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the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day
i just really feel like you might have a chance here to like really help some
people that were
big you know what i mean like that in this pod we might have a chance to like a
million percent
so i brought a bunch of notes about what i went through so don't don't look at
me like a super
nerd today but i want to make sure i got my i want to help people dude i just
man i never thought i'd
lose this way like a dude with notes especially a dude who lost 300 fucking
pounds let's go baby
let's go look at you dude i feel great yo you should feel great i feel really
really good dude
you're a totally doing human being it is man well you know what's crazy i don't
want to get super
spiritual out the gate but i will because i think god wants me to right now
because you're saying that
there's a scripture in the bible that says uh in christ all things are a new
creation
which i thought was interesting because it didn't talk about restoring the old
it says that in god we are a completely new creation you know what i mean so
like i i was
looking at it at first like i'm restoring my heart but then when you're saying
that i'm like no i didn't
restore my heart i got a whole new heart this is a brand new heart joe you know
what i mean yeah it
might be cloaked as the old one but god touched it it's a whole new heart baby
well it's a different
heart every seven years doesn't every cell in your body get replaced by new
cells isn't that what the
number is that's crazy and it happens on our sponsor perplexity and find out
that's nonsense but i think
that's true i think that's what happens so you do have a chance to be a new
human being and think that
it would happen on a holy number like it's a myth god damn it no shit every
seven years is a myth
uh different cell types have very different lifespans and some last a lifetime
i think neurons last a
lifetime seven year figure is a rough average estimate of cell age okay so it's
not a total myth
not a fixed cycle where everything is swapped out all at once some tissues uh
renew very fast while
others renew slow slowly or hardly at all which averages out to several years
if you look at all
the cells together so intestinal lining cells renew every two to five days wow
stomach lining turns over
roughly every two to nine days skin surface cells replace roughly every few
weeks um liver cells are
typically renewed on time scales of many months up to a few years bone cells
take up to a decade to fully
remodel the skeleton muscles and cells anyway cells are changing all the time
all the time it's constantly
renewing baby yeah feels good man a whole different human we were talking about
it when i first came to
your club i couldn't even walk all the way up the steps without stopping like
every seventh step and
today was my um me and cam did my first 10k yesterday we did a little bit over
did six five
so today was recovery run day i did two and a half miles just having a
conversation with you while
you're swinging kettlebells i was like look at who i am joe i'm a whole new guy
yeah just
chilling doing two and a half miles on a treadmill just watching the yeah the peter
yawn fight again
and you you love again you had a nice pace you're a little casual doing it feel
good yeah you could
tell you've been working you know it's not like a new thing your body's acclimated
to it you could
really tell it's like and i heard tony robbins once say that we grossly um overestimate
what we can
do in a year and we underestimate what we can do in a decade and for people
that might be listening to
this that are dealing with severe obesity i want to give you this game you will
grossly
overestimate what you can do in 90 days but underestimate in what you can do in
a year
when it comes to your health like it was right around my 30 i turned 41 three
days ago and it was
right around my 39th birthday that i started really considering taking the step
to try to make a major
change in my life and i thought about it around my birthday because i knew my
next one was 40
you know what i mean and i was like i don't think i've ever met a 500 pound 40
year old
they don't you know around very often usually that's when they it's about it
off no that's when
it and it felt like i'd already cheated the game i'd had multiple heart issues
you know um and i was
like man i should i should really start trying to figure this out i felt like i
could feel myself
dying joe you know and it was crazy because i spent most of my life thinking
that i when i get to
this point or that if i never thought i'd get to this point we'll start there
as far as success
but even your hands look smaller you have new hands i've had to change my aura
ring size five
times in this process i've literally i've changed clothes for two years
straight i'm looking at your
hands i'm like he has different size hands it's crazy everything dude i haven't
seen you in how
long it's been at least a year and a half it's been a year and a half we did
the pod i was i was i was in
this pod bragging about being 420 pounds because i'd lost 120 pounds and i was
in here excited about
those 120 you know and i would have never guessed it i've lost uh ilia taporia
since then you know
what i'm saying i've lost a whole nother it's a whole nother when my chef said
it best he said when
charles oliveller uh fell off of michael chandler's back that was what you lost
in the last since the
last time you've seen joe be like if a michael chandler just jumped off your
shoulders crazy
it's crazy joe it's crazy when i go uh walk with my dog i put a 45 pound plate
on a pack
and when i get done with the walk i take it off i'm like whoo that ain't shit
you were walking around
with an extra 300 fucking pounds cam said this yesterday was so funny he said
he said you know
why you're inspiring so many people he said think about how much david goggins
inspired people because
he went from 300 pounds to getting in shape he said and you've lost david goggins
at his biggest i'd
never even thought of it that way yeah i was like right wow i was like yeah
that's a whole you lost a
hold david goggins dude my surgeon said i have 35 pounds of skin on me now wow
i mean you've seen it i
showed you yeah i showed you my stuff but it's like it's crazy dude that's
great just 30 pounds
pounds five pounds of extra skin just extra skin that's crazy it's just hanging
off the front of me
right now whoo somebody said doesn't that hurt i was like not as bad as the 500
that was hanging i'll
take these 35 over that all day dude way way fair exchange so what was you you
knew you were doing
bad you knew your body was not it was not going to be able to function at that
weight for very much
longer and so what was the pivotal moment where you made this decision here's
this is good this is why i
wanted to do this with you thank you for letting me have this space because
this is what i want people
to hear is that every time i thought i had a critical moment it was a it was an
emotional moment
so i'd get all fired up i've been trying to lose this weight my whole life and
i and i'd yo-yo 50 70
pounds down go back up me and my my nutritionist and laurels were looking at
notes yesterday i spent most
of 2022 between 480 and 560 pounds like that year that's how much i fluctuated
just a year up and down
crazy you know so it's like i was just such a so when i sat down to try to lose
it this time i said
i'm gonna take a different approach i'm gonna really take my time with it and i'm
gonna think
about what i'm doing and be intentional i'm not gonna let it be an emotional
thing where you just
jump up and go i'm gonna go running today and do to do and i was like let me
let me figure this out
and clearly i've dealt with drug addiction so i was like maybe there's
something here like how come
um i actually have this in my notes overeating wasn't a failure of willpower
for me it was a
biological loop that i didn't know how to interrupt that's a good way to put it
you know what i mean
the problem with food addiction as opposed to every other addiction is that you
have to keep doing the
thing you're addicted to it's the only one and it's everywhere yeah not that
crack isn't everywhere
and heroin isn't everywhere but it's not i've never there's not heroin on this
table you know what i'm
saying there's a cookie on here somewhere probably there has been yeah but food
is something that you
need to sustain you to keep alive like imagine if you were a gambling addict
but you had to
play a few hands of blackjack every day every day that's crazy yeah like you
had to like you got
to play at least two day alive yeah so stay alive you can imagine i started and
with that mentality i
said well the first thing i'll do is let me you know how can i cut back how
much i'm eating and less
less eating periods but the first thing i did was started um every time i said
i was going to lose
the weight joe i said i lied to myself we talked about this i would tell myself
i'm going to do this i'm
going to go do that and then i'd go tell my family that so the lie started with
me though you know
there's there's a big person listening to this right now or a drug addict or
somebody who wants
to change some part of their life that right now is going i'm gonna start next
monday you know or
i'm gonna start friday or i'm gonna start they have a start date they you know
they've and then
that monday comes and they never do it i told you i was like every other fat
fuck even when i finally
did it on friday i was like monday i'm waking up and changing my life and i was
like but i had an
idea i was like i'm not cutting out food i'm not dealing with nothing crazy i'm
gonna do two small
things first i'm gonna cold plunge because i've been watching dana white do it
and it seems to be
working for him that's how just naive i was to the whole thing at first i was
like dana's cold
plunging he got in shape i was like and i reached out to gary immediately like
right around that
39th birthday i reached out to gary brecca and i just sent a message to brecca
blind that said do
you work with fat people because i hadn't seen a real case study of fat people
yet and lucky for me
alina um um their daughter him and sage's daughter was a country music fan so
she comes in like you ever
heard of jelly roll and they're like no she's like you got to listen to this
song and then you got to
help them so gary called and gary was like and i said gary i'm gonna start but
he said just start
by trying to get 10 000 steps a day and get in a cold plunge i'm like dude i'm
520 something pounds
gary 10 000 steps a day is crazy talk but i got in the cold plunge for six
minutes and i would go for
a half mile walk that first monday comes joe it is pissing rain pissing rain i
mean cats and dogs dude
and i wake up and i'm like shit and i've been studying about lying to yourself
that when you tell
yourself you're gonna do something and you don't do it your body then starts to
know that you don't
mean what you say so now when you tell your body do something your body looks
at you like bitch you
ain't never meant what you said to me right you've never followed through what
do you think i'm gonna
run because you tell me to run dude you lie to me all the time and i was in
that concept and i came
out that morning dressed up in my stuff and i was like man that rains pretty
hard and my family
and this wasn't them being a lack of support joe this was just i think this was
me lying to them for so
many years you know that they wanted to save me my shame again and my
embarrassment and they go
it's okay i think my wife's like it's okay papa um or but my daughter was like
um just wait till the
rain quits or do it on the treadmill or something but in my mind i was like no
i'm going outside you
know and i was like i'm done lying to y'all and i'm done lying to me i told y'all
i was gonna go do
this walk and i'm gonna do this walk
i didn't want to get emotional this early
but i'm good
there's nothing wrong with emotions brother
i'm coming
i'm coming back from that walk
and i'm coming up my driveway it's up a big hill
i'm bringing in camel too it's a huge hill and i'm coming up the driveway to
the hill
and all my family's out there
cheer me on
clapping
hands up
i'd done nothing
but lie to them for years about this weight
i'd done nothing
i'd never proved to them
that i was going to change or that i'd be a man of my word in any regard
they had every reason
not to go out there and cheer me on
and that was like
a big moment
that was the moment
you know
where i was like damn
and i realized that in addiction
that uh
in addiction
the family will
kind of cater to the addict
it's nature
you know like if um
somebody in your family was a drug addict
you would you would help with their kids
or you would you know
you would you would feel
a need to help
in their absence
it's what we do as a family
it's human nature
and um
i realized then how much my addiction
had been hurting his family
you know how much that
my sex life with my wife was horrible
dude i married a fucking big titty
blonde beautiful woman dog
you know what i mean
like i married the kind of woman
that makes you smile when you're crying
you know um
and i couldn't
i couldn't even get aroused
i was so big
i mean i was having to play
i was having to play twister to have sex
left foot here
right foot in the x
you know are we are we in there yet
tell me if you feel something
i mean it was bad
you know
my daughter
i think about my son
um
you know my brother would have to go
throw football with him
i was too big to throw the football
and i was like these
that's what my addiction has done
to these people
and here they are cheering for me
oh dude we're turning up
we're fucking we're
we're gonna figure this out
so then i knew it was a mental thing
and i read a book called the fox
the horse
the mole and the boy
you ever heard of this book
no
it's a children's book
jamie if you don't mind pulling it up
because it's um
it's just it's just
it's somebody kind of recreated
winnie the pooh
but for our kids you know
and it was a children's book
and i opened it up
and it has a moment where it goes
yeah yeah the boy
the fox
oh i have seen this
yeah
you want to talk about
a seven minute read
that will change your life
but there's a quote in there
that goes
i forgot if it was the mole
but the
the fox or something
looks at the horse
and goes
what's the hardest thing
you've ever done in your life
and the horse goes
ask for help
hmm
yeah
it's just all these like
really cool little things
but when he said
ask for help
i was like wow
i need to ask for help
it's like whenever i was addicted to drugs
and i had to walk in that room
for the first time
and go i don't have control
so um
i called a company called on site
that does uh therapy
and um
i went and spent
two weeks with a lady named mary b
who wrote the curriculum
for food addiction in the world
like she is a
80 something year old woman
with glasses
sweet soul of a woman
and we locked in a cabin
and she said
we're gonna figure out
what this is
and i spent
i'd say maybe two or three weeks
in this cabin
with this sweet old woman
and it was like uh
no phone
out in the woods
i walked every day
i played with the horses
i mean i just
went laid in grass
and um
it really took me
all the way back
through all my years
and it was the first time
that i didn't just try to rush
to lose the weight
i tried to figure out
what why i was carrying the weight
you know
and that's whenever i figured out
that i that that overeating for me
wasn't a failure of a discipline
i'm a pretty disciplined guy
it was just a biological thing
i hadn't learned how to interrupt
i've been doing it my whole life
it had been my constant go-to for stress
it had been
it was everywhere all the time
i was eating for
i had to start figuring out
what i was actually hungry for
you know like
when we talk about obesity joe
there's groups
like
if you're 340 pounds here
330 pounds here
you know
it's probably
depending on your height of course
you might be dealing with a
discipline issue
maybe you just like extra food
we can make small changes
and get that off
you start getting over 300 320
you start
that starts being morbid obesity
like there starts to be
a real thing there
you know
and i'm seeing it more now
because i talk to 10s 20s
of guys that are over 500 pounds
that have reached out to me
like please
what is this magic yoda
you know what i mean
i'm like
i'm like
consistency is the magic
but one
once i realized
why i was eating
80
80
here's the note i took
from therapy
i had my wife
translate all my notes
from when i was out there
and it goes
change
first of all
you change the way
you think and talk
but because
80 to 90 percent
of compulsive eating
happens between the ears
not the teeth
so the average obese person
is that big
and i learned this from her
is that
they're only eating
20 percent of what
they're thinking about eating
this is an all-day loop
that's in a
in your head
it's like a drug addiction
you know i used to walk in
me and schultz laughed about this
i used to walk in rooms
and scan
like i would walk in a room
like the predator
like i would
i would do one thing
like the terminator
and be able to look you in
and be like
there's a ball of schnickers
on that counter
there's two m&ms over here
they have some lay's potato chips
over there
like i knew my way
it was mostly sugar
all sugar
me and you were talking
about dude's sugar
well processed food
i i didn't
you know how they said
so gary was like
get on a keto diet
or a whole food diet
at first
and i was like
i don't think i eat
whole foods now at all
anyways
i think i just eat
processed foods
with maybe protein in it
you know i mean i don't
dude i haven't ate
a piece of bread
except for thanksgiving
in two years
joe i was colorblind
we talked about this
yeah this is a crazy story
this is a true story
joe
i my wife will tell you
this is
she laughs about it now
but i couldn't see
i seen shades of colors
like i general concepts
but like hunter green
emerald green
like what green's
green to me
i never realized
there was nuances
and prettiness
and that some were
brighter and toned
different i just seen
them like shades
so bad that like
that's why i wore black
johnny cass was a lot
of it but too
you know i'd always
have to ask people
does my shoes match
you know i was always
off dude i'd say
nine months into no sugar
i start i think
i forgot what it was
but it was a plant
at our house
and i come outside
and i grab my wife
and i go
dude how long have we
had that pretty purple
tulip there
or whatever it was
and she goes
what i was like
that is the prettiest
purple plant i've ever
seen
she was like
you've walked by that
plant for two years
what are you talking
about
i was like there's no
way we've had a plant
that pretty i didn't
notice it for two years
it was bright purple joe
i mean it was screaming
holy road purple
and slowly i started
looking around the next
few days and over the
next months i was like
i'm seeing clear color
i couldn't quit talking
about i bought coloring
books
my wife was laughing
this bitch used to
have to give me a
tata match to go to
court you know what i'm
saying and i'm in there
coloring you know what i'm
saying she's like what are
you doing i was like you
want to color and i've got
i've got like 300 color and
pencil set i was i was in a
deer blind with cam hayne
talking his face off about a
bird yesterday he goes i
didn't know you like birds
like that i was just i like
color he was like really i
was like yeah i didn't see
color for like 20 years i was
like it is that is so it had
been the sugar must have
been it must have been just
rampant inflammation through
your whole body massive lack
of nutrients it was and your
body probably was like fuck
colors let's just keep this
dude alive that's it yeah
yeah fuck colors just keep
him alive damn this episode
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and it was I'd never planned on
living Joe like ever like it was
never in my plan like of life even
as I was getting successful I was
like coming out here and like life
was getting good for me and in my
mind I was like okay good when I die
at least my kids might be okay and
they won't be ashamed of me that's
how I was thinking Joe I was
literally thinking that way in my
mind I was just pushing like if I
could just get this machine down a
little bit my kids won't be ashamed
of me they won't have to be the
dad at least their daddy died of
obesity because he had mental
health issues but he was a cool
fucking dude man that did some
cool stuff you know and it was
like I never would have thought I
could have this kind of life I
never thought I could even even
when I sat here and talked to you
before in my mind I was thinking
man I probably never see Joe
again just think you know it'll
probably go any day for me you
know what I mean like my heart
could quit on any day I could
relapse and overdose I don't I'm
not thinking right most of the
time you know to like sit here
and look at you now like dog I'm
gonna be a 70 year old man with
you bubba you know what I'm
saying like dog you know what I'm
saying like it's gonna be cool
you was talking about my you
mind if I run through these for a
second yeah please well let me
let me preface this so because I
want to talk about the labs you
were talking about my
inflammation but I got with Gary
Breckin I did a blood test and
this is something else I
encourage big people to do and
your basic provider will pay for
it more often than not if you
have just like a standard
insurance just tell them you
want to run a just standard
blood lab but tell them instead
of just your a1c this is
important you want to see your
insulin level because I was
diabetic but I wasn't insulin
resistant so my diabetic marker
when I first got checked was a
six point my a my a my a1c was a
6.4 okay which is the
threshold of what being a
diabetic is the pre-diabetic the
last point of being a pre-diabetic
6.4 and I thought that when you
are when your blood work says
you're a pre-diabetic for 15
years whatever you know what I
mean like this is not gonna kill
me or nothing I've had yeah it's
what it said last time I'm fine and
then finally they checked for my
insulin it was over 40 Joe it was
like insane and I don't want to get
this it's supposed to be it's like
under five oh Jesus yeah so what
happens is when your body goes to
burn when you fast it has to burn
through all your insulin before it
will start burning through your
your your reserved fat so when
you're at that high of an insulin
level in your blood it's you're
having a fast so you're hardly ever
getting to the resort fat burn it's
because it's just constant insulin so
and this is where go one piece come
in it's be a great time to talk
about this so Gary goes hey man
your insulin side we'll just give
you a shot and this will change all
this and I was like cool send it
whatever I'll try it and then my
my wife's manager Mimi started the
shot did wonders for her but she had
the worst stomach issues I have a bad
stomach I started calling people and
going hey man how's this shot
working I was like dude we're
losing weight food noise is gone
you got to try it I was like what's
the side effect there's like one bad
side effect it tears your gut up and
I was I had so I had bad reflux and
you know that's the worst thing a
singer can have nothing is worse for
us than reflux so I got scared of it
so I called Gary and I was like Gary
I can't do it I'm afraid of it so
then I started doing research and I
was like well if I'm not gonna do
this I'm gonna have to fast to get
my insulin levels down a lot so I was
fasting and I was losing like next to
no weight and I was doing the right
thing and as a big dude that's the
most encouraging thing discouraging
thing is when you're actually not
lying to people because you know as a
fat person I'm I'm programmed a lot
like a drug addict like what'd you
eat today grilled chicken and
salads and I just ate seven Snickers
you know so it's like or I brush it
off like a big thing my nutritionist
would come in and be like did you eat
something last night after I left I'd
be like yeah yeah I just ate a little
bit not bad just a little bit a little
bit bad but I wouldn't quantify what
little bit bad was it was a you know
you know it's like so I was just in a
I I wanted to start being way way more
honest about everything in the process
and that's was probably the biggest
thing so I would not lose the weight
and I'm like I promise you Ian I
didn't eat nothing but what you
handed me Bubba he's like just stick
with it I just stayed with it stayed
with it and then Gary got turned into
Gary Brekka and took over the world
and I was lucky for me I bumped into
your friend a guy named Brigham down
here in Texas and he introduced me
you met Denise right then sure I love
her this lady's the lady who really
Gary started this journey for me and
I'll never be able to thank him
enough for it but she brought it home
and Gary probably would have but she
she had a brick and mortar and was
just easier to get to Gary travels the
world and I go to her and she goes she
runs my blood again and my insulin got
down to like 37 by fasting and she
goes you're against the GO1Ps aren't
you I was like well I made it this far
and I don't want to do it with an
asterisk now now it's just
stubbornness at first it started out of
a fear now I'm just fucking stubborn
you know and and this is where I don't
want to hide anything that I did do
because I think it'll help people she
said there's an alternative she said
if you took a fourth of a dose of
metformin which is a 2000 milligrams
what they would prescribe a diabetic
one let's say we give you 500
milligrams which is a real low dose
once a day until we just see this
marker go down she said it might take
a year because we're not trying to
rush it and throw a bunch of GL1s at
it we're like we're just we're gonna do
this really slow and that's what we did
in the first month I listened to her
and I was losing you know I think I
looked at Lee's notes today we were
losing like you know four to six
pounds a month then it got up to that
12 and 13 that number we were
looking for you know what I mean of
what we expect from a guy my size but
it was just that easy once now my
insulin so I said all that to give
you this oh I'm so excited about this
Joe my insulin was over 40 my insulin
two weeks ago it weighs the well with
Dr. Denise was 4.6 my a1c was crazy
right and that was just we've only been
on the metformin for a year in
November so I think we're gonna come
off of it now a1c was 6.4 it's now
5.4 which that marker is a three-month
average of your blood sugar like that's
a real number to move that much I know
it doesn't seem like a big number in a
year but that's like crazy my C
reactive was like in the sixes and
it's 1.2 now that's an inflammation
marker vitamin D while I was getting
sick all the time was a 28 vitamin D
is at 100 this was the big one too and
this is where you say are you natty I
say no sir absolutely not I'm a 40
year old male there's no way I was
going to be natty my testosterone was
one of a pre-juvenile child when you're
that big it was in the third like the
50s and you know it should be in like
the 750s yeah my free test was 2.3
Joe Rogan oh my free test you know what
it is today 149 I fucking would you
remember that problem we talked about
my wife yeah not anymore I'm walking
around the house like a tiger I'm
throwing over my shoulder like a cave
man and throwing her on the bed every
time I see her you know what I'm saying
it is awesome you know and it changed
these were and I encourage people to
like if you can get your blood checked
there might be something there you know
what I mean it might not be something
big you know I still could have lost
the weight without the metformin but it
might have took another year you know
what I mean if I would have just had to
keep nicking it down a pound a week
because I was just having to get that
insulin down so slowly and that helped
a ton and the test of course helped
bring because my estrogen was so high
my test was so low finally got the
estrogen down in the test up so the
fat starts burning I'd done the mental
work I'd started really figuring out
like why I was eating the way I was
eating because once I recognized a
pattern my three R's changed it for me
was reset reconnect re-engage so every
time I would go into my pantry to eat
something because I'm a binge eater I'd
stop my therapist taught me this that
on-site I'd stop and I'd reset so I'd
step out first thing get out of the
pantry I have no business in here bad
place for me go somewhere I'm safe
where I can connect near my wife or
somewhere safe reconnect what was you
in a pantry for what version of you
what storyline of yours walked in that
pantry was it 15 year old jelly that
thought he was a gangbanger and
thought he was a thug that was just
trying to be cool there was actually a
sad little boy that couldn't connect
with people is that the boy that just
walked in there try to eat some
cookies or is this a 35 year old man
a 39 year old man that stressed from
work but I tell you what you're not in
there eating the cookies for us because
you need them you just ate a great
meal you feel fucking awesome you know
what I'm saying like there's nothing
about that cookie that's good for you
and also Jason you know not a one
cookie kind of guy you know what I'm
saying you're gonna go eat the bag of
cookies you know and then then I
reconnect then I re-engage because
sometimes you go through all that you
go you know what though I was
thinking in there but I do need to go
grab the salt just go in there and
grab a salt and get out but where I'm
so programmed it's back to old
storylines you I walk into some I've
been going into the pantry to eat bad
for so many years I'll walk in there
forget what I'm in there for I have
to because if I sit there long enough
and it's like oh well there's a
there's some stuff that you can eat
that does nothing like you if you just
want to munch on something man get
some celery and some radishes those
motherfuckers have like zero calories
raspberries and blueberries were a big
one for me they don't have zero calories
they have calories but you could eat
like but it's actually good for you
bucket of them yeah before you get into
the hundreds of calories if you want to
have some like raspberries with some
salt on them or not some raspberries
rather some radishes with some salt on
them and some celery there's nothing in
that you just eat it and you don't have
to worry at all you're just getting
some fiber and some nutrients pickles
pickles are great pickles are another one
I'd get on to early like if you get
like good fermented pickles are actually
good for your gut yeah I did all the
cheats early so like but when I say
cheats like I was hungry so I go to my
nutritionist and go hey man just feed
me whatever looks like the most food you
know fluff it up you know what I mean
like just I want a big serving of food
because it's mine thing and the cool
thing is now I'm in a place where I'm
looking for density like my
relationships changed that much with
food now I'm looking like yo what is
like do I have to eat this is there
enough protein in this or can I only
eat half of it and not because I have
the the weird relationship with food
other ways now I'm just really feeding
myself for what I need right you know
what I mean like I'm actually have a
healthy relationship with food now
Joe like I look at and it's not
unhealthy in a way that was like if
you cooked a big steak right now like
you want one I'd be like yeah
absolutely I don't want to miss a
elk steak with Joe I'm down I'm not
weird if we went to dinner I'd eat
you know what I mean I just wouldn't
eat bread right there's just certain
things I haven't it's like a drug
addict thing for me it's like there's
just certain things I just can't do
no matter what yeah you know red is
the one bread and pasta are the one
why does it have to be the ones that
are so goddamn all the good stuff
dude oh oh so delicious but um I
learned how to make all the good
stuff better by the way like not
better but Larios is really so a lot
of my weight loss has come from like I
used to always hear you say that you
got into podcasting and talking to
people about stuff you were just
interested in like conversations you
just thought were cool and then I
thought about that's like the
approach to life you know what I
mean is like get like dig it do it
you know find draw inspiration from
there right so I was watching great
dig it do it if you dig it do it yeah
you know do it and I was watching
UFC one night which I'm a fan too and
I was this was six years ago and uh I
was like I wonder who's helping these
guys get on the scale you know what I
mean I was like most of these
fighters are poor not in a bad way you
know they're coming up I was like I
bet I bet I could pay equal pay this
was six years ago I was like I wonder
who it is and I got introduced to
George Lockhart okay you know what I
mean which famously him and Mike
Doche I think are kind of both
famously known for the guys who
created the weight cutting protocol of
today you know and uh I call him he's
in Georgia for the holidays he drives
up to Tennessee to see me we end up
hanging out George George and me are
buddies to this day and um you know
George is like let me find you a
guy and that's how he found me Ian
Larios who just came in to do
nutritionist he did a bunch of bully
bees camps but he's been with me
people say I had somebody tell me
this Joe they said uh well of course
you lost the weight it's easy you got
money you know what I mean I was like
buddy money can't make you run these
six miles no everybody who says that
is just making an excuse for why they
haven't done it themselves you can't
never say of course you did it you
have this just fucking do it just go
do it just do it and yeah it's
gonna be hard and especially if your
hormones are all fucked up and your
insulin levels all fucked up it's
going to be hard but you can do it
well the biggest thing too is stick
with it Joe yeah that's my heart y'all
it's like it's all that's why I said
give yourself one year not three
months because if I gave myself three
months I'd have been upset I didn't
lose enough weight it didn't go the
way it's supposed to go I went back
into my shame spiral we were talking
about this my whole thing was stress
overwhelmed food shame repeat that's
what I did yeah I lived in that
spiral you know what I mean and it's
like I've been working hard I'm not
getting it sad me I'm gonna go to the
pantry and punish myself you know I'm
never gonna lose this weight where it's
like if I'd have just waited for the
year and really said no man I'm gonna
go birthday to birthday which is why
when me and Cam ran on this birthday
of mine it was so important to me
because I was like two birthdays ago
was the first day I even thought
about changing my life you know and
even last birthday I was 400 you know
380 pounds and now this birthday I'm
I'm running a 5k with Cam Haynes you
know what I'm saying like dude y'all
can change it if you hated your
birthday this year just give yourself
a year you know what I mean you have a
whole different birthday it's hard for
people because they want immediate
gratification you know they really
want it all to happen immediately
especially in the society that we
exist in today where everything I mean
this is why GLP ones are so enticing
for people because you can get
immediate gratification you know and
sometimes you got to just you got to
focus on little victories these little
tiny victories today I didn't eat cake
that's a little victory you know and
momentum is everything it's like that
first day when your family was cheering
you that's what it's all about it's all
about you did it you went out in the
rain when you didn't want to you did it
you came back now you've got momentum
you have that good feeling of success and
that will enable you to continue to chase
that good feeling that's the good that's
the good addiction right I'm clearly
addicted to exercise if I take a couple
days off I don't feel right right if I
take a day off I feel weird I feel
squirrely like I got all this extra
fucking yeah fucking weird shit leave me
alone you know what I mean I get
weird off I get weird man I get weird I
feel weird if I don't do it and I know
people like that's horrible you
something wrong with you sure but it's a
good thing wrong with me I'm addicted
to a good thing right I'm addicted I'm
addicted to staying healthy yeah you
know they say they say addicts addiction
swap oh yeah yeah I've never had a bad
addiction fortunately but I've had a
bunch of addictions you know I've had
like video game addictions I'm addicted
to playing pool I was addicted to
martial arts but I've been addicted to
like things that are beneficial luckily
luckily but I'm scared of all the other
ones I know that I know it's the same
thing how much of that do you think has
played a part in your environment and
friend group it's huge huge because if
you can get around a bunch of other
people that are addicted to good things
then you're all just doing good things
and you're all feeding off of each other
yeah that's it's everything man you
imitate your atmosphere always this is
why I can't be around negative people I
just I'm too sensitive and I'm around
negative people first I try to help them
then I try to coach them then I try to
like like see the world through their
eyes and then I'm reacting to them and
then I'm like fuck man you're not
helping me I'm not helping you right
you're just dragging me into your
vibration and I don't like it and if
you don't want to change there's not
much I can do with this and so I got to
just ghost you yeah I got to separate
because you if you save a drowning man
you know sometimes you can drown
yourself right you know and there's a
lot of people out there that have
wasted years and years of their life in
toxic friendships yeah you know with
negative people guilty that's what made
me bring it up easy to do man it's not
it's not a mark on your character it's a
normal thing that people do and when
you're around a bunch of people that are
positive and that are inspirational then
all of a sudden you start holding
yourself accountable you like you know
what would David Goggins do right now
like what would Cam Haynes do yeah what
would Jocko do and then that that's a
good thing what would Rogan do yeah you
know you don't like it when we give you
compliments but we think about it I said
that because like I wondered if that was
for you because the biggest thing to my
note here is new playground new
playmates you can't heal in the
environment that hurt you yeah you know
and it's like I started praying for
new friends five years ago like on my
knees to God directly like God I've
done everything I can for every friend
I brought with me along the way
everybody who came with me can't go
with me everybody's not growing at the
rate I'm growing right I need new
friends I'm hanging up you know when I
was cheating on my wife I was hanging
around people that were cheating on
their wives when I was drinking tons of
alcohol and doing tons of cocaine I was
hanging around people doing tons of
alcohol tons of cocaine yeah so I'm
like I don't I want to be in I want to
change like right send me some friends
send me just send me some new
interests and then I'd start bumping
into you know I guess six seven
years whatever it was years ago guys
like Cam Haynes guys like Goggins and I
didn't realize it then when they came
into my universe it was just from a
distance in a YouTube channel like oh
this dude's fucking nuts who's this guy
screaming at the camera running all
these mouths you know who is this guy
that won't quit his job because it's
like the greatest bowhunter ever and
runs ultra marathons and like he's
refusing to quit his job the
Internet's like campaign and quit your
job Cam you know what I'm saying I was
like who are these guys these guys
are awesome you know and even then my
then that's where the little scared
kid of me comes out like oh man but
you know you can't do that dude you
know how far you are away from even
like being able to talk to a guy like
that or being able to run or like you're
just too far you know you even down a
bowhunting I'm a felon so I'm not
allowed to possess a firearm or be
within a thousand feet of one
knowingly so I've never been able to
hunt you know well I didn't think
about the loophole y'all know it the
bow yeah bowhunt yeah you know but
also then you're 500 pounds was like
what am I really gonna bowhunt you
know what I mean right but it was new
playgrounds new playmates you know
what I mean and I started really
believing that and like just finding
that my uncle always said if you hang
around nine you'll be the tenth so
just look at the nine closest to you
and even if it wasn't a friends at
first it was just me being inspired by
different stuff back to digging it do
it you know what I mean like dig it do
it and I got into this I was into um I
signed up for the two bears 5k because
Bert was my friend and I thought their
podcast was funny I never even met Tom
you know what I mean crazy I was like
this is a cool way to do it you know
what I mean like you know like yeah I'm
on the internet 500 pounds waddling
down a back road going I'm going to my
first 5k and me everybody you know what
I'm saying it's like it's just and I'm
like I'm ready and uh and I and I call
cam because we're friends by then and
I'm all excited 470 walking my first
two miles a mile that day or whatever
it was I ran a whole walked a whole
mile called cam doing a 5k cam cam I'm
gonna come support you and cam and
Philip Franklin Lee walked that 5k with
me it took us an hour and a half Joe
I mean listen I'm surprised cam did cam
could have rolled faster he could have
crawled you know what I'm saying we
watched both of his kids run by us
three times in jeans you know what I'm
saying and uh but that's like it goes
back to changing your friends like yeah
it was a guy that wanted to lift me up a
guy that cam cam used to tap me on the
shoulder when I was 500 pounds and go
dude we're gonna bow hunt one day I'm
gonna take you bow hunt dude and I
would remember thinking this
motherfucker's crazy you know what I'm
saying like there's no way me and this
dude are ever bow hunting you know and
uh we're bow hunting you know we just
came out of a blind this morning we've
been I've been down there bow hunting
with cam ran my first 10k with him
yesterday but it was it was
completely the the new playground new
playmates thing for me yeah you know
yeah it's fuel if you can get around
people that are real positive and they're
doing good things and they're excited
about life it's very contagious yeah it
is I think that's one of the really
positive things about the internet that
you can be introduced to the way these
people live their lives and you can see
videos on them you can hear them talk
on podcasts and you can realize that
people like this exist and then try to
find them you know and try to find people
like that and try to become like them
you can you can you could assume those
positive attributes and you can you can
incorporate them into your life it's
completely possible sure yeah and it's
real I mean I did it I am somebody is
listening to this right now and as crazy
as this is gonna sound I was you eight
years ago I was listening to the Joe
Rogan podcast it was the beginning of me
starting to be like what I put in my
body comes out what I eat I shit what I
drink I piss what I hear I believe yeah
yeah and then I realized I was listening
to a bunch of true crime a bunch of
negative stuff all my phone all the time
I was watching fistfights at bars like
this was my algorithm you know what I'm
saying you know what I mean my
algorithm was just completely fucked yeah
so it's like okay I need to start
changing my I need to find cooler stuff
to put into my algorithm things more
knowledge learning stuff tell me what
have you done with the phone thing so
the phone thing is interesting it's
been real interesting I got one now I
got one at the two months ago I took a
year to part of the weight loss I took
a year off of a phone completely well
you know I used to get drunk get my
number to everybody at the bar so I
would wake up after an award show and
have like 3,000 unread text messages
of people's like congratulations and I
was just like oh god I was missing like
big messages you know yeah that's a
problem with me yeah I got I got that
problem yeah I could imagine where you
look back and you're like the
president text me not me but I bet
that's happened to you where you're
like I missed an entire text from
somebody of that stature you know and
you're like dude this is crazy and I
was like I don't I think that I was
using it as another way not to connect
I have an avoidant personality like I'll
isolate or I can do it just right in a
room full of people if I hop on the
phone and I was just like man I want to
be more present you know I remember
sitting doing stuff with my son and
daughter and I was like scrolling
Instagram once again watching bar
fights you know nothing nothing that
was helping you know what I mean I was
like I'm just right I'm just like
completely disconnected another
really it's another yeah and with my
personality I gotta watch those so I
got a phone two months ago and I just
didn't put social media on yeah I have
YouTube because that's my app and I
trust you know YouTube is where I get
good stuff it doesn't give me 60
second burst of shit I don't need it
gives me long form of good stuff you
know what I mean I find channels that
I like really dig and it's like back to
new playground new playmates I never I
know I'm super late to the party
never heard of the outdoor boys
until last year okay whoa I've been
missing a whole new thing of life you
know what I mean he's back right he's
doing it again back ish yeah he took
some time off right is it I think he
felt like got overwhelming yeah the
success of his channel got too crazy
and too fast he didn't enjoy the the
pressure you know what I think he was
doing this is you want to speculate a
little bit together about this I think
he was doing the coolest dad thing ever
because he goes on there goes look
this has been a little overwhelming
for me and my family me and my wife
are out of this and frankly I got two
boys that want to be youtubers
themselves so I think I'm just going
to help them and I follow his son's
channel his son's got 3,000
subscribers he camps by himself like
his dad did he's 12 years old doing
solo camping trips dude his name's
Outdoor Tom so it's like and he's
been posting and his dad's on his
channel so I think the dad just built
his channel got big and was like dude
I think I'm just gonna leave this
legacy for the boys man I'll just
help them out but he's kind of been
poking his nose back around here and
there and he helped his friend out
that had cancer I thought that was
the coolest thing yeah what was the
name of that channel Jamie I don't
want to blow this they deserve a
shout out because that was really
cool my life outdoors yeah my life
outdoors and so that was a recent
video that they made yeah yeah he's a
very interesting guy you know I wish
he'd come talk to you I would if he
was interested I definitely have him
on I really have I watch a lot of
those shows that's one of part of my
YouTube algorithm is dudes who go
out into the woods by themselves this
is my new algorithm see this is me
trying to change my playground
because this is all about getting
into shape Joe like now I don't look
at that as a unachievable task I look
at that like next winter me and Cam
are gonna go hunt somewhere we're
gonna take a fucking tent you know I'm
saying we're gonna go out there and
get lost in the woods camp on your
back I think we can do it dude I think
I'm gonna be in shape enough to do it
you know you're probably in shape
enough to do it right now I'm only
gonna get better yeah no I mean I
watched you on the treadmill today man
you're in shape to do it right now
thank you yeah you could do it it's
uh that's a beautiful thing man it's a
really beautiful thing and just to be
out in the woods like that is it's a I
think it's like a form of vitamin that
people haven't recognized yet it's
medicine yeah there's something to it
I mean that sounds hokey and new agey
but I'm telling you man if I don't get
my time in in the woods at least a
couple times a year three and I
really want to do it a way more
often I just can't I just I'm just
too busy but it's it empties all the
bullshit out of my life the mountains
don't give a fuck what's going on in
your life or how many likes your last
fucking social media post God or who's
upset at you that they don't care you
know the mountains are the mountains
those animals don't give a fuck if you
just won the Grammy you know they
don't give a shit oh jelly rolls here
let me offer my vitals no sir not the
case at all there's no charisma out
there there's no cult of personality
there's no it's all it's just wild and
it's beautiful you always been
outdoorsman no I used to fish when I
was a kid I used to really love
fishing and you know then I got away
from all of it for a long time until
ranella took me hunting and that's when
I got that mule deer that one that's
sitting on the table right there that's
the first animal ever shot a bow or
rifle rifle that was a rifle and then
cam took me on my first hunt with a
bow I got a black bear that was your
first time a bear yeah God I'm trying
to get him to take me one of those in
May it's good and I want to do elk
next year bear is a good one because
first of all it's scary you know which I
think is good and there's something
about eating a bear that's just wild
it's just they're kind of fatty right
feels crazy yeah well not that bad I
mean they definitely have a lot of fat
on them they taste good they take
that's a big misconception I mean I've
never eaten a grizzly bear which I've
heard are pretty rough but my friend
Ryan Callahan just shot a grizzly
bear and he says it's delicious I think
the thing about a bear that's a little
daunting for a lot of people is
trichinosis and you have to cook a
bear like a hundred and I think
they're I think the number is 160 I
think that's what it is where you you
know you got to make sure that that
meat is 160 degrees you know so you
don't get any parasites because
trichinosis is rough I can't believe
your first bow hunt was a bear I'm on
my first bow hunt as we speak yeah and
it's for a deer and I could definitely
I needed to do this if I'm gonna see a
bear I am out there I mean stomach and
heart and stomach stomach and pants
well I think Cam took me bear hunting
because in Alberta the way they do it
it's they do it over bait so they they
set out oats and they use beaver carcasses
and all these different things so the
animals and people like oh that's
cheating listen there is no other way to
find these animals in Alberta there you're
talking about dense forest the dense
forest it looks like a box of q-tips like
you can't see shit out there that you're
not gonna find them before they see you
coming or hear you coming or smell you
coming this isn't this if you want to
hunt them you have to use bait or you
have to use dogs and you know that's how
they used to hunt them in a lot of
places they used to you know tree them
with dogs then people would shoot them and
people like well that's horrible too but
there's you have to control their
populations if you understand wildlife
wildlife biology and wildlife management you
you must control the populations of
predators and then you know like john and
jen up in Alberta where they took me they
know how to cook bear like really good jen is
an excellent cook and she she'll cook a bear
roast and she rubs it down and put it puts
it in a traeger and they'll slow cook it for
12 hours smoking the bear was it the bear
you killed you could eat that one we
definitely ate some of that too and
there's another thing that ranella taught
me um called bear candy which was great
it's like basically like it's like
chinese food it's like sweet and sour
bear it was really good yeah and then
cam uh brought over some bear sticks he
gets some meat sticks made at this one
butcher that he goes to this one meat
processing place but you bear is the
misconception is that bear tastes bad it
does not taste bad it tastes like beef it
tastes like a weird beefy kind of animal
you know here's a weird fun fact when
settlers or the pioneers first were
making their way across north america
they didn't eat deer they were eating
bear and they were using deer for skins
so a deer skin was worth one dollar and
that's where the term buck come from no
fucking way yes the term a buck comes
from these the price of a deer skin
no yeah they were just throwing the meat
away exactly wow how long ago was this
the 1700s 1800s they didn't know any
wow not only that you know all those
buffalo that people shot like buffalo is
like very expensive meat it's delicious
it's fantastic i think it's superior to
beef they didn't eat the beef they
didn't eat the buffalo they were eating
their tongues they were they were
killing them initially for their tongues
and then they would pickle the tongues
and send them to new york and people in
new york were eating pickled buffalo tongues
wow they were throwing away thousands of
pounds of buffalo good buffalo meat yeah
oh wow thousands of pounds and then they
started using their skins so buffalo
hides became valuable but it wasn't the
meat that they were after which is crazy
because they basically almost made them
extinct right they came like within a
hair's breadth of making bison extinct in
north america just by giving away tongues
well also because they they opened it up
to the market so market hunting was a
giant problem with wildlife in north
america so what what what that what that
means is they didn't have refrigeration
back then right so you needed a constant
supply of meat and you know you could salt
things down and transport them that way and
there's a bunch of different ways to
avoid the breakdown of bacteria but
essentially you couldn't there was no
fucking freezers you know and so market
hunting almost wiped out all the whitetail
it removed elk from most states you know
the states that are in right that have elk
wild elk right now are a tiny handful of
the states that used to have elk in like
the 1600s the 1700s it's all the
settlers came from you know wherever and
they shot them all wow and they shot
them all and brought them all to market
you know that was a lot of it and so then
they made market hunting illegal and then
you know they designated areas uh public
land and you know this is the teddy
roosevelt thing and what they did was
really an amazing um what what they did
is an amazing example of conservation in
north america that really doesn't exist
anywhere else is our wildlife management
and also our natural resources public land
management so we have public land in north
america where you can you could you could
apply for a tag you could get it like the
like we did with that mule deer we shot
that mule deer in montana we got a tag and
went out into the missouri breaks and then
we you know found that animal and shot it and
ate it and anybody could do that you it's
part of you being an american if you you
know fill out the right paperwork and pay for
the tags and all that pays for the management of
this land and for wildlife biologists and park
rangers and all those kind of different
people that game wardens that that help you
know keep all this stuff managed wow see i
didn't know you could hunt public lands
until recently whenever cam and them were
fighting back about the bill that was trying
to get rid of some of us yeah man they were
trying to sell off some public land it's a
fucking dangerous slippery slope and you
can't let that happen ever it's kind of like
freedom of speech man any infraction of
freedom of speech is a complete infraction
freedom of speech yeah so i mean it's
deteriorating really badly right now in
the uk i'm loving the outdoors though i'm
loving learning about it like even hearing
you talk i'm just over here like yes
ah it's an amazing thing you know i just
got my first hunting license yesterday you
know what i'm saying day before yesterday
so it's a big deal for me that's awesome i'm
having you want to hear my first big
amateur mistake i made sure this is a good
one i told you one of them but i'll tell
you why i didn't tell you because it's way
better i'll save this one for the air
um we're in there the first night and
it's like kind of it's not nippy but it's
like when the sun went down it was cool but
it was still you know i was so adrenaline
up the first night a doe comes out joe and i
thought i was going to shit myself i mean i
had to stand up i farted my stomach was
bad it was just so it was every emotion i
didn't think i was gonna feel and i'm
doing it with like the greatest bow
hunter ever sitting behind me and lucky
for us cam's a sweet dude so he's just
entertained by it he really loves helping
people get into bowhunting you know that
speaks again to who he is like to be who
you are and that'd be like me loving going
and meeting first-time songwriters like
i've never wrote a song and we'd be like
that's my favorite let me sit down and
show you how to start you know what i
mean which i don't necessarily feel that
way to be honest so it's like for him to
care but i'm sitting there and the next
morning we go and uh it's fucking cold
and i'm shaking anyways because i you
know i'm nervous and i'm shaking
because it's cold so when we go back
that night i bring my hoodie in case it
gets cold but i don't put it on and
we're sitting there as soon as the sun
goes down a little bit it gets cold in
that blind bubble yeah and i'm sitting
there like well you're also not moving
not moving if you were walking around
in the cold that's a different no we're
just sitting and i'm like yeah and i'm
like cold cold and i don't even think
about it and there now keep in mind
there's two does in front of us and
there's a buck maybe 80 yards away cam
said this and it's the most gangster
thing bow hunting starts where rifle
in rifle hunting ends bow hunting begins
where rifle hunting ends yeah the moment
you see a buck when you're rifle
hunting for those listeners that don't
know you just shoot it it's that easy
you see the buck you better shoot it
right then as soon as you get a clean
shot the moment you see the buck when
you're bow hunting that's operation
chill get them as close as you can get
them and find the right shot it's the
total opposite of rifle hunting which i
haven't rifle hunted since i was 10
anyways but um so i'm sitting there and
it's cold and there's i see the buck in
the back and i'm like you know what can i
ask you something yes sir you're not
allowed to own a firearm are you're
allowed to operate one no sir no so you
can't rifle hunt at all no sir i'm on my
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oh this is slippery slope for me i am up for a
pardon this year my paperwork has been sent
into my governor and he considers pardons in
every december so every day i'm just kind of
praying you know what i mean um but even if he
gives me the pardon unfortunately tennessee has a zero forgiveness policy for
violent offenders so i would be pardoned but i
wouldn't be um adjudicated what's it called
uh um when they um exonerated exonerated um i wouldn't be good with the charters
aren't completely gone so what i'd have to do is and this is my
hope is that my goal in this is that i want to reach out to legislation
eventually and go hey like if nothing else i'd like my run my
right to hunt like it's done a lot for my mental health it's done a lot for my
my physical health like it's been a being able to start going on that first
boat
these are little markers that i put on the calendar
you know when i'm 400 and something pounds and i'm like all right next year
cam said he's taking me on my bow hunt i gotta get there
you know what i mean like all right next year i'm not going to run that 5k in
an
hour and a half i'm going to do it in 45 minutes
you know what i mean like these are those markers so i want to go to them and
go
look i understand if you've ever raped somebody or killed somebody
but i think that every it should there should be some path to redemption
even if it takes 30 years put something unrealistic up there you don't can't
get a
speeding ticket for 20 years but like i think it's important for people to have
a path to redemption i'm a redemption guy and you know if god didn't just show
me so many paths you know what i mean then well i think it's one of the more
beautiful aspects of christianity right that it does offer you a path to
redemption like a true legitimate path where you can become a different person
literally yeah and people not judge you on the old person anymore judge you on
the
person i get it for the public safety aspect of it it's hard to know if a
person's
redeemed themselves i get that it's hard and if you make the wrong decision man
i
could i couldn't bear the burden of your conscience of that neither
right but then you do have cases and i know i'm not the only one
of people who have like even little things like i mean outside of hunting joe
it's not that i'm a big you know i don't have a
i just wish i could protect myself right you know what i mean it's like i'm a
million dollars plus a year in security i'd cut that bill in half tomorrow if i
had a
right to carry right you know what i mean for sure you know but um but at least
let me hunt i mean my heart's right i just want to feed the family and go out
and spend some time with the boys and do some population control if we don't
kill
them deer in tennessee they're taking over anyways you know what i'm saying
i'm sure you got a lot down there they're every not like these monsters down
here
but they're everywhere yeah well that place that you're at is a
particularly unique place cactus jack giant deer dude it's called hunt cactus
jack or it's um i found this out do you remember the old vice president from
here was called cactus jack no will you look this up jamie this is a cool
story so the vice president i think it might have been
during roosevelt's term maybe even or one of those
uh maybe teddy but his vice president was a texas
uh governor or something and the guy was famous because he's the one who
tried to make the cactus plant the texas state plant
so they called him cactus jack because of that
and then cactus jack yeah there it is
there he is look at him look at him dude he looks like a cactus jack
yeah jim nance garner wow he was a lawyer a long-time congressman uh he was the
one
who tried to make the cactus is uh the state flower texas wow yeah who was the
vice president to roosevelt yeah the effort failed in favor of the blue
bonnet but cactus jack moniker stuck with him throughout his long political
career so so when he opened this place uh
how many years ago the guy who bought it from him
was super excited he told me the story last
that's cactus jack cigar with two pistols
we could never get away with that right now in politics
i know right um but cactus jack he's uh but the ranch is great the guy who owns
it mr jerry was
telling me the history of it last night they kept true
texas deer genetics a lot of the texas ranches will have import genetics
and he was like cactus jack was big about making this a tried and true texas
ranch
and he's he is dead set on dying by keeping it that way this guy jerry that
owns it well it's like
especially south texas hunting white-tailed deer is like a religion it's a
religion yeah it's a big
thing for those folks they big deal and to to grow big deer down there and to
make sure that you
manage the genetics correctly like you don't shoot any animal that's under like
six or seven years old
and you know there's a place that i hunt in uh utah that does that with elk it's
like they a really
well managed place does that they make sure so like there's some places where
when they have hunting season everybody just goes out into the woods kids get a
day off school and
they shoot everything they can which is great you get meat it's great but the
problem is if you want
very impressive animals that are mature which is all also better for the entire
genetics of the herd
because these are the the animals that have lived a full life they've spread
their genes and then you
shoot them at the end at the end of their life so they've had a long full and
by the way when you're
getting an animal that's seven eight nine years old they really don't have much
time left well you
know they were telling me reality you're so right about that they were saying
some of them
they'll try to wait and let them have another year and they won't make it
anyways yeah they won't
make it through the winter sometimes i just you know they just won't make it he
said so they've uh
yeah no they're they're dead this guy's doing it i mean obviously i'm not the
case study cams to talk
about it because i've been on one hunt but the deer i see on my property back
home compared to these
deer these deers would eat those deers you know what i'm saying like these
those these deers would
fuck those deers in the butt you know what i'm saying it's like it just it's a
totally different
thing it is a different thing with but that's a very exceptional place so i go
i go to put my hoodie
on that's where i fuck up joe i'm cold in this fucking blind and i go like i
said cam hold my boat
i should have said cam can i put my hoodie on because cam would have been like
no you know what
i'm saying right but i was like all right and in my mind so i was going to
slide one arm through
uh-huh and i was going to wait 30 seconds to slide the other arm through
because i didn't want to be
shaking if i got my shot and i seen my buck across the field right but i put
first arm through and i
looked up it was like a movie joe all three deer in the field went right into
my soul and ran away
and i looked at cam i was like that was me huh he was like oh yeah they don't
like that stuff i was
like you can't never came back no never came back the sound is like they hear
everything
like 10 times louder than you do look at their ears their ears rotate and turn
and do this those are
antenna listening for predators no so they hear the ruffling of clothes like
what is that they were
like that's a human yeah that's like a fucking human and when they're down
there that's the main
predator yeah the main predator is us no they it was it was amateur hour at the
apollo dude at least
cam got a hook hoot out of i learned a big lesson of course too you know but
bro they look at you
too when a whitetail busts you they look you like it's a weird no it's like it's
almost like he but
when i say they looked right up at me joe it was like from from feed to eye
contact with me i was
like oh fuck you know what i'm saying i felt like a deer in headlights i was
like oh shit he got me
well people put felt on the rest just so that when the arrow slides it's not
making any sound
you gotta be real slow and how you draw back but it's something else it's like
rifle hunting which i
can't rifle hunt but we have a bunch of stands on my property and i'll go sit
on them just to watch
deer with my little boy and um you know that that thing will be there are two
football fields away from
where the deer are you'll be sitting up there with a heater on listening to a
podcast smoking a joint
watching a deer like about a gun i'd kill it you know what i'm saying right so
i showed up first day
with cam and i got my little weed pin in my pocket and as soon as we sat down
and i seen a buck from
here to a little bit past jamie from me i was like oh yeah we can't smoke in
here or talk i was like
this is real dude it's a totally different thing it's a different fear too like
you get excited when
you see one out of a blind from 100 yards 200 yards you know 50 yards 70 yards
but when you see one
20 yard 30 yards away from you and you're sitting there with just a stick with
a piece of metal on it
kind of you know what i'm saying in a string ultimately you got a glorified
that what came
right after the slingshot right you know what i mean and you're like this is me
and this animal
right now yeah it is the fucking craziest feeling i've ever felt in my life
dude i wrestled at
summer slam it felt like that it felt like when logan paul was going to jump
through the table
it was that feeling the whole time yeah this is it oh wow that's a big look
that was me really
shaking dude that's a big buck oh dude we had so much we're having a i'm having
to tie my life
that's a tiny little hole you see what i'm going through here look at him but i
just a lot you have
a light on your pins you have a sight light no sir okay um are you using a spot
hog what what kind of
uh i think so beautiful bird cam set it up for me cam must be a is it wayne is
wayne's name at the
bow rack yeah camp wayne i love you wayne shout out to wayne yeah you got a
spot oh by the way
that's a booner your your your bow shot just dropped me off um kickstand for it
though what
do y'all oh beautiful archery country yep yep yep thank you for that by the way
oh please because
in the stand i'm having to hold it on my lap you know what i mean so brigham
hit him for me and was
like yo while we're doing rogan can you just drop off a kickstand for jelly
yeah i dropped one those
hoyt has it set up so that they're retractable too the way it's set up it's
perfect you just set
it down it's perfect i bought 200 arrows and i put them 100 on my back porch in
a bucket and i have
like 30 targets in my backyard now and i sent the 100 of them on my farm's back
porch with like 30 targets
and now i literally wake up let my dog out and just let a hundred rip first
thing in the morning just
rip a hole hunter takes you like 45 minutes good exercise oh yeah and i only
have to pull them once
it's also the concentration clears your mind because it's so hard to do to hit
a target especially at a
distance you're when you know your whole thing is just everything's got to be
like coordinated and
sync and on that release and that arrow flies and it goes right into there oh i
love it it's a it's
i love it about concentration it's one of the only things i've ever done that
when i'm standing there
even over a target especially over a deer but even over a target and i pull
that bow back it's like
you said about the mountains like nothing in the world matters right now the
world goes away i don't
hear i don't even hear my inner monologue yeah all i see is that little green
pin on that target
fred bear had a great quote about a troubled mind like nothing nothing clears a
troubled mind like
shooting a bow and it's so true it's like there's something about how difficult
it is that it really
requires everything of you it requires all of your concentration you can't have
like distracting
thoughts like oh i forgot to pay that bill oh i gotta call that guy back oh i
gotta do this oh i gotta
do that you can't have anything in there and because of that it's like a moving
meditation
like it forces you to be completely present in the moment and that that cleans
the mind out you're
talking about moving meditation i was thinking about when you were saying that
even down to the breathing
like the importance of the
it's also you're gonna learn how to manage your nerves right so there's gonna
this is a process and
it's a journey and so along the way you're gonna have some moments where a deer
comes in or an elk
comes in where you're you see your body shaking freaking out but then in the
future you're gonna know
okay i know when this is coming now i know how to stay calm and now i see us
coming like nah
bitch we ain't we ain't getting there we're not going there we're staying right
here i call it going
dead like you go dead like all this anticipation and what if i miss and what if
i do this and what
if he runs what if he turns nothing i don't let nothing in you don't let
nothing in and you just like
exist like a cat like you're like a cat like staring at the thing you're about
to kill just locked
in there's no negative at all you don't ever let those emotions creep in you
know i asked cam i'm
like do you ever check your heart rate when you shoot and he's like yeah it
doesn't even move
like yeah because he knows how to stay in that moment yeah he knows how to stay
calm afterwards
it's like yay everybody's great and everybody's happy and oh my god look at
this is incredible
it worked out what a perfect shot i can't wait to feel that hugs yeah can't
think about that though
can't think about the result never think about the result always think about
the process i'm
always thinking about the process i'm having fun with the process here process
is amazing cam was
saying that i felt so badly to cam and i said camera you're not mad that we sat
four times and i
haven't got one yet especially since i've fucked it up once and twice had to
pee today but um but
we've been in there four hours i mean i was like cam that buck's not coming
back
especially if you're staying hydrated yeah i'm staying hydrated like cam i got
it yeah but
that guy has amazing patience no he said he smiled he was like this is what i'm
here for above
he said i'm glad you're getting the journey and i was like i think if i came
here and just shot one
it wouldn't have been i've sat forward to i've really i'm working for this deer
oh yeah yeah i
pulled on him three times this morning joe and just could not and cam was proud
of me though
because i was like i just don't have the shot cam because he a whispers in my
ear he goes you got
a shot and i've been um i forgot who wrote it but it's a little book called
lying have you ever
seen this book no it's like a jamie it's like a little bitty book it's just
called lying
but it's like some off you got to check it it's a really cool book and it just
talks about us lying
and it was the book that talked about me lying to myself and right then i had
to fight that urge
to lie because it wouldn't have been a lie if i'd have said yes i got a shot
but i didn't i didn't
have a good shot right so instead i go i don't get one i like cam cam goes and
he just put his hand
on my sword he said i'm proud of you for that and i just let it down you know
what i mean like
yeah i was at least even in the moment of like i want to kill this deer so i
would be so cool
imagine if i went on joe rogan's after killing my first buck this morning and i
was like but i was
like this ain't the shot you know what i mean like i want the first one to be
the shot i want to be
proud of it you know i don't want to harm an animal yeah you know what i mean i
don't want
an animal to suffer i want to double lung it i want to drop it like a movie you
know what i'm saying
yeah and if i have to sit here eight more times to get that shot yeah it'll
just make it this
i'm just getting better i'm learning more i'm learning how to listen for stuff
i'm seeing things now i
know when they're looking what the wind means i learned what barometric
pressure is what it does to
it's all kind of cool stuff dude i'm like a little nerd there i'm like the
little kid walking around
asking questions all day well there's a really big learning curve to hunting
particularly bow hunting
and it's really interesting look you just keep learning stuff like i've been
doing it now for
i guess i've been bow hunting for 12 years or 13 years i guess 12 years and i'm
still learning i learn
all the time i mean i'm you know i it's one of the most rewarding things that i've
ever done you know
and and especially in terms of like getting pretty decent at it getting proficient
at it and having a
bunch of success and success begets more success i love it and then when you
eat it it's different than
any other meal you're you'll ever eat when i when i pull an elk steak out of my
freezer and i thaw it
out and then i throw it on the traeger and i throw some olive oil on it and i
like this saskatchewan
blackened saskatchewan rub that they have it's my favorite for elk and i get
that sucker up to 120
degrees and then i bring it inside and i sear it on a cast iron frying pan then
i eat it oh man it's
magical i remember i remember the whack when that elbow hit him in the lungs
that whack that sounds whack how crazy is it hunting elk oh they're crazy they're
crazy they
fucking scream oh that would scare the shit out of it it's magical i hunted uh
with cam this september
and uh i got this elk that was uh he had he was coming over the mountains with
his cows
and uh we saw him we're like whoa that's a good one and like we got to try to
get to him so we had
to go over the top of this ridge and go down into this valley and go through
the woods and as we got to
where he was another elk stole his fucking cows and so by the time we got to
the woods we were trying
to like we're following the screams because he was still screaming they were
screaming the cows
so we we get through the woods and then we realized oh shit he got his cow
stolen so his cows we saw the
last of his cows run up this hill run up the side of this mountain and uh he
was going after them he
was like slowly and then my my guy colton that i was with he called he went you
know he busted this
little elk the cow elk call and you see the elk go like this it's like a record
skips you know like
and then he turns and he's like slowly starts walking i was at full draw for
like a minute and a half
behind this tree just holding for a minute and a half while this dude was he
was about 25 yards but he did
not like it he's like something's going on here i don't see the cow what the
fuck is happening here
so he went around sideways to try to get our wind and as soon as he went around
sideways as soon as
he got clear i saw him put that pin on him saw swack he hit him he was dead in
15 seconds oh 15 seconds
he he he he he got hit he's like what the fuck he rolled he he turned started
going downhill and then
fell and rolled and it was over like that and then i think at that moment every
time i eat it every
time i'm cutting into that steak i think of that crazy moment you know god that
is a wild moment dude
and it's also after miles and miles of trekking up these mountains you're at
seven thousand seven
hundred feet above sea level if i can and you have to hunt hunt elk you don't
sit for them right you
got to kind of go out and find them there's no sitting yeah you go find them
you're
fucking exhausted every day let's go baby yeah it's crazy that's what i'm
training for joe rogan
oh 100 that's what i'm getting in shape when when june starts rolling around
that's when i start
really ramping up the cardio that's when i start ramping up the airdyne bike
and ramping up the steps
when i start doing step ups on boxes and i start doing like body weights september
wow okay
so right around june is when i really just kick into
leg strengthening leg conditioning and cardio time right because you know you're
going to have to go
they live in the mountains man which is interesting because they didn't used to
be like they were more
like living in the plains until people start fucking with them and then they
like realize like the best
way to get away from people is to get way up where it's difficult to get to so
if you want to get them
you got to go where it's difficult to get to so you got to get in shape yeah
that and that's the stuff
like i hope somebody's listening to this right now going man i'll never be able
to elk hunt yeah
you can yeah you can i promise you can you walk then you can do it you can do
it just start walking
tomorrow and start going forward and yeah even then don't you know it's your
big goal put little goals
in between there that was another big one for me was like i had these big goals
but i didn't get
they were so far i realized i'd lose sight of them sometimes so you got to set
them little
little baby goals in the middle you know what i mean those little like you know
what i'm going to walk
a mile five days this week no matter what the weather is i'm going to walk a
whole mile you
know i'm going to walk to my mailbox and back whatever your starting point is
and then i encourage
you to start making the decision that's hard because me and cam talked about
this when we ran our 5k
there's a hill my driveway comes down a driveway comes down a hill and you bust
a right joe
and then you can go left into a neighborhood the same run i run every day or
you can go right up a
hill and it is a hill hill you know and the first day i came out and i looked
up that hill and i looked
to the left and i took two steps to the left and i stopped and i told myself i
was like i'm learning
about stories we tell ourselves the story i've been telling myself my whole
life was take the easy way
out my entire life joe i have always looked for the path of the easiest like a
to b straight line you
know what i mean and i was like i break that today i turn right fuck you you
feel it don't you it's big
right then big it's a big move big moment when you're like no i'm hitting that
fucking hill yeah
you know because i'm big fat people hate hills stairs we hate all that shit so
i'm like i'm like
hit the hill you know and i'm walking and i'm stopping and i'm walking and i'm
stopping and i'm
walking and i stop i just kept going when i got to the top of it there was a
telephone pole up
there and i went and slapped it i just slapped the shit out of it oh and i was
just i felt so
achieved and i came down the hill and then i took a left and i was going to go
straight down to the
stop sign and back but if you take a left you can go up another hill so i was
in my mind i was like
i'm going to stop sign i hit the hill but as i was walking by that other hill i
was like
this is the new you you hit the hill dog this is the new you today is the new
you you hit the hill
left hit the fucking hill come back down on my way home that day look up see
that hill it's right
by my house i go fuck i made it one more time you know what i mean and then it
started becoming a
thing where it's like i started adopting that philosophy in life now joe i hit
the hill first
whatever the hardest thing is whatever scares me the most whatever i think is
going to be the most
daunting of the day it's like put that motherfucker on the table right now let
me see that
bitch first and it makes the rest of your life easier too that's what's really
important when you
elect to make these decisions conscious decisions to do a difficult thing
voluntarily you elect to do
that then the rest of your life becomes way easier because the most difficult
thing of your day is
always the most difficult thing of your day whether you decide to do it or
whether life throws it at
you and you can decide to give yourself some shit that's way harder than
anything life's going to
throw at you and then the rest of life becomes easy it makes you ready to deal
with life it's also very
important for famous people yes it's very important for famous people because
for famous the the
pressures and the weirdness of fame most people don't understand the
psychological burden that they
that that carries that that how that hits you and it can really fuck with you
and one of the
best ways that i've found to keep it from fucking with me is to make the
hardest part of my day my
choice i do it yes i put myself through so other stuff that seems difficult for
other people that
don't work out or don't take on challenging tasks yeah it's not that difficult
for me it's easy i'm already
torturing myself every fucking day and i feel weirdly more qualified to deal
with shit when i do though yeah like
when i have a really hard run i walk into the house that day like i don't care
what comes at me today
exactly i am on fire i'll give you another quick there's nothing harder than
what you're doing you're
barely alive right you're breathing so hard your your heart is pounding nothing
in life is giving you
that nothing in life is giving you that kind of burden no so if you can do that
to yourself it'll make the
rest of your life way easier and then it it believe it or not it gets funner
like it goes back to my
first uh year walking was miserable i won't lie to people that are listening to
this i didn't enjoy
one of those walks you know what i mean not one i didn't have one time but when
the weight started
coming off and i started being able to breathe a little better like i wasn't
just fighting for
oxygen every single step and that moment happens though if you're patient the
next thing you know
you're running with your friends and y'all are talking about the football game
and you're firing on
all cylinders today when you were on that treadmill you were talking we were
watching the volkanov
excuse me the pyotr jan yeah marab dwavish willie fight we were giving
commentary yeah it's like
you do it and it makes as you were running like oh i remember when that kick
landed yeah i was like
that was loud i'm telling you dude as you're running just running and yeah and
it makes me mentally ready
now because i go out and i know david talked about this a lot goggins but i go
out there and beat
that bitch every day yeah all them negative thoughts that deal with them on my
run and my workout every
one of those you can't do it and you know what else i've learned if i have a
chance to eat bad today
it's going to happen on a day i didn't wake up and run right if i'm going to go
off off my program
because the days i run i don't want that right i know i earned it right and
mentally it makes me
better i woke up the other day and ran my farm and i come back and my son i'm
all excited we're going
to the titan game and i'm getting to connect with my son and i go um hop on a
four-wheeler right up to
the top of the hill i'll run up there and meet you i'm getting a little more
exercise in and when i'm
running up to the top of the hill i look up and he stuck he stopped somewhere
going down another hill
that i thought he was going to go down and right then i realized it's the hill
that he fell and broke
his wrist on riding a four-wheeler last year and he stopped up there because he's
scared and his friend
already went down joe i thank god in that moment i said jesus thank you i'm
ready for this i've ran i'm not i'm i
feel the endorphins like i am ready to parent this moment most of the time you
know as a parent you
walk into these crazy moments and you're like oh not fully ready for this
moment you know what i mean
like we blow them and you look back and go i wasn't ready for that one
necessarily yeah and i walk up
to him and i credit this to running i walk up and i go what's up buddy and he
goes i think this is the
hill dad i go it is buddy he goes i'm scared and i go dude i've been scared for
35 years and i never
admitted it so you're already way better than me like you're already twice the
man i am i said now
what we got to do is know we know what we're feeling what are we going to do it's
me and you
buddy what are we going to do he goes well i don't want to drive it i go what
if i ride with you he goes
will you sit on the back of this now he's on a 90. you know what i'm talking
about you know for
people at home this is a nine-year-old four-wheeler and even then i start just
thanking god in my head
where i was like i'm ready for this for the first time ever i'm not too fat to
get on this thing with
him probably gonna rub a little bit you know what i'm saying but i can get on
the back of it and i
sit down on the back of it and he says we grabbed a steering wheel i go no
buddy but i'll grab your
waist i said you don't need me to touch that steering wheel you just need me
with you
crushes it down the hill nice you know what i mean that's awesome you get to
have the moment where
you get to go now what we learned there buddy he goes i learned that i can do
it as long as you're with
me i said no buddy you learned that you can do it you just need you just
thought you needed me with
you right i said but here's the good news jesus is always with you bubba you
got this like just go
like don't be afraid of this man he drove it back up the hill so then i said do
me a favor
just ride up top of the hill and ride back down i'll be sitting here waiting
for you
if you start to go south i'll run and jump on you i'll do whatever i'll save
you i'll go
i'll i'll die for you boy just come down that hill he drove right up the top of
that hill turned
around came right down to jail and it's like i was ready for it though i'd
already did the hard
stuff that day you know what i mean having an emotional moment with my son was
the easiest
part of my day after that i'd already ran three four miles you know what i mean
i'd already woke up and
gap myself in a headspace of like i'm gonna pour into my son today i'm gonna i'm
gonna take him to get
his favorite suite from the titan game i'm gonna get him a cam war jersey i'd
already had a thing of
ways i was going to connect with him and then god gave me a whole new
opportunity yeah you know what
i mean like god gave me a real opportunity i was making ways to connect like
how we could probably do
this and this will be fun but like it just naturally came yeah i wasn't ready
for that at 500 pounds one
i would have never been like go up there hill you have 500 pounds i'm like you
want to sit here and
watch a movie right no kid wants to sit and watch a movie at nine years old for
all parents out there
that are 500 pounds you know what i mean i'll answer for them um but to be in
that kind of place with
them is like the joy of life like i i want somebody to hear this podcast i keep
saying it this way
and understand that you're not living the life you can right and it's so so
possible it's not easy but
it's possible and it's worth it it's so worth it joe you know the things that
are not easier are worth
it it's it's important to do things that are not easy it's really important it's
like if you you want
real peace peace doesn't come from rest peace comes from struggle peace comes
from struggle it really
does you have to you have to peace comes from challenge it comes from being
excited about
something doing something difficult figuring out you could do it building
resilience you know building
resilience is so important it's so important because there's just too many
people that are afraid of
resilience they're afraid of confrontation they're afraid of anything that's
difficult anything that's
struggle anything that's going to test them they're scared of it they don't
want that discomfort
but that discomfort is when you find true peace there was a guy that there's a
there's a famous
old tale that remind me of that but the guy goes um a young man looks at a rich
man one day and which
health happy man he goes uh how did you get where you are and the rich happy
man looks at him and goes
good decisions two words good decisions you ever heard this story no he goes
good decisions and the kid
goes well how did you make good decisions he goes one word experience and the
kid goes well how did you get
experience and the guy goes two words bad decisions
yeah you just gotta go do it dude yeah failure failure is critical failure and
the pain of failure is
also very important it sucks and it's hard in the moment you don't think you're
ever going to live
past this you're going to live in this moment forever and i can't do this i'm
gonna i can't live like
this i can't do this but get through it get through it get through it and now
you have resilience and
you'll become a whole you'll become a better person because of it like just
just taking and um i i used
to be that way and i'd get in shame about stuff like shame was a big thing for
me i'd be embarrassed
and i'd get into a spiral where i just wouldn't deal with things i'd be like i'm
just ashamed of that i
didn't do it right or i'm gonna fuck up or i'll never do it right or i'll never
be able to do
that i use this kind of language it goes back to how we talk to ourselves right
you know it's like
this is and your body believes it you tell your body enough you're never going
to do nothing your
body will start to be like all right we're never going to do that you know but
it's like i realized
that it was more about actually just starting to go no man i can do that you
know what i mean like
i can figure that out and now i get motivated every time i've left that deer
blind without one
of them bucks every time we get in the truck i'm all i'm smiles cam goes how
you feeling i was like
dog i am going to get good at this you know what i mean like i look at it
different i don't look at
it like oh i suck i look at it like dog yeah i am eight hours into ten thousand
of these hours you
know what i'm saying like y'all be patient with me i'm only on hour eight you
know what i'm saying
like but i promise y'all i'll be a whole different dude but god eight hours
into something like
that is so nice because you know you have so much to learn and if you just look
at it that way like
what a beautiful blessing it is to have so many opportunities to do things so
many times that
you're going to be able to learn so much time to grow so much time to get
better you have so much
room i mean if you're already cam heinz boy it's so difficult to get better
when you're the best yeah
for sure so hard yes 100 all you can do is help me and you know he's just
challenged by moments
so he just experiences a lot of challenging moments and he rises to the
occasion because he knows
because he's got 30 plus years of experience doing it and he knows how to do it
but for you it's like
you're in this beautiful place where it's all learning every day is a new
lesson even mistakes like
putting your hoodie on okay yeah now we know now i know i'm gonna wear the
hoodie i tell you what
tomorrow night i'm gonna wear the hoodie if it's 80 because i don't care i'd
rather sweat in it and
then when it gets cold i'm ready then be not ready and you're gonna have a
bunch of those i i had one
elk hunting this september that we we were going after these elk that were in
this thickly wooded
uh section and we were in this open area and uh we were we were trying to
figure out where this bull is
because he was running cows through there and you would catch glimpses of them
and so we decided to move
around to this new spot and as we decided to move around to this new spot we
were like you know what
we're gonna have to go up this ridge and go around this way and come at him
from another direction
so as we started to do that he changed and he he ran out through the woods into
the clearing and i was
stuck out in the open just standing there like staring i'm like fuck if i just
stayed in cover i would
have got this motherfucker but i got impatient and i tried to like run out and
meet and you know it's
one of those lessons like okay now next time better 12 years in that makes me
feel good oh god i'm not
even close to knowing what the fuck i'm doing you know i i need a lot of
lessons i'm green as a pool
table twice the square it's bad i'm out there so lost joe it's got to be at
least entertaining for
everybody it's so exciting though and you'll get that success it'll it'll come
i'm having so much
fun you know i was like i i think i'm gonna get a buck this week i believe it
but if i don't i got so
many lessons and i'll be back the next week they'll let me back to try yeah you
know you'll find the
moment you'll find the moment it's gonna come it's gonna come with persistence
and just putting in the
time and i feel like the universe just gives you these opportunities and let
and when when it's
there you'll have this big burst like this breakthrough moment like okay i did
it yeah i
fucking did it i did it okay i'm gonna cook this year this deer is good you'll
be salting that thing
and slapping on the grill watching it sizzle smelling it oh the smell oh oh and
then when you go to cook
it you're like oh my god this is the best food i've ever eaten in my life is
the best bite of food
because it's a bite of food with an experience attached to it it's not just a
bite of and it's
the best meat on planet earth the healthiest food you can get you want to talk
about like density you
were talking about like density of nutrition there's nothing more dense than
wild game it's like twice as
much protein as a piece of beef yeah twice as much for the same amount of
ounces yeah it's wow it's so
good for you same calories no like probably less wow you're eating an athlete
oh yeah for sure you're
eating like an athlete you know that's correct i never thought of it that way
yeah man i've never
ate a bunch of game though obviously this is also new game is the best thing
for you by far there's
not no better food than wild game i've never had an elk steak i want one oh my
goodness you gotta try
one oh i wish i had one right here to cook for you i wish i had a grill we'll
do one the good
news is we'll do it the right way we'll cook when i kill yes that'll be the big
moment yes if i waited
this long i might as well go smack it'll be so exciting it's and then you're
then you're going
to be fully fully fully fully hooked yeah yeah once you actually do it like
when i shot that that um
mule deer that's on that table and you know ranella did the same thing that cam
did for you
you know he took me he showed me what to do he took me out there and completely
green i never even shot a
rifle before i only shot a rifle like three luckily and i'm not saying rifle
hunting is easy for people
that rifle hunt and think it's really very difficult it's very difficult but it's
not as difficult as
bow hunting and which is why i was able to be successful on my first ever rifle
hunt you know
being successful on a bow hunt for mule deer good luck a bow hunting for mule
deer has a very low
success rate like even with elite hunters it's a because it's a very cagey
animal they're very
intelligent but super fast too right we were eating this animal we we shot it
we we packed it out we
started a campfire we're cooking it and i remember steve said to me what do you
think i said i'm doing
this forever yeah forever yeah i knew at that moment i was like well i'm gonna
be a hunter now
like that's what i'm doing forever because i was on my way to being a
vegetarian i was like i don't i
watch too many pita videos and i'm like oh my god factory farming is so awful
it's so terrible you
know i didn't understand like regenerative farming and ranching and i i eat
beef now i i mean i i never
stopped eating beef but eating wild game is a different thing it's it's a
different like i said
it's food with experience attached to it there's something very spiritual about
it and it's also it
connects you to a part of mankind's history that is is it's intertwined in your
dna like there's something
about it you know like for people that have never experienced before you know
the feeling that you get
when you catch a fish even little kids man i remember my daughter caught her
first fish when
she was like six she caught a bass and she was so excited oh you get it that is
in our dna because
that means that you're going to live you're going to eat you're going to feed
your family that's why
that is so exciting to catch a fish shooting an animal and killing it and
eating it knowing that
you can eat it for months is that times like a hundred shooting an animal with
a bow is that
times a thousand oh it made me think about when i was thinking about animal
killing and bows especially
now because i'm thinking about this a lot obviously i'm in the middle of it but
there's this thing
that's happening there where it's like the concept that back in the day a man
left with this stick and
piece of metal or just a stick back then a shaved stick and a string it was
like if this goes good i
will come back with enough to feed our tribe yeah this entire village of people
i will bring a deer
and we will all eat together that's crazy it is crazy that that was once the
way it actually went
and it was the only way this is uh from here this who knows how old that is wow
yeah a friend of mine
got that on his ranch and gave it to me oh yeah this is crazy yeah so some
native american probably comanche
because it's here in in austin and that guy who made that made it himself
attached it with sinew and
and and and and twine and put it on a stick that he had shaved down and put
feathers on it that he had
got from a bird and and you know glue that they had made from they made glue
from all kinds of different
things and and he he shot that probably into an animal and it fed his family
yeah and then that was
lost in the dirt and then a thousand years later somebody found it it still
stands yeah and it's
here yeah it's crazy and that he came home like a hero yeah you know what i'm
saying like man you're
right that feeling of catching that fish my daughter felt it too when she was
six i took her bluegill
fishing yeah a little i had a little spot in the lake where you could just
drive and catch a bluegill
almost every time you know they're pretty little fishes it's so exciting she
would have a ball
yeah it's so exciting she would have i took my wife to uh fish for the first
time when she came moved
down from vegas and i thought i wasn't thinking joe this was a user error but i
was like oh my
friend's got a spot catfish pond i was like this is great do you just throw it
out there she'll get
her a big old hog of a catfish i wasn't thinking about how brutally hard it is
to unhook catfish like
compared to a bass or a bluegill you know what i mean and of course i get a
bass that swallows
the fucking oh no so here we fight this bass i mean there's a catfish in and
she's all excited
until it gets there and it to this day was the most brutal ripping out of joe
she's never went back
she was disgusted she was all in until after like once we got should have just
clipped it threw it
back in but i was just determined to get you know how you are when you're stuck
coming out and it was
just horrible yeah i'd look like uh yeah but the good news is i think i've got
her talking to want
a deer hunt after i do because um uh rihanna goes uh cam's assistant she loves
bunny and uh and i
think that'd be digestible for bunny like if she went with another chick that
was cool you know what
i mean it's a big time bow hunter she'll show her how to do it maybe she'll get
hooked too i know she
was good because she was talking about hitting one yesterday she was like i had
a shot on one at like
40 almost i had one at 40 yards out but i didn't have a shot right then i was
like you were going to
take a shot at 40 yards if you had one that's crazy bow hunting skill i was
like yeah uh this uh
the ability to shoot at distance is really tricky because you got to take into
account wind you got
to take into account the movement of the animal you got to be assured that that
because like like um
there's a do you see that elk that's on the wall out front with a photo of cam
and and i actually that
was 67 yards whoa yeah we got a video of that so this elk was standing at 67
yards and he's just
stopped he had fought off these other elk and he was tired and he just stopped
and that arrow i'll
never forget that arrow that i was like right in the 10 ring it was a perfect
shot and for almost 70 out
yeah and he ran and he just piled up he just ran right over the top of this
hill and boom
and he was done but it was that was years and years and years of every day
in the backyard all day long i mean i i shot so many hours i fucked my shoulder
up i
fucked my lower back i was because i'm obsessive yeah i will shoot for four or
five hours a day
and i'm pulling an 85 pound bow like 150 times a day it's ridiculous yeah it's
great it's like on your
body it's your body's like what the fuck are you doing for sure but i'm only
pulling 45 pounds but
when you do that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over and over and over
it becomes a part of your central nervous system it's like your brain just gets
locked in your your eye
immediately goes to that peep site it lines it up immediately with the site
housing you balance it all
out you put in the same place every time too always yeah you have to yeah you
have to have anchor points
i've got a little i got a bomar nose button that touches my nose i feel that on
my nose every time
where the string touches my nose this little thing just kind of pinches at your
nose yeah let you know
you're in the right spot yeah i'm gonna go get wayne to redo mine he did it but
we had it where it just
sat on my nose perfect and then i lost that weight so i mean more weight i lost
like 80 pounds since i got set
since i got set for the bow oh wow yeah this is like the never-ending problem
in my life right now
clothes are either super baggier i got one size too early so it's tight you
know because i'm just
having to constantly chase whatever's next right i can't wait until i'm just a
normal person i get
down a normal weight and you know put on a holiday weight like everybody else
and that's the fluctuation
that's wild i'm close though you're so close i got down i'm in like the 260s
right now 30-something
pounds of skin on me i'd like to lose another probably 40 is probably my goal
you're gonna be under 200
pounds that is that's the goal that's the goal i just want to see it once on a
scale just like as
an adult male see 190 just see like 199 just like wow that's crazy it still
feels weird telling people
i weigh something that starts with 200 i haven't weighed in the 200 since i was
like 12 well you know
what as you put on muscle you might stay in the 200s but it'll be a different
200 dude i'm i am i'm
packing man my i didn't my shoulders are like i'm proud of them i um yeah you
look different man like in in
every way in every way no it's like my posture is better like i sit better you're
not burdened by a
you're you're rucksacking 300 pounds everywhere you went all the time that's
crazy and your legs must be
so powerful i say that to ralphie may ralphie may unfortunately never lost the
weight and did wind up
dying young but i used to say to ralphie i'm like ralphie if you ever lost
weight you get kicked
through a fucking building with those legs yeah like his legs were carrying
around 500 pounds
everywhere he went oh yeah and everywhere he'd stand straight up and do a whole
hour yeah pacing the
stage and killing it yeah you know what i mean it's crazy yeah it's like one of
the best dude he was a
fun dude too was he fun outside oh yeah he's a sweetheart of a guy he was a
great cook too
and unfortunately after a while um you know he had a he had done it with
surgery and it didn't work he
you know like a lot of people that have that addiction he couldn't stop and he
thought like
surgery was the answer so he got his stomach done and then he ate through it
and then he had to get it
redone like he blew it out and so it got to a point where you know when they
then they cut your stomach
down they shrink your stomach the gastrointestinal bypass he got to a point
where he couldn't digest
meat so he would uh barbecue for us ralphie was a really good cook so he'd make
ribs they were
sensational but he couldn't eat them he had to be eating vegetables wow yeah
because his body wasn't
it wouldn't process the meat right yeah that's great that was after the bypass
right i think after the second bypass see that's um and once again it's like my
heart hurts you know
not that not that anybody could have made a difference maybe but man i just
wish yeah i mean
maybe maybe if he knew you and you guys did it together i could have just sat
down and be like bro
i know like i think that's why me and you doing this pod so important to me was
like i know there's
going to be people that are going to see clips of this that are 300 400 500
pounds and i want them to
like you can do it without a doubt like you really can't it like it's it's
actually worth it
it's small steps it's telling yourself the truth doing what you say you're
going to do meaning it
keeping your word but most importantly food food food food food dude yeah like
i just now started
showing the runs and stuff like because i think people appreciate seeing the
work but it's like what
was important really the weight's not lost in that that running the running is
what makes me feel good
it's fighting the demon right the weight's lost whenever i sit down at the
dinner table right and
i eat like a normal human i don't eat seven plates and six desserts you know
what i mean like that's
where it's at and that's that it's anytime i used to see guys like ralphie and
i would think at watching
i'd be like man there when you get to that size that's a there's a mental
component there's something
happening there there's some trauma attached to it or there's a story that you're
living in in your
mind it's just a you know your body's just reacting to a pattern it's always
had that you haven't been
able to get it out it's there's something you've got to really go in and roll
the sleeves up and
find of kind of find it like i did every kind of thinking back to i had this
therapist did the coolest
thing joe she looked at me and said when do you first remember being big i
talked to my sister shelby
about this the other day and i said uh and she said what i said which made me
cry because i never
talked to my family about this and i go i think the first time i realized i was
big was i was going to
get school clothes for elementary school and then back then they had a section
in the dellard's called
husky you remember this you're old enough to remember they had a husky section
yeah that's crazy you know
which is awesome i guess but you know and i just remember like not knowing what
it meant but just
knowing it was different and knowing that like i felt different like i felt
like i felt ashamed even at
that age a little bit being in this section you know what i mean like and i
didn't understand why
well kids are so brutal too so brutal and then i talked to my sister the other
day and i go shelby
man um do you remember the first time that you that you thought i was an
overweight kid and she goes oh
yeah i'll never forget it dude we took you to some store and they had a husky
section and you you
couldn't fit the jeans you had to shop in the husky section and she said dude
it tore you apart
and i was like wow okay so i lived in that shame forever too forever you know
what i mean like just
that constant shame but i did that work in therapy you know what i mean it had
had related that's why
i said earlier sometimes when i'm in the pantry mary b would be like who's what
version of you is in
the pantry is it the kid you or is it the adult you that's not answering an
email because sometimes
this is how deep addiction runs sometimes that relapse will be caused by
literally
an unresponded email that you just let sit there and torture you but you don't
notice it because
it's just nagging at you just that why don't you just tell that guy that you're
not interested
why don't you just tell why are you avoiding that why are you avoiding that you
avoid everything
you avoid every this is your personality trait you know what there's thousands
of things you need
to be saying to people you start eating what you're not saying you know so like
distract yourself distract yourself even whenever i first got through this i
had to sit my wife down
bunny who is i talked about a lot of this podcast she is my anchor joe she's
the best thing i think
i've said this every time i've been in your podcast the single best thing that
ever happened to me was
marrying the right fucking woman for sure you know what i mean and um bunny i
sit down with bunny and i'm
what was we talking about i'm sorry i got so excited about my wife well you're
talking about
being husky shame why you don't answer emails distracting yourself distracting
it's like you're
just constant the food is um a way of not having to deal with or even say so i
sit bunny down i go baby
i'm probably going to start give me some grace i sit my whole house down and go
i'm going to try
to do an effort to communicate how i feel in real time and i might be abrasive
at first because
this is a new concept i normally have to go like chew on things for a few hours
to make sure i don't
misrepresent my thoughts you know what i mean i was like but sometimes in those
few hours i'll
find myself in the pantry to distract yourself yeah so i was like you know if y'all
just give me some
grace and what i need y'all to do is just be and be a mirror for me and just go
hey i got you but
think about the way you said that just just put it back just make me see it you
know what i mean
just mirror make me mirror it and uh they were so patient with me bunny bunny's
a gangster
though she'd be the first one to be like oh there goes a little that little
snippy there aren't we
the last holy huh i'd be like fair she'd be like we probably she's like i got
it probably could have
said it different love you i'd be like fair you know what i'm saying but it was
just me learning how
to communicate my thoughts and now it's like but it was so many of these little
trigger things that i
found that would be what would send me back and i call i keep saying the pantry
the pantry is the
gas station anywhere i can closet eat right i just give it a place it's like a
came cam was telling
me about the pain cave idea the other day it's like to me that's what the
pantry's always been
not the pain cave but the idea of it's a it represents a lot you know what i
mean but when
i'm in the pantry now i know why i can literally once again reset reconnect re-engage
you know what
i mean in any situation if i'm at a party now and i think about eating or i
think about drinking i
can go outside i can hit a joint twice i can reconnect with myself what do you
think about drinking
porn there what do you what do you need to prove who who who are you
embarrassed that you you're not
being cool enough around right now that you think it'll make you a little more
loose you know what
i mean like what get get be real with yourself jason what's wrong here right
right and then you get
it you're like yeah i'm being weird dude i don't need to go in there and drink
i'm cool you know what
i'm saying like you're becoming a different person yeah man yeah better version
of who you really are
yeah yeah and it's it's a beautiful thing because you're not just doing it for
you you're doing it
publicly and you doing it publicly is going to change the lives of countless
people there's there's
probably a million people right now that are listening to this that are
changing some aspect
of their life because of what you're saying that's why i didn't hide and do it
joe i've seen too many
other celebrities go get go get go in the dark and lose a bunch of weight and
try to come out with a
big reveal and it always just felt superficial and like it just didn't feel
right i was like yo man
we should just like post about this like every workout every day it's like it's
also good because
it makes you accountable makes you accountable or because you're you're putting
it out there to
the world as long as you're not reading the comments no no no fuck the comment
post i don't
even post it somebody else posted it's ghosted that's better that's better
because as long as you're not
dwelling on other people's opinions and thoughts and because a lot of those
people one of the things
that they do when they're saying negative things is they're avoiding introspection
they're avoiding
their own personal criticism of themselves so they're doing that by putting
that on you so by putting
negative thoughts on you and negative comments on you what they're really
showing is that they're damaged and
that they're avoiding that that self-analysis yeah that leads to you having to
make changes for
yourself so instead they're just shitting on other people yeah so there's a lot
of people that's an
addiction that's an addiction that's a giant addiction that people have not
just to being on social media
but to talking on so commenting on social media and being out you know just
being negative well my favorite
quote is the booze mean nothing to me i've seen what makes them cheer you know
what i mean yeah
you can't your booze mean nothing to me i've seen what you cheer at you know
what i'm saying it's like
you think i care about them booze it also reminds me of the story of the donkey
the dude the father and
the donkey i don't know if you've heard his story but the sons um the father's
walking with the son
and the son's riding a donkey and they're going through this little village and
somebody goes
won't you look at that look at that old man look uh look at that that poor boy's
making that old man
walk so the man thinks oh i don't want to think bad of my grandson so he tells
the grandson hey in
the next town right before we go i'm gonna hop on the donkey and you walk so he
hops on the donkey
and they start walking and somebody goes can you believe that old man's making
that little boy walk by
himself so he stops he says fuck it i'll just buy the kid a donkey so he buys
the kid a donkey
they're going through the next city and they're they're both walking beside
their donkeys
right no they're both on their donkeys and somebody goes well look at them two
people
just beating the death beating to death them poor old donkeys them old donkeys
just can't do nothing
he said the next time he could tell the grandson he goes fuck it we'll just
walk beside the donkeys
so they're walking besides the donkey and you know what somebody screams don't
you look at them
perfectly two good donkeys they're not using those donkeys should be getting
put to work
and the moral is he couldn't do anything to make anybody happy you know what i'm
saying it
it didn't matter what he can never make everybody happy because everybody's not
happy yeah that's the
thing it's like you can make happy people happy but you can't what percentage
of people are legitimately
happy it's hard to get happy it's difficult you know what else changed for me
was looking at happy
different i looked we had my wife has that quote in the house it says we no
longer search for happiness
we search to be useful it's like the moment i quit looking for my happiness now
i just look to be a tool
like i walk in every situation with my hands open like god what you got for me
here right
how can i bring value to this what can i do can i motivate like where can i be
a little piece of you
in this moment you know what i mean and um that changed everything now i'm
always by default
i'm always happy because i'm being useful right you know what i mean like there's
nothing more fulfilling
than being useful yeah but i wasn't i quit chasing happiness i just started
chasing being useful
that's beautiful yeah that's beautiful it's uh it's an amazing story man and
you're in the middle of
it you're you're not done well we've almost lost the weight the transformation
will be next
and the transformation joe that will be something to watch the weight loss that's
been cool to watch but
the transformation bubba i'm coming dude and what do you mean by the
transformation dude it's like i don't
i was i'm gonna like i see myself i've never been able to see myself like this
but like
i'm going to be like in top shape joe you know what i mean like i was watching
you with them kettlebells
today and while i'm running i was thinking to myself the next time i do this
podcast and joe has me back
god willing i'll fucking i'm gonna do that workout with him i'm gonna blow his
mind i'm gonna make him in
that action bronch is my friend so i say this out of love i'm gonna finish that
workout you're gonna
shake my hand be like dude you did better in action you know what i'm saying
like it's like
you know what i mean like i was watching it like i'm fucking coming for that
you know what i mean like
that's the kind of shape i want to be in like man stuff i didn't feel like a
man dude at 500 pounds
i couldn't walk a mile um my video guy andy you've met him a few times tall
ball guy that's real fun
he said something to me when i was losing his weight that broke my heart
because he's such a good kid
i got when i finally got down to like two seven three hundred he looked at me
and said dude you're
like i just need you under 250 and i was like what for and he was like because
then if anything ever
goes wrong i know i can throw 250 pounds over my shoulder and i can fire them
and carry you out of
somewhere and i was like what a sweet soul that you have secretly been looking
at me all these years
like what if something happens to the jelly and i can't get them up right you
know what i mean like
what a just genuine swell like i didn't realize how much my weight was
affecting everybody well people
who love you know that this is not sustainable and if they love you and they
love being around you they
go how much longer is he going to be here right yeah and when you're 40 years
old and you're 500 pounds
it's like the answer is not long yeah it's your body can't do you know and
everybody's different some
people don't even make it to 40. no i could feel it happening like i was i
would i was scared of the
way i would sleep in certain positions right like i would have nightmares that
i was gonna die stop
and if i rolled the other way i'd suffocate myself you know what i mean like it's
possible it was just
you know there uh if i i've rolled over one time on my stomach and i was so fat
that the way i rolled
over i trapped my left arm under me and my right arm almost wasn't strong
enough to get me up enough to
let the left arm loose oh my god i'm panicking like you're suffocating like i'm
gonna die right
here because i just physically don't have enough strength in one arm to get me
from you know you
roll over like this to get me up off of my other arm i can tell you right now i
could do 20 push-ups
though that's amazing i know it don't sound like a lot to the listener but from
where i'm coming from
big deal you know what i'm saying i'm in better shape than burt kreischer for
sure you know what
i'm saying i love you birdie boy yeah you've done what he wants to do that he
never can do i will
say this to him and tom boy they better bring their a game to the 5k this year
don't look up and i look
like uh tanner or truett haynes running with some uh jeans on yeah he's he's
interesting because he's
got it in him he can lose weight like when tom and him first had that weight
loss challenge
tom went with it and never went back tom looks great he's looks fucking amazing
he's thinner than
he's ever been before he's like 180 now brigham said he's getting in shape yeah
man he works out hard
i secretly want to beat him in the 5k but it's a big it's a big dude but i'm on
your ass tommy buns
when i met tommy tommy was like real big and he was eating bad and you know and
him and burt
both decided to have this weight loss challenge so we had this podcast together
they lost all the weight
you know and burt got pretty thin too man they both lost a lot of weight you
know they did it over the
whole month of october and then when they came in tom they all they weighed
each other on the scale and
tom won and so burt had to shave his beard and they did it you know live on the
air it was fun we had
a good time though but it was it was this moment where tom realized okay i don't
ever want to be fat
again and he never was fat again he just he gained a little bit of weight and
lost it again but he never
got fat again and now he looks fucking he looks tremendous i mean you go back
and watch his
earlier comedy specials where he's this big old moon face and then look at him
now you would never
even imagine that guy was ever fat no for sure it's back when he had the moon
face the black button down
and yeah he was balling up top yeah wouldn't commit yeah no totally different
time he's a different
human it's different human now and burt goes back and forth burt will lose a
bunch of weight and then
get big as fuck again yo-yo yeah with burt it's booze man it's booze it's all
booze for burt yeah
it's food too yeah i mean the motherfucker will go to mcdonald's and order like
30 big macs yeah he's a
fucking animal well you know how that is the left hand will wash the right hand
in those situations
you put a little alcohol in you you're not thinking you know what i think a caesar's
salad with a salmon is pretty good tonight you're like somebody take me to in
and out baby yeah i
relate i used my chef had a note one night we looked through all my weight loss
before this pod
and uh he had a note where i went drinking heavy one night and i was probably 515
pounds
and he was just like even in his note he was like not sustainable he can never
lose the weight
drinking this way you know what i mean like it was just ian larius was just
that and he sat me down
and was like bubba i don't care what i feed you i can't out work you get drunk
and you eat 3 000
calories of shit after you drank 3 000 calories of tequila right right you know
what i mean i was
like i gotta quit drinking yeah you know just just a stone cold thing i had to
come with it's terrible
for you and when you see burt with that enormous belly that's all just alcohol
and inflammation
it's like so bad for you and burt's 50 now you know it's like and we got the
same doctor god
no but yeah but burt don't listen no no burt don't listen i bet he's also he's
he's also an athlete
though the problem with burt is that that dude this is what i love about burt
that makes burt so
special is it burt you remember when he went about half marathon or marathon or
something without
training like he went a whole marathon without any training at all that's burt
and he was fat no
that he ran 26 miles yeah this is just like burt at who he is so yeah it's that
really hard thing to
tell a guy it's like yo be careful bubba but it's also like he go bust a 10k
out today if you made him
just out of spite you know what i'm saying like no he's he's got extraordinary
genetics that he abuses
mickey mantle gene dude it's real man it's fucking real dog yeah no it is real
it is real you know but
he's he's playing a game that you can never win right you'll never win that
game that eventually
one day your your your heart will go check please yeah and that's it yeah you
know and hopefully he
catches it before that yeah you know and that's what everybody who loves him
wants yeah it's just
he's got also got this mindset that his whole success is connected to him being
this party animal it's
not though it's connected to you being bird it's connected to you being one of
the most genuine
sweet funny show up for you dudes i've ever met in my life like six pack or 400
pounds dude your
heart is the size of a horse yeah you know what i mean like burt kreischer is
the new friends
that's one of the ones i pray for and burt kreischer cam haynes i prayed for
new friends he sent
me a bunch of really cool ones a bunch of wild ones joe rogan tony hinchcliffe
a bunch of
fuck-ups but they were good dudes you know what i'm saying like real real
slightly outside of normal people but are great guys you know and burt kreischer's
a great my his
friendship's done a lot for me i hope me showing up he hasn't really he's seen
me but whenever at
wrestling but i think when i show up to this 5k and i do it in 30 minutes i
hope that's the
moment burt's like all right baby i'm with you jelly you know what i'm saying
well he's just got to
realize that his success will always be there he doesn't have to be drunk to
have that success
like he'll he'll he does sober october sometimes and one time recently he did
it and he called me up
and he's like uh i just haven't been drinking i feel so much better and i
really think i'm done i go you
should be done man you don't need it you don't need it he's like you're right i
think i'm done and then
right back to it yeah you know it's it's hard but in those moments of clarity
he realizes
maybe he'll hear this and he's funny that'll be it he's i think he's funny
either way oh he'll be
funny either way yeah i've woke up with more he's hilarious yeah he'll probably
be more funny bird
at breakfast to me is just funny as bird at night yeah oh for sure yeah for
sure it's in healthier it's
i've been very fortunate in life one of the most fortunate things though is the
group of people that
i've been connected to it's very like we were talking about that it's very
important it's very
important and bert is connected to a lot of really good people and hopefully
that'll lead him on a
similar i mean everybody has their own timeline everybody has their own way of
doing it everybody
has to have their own moment too you know i had to have mine i just my thing
for bert or anybody out
there is that if you're just don't let it get there if you can right i just
pray man if i i feel like
i don't think i'm making this up when i say i think i was six to 12 months away
from missing it
especially traveling you know i travel 280 days a year right at 500 something
pounds yeah 200 flights
a year 250 flights a year so bad i just i couldn't i wasn't going to be able to
do it i knew it
you know what i mean and um and lucky once again i had a wife that was just
super supportive she was
supportive through all the faces though but she was just like yo this is time
and she went out of
her way the first the first three months of the diet i probably left this part
out because i'm
embarrassed about it but i'll shit tell it the first three months of the diet i
had to sit down with
her and go look i need you to hide the food like i will find it you know what i'm
saying like i need
you to hide the food so her and my daughter bailey found like all these cool
like i still don't know
where they were i never found it you know what i mean but they hid everything
for me like there was
nights i'd walk in that pantry and it would be like a banana you know what i'm
saying i'd be like
the entire pantry was god i'd be like fair you know what i mean like it was
cool but once again it
goes back to the fox the mole and the horse i never asked for help before right
i never would
get out of my own ego enough i just say everything i was going to do and then
not do it and then get
mad when they ask when they try to encouragingly but maybe even more
importantly you were helping
yourself you it wasn't just you were asking for help that you weren't asking
for help while you
weren't doing anything you were asking for help while you were helping yourself
and they were like
okay i think he's really doing this that's it yeah there's really a change
going on and let's try to
help rain walk yeah whenever they yeah you don't have to go and then when i
went they cheered it
it's a great moment that it did happen in the rain you know because it makes it
even more
significant it makes it more you know meaningful it's so real yeah i keep
mentioning god because
my faith in him grows so much stronger every day but i truly believe that that
was a god thing
you know what i mean that almost this weird thing that's like you know you walk
out and be like you
know what even the hill dude i've i've lived on hills my whole life and never
walked up one i'm from
tennessee they're nothing but hills i go downhill that's what i do it's a fat
person trait you know what
i'm saying we look cooler move faster you know yeah and immediately just like
no man we're hitting
hills dude like every time i can hit a hill i'm now looking for hills in life
you know what i mean
like i'm looking for like how can i make this run a little harder like when cam
tells me we're at mile
five he's like i'm proud of you did your pr i was like we better do six two
then baby it ain't a 10k
if we don't do another mile point two you know what i mean like immediately i
was like we gotta go
yeah it's just been it's the it's the it's the effort but helping the self
knowing you want to
change and then not being afraid to just go ask not being ashamed to just go to
your wife because
that's a little embarrassing and be like hey can you just like had the dark
chocolate and they're
who dark chocolate bars bunny's extremely healthy you know what i mean like has
always been them who
talk talk about they're so good but the problem is i don't know how to eat one
they're only 380
calories but if there's five of them in there right i will eat all five for
sure you know what i'm saying
you know so some nights you leave me a little half a bar out or something you
know what i mean like
rations until i until i could control it until i knew that and then now now my
pantry's back full
well now you're addicted to the success of what you've already accomplished
which is a good addiction
it's a good addiction being addicted to being healthy is the best addiction you
could find because i don't
think you're going to get out of the addiction mindset i think what addiction
is i think there's a reason
why it exists in the human mind and i think it exists because it's the same
thing as obsession
and obsession allows you to be a successful hunter it's like hunter's
persistence if you don't have
that obsessive drive you won't keep going until you're succeeding and if you do
if you do have that you'll
feed your family if you don't have that everybody dies i think that's like
programmed into the human
psyche it's programmed into the human mind but it can be hijacked by gambling
it could be hijacked by
pornography it could be hijacked by video games it could be hijacked by a host
of different things
drugs alcohol anything food fill fill in the blank i think that that is where
it happens you get addicted
to all kinds of things that are negative or you can get addicted to positive
things meaningful
conversations yeah exercise sure i'm addicted to meaningful conversations yeah
i used to be addicted
to small talk it's hard to find them you know it's hard to find stuff like this
like meaningful like
rich i'm i'm searching for rich conversations even in my relationships with my
wife like
in my health you're like our conversations are getting deeper yeah you know
what i mean like like
i never thought i could know this woman i love so much better but i'm getting
to know her better
like we're getting deeper in the foxhole together we're getting deeper in the
in the shadows of each
other's crevices it's like i'm looking for that i'm looking to pour into people
man it's just dude
yeah it's that's another thing about phones that makes it very difficult you
know for people to have
meaningful conversations because everybody's so attached their goddamn devices
even when you're
talking to them they're checking this and checking that you feel they're going
yeah yeah oh yeah that's
real oh yeah and they're just scrolling and half paying attention to you it's a
lot it's a lot it's
hard it's like one of the things that i've said about this podcast is like one
of the most unexpected
things about it is this education that i've got in talking to people uh not
just like listening to
their stories and listening to whatever their expertise is and but it's also
just the learning how
to talk to people because you're sitting here for three hours or whatever it is
with no distractions
and no interruptions and because of that you learn this sort of ebb and flow of
human conversation so
for me it's so hard to have a bad conversation when i'm out with people that
are bad at having
conversations to me it's fucking painful it's like oh god yeah it's like i it
drives me crazy yeah it's
so one watching people talk over people watching people that aren't listening
they're just waiting
for their time to talk like yeah it's such a connection man and and a lot of
those people that
are missing that is goes into these the byproducts of lack of connection are
addiction isolation uh loneliness
um these are the side effects of not connecting with people yeah you know what
i mean and that phone
has tricked us into thinking that we're connecting with thousands of people
right and we're actually
not connecting with anybody not connecting with a single person we're being
more lonely and more
comparative it's a trap yeah it's a real trap because you're you're getting
input there's some
input there's some words that come from a person i guess and so but there's no
human like we're designed
to talk to each other this way the the the spiritual fulfillment the
psychological fulfillment that comes
from talking to a human being and making a genuine connection and understanding
more about that person and
by also doing that you understand more about yourself like when someone reveals
something to you that's very
meaningful and very intimate like you go oh wow like what is it about why is
that
maybe i could be better at that maybe i could do this or maybe i can maybe i'm
looking at myself the
wrong way or looking at people the wrong way and you know and you just like
this slow learning
process of how to interact with people better and it's it's that's all kids
today that are on their phone
all day long they're the psychologically stunted you know that's we're stunting
their social growth and
their development of just most people don't most kids today barely know how to
communicate with each
other especially even long form like this it's the ability to really get you
don't really know how
somebody feels about something until you really get into a conversation like a
real conversation and
these kids aren't having those conversations with each other it's all in micro
clips and micro spots and
me and my daughter talk about this a lot because lucky for i was i was blessed
that she's a
conversationalist she's kind of she's like me she will have a meaningful
conversation
so i'm i'm but i look at my nine-year-old who's a little younger than her
obviously she's 17 my
daughter goes to college next year and my nine-year-old's a little different
though he doesn't
he communicates good but he's still in that you know video game world like he
just it's a different
thing where bailey still really appreciates us sit around the i don't know man
i grew up in a household
where we i told you this story my mom would sit at the kitchen table and tell
us stories like me and
you were talking right now for hours we had a jre every night you know what i'm
saying you know
she'd smoke cigarettes and tell stories and it was just like super charming and
you know it's um so
my daughter grew up a lot like that and i'm really proud of that you know that
she grew up sitting in
a room and having those kind of calmer like real long form because that's how
you know how you really
feel about it's what therapy did for me too was whenever i quit doing things at
a surface level
when it started going yeah that's cool but like really when was the first time
you remember being fat
i think people have a hunger for it which is why um this emergence of long-form
conversations into the
zeitgeist has been surprising to a lot of people because you know when i first
started doing this
podcast one of the funny things that ari shaffir always said to me that i'll
never let him live it
down because he was always like you gotta edit your show i go why he goes
nobody wants to listen in
three hours i go then don't listen i don't care i go it's i'm doing it for no
money anyway like
back then it was like it was it was costing me money i was like i'm just doing
it for fun man
i don't care i put it out there if they don't want to listen to the whole thing
they don't have to
listen to the whole thing there's another one coming out in a couple days
listen to that one
listen to five minutes i don't give a fuck right and he was like you should
edit it it's gonna
fuck up your show and i'm like all right whatever and then now i'm like
remember when you told me
that haha because i don't think that people realize how many people are
starving for real conversation
just the you know this is one of the reasons why like when that kamala harris
thing went down
where i had trump on the podcast and kamala harris kept resisting coming on the
podcast
they wanted to do it for like 45 minutes they wanted to do it in a conference
room with a bunch
of aids around they wanted to do it in dc i was like no no it has to be here
and it has to be three
hours like she's got to sit down like because it takes a while to get inside
someone's head
you gotta if you taught you could bullshit me for 40 minutes easy for 40
minutes you could have a
bunch of canned speeches and a bunch of shit you prepared and a bunch of like
bullshit answers but
i'll ask you like what you like to cook yeah i'll ask you like do you exercise
i'll ask you what's your
favorite book i'll ask you like all kinds of different things and then we'll
start talking
we'll start talking about like did you ever think you were going to be this
person like what what you
know what what led you here like what and give me some real shit give me some
real well you can't
this is why i've always loved your pod is that it's where i go find out who
people are yeah because
it's so easy and i'm in the media right to go sit down for 20 minutes and like
smile and just get it
out of the way you know what i mean but like yeah exactly but it's like you
give me three hours with
somebody they got to show me who they are yeah somebody's joe's gonna find out
who this person
is you know what i mean like he's gonna it's like and that's back to like
because we don't know who
we are until we start having real conversations right it goes back to back to
what i mean you started
with this is that we don't know who we are until you started having real car i
don't know how it
started whether it was in the green room with some of your comic friends you
were like dude we have
the greatest conversations in here we should do this you know what i mean like
these are funny i
don't know but something happened where you recognize like this is rare that
people have
conversations this funny this good but also this cathartic like there's moments
we've laughed we've
cried like it's every podcast of yours you know what i mean where because you
can't spend three
hours with somebody and not see the full dynamic human yeah and i think there's
a hunger that
people have for finding out that other people have similar thoughts to them and
how and maybe not
even maybe different thoughts in similar situations and that someone has had a
better way of approaching
something and it's educational like to your soul there's something about it
about like we all want to
pretend that we exist in a vacuum and everybody wants to pretend they're a loner
and i'd rather be alone
like shut up no you wouldn't you'd only rather be alone if the people around
you suck if the people
around me suck yeah i'd rather be alone but i have great friends i like being
around my friends it's
like it's it's not shallow to want to be around a bunch of awesome people but
there's this thought
that like you know that we we are that we exist
on our own and you don't we're a collective like the human species itself is a
hive and it's one of
the things we're learning about the negative impacts of that hive being
connected to social media because
you're not really connecting with people but we're also experiencing this thing
that's similar to a hive
and so there's a uh a writer avi levinovitz who talks about this and the way he
described it
described it rather is that it's like processed food you're getting processed
information and instead of
real information like on social media you're getting this processed thing that's
boiled down with no
nutrients in it but you keep consuming it because you're so hungry because you're
not getting the
real thing you're just stuffing your face with stuffing your mind with process
information i think
that's an apt way to put it because that's really what's going on it's like we
all want real
connection we're just worried we're worried that someone's going to reject us
we're worried that someone's
going to be rude to us we're worried that someone's judging us that someone's
going to think they're
better than us or they're going to think we lack or whatever it is there's this
like there's a thing
that we all hunger for and i think for a lot of people the what they get if
they don't have it near
them if they haven't done what you've done and found a great group of friends
they can get it through
podcasts they can get it through people talking and communicating and being
real and and being
interested and being curious and learning and just being being cool to each
other and and it's it's
it's heartwarming it's like it fills something in you that we're that we're
missing because we're being
poisoned by these fucking devices and we're only seeing these little snippets
of people like back to the
conversation like we see comments x amount like a paragraph yeah and then we
people building entire
thoughts around a paragraph and you don't even know what that dude's thought
was it's just a
paragraph on the internet you didn't actually talk to that guy to see what that
was you know what i
mean like it's it's that that thing of like i had it i don't know i didn't plan
on talking about
this but it's a perfect time because i learned such a lesson in it i was on my
laptop one day on
instagram.com and it was the day of the double awards which is a christian
music awards and i
had a gospel song get nominated for a grammy this year what's it called the
double awards the dove
d-o-v awards and it's like the christian grammys okay it's been around for a
long time gospel music
association i have a i did a song with a christian artist this year named brandon
lake it's called
hard fought hallelujah it's i got to sing it at the vatican joe oh wow i got to
sing this we pull
that clip jamie of me at the vatican i sang in saint peter's square joe oh my
god first live
concert ever in saint peter's square right outside of saint peter saint peter's
basilica was our this
is it wow right here watch saint peter's basilica look that's the basilica
right there i got goose
look at that that's the square bubba that's vatican city look at this that's
incredible i will tell
you that's incredible biasly it might have been my best vocal performance of my
career wow
look at that joe but you're already losing weight by then yeah no for sure this
was about six months
ago shows you how much i've lost since then you look like a different person
even now to then dude
what's funny when you're five when you're 500 pounds you lose 20 pounds you don't
really see it
beautiful that dude i i went out to sound check joe and of course you all know
i'm emotional by now
but i couldn't even get through sound check i was crying so hard but watch this
part right here you'll
see my hand shaking i'm shaking up there you see it wow i am shaking my you see
the mic watch the
microphone hand because it's the one that doesn't lie y'all know that the other
one you can shake
while you're moving it but the microphone hand look at it yeah yeah wow it was
um wow and i'll tell
you a story about this incredible i know i keep bringing up god things but they
called me to do this
and it was um pharrell and andrea bocelli put this together okay and i love pharrell
he's a dear
dear became a friend of mine sweet guy and i go okay cool and i get there and
teddy swims is there
and uh jennifer huts i love taste teddy swims is the dude baby oh man that dude's
got a voice
he's got a voice it is red you you had him on yet no we've been talking though
we're gonna do it
please his next album for his next he's a he's a good conversation too man i
believe it
sweet so little georgia boy okay just southerners southern as collard greens
you're gonna love me he's
just like me he reminds me of you he's he's the sweetest that motherfucker can
sing his ass off
it's not fair whoo it's not fair i want to sing with but but but chelly and i
mean if you're standing
next to but chelly and you got a voice think about that so i get there and i'm
like all right
so what's the story here and everybody was either singing with pharrell or bocelli
but me i was the only person in that whole event that was singing alone so i
get super nervous i'm
like why did i end up alone you know what i'm saying i was like i was like oh
shit if brandon
lake couldn't make it for some reason i was like this is bad i've never been
more nervous i go out
for sound check i'm bawling crying and i'm like dude this is so crazy and then
i walk out and i'm like
when i go to do it right before i go out they come to me go hey jennifer hudson's
going to come
out at the very end and do hallelujah with you or just do hallelujah you just
praise for a minute
while she does it i was like the jennifer hudson they were like yeah i was like
so jennifer hudson
walks over to me i love her she goes all right what do you want she's so sweet
she's like i'm open
for notes you got any suggestions it's one of the greatest female vocalists
ever i do not have a
suggestion we'll start there i am jennifer i'm embarrassed you have to sing
near me but i'm
you know what i'm saying and i'm like and she goes and then it hit me and i
looked at her and i'll never
forget this moment she goes what do you think we should do i said we give them
jesus i said i think
that's why i'm here alone i think you know i'm the one that's supposed to bring
jesus here like i know
it's a jesus thing obviously but like we're supposed this is supposed to be a
she grew up in the south
too she grew up chicago you know she grew up midwest and i go this is supposed
to be the church we grew
up in jennifer she was like that's all i needed to hear oh joe just when i had
the best vocal
performance of my life jennifer hudson comes out and takes them to church we it's
a full praise and
worship at that point 200 choir members hands up in the sky we're in front of
saint peter's facility
they're worshiping out there dude hands are in the sky dude it was it would
watch it after the show if
you can it's worth five minutes it'll it'll make you tear up a little bit dude
it was like tear up right
now it was oh dude it was such a jesus moment i even started i'm looking at the
card and i'm going
can we get a little praise for jesus in here tonight can we get a little praise
for jesus in here tonight
and i'm just you can see the veins in my face joe i don't remember it i just
was just there you
know what i mean like it's just wow i just literally
look right then and this is where jennifer hutchins finna come out wow
there's people lined up in the street too this is oh dude what you don't see is
the only reason you
don't see people on the side streets is because they finally got rid of them
when it first opened
there was like all over rome you just could not move like like six seven
hundred thousand people
were down there trying to see this thing it was the first time they've ever
done live music at the
vatican that's i could not believe i got that call joe that's great but anyway
i got there i was
i just kept being more confused i was like hold on i'm the only one that's not
singing with the two
people that put this event together literally the only artist because jennifer
hutchins sang with
them teddy swang with them i was like what am i here for you know what i'm
saying i just could not
figure it out i never had more imposter syndrome wow and i prayed and i was
like god i cuss i smoke i
am i don't how about how am i being a vessel here like i don't like and then
that's whenever i was just
i heard it just so clear like dude just just open your hands just yeah got you
yeah i want to play
you something so you remember that craig morgan moment where you you talked
about it when you were
on stage at the opry oh yeah almost home yeah it's one of the coolest let's
play that i want to play
that because we're going to show you something i'm going to show you something
um that was a really
powerful moment because you were talking about how you would listen to that
song in prison
you know and um and how you went to the opry and you sat there i think you were
in the seventh row
exactly where i was six or seventh i was right back there stage left and you
and you talked about
it when you were on stage the first time you were ever on stage at the opry i
want to play that first
and we're going to play something else yeah it was crazy dude do you have it
jamie you want me to send
it to you yo while you're looking that up can i do something right quick yeah i'm
in love my wife's
got a book coming out everybody's called stripped down it's coming out in february
she finally wrote her
life story i've never been more proud of a human in my life y'all i'm so proud
of you in february
you deserve this girl beautiful i brought you a copy here it took me 36 years
to make it to the stage
big jelly 500 pounds look at the size of the most special
i'm gonna sing y'all some music for the soul from the soul this song is called
son of a sinner baby
you got that plaque
i never get lonely i got these girls to keep me company i took the review off
of this so
i'm gonna be more honest than i probably should be in 2008 i was incarcerated
in a local penitentiary
i had made some horrible decisions i found strength and music
while incarcerated i had a little girl she's in the crowd tonight she's now 13
years old
i remember sitting in my jail bunk when i knew she was born and thinking i had
to do something to
change my life i came home and i pursued the dream of music by selling mixtapes
and t-shirts out of the
trunk of my car right here in nashville tennessee
i married my best friend we have full custody of that 13 year old now
in that jail cell i found strength in country music i used to listen to craig
morgan sing almost home
in my jail cell and think i'm gonna change my life when i get home i came home
and googled
craig morgan live performance and he was right here at the grand old opry i sat
right there with
that man with the ball cap and the seventh row back on this row is sitting no
line i watched craig
cry for those of y'all that don't know i make music for the broken i make music
for the have-nots
and the lost causes in life the ones that have been through something and overcame
it if you
haven't been that person you know somebody who has and i represent that person
i want to dedicate
this song to everybody who's ever felt worthless and found their way out of
that dark place this
record is certified gold it is called save me thank you
oh
reporter
brian from zanys
what is it like seeing yourself dude what is it like seeing yourself that big
and seeing yourself in
that well huge moment one i love you man you tricked me again i was i thought
we were getting off the
pod so i was like oh i just want to show my wife's book out right quick and
then you were showing me
video i'm gonna show you something else too i didn't think i'd make a joke i'm
gonna show you this
buddy give me some volume congratulations on all the great things happening in
your career
and to thank you for the positive difference you're making in the lives of so
many people who need the
help you're doing great work buddy and i'll never forget meeting you on the
grand old opry and how
much it meant to me to hear you say my music helped you get through some really
tough times
that's one thing country music does really well
and who would have ever dreamed back then that i'd be back at the opry house
today
to say jelly roll you're officially invited to become a member of the grand old
opry
it's an honor to say welcome to the family brother
he wanted to play that for you when you're here
have a hook yeah for sure
come on i love you too
yeah joe that's like it don't get no bigger in country music bubba
it's as big as a kiss yo you know what a fucking grand old opry dog
oh dude i used to buy tickets to go there
and i remember i googled man i cried a lot on this pot it's okay i googled um
craig morgan i heard almost home in jail and uh you've heard the song right it's
like the most
tear-jerking song about a homeless man and it just reminded me of jail just you
know no matter
where you are the mind's strong and it just i came home and the song meant so
much i was like
craig morgan live it's like grand old opry house and i was like i'll go
i could barely afford tickets i think i talked to some girl in the bottom for
me
i went sat by myself i had an ankle bracelet on so there's a show he'd show
went off at nine
i had to be home at nine so i was like if he's the last one i'm screwed
and he comes out and sings almost home and i had
i'm not bullshitting i'd maybe cried 10 times in my life at that point and i
cried
i cried i cried like i'm crying here now and um i just remember thinking man
i want to make people what i can't believe they made me a member of the hopper
dog um
i want to make people feel the way he makes me feel that's what i want to do
well you've done that
man you've done it brother but did it joe man that's crazy joe oh dude fuck oh
dude i bet i'm
the first person that ever got invited to the handle offer on podcast that's
awesome oh
sorry let's see it with me for a second i just i figured you did it brother
dude that uh you did
what you wanted to do that feeling that he gave you you've given to many many
people
it's an incredible gift you know there's such so few people in life that have
touched people the
way you've touched people thank you joe man it's just what a dream dude i used
to i used to write
on my vision board my wife first got together that your podcast was the number
one thing i
want to do every year because i always felt like i'd have a joe dirt moment on
here you know i always
felt like somewhere i'd be sitting here telling my story and the world would be
tuning in you
know and to be fuck the fact that i'm on your podcast fact you're my friend
dude i love you
brother i love you brother thank you man of course thanks for letting me on the
podcast but
i just never thought this was a journey dude i thought i'd die young or i
thought i'd kill myself
i didn't think i was gonna be able to figure it out you figured it out you're
figuring it out more
every day every day and i think through that other people are as well i hope so
they're figuring
out their life for sure just through your songs through your words through your
acts through your
deeds through your life through the way you've chosen this new path for sure
for sure you're changing
people's lives oh man you are you are changing people's lives i will tell you
100 without doubt
you're changing people's lives and you're enriching people's lives by being you
by being a real person
going through a real life moment yeah you know and uh and doing it the right
way yes sir yeah slow it's
not easy no it doesn't have to be easy telling the truth ain't always fun no no
it's not it's not
supposed to be easy if it was easy it wouldn't be so fun gratifying though yeah
dude god joe man a
member of the grand old opry dog my name on the sheet bubba when you come in
the back of the grand
old opry they have them all and um i'm shaking joe like when that deer was in
his stand uh they have
these plaques that they put the name on and the first wall has only got two
rows left of plaques
wow i played there a couple months ago and i remember looking going thinking to
myself the
negative guy in me was like fuck i'm gonna i'm gonna be on the new wall if i
ever make it it won't
be on this one you know what i mean you know it's just like even then i was
having a moment where i
was like if they ever actually do you know i never thought i'd like when um
when jordan and jen invited
me to the grand old opry i i never thought that would happen i never thought
that i'd be allowed to
play the grand old opry you know what i mean yeah and then to be a member of it
and i'll never forget
watching luke combs when they asked him to be a member and just just like i
think it's the first
time i ever seen luke emotional you know and i just remember being like nah it'll
never happen
just like i remember looking at cam like i'll never be able to run a 5k or you
know what i mean like
yeah like man i don't know what can happen dude man if god gets involved you
have a little humility
i think the rest can work itself out joe you know what i mean amazing things
can happen if you live
your life true ooh ooh baby amazing things can happen if you live your life
true well i know you
don't leave texas much but you're gonna come see me at the opry sometime now
100 you gotta come see
me now that i'm a member dude 100 i get to close the show 100 i get to send my
mail there now too
wow legally yeah yeah it's crazy dude hey well it's like all the ogs got their
mail there johnny and
him wow it was like really really cool it's like a super legend there that's
awesome someone wants to
write me a letter suited to the grand old opry oh my god oh dude that's
incredible oh that's
man that's i didn't even dream of it god'll god'll god'll make things bigger
than your dreams
somebody out there right now is dreaming of something and it's too small
dream bigger baby dream bigger baby you know what i mean that's it
let's wrap it up that was perfect way to end this no i love you brother thank
you brother
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