#2197 - Mike Baker

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All right, we're up, Mr. Baker.

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How are you, sir?

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Really?

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Good to see you.

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We're just jumping right in.

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Yeah.

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Oh my God, I just sat down.

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Well, there's so many things to talk about.

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Is there?

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Anything happen?

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A few things happen until I saw you.

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One guy got shot.

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Some guy.

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And the guy who shot him, just his body vanished.

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Yeah.

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No police.

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Now, did he get shot?

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Because I've seen a lot of people talk about this like, no, he didn't get shot.

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That's hilarious.

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Oh my God.

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Do you think that he cut his ear like a pro wrestler?

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Yeah.

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I got shot like it's all fake.

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The guy behind him who got murdered, that wasn't real?

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I saw it.

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Again, you would think that would be a clue.

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But I've seen things where they say, no, he didn't have any blood on him.

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And then he ducked down behind the podium just long enough.

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And I'm thinking, are you fucking psycho?

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They are psycho.

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But, you know, but then, you know, to be fair, then, well, no, that can't be

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fair.

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How can you be fair about that?

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There's no fair.

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There's no fair.

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We heard gunshots.

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We saw a guy get shot who was shooting at him.

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The guy behind him got murdered.

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Yeah.

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A couple other people got injured.

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Life changing injuries.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Serious injuries.

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Yes.

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Serious injuries.

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I mean, it 100% happened.

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To say it didn't happen is insane.

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And then you had Joy Reid on TV saying, well, Biden got over COVID.

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This is basically the same thing.

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People are losing their fucking minds.

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And they're afraid.

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Everyone's afraid to be objective.

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Because if you're objective, somehow or another, you're helping the other side.

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Yeah.

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Oh, no.

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If you even try to walk a line that's somewhere near the middle of anything

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nowadays.

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That's me.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You'll get, well, there you go then.

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You'll get your ass kicked.

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But I was telling Emily, I was telling my wife the other day that I consider

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that a really

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good thing.

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Because like, oh my God, this is like, I'm two minutes into it and I'm already

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mentioning

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the podcast, The President's Daily Brief.

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Look, I'm getting much better at this.

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Good plug.

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So on The President's Daily Brief, we try to just walk kind of down the middle.

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We just tell you the news.

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Here's the top things that are happening.

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What I find is I get angry messages from both sides.

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Sure.

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Because I'm not staking out a position.

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Right.

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Right.

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I'm just saying, here's what's happening.

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And, you know, for the most part, we try to avoid context or atmosphere for the

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most part.

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But you're just pissing everybody off.

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People want to get mad, first of all.

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That's the thing.

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Yeah.

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Like, Andrew Huberman was talking about that today.

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That the things that when they study, like, what excites people, what people

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gravitate towards,

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it's 100% like more potent to get angry about things.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think you're right.

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There's some sort of, there must be some sort of chemical release in being

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outraged, right?

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That makes people feel good.

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I think it's in our wiring, in our DNA, because we always had to look out for

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threats.

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So you find things that you perceive are threats or things that are going to be

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a problem,

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and you get angry about them.

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And you do it on social media instead of in the jungle.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think with the Trump thing, though, I was surprised at how,

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because it was about a day and a half, maybe, maybe it was 36 hours, of, oh,

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fuck, how could

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this happen?

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Look what we created, this environment.

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Yeah.

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We have to be more civil with each other.

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Yeah.

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And that was a big push from the Democrats, right?

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You remember Biden and Harris talking about, we've got to be more civil.

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We've got to dial it back and turn down the temperature.

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And that lasted, for that side, that lasted almost no time at all.

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Less than two days.

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Yeah.

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And they were back calling him a piece of shit and a liar.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, the threat to democracy, and he's got to be stopped.

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Unbelievable.

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And, you know, now to be fair, you know, neither side really stuck to the idea.

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I would argue if Trump, if Trump had just said, you know what, from a strategic

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point

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of view, maybe it's not me, maybe it's not what I want to do, but from a

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strategic point

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of view, if after that attempt had happened and he had just walked that civil

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line and

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said, you know, I've had a reflective moment.

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And if he had kept the high road, think about the disparity there.

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Because the Democrats, they would have, first of all, they would have gone

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crazy because

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they wouldn't have known what to do, but they also wouldn't have been able to

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help themselves.

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So they would have turned into, you know, they would have thrown the hand

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grenades again

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as usual.

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And then you would have had Trump over here being the reasonable one and being

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the reflective

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and civil one.

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That would have been a good strategy.

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Yeah, but it didn't happen.

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No, it's not in his nature.

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No, no.

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That's the scorpion and the frog.

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Yeah.

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I forgot about that story.

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That's right.

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The scorpion needs a ride across the pond.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It's the same thing.

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I mean, that guy loves to talk shit.

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He's calling Tim Walsh Tampon Tim now.

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He's so good at it.

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It's such a good nickname.

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He's so good at it.

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He's so good at that shit.

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Oh my God.

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Tampon Tim.

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Look at what we're getting.

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We're getting Harris and we're getting Walsh.

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Unbelievable.

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What do you think about Walsh's

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descriptions of his military career

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because there's some issues there

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that people have.

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I don't know if he flat out ever said

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that he served in Afghanistan,

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but he certainly didn't dissuade people

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from saying that he was...

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when they were saying he didn't correct them.

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Right.

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There was things...

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He didn't and he didn't.

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And you can look at interviews

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and there's no pushback.

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There's no like, excuse me,

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you know, I didn't go to Iraq.

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Exactly.

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And I retired, you know,

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as my unit was deploying.

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And so...

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Well, you retired a couple months

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before his unit deployed, right?

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A couple months before, yes.

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What is the whole story behind it?

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But those guys know,

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they know that they're going, right?

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It's not like,

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it's not like they suddenly get a paper,

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you know, on one day.

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There's a buildup to that

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and they're aware of it.

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And so, you know,

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even his personnel were saying,

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look, we all knew we were going.

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He knew he was going.

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Now, okay, fine.

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He made the decision, right?

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But I think with his,

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his, what do you want to call it?

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Padding of his resume

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for political purposes, obviously,

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when he was running for Congress.

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Well, there's more than one thing too, right?

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He said he was a head coach.

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Yeah, he was a head coach.

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He was not a head coach.

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He was an assistant coach,

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which is an honorable thing.

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There's nothing wrong

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with being an assistant coach.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And he also inflated his,

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his actual rank, right?

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He was slated to achieve a certain rank.

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Right.

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And how did it go?

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Like, he had to commit to the fact

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that he wasn't going to retire

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in order to achieve his rank?

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Is that what it was?

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He didn't finish the,

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essentially the program,

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the coursework,

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you know,

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for a command sergeant major.

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Can you explain how that works?

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Well, I mean,

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he had the,

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he had the rank, right?

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He was awarded,

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I think he had gone to,

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where did he go?

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I think he went to Italy

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on an assignment.

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Look, he's,

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so he's in the National Guard, right?

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So, first of all,

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there was sort of this,

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I've served for 24 years,

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or he's not really saying that

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his supporters

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and the people on the Democrat side

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say, well,

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he served for 24 years.

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Yes, he did.

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Okay.

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But it's the National Guard.

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And that doesn't mean,

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I'm not disrespecting at all

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anyone who serves

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in the National Guard.

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It's a very honorable thing to do.

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I'm just saying,

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they're kind of conflating

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just like he did

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with his rank

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or these other things.

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the idea that somehow

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he was, you know,

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over there for 24 years.

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Full-time,

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24 years in the military.

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You know,

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and he was working

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as a school teacher,

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as you pointed out,

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he was working as a coach.

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Look, the guy could be a great,

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you know, who knows?

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He could be a great guy.

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I'm just saying that

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there were statistics

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that said upwards

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of 70 plus percent of people

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have padded their CVs.

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So, what he's done

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isn't unusual,

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but it's very much,

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you know, highlighted now.

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It's like-

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70%?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's a-

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And look,

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I've got a service line

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in the company,

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Portman Square Group.

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I am a marketing machine.

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Good job.

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Thank you.

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And, but we have

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a due diligence group

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that does nothing but,

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right,

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background investigations,

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due diligence.

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And so,

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they spend a lot of time

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looking at people's CVs

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or resumes.

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And it's a shocking number

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of people.

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And sometimes,

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it's not really nefarious.

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It's just,

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okay,

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maybe I misspoke

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or maybe I did put something in

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and I just,

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I over-egged the pudding

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a little bit.

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But then,

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like 10 or 15 years

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down the road,

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you've kind of ridden on that

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for all that time.

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And we've seen that happen

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where people suddenly

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get called out,

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right?

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Yes.

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And so,

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you know,

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I don't read too much

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into the fact

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that he padded his resume.

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I think it is

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very disrespectful

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that he didn't push back

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on the idea

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that he was overseas

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deployed in combat

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or that he claimed

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that he retired

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in a position.

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I mean,

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I think they gave him

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a master sergeant title

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or rank

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when he retired,

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which is just one step below.

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Which is still honorable.

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Very honorable.

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And it's nothing

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to be shameful of.

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Like,

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saying that,

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just stating the actual rank,

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it doesn't change

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anybody's opinion

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of him at all.

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Yeah.

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So,

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you know,

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it's a lie

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that doesn't

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really elevate you.

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It doesn't,

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and when you get

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called out on it,

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it just kind of

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makes you look

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like a dipshit,

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right?

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Like you,

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and that's something

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that he's got

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to deal with now.

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But he did once say,

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he was talking

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about assault rifles.

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Assault,

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air quotes,

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assault rifles

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for the gun nuts

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out there.

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I get it.

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I'm on your side.

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But when he was talking,

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I mean,

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you can kind of

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assault somebody

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with a BB gun,

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right?

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Yeah.

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But when he was

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talking about them,

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he said,

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the weapons of war

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that I carried,

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I don't know

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the exact quote,

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but it was essentially

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alluding to the fact.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And again,

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was it,

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was,

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is it,

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I don't understand it.

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Is it necessary?

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No.

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Did he feel

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that it helped

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in his early days

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running for a political office?

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Obviously.

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Right.

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Well,

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he's also seen

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Joe Biden

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get away with it.

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Right.

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Joe Biden

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has gotten away

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with lying

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about his record,

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lying about

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his accomplishments,

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lie from the beginning

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back when he was

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running for Senate.

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Right.

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I mean,

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I'm sure you've seen

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that old video

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where he confronts

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the guy and tells him

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he's got a higher IQ

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than him

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and how he graduated

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at the top of his class.

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Oh, yeah.

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All lies.

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Yeah.

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No, absolutely.

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And you're right.

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He's gotten away with it.

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Just like,

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you know,

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apparently the plagiarism

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and other issues

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and certainly now

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the mental decline.

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He's still president,

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I guess.

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He's kind of not.

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He's kind of quit.

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Who is in charge?

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That's the question

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I think a lot of people

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are wondering.

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Well,

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Kamala's on tour,

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so she can't beat

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she's out there

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doing concerts.

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Oh,

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she's going to do

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an interview tomorrow night.

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With Tim, though.

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With Tim.

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With Tim,

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because she's a strong woman,

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so she wants

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a strong man by her side.

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Yeah,

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she does not want

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to be alone out there.

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No.

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Which is wild.

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You have to be alone.

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Who the fuck

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has ever done

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an interview,

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the only interview

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since they have been

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nominated by their party,

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right?

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Since they've been chosen.

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Who has ever

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not done an interview

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for this long?

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Yeah,

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and then they,

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I get why,

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because they get away

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with it.

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Look,

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they've got a very

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compliant and

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incurious media

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for the most part,

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right?

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And they're just

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letting it go.

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Compliant.

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It's more than compliant.

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I know,

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I'm trying to be

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Yeah,

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you're trying to be nice.

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Yeah,

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I'm trying to be nice.

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Complicit

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is a better word.

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Yeah,

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and so,

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and it's on CNN

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and it's taped.

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It's not even live.

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Right.

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And it's the two of them

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and there is no way in hell.

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Maybe I'm going to be wrong.

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I hope I'm wrong.

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I hope it's a hard-hitting

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interview where they ask,

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I tell you what,

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actually,

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what I would love

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to have them ask first

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is,

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okay,

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Vice President,

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I guess you have to say

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Madam Vice President,

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how long

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were you aware of

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President Biden's

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mental decline?

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Yes.

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Because right up until

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the last minute,

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you were talking about

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how sharp his attack he was

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and how vigorous he was

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and how he was,

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you know,

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better than men

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half his age.

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And what I don't understand

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is how people aren't

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marching on Washington

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with pitchforks

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and torches

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over the fact that

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this small group,

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her and who else,

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Anita Dunn,

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the chief of staff

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over at the White House,

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Clayne,

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a variety of,

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that cabal's not that big,

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of people who had

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daily contact

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with President Biden

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and they just lied

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to the American public

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for a significantly long time.

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They just deceived

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the American public

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and nobody seems

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to give a shit.

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Right?

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Well,

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it's also,

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why was anyone

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believing it?

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Right.

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That's what was crazy.

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And we were getting

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shit on left and right

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during the campaign

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where I was like,

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when I compared him,

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I said,

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Biden being president

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is like having a flashlight

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with a bad battery

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and going for a long

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walk in the woods.

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There's no fucking way

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it's not going to make it.

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And people were saying,

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no,

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don't you know he stutters?

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And they were saying all the,

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well,

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there's no evidence

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of him stuttering

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when he was younger.

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This is crazy.

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There's a mental decline there.

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There's nothing wrong

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with mental decline.

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We're all going to experience

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it someday, kids.

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But to say that

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it's not happening

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just because you don't want

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the other side to win

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is bananas.

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It's really crazy.

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And that's what it was.

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It was,

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anytime you called it out

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because we all saw it,

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like you said,

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we're all heading

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in that direction.

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It's probably the one thing

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we all have in common.

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And we all know

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what it looks like.

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Everyone's got aging parents

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or aging grandparents.

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Yes.

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And so we knew it

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intuitively, right?

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Every time you saw him

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and he made a slip up

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or he faltered

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or he just kind of

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started staring off

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into space

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or he moved the way

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that he was moving

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like you've seen

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your grandpa move.

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We knew it.

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But if you dared

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bring it up,

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you were just,

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I mean,

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you were just

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kicked in the ass, right?

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And suddenly,

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somehow you were ageist

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and you were,

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you know,

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hyper-partisan

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and you were just,

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and you were MAGA

13:44

and you were,

13:44

all these things.

13:45

The epitome of gaslighting.

13:46

Yeah.

13:46

Gaslighting to the extreme.

13:47

Because it was so obvious

13:49

and in your face,

13:50

it's like,

13:51

no, it's not raining out.

13:52

Like, what?

13:53

It's fucking boring.

13:54

Like, what are you talking about?

13:55

Full gaslighting

13:57

right in front of your face.

13:58

Yeah.

13:58

And so,

13:59

I would love that

14:00

to be the first,

14:01

very first question.

14:02

Can you explain to us

14:03

at what point in time

14:04

you actually became aware

14:06

that he was in

14:07

significant mental decline?

14:09

Right?

14:10

And again,

14:10

that's,

14:11

I feel bad for the guy.

14:12

I feel bad for anybody

14:13

who's in that position.

14:14

Sure.

14:14

But he's the fucking

14:15

commander-in-chief, right?

14:16

He's the leader

14:16

of the free world.

14:17

So,

14:18

I think we have a right

14:19

to expect more

14:20

from that situation.

14:22

But,

14:22

I don't think,

14:23

there's going to be

14:24

none of those questions.

14:25

his last fuck you

14:26

was saying

14:27

that he wants Harris

14:28

to take his place.

14:29

That was his last fuck you

14:32

because from what I understand,

14:33

they wanted to have a primary

14:35

and they wanted to pick

14:36

their own person

14:37

and they didn't want

14:38

to have Harris.

14:39

Yeah,

14:40

she was nobody's idea

14:41

of the best,

14:42

most competent,

14:42

most qualified candidate

14:44

up until they

14:46

orchestrated this,

14:48

whatever you want to call it,

14:48

anointment or coronation

14:50

or coup.

14:50

You used to call it a coup.

14:51

Call it a coup.

14:52

It seems like a coup.

14:53

Yeah.

14:53

So,

14:54

until that point,

14:55

she wasn't

14:56

the preferred,

14:57

but now she's fucking

14:58

Beyonce and Joan of Arc

15:00

and, you know.

15:00

Well,

15:00

she had that one speech

15:02

where she really fucking nailed it

15:03

when she was talking about Trump.

15:04

And this is after Trump

15:05

even got shot

15:06

when she didn't even address

15:07

the fact that we have

15:08

to be more tolerant

15:09

and, you know.

15:10

You mean that teleprompter speech?

15:11

The teleprompter speech,

15:12

she fucking nailed it.

15:13

Yeah.

15:13

She nailed it.

15:14

But when you get her

15:15

off teleprompter,

15:16

she's fucked.

15:17

Yeah.

15:18

She's fucked.

15:19

Well,

15:19

I don't know this

15:21

and this is sheer speculation

15:22

on my part,

15:23

but I would be suspicious.

15:24

I love sheer speculation.

15:25

I know.

15:26

As opposed to

15:30

all the other times

15:31

that I'm not speculating.

15:32

I don't need facts.

15:32

Yeah.

15:33

But there's a chance,

15:36

maybe,

15:36

that they will know

15:37

the questions

15:37

for tomorrow night's interview

15:39

ahead of time.

15:39

Oh, come on.

15:40

I know.

15:41

I know.

15:41

Do you think CNN

15:42

would do that?

15:43

You're right.

15:44

I take it back

15:45

because I'm sure

15:47

it will be a series

15:48

of hard-hitting questions

15:49

and they won't let her

15:50

get away with anything

15:51

and it's all going

15:52

to work out fine.

15:53

Look,

15:54

all she's got to do

15:54

is beat the Biden

15:55

debate bar

15:56

and people are going

15:57

to say,

15:58

yeah,

15:58

she nailed it.

15:58

Yeah.

15:59

Well,

15:59

they're supposed

16:00

to have a debate,

16:00

right,

16:01

on ABC.

16:01

September 10th.

16:03

And isn't the woman

16:04

who moderates it

16:05

a part of the

16:06

Biden-Harris administration?

16:08

Oh, my God.

16:10

I didn't know that.

16:11

Who is the woman,

16:13

well,

16:13

she has some sort

16:14

of a connection

16:14

to the Biden-Harris administration,

16:16

the woman who is,

16:18

find that out, Jamie,

16:18

the woman who's moderating

16:20

the ABC debate.

16:21

Is it Joe Biden?

16:21

You did great, Joe.

16:25

You answered

16:25

all the questions

16:27

and what did he do?

16:30

He lied.

16:31

Poor bastard.

16:34

That poor bastard.

16:35

If that was my dad,

16:36

I'd be so fucking angry

16:38

at her.

16:38

I'd be like,

16:39

what are you doing to dad?

16:40

They're just dragging

16:41

him around, right?

16:42

Up until that moment,

16:43

just drag him around

16:44

and hope that, yeah.

16:45

Juicing him up

16:46

with Adderall

16:46

and having him talk

16:47

or whatever they're giving him.

16:48

Yeah.

16:49

I want to try

16:49

what he's getting.

16:50

Good.

16:50

It's got to be good, right?

16:51

It's got to be tremendous.

16:52

Imagine if you have a day

16:54

when you're kind of tired

16:55

and sleeping

16:55

and your brain's

16:56

not working that good.

16:57

Yeah, well,

16:57

I have several of those

16:58

every week.

16:59

Which, by the way,

16:59

I should say this,

17:00

if you are having

17:01

one of those days,

17:02

there's a study

17:03

that came out

17:03

about creatine.

17:04

Creatine,

17:05

which most people

17:06

think of as like

17:07

a muscle supplement,

17:08

which it is,

17:08

but creatine

17:10

actually helps

17:11

performance

17:11

when you're sleep-deprived

17:13

significantly.

17:14

That's interesting.

17:15

Yeah.

17:16

Okay, well,

17:16

that's good

17:16

because I'm constantly

17:17

sleep-deprived.

17:18

It's also great

17:19

for cognitive function.

17:20

Yeah.

17:20

I started taking it

17:21

on a regular basis.

17:22

My boys take it

17:24

for their workouts.

17:25

It's great for that, too.

17:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

17:27

I didn't know that

17:28

about that,

17:29

but I will definitely

17:29

jump out

17:30

because I find myself

17:31

like this month,

17:32

August,

17:33

I've been traveling

17:34

like a son of a bitch

17:35

and I'm probably getting

17:36

three and a half,

17:36

four hours of sleep

17:37

at night.

17:37

Yeah, that's not good.

17:39

It's not good.

17:39

It's not good

17:40

as we get older, too.

17:41

When I was young,

17:42

I could bounce back

17:43

from four hours sleep.

17:44

Not that bad.

17:45

Yeah.

17:46

But at 57,

17:47

it's rough.

17:47

Yeah, well,

17:48

try my age.

17:49

Yeah.

17:49

Creatine.

17:50

Get on some creatine.

17:51

82.

17:51

Yeah, me and Joe Biden.

17:53

God.

17:54

But it is remarkable

17:57

that when you look

17:59

at what's happened

18:00

over the past month

18:01

and a half,

18:02

I mean,

18:02

nobody,

18:04

it doesn't seem,

18:05

because, again,

18:06

the media is playing

18:08

along with this,

18:10

nobody's asking questions.

18:11

Who's running

18:12

the free world?

18:12

Who's making the decisions

18:15

at the White House?

18:17

It doesn't seem

18:19

to be a major concern,

18:21

right?

18:21

Which is bizarre.

18:22

Which is bizarre,

18:23

but the Democrats,

18:23

I get the Democrats,

18:24

right?

18:24

The Democrats are like,

18:25

well, but Trump.

18:27

It's always their answer,

18:28

but Trump.

18:29

And, you know,

18:30

if I point out

18:31

that maybe Harris,

18:32

you know,

18:32

is somewhat of a midwit,

18:34

you know,

18:35

but Trump.

18:35

And so,

18:38

what is your argument

18:39

back?

18:40

I mean,

18:40

what do you say?

18:41

Well, look,

18:41

maybe you should focus

18:42

on just having

18:43

the best qualified candidate

18:44

rather than saying,

18:45

well,

18:45

we just gotta beat Trump.

18:47

Right.

18:47

And that's,

18:49

I don't know,

18:49

it's not gonna happen,

18:50

but the fact

18:52

that there's just

18:53

nobody asking questions

18:55

about things like that.

18:56

When did you know

18:57

that President Biden

18:58

was in decline?

18:59

Who was actually

19:00

making the decisions?

19:01

Controversy surrounds

19:03

ABC News anchor

19:04

Lindsay Davis

19:04

as debate moderator

19:05

due to alleged bias

19:06

against Trump.

19:07

But doesn't there,

19:08

doesn't she have

19:09

sort of a connection

19:10

to the Biden

19:11

or Harris administration?

19:13

Didn't see anything

19:13

about that.

19:14

No?

19:14

Okay.

19:15

Who is Lindsay Davis?

19:16

Find out who she is.

19:17

It could be speculation

19:19

on your part.

19:20

No,

19:21

I read something,

19:22

some connection

19:23

that someone had made.

19:24

I should have saved it.

19:25

I tried looking for that

19:27

directly.

19:27

Huh.

19:28

I didn't see anything.

19:30

Yeah.

19:31

Yeah.

19:31

So that's the 10th.

19:32

But again,

19:34

I would say that,

19:34

hey, look,

19:35

it's much like this,

19:36

you know,

19:37

this upcoming interview,

19:38

right?

19:39

She just got to get through it

19:40

without a major screw up.

19:42

And I think they're going to say,

19:44

look, she did it.

19:45

She's had her interview.

19:46

It's all good.

19:46

Yeah.

19:48

I just don't think that,

19:49

you know,

19:49

people are that curious anymore.

19:51

And certainly on the Democrat side,

19:53

the one thing they're always very good at

19:55

is just doing what they're told

19:56

and following a message,

19:58

sticking to the message

20:00

and worrying about winning.

20:01

Yeah.

20:02

I saw Bill Maher

20:03

and Quentin Tarantino

20:04

talking about it,

20:05

whether or not

20:07

she should do interviews.

20:08

And Quentin Tarantino's like,

20:10

it's really important

20:11

that we just win.

20:12

Yeah.

20:13

That we just win.

20:14

Like,

20:14

are we the dolphins?

20:16

Are we going against the Raiders?

20:18

Or is this the United fucking States of America?

20:20

Like,

20:21

what the hell are you talking about?

20:22

Yeah.

20:23

You'd like to think

20:24

that people are really concerned

20:24

about the quality of their leaders,

20:26

but I think it is more about winning.

20:28

Again,

20:28

at least on the Democrat side.

20:30

Sometimes I question

20:30

whether the Republicans understand that.

20:32

I think it's on both sides.

20:34

I really do

20:35

because there were some people

20:36

that posted a deceptive video,

20:38

deceptively edited video

20:40

that made it look like Tim,

20:41

you know,

20:41

he has a son

20:42

that has some disabilities

20:45

and it looked like

20:47

he was yanking his son

20:49

like in a mean way,

20:52

but he was really just trying

20:53

to get his son

20:54

to not hit his head

20:55

on the teleprompter.

20:56

So the teleprompter

20:57

is this clear thing.

20:58

The kid's walking towards it

20:59

and he just gives him a pull

21:00

this way,

21:00

like,

21:00

let's go this way.

21:01

And they just took that clip

21:03

like,

21:03

oh,

21:03

I bet he's mean.

21:04

Look,

21:04

he's mean to his boy.

21:05

Yeah.

21:06

It's creepy.

21:07

It's the level

21:08

of disinformation

21:09

and misinformation

21:09

right now

21:10

leading up to November

21:11

is astounding.

21:13

Astounding.

21:13

And it's becoming

21:14

more and more difficult

21:15

because of,

21:15

you know,

21:15

generative AI

21:17

and just a willingness

21:19

to kind of disappear

21:20

down a rabbit hole

21:21

and believe whatever

21:22

you want to believe,

21:23

right?

21:23

Nobody's questioning

21:24

all this shit.

21:25

So,

21:25

but it is,

21:26

whether it's coming

21:27

from outside influence

21:29

and,

21:29

you know,

21:30

we know the Iranians

21:31

are very active right now.

21:32

Obviously,

21:33

the Russians and Chinese

21:34

are always interested

21:35

in screwing us up.

21:36

So,

21:36

but,

21:38

you know,

21:39

people,

21:40

if they don't do it themselves,

21:42

you know,

21:43

it's not as if,

21:44

you know,

21:45

this idea that the government

21:46

is going to,

21:46

you know,

21:47

tell you what's good

21:48

and what's not to read

21:49

is amazing,

21:50

right?

21:50

They just arrested

21:51

the Telegram CEO

21:52

over in Europe.

21:52

Yeah,

21:53

isn't that crazy?

21:53

Yeah.

21:54

I was going to ask you

21:55

about that too.

21:55

Yeah.

21:55

So,

21:56

it seems like

21:57

they wanted access

21:58

to Telegram's messages

22:01

because there were

22:02

certain people

22:03

that were posting things

22:04

that had been a part of,

22:06

there was a terrorist

22:07

attack in Russia

22:09

that they tried

22:10

to get them

22:11

to give up information about,

22:12

but then they gave up

22:14

on that

22:14

and they left him alone.

22:15

But now in France,

22:16

they've arrested him.

22:17

Yeah,

22:18

they picked him up

22:19

three days ago,

22:21

I think four days ago.

22:22

And unfortunately,

22:23

he's got this social media

22:24

girlfriend

22:24

who posts pictures

22:25

everywhere she goes

22:26

so they can fucking

22:27

find him everywhere.

22:28

Telegram CEO

22:29

released from custody

22:31

in Paris.

22:31

Okay.

22:32

Great.

22:32

They extended his,

22:33

they extended his detention

22:35

for 48 hours

22:36

and then they had

22:36

to make a decision,

22:37

I think it was by today,

22:38

as to what to do with him.

22:39

Okay,

22:40

there you go.

22:41

Judge had until Wednesday morning

22:42

to either charge him

22:42

or release him.

22:43

So,

22:43

they released him.

22:44

Well,

22:44

I think the outrage

22:45

of the world.

22:46

Okay,

22:46

so this is said,

22:47

dual citizen of France

22:49

and Russia

22:49

was taken into custody

22:50

Saturday.

22:50

He was detained

22:52

on an arrest warrant

22:53

over accusations.

22:54

The platform was used

22:55

for money laundering,

22:56

drug trafficking,

22:57

and other offenses.

22:58

Guess what?

22:59

You could say that

22:59

about Gmail.

23:00

Yeah.

23:01

Should we arrest Google?

23:03

Yeah.

23:03

Because Gmail is used

23:04

for money laundering

23:06

and drug sales?

23:07

Because it certainly is.

23:08

Yeah,

23:09

and I think,

23:09

well,

23:10

look,

23:10

honestly,

23:10

I think there's some people

23:12

in the States

23:13

that if they thought

23:14

they could get away with it,

23:14

they would.

23:15

That's what they would

23:15

be pushing for.

23:17

But with this,

23:17

with Pavel Durov,

23:19

I think they were

23:22

really upset

23:24

with a couple of things.

23:24

One is that

23:25

Telegram has a history

23:28

of not cooperating

23:29

with criminal investigations,

23:30

right?

23:31

Not releasing information

23:32

or complying with requests

23:34

from whomever it may be,

23:35

right?

23:36

Europol,

23:36

Interpol,

23:37

anyone.

23:37

And so they basically

23:40

figured out a way

23:41

to say,

23:42

look,

23:42

because of your inability

23:43

or your failure

23:44

to moderate the content

23:46

on your platform,

23:47

on Telegram,

23:48

we're going to criminally

23:49

charge you,

23:50

perhaps,

23:51

right?

23:51

Now,

23:51

I suspect that's what

23:52

they're going to do with this,

23:53

but I think you're right.

23:54

I think the outrage said,

23:56

okay,

23:56

well,

23:56

let's let him go for now.

23:57

But he's not,

23:59

look,

23:59

he got sideways with Putin.

24:00

So he's a dual citizen

24:03

of...

24:04

Russia and France.

24:07

No,

24:07

France and United Arab Emirates.

24:09

Oh,

24:09

really?

24:10

Yeah.

24:10

And although the Russians,

24:12

Putin regime was very funny

24:14

when he got arrested.

24:16

They were outraged

24:17

over the fact

24:18

that they viewed this

24:20

as a limit on free speech.

24:21

That's cute.

24:22

That's the Putin regime.

24:23

Yeah,

24:23

yeah.

24:24

Oh,

24:24

my God,

24:25

because you know

24:25

how much they value

24:26

civil liberties and shit.

24:28

Especially dissenting opinions.

24:30

Yeah,

24:30

well,

24:30

they love.

24:31

There is nothing better.

24:32

Yeah.

24:32

It's all about free expression

24:33

over there in Russia.

24:34

But,

24:35

oh,

24:36

God,

24:38

Russia.

24:39

So let me ask you this

24:41

before we get off topic

24:43

about the assassination.

24:45

Is it normal

24:46

for there to be

24:46

an assassination attempt

24:48

and then no press conference?

24:49

It is,

24:53

because we don't have

24:55

assassination attempts

24:56

every week,

24:57

it's kind of hard to say

24:58

that is it normal

24:58

to do this.

24:59

But if there's a major

24:59

world event,

25:01

right,

25:01

right.

25:01

Generally,

25:02

don't they have

25:03

press conferences?

25:04

Yes.

25:04

And it was,

25:06

look,

25:06

the whole thing,

25:07

the protocols

25:09

that weren't followed,

25:10

the process,

25:11

the fact that it was

25:13

a cock-up

25:13

of monumental proportions

25:15

leading up to

25:17

Thomas Crooks

25:18

taking those shots.

25:19

And then the afterwards,

25:22

right,

25:22

then the way

25:23

that they handled it

25:24

was another series

25:25

of,

25:25

still to this day,

25:27

this series of mistakes

25:29

mistakes that

25:29

there is no justification

25:31

for it.

25:32

You can't,

25:33

look,

25:33

doing security

25:35

at an event

25:37

like the Butler Rally

25:38

back in July

25:39

where Trump was shot.

25:40

Right now,

25:43

there's people out there

25:44

going,

25:44

I don't think

25:45

he was shot.

25:46

I'm pretty sure

25:47

he wasn't.

25:48

So,

25:50

I think

25:51

that's,

25:53

it's not rocket science,

25:54

right?

25:55

It's,

25:55

it's very

25:57

labor intensive

25:58

and detail oriented

25:59

but it's not,

26:00

you're not building

26:01

a spaceship,

26:02

right?

26:02

You're,

26:02

you're going through

26:03

the same process

26:04

that you go through

26:05

every time you have

26:06

one of these events,

26:07

right?

26:07

And so,

26:07

you have a political

26:09

rally like that

26:09

and it's not a

26:11

national security event

26:12

so it's not the DNC,

26:13

it's not the RNC,

26:14

it's not the Super Bowl,

26:16

it's not the Olympics.

26:17

Those are national

26:19

security events.

26:19

You have a year plus

26:21

to plan and prepare,

26:23

get all your resources

26:24

together and figure out

26:25

your game plan,

26:26

your site surveys,

26:27

all the rest of it.

26:28

You still have time

26:29

with these political events.

26:31

Don't have a year

26:32

but you've got sufficient time

26:34

and they do it

26:34

over and over again

26:35

and it's not tough.

26:38

So,

26:38

you do a site survey

26:39

and you say,

26:40

okay,

26:41

he's going to show up

26:41

at Butler,

26:42

let's get out there

26:43

and the Secret Service

26:45

has primacy

26:46

they work with

26:48

local,

26:48

state resources

26:49

if they need to

26:50

heavy up the security

26:51

and they don't have

26:52

the available resources

26:53

but they have the primacy

26:55

so they go out

26:56

and the site survey,

26:58

that whole process,

26:59

the risk threat assessment

27:01

and the survey

27:01

is where you identify

27:04

your timelines

27:05

and your resources

27:07

and your deployment

27:08

of resources

27:08

and all the various things,

27:10

your command and control center,

27:12

your communications protocols,

27:13

all those things

27:14

but it's over and over

27:15

and over again.

27:16

There's a methodology to it

27:18

and the Secret Service,

27:19

you know,

27:20

they do this all the time

27:21

so it does lead you

27:24

to wonder

27:25

how many more events

27:26

in the past

27:26

have they been,

27:27

you know,

27:27

not buttoned up

27:29

and they just got lucky

27:30

because there wasn't a shooter

27:31

but there's no way

27:33

to excuse what happened

27:35

because it was such a breakdown

27:37

of events

27:38

and then afterwards

27:41

in the hot washing

27:42

and the briefings

27:43

that they did provide

27:44

and going up on Capitol Hill

27:46

and Kimberly Cheadle,

27:47

the now departed director,

27:49

it was a classic lesson

27:53

in how not to do

27:54

crisis communications

27:55

and she should have been,

27:56

the director who's now gone,

27:58

she should have been out

27:59

on the rally grounds

28:01

that afternoon,

28:02

that evening,

28:03

sorry,

28:03

and with a team

28:05

and with the agent in charge

28:08

and it should have been

28:09

very clear

28:10

to the press

28:12

all around

28:13

that they were

28:15

out there

28:16

doing the investigation,

28:17

assessing what had happened

28:18

and people would be responsible

28:20

and they would talk,

28:21

but none of that happened.

28:22

It was just a fucking goat rope.

28:24

It's because it's Trump.

28:26

If it was anybody else.

28:28

Yeah.

28:28

Like if that had happened,

28:29

if there's an assassination

28:30

attempt about Biden.

28:31

Yeah.

28:32

Yeah.

28:32

Oh.

28:33

Yeah.

28:33

Yeah.

28:34

It would have been crazy

28:35

if Biden got winged

28:36

in the ear

28:37

the same way

28:38

and they took him out

28:41

and the whole deal

28:41

and, you know,

28:42

they shoot the guy

28:44

and there's an investigation.

28:46

It would have been

28:47

on the news

28:48

constantly,

28:49

constantly

28:50

for weeks and weeks.

28:52

It would have been

28:52

lead story every night.

28:54

More information

28:55

in the assassination attempt

28:57

on President Biden.

28:58

Day 22.

28:59

Yeah.

28:59

It would have been

28:59

the same thing.

29:00

Right wing,

29:01

far right activist,

29:02

registered Republican,

29:04

Thomas Crooks.

29:05

Yes.

29:05

Because apparently

29:06

he was a registered Republican.

29:07

Yeah.

29:08

He had donated,

29:08

I think,

29:09

$15 to a Democratic

29:11

or a progressive group

29:12

and he had registered

29:14

as a Republican

29:14

and he was all over the map.

29:16

He had done research

29:17

on Biden.

29:17

He'd done research

29:18

on Trump.

29:19

He'd done,

29:19

so he was,

29:20

you know,

29:21

they're trying to posit

29:22

a motivation

29:23

because they haven't

29:24

been clear about that yet.

29:25

They're still trying

29:25

to figure out a motivation

29:26

that he was just

29:29

looking for an opportunity,

29:30

right,

29:30

to carry out his vision.

29:33

Does he,

29:34

did he have a,

29:34

we don't even know,

29:35

does he have a history

29:36

of being mentally ill?

29:37

There was some talk,

29:38

they're starting to develop

29:40

a narrative that says,

29:41

you know,

29:41

for the past couple of years

29:42

people were concerned

29:44

about his mental health.

29:46

There were a couple

29:47

of people I think

29:47

that had an acquaintance

29:49

with him

29:50

that were saying,

29:50

well,

29:51

we just assumed

29:51

he was bipolar

29:52

or depressive.

29:53

He had researched

29:54

depressive disorders

29:56

that was on some

29:57

of his electronic gear.

29:58

And so,

30:01

yeah,

30:01

I mean,

30:01

that could be,

30:02

that could be it.

30:03

But again,

30:04

the bottom line is

30:05

the whole process,

30:07

command and control,

30:08

resource deployment,

30:09

communications process,

30:11

all of it just completely

30:12

fucked up on that,

30:13

on that day.

30:14

And usually when you

30:15

have a problem

30:16

of that magnitude

30:17

with security,

30:18

it's never just one thing.

30:19

It's a series of things

30:20

that compound.

30:21

And,

30:22

you know,

30:23

but then,

30:24

you know,

30:24

the acting director,

30:25

Ro,

30:26

you know,

30:26

he goes up there

30:27

and,

30:27

you know,

30:28

it was a few weeks back now,

30:30

but when he first showed up

30:31

to say,

30:31

I'm the acting director

30:32

and I'm go up to Capitol Hill

30:33

and answer your questions,

30:34

which he didn't really do.

30:37

You know,

30:37

they were talking about,

30:38

well,

30:38

it's almost impossible

30:40

to get all the elements

30:41

talking on the same frequency,

30:43

right?

30:43

The local police

30:44

are talking on their frequency,

30:45

Secret Service

30:46

talking on their frequency,

30:47

counter sniper teams,

30:48

maybe they're operating

30:49

on a different channel.

30:50

You can't combine those.

30:52

Well,

30:52

of course you can.

30:53

I,

30:53

I,

30:54

I,

30:54

I just telling you

30:56

for a fact

30:56

that you can,

30:58

there are capabilities

31:00

out there

31:01

and available

31:02

to allow you

31:03

to get everybody

31:05

talking on the same sheet

31:06

of music

31:06

at an event like that.

31:07

Of course.

31:08

And,

31:08

to say otherwise

31:09

is nonsense.

31:10

Yeah.

31:11

Yeah.

31:11

And it's,

31:11

and it's also,

31:12

yeah,

31:12

it devies logic,

31:13

but it also,

31:13

and that,

31:14

I think that was the thing

31:15

about this is why

31:16

people were so shocked

31:18

is because

31:18

you didn't have to,

31:21

to be a security expert

31:22

to look at this thing

31:23

in real time.

31:24

Well,

31:24

how about the sloped roof thing?

31:26

Oh God.

31:26

We couldn't get agents

31:28

up there because

31:29

the roof was sloped

31:30

and it could be dangerous

31:32

and it's sloped

31:33

like five degrees.

31:34

Yeah.

31:34

That was,

31:35

that was the nail

31:35

in her coffin

31:36

when she came out

31:36

with that bullshit.

31:37

It was,

31:38

the whole thing

31:38

was insane

31:39

because you had snipers

31:40

on another roof.

31:41

So what are you talking about?

31:43

Yeah.

31:43

Yeah.

31:44

Yeah.

31:44

What do they have?

31:45

Two counter sniper teams

31:46

and,

31:47

but again,

31:48

when you go out

31:49

to a place like that

31:50

and you walk the grounds

31:51

and you stand

31:52

and you survey,

31:53

right,

31:53

and you fly drones around

31:55

and you get a real sense

31:56

of what you're talking about

31:57

in the early stages

31:58

of a survey

31:59

or an assessment like that,

32:00

there are just certain things

32:02

you look for.

32:03

Right.

32:03

You know,

32:04

okay,

32:04

there's the stage,

32:05

there's a tall building

32:07

over there.

32:07

How about the water tower?

32:08

Yeah.

32:08

How about the water tower?

32:09

Maybe we cover that down too.

32:11

and you know,

32:14

and I think

32:14

the transparency

32:15

that we have on this

32:16

right now

32:17

is pretty much thanks

32:18

to the local law enforcement.

32:20

I mean,

32:20

that's where we've gotten

32:21

most of our information,

32:22

right?

32:22

They've shared body cam images,

32:23

they've shared radio conversations

32:26

and I think in part

32:27

they're doing it

32:28

because they're so pissed off,

32:29

right?

32:29

Yeah,

32:29

well,

32:30

their conversations

32:31

were about how

32:31

they saw this guy

32:32

in advance

32:33

and they alerted people.

32:33

He was walking around

32:34

with a fucking rangefinder.

32:36

Yeah.

32:36

That's it.

32:38

Is that a clue?

32:38

You walk around

32:39

with a rangefinder,

32:40

they should just arrest you.

32:41

It is,

32:43

it is,

32:44

it's shocking

32:45

and then he was there

32:45

a couple hours ahead of time

32:46

flying a drone.

32:47

Insane.

32:48

Yeah,

32:48

and,

32:49

but I think that

32:51

the Secret Service,

32:52

their go-to

32:53

in the immediate aftermath

32:54

was to point fingers

32:55

at the local law enforcement

32:56

and so I think

32:56

the local law enforcement

32:57

was like,

32:57

fuck you.

32:58

Fuck you.

32:58

Yeah,

32:58

and so they've been,

33:00

they've been transparent

33:01

where Secret Service hasn't,

33:03

right?

33:03

Government,

33:04

I tell you this,

33:05

government hates

33:06

to hold a press conference

33:08

when they don't have

33:08

all the facts,

33:09

right?

33:10

They're just not

33:10

comfortable with it

33:11

and particularly

33:12

something like this,

33:13

the idea that

33:14

Ro kept saying,

33:15

the acting director

33:16

kept saying about,

33:16

well,

33:17

we're not going to get out

33:17

ahead of the investigation.

33:18

Well,

33:18

you know what?

33:19

Sometimes there's,

33:19

there's times when you need to.

33:21

Right.

33:21

And the,

33:22

and the fact that they,

33:23

they fail to understand

33:24

the optic of this

33:25

right in the immediate aftermath

33:27

and say,

33:28

man,

33:28

we got to be so fucking proactive here.

33:30

We got to be more transparent

33:31

than we've ever been before.

33:32

There's a lot of other things

33:34

that disturb me.

33:35

Here's one.

33:36

Was there,

33:38

is it normal for CNN

33:40

to live stream

33:41

a Trump press event

33:43

or a Trump campaign event?

33:45

They normally,

33:47

I mean,

33:47

if they,

33:48

if they show it,

33:48

they normally jump out of it

33:50

after the first 10 seconds or so.

33:52

Oh,

33:52

he's lying again.

33:53

We've counted five lies.

33:55

But I do have to say this

33:56

and I say this as a credit to CNN.

33:58

It seems like they have made

34:00

a concerted effort

34:01

to be more balanced.

34:03

And I think this is in

34:05

the aftermath of firing Don Lemon

34:07

and Brian Stelter

34:08

and all those people over there

34:11

that people were frustrated with.

34:12

I think they have made

34:14

a concerted effort.

34:15

Like there was a gentleman

34:16

who was on,

34:16

who was talking about

34:17

that everyone's blaming Trump

34:20

for things,

34:20

but that the Democrats

34:22

have been in control

34:23

of the White House

34:24

for 12 of the last 16 years.

34:27

And when he said that,

34:28

it was like,

34:28

whoa.

34:29

Yeah.

34:30

That was a big moment

34:31

and no one had an answer to that.

34:32

They were like,

34:33

yeah,

34:33

but they have to,

34:34

the undermining

34:35

that Trump has done

34:36

to our democracy

34:37

and the threats

34:37

and what he said,

34:38

he's going to be a dictator.

34:39

He said he's going to be a dictator.

34:40

On day one.

34:41

Holy shit, man.

34:42

He's joking around

34:43

about closing the border.

34:44

Like that's,

34:45

he's not going to listen to anybody.

34:46

He's just going to close the border.

34:47

12 of the last 16 years

34:49

and you know what?

34:50

Kamala Harris,

34:51

if she wins,

34:52

she's going to fix the problem.

34:54

She's in right now.

34:56

I know.

34:56

Which is so crazy.

34:58

Another part of the whole equation

35:00

that I'm sure

35:01

they won't get asked tomorrow night.

35:02

Right.

35:03

When you talk about

35:03

fixing the problems

35:04

and making America,

35:06

what have you been doing?

35:07

Maybe they will

35:09

and maybe they've already

35:10

prepared for that.

35:11

Maybe they have

35:12

some sort of fucking spinny,

35:13

spinny spin

35:15

they're going to put on that

35:16

to make it seem

35:16

like it makes sense.

35:17

Somebody has,

35:18

I guarantee you,

35:19

put everybody on the polygraph

35:22

over there

35:22

and see like somebody

35:23

could just be a researcher

35:25

or a producer

35:26

or whatever.

35:27

They're talking,

35:27

they're talking

35:28

because you know

35:29

the DNC

35:29

and the campaign team

35:31

have been,

35:32

ever since they agreed,

35:34

okay,

35:34

let's do this interview,

35:35

somebody's been beating

35:37

on somebody to say,

35:38

okay,

35:38

well,

35:38

where are you going to go

35:39

with this?

35:40

What questions are you going to ask?

35:41

And somebody's slipping

35:42

that under the table.

35:43

There's no way they're not.

35:44

They're all Democrats.

35:46

There's no,

35:47

I mean,

35:47

if you're working for CNN,

35:48

you're a Democrat,

35:49

most likely.

35:50

There's very few Republicans

35:52

over there.

35:53

Yeah,

35:53

there might be some independents.

35:54

There might be.

35:55

Libertarians.

35:55

Yeah,

35:56

but there's a few,

35:56

there's a few that are,

35:57

even though they're

35:59

liberal leaning,

36:00

I think they're,

36:01

Jake Tapper,

36:01

I think is very fair.

36:02

I think he's probably

36:03

the most objective

36:04

at all of them,

36:04

even though I'm sure

36:05

he has his own opinions

36:06

and biases.

36:06

Yeah.

36:07

But they're not acting

36:08

like journalists.

36:09

They act like advocates

36:11

for the Democratic Party

36:12

and that's where it gets weird

36:14

because you're supposed

36:14

to be the news.

36:15

Yeah,

36:15

well,

36:16

I think what happened,

36:17

a couple of things is,

36:18

is with CNN moving,

36:20

possibly this idea

36:22

that they're moving

36:23

a little bit towards

36:23

the center.

36:23

And I will say,

36:24

you see more negative comments

36:26

from the left,

36:28

right,

36:29

about CNN.

36:29

I think they're pissed off

36:30

sometimes with CNN

36:31

because they're not as hard.

36:32

Because they're objective.

36:32

Because they're trying

36:34

to move a little bit more.

36:35

I think that's a revenue issue

36:37

for them

36:38

because I don't think

36:38

they've made money

36:39

since they've been around.

36:40

Right.

36:41

But I think they're realizing

36:42

that maybe there's more

36:43

profit margin

36:45

a little bit further

36:46

towards the center

36:47

than where they've been sitting.

36:49

Well,

36:50

if they could convince people

36:51

that they will actually

36:52

be objective,

36:52

people like me will listen.

36:54

Mm-hmm.

36:54

And that's the thing.

36:55

I'm much more center

36:57

than I am anything.

36:58

Well,

36:59

remember,

36:59

you used to tune in CNN

37:00

when shit was hitting the fan,

37:02

right,

37:02

overseas.

37:03

Oh, yeah.

37:03

because they had

37:05

more field offices,

37:06

they had more bureaus

37:07

all over the world

37:08

and you'd turn on CNN

37:10

to see what's going on.

37:12

Yeah.

37:12

We used to have it

37:14

be on if you walked

37:14

into a station overseas.

37:15

CNN was always on,

37:16

right?

37:17

I mean,

37:17

it still is

37:18

for the most part.

37:18

Was it when Jeff Zucker

37:19

got involved?

37:20

Is that when things changed?

37:21

You know what?

37:24

I don't know.

37:24

I'm not qualified.

37:25

Because he put on

37:26

some good stuff too.

37:27

He was the head of NBC

37:28

when I was over there.

37:29

Okay.

37:30

When I was over there

37:30

for News Radio

37:31

and Fear Factor.

37:32

Maybe not News Radio.

37:33

No,

37:33

not News Radio.

37:34

Fear Factor.

37:34

He was the head guy

37:35

over there.

37:36

And when he went over there,

37:37

he did a bunch of great things

37:38

like the Anthony Bourdain show.

37:40

They were doing

37:40

those interesting shows.

37:41

W. Kamau Bell

37:44

had a show on there.

37:45

They were doing

37:45

some cool stuff

37:46

that was not just the news.

37:49

And I was like,

37:49

oh,

37:49

I like it.

37:50

I like it.

37:50

But then when they became,

37:52

like Don Lemon,

37:53

at one point in time,

37:55

do you remember

37:55

when Don Lemon

37:55

had that famous speech

37:56

about what black people

37:57

need to do?

37:58

Pull your pants up.

37:59

Get your shit together.

38:00

Yeah.

38:00

I was like,

38:01

fuck yeah,

38:01

Don Lemon.

38:02

And where's that guy?

38:04

Yeah.

38:04

Where'd that guy go?

38:05

That guy fucking vanished.

38:07

There was no money in that.

38:08

No, no.

38:09

There is.

38:10

You just gotta go to Fox.

38:11

Yeah.

38:11

Oh, God.

38:14

You can't hang out

38:15

at CNN

38:15

with those kind of fucking

38:16

objective opinions.

38:19

God.

38:19

Yeah,

38:21

it'll be,

38:21

so I think,

38:23

again,

38:25

I think this interview

38:27

that she's gonna do,

38:27

I get it.

38:28

I understand.

38:29

Why wouldn't you want

38:30

to be in a comfortable spot?

38:31

Right.

38:31

I think it's very bizarre

38:32

that she's doing

38:33

a joint interview

38:34

with Walt.

38:35

You know,

38:35

if you want to show

38:37

that you're ready

38:37

for the job

38:38

and you're,

38:40

you know,

38:41

could possibly be

38:42

the first,

38:43

you know,

38:43

woman vice president

38:44

or president

38:44

of the United States

38:46

and then you say,

38:47

okay,

38:47

my first big interview,

38:48

I'm gonna do it,

38:49

sit here with this dude.

38:50

Can you imagine

38:50

if Trump

38:51

did all his interviews

38:52

with Pence?

38:52

What?

38:54

What the fuck?

38:55

What?

38:56

Where is Pence?

38:57

He's hiding.

38:57

That dude's hiding.

38:59

I don't even know

38:59

where he is.

39:00

All those QAnon people,

39:01

they don't like him.

39:01

Oh, God, no.

39:02

No, that's true.

39:03

Oh, they think he's a traitor.

39:04

Yeah.

39:05

They think he's responsible

39:07

for Trump

39:08

not being still in office.

39:09

There's nobody

39:10

in the middle anymore.

39:11

Oh, my God.

39:12

No one's in the middle

39:13

and if you're in the middle,

39:13

you're an enemy.

39:14

You're the enemy.

39:14

Pick a fucking side.

39:16

Pick a side.

39:16

You guys need to stop.

39:17

Cut this shit, man.

39:19

We need about

39:20

five different parties

39:21

that are all relevant.

39:22

Goddamn right.

39:23

And right now,

39:24

we have two.

39:24

Yeah.

39:25

And one of them

39:26

is way more funded.

39:27

Like, way more funded.

39:29

Fucking way more funded.

39:31

You see,

39:31

they've raked in,

39:33

the Democrats have raked in

39:34

something like

39:35

half a billion dollars.

39:36

Nuts.

39:37

Yeah.

39:37

And they'll probably

39:39

spend it all.

39:39

But have you seen

39:40

the Project Veritas

39:42

deep dive into that?

39:44

Where they go to

39:45

people's houses

39:46

and they ask them,

39:46

did you donate

39:47

$150,000

39:48

because he's registered donors?

39:50

And he's like,

39:51

goodness, no.

39:52

I didn't donate

39:54

any of that money.

39:55

$150,000.

39:56

So there's all these

39:57

donations that

39:58

at least Project Veritas

40:00

is claiming

40:00

and these people

40:01

are claiming

40:01

were not theirs

40:02

and that they're

40:03

throwing money

40:04

into this pot

40:05

and they're

40:06

attributing it

40:07

to all these people

40:08

that probably

40:08

don't even know

40:09

it's being attributed

40:10

to them.

40:11

I think that's

40:11

what they're alluding to.

40:12

If they can,

40:14

I mean,

40:14

if the cost of this

40:15

campaign

40:15

is going to be

40:17

north of a billion,

40:18

you have to assume.

40:19

That's so crazy.

40:20

And you think about,

40:21

yeah,

40:21

if there was a way

40:22

to take money out of it,

40:24

if there was a way

40:25

to enact term limits

40:27

and there was a way

40:28

to have a meaningful

40:29

third and fourth party

40:30

completely change

40:32

the landscape here,

40:33

I would think.

40:34

And I think for the better.

40:35

I don't think there's any,

40:36

I mean,

40:36

in my mind,

40:36

I don't think

40:38

I can be persuaded otherwise,

40:39

but I just don't see

40:41

that happening.

40:42

Who's going to vote

40:42

against their own

40:43

best interests,

40:44

right?

40:44

You look at the money

40:45

that these politicians

40:46

can make

40:47

and they can walk

40:48

out the door

40:49

of multi-millionaires

40:50

on salaries

40:51

where that doesn't

40:52

make any sense.

40:53

That's the other thing

40:54

you need to get out

40:55

of there

40:55

is insider trading.

40:56

Yeah.

40:56

Well,

40:57

I think it's important

40:58

that we all

40:59

participate.

41:00

It's a free market.

41:01

Gotta go.

41:02

Gotta go.

41:03

Oh,

41:03

you know what?

41:04

You know what?

41:04

My wife is so damn smart.

41:06

A hell of a lot smarter

41:08

than I am.

41:08

She's very smart.

41:09

She is very smart.

41:10

She's kind of spooky smart.

41:11

I know,

41:11

right?

41:12

You talk to her,

41:12

you're like,

41:13

yo.

41:13

Yeah,

41:14

yeah.

41:14

This lady's operating

41:15

on a very high frequency.

41:16

I know,

41:17

which makes you wonder

41:17

why is she still with me?

41:19

That's what they like.

41:21

A nice dumb guy.

41:22

A good dumb guy,

41:22

right?

41:23

Yeah.

41:23

You know,

41:23

I'm good at picking things up

41:24

and putting them down.

41:25

That's all they need.

41:26

I can fetch things.

41:27

They need you to open up

41:29

mayonnaise jars.

41:29

Look at this!

41:33

Hand Mike the pickles.

41:34

Every now and then

41:34

I walk over there

41:35

and I just show her

41:36

just so she knows

41:36

what I'm around here for.

41:37

That's right.

41:38

Yeah.

41:38

I can fucking open shit.

41:39

God damn it.

41:40

I will say this.

41:41

The other thing about this

41:42

is,

41:42

like,

41:45

all three of my boys,

41:46

like,

41:46

I just got in

41:48

from Florida this morning

41:49

and I was dropping

41:51

our middle boy

41:52

back at IMG,

41:54

right?

41:55

He plays basketball

41:55

down there

41:56

and he's constantly,

41:58

and the older one,

41:59

even the youngest one,

42:00

they're constantly

42:01

just hitting me.

42:02

They're beating on me,

42:02

right?

42:03

Every time they walk by.

42:03

Boy stuff.

42:04

Yeah,

42:04

they can't walk by me

42:05

without hitting me,

42:06

right?

42:06

Yeah.

42:06

And,

42:07

and I mean,

42:08

now they're really

42:09

putting some effort

42:10

into it,

42:10

right?

42:11

They got testosterone now.

42:12

Yeah,

42:12

they got testosterone

42:13

and they want a,

42:13

they want a,

42:14

they want a title shot,

42:15

right?

42:15

And so,

42:16

they're all kind of

42:17

getting to that point

42:17

and they're just like,

42:18

I'll walk into the elevator

42:20

yesterday with,

42:21

with,

42:21

with Sammy

42:22

and we get in there

42:23

and the door's closed

42:24

and he just goes,

42:24

quails on me.

42:25

Like,

42:26

what the fuck

42:26

are you doing?

42:27

I was talking about this

42:28

with Huberman,

42:29

that the difference

42:30

between a boy

42:30

of 12 years old

42:32

and a boy of 17

42:33

is only five years.

42:34

Yeah.

42:34

So,

42:35

you and I

42:36

in five years

42:36

basically probably be

42:37

pretty close to the same,

42:39

but hopefully we won't

42:39

decline too much.

42:40

Yeah.

42:41

but from a boy

42:41

at 12 years old

42:43

they can't hurt anybody.

42:43

At 17 years old

42:44

they can fuck up

42:45

grown men.

42:46

Yeah.

42:46

And it happens quick.

42:47

It happens quick

42:48

and they,

42:49

all of a sudden,

42:50

yeah,

42:50

it's like,

42:50

it's like with the,

42:51

the two oldest ones.

42:51

I look at them.

42:52

If I'm away,

42:53

you know,

42:53

I travel a fair amount

42:54

and I come back

42:55

and at this stage,

42:56

they got muscles,

42:57

they're bigger,

42:58

they're taller.

42:58

I'm thinking,

42:59

holy shit.

42:59

But I just,

43:00

it's like,

43:00

it's like,

43:01

it's like living in a house

43:03

with,

43:03

with Kato.

43:04

Remember?

43:04

When he would like,

43:07

We're really dating

43:08

ourselves now.

43:08

Exactly.

43:09

But he'd leap out

43:10

of nowhere

43:10

and just attack you.

43:12

And I'm thinking,

43:12

what the fuck?

43:12

From the Pink Panther.

43:13

God,

43:14

yeah,

43:14

exactly.

43:14

But,

43:15

so,

43:16

yeah,

43:17

anyway,

43:17

we dropped him off

43:18

yesterday.

43:19

He's back there

43:20

for his next,

43:21

his next year.

43:22

And I will say that,

43:23

you know,

43:25

but just talking about IMG,

43:26

they told me a fact yesterday

43:28

and I was just talking about

43:29

with the guys outside

43:29

before we started,

43:30

which astounds me.

43:32

They graduated

43:33

88

43:34

ball players

43:36

last year,

43:37

basketball players.

43:39

from seniors

43:40

and their post-grad program.

43:42

88 of them,

43:43

82 of them

43:45

are now playing college ball.

43:46

Wow.

43:47

That's astounding.

43:48

That's pretty astounding.

43:48

It's amazing.

43:49

And that's just the one sport there.

43:50

They've got,

43:51

you know,

43:51

they cover most of the sports.

43:52

That's pretty incredible.

43:52

It's an,

43:53

it's an amazing program.

43:54

And so anyway,

43:56

but moving on.

43:57

I interrupted you.

43:58

You were about to say

43:59

something smart

43:59

that your wife said.

44:00

God damn it.

44:01

I was saying,

44:02

we're talking about

44:03

the Trump thing

44:04

and the objective thing

44:06

with the news

44:07

and all that jazz.

44:08

Fucking hell.

44:09

I'm having a Biden moment now.

44:10

What was I talking about?

44:11

Jamie,

44:11

you remember what I was going to say?

44:12

No?

44:13

No?

44:13

It'll come to me later on.

44:16

Okay.

44:16

Yeah.

44:17

Yeah.

44:17

I don't even remember

44:18

what I was about to say.

44:20

Well,

44:20

we made a diversion.

44:21

Yeah,

44:21

we did.

44:22

We disappeared down

44:23

a rabbit hole there.

44:23

We're essentially

44:24

just talking about

44:25

the problem

44:26

with narratives

44:27

that people,

44:28

there's no one in the middle

44:29

and that everyone is,

44:31

if you're not on one side,

44:32

you're a traitor.

44:33

Yeah.

44:34

You're an enemy.

44:34

And you do,

44:35

I don't know.

44:37

There's no way,

44:38

I don't think there's any way

44:39

to walk that dog back.

44:41

Right?

44:41

Look,

44:42

we had that moment

44:43

after the assassination attempt

44:44

and like we talked about earlier,

44:46

people were saying,

44:47

yeah,

44:48

we got to be more civil.

44:49

It was like a mini 9-11.

44:50

Remember after 9-11?

44:52

Yeah.

44:52

Everybody was so nice

44:53

to each other

44:54

for like weeks.

44:55

Yeah, weeks.

44:55

That one lasted a long time.

44:57

Yeah.

44:57

I remember coming

44:58

to New York City

44:59

and we filmed Fear Factor

45:00

after September 11th

45:02

and everybody was so nice.

45:04

They were so,

45:05

and firemen were treated

45:06

like fucking heroes.

45:07

Yeah.

45:07

Firemen got laid

45:09

more than any other time.

45:10

I mean,

45:11

everybody wanted

45:12

to bang a fireman

45:13

and wanted to help

45:14

those guys out.

45:14

Yeah,

45:15

I grew a mustache

45:15

and pretended I was a fireman

45:16

for a while.

45:17

All the first responders,

45:18

cops,

45:18

EMT guys,

45:19

they all got mad respect.

45:21

Yeah.

45:21

And everybody was

45:22

a lot more peaceful

45:23

and civil

45:24

and in Los Angeles

45:25

it was palpable.

45:26

You had American flags

45:28

on everyone's car.

45:29

Yeah.

45:29

It was,

45:30

it was kind of cool.

45:31

And then you had the same

45:32

with the military, right?

45:34

Yeah.

45:34

Shortly after

45:35

and then we went

45:35

into Tora Bora

45:36

and then that whole thing

45:37

kicked off

45:38

but there was a period

45:39

of time,

45:39

you're right.

45:40

And usually,

45:41

not that you want

45:42

something like that

45:42

to happen.

45:43

I mean,

45:44

look at the pandemic.

45:45

I mean,

45:46

the pandemic brought

45:46

people together

45:47

for a while.

45:47

People were so nice

45:48

to you.

45:48

In the beginning,

45:51

I thought it was going

45:52

to be like 9-11

45:53

where everyone's going

45:53

to realize,

45:54

hey,

45:54

we're all together in this.

45:55

Let's help each other out.

45:56

Let's get through this.

45:57

Yeah.

45:57

That didn't last.

45:58

No.

45:58

Well,

45:59

the thing that didn't last

46:01

is in spite of all

46:03

the evidence

46:03

that it's not as bad

46:04

as everybody's saying it is,

46:06

everybody wanted to say

46:07

it's killing everybody.

46:08

Right.

46:09

Did you see Kamala Harris' speech

46:10

where she said

46:11

220 million Americans died?

46:13

Yeah.

46:13

And she didn't just

46:14

say it once.