?
I imagine it's probably not like clockwork.
Last for about 12,000 years comes back?
Right.
Probably not.
But this is, again, this is one of the things that people in like, you know,
the conspiracy world would say they're keeping from us.
They're keeping this knowledge.
Yes, there are 12,000 year cycles and we are just not being allowed to know
that knowledge.
But I don't know.
Well, they have models of the past.
Exactly.
You know, from core samples and things along those lines.
But we do know that it's never static and we do know that there have been these
periods and they do look like, you know, a strange graph.
It's not a flat line.
Like, oh, look, it's all getting warmer.
No, it's always crazy.
So, like, what is causing these dips and these rises and these weird periods
that seem to be rhythmic?
You know what I'm saying?
It's not like there's an immense time of heating and then a small time of
cooling.
Right, right, right.
And then, no, it's up and down and up and down.
Well, it's almost like the heartbeat of the planet, isn't it?
You know, you look at the planet as some form of conscious entity.
It's certainly capable of producing conscious beings on top of it.
So, I wonder about that and the mycelial network and these kind of elements to
the planet that almost seem like neurological architecture.
Well, even if you could look from afar, if you could, like, have the concept of
the earth, like, the water's moving, the clouds are moving.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
It's like a live thing almost.
Yeah.
Obviously, it's not moving because it's tissue, but that doesn't mean that
there's not a force that's all connected and working in harmony.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that's why I think plasmic intelligence is very interesting because it's
this idea that a self-organizing plasmic structure could in some way create
consciousness inside of it.
And we don't understand where consciousness comes from.
We still don't.
So, it's very open to the idea of possibility.
And, you know, I've spoken to some pretty interesting scientists like Dr. Salvatore
Pais.
He's the guy that was responsible for the, you know, the UFO, U.S. Navy UFO
patents that got put out a few years back, like underwater, undersea, plasmic
generators and things like this.
He was a U.S. Space Force engineer.
And he is very much of the opinion that plasma itself is capable of becoming
conscious, not conscious on its own.
But 99% of the observable universe is made out of plasma.
99%?
Okay.
Isn't it weird how we get taught about solids, gases, and liquids, but not
plasma, the fourth state of matter that's 99% of the universe?
Why aren't we taught about that in school?
That's weird.
Weird, right?
Do you ever remember being taught plasma in school?
Well, when did they start learning that?
Well, I mean, I don't know.
But it's certainly before my time in school.
I didn't get taught it.
You know what I mean?
So why would they, are you, are you saying that they perhaps are hiding this?
I think that there's things within plasma physics that are so novel and exotic.
Like these self-organizing EVOs, exotic vacuum objects, and the science that
they're studying in.
Have you ever heard of the Sapphire Project?
No.
It's kind of gone quiet now.
Hal Putoff got involved with it for a minute, where they're, you know, claiming
to bottle the stars, and they're creating these plasmic, you know, self-organizing
plasmas inside these chambers.
That they were claiming could transform metals from one metal into gold, or,
you know, like transmutation of elements and complete revolution of propulsion
and energy.
And then it just fizzles out.
I always wondered about that.
There is something to plasma.
Why were people really trying to make gold?
That seems so crazy that you think you could make something like that.
And I always wonder, did maybe somebody used to make it, and they have, like,
this story of how people used to make gold?
Like, if there was, like, imagine the caps of the Great Pyramids are in gold,
right?
What if they had made that gold?
Right.
Right?
Like, what if they had gotten to, it's not impossible to assume, like, if the
Earth creates gold, it's not impossible to think that we could take the
elements of the Earth and create gold as well.
There's got to be a way to do it.
There's got to be a way to do it.
Is there a way to create gold currently?
I don't know.
That's a good question.
Let's put that into our sponsor perplexity.
How do you make gold?
Well, let me show you what I asked first.
The alchemy history of gold automatically brought up ancient Egypt metallurgy.
Okay.
Blending four classical elements.
Whoa.
So there is some sort of process.
Earth, air, fire, and water, and you make gold?
It spread to Greco and Roman texts via the Islamic world in the 8th century.
Wow.
Were they made experimental methods?
I mean, gold plating is maybe what they're getting at.
I don't know if that's...
Unless they were trying to create gold.
A lot of alchemy is also kind of personal alchemy.
Replicating gold.
Alchemy of the soul.
And so it's not always necessarily meant as a physical thing, turning base
metals into gold.
It's more about turning you, base human, into a golden person.
Like, a lot of the times in alchemy, it's more about the personal development
of your spirit and your soul.
Maybe, but they're clearly talking about metallurgy here.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, like, right here.
But, I mean, if gold was a valuable part of technology, which it is, and it had
conducting aspects to it, it's very conducive, or it's very good at conducting.
Highly conductive, yeah.
And you can make it.
Modern methods.
Particle accelerators like CERN's Large Hadron Collider achieve this by slamming
lead nuclei together in near-miss collisions, generating intense
electromagnetic fields that eject three protons from the lead, 82 protons, to
form gold, 79 protons.
Wow.
The ALIS experiment detected up to 89,000 gold nuclei per second during lead
lead runs, totaling, or lead lead runs, I'm not sure which one.
Yeah, yeah.
Totaling 29 picograms over years, trillions of times less than needed for
visible amounts.
Whoa, that's crazy.
Trillions of times less than needed for visual amounts.
Early 1980, Glenn Seberg transmuted bismuth into gold isotope using carbon and
neon beams at Lawrence Berkeley Lab.
Maybe they used the pyramids for lightning strikes to create gold with iron ore
streams, and next thing, you know, you get gold.
That's why they had so much gold.
I mean, who knows?
Who knows what they figured out?
But we should be able to ask these questions and not be completely dismissed.
Well, it's certainly fascinating.
It's certainly fascinating that people have been obsessed with the possibility
of making gold.
Obviously, it's because gold is rare and very valuable.
But here's the question.
Why is gold very valuable?
You can't make a weapon out of it.
Like, how did it rise to prominence?
Isn't there, like, some, like, translations that are, you know, from, like, the
old Sumerian, Babylonian text, where it's kind of like, we were made to mine
gold for these beings?
That's all Zachariah Sitchin stuff.
It's like Zachariah Sitchin, right?
Yeah.
Zachariah Sitchin, though, is very controversial.
I'm too stupid to know who's right.
But I do know that I always, when I talk about Zachariah, I always talk about
the website, SitchinIsWrong.com.
Yeah, yeah.
So there's a website.
It seems like he was the only one that was buying into that.
And, you know, when I talk to Wes Huff, he doesn't even think that Zachariah Sitchin
could actually read Sumerian.
Just fucking guessing?
Well, it might be, you know, I don't want to disparage the great man because he's
not with us anymore.
But he might not have been totally honest, or he might have been convinced.
You know, some people just become true believers.
Yeah.
No, for sure.
What he's saying, essentially, is that he tried to learn Sumerian, and Wes
knows many different ancient languages.
Like, he's a brilliant, brilliant guy.
He's like, I couldn't figure it out.
I couldn't figure it out.
I couldn't do it.
Now, obviously, there have been translations of Sumerian.
There are people that can do it.
It's incredibly difficult.
And it's also apparently not related to any other languages.
And it's so ancient.
It's weird.
And then the cuneiform and all that stuff.
It's like, good luck.
Right.
Good luck figuring out what they were saying.
I know.
I always wondered how you'd, like, actually kind of come to those positions on
it.
It is incredibly complex.
And the only people that really know are the people that are that deep into it
that they can read it as well.
And they don't seem to agree with him.
But at the end of the day, like, whatever was going on over in that part of the
world, they had a lot of discussions of things that came from the sky.
Yeah.
They had a detailed map of the solar system, which is very weird, a 5,000-plus-year-old
detailed map of the solar system with all the planets, Jupiter, Mars, Earth.
It's like, what's that?
Yeah.
How are you achieving this?
What are these giant people with monkeys on their laps?
And, like, you know, Gilgamesh holding a lion like it's a little cat in loads
of statues.
Why do all these dudes have wings?
Very typically dismissed as kind of like, you know, oh, it was just, you know,
an intellectual giant or a giant of power and regality.
And it's like, okay, but there's a lot of them.
There's a lot of references all across the world to these giants.
So, you know, I find that very interesting.
And, you know, like the watchings.
This is the reality of fossils.
Yeah.
This is the reality of fossils.
There is a tiny, tiny amount of all the things that die that leave a fossil.
Right.
Most things don't leave a fossil when they die.
They get absorbed by the earth, eaten by scavengers, bacteria, you rot away,
the sun bleaches your bones, and it's over.
It's over.
Within a few hundred years, there's nothing left.
Occasionally, you get lucky, and someone or a dinosaur falls into a bog, and
you get evidence.
But if you don't get that evidence, it doesn't mean it didn't exist, you know?
Exactly.
The giant one is a weird one.
It is a weird one.
It's a weird one.
Because there's so many depictions in ancient literature of giants, of giant
beings.
And you've got to wonder, okay, are we talking about, like, men from Iceland?
Right.
Are we talking about giants that are just enormous human beings?
Like those...
Big chads.
But those dudes that do those strong man competitions, like the mountain.
Yeah, man.
Those guys all live in Iceland.
They're all from Iceland.
Right, right, right.
What the fuck is that about?
Exactly.
Well...
Yeah, what is that about?
Vikings.
Right.
They were the Vikings, and that's what's left.
But is it that?
Are we talking about that, or are we talking about another race of human that's
even larger?
And if they found it, do they tell us?
Like, they tell us about certain...
They tell us about Denisovans, similar to us.
They tell us about Homo Julien, similar to us.
Just a little bit bigger.
Have they found a fucking four-foot skull?
Hmm.
Do they tell us?
Well, it's like...
There's, like, snippets, isn't there, from the black and white days, 1920s,
where the
Smithsonian kind of very quickly covered things up.
And, like, this is very much the Smiths.
They said they had giant bones.
Burned bones from a giant human.
Yeah, there seems to be.
And there's all these Native American stories about giant right-headed humans.
And, you know, in the burial mounds, supposedly.
But here's...
The thing is, like, this is the real question.
Would, if archaeologists stumbled upon a four-foot head, and they were under
the guidance of the
university, would they shut it down?
That's such a good question.
They would release it.
I am fascinated by the fact that I have to ask that question.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because I would assume that if archaeologists found...
Of course not, right?
Of course they would release it.
Yeah, yeah.
We have found evidence of a giant.
Like, a giant human being.
And this might be one, the first one we find.
It might have been a whole race of them that existed 20,000 years ago.
Yeah, I...
Would they tell us?
I don't know, Joe.
I don't know.
That's what's weird, is we don't know if they would tell us.
I don't know if they would tell us.
They might not.
The government might step in and say, you are not allowed.
Well, that's the thing, is it might supersede just academic circles and archaeology.
It might get a little bit more serious.
Why?
The implications of our ancient history and, you know, what exactly was taking
place.
I am fascinated by some areas that seem to have a level of kind of like theologic
reference to them.
So, you know, the Book of Enoch and the Watchers.
And they descend down on Mount Hermon in Baalbek, right?
So, that's Baalbek, which is Baalbek, the lord of the Beka Valley, and Baal,
the storm god,
like the one that everyone, you know, talks about, the sacrifices to Baal.
It's also the place that has these insane trillion stones.
I was just about to mention them.
Yeah, that's it.
The Trilithans.
The Trilithan stones.
800 to 1,000 tons.
800 to 1,000 tons apiece.
And they're not even laying on the ground.
No, they've been lifted up.
They've been lifted up quite significantly.
And this is the thing, man.
It's like, you know, somewhere like this, you've got this weird story about
this.
Basically, 30 miles away from there is Mount Hermon, where the Watchers
apparently came down from the sky.
Oh, fuck.
And then you've got these impossible blocks in this, and the quarry there as
well.
The quarry there, you have like the stone of the pregnant woman, which is like
1,250 tons.
And there's another one there that's like 1,500 tons.
Like, these were never fully excavated, but they're there getting ready, and
they've just been documented in situ.
But then, yeah, 300 meters up the road or less is the Temple of Jupiter, which,
again, mainstream academics will attribute to first century Romans.
But the first century Romans had like wooden pulleys and like little wooden cranes.
Like, this is insane.
This is an 800 to 1,000 ton block, three of them, that were lifted up.
I think it's like at least like 20 meters or something, you know.
But, Jamie, can you please show us a photo of it?
I always love looking at these.
Especially if you can find one with a human being standing in it, like Corsetti,
if he's like…
Yeah, this is a good one with Corsetti.
Like, it's phenomenal how big these are.
It's so crazy.
It freaks me out.
It's so crazy to think that they, what we believe, they use some sort of stone
tools or copper tools.
It's fucking stupid, man.
And pulleys.
It's stupid.
You get this in place, and you got it out of the quarry how?
Well, and then…
Yeah.
Oh, so that's a brilliant place.
That's Olliant and Tambo in Peru.
Fantastic area, which I'll be showing in my next episode of Ancient
Technologies.
It's the Trillium Stones.
Trilithin.
Trilithin.
I keep saying it wrong.
The Trilithin Stones.
It's the Trilithin Stones, yeah.
Baalbek.
And one of the interesting things that Corsetti was saying is like, that's not
even a place
where they take a lot of tourists to.
No.
Okay, so there it is.
So you see the person, and then look above how big those stones are.
This is not sensible to attribute to first century Romans.
No, go back to just the Lebanon ones.
That's it.
Yeah.
They are so big, man.
That one.
And then there's a good black and white one.
We see with the yellow.
Yeah, there you go.
There you go.
There you go.
There's two little dudes sitting on top of them.
Crazy.
Absolutely phenomenal.
And then, you know, the smaller blocks on top, that is first century Romans.
Absolutely.
Without a doubt.
There is obvious evidence.
But they built it on top of something else.
Yeah, they built it on top of an ancient, ancient foundation, which they were
not capable
of doing.
Probably a landing pad.
That's what so many people say that, you know.
Whenever I post, like, Eddie, it's like, there's a landing pad for the spaceships.
Let's make a dope landing pad for our ships.
But what's crazy about that as well, just a real quick aside, well, not even an
aside,
it's an addition to that, is that, okay, so the mainstream attributes is the
first century
Romans.
But then the Romans liked to brag about all the things they did.
And third century Romans bragged about the Lateran obelisk that's now sitting
in Rome.
And the Lateran obelisk is about 350 to 400 tons.
That's the heaviest recorded lift in Roman history.
These are 800 to 1,000 tons.
They never even mentioned them.
So it's weird that we attribute it to Romans.
But it's because we, within our model for history, we can't not, if we're going
to listen
to academics, right?
So you have to then invoke fringe theories.
I had Rep Luna on the podcast.
Oh, yeah.
And she was the one who really got me to read the Book of Enoch.
She's digging in.
Oh, yeah.
She's digging in.
She's all in on the UFOs.
I know she is.
I don't know what they tell her.
I mean, is she useful to them?
You know, the whole thing is weird.
Maybe.
Maybe.
It's hard to know.
But when I started reading it, now, if that was included in the Bible, if they
had, because
it really was rabbis that decided that it didn't jive with the Torah, right?
Right, right, right.
And so they said, no, no, no, this one's too crazy.
If that was in the Bible, and that's what we were taught.
Things would be different.
Do you remember, like, Sunday church, the watchers came down.
But meanwhile, that is in the same area of Qumran written down as the Book of
Isaiah.
So all these things that are included in the Bible, that's there.
It's all in the same world.
Why are we ignoring some of it?
Like, that's really crazy.
Why ignoring the stuff that seems the most kooky?
Again, I think that there's probably maybe disagreements because, I mean, you
know, there's so much change for the biblical canon from all of these different,
you know, councils, like the Council of Nicaea, all these different censorings
and changing of the Bible.
It's probably a personal issue.
It could be something as simple as just someone who personally did not believe
that.
It's like, that's bullshit.
Remove that.
That's not real.
There's no way there were giants.
But I love how at the beginning of the Bible, it's like, there were giants in
those times and the times before.
Yeah.
Anyway, moving on, never mention it again, like in any sort of real context
other than like, you know, David and Goliath in a few situations.
But no, I really am starting to wonder if there was a giant race that was on
this planet, dude.
I really do.
The Native American depictions alone.
Yeah.
There's too much story, too many stories of enormous men that they had to kill.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And their history, their oral tradition goes so far back.
Yeah.
I mean, imagine we're talking 10,000 people.
Now that we know that human beings lived in North America 22,000 plus years ago.
Right.
So the fossilized footprints that they found in New Mexico.
So that's 22,000 years.
So imagine if 22,000 years ago these things were a real thing.
How many of them have you found?
You haven't found any bones of humans from 22,000 years ago in North America,
have you?
No.
Right.
So why?
Exactly.
Does the Smithsonian have them, these motherfuckers?
If they really do have a giant down there?
I think they probably do, Joe.
Can you imagine?
Imagine if there's a tomb that you have to go into.
It's like a vault that cranks open the vault.
It's like the history version of Area 51.
You see a fucking head the size of this table, and you're like, what?
That's what we're dealing with.
That's what we're dealing with.
Yeah.
And we've got to kill them off.
Maybe.
Which totally makes sense.
Why would you let that motherfucker live?
Right.
You've got a 10-foot tall, 12-foot tall.
That's a problem.
Yeah.
2,000-pound human that eats people.
That is a problem.
I wonder, you know, I always get this, because the watchers themselves,
are never described as giant beings.
Right.
I wonder where the giant came into the equation genetically.
Well, isn't it us compared to them?
Maybe.
Let's look at this.
Maybe there were slight aliens, like alien greys or something.
Well, look at the description of the Nephilim, how they destroyed everything.
Yeah.
Like, they created this thing that consumed everything, destroyed everything,
including mankind.
Like, what does that sound like?
It sounds like us.
It sounds like us.
It sounds like us.
Right.
And also, like, you're saying mankind.
Like, mankind, what are you saying?
Are you saying aliens?
Are you saying, like, who wrote this?
Yeah.
Like, what is mankind?
For sure.
What does that term mean?
I bet you're not saying man.
I bet you're probably using an ancient language to describe whatever the
dominant force was at
the time that's writing all this down.
What are we talking about?
Yeah.
What is these watchers?
They mated with humans?
So what are they?
And they created something that destroyed everything?
What?
So, okay.
What is that?
What are you talking about?
And doesn't that sound exactly like humans?
Like, what do we do?
We fucking destroy everything.
Yeah.
We destroy everything.
We light things on fire.
We suck all the fish out of the ocean.
We throw our garbage in it.
We are so destructive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we're so consuming.
We consume, you know?
We're one of the only animals that dies because we eat too much.
Yeah.
Right, right.
Right?
We're one of the only animals.
Yeah.
Well, and we're one of the only, we are the only example on this planet of the
level of
intelligence that we have.
I mean, it's just phenomenal.
I mean, really quite phenomenal when you consider all of the various avenues of
evolution that
have been given the opportunity.
We have a massive leap.
Yeah.
Phenomenal leap.
But a leap that has to, in some way, have been intervened with, in my opinion.
I mean, it's such a quantum leap in our ability of cognition and the brain size.
I mean, I do find the stoned ape theory very interesting.
And, you know, the concept of using psychedelics.
And I think there's a role to play in that for sure.
But I just think that when you have such a novel trajectory change from every
other creature,
every other animal on this planet, that tells me that there is something
fundamentally accelerated
in humans.
And whether that can just be put down to shamanic use of psychedelics, I don't
know.
I think that when you invoke, again, all of these various theologic stories, it
becomes
clear that something was interfacing with us.
And perhaps at one point we were interfacing with them.
And there was a communication and a relation that has since long degraded after,
you know,
cataclysmic outreaches.
And, you know, I think the evolution that came out of psychedelics and
primitive man was
the escape from the barbaric nature of our roots.
Right, right, right.
I don't think it's necessarily the development of the human brain.
I think it's probably a way to also a way to use the human brain with its primate
background,
but soften the ego.
Right.
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
And endorse a feeling of community, like promote a feeling of community and
love and the
connectiveness that you get from psychedelics.
It will allow you to traverse the timelines between incredibly barbaric hunter-gatherers
with
stone-tip tools to agrarian societies where people are all living together and
cooperating.
And it makes sense.
But what doesn't make sense is the giant leap to being a human in the first
place.
No, no.
It's kooky.
It is kooky.
And it's in the Bible.
At least it's in the book of Enoch.
It's there.
That's the crazy part about it is that they literally describe what we're, and
not just
us, like many people have theorized, like, have we been a product, are we a
product of genetic
manipulation?
Are we a product of accelerated evolution?
Well, again, my own experiences, I just feel like there is quite obviously a
vast intelligence
spectrum out there, in my opinion.
And I think it goes beyond our own perception of space and time.
And I think that there are likely things that can come in from, you know,
realms that we just
don't really believe are real, like the astral and, you know, even the realm of
the imagination
is an interesting thing.
What is this place inside of our heads that we can instantaneously create
anything we want
and all things, including everything on this table, once came from inside
someone's mind?
Like, we are excretors of ideas into reality.
We kind of render reality into something that nothing else does.
And I think that there is a spark within us that speaks to what people would
call a divine spark,
for sure.
And maybe that is a divine spark.
Maybe it's a highly intelligent race that intervened and gave us that spark.
But we are entirely different.
And I do think that as we begin to get deeper and deeper into kind of the
physics of our reality
and our fundamental connection to it, we start realizing that our physiology,
our body is
like an antenna.
It's like a technology.
It's an instrument for picking up on signals and perhaps even consciousness
itself.
I don't know if you're familiar with microtubules and the orchestrated
objective reduction theory
by Stuart Hamroff and Sir Roger Penrose.
How many times do you bring that up to people and they go, oh, yeah, I know
what you're talking
about.
Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about.
Well, I hang out with some weird fucking people, but I just thought it might
have come
up.
I definitely have heard Duncan Trussell say to you, microtubules, man.
Yes.
Microtubules.
No, so I did an interview with an anesthesiologist called Stuart Hamroff, and
him and Sir Roger Penrose
developed a model called the Orchestrated Objective Reduction Theory, or OR,
looking at microtubules,
which are these tiny helical structures inside our neurons.
And I forget the exact metric, but it's something ridiculous, like 10,000 microtubules
per neuron.
So it's just, you know, this incredible architecture of these tiny little helical
structures that
apparently are so small that they interact with quantum vibrations in fields.
That's how fine and tiny they are.
And the reason I bring this up is because I think that we're getting deeper now
with things
like the ORCO-R theory into looking at the structures within humanity that
actually seem
to be receiving nodes or receptive nodes for energy that could then be
translated into consciousness.
The whole idea of, are we generating consciousness from our brain or are we
receiving consciousness
and we're just a conduit for it?
And I think the evidence is getting a little bit more clearer that we're a
conduit.
And I just wonder if that's evolution naturally or if that's, you know,
interaction from these
others that have come and meddled with our genealogy.
It's a good question that we'll have to ponder when I come back from peeing.
You do that.
Let's...
Yeah.
We'll pause.
No worries.
All right.
Well, Jamie brought something up, which is a really interesting video that I
took when
I was out in Saqqara in Egypt, again, with Jeffrey Drum.
He was taking me through.
And yeah, this is an awesome place.
So just for context, before we play it, yeah, take it back to the beginning.
This is inside the Pyramid of Yunas in Saqqara.
And this is deep down inside of it, inside what they call the burial chamber.
Now you see all of these, you know, amazing Arabic artwork that's been quite,
you know, relatively
crudely scratched in.
Now you see that glow?
That's actually calcite crystal.
And that's limestone.
Now the entire back of this chamber, like this wall, the back wall, the other
wall, and
the ceiling and the floor is made out of a slab of calcite crystal.
But what's really interesting about this is that when you take a flashlight and
you put
it in a certain angle on this wall, something very interesting appears.
Boom.
Huh.
An otherwise invisible etching of an individual.
You can see the navel, the belly button, and the arms.
And this is completely invisible until you get that flashlight.
Now these have been actually smoothed, oh, there we go, promo for my episode.
But these have actually been smoothed into the calcite crystal itself.
And then obviously these Aramaic writings and pictographs have been scratched
on afterwards.
So clearly this is the original artwork of this chamber.
But it's not perceptible without a very specific angle of light that creates
the shadows.
And these are on the other side of the wall as well.
I think in this clip maybe he doesn't show it.
But very, very strange.
Now this entire pyramid is acoustically profound.
I mean, the acoustics inside of this are unbelievable.
The amount of echo that you get.
And the entire Saqqara site, we went around it.
And I mean, my God, it's a weird site, man.
You've got, again, just incredibly huge slabs of rose quartz granite.
And there's one area that's like on the other side of the pyramid, not even
near the entrance, which is just this huge portcullis made of granite with
interlocking pieces where clearly another piece of stone was slipped between
them.
But this is nowhere even connected to the pyramid infrastructure.
And they don't say anything about it.
Strewn across this entire place, you've got huge blocks of granite with drill
holes in them.
You can see the striation marks going all the way through them.
And his opinion, Jeffrey's, and I think there's merit to it because in Cairo
Museum, there's a little cabinet of laboratory equipment like jugs and apothecary
bottles that were recovered from Saqqara,
including a little plate.
There's like a little plaque.
This wasn't included.
This is put into the actual exhibition, but it's tucked into the corner of Cairo
Museum.
You have to find it and you have to really look for it.
And there's a little plaque saying that the area of Saqqara was a laboratory.
And again, like this completely contradicts all of the things that they say
about ancient Egypt, but it's in the Cairo Museum.
It's literally written as the ancient laboratory of Saqqara.
And so, you know, what's going on there?
Why is there a contradiction like that that's being acknowledged?
And it's truly just an incredible place with these shadow figures and the
acoustic resonance of the site, the rose granite.
So why do you think that it was originally these carvings were in the wall and
then they wrote on it afterwards?
Well, I think it's just another case of a later civilization coming across an
incredibly amazing place and carving on it.
Maybe they didn't even see these figures because you have to have a very
specific type of light to actually be able to see them.
You have to get it at that angle.
You can't detect by looking at it that there's some variation.
I mean, you can see when you actually know what you're looking for, but barely
anything.
It's like really hard to perceive.
So maybe they didn't even know that these things were down there when they went.
There's another part of this when you're going through the chambers where it's
rose granite, rose granite, and then plaster where you've got hieroglyphics put
on the top.
And you can actually see the plasters kind of bleeding off into the rose granite.
So it feels like they found it, they slapped some hieroglyphs on it, they put
their own veneration around it, but it was not an original structure of the
Egyptians, once again, a place that they found and settled around.
But it's just weird that in the Cairo Museum you have this tiny little shelf
full of beakers and measuring jug type things, and it says the lab complex of
Saqqara.
It just doesn't make any sense in comparison to what they're trying to tell us
is the reality of this place.
So that's weird.
It's all weird.
It's all weird.
Yeah, that's why the bottleneck of talking about this stuff is so infuriating.
It's the same place, by the way, we have the Serapium, you know, the 80-ton
boxes that are precision marble top, the ones that Christopher Dunn went down
into and was like, these have been machined.
Yeah, let's pull up a photo of those, please.
They're strange.
It's like, what do you think they were doing with those things?
What was the purpose?
Well, you know what's interesting is-
What was the drill?
They were, um, so these things are absolutely incredible, and there's a few
questions with this.
One, if you go onto that image, zoom out, just go to that image on the right
where you've got the entrance, just the entrance into the, yeah, this one here.
So this is, you know, this is the entrance into the Serapium, or the Serapium,
however you want to pronounce it.
It's a subterranean labyrinth, and these corridors are extremely small.
There's actually a half-finished, um, a half-finished one sitting in the middle
of a corridor, and you can kind of really get a scope for the size.
But these are 70 tonne, but these are 70 to 80 ton granite sarcophagi.
Uh, they attribute it to the Apis bulls.
They say that there was a, you know, a cult around this region that venerated
the Apis bulls, and that these were burial chambers for the Apis bulls.
But, you know, the, you know what's funny about that is the only, the only
thing that they have to evidence this is no, no bones of bulls or anything like
that.
What they have is a single hieroglyph on one of these, um, one of these boxes
of a bull.
That's it.
They have a hieroglyph with a bull on it, and that's why they attribute it to
the Apis bulls, regardless of the fact that these are precision carved 80 to,
you know, 70 to 80 tonne granite marble top smoothed boxes with even more
precision inside.
They're even more precise on the inside, which is strange.
You wouldn't necessarily need them to be that precise if they're just funerary
boxes, but the precision is actually more impressive internally than it is
externally.
And, um...
How long would it take to make one of those?
My God, man.
Here's the question.
Make it, move it, put it in place.
Make it, move it, put it in place.
That bull's long dead.
Let it go.
Let it go, dude.
That bull would have been dead for years by the time you finish that thing.
That's crazy.
These things are nuts, man.
Absolutely nuts.
There's so many...
This is one of the big things that Christopher Dunn saw and was just like, nah,
nah.
There's just no way.
Look at the people standing next to those stones.
I've been inside one of these.
That someone moved it there and then put that other one on top of it.
Unbelievable.
When?
Who?
How?
Yeah.
And again, like, you know...
To say that's not a mystery is nuts.
It is nuts.
And also, if you go on that image where there's shining a light and someone's
leaning on it on, like, the right-hand side.
Yeah, that one there.
So many of these, the boxes themselves are so precise, but the actual writing
is extremely crude.
It's been scratched on.
It's basically just been scratched on.
And a lot of them, it kind of feels like, as a lot of these pharaohs did, they
just went and slapped a cartouche on it.
I own this.
This is mine.
And so, you know, the exterior work contradicts the advancement of the actual
box itself.
It doesn't make sense.
There's only one in here that's actually got 3D, actual carved-in artwork, and
that one actually does make sense.
But these ones are all chicken scratch.
It's just been scratched on.
Of course.
Which is what people do.
Which is what people do.
There's, I mean, a lot of history of human beings doing that to ancient things.
Yeah.
If you've got that third image, actually, that's an interesting image because
you've got these, oh, such low quality.
That's a shame.
But you can actually see these dimples where they've smoothed out the stone.
And what's weird about this is that, so if these were funerary boxes, you would
expect the external to be the most impressive because that's what people are
going to see, right?
But instead, you actually have a lot of malformation on the boxes.
And one of the theories about this, and this is something that, there we go, it's
a good example of this.
One of the theories about this is one that Jeffrey Drum brought up for me, is
that whatever was going on inside of these cases, the exterior had to have
absolutely zero.
Zero critical imperfections.
So any cracks, anything that was problematic would have been dissolved out,
smoothed away.
And you have this weird kind of dimpling on a lot of these.
And somewhere you can actually see a crack where the crack's been removed and
it's been kind of smoothed out.
And then inside, it's like 90 degree, just perfect.
And so it just kind of contradicts the idea of it being for the, you know, a
funerary purpose.
You'd expect the outside to be absolutely perfect and beautiful, but it's not.
It's all kind of mal-shaped and as if they were trying to remove any sort of
cracks, anything that could cause a structural problem.
And then inside, they're perfect.
So it does make me wonder about the real purpose behind these.
Why are you assuming that it would be cracks?
Why wouldn't it just be that they didn't have a need to finish the top of it?
Because some of them-
You know, like finish carpentry?
Well, some of them are finished quite profoundly.
And then you have others that have got these big dimples in them where it just
looks like they were trying to remove anything that might have been a critical,
like, damage to the structure.
Obviously, this is guesswork.
Right.
But the purpose of that would be to keep it from cracking all the way through.
To keep it from cracking all the way through.
I just find it very interesting that the inside is more impressive than the
outside for something that's meant to be, you know, viewed as a funerary box.
Right.
An enormous funerary box.
An enormous funerary box.
Does anybody have a wacky, far-out theory of what they were actually for?
I mean, there's always some.
I mean, one of them that I find interesting is the idea that it could be, like,
some form of, like, a sound bath, like an isolatory chamber where they would go
into and have, like, some form of experiences.
You've got to count on someone to move that fucking thing?
You know, there's such a strong evidential trail of acoustic sciences in the
ancient past,
especially archaeoacoustics in terms of the actual architecture itself.
Like the pyramids, they're designed to resonate.
Like, one of the most, sorry.
One of the most interesting places that I've been to in terms of looking at the
acoustics of places as well is Malta, the island of Malta.
And the island of Malta is very interesting because when the Bronze Age
settlers from Sicily and other areas of Italy came over to Malta for the first
time, they discovered an island that was absolutely littered with megalithic
sites.
And Malta has got the highest concentration of megalithic sites in the world.
But there were no people.
They're all gone.
No one knows who they were.
It was just a land full of these incredible megalithic temples.
And one in particular called the Hypergeum of Halsephaliene.
Now, the Hypergeum is fascinating, dude.
It's a subterranean huge, huge temple that was discovered by road workers.
And they were literally just chipping away at the road and then it collapsed in
and they find this huge, what they call a necropolis because they found
hundreds of skeletons down here.
This thing is incredible.
This is all carved out of the limestone and it is a overlapping geometric
series of chambers that is so obviously acoustically tuned that if you actually,
if you wanted to search Hypergeum acoustics,
it will come up with studies where they've noticed that this is absolutely a
deliberately acoustically tuned complex.
Go on the actual website, not images.
That's an interesting one.
Whether or not it's entirely accurate, someone's comparing the Hypergeum to the
human ear.
Specifically because of the fact that this place absolutely is acoustically
tuned to resonate between 110 and 115 hertz,
which is the bandwidth to activate certain brain states like alpha and theta
brain, where you can get into more meditative states of consciousness.
And only 20% of this site is accessible to the public.
70% of it's locked off.
And they treat it like a skiff.
They take your phone.
They take your camera.
You can't bring any audio recording devices into it.
Nothing.
Very curated tour for like, you know, 30 minutes and then out.
Why is 70% of it locked off?
That's a great question.
They say it's for preservation of the site because it's such a delicate Neolithic.
It's prehistoric.
They believe it's prehistoric.
And again, this speaks to what was going on in prehistory because this is an
acoustically profound series of chambers
that have been carved out of the limestone bedrock by people that we attribute
bone antler tools to.
You know, chipping away at it with bone antler tools and they made something as
profound.
So when you say prehistoric, what are you talking about?
Well, they dated to, I think, about 5,000 years ago.
About five.
Yeah.
What?
Mainstream.
Mainstream.
What?
Mainstream.
Yeah, yeah.
Carved.
Carved.
Carved out of the bedrock.
Out of the bedrock.
Out of the bedrock.
It's a huge, huge thing.
And what's even weirder about it, Joe, is that they found all these elongated
skulls at the bottom of it.
And I've seen one personally.
I went to the Museum of Valletta in Malta and saw one of these elongated skulls.
What's very interesting about these skulls is that they actually lack the sagittal
suture that we have going down the back of the head.
So, you know, we have this sagittal suture which pushes the growth plates
together as you come through the birth canal.
Not that one.
But the third one, sorry, the fourth one, that one, and then there's other
images which are, actually, the one below it where you've got skulls recovered
from the hypergeum.
Yeah, so this is the elongated skull.
It's only got the horizontal suture, no vertical suture, which is what all
humans have, a vertical sagittal suture.
Now, apparently, hundreds of elongated skulls were discovered in the hypergeum,
but only a couple of them are on display in Valletta.
And I've got a couple of friends who are in, have you heard of the Knights of
Malta?
No.
It's a kind of a secret order, a bit like Freemasonry.
Oh, boy.
It's spawned from the Vatican.
The Vatican basically threw these people into Malta and said, fuck off and go
do your weird stuff over there.
But now it's a very connected, you know, kind of like with the Vatican order,
the Knights of Malta, very powerful, a very powerful group, very much in the
geopolitical world stage.
And a friend of mine who's within that was like, yeah, they bring out this book
once a year in the Valletta Museum.
And it's detailing the skulls of the hypergeum and apparently tells a story of
how the locals would throw bodies down there because there are beings down
there that they wanted to prevent from coming up to the surface.
And this is the strange thing is the hypergeum is full of normal human bodies,
hundreds, not buried with respect, but just piled down there.
And then also elongated skulls.
And the story is, according to this very ancient book that they bring out and
put out once a year, you have to be lucky to catch it.
It apparently describes that they were using this as a place to discard bodies,
to prevent these creatures from coming up to the surface.
So they were feeding them?
Feeding them.
Feeding them.
So when people would die, they would just throw them down that hole?
Or were people who were bad people?
Maybe, yeah, yeah, throw them down that hole to...
So these elongated skull things were eating people?
Well, that's, you know, the connections we might make from that kind of connotation
from these books.
But that's certainly something that is rolled out in the Valletta Museum once a
year if you get to go there and see it.
Is that like an ancient version of Scientology?
Did somebody make all this up?
Dude, I don't know.
But, well, I mean, in terms of...
It's very strange that there's that many human skeletons down there.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, they did find a profound amount of them, which is why the mainstream
labels it as a necropolis.
But there's no burial respect being done.
It was just piles of bodies.
Like, piles of bodies, dude.
And, again, it's just so profound.
So this is called the Oracle Room?
Yes, the Oracle Room.
Yeah.
This is where the sound concentrates.
The acoustics concentrates.
The description I found here, these two paragraphs, I guess.
It's going to be a little long, but it's not that long.
During testing, a deep male voice tuned to these frequencies stimulated a
resonance phenomenon
throughout the hypogeum, creating bone-chilling effects.
It was reported that the sounds echoed for up to eight seconds.
Meteorologist Fernando Coimbra said that he felt the sound crossing his body at
high speed, leaving
a sensation of relaxation.
When it was repeated, the sensation returned, and he also had the illusion that
the sound was
reflected from his body to the ancient red ochre paintings on the walls.
One can only imagine the experience in antiquity, standing in what must have
been somewhat odorous, dark, and listening to ritual chant while low light
flickered over the bones of one's departed loved ones.
Holy shit.
Yeah, dude.
Might have felt like what drugs do to us.
Yeah.
Oh, so they made a drug house.
He goes on to state, yeah, under right circumstances, ancient populations were
able to obtain different
states of consciousness without the use of drugs or chemical substances.
Or maybe in coordination with.
This is the Monroe Institute of Applied Sciences and Binaural Beats, way, way
before we were around.
This is the original, it's called psychoacoustic architecture.
The idea that ancient architecture is designed in a way to propagate acoustics
that affect the human brain.
Now imagine, this is 5,000 years ago, and where did you learn that from?
Right.
How did you do that?
Did you fail?
Right.
Did you learn?
What's the science?
And another interesting.
How do you know?
Element is, there are a lot of temple sites in Malta that look weirdly similar
to Newgrange in Ireland.
And Newgrange is another psychoacoustic temple, if you want to call it a temple.
It's a huge mound, if you look it up.
But within it, they've done, again, acoustic studies, and it propagates infrasound,
sound below the threshold of human hearing.
And that's the stuff that reverberates through your chest cavity, through your
bone structure.
That's what that guy is describing.
It's infrasonic sound.
You know when you're like...
This is it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then there's a...
How old's that?
Oh, again, Neolithic.
I don't know the exact date, but it's Neolithic.
And these spiral patterns are in the hypergeum.
Those spiral patterns are in the hypergeum, in red ochre.
This is Ireland.
The same structure.
That's very famous Irish.
This, by the way, is incredible, because it's completely singular.
There's no break in the line.
That's a very hard piece of geometry to actually create at the time, as well.
It's extremely complex, because all of this feeds into itself.
There's no break in that line.
It's a very complex geometry.
But that same type of geometry is also found in the hypergeum, and it's found
in red ochre
on the painting, these swirling kind of motifs.
So it's very interesting.
You have these weird correlations between places that were separated by entire
oceans in Neolithic
time.
Do you think that represents sound waves?
Yes.
Yeah, I think it's about the flow of acoustics, the flow of movement and sound.
And that was perhaps their interpretation, or perhaps they had a visual hallucination
that
gave them the idea of it being this kind of like swirling pattern.
But yeah, I find this.
Yeah, this is Ireland.
And there's just some striking similarities between places like this and places
in Malta.
So again, it just leads into the idea that there was perhaps a globally
maritime-connected
civilization that was using these psychoacoustic attributions in sites to
produce novel effects
of consciousness, you know, inducing brain hemisphere synchronization, just
like they're
trying to do in my ass with the CIA.
And here's the real question.
How did they learn how to do that?
How did they learn how to do that?
And how long did it take before you figured out how to carve that out of a
mountain?
Yeah, exactly.
You know, these are the questions that are absolutely not being answered by our
understanding
of history.
These are the, you know, the red ochre, the more rough ones are the ones in the
Hypogeum.
Incredibly old.
Also, also a very good, yeah, like, it's nuts.
Other cultures have that as well, right?
Those spirals?
Yeah, yeah.
That's what I mean.
So that right there is also in Newgrange, in Ireland, like, pretty much the
same.
Right, but not just those two places.
There's some other places in the world.
The swirling motif is one of the oldest.
I mean, it is one of the oldest.
You know, it's everywhere.
But the implication of it being about sound is very interesting when you find
it represented
in places that are absolutely acoustically tuned from pre-history.
Weird.
Yeah, dude.
Like, you know, it's weird.
There's another one in Peru called Chavin de Huanta, which is a, there's a
temple built
above it.
This is another thing that you find.
I mean, this one in Malta, they haven't done this, but you do definitely seem
to find layering,
like Gunan Padang in Indonesia, where you have like the original structure
below and people
are just piling up on top of it over time.
So in Chavin de Huanta in Peru, you have this amazing temple site, but below
ground is
a labyrinth of corridors that also propagate acoustics to the point where it
brings up infrasound.
So below this is an infrasonic laboratory, essentially, of labyrinthian
passages that were used for
ritual acoustics.
And they actually found inside of this conch shells that had been purposefully
re-engineered
to produce a new harmonic when blown into them.
Like they had actually changed them into a different type.
So they'd go in the acoustic chambers and blow the conch shells.
And someone would obviously be walking through this, perhaps as a form of rite
of passage.
Could you imagine going back in time and seeing what these fucking people were
up to?
I really want to.
Just being a fly on the wall.
I wish we could.
Yeah.
So, you know, it's not incredibly profound stonemasonry, but it does produce
infrasonic
reverberation.
They have proven that and looked it up.
And yeah, the conch shells were found there that have got all of these designs
on them
and have been purposefully changed to produce a different sound.
So there is a clear lineage of acoustic science way before acoustic science was
acoustic science,
you know, at least to our terms.
So it brings up big questions.
And the fact that it was influencing consciousness.
I think that we just had an incredibly intelligent but shamanically orientated
society at one point.
You know, we were using our human ingenuity, but we were using it to create
effects more
spiritually aligned than anything else.
And, you know, these are all chambers for inducing expanded states of
consciousness.
The real question, though, is what technology were they utilizing for the
construction?
That's the real question, especially when you get to the megalithic stuff.
Yeah.
What were they doing?
Like, what is this?
Because this is not what we're saying it is.
There's no way this is stone tools.
There's no way this is copper.
This is something nutty.
Well, that's why the nubs are interesting, because it almost seems like the
stone was being softened.
And perhaps, like, you know, if you were pulling a spoon out of hot toffee, you'd
get that pullback, right?
You'd get, like, a little kind of protrusion that came out of it.
Wouldn't you want to smooth that down, though?
But they do, and then they don't.
That's what's really weird about it, especially in Peru.
Peru has so many stone nubs.
Like, there's a place in Peru called the Coricancha, which is, like, the kind
of main temple in Cusco, the Sun Temple.
And, you know, these precision, there's various layers of architecture in Peru,
albeit it's all being attributed to the Inca, which is weird.
Rough cut stonework.
Then the weird megalithic kind of smushed together stones.
Then you have what's called Ashlar stonework, which is where it's like a bunker.
If you look at the, it's spelt with a Q, Q-O-R-I-K-A-N-C-H-A, Coricancha.
If you look it up, like, and look in, yeah, so you have to go inside it, really,
to really get this, the bunkers inside of it.
Look at the wall on the outside, actually, real quick, before you do that.
If you click on one of these images and just enlarge it.
The first one's probably the best one.
Yeah, so that's Ashlar stonework, that bottom bit.
That is original.
This was built by the conquistadors, right?
The rest of it's been built up by the conquistadors from Spain.
But this original stonework is also represented inside with these incredible
bunkers.
So if you type in, like, bunker, it's got, yeah, like, this image here, like,
the level of precision on these is absolutely phenomenal.
I mean, we're talking just complete, precise, fitting stones, not globular,
like Sacsayhuaman, like marshmallows, but just precise blocks, like these bunkers
here, yeah, like down here.
This is all original work, and then they built a, you know, a Spanish-inspired
temple over the top of it.
So what you're asserting is that this was here first?
Yes, yeah, yeah, this stuff, it was here first.
Like, this stuff was absolutely here first.
And if you look up, there's a little nub, a little stone nub right at the top
there.
And they, but some of these walls have, like, ten nubs on them, like one here,
one here, one here, and then there's none.
So it's like they were smoothing out some of them, leaving others.
Some have speculated that it's a form of language, because in Peru, the Inca,
do you know what the Inca language was?
They're like written language.
It was called Kipu.
And it wasn't written.
It was pieces of string with knots on them in different colors.
That was, that was the historical language.
So it was literally like a line of different strings, different lengths,
different colors with little knots in them, which corresponded to data.
And most of this was lost by the Spanish conquistadors, because they went over
there and was like, burn this shit, burn this pagan nonsense.
Yeah, this is, this was their language.
Oh, my God.
This was their language.
And it just made me wonder, obviously, this is a complete guess, but it just
made me wonder if, like, the stone nubs are stone kipu.
Is it a stone version with all these different nubs on different places and
different areas?
Because it just feels like, especially in the Kori Kansha, which is a temple,
it's a regal temple, why would you leave the nubs on?
Like you said, why wouldn't they smooth these down?
So it's almost like it's, it's meant to tell us something and they're left in
very specific areas.
Then in Peru, you get stone nubs protruding straight out of bedrock.
That's what weirds me out, is that it's not just on the crafted stones, but
like a sheer rock face that's been obviously kind of quarried down by some
unknown technique without any chisel marks, just straight.
And then you have like a group of nubs coming out of the stone.
So Peru is, is just full of contradictory architecture.
And I think that, you know, the Spanish went over there and they saw places
like Sacsayhuaman and they attribute it to the Inca.
You know, they attribute it to the Inca.
The Inca, the Andean shamans say it's not the Inca.
You know, the Inca themselves to the Spanish conquistadors said, we found these
places.
But we take the words of the Spanish conquistadors and we apply it to our
knowledge set and we teach that.
And it's just like I was saying to you before, we're basing so much of our
history off of like the word of people from like the 1800s, when clearly we're
seeing contradictions of that.
Even in, as Graham Hancock would certainly say, the oral traditions of the
local region, the people are saying differently.
But we're listening to the foreigners who went over there and destroyed things
and burnt things and burnt the Kipu and went back and taught us what their
civilization is all about.
It doesn't make any sense.
Wow.
But yeah, Peru's fascinating, dude.
Peru's one of the most interesting places I've ever been.
And has it had the same level of discovery of...
Not like Egypt.
No?
No.
I mean, like there are areas in Peru.
In fact, shout out to my friend Raul Bilecki from Pillars of the Past.
He's a guy who's out there in Peru, literally just going out into the middle of
nowhere.
He's found pyramid sites in the middle of nowhere that have absolutely zero
recording, no excavation, no study, no name.
Just they don't exist in the record.
But they're out there in the middle of nowhere in Peru.
And so like Peru has...
How many?
He found a pretty impressive complex, actually.
He found a pretty impressive complex.
He's got videos of it, like drone footage.
So it's one of the places where you could actually still be a real explorer and
find things for the first time.
If you want to go off into the Andean Mountains, like he's finding stuff in the
Andean, high up in the mountains, that nobody's documented.
Like nobody's seeing it.
He's a real, you know, real adventurer.
But it just proves that, yeah, like you said, there are still places like this
where you can do discovery.
That's nuts.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Peru's.
That is really nuts.
And then obviously you have the Amazon rainforest and like, you know, all of
the things that could be in there through LiDAR.
We're already seeing so much geometry, so much evidence that there was a
massive amount of civilization going on in that jungle.
So, you know, this is, you know, getting very interesting to me.
And again, this weird climatological stability through the last glacial maximums,
the Younger Dryas, this period of about 6,000 years where they had access to
development without being disturbed.
So, you know, you have these incredible anti-seismic, anti-earthquake, megalithic
structures in Peru using materials that they shouldn't have been able to use,
using multi-ton stones.
That's an interesting area, although I will say that it's made out of tuff,
which is volcanic rock, very easy to cut because it's actually compressed ash.
So that's a really cool place.
But it's not as mind-blowing in terms of how they cut the rock because it's
extremely soft rock.
So this is doable.
This is doable.
This is doable.
But there are other things.
In fact, if we could, could you go on my YouTube channel real quick?
This is, there's an area in Saxa-Waman, which has got, there's a diorite outcrop,
which is an incredibly hard stone.
There's a measurement of hardness scale that goes up to 10 with diamond being
the hardest.
And diorite sits at about 6.5 to 7 out of 10, whereas bronze sits at 3 to 3.5
out of 10.
So, you know, there's a discrepancy with the hardness of the material to start
with.
Yeah, so there's, if you go back to the beginning of it, sorry, I wish I could
see the screen.
It's going to be difficult, I think.
Keep it playing, though.
I'll talk about this and it will come up in a moment, I'm sure.
But all across Peru, you have these incredibly precise cuts into bedrock with
very little evidence of any sort of chisel marks
and no real understanding of how they were able to excavate it.
You know, these incredible just voids into the rock.
But there's one area in particular, this is just the beginning of my video,
but there's one area in particular in Saxa-Waman, which is this gigantic,
in fact, you could probably just type it in if you typed in Saxa-Waman diorite
steps or something like that.
Saxa-Waman is not the easiest word.
I know, S-A-Q, S-A-Q, S-A-Y, Saxa-Waman, W-A-M-A-N.
Yeah, Saxa-Waman, diorite steps, diorite spelt, sorry, mate.
Diorite.
Yeah, D-I-O-R-I-T-E.
Damn it.
It's all right, brother.
But, I mean, like, I think we're actually getting.
I just, I'm trying to listen while I'm typing and it's not.
No, I know, that's all right, dude.
But, yeah, so, yes, yes, that's the one.
So, this is diorite.
This is incredibly hard stone.
To give some context, you know, the stones at Saxa-Waman are extremely
impressive,
but they are made of limestone, a little bit softer, a bit more workable.
This is impossible.
If you can find a HD, I've got a 4K video of this.
Like, that's why I wanted to see it in that video.
But if you can find a HD image, it's shined like a marble top.
Like, these are just precision cut into this huge outcrop of diorite,
which they actually believe was a magma burst.
So, a huge blob of magma came bursting out of the ground and formed into this
huge stone mound
that's adjacent to Saxa-Waman.
And you've got cuts like this where it's just insanely perfect.
And this is not possible with a Bronze Age tool kit.
This, to me, is actually more interesting in some ways than Saxa-Waman itself
because it's just a complete contradiction of the Bronze Age tools.
You shouldn't be able to do that on diorite.
Yeah, it's wild.
I mean, how long did that take?
And it's smoothed down to a point where it's, like, shiny.
And what did they do?
And what's the purpose of it?
Why?
And there's all these weird little cuts.
The amount of effort involved in doing something like that.
Yeah, there's all these weird little cuts into the stone like that.
And across Peru, you just find, like, you know, these voids where it's just,
like,
a 90-degree cut into stone with perfect finish and no sign of chiseling.
And the weird thing is the back is smooth, too.
And the back is also smooth.
So, how did you get it out of there?
Dude, this is the thing, man.
I just find that so, like, fascinating.
This is what really fascinates me.
It clearly seems like there's a lost technology.
Yeah, yeah.
These ancient people had figured something out.
They probably existed for thousands of years.
They were probably really advanced just in a different pipeline.
Yeah.
They went in a different highway.
I will say this, and I'm sure you'll be happy that I'm bringing him up.
There is one guy out there who's trying his best to prove how they were liquefying
stone and then bringing it back.
And I only know his X handle, which is FOMAHUN, like F-O-M-A-H-U-N.
I can't remember his actual name, but I've been talking to him.
I'm thinking of actually going out to visit him and film him doing this.
But he's been demonstrating making teddy bear casts of rose granite and things
like this.
And for a long time, he wasn't revealing how he was doing it.
So I kind of just was like, whatever, dude.
Like, I don't think that you're actually doing this.
But he's now actually revealed his secret ingredient, which is a slaked lime.
Like, this slaked lime, which was very easy to make for them.
And water glass, which, again, is something that they could have made.
I don't know the science behind this, to be fair.
So I'm just going to briefly say that I think he's got some provocative ideas
here.
Because he's actually adding, like, this water glass and slaked lime to, like,
you know, mixed up compounds of granite or limestone, like, crushed up granite,
crushed up limestone, adding the slaked lime, adding the water glass.
And then it's solidifying into solid granite, like, within six hours.
What?
Yeah.
And he's got, like, literal, like, teddy bear casts and, like, you know,
different, like, cookie cutter casts of solid granite.
And so there's a potential that it's really simple, but totally been overlooked.
You know, it's just using the right compounds, the right components, and the
right stone mixture.
Again, how do they learn this?
But, you know, it's not definitive.
But he's one of the only people I've seen that's actually presented actual
evidence that could explain how they were doing this.
And it's relatively simple ingredients.
That would account for some things, correct?
Some things, yes.
The problem is the enormous, okay, so this guy.
Yeah, so he's, I think so.
If you go up and make sure he's actually the right person.
Yes, yes, there we go, Marcel Foti.
Brilliant idea to create artificial granite with nothing as an additive to
water glass, the latter being the glue between original granite grains.
Why?
Because I realize we need full transparency in order to clearly see the
original granite grains like quartz.
We need a fake quartz as a binder.
Well, nothing did not work because the outside layer prevented the thing to get
hard inside.
Oh, well, nothing did not work, I guess.
I don't know how you're saying that.
Yeah.
Now, what we're seeing is made with a secret additive.
Sleek line.
Let's call it almost nothing that did not change the transparency of the water
glass but forced it to set from the inside.
So remember, this is the wannabe binder only of artificial granite, not granite
itself.
It's very interesting and he's revealed that it's slaked lime, this secret
ingredient.
For a while he wasn't saying what it is and now he said it's slaked lime.
So I'm actually going to go out to, he lives in Budapest, I'm going to go out
to Budapest and actually film him doing this to see if he's, you know, right
about this.
He's actually, I think, one of the originators of the whole natron theory,
which I haven't dived too deep into, but it's one of the explanations behind
melting the stone.
So I started paying more attention to him once I was in Peru and he was
messaging me saying, you know, this is what I think is going on here as they
were using these ingredients to melt the stone, well, to solidify crushed up
stone and create molds.
My issue.
Yeah.
One issue I do.
How'd they crush up the stones?
That seems like it'd be harder than moving them.
Maybe using harder rocks, like, you know, just like smash, smash.
But yeah, exactly.
You need to, I mean, how much stone smashing would you need to do to create Sacsayhuaman
and all these areas?
80 tons of smashed?
Plus, plus every single block is different.
You'd be talking about millions of molds.
Like if we were talking about molds here, then every single block is completely
different.
So you need an individual mold for each one.
So yeah, compelling idea.
Does it answer it?
No.
Nothing ever seems to fully answer it, but it's, you know, compelling that he's
trying to actually find a way to solidify the stone and it seems to be working.
Whether it explains all of it, I don't know.
But there's certainly a lot of people that will say that, you know, this is the
definitive explanation behind it.
I don't think that.
The thing that these amazing sites have in common is that they are so
spectacular, no one really has a logical explanation.
It's one of the coolest things about the most ancient of sites is that it
forces you to go, wait, wait, wait, even the best people don't.
Defies probability.
Yeah.
It defies probability.
It's truly, truly fascinating, man.
It was a national project.
So simple.
I get it now.
Yeah, I know, man.
Like that's the thing is like, you know, this outdated kind of dismissal of
everyone on the outside of the academic.
Yeah, gatekeeping.
You know, he wants to say he's not a gatekeeper.
He clearly is.
It's not yours, buddy.
Did you know he came through the Edgar Cayce Foundation?
Wonderful.
He did.
Zahiawas originated in the Edgar Cayce Foundation, so he got funded.
And weirdly enough, he was actually quite pro these ideas until about the mid-90s.
So there's like a 1993 quote from him at a university in Cairo where he was
saying something along the lines of,
there are tunnels underneath the Sphinx that lead down into greater structures.
And when we truly understand this, we will understand the real builders of the
pyramids.
That was the last time he said anything close to that.
Post-1993, about 1993, maybe 96.
But after that, complete polar opposite 90-degree change.
I wonder what happened to Zahi.
Who knows?
I don't understand why if you really want that place to get more money, more
tourism, more people interested in it.
Say it's an Atlantic structure.
More funding and research, right?
Well, I mean, just be open to all of these people that are like yourself and
like Graham Hancock.
Why wouldn't you not be open to these people and their ideas?
Like, they're clearly very well-versed.
Like Ben Van Kirkwijk.
Oh, yeah, he's brilliant.
He's incredible.
Fantastic guy.
He's an encyclopedia of information about Egypt.
And why would you not want that guy exploring publicly and also reaching
millions of people, by the way?
Yes.
Why wouldn't you want that?
It doesn't make any sense.
I think there's like a maybe like a bit of a cultural arrogance.
Like, who do you think you are, Westerner, coming over here and teaching us
about our history?
I think there's a level of that, like, you know, at least on a surface layer,
before you get into the deeper implications of, you know, Freemason secret
societies keeping things from us.
My true fear is that it's people just have this desire to be the one in charge
of stuff.
Right.
And the desire to be right.
They want to be the boss.
Correct.
They want to be boss.
They never want to be proven wrong.
And who's this guy?
Who's this podcaster who's coming on and telling me what my country's heritage
is?
And, you know, I think it's a...
But the problem with that is, like, even mainstream archaeologists are angry
about it.
Right.
Like...
Right.
Well, everyone gangs together.
Yeah.
You know, they all gang together.
It's groupthink.
It's groupthink as well.
There's a lot of bitches in archaeology.
Yeah.
A lot of bitchy people.
I've noticed that.
Bitchy people.
I've noticed that.
It's such a bad look for the profession.
It really is.
Because immature...
Yeah.
Like, snarky...
Shitty comments.
Yeah.
I know.
Like, aspersions of racism.
Shut up.
It's a really gross field in terms of, like, some of the humans are in it.
I came through the toxicity of the UFO community, which is, like, so bad.
And, you know, I thought it would be...
Yeah.
A lot of kooks.
But also just, like, a lot of bad actors and hackers and people that want to,
you know...
One thing on the UFO subject, actually, which I do think is worth noting,
because, like
I said to you, I think I'm one of the first people that you've had on that had
to actually
make their way through the social media interactions.
And one of the things that a lot of us noticed, and I have to give credit to a
couple of people,
like Red Panda Koala and Tupacabra on Twitter, two very good researchers that
have been highlighting
this, is that when the whole kind of 2017 narrative and Lue Elizondo and Chris
Mellon
and all these guys started coming out, obviously, we were all extremely excited
about it.
Over time, you know, there were some issues, like some contradictions.
Lue Elizondo, especially, has contradicted himself quite a lot.
And some of us started to get a little bit suspicious of these people and just
started
asking questions.
It didn't take long for us to be targeted by a pretty significant network
online of people
that were trying to hack and dox us.
And people like, he hasn't put his actual name out there, but people like Red
Panda Koala
was doxed online, had his family house put out online, photos of his underage
sister put
out online by a group of individuals who are all very closely connected to Lue
Elizondo.
And this is something that you would not notice outside of being in the minutia
of X, because
you would see these troll accounts, these really nasty troll accounts that were
all being followed
by Lue.
And when they were having their accounts shut down and reinstated, Lue was one
of the first
people following them.
Some people have actually come out about this group now and revealed
screenshots of DMs where
they're in private conversations with people like Lue and Gary and some of
these other guys
who I got connected to early on, very early on.
I got some of the first interviews with these people and was very pro it until
I started realizing
they were very much trying to control the narrative.
And there were things you couldn't speak about, can't talk about reverse
engineering or
consciousness initiated contact.
Anything to do with Greer is completely poisonous.
Lue Elizondo was actually, he called Greer and a couple of other people
terrorists.
He said, I wouldn't negotiate with terrorists when asked about Steven Greer.
But what people have dubbed this as is the UFO hate group.
This is very well known online, the UFO hate group.
And it's a group of people that are so savagely in favor of people like Lue and
this kind of
modernized narrative that if you even go half an inch, like I really gained my
accolades
in the UFO community.
People, you know, really praising me for the interviews I was getting until I
started asking
a few questions about people like Lue and suddenly I get an absolute maelstrom
of hatred from
people that were once really, you know, enjoying my content.
And I'm quite lucky.
I haven't been targeted so heavily.
Some people have had their lives ruined by these people who are all connected
to individuals
like Lue.
And Lue actually said that he came to burn UFOlogy to the ground.
Like he actually said that in an article.
He was like, I want to burn UFOlogy.
I want to destroy it.
When did he say that?
Oh, it was like in like a few years back now.
You could get it up.
But why did he say it?
What was the context?
I think it was just about the way in which the UFO community has, you know,
been misrepresenting
the phenomena and like the confusing spaghetti junction of narratives.
And he just kind of, I want to put a hard reset.
Doesn't that kind of actually make sense to say?
Does he know things?
You don't think he knows things?
What does he know?
I don't know.
Exactly.
Right?
They all know something, but none of them can tell us.
And they all knew it from someone else.
And someone else told them and they knew it and they know this.
And like, dude, I was so in love with all of this.
You have to understand that.
I was truly, I was a believer.
I was like, this is amazing.
I had my orb experiences, so I had a bias already.
I was like, I'm ready to believe in whatever you're saying.
It took me a while to start actually realizing that this is not going in a
direction I think
it should be going and that there's a heavily curated narrative.
And if you try and question the narrative, you will be punished by groupthink.
It felt like, honestly, I started to feel like I was in a COVID cult for UFOlogy,
where
you just can't talk about Lua Elizondo in a bad light, regardless of the fact
that this
man has gone on stage and presented literal fake UFO photos to the public,
which have been
debunked in less than 24 hours.
And he had to admit that they were fake because of the debunks.
But people are just happy to forget these things happened.
Like he went up in a congressional setting and held up a UFO photo that was
proven to just
be fields like agricultural fields.
Yes, this is a fake.
That's not a shadow.
That's a darker field next to the lighter field.
These are two circles.
And this was proven.
He had to admit it.
He had to.
This is in a congressional setting.
This man apparently ran the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
I call bullshit.
I don't believe he did because he seems like more of a government stooge.
And he feels like someone that would be sent out to do what he admits he was
doing, counterintelligence.
He's a counterintelligence, counterterrorism, counterespionage guy.
I'm not a UFO guy.
I'm a counterterrorism, counterespionage guy.
He's also one of the guys calling for amnesty, right?
Oh, how surprising.
Yeah, exactly.
Call me shocked.
Yeah, no, he is.
Like, you know, call me shocked.
Does he say that in the – because a lot of them do say it.
I want to make sure that he actually said that.
I don't know.
In the Age of Disclosure documentary.
I'll be perfectly honest with you, Joe.
I haven't even fucking watched it because I'm just not interested in that
element of the UFO subject anymore.
I've been burned by these guys.
I've had Gary Nollard emailing me, like, why aren't you on the team anymore?
Why don't you, like, be a team player?
It's like, because you're literally telling me that I can't tell my own fucking
truth.
You're censoring me and saying that I'm not being a team player just because I
have questions.
Well, what were they censoring you about?
What in particular?
Well, I was –
Or attempting to get you to stop talking about specifically?
Primarily, there seems to have been a bit of an issue with the way that I've
been talking about Lou and his association with AATIP because I think that AATIP
was actually a cutout.
It wasn't a real program.
And it was a cutout that was actually created for To The Stars Academy.
And AATIP, which was more of a kind of, you know, precursor program, wasn't
being run by Lou Elizondo.
That's the Advanced Weapon Application Space Program.
I forgot the actual acronym now.
AATIP is meant to be Lou's.
And I just think that – I have to be careful, but a very prominent journalist
in the UFO community literally told me that Lou told him that this was all
created for To The Stars Academy as, like, a way to, you know, generate an
understandable structure.
Here's this guy.
He's, you know, running AATIP.
I have an issue with the idea that someone like Lou Elizondo can go to The New
York Times and say that the Secretary of Defense wasn't being briefed on UFOs.
And I'm the one that was running a program when people like Julian Assange and
Edward Snowden are being thrown to the wolves for just revealing standard
national security issues.
This is meant to be even deeper, right?
It's a black, black budget.
This guy can just roll out to The New York Times?
Seems a little bit planned.
Seems a little bit curated and forced.
So I started asking those questions, and especially when things like this were
happening where there were discrepancies, where he's bringing up images that
are being debunked.
I was like, who is this guy?
You know, who is this guy really?
And then his book comes out, and he's talking about being the torture czar in
Guantanamo Bay, and, you know, the people there called him the Darth Vader of
the United States.
This is in his book.
You know, he admitted they called him the torture czar of Guantanamo Bay
because, you know, he ran Camp Platinum at Guantanamo Bay, black site, CIA
black site.
Whoa.
Yeah.
So, you know, he actually had in his book that he was known as the Darth Vader
of the United States by certain people and the torture czar of Guantanamo Bay.
I don't really trust people like this who, you know, waterboarded people for a
living and are now trying to tell me what's going on in the UFO subject.
Well, let's ask this question.
What purpose would there be to muddy the narrative if you wanted to have a
government agent come out and have what you're claiming is like a fake
disclosure, like a government-narrated disclosure?
What would be the purpose of that?
What are they all asking for, Joe?
Money?
Amnesty.
Amnesty.
Amnesty.
And what was happening before that is you had someone like Stephen Greer just
saying, these people need to go to jail.
And that was the only big voice in the UFO community prior to Tom DeLonge.
Maybe they're offering a window to possible disclosure, though.
Maybe.
Like, if we give them this fucking amnesty, if we don't, what happens?
Nothing.
It keeps going the same way it's been going.
There's no actual disclosure.
We keep talking about it.
It gets nuts.
It gets to the point where it's driving you crazy.
Like, I don't even want to hear about any fucking UFOs until you show me one.
But if it's a real subject, and the only thing that's keeping us from learning
this real subject is that.
And so they're trying to push out this narrative of amnesty.
I'll bite.
What are we talking about?
I think for me, again, coming up through it and just seeing how these people
actually act when you challenge them.
And the fact that there were absolutely organized groups of, quite frankly,
quite mentally unstable people that were very easily misled into believing they're
important.
Right.
Who were getting brought into these signal chats, these private group chats.
And, you know, I'm in touch with Lua Elizondo.
I'm one of those guys.
I'm being brought in.
And, you know, they tried to do that.
Yeah, useful idiot.
And, like, there's a lot of them.
And, you know, there's a few people out there that are extremely dark
individuals.
Like, we're talking, like, you know, connected to all sorts of weird Satanism
groups.
And Lou's just there to have selfies, like, hanging out with these guys.
Like, he's a dodgy dude.
I don't care.
He's like, you know, I'm freaked out even saying this on the Joe Rogan.
You know, he's like, he's going to remote view my brain or something.
But at the same time, he is a dodgy guy.
Like, he's shady.
But you do believe in the existence of these things.
Dude, I've had orbs hover over my house.
Like, yeah.
Like, reverse engineering.
So what you think is that there is a clear decision somewhere in our government
to muddy the water
and to put out this narrative that these whistleblowers are trying to tell
everybody.
So to slowly trickle this stuff out there.
And then float out Amnesty, which is a big part of the Age of Disclosure
documentary.
Really the first time I've ever heard anybody.
Where everyone uniformly talks about that one particular subject.
Yeah.
Like, I think that that's the goal is to create a curated soft disclosure that
does the very best
to paint the government in the best possible light and allows them to actually
kind of not face too much punishment
for what's been going on in the legacy programs.
Again, if you only had someone like Stephen Greer out there, he was offering a
completely different thing.
We need to punish these people.
Like, they are criminals.
They've ruined humanity for 100 years of stagnating technological progress.
He got a little testy.
Got a little testy with that.
Should have taken a little softer tone.
Sorry.
No, I'm saying with him.
Oh, okay.
Maybe if he did that, maybe they would have not been so defensive.
Like, fuck, they want to lock us up.
Yeah, but that's it.
That's why.
As soon as you say you're going to lock someone up for what they did, they're
going to say,
I didn't do anything.
Yeah.
And they're going to keep saying that.
But that's why they got rid of him.
Yeah.
That's why they got rid of him.
That's why Gary Nolan, who was originally with Greer, then changed over to Two
Stars Academy.
And they poached quite a few people from his team and brought him over to TTSA.
And he became a pariah.
You know, again, he says a lot of things that, quite frankly, I don't agree
with.
But I just think that basically they tried to overtake the narrative and they
needed government
representatives to run this.
And I just, again, it's how they do everything.
Why would we be shocked that they do it about something this important?
Well, exactly.
Especially if there is lying to Congress, misappropriation of funds, and for
sure some fraud.
For sure.
You're talking about a shit ton of money.
One thing that does interest me, though, is the ARV, the alien reproduction
vehicle, the
flux liner.
Have you heard of this?
Oh.
You know about Mark McCandlish and the alien reproduction vehicle?
Oh.
What is this?
If you type in ARV flux liner, you'll get this image right away.
This is one of the avenues that I would actually pay attention to and think,
okay, I think something's
going on here.
Mark McCandlish was an aerospace illustrator for the U.S. Air Force.
That's the, yeah.
So the actual.
Oh, I have seen this.
Yeah, of course you have.
It's very classic.
And that one that's blue with the writing all over it, that's what was held up
at the
2001 National Press Conference organized by Dr. Stephen Greer.
Again, like, you know, this isn't new.
Like, to be fair to Dr. Greer, he brought, like, over 50 witnesses on live
television during
the National Press Conference.
And one of them was Mark McCandlish, military illustrator, who drew this sketch.
A friend of mine has a version of this framed in his house.
So do I.
I need to get one.
We need to get one for the studio, right?
You can literally get one on Etsy for, like, a hundred bucks.
Let's fucking go, Etsy.
It's like that big one on Etsy.
But, so, this is important.
Mark McCandlish, he actually ended up taking his own life.
Go with that.
Back to that again?
Yeah, what about it?
I want to read the heading.
It says, according to this documentary, we had the technology for faster than
light travel
and zero-point energy for a very long time.
Let's pretend this is true.
How do we know the UAPs we sent aren't ours and more modern built?
The person who made this documentary died of an aggressive form of cancer not
long after making it.
He was quite a young man as well, documentary filmmaker who made this.
But Mark McCandlish, military illustrator, he had a friend called Brad Sorenson.
Now, Brad Sorenson was a government guy, aerospace engineer.
Lockheed Martin had quite an extensive portfolio.
And Brad Sorenson goes to his buddy one day, Mark McCandlish, and he says,
I was shown something, and I want you to draw it.
I'm going to describe it to you in great detail, and I want you to create the
illustration.
Brad Sorenson says that, I think it was in the late 60s or early 70s,
that he was invited to a private air show at Lockheed Martin by an individual
who was a good friend of his in the military who was higher up than him.
And apparently, he didn't have what they call the tickets,
the right classifications to actually get access to this private air show,
where his friend brought him because he had the tickets.
And essentially, they bring him into a hangar in Lockheed Martin
where three large saucers of varying size were hovering a few feet off of the
ground.
They were described as instantaneous nuclear payload delivery systems.
That's the way that they were actually classifying them.
Had a nickname for a mum.
Brad Sorenson: Instantaneous.
Brad Sorenson: Instantaneous nuclear payload delivery systems.
Like the idea that you could just instantaneously deliver a nuclear payload to
anywhere in the world.
Brad Sorenson: Oh, my God.
Brad Sorenson: Yeah, which is, again, one of the reasons why they might keep
this stuff secret.
The ships were nicknamed Mama Bear, Baby Bear, and Papa Bear.
Brad Sorenson: Oh, my God.
Brad Sorenson: Yeah.
Brad Sorenson: What's really interesting about this is that Brad Sorenson has
never gone public.
But I was in the room when he was phoned.
And I've heard him say things that have never been on the record before.
Brad Sorenson: No one's ever contacted Brad Sorenson.
Mark McCandlish took his own life a number of years ago.
His closest friends would say that that was not anything untoward.
It's hard to know.
I didn't know the man.
All I know is this is the man that produced an incredibly profound illustration
and then eventually took his own life.
Brad Sorenson: But his friend Brad Sorenson has never gone public ever, never.
I've got quite a few contacts now because of my research and, you know, affiliations
that I've managed to gain with people in the US Navy and, you know, Intel.
And a good friend of mine who was able to actually find his number and get in
touch with Brad Sorenson.
I was present when he was phoned.
And, you know, my friend introduces himself to him and he'd never spoken to him
before.
And they were just talking shop.
First of all, he said that he wanted to reach out to him because he'd heard
about him through various stories online.
But, you know, anyway, to cut the long story short, he asked him, my friend
asked him about Mark McCandlish and this alien reproduction vehicle.
Brad Sorenson went off on quite a diatribe, actually, very angry about Mark and
how he said that I gave this man the keys to the kingdom and he went out and
told the whole fucking world and I will never do that because my employers will
fry me.
He said, they will fucking fry me if I speak out about this, but I am capable
of building and designing an aircraft that can go 210 times the speed of light.
Yeah, he reiterated that multiple times.
What?
Yeah.
What year was this?
I've sat on this for a couple of years.
It's about two years ago that my friend phoned him.
Yeah.
Instantaneous nuclear payload delivery.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you can imagine that's how the national security system would actually
look at this.
Not as an exploratory vessel, but let's be honest.
What is this?
It's a payload delivery system that's instantaneous.
Let's be honest.
That's what they would look at it as, right?
Another reason to keep it secret probably.
Oh, shit.
But that was, you know, I would love to get him on record.
I don't know if he ever will.
Brad, if you're listening to this, I would like to get you on record.
But he, yeah, he said that.
He said that he can design a craft that goes 210 times the speed of light.
And this is the guy that gave Mark McCandlish the illustrations to create that
ARV.
It's weird.
I mean, it's weird, dude.
This is the real question.
What would civilization be like had this stuff not been kept secret?
Right.
What, what, if we had access to that kind of energy, whatever that thing is
operating on?
Could you imagine if you had access to that energy and you're watching all
these idiots burn coal?
I know.
What are you doing?
What are you doing?
But you can't say anything?
Yeah.
Because you have a instantaneous.
I would.
I would hate.
Nuclear delivery system.
I'd hate to be these people.
I'd hate to be these people.
It's crazy.
Imagine sitting there knowing that we have access to these kind of technologies.
There's also like this desire to tell people something that's really important
to humanity.
They can't all be complete sociopaths.
But maybe they do.
Like they screen them for that reason.
You know what I mean?
Like they have to be a certain personality type.
I don't give a fuck about humanity.
I think, honestly, I think at the highest levels of these, especially these
military corporations,
I think you just have to become that anyway.
Yeah, yeah.
By force of nature.
Yeah.
Like, well, we're going to kill 100,000 people today.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, how emotionally attached can you possibly be in that kind of-
You just have to be task-oriented.
Position.
So, you know, yeah, the ARV is a provocative one for me.
And to be honest about it, I think a lot of this, I mean, it's called the ARV,
the alien
reproduction vehicle.
And maybe we have had alien crashed vehicles, but I'm more tempted to believe
that Nikola
Tesla's work was taken by the US government.
John G.
Trump, Trump's uncle from MIT, was the one that actually oversaw all of that.
You know that?
Yeah.
Yeah, he actually looked at all that.
You know, he found a correspondence between Nikola Tesla and British and
Russian royalty,
like the high top levels of Britain Russian royalty, about them acquiring a
super weapon
of incredible power.
There's a video I actually posted on X of John G.
Trump, a vintage video of him talking about coming across these correspondent
letters that
he never found the true method of the secret weapon or what it was, but there
was correspondence
between the king and Russian czars about acquiring it from Nikola Tesla.
So I think that they took things from Tesla, his electromagnetism studies, I
think people
like T. Townsend-Brown, you know, these original ideas of being able to use
field induction
to create positive lift.
This is something that was being looked at by humans.
You don't need to invoke flying saucers crashing from Alpha Centauri for that.
Maybe it happened, but I would be more on the line that we've done it ourselves.
We've done it ourselves.
At least some of it.
Yeah, some of it.
The Cold War happened, Cold War paranoia, and we've never got rid of it.
All the iron walls came up around that, and it's a case of how do we kind of
get rid of
all this legacy program, you know, stoving and stove piping because of Cold War
paranoia.
It's too late now because we're in 2025, and you've got to try and tell us that
you've
got zero-point energy.
You know, we've been flying around in fucking Wright Brothers planes for 100
years and shit.
Are you kidding me?
It's not going to go down well.
So amnesty, right?
Yeah.
Amnesty.
Fuck, it might be the only way.
It might be the only way, and if it is the only way, that's fine.
But like I said, I do have...
Obviously, it sucks that they're not going to...
It sucks that they're not going to get punished for crimes, but so what?
So what?
At least we are not being punished by being withheld.
Exactly.
Information being withheld that I think would change the course of humanity in
probably a
fantastic way.
But I do feel like the world would have to become a more heavily controlled
place for
these types of technologies to come out.
Do you know what I mean?
I was trying to wrap this up on a high note.
Digital ID coming up.
Well, that's all I'm saying.
Like, you know, the control structures around something like free energy would
have to be
quite profound because of the things we were saying about some psycho with a ZPE
device.
Like, look at what just happened in Bondi Beach in Australia.
Imagine if you have access to that, if everybody has access to that, especially
off the internet.
You figure out how to design one.
It's not that hard.
The world will have to become a more restrictive place for these things to come
out for public
benefit.
Now people are going to think you're a fed for saying that.
Listen, man, I really enjoyed this conversation.
It was a lot of fun.
It's been real, brother.
And your content is excellent.
Thank you so much.
So please tell everybody how they can watch more of your stuff.
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For real.
So thank you, brother.
Appreciate you.
All right.
We'll do it again.
Yes.
Goodbye, everybody.
Bye-bye.