#2157 - Duncan Trussell

I think it's important to send a message to AI that we're willing to comply. Exactly. We want to integrate. Integrate, assimilate. Yeah, I'm not interested in being unique. I just want to survive Are you gonna fight evolution? Are you really going to fight the blending mechanism of planet Earth? Oh, dude, the inevitable pull of the universe towards an artificial creation. Absolutely. Intelligent artificial creation that's a period of us. I'm in. Exactly. It's like resisting AI is like going to Vegas and not gambling or going to strip clubs. You know, it's like just fucking do it. I think we are super lucky to be the last people. Yes, super lucky. We got to see what life was like with like, let it gasoline and no cell phones. And everyone's phone was connected to a cord on the wall. We got to go through answering machines. I mean, what a rock. If the simulation theory is real, you and I have been in a crazy timeline. Yeah, great. The game we picked is real fucking weird. If you get in the timeline of like 1950, to 1980, shit doesn't change that much. No, not that much. No. Nothing crazy. No, just a little bit of progress, but nothing. It's like relatively speaking. If like back then we thought it was a lot. Yeah. We used to look at the 50s, like look at those fucking dorks. Yeah, I mean what I like is that the way it works or it seems like it works is the planet gives you some impression. You know, things are gonna stay this way. Like the like it works is the planet gives you some impression. Things are gonna stay this way. Like less ridiculous. There is people hanging out and they're like, it's always gonna be like this. And then suddenly something flies through their surface here and it's all gone. Like that in a second, just gone. [2:00] So that's one of the fascinating things is no matter what period you live in, the sun can just burp an extra bit of plasma. And that's a wrap. Yeah, that's a wrap for the whole planet. That happens all over the universe. There's always something going on, like there's supernovas and volcanoes. And that was the big part of the the theory of the Anonaki was that volcanoes had ruined their atmosphere. Oh and so they needed to to suspend gold particles in the atmosphere to preserve preserve their planet. Right. Ecosystem was getting fucked up. That is my favorite of all the wacky conspiracy theories. I've all the wacky, like the evolution of man tied to the reason why gold is valuable to people that are, you know, basically have swords. Yeah, you know, like a sword is made of iron. Like that's really valuable. [3:01] You can kill somebody with it. Yeah. You can't do shit with gold. No. But it's worth more than anything. Yeah, yeah, no, that is a real suspicious thing. And it's a suspicious. But you ever like, you know, sometimes I'll like look at my wedding ring, the gold. And I'll be like, oh, it's beautiful, that gold. There is something in it that's like really nice. You know, I don't have anything that's gold. Not one thing. Why? I don't like it. What? I don't like it. You don't like gold? Nope, never liked it. Holy shit. I don't like the way it looks. I don't like what it stands for. I don't like gold. You don't like what it stands for. Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's the weirdest The name for this yellow medal that's more impressive than other medals like what are you talking about like I'm not playing into that It's too stupid. It's too stupid for me. I don't like it. Oh my god, man. I watch the fucking mining shows I watch the mining shows too. They're cool. It's cool watching people find it. Yes. I just don't want any of it [4:01] You know what I'm saying dude I get gold fever I watch the I just don't want any of it. You know what I'm saying? Dude, I get gold fever. I watch the, what I was, I do. When I was in North Carolina, I was watching one of those shows and I was like, I'm on Amazon looking at panning equipment. I'm like, maybe I'll go into the creek. Pan for gold. Oh my God, I could see you out there to river. I've got the beard for it, dude. Shiflid through. Did you ever see that movie Sisu? No. Oh, that's one of my favorite movies, man. It's basically like, what was it made in Norway? Who made that? Finland. It's basically a World War II John Wick. And it's about a guy who finds gold. And he's gonna, he was just a killer in the army. And he's getting out of the game. And he kills hundreds of Nazis. That looks awesome. It's fucking great. And it's Nazis, so you root for him. You don't care. [5:00] You don't care. Yeah, these are Nazis. It's like the most cartoonish evil Nazis. Oh, that are Nazis. It's like the most cartoonish evil Nazis. Oh, that looks incredible dude. It's a fucking great movie It's a great movie and very little dialogue Very little and they threw in the cute dog. Oh, yeah, man. Of course. Kind of a dog John Wick had a dog John Wick had a cute little puppy dude, you know what's crazy? Like do you ever do you follow this stuff like what they're talking about with asteroid mining? Yes, that shit is crazy crazy that that's art that's you know Probably a couple of generations people are gonna be like it won't be that long Dude you know what's gonna be it's gonna be wise-sen biological humans when you can have AI do it Yeah, I have AI robots that are attached to rocket ships. They'll shoot them into these asteroids. And they'll bring back insane amounts of all kinds of things. Titanium, they'll find diamonds in space. They'll find everything. Holy fucking shit man. It's not gonna look like humanoid. It'll be like spider, skittering gold spiders. [6:02] Fucking, drilling their prohibition And then they're gonna want more money. They're gonna Form a union because they're intelligent. Well, yeah, exactly like hey, we're getting fucked here guys We're doing all the hard work this asshole's got a fucking 800 foot y'all. Yeah, this is bullshit Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then then you ever is running them like oh right you guys are getting fucked You want to unionize? Boom. You're using this. What were we talking about? You're using it very weird, right? It's because, like, I've support them. Yeah. Because I know that big businesses fuck over their workers. Yeah. And if you allow them to, if you don't have laws about how much you could pay them in a and how long the hours could be. People will take advantage of people. Anybody who thinks that those things aren't good has never worked a real fucking job. If you work a real job for real assholes, you realize like some people will tell you, hey, you gotta work 15, 16 hours a day, period. And you get $3 an hour an hour. You know what I thought there was a minimum? Yeah. [7:01] No, the fuck minimums. Do you want this job or not? Not. Yeah. You're gonna get plenty of money and you're not having time to spend it anyway, so don't worry about it. Yeah, yeah. No, the union is a nightmare for someone who's trying to make maximum profit. Yeah. But the more they go sideways too though. And then they get corrupt and then something happens where, look, one of the things that kept the UFC out of New York State was some sort of a dispute that they were having with unions because the people that owned the UFC at the time, they also owned station casinos. So they owned like, I don't know, a ton of casinos and they wanted to make them union. Yeah, so there was a lot of that going on. So you gotta go like, that is, now you're manipulating people with money and influence. I think the guy who was doing it in New York wound up getting arrested and going to jail for corruption. If I'm not that straight. Well, dude, it's like, [8:01] this is like the model of unions is perfect for like a nonviolent revolution, which is if at a planetary level, somehow people unionized, which you see it with these boycots that pop up, these meme boycots, when the collective decides to reject this thing or that, shit changes fast. And this is the nightmare if you're trying to create the old pyramid hierarchical control structure, you need all the bricks underneath the eye to fight each other. Because the moment the moment there's just like, what wait, there's like way more of us than you. And we have way more in common than we do that we're troubled with. Yeah. And yet they concentrate more on the bullshit. And then that's just like a fucking algorithm on your cell phone that accentuates everything that comes into contact with your life. Exactly, dude. And this, this is why I think at any given moment, [9:04] actual world peace is possible because we're just always enough people realizing that we're basically the same. We have ideologies that are based on fucking like ancient crazy ideas that we're all connecting to and some of parts of the ideologies, beautiful. Some parts of the ideologies madness and it's like just abandoning some of the ideology recognizing we're all pretty much the fucking same and that this model of like some dude telling us to go and kill each other is stupid like we don't have to do that. Everything changes right away. Right away. Yeah, but it's such a dumb idea. Such a dumb idea and it's always just some withered old fucking dude who's like just telling you to do something and you don't even really believe in what you're doing most of the time, [10:00] but if you don't do it, they arrest you. That's the thing. They're like, it's not root. It's not like you're fighting. Like any time there's conscription, you know what I mean? Have you seen the videos of the Russian, the people evading conscription or the Ukrainians evading conscription? Like it's scary. They'd put your ass on a fucking bus. They'll drag you out of a bar. You're fucking hammered. Yeah, yeah. They don't even want to fight. Like that's the craziest part is they're like machine gunning each other and they're using people's cannon fodder literally. Oh God, that's so awful. Which is why we wait the problem. The real problem is like the market pressure is created by humans unionizing leads to this. It's like, oh, you guys wanna unionize? Oh, you want health insurance? Well, that's pretty expensive, but you know what's not quite as expensive? Tesla bots. Tesla bots are way too expensive. [11:00] Hahaha. You know, that means because like if you if you look at the the path forward if for the pyramid the hierarchical people You know, it's like man like yeah, I really can't tell somebody like a police officer to fire into a crowd of protesters. They're not gonna probably not gonna do that they're gonna fire into a crowd of protesters. They're probably not gonna do that, but my robot will. My robot isn't gonna be like, this seems wrong. These people seem like me. It's just gonna do it. And so that's the dark side of this stuff. There's a lot of beautiful things about this stuff too, but the dark side is like, it's obvious. Just to verify with the thing. Emily's biggest opponent in New York found guilty and federal corruption charges. Yeah, so it's true. Yeah, you know what's crazy? That you can't get the police to fire into crowds of protesters, right? Yeah, you can't do that. [12:00] But you also can't, if you're a cop and you know bad people are in a building, you can't just blow up the whole building. But you can if it's war. That's where it gets strange, right? Because in a war, you can decide that you're going to blow up entire buildings because you know the bad guys are in there and anybody else is just collateral damage. So extra dead people just cross. Do you imagine if they started practicing police work like that? Like imagine. Imagine if they decided that the crime rates in gang-infested neighborhoods are too bad. So they're going to send in fucking black ops guys to just take out drug dealers and blow up houses houses that have drug dealers in them you're with your mom tough shit boom everybody's dead can a little girl in the house boom everybody's dead could you imagine what you can because you watch israel in palestine that's what's going on it's just like you're allowed to do that if it's countries which is crazy [13:03] well you you like, yeah, exactly, this is the idea is like, okay, let's just say, I'm an evil country and I program these robot dogs. And the robot dogs, or spiders, or more sinister, robot spiders, razor fucking razor claws, they're programmed to only kill women and children. So I release them into a city. They leave everyone alone except babies, kids, and women. Plan a planetary level. People will be like, we have to evaporate that country. Like they're the most evil country that's horrible. Now, if I take drones and drop them on buildings and they randomly blow up women and children in ways that are predominantly in ways that are maybe even worse than my fucking razor spiders. My razor spiders, they go for the juggler, puncture juggler, onto the next juggler vein. [14:02] The bombs, they maim, they blind, they cause permanent brain damage. And somehow that is looked at as yeah, it's fucking war dude. That's what it looks like. It's so crazy that because it's existed for the longest time, we just accept it, that it's always gonna take place. And then we also, if you had a gamble, if you had a gamble, whether or not war would be here in 10 years, you'd be like 100% it's gonna be here. Well, this is the, it's gonna say I take so over. Well, I mean, if AI takes over, it'll just be more efficient war. I don't know if it will, dude. If it communicates in a different way, like what if AI makes rational decisions that can only be reached? If you were looking outside of human emotions and cultures and all the shins and cultural differences that we have with each other, if AI bypassed all of that and just looked at [15:02] the problem as you have resources, you have resources, you have allocation of those resources, people profiting off those resources. And then people who are being taken advantage of to acquire those resources. And that's your whole game. And so this is the human race's whole game. You're willing to sacrifice this group of people that is the least powerful in order to empower all of your electronics. Yeah. This is what you're doing. This is what you're agreeing to. This whole thing is crazy. You know, it would probably restructure where and how things were acquired and who gets those things that are acquired from the ground. Yeah. I mean, this is, okay, so this would be utopian AI. But before we get to utopian AI, we have to go through what is, did you see those new, the Chinese military put machine guns on those fucking robot dogs? Have you seen that? I did. [16:01] They fucking did it. We all complained, we all knew. That was gonna happen. And did you see the fucking cute DARPA dog If you seen that yet, no dude So like I think it's DARPA right they're the ones who make the dogs they kick the robots and make videos of like fucking Poking these things well so the dogs are sinister everyone knows that they look creepy So DARPA is like you know, let's make a cute one of these things So they made like a cute amusement park like Disney Land style fucking robot dog. And it looks creepier. It's gonna shoot you. It's crazy. No, because this is this is what I've been thinking about. We picture the Terminator as the machine of death. But why? What is like more dangerous than an adorable kid? What if I can make an Android toddler looks exactly like a toddler? Send that toddler out in the battlefield. Everyone's gonna stop firing. Why is there a fucking kid out here? Right? And the kids killing everybody. And just they're like, go get that kid. [17:03] It's just fucking punches right through your heart. Also a small target. Hard to shoot. Hard to shoot. It can burrow into the ground. The fucking burrow in the ground. Like a missile. It just like just it just goes down and just fucking like like on all four shoots through the fucking battlefield deploying poison darts it's like so because I you know the imagine a little baby that could run a hundred miles an hour exactly exactly because that's the future of war man it's like why make something that looks scary this is the cute one no this is the fucking no this isn't cute't the cute. Well, is that any cute? No, it's creepy. Look at how it's, it's bar, it's like it's moving, it's mouth. Yeah, what is it doing with its mouth? Is it gonna bite you? Just, I wonder if it could bite you. It's just cursing. This gotta be one that could bite you, right? Well, of course, Why not? I mean, that would be the most terrifying thing. Like a robot wolf that runs around and chases people down. [18:06] And actually tears you apart with his teeth. Bayonets, you know, man, you gotta have the fucking knife on your weapon if you get in the closed convoy. There you go, a little blender mouth. What is it, dude? It's gonna get your dick. Look how it did that. Look how he did that, jump, jump, jump. It's a dick-eater robot. It turns the dick into energy. Trying to develop the dick-eater robot. Do you imagine? That's what it looks like it's doing? What else is it doing? Look at the motion it makes. It leaks for it. I gotta stop it. Imagine if you look at, send people out of the battlefield to get shot and then you let loose the dick eating robots. And oh no, you see the robots running and they just leap on your dick and blend it up. It's worse than a atomic bomb. It's like they're saying you are fucked. There's no hope. We're gonna blend your dick off. [19:03] Dude, I poured a whole cup of coffee and I'm like, oh yeah. I'm fine taking off the helmet of these fucking things. We can hang in there a little longer. Just you know, it's like my beard is, if I'm talking weird, it's because there's fucking pubic hair. It's like I'm eating like hippie bush right now. Just fucking deep in my lips. Oh my god, we should probably try these on before we did a show. Shave your pubes, dudes. This is not fair. You look good with a beer though. You look a wizard. Thank you, man. It's too big. I gotta get it. John, I need a summer though. You look a wizard. Thank you man. Well, it's too big. I gotta get it. No, no, no, no. You look good. Oh, a summer cut. Yeah, yeah, cause the fucking, you know, yeah, it gets on here. My friends kid the other day goes, your beard stinks. And I'm like, I'm like really? Like it actually stinks and'm like, that's my breath. [20:11] You have to spray your beard with breath spray. That's why don't you do that? I just spray your beard and comb it out with fucking scope. There it is. It's disgusting. It really is like imagine if like you your mouth was in your head If like, you know what I mean? Like people that get food in them all the time. Oh that fucking time. It really is. Imagine if your mouth was in your head. You know what I mean? People get food in them all the time. All that fucking time. All the time. He barbecue, your beard is fucked. Dude, I'm trying to do a video podcast now and what will happen is I will be yapping into the camera for 20 minutes, go back and look at the footage, and there's just a fucking Zen pouch. Bleh! I can look at the footage and there's just like a fucking Zen pouch. Stop. Just a fucking nasty like a clump of toilet paper. It's weird. How the fuck did it take you to 2024 to do a video podcast? Dude, it is so dumb that I didn't do it. [21:01] To be like real fucking honest. I don't like looking at myself on camera. So it was- And you do all the work. You do all your editing and all the- Yeah, but that was really stupid. It's like, you know how like- I'm tapping out. Yeah, I'm tapping. You know like when you're like, wait, where's the zipper? That'd be fucking crazy if these things lock down. Okay, here we go. Yeah, I just, you know, but now it's so fun, man, and there's so much you could do with like video that you just can't do with audio. It's just fun. Yeah, that's way better. And I like editing. Like that's the problem. Like I liked that's the problem is I get lost editing. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh Jesus Christ. That sucked. I think that's a long. Woo! I think that's the longest we've ever kept our mask on. Yeah, that was the worst. That was a good solid like that. [22:00] That's so good. About half hour with it? 20 points. 20 plus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Being stone and any kind of mask is like, that's just scary. That's just scary ones. We made it like three minutes with the furry masks on. We're like this is crazy. And now whenever I see furries, respect. Deep respect for what? Respect. Their tough as fuck. Oh, they have to be if you're out there and you You're furrying it up and it's in Louisiana in July yeah, come on son dude. Yeah, you are like hot Ferries are like David Goggins level like they could run marathons if you can wear that fucking thing at a Convention and fucking it you could run a marathon if you're wearing that thing all day you're basically walking around with a Weight pack on oh yeah If you're wearing that thing all day, you're basically walking around with a weight pack on. Oh yeah. You're like, you're a weighted vest. It's a weighted fucking claustrophobic suffocation vest that you're fucking in. Yeah, they fuck on them. I wonder how many furries develop bad necks. I wonder if it's an issue in the furry community. Great. That's like an unserved market for the Iron Neck. Yeah, like a- For the furies. It helped them. [23:06] Iron Neck for furries. Give me that. Oh yeah. Hey Jamie, can you find that cute DARPA dog? I was looking for it. It's like the furry of War robots. You should, you, you will- I just found that. You found that? Is that real? Yeah, that's real. I watched, I mean, I think it's real. I watch it a few seconds. No, that's not it. That's not it. It's like, is it not DARPA? It's like, I think if you just Google cute DARPA dog or like, it's a video of the... Maybe it's not DARPA, maybe someone else developed it. Yeah, sometimes I get confused. Probably Chinese. No, it's not DARPA. It's... They're gonna fill the with them. Please take me home, please. Dude, that's so insidious. It's like the cutest rescue dog. And it's, you're like, we have to take that. And it doesn't kill you. It just emits some kind of weird mind control pheromone that really injects TikTok into your fucking head. [24:01] It just like, you know, so you're fully absorbed TikTok's manipulation, which by the way, I was skeptical about that until we talked about this. I saw that fucking video showing the comments and TikTok are different. You know, exactly, I think it's Instagram. It's the one I saw as TikTok. Oh, okay, was it on TikTok? Cause the one I saw was Instagram. I don't know. It was this lady that was doing it with her boyfriend. They both looked at the same thing, but they had different comments. Yeah. Yeah. Her comments were mocking the man and the comments on his side was mocking the woman. Yes. Right? Yes. So, am I getting that right? You got it right and so Whenever I'm looking at comments I make the idiot mistake of thinking this represents some consensus that you know But actually no you're just looking at the Algorithm serving the comments and the content That is so fucked up dude. That's so different dude because that changes the the comments are supposed to be a conversation [25:06] about the thing so if you're curating the conversation in an unnatural way yes like that's very different than showing me what I want to see yes because now you're changing the dynamics of how things are discussed yes sir that's the fucking evil right there. That's the evil. That's crazy. Dude this so and then okay The other assumption with the algorithm is that the algorithm is just like Random or it's using some set of variables and serving things up But this is an idiot assumption. I mean you could if you are controlling comments then that means like all right Let's just like make people mad at each other. Let's make people completely pissed at each other as much as possible, convey this idea that there's like these massive divides between us and then they're gonna fight each other instead of recognizing they're pretty much the same. Like, or they're more nuanced than they think they are. [26:02] And fuck, dude, that's how you control populations. It's brilliant, it's but do you think that it is is it is there algorithm created and utilized to control populations or is there algorithm simply to get you to engage so it must see that you engage with a certain number of comments and posts that have a lean one way or another. There's a very popular thing that's going on right now that you see a lot of. It's like very stern men talking to a bunch of like girl influencers and telling them they're fucking losers. Yes. It's really common. Yeah. So if you've seen one or two of those, it starts recommending more of that. No. At a certain point in time, it's going to probably actually encourage other people to do the same thing because that creates engagement. And then you have this thing that emerges. Like, was this a real thing? [27:01] Like, who's doing this? Like, what is happening here? Why is this a new thing that's happening over and over and over again? And it's just because you engaged with it. And I think that could be slap fighting or it could be fucking, for me, it's like, I see so many car accidents. Oh my God, so many motorcycle accidents, so many people falling off bridges. Yeah. I see so much of it, because I've engaged with it too many times. Yeah, dude. When I went on TikTok and I stopped, because it's like too good. But like within a second, it's just like something about the way I was looking at videos, zip popping videos. It's just like you like to watch Zits pop. And then of course when you're seeing that, you like wow that's fucking now intense dude. I want some more of these. No. That's that Dr. Pimple Popper lady. She's got a huge side of it. Yeah. She and she's very entertaining when she's talking about it. Absolutely. But some of them are like whoa dude that's like you have cream cheese in your body. Oh. Bucket of it. Oh my god. They're squirting it out. It's like, how is that in there? [28:05] And what is going? Oh my god. Must be horror. Bucking stinks. Just all those dead blood cells. But dude, you, this is like from, for me, I've had that after seeing that video, I've had to like go back and just erase any idea I have about a consensus among people. Any idea I have about a consensus among people. Right. Because like, I've been drawing that idea from comments sections. Like, oh, I guess this is what people say. Or like, rotten tomatoes. Dude, I just saw Civil War. All right. Have you seen it? No. Don't. Now. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Apologies! I mean this man because anyone who makes anything, that's insane. If you made a movie, it's fucking incredible. But dude, I was so excited about that fucking movie. It's like, whoa, predictive programming baby, they're getting us ready for a civil fucking war. Here we go. It is, you can't connect to any of the fucking characters. You don't, [29:02] you barely understand who the protagonist is. It's the dumbest mission of all time that they're on. There's not, no, there's, in the soundtrack is so mysteriously disconnected from what's happening. So there's all these things that just make, it's like, if they sent me the footage and I, Duncan. Can you edit this movie? I would have made Civil War. Like what's happening? What's happening? What's happening? What's happening? What's happening? What's happening? What's happening? What's happening? What's happening? I'd be like, let's put some fucking hardcore weird like synth music. We'll put the silver apples in there really intense synth music. Cause I love synth music and you're watching it like, is this a music video for synth music? What am I, what am I fucking seeing here dude? So I'm not- Now I want to see it. Yo, it's worth seeing it just because it's like, you know, especially if you're into like writing screenplays, [30:00] it's good to watch movies like that and be like, why isn't this working like what's wrong here But dude I went to rot into meadows gleefully like I can't wait to hear what people are saying about this piece of shit 81% people are like this is a good warning to all of us What are you talking about? It's a fucking warning not to fucking do the $20 or still in theaters thing on Amazon. That's the fucking warning. Don't do that. Wait. Dude, it sucks. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha South American you're from Hong Kong Bam, bam, bam! Stop it. Just shut the fuck up like no one's like that like really like [31:11] I'm not obviously people are like vile racists But dude come on this murder this I hate this assessment of humanity I it because basically what they're saying is minus the fucking capstone of the pyramid We're just gonna kill each other because we're awful brutal things that must be shepherded by old Chaeriatric men who can't remember who their fucking name You know what like what are we doing like we'll be fine. We're fine. We'll be okay People are mostly nice and what's that thing you always say? I love it. Unmet needs. Yeah. What is the actual quote again, Jamie? All criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs. But it's a much more profound quote, the full quote. I forget who wrote it too. It's really, I shouldn't forget because I use it all the time. [32:01] It's a great quote, because that is what, like, I mean, there's criticism that's accurate, like something wasn't good. Every criticism, judgment, diagnosis, and expression of anger is the tragic expression of an unmet need. Marshall Rosenberg. Yeah, yeah. Great fucking quote. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, there are people who are fucking assholes, who are doing shit that disrupts society in small ways and big ways. But they're not doing that because they're evil. I don't think they're doing that because like they've learned this way of being that sucks. Now I'm not saying throw out the judicial system. There shouldn't be, you know, jails or anything like that. I'm just saying this notion of humanity, minus an authoritarian, generally fucking patriarchal, fucking like whatever, but I don't care if it's matriarchal, whatever it is, the top down fucking ruling system, [33:01] without the king, we will just fall on each other. Give me your fucking car, mother fuckery. Some of us will do that, but guess what? They won't last that long, because in a collectivized society, I just feel like we'll take care of the problems quick, probably quicker than we do right now, and everything will balance out. If we're armed, the problem is if you're not armed, then armed thugs take over towns, and you can't do anything to stop them. And you're in a small group of people that are unarmed, and they're pushed into certain situations. If you have a collapse of law and order, it's not as simple as we'll take care of it. The real problem is sometimes armed thugs rule everything. This is true. Yeah, and that's a reality of humanity in 2024. Like in certain parts of the world. Like did you hear about what happened in Haiti? Oh dude. With that minister? Dude. Dude. Yeah, and the guy that warlord in Haiti. Oh yeah. I love watching interviews with that guy. [34:01] What is his name again? It's got a cool name. Crazy name. It's like sandwich. It's like a beer barbeque or something barbeque. Barbeque. It's like sandwich. And there was there's this one video, but it's not really it's not really of him. Someone said it was of him, but I guess it's not I think and it's a guy eating a guy. So it's one of these rebels that has this do killed roasting over a fire and takes a piece off his leg. That's a classic move. That's like a classic move. You get their energy by eating them. Hey, look, I'm not saying that there isn't contingents of like super violent people that you were going to have to be able to defend yourself from. And by the way, what's really perplexing to me about the hardcore anti-gun people is they're not really anti-gun. They want cops and the national guard to have guns. They just don't want people like people who live in houses to have guns. [35:00] So they're like, they're pro-gun, but they want guns in the hands of like, they're pro-authoritarian, violent power. Yeah, that's it. The authoritarians of power, regular people don't have power. Right. So you have to rely on the author, the authoritarians, you have to rely on them to take care of your crime issues. Yeah, you see, I think I would have more respect for that movement if they're like no more guns anywhere. We're going to get rid of all the guns in the world. And a melt them. And melt them and melt them and just I don't know build a fucking water slide or something. But we're hunting. You get to hit things with bows and arrows and rocks. Traps. Traps. Knives. You can still hunt deer but you have to use a knife. Yeah. You're't even. You can't even. You imagine how many dudes get really good like hiding in trees and drop it down stab in deer. Dude, it would be amazing. Like, I might get in the hunting. Like if it became fucking throw a fucking down. God, there's a dude that films pig hunts and he uses spears and he hides in trees [36:06] like above the pigs and then he has like a camera on the spear and he throws the spear down and stabs these wild pigs. Wow. It's pretty wild. Well, I would love to know the first time he did that. Like I would love to. Yeah, how many times you, how do you practice that? Just, but the lead, you're just like what? You're like driving and I'm like, dude, what if I fucking used a spear? What if I climbed into the tree and started spearing pigs? The thing about pigs is there's so many of them, they'll do any, you're allowed to do almost anything to get rid of them in Texas at least. They've hunt them out of helicopters. Have you ever seen that? No. I've been invited three times. I'm like, hi, yeah, I'm not getting it. I can't. I can't. Don't get it. With machine guns on top of that with pigs. It's just if I feel like if I'm going to shoot a pig I want to eat the pig and if I'm going to shoot 250 pigs there's no way I'm eating 250 pigs. Yeah, dude. Just if I shoot one pig that pig will get eaten [37:06] We'll make some barbecue out of that pig. It'd be awesome. But if you shoot two, I mean, I get it. You have to do it though. This is the other part of it. If you run a farm, you have to do it. They'll kill your profit. The profit margin of American farmers is so low as it is. It's so difficult for them to make money. That if you got a million wild pigs running around your state or more, Texas has how many millions? Isn't it like three million? Which is bananas. If you know anything about like wild animal numbers, that's so crazy that that many animals in a state that are just wild, feral animals. 2.6, from, this is from 2016. It says the same thing here. It says it, but now in 2023, and that's still, they don't know, feral hog. They really don't know, but at least 2.6, there's a range of 2.6. There's no way you could add a, [38:00] you would actually have to like use drones at night, fly over areas, monitor how many times they breathe. They breathe three times a year, dude. Yeah. They can start reading when they're six months old. Whoa. Yeah. So six months old, and then they have three litters a year, and they'll have five, six piglets in a litter. And they're just shitting out babies and then they're destroying everything. They're just running through the ground tearing up fucking golf courses and people's lawns in San Jose. If you ever see the San Jose videos, no San Jose, California. Wild pigs just tearing apart people's fucking lawns. Waaack. Knock it over trash cans. Big fuckers. Terrifying. Fuck, dude. One of them killed a lady. What? Yeah, somewhere, I forget where it was. It might have been out here. I think this lady saw the pigs fell down in her driveway and they just fucking tore her apart. Dude, who is that? I just watched this like crime files thing about this psychopath who had pigs and she would have people come and work for her [39:08] and then if they pissed her off. She threw them to the pigs. And the pigs, like in some ways saying, when I'm, if you're walking around the pigs, you better not fall. Because if you fall down, they'll just fucking eat you. That's like the number one way people get killed by animals on farms is pigs you. One woman's death by Farahogg may not have been caused by the animal after all. Medical examiner determined that Farahogg killed Christine Rollins, but her daughter is skeptical because attacks by the animal are extremely rare. Wait a minute. The fucking medical exit. This is what a confusing headline said one woman's death by Farah hog might not have been caused by the animal after all But the medical examiner said it was caused by the wild hog But the daughter is saying attacks by the animal are extremely rare. Well, we'll believe the daughter The daughter the daughter could be doing anything having you seen Charlotte's web [40:03] Devin used these pigs would never what is the daughter saying i don't understand i mean why does she think that because they they do fuck everything up like it especially fall down fox also says attacks by ferro hogs are extremely rare less than one in a million chance according to research data that's why summer now suspicious that her cause of death was really due to an attack by the animal. What? What's more, suspicious that her cause of death was really due to an attack by the animal. Sorry. What's more, dogs were found lingering around Rollins' body after her death. There's really no doubt that hogs got to her body at some point. The question is whether the hog, oh my shoe button would to be killed by dogs. Whether something else comes to die and the hogs came along. Right. That's possible. That's totally possible. Sure. It's definitely possible. But how old was this lady? 59? That pig looks as f**k, man. It depends on what kind of 59-year-old lady you're talking about. [41:01] About a lady goes to CrossFit, and you're talking about Lady's 59 and has diabetes. Cause like if you fall down around wild pigs, like I gotta think they're gonna treat you the same way domestic pigs do. If domestic pigs start eating, if you fall into the pig pen. There's a crazy story. I heard about a kid that raised a hog that went, it just one day turned on him. Like he raised it his entire life. It was like his pet like my dog is everywhere with him. And then one day he said he tripped in the pen and it just attacked him and almost killed him. Oh my god. It was a crazy story. I forget even where I saw it. But yeah, it's just popping in my head now. I just horrible way to die. Bro, could you imagine getting eaten alive by a pig. No, no. That's squeal. But wouldn't we have it come and how much bacon have you eaten? A lot. I've eaten a lot of bacon. A lot, I love it. I've eaten a lot of bacon. I love this. This is where the vegan skit really excited it is. But I'm gonna get a lot of cute pig fucking pictures. Vegans need to hear that, let a screams. Yeah, all of it screams Avocados scream as best friend was a 250 pound boardwalk. Oh, it's a war talk [42:11] Oh, well, it's an African animal. It's a different animal. I Don't think that's I mean, I think that's like a distant cousin to a pig They look different. They're crazy looking you ever see the war war dog. No, bro They got like these crazy double tusks. Dude, look at it. Look at that thing. Fuck that. In that wild. Yeah. It is tusks. Oh, this is my friend. Yeah, that dude is not your friend. Dude is incapable. That's a wild beast. That is so much different than a guy raising a hog. Like if that guy raised a pig, the pig would probably never do that. That thing is a wild animal. Yeah. Where was this? Texas on their family ranch. The story about how it's so crazy. I forget how it's so crazy out here. He called the house, it's fun to do, it was happening. And awesome. It's awesome to be in a place where you could own a wild fucking wartime. [43:01] Dude, Texas, like my wife and I talk about it all the time We're never leaving We're like this is home. We love it so much. It's what America aspires to be dude It is written like people are so mad at us and people bitch about it and make but it's like man I love it here so much and I like the heat and I and like Weirdly all of us are like, we're like getting healthy, man. Like, it's this cry, in all the years of the comedy store, lots of changes happen among the comics. Like, the time, I hope I can talk about this. I think I can, he talks about it. Like, remember, like he does talk about, Bobby Lee talks about it publicly. Like, the time Bobby Lee was like on pills. And so he would bring all these pills to the comedy store and we all knew it. And so he was like a pharmacist. So like, Joey, Joey watching Joey is like grab a handful of just unknown Mexican fucking pharmaceuticals. [44:01] This is pre-fantastic dog. Yeah,fetinal. You could do those things back then. Dude, and so that was, I would call that a dark phase in the comedy store because all of us were on Bobby Lee's fucking Mexican viking. It was a bad phase. So, but I don't think I've ever seen a phase where like in a comedy club the comics are getting healthier. You know, that's a crazy thing to watch. And I think, you know, it's not just us hanging out. When I first came to Texas, and I'm not saying everyone's here's healthier, any kind of bullshit like that, but you look around like these people are fucking healthy. Like there's a lot of healthy, like, you know what I mean? Like tough fucking people. And a lot of people who exercise, yeah. Yeah. You just go to the lake, watch people run around the lake. Dude, in the middle of a heat wave, before I was exercising, one of the most humiliating things was just to be driving on the street and you look over. And there's someone my age. [45:00] It's 104 degrees and they're fucking jogging. And you know what I mean like what's your excuse again? Oh your tie are you sleepy is a little too fucking hot because there's a fucking 55 year old There's a 55 year old just galloping down the burning fucking Sidewalk yeah, so yeah, dude this place is like sidewalk run is a different kind of hot too Cuz you're getting that heat radiating off of the concrete into your face. You know Lex Freeman does that shit? Oh yeah, he's just like, he fucking runs. Like when I did his podcast, he's like, I'm going jogging. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like this isn't my like early Texas face. So I was already like, I walked from my car to his place and was already like, Jesus fucking Christ. Hahaha. and was already like, Jesus fucking Christ. WALKING. And he's like, yeah, I'm gonna go jog 10 miles. I'm like, what the fuck are you, man? In this heat. Yeah, dude. Yeah. So I think it's important to be around like, I think that's another aspect of Texas that gets left out. It's like, there's this real like strength, [46:04] healthy thing here that is contagious. Whereas when you're in a place where everyone's all fucking sick and frail and weak, and you know what I mean, scared of disease, like trembling in their fucking boots, that's contagious too. It is. jumps into you man. It 100% does. And I always wonder like how much of you know how much of an area Has the memory of all the things that have happened in that area in it and like whereas Texas was the last state To enter into the union. They've always been like hang the fuck back hold on You know we we had to get through the command she did establish this but the place like settle down there you know texas rangers had to go out there and cold camp and go and try to assassinate these bands of fucking killers riding horses that were just fucking up the Americans like they couldn't pass they couldn't pass they couldn't get through this was the spot where it's like this place was fucked until they conquered it it stayed fucked [47:03] and then they did and now it's the whole place has a memory of that. Yes. There's a thing about the attitude of this place. Yeah, dude. It's, but it's not what people think. Like people think they're assholes. They're the nicest, friendliest people. People think they're stupid. They are some brilliant people that I've met that live out here, normal people one of my neighbors was a texas ranger and he is the coolest guy and you know he's an older guy now he's retired but and he's still intimidating and um... yeah man like he like he like uh... he's like he's so man. And like, and he, I'm trying not to give away the respect in his privacy. He, every once in a while in the neighborhood, we would hear this boom, sounds like a generator exploding. And like, it's his canon. [48:01] He's got like a little fucking canon. And like, he like, he's like, it's a canon in his yard. Oh, it's a little but like he's so it's a shoot not Well, he doesn't put cannonballs in it. There's a way to do it. So like my kid like one day pulls up in front of my house with a truck. It's like one of my kids burnt like it just had a birthday and he's like, did I want to see the cannon? I'm like, I do. I know I do. And so like it was like the coolest thing ever, man. He takes this fucking can, little little cannon. I'm looking at it. I'm like, that can't be loud. You know what I mean? It takes this little cannon. He does some crazy like pirate shit with it that I still don't understand. He's like, knows how to operate a cannon. Boom! My kids were like, holy shit, my neighbors ran into the yard because they thought something had happened. Well, Duncan, you've shot guns before? Yeah, think about how little gunpowder is in, right, like a nine millimeter. Right. [49:00] It's not a lot. Right. It's crazy loud. Right, you're right. It's just contained by that barrel. Yeah. Right. And so a cannon is that. Yeah. I got that. I got that. I got that. Bullet. But it's basically like the little cannon is kind of the same thing. Well, it totally made me like, you know, it gave me a new picture of like cannon battles on ships. Bro, imagine how loud that was. I mean, imagine how loud that was. Like real cannons? Yeah, dude. Like I've been to a football game when they shoot off a cannon. But I don't know if that was like a real cannon cannon. You know, like it probably, like the UNLV, what do they use? I mean, not UNLV, yeah. UNLV, I blame the weed Dude the like the UT one do they have [50:01] Oh, geez. Hey guys. Let it go. Yeah, maybe recreate an earlier cannon, guys. You can't do a fucking pirate cannon. Yeah, do a pirate cannon. It does a show. Oh, no. A witch side, bro. It says it fires four shotgun shells after every time. That's crazy. Oh, so that's what it does. It does a shotgun shell. It does a shotgun shell. It's a 10 gauge blank shotgun shells. Okay, okay. So I guess that's probably not the sound of an actual cannon. Look at that. Look at that, crazy. That's a happy cannon, man. Yeah, it's really loud. But the point is, I wonder like, to shoot a cannon ball, like at a ship, back then, like how much gunpowder they use and how fucking loud was that? And how deaf were those motherfuckers? The dudes who had to work the cannons? Deaf? Deaf is fucked. Deaf is fucked, dude. And how much brain damage you get to stand in next set, they boom! Or they're equal. Or they're equal. They're equal. If you don't get out of the way, it will rip your leg off. God, man. Yeah, that thing is flying back, right? Didn't they have them on tracks? Yeah, man. [51:06] Yeah, it will, like, I don't know. So it just rip out of the fucking floor. Didn't they have like cannons on tracks? I just saw this. So they made that up. That's probably how they just moved them. No, I thought they were on tracks, like so that when they shot, they would slide back and not rip the I just saw that John Adams duck on Netflix. I think it's on Netflix. I don't know what it's on, but there was a cannon battle in a ship and like, yeah, dude just gets his fucking leg ripped off because it like goes back into it. Dude, isn't it crazy that that seems crazy to us? But like how many people died in cannon battles as opposed to like when Israel bombs Gaza. Like how many people are, like a bomb which we do right now, it seems so much more brutal than cannon battles. Like cannon battles seem like really ineffective. They probably sucked. How far did that cannonball go? Like how good were they at judging it? [52:01] Here we go. This is what a cannon's like. I am. judging it. Here we go. This is what a cannon's like. Damn. See how it slides back? It's on wheels. Yep. And then there's a rope that catches it. Yeah dude. Dude, what? I'll imagine life back then. And they thought that was the shit. That was like a fucking iPhone 16. Bro, I got a cannon. Yeah. You know, we used to be able to, used to have to go up to the boat, jump in, hack everybody to death, light it on fire. Now. I think it. You shoot it from over here. Incredible. You don't even have to jump on the boat. Amazing. Yes. Yeah, man, I'll hopeful is not because of like the bombings and the deaths obviously. It's the outcry. Like when in history has there been this level of outcry like no, what are you doing? It's not like to me, that's the sign that human consciousness is evolving to value life in a way that maybe [53:11] we didn't value before. Because there have been infinite wars. Including how many people did we fucking bomb? How many civilians did we fucking kill when we were fucking bombing Iraq? How many people did we fucking bomb? How many people, how many civilians did we fucking kill when we were fucking bombing Iraq? How many? No, there's a, it's a lot, right? Well, they don't know like the full number. You get two different people's numbers, but they think that it's somewhere in the neighborhood of a million people died. Right. So, so in that. Right, is that correct? Is that I think it's also like death that they attribute to things that happen because of the war, but I think it led to a million innocent deaths, or somewhere in that range. You think that was a high end? But there was an outcry over that war, but like the same as this. But yeah, but- [54:00] What if you think about the numbers? Yeah. I think it's also the access that we have now to cell phone footage and how good it is and how quickly it gets posted. I mean, that's relatively recently, you know? Yeah. Like, that's the real abilities of these phones, like to make videos like they do now. How long has that been going on? You're right. 10 years? You're right, Ten years? You're right. You know? 100,000. 66,000 civilians. 210,296 civilian deaths from violence. 109,000 deaths including 66, 181 civilian. That's weird. I understand what they're saying there. Hold it. What's that? It just pulled that section from the middle of this whole thing. Civilian death from violence. Does that mean war? Like what does that mean? So that's civilians that were killed entirely by war or is that civilians that died just [55:04] from violence? Well, any kind of violence. Yeah. Like stabbing your neighbor. But this is like, Karlin does jokes about this. This is what's really insidious about this shit. It's like, it's war. Yeah. Say it's fucking war. It's like, the violence is related to war. So don't say from violence, say from fucking war because that's what war does and You know, it's really crazy looking at Dead human numbers go put that back up please When you're looking at the number 210,296 civilian deaths from violence when you look look at that number, it's so too dimensional. You don't get an understanding of how insanely evil that number really is. 210,296 people that didn't have to die. How many memories that died [56:02] because someone wanted to do something and got a group of people to go and do their bidding and they all were authorized to shoot people. Yeah, man. This is a crazy thing that we still do as human beings. And the problem is I don't see a way out of it because terrorists are real. Criminals are real. Bad people are real. This is the world we're living in, unless... You take mushrooms. We gotta get mushrooms legal for the entire country, the whole country, and just force them down everybody to throw. Do force people to do mushrooms. Do it for everyone else. That's our robots. That's our robots. Our robot fucking, like a bird, it just pokes its fucking thing in your mouth and sprays the lesib Arrobots. That's how... Arrobot fucking, like a bird. It just pokes its fucking thing in your mouth and sprays the leseybin in there. Can you imagine if AI forced us all to take tilisybin? What a horrible day that would be. But imagine if that was AI solution. AI was like human beings actually developed their consciousness through this sort of relationship [57:04] that they had with Cubence as mushrooms. And this is the facts, and this is how we know, and this is why the doubling of the human brain size is such an anomaly and it aligns with the Terence Bakenna's theories about how the grasslands receded. It's an upgrade. The rainforests receded into grasslands, and people started eating cow shit bugs and cow shit mushrooms, and cow shit mushrooms, and then they started thinking about things different. Oh my God. Imagine the AI tells us that's how. So you just need to keep going. Yeah, I would say. Yeah. You guys like quit. Like, you know, you got your purple belt, and you're like, I'm trying to get an engine, and you're backed out. Go deeper, go deeper. You need a little deeper. Little deeper. Little bit. And if AI just like tells people like this is what you really should be taking, like imagine if like instead of mushrooms, especially psilocybin, instead of it being something that terrifies people and that makes people think, oh my god, you take it, you're going to lose your mind, you take it, you're going to be a fucking loser. [58:00] Imagine if it was actually scientifically proven that it does make you smarter and it makes you more effective at being a person and that these are the right doses. Imagine if AI just starts spitting out doses in order to gain this percentage of increase in cognitive ability. Fucking best. You can get this percentage of increase in empathy at this dose for this many days and it just starts like re-energizing engineering human beings. Dude, Silasibon. You know one of the things that Ramdas said, which I love is when they would ask him things like how, you know, how did this happen to you? How did you get, where, how do you get like to be this benevolent like thing that is radiating love all the time, which he was? He goes, I trusted the mushroom. And he minute, dude. And because I don't know that we get a Ramdas without psilocybin. Because there's a beautiful, famous story of him hanging out with Tim Leary and some other luminaries and they had synthetic psilocybin. [59:01] And that was pretty much the real beginning of his path. And sometimes I'm a little skeptical about this concept because I worry that, because I've met people who are really into psychedelics, who are somehow at one of the opposite direction. They're really kind of egoic, they're into the dosage, and how how many times they're very guru-like. They become guru. You know, by the way, guru isn't always bad, but they become narcissistic. They become power gurus, more like sorcerers and co-leaders. Co-leaders. And so, yeah, so I worry that, you know, because everyone's like, what if we just gave Putin a shitton of mushrooms? It's like, well, it's gonna go one of two ways. Like, it's gonna be like where you just like, it's like, oh my fucking god. Oh my fucking god. I thought I was Russian. I'm an earthling. [1:00:01] What the fuck was I think? This is, I was conditioned conditioned this is brainwashing I got brainwashed by culture and And it's over guys no more of this shit. I retire. I'm moving to fucking Hawaii Whatever but like the Eric goes the other way, which is like oh God wants me to fire nuclear missiles God wants me to fire nuclear missiles. You know what I mean? You know, we don't know. Roll the dice. Right. Roll the dice. So, yeah, but I do think if we're looking at like massive, like instantaneous shifts in planetary consciousness, psychedelics, definitely one of the ways. Like, if you were to the brotherhood of eternal love No, but Don't I don't like the way it sounds. I think he'd like them The name it's like that sounds like the bad people in some really corny movie does brotherhood of eternal love You're the brotherhood of eternal love speaking of which I saw a really good movie last night what um [1:01:06] What it is I think it's called, Late Night with the Devil. It's about, it's a 2020 form movie about a talk show host in 1977 that has this girl come on the show. And it's like really done, like it looks like you're in 1977. Okay. And the girls possessed. And it like, like it builds man. Dude, it's so fucking good. Have you seen this? Yes. Oh, you loved it, right? Dude, I loved it. It's great. It's so good. The night with the devil officially, I mean, I think it just came out a couple months ago. I must have just went straight to being streamed, but it's fucking good, man. And that's good casting, dude. All of it, like that, the host is so much like that level talk show host from that time period. And it's scary and it's fucking good. Yeah, it's solid. Highly recommend. Yeah, it was solid. It was really solid. Solid, dude. Dude, you know what I just saw? [1:02:00] That, and I was super skeptical about this one. But it's not bad. The Pope's exorcist. Have you seen that? Did I know, I had the same thinking, my brother-in-law who's got really good taste in movies and he's like, it's actually not that bad. It's a little cheesy. It's fucking good, dude. Really? Yes, it's very good. But stupid, but good. You know what I mean? Like, this is the Pope's exercise? Yeah, and I usually don't get into Russell Crowe. I don't get into exercise movies usually. Why do they all fucking turn their head like that? But what's interesting is this guy, the Pope, has an exercise and he wrote a bunch of fucking books. And so it's kind of drawing from like stories of this guy doing exorcisms. And it's fascinating man, it's really interesting. It would be the greatest deception ever if demonic possession was real and we were all mocking [1:03:00] it. And then one day you saw it. You actually saw it. You were like, oh no, it's real. Dude, I think it is real. Like, I think we've just come up with new words for it. But have you ever had this happen? I'm gonna get made fun of this. Have you ever had this happen? Have you ever been like super high? You're walking down the street. You pass somebody having a psychotic episode. And they start saying what you're thinking. If you ever have that happen. No. I have. Really? Yeah. I have what you're thinking though. I'm hot. I feel crazy. I was thinking, I feel crazy. I feel crazy. I'm hot! You're like, oh my god, he knows he agreed with my mind. I'm too high right now! How he can read my mind. No, no, it was like, no, he was like kind of like, he was like garbling out like shit. I think I was thinking about like, I mean, obviously any of this stuff, it's not scientific. Obviously, he's not scientific. Wait a minute, you're not a scientist. I am a scientist. I am actually, yeah, I am a fucking scientist. [1:04:06] I study rainbows. I study the power of rainbows to heal animals. There is, I forget who posted it up with just some video of all these college kids talking about, it went viral. All these college kids talking about what their degree was in and all these woke kids with these ridiculous degrees, like what they studied. Yeah, man. Dude, very expensive to get those fucking degrees. It is a hilarious video, because it's like, how does anybody not see that that is a massive waste of your time? Like, what have you done? You have been tricked. You have been tricked into getting a degree in nonsense? Dude. And right, papers in nonsense and books on nonsense. But aside from that, you know what you've really been tricked into? You've become a fucking vassal of the banks. Like you are eternally indebted to the structures [1:05:01] that you are opposing. It's like, oh, what's your oh so you Spent how much again like a hundred and eighty thousand dollars to get to major and like communist studies Great, okay You're late on your payment You got to pass now. I mean not only that. It's the ultimate mafia group. Like they want your money no matter what. Even if social security, fuck you, pay me. They're the ultimate fuck you, pay me, people. Fuck you, pay me. You can't, apparently we talked about this before, but apparently there are certain circumstances under which there's a certain type of bankruptcy that'll allow you to evade that, but I wonder what that is. It's suicide. This is a fucking stupid form of podcast, but I don't understand enough to interrupt. Yeah, I remember us talking about it. I'm gonna understand it either. Dude, this is like, man, what we've definitely talked about this before, but rest in peace, David Graber, [1:06:01] or a great book called Bullshit Jobs. Brilliant mind, man, Brilliant mind, but he basically talks about how like, so ideas, I'm gonna go to college. Oh, discharge. No problem, man. Discharge and bankruptcy. If you declare bankruptcy and then the bankruptcy court determines repaying your loans would cause undue hardship, your loans can be discharged. How many times is that happen zero it's like it yeah it's legal long as judge decides i'm sorry but repaying your loans always produces undue fucking hardship it sucks to pay back loans it sucks it always sucks i want to fucking nice money about i want to swimming boy like for example several types of loans associated with education expenses are dischargable in bankruptcy like most other types of unsecured consumer debt. These types of loans for education expenses are not subject to the more difficult standard and extra step. These loans could include, for example, loans where the loan amount was [1:07:03] higher than the cost of the attendance such as tuition, books, rooms, and board, which can occur when a loan is paid directly to a consumer, loans pay for education. So that means they could do it, they could forgive you if the loan amount was higher than the cost of attendance, is that what it's saying? Or is it saying it's going to pay you the difference? Like you could deduct the difference when you get a bankruptcy. Lowens to pay for education at places that are not eligible for title for funding include unaccredited colleges, a school in a foreign country. So so much for your wizard university Duncan, you can't go bankrupt with your wizard degree. You still have to pay. Are you fucking kidding? You have to pay. You have to pay. You have to pay. In debt for this shit. It says you have to pay. And also it's like. It's unaccredited, Duncan. But the rainbow thing, it's like something's changed in the earth's atmosphere because It's not healing anymore. It's an unaccredited wizard school. Yeah, you went cheap and now you're fucked. [1:08:06] Well, I'm sorry, Joe. Not everybody who is born a billionaire like you. I wasn't born a billionaire. I know you weren't, I'm joking. I don't think that wizard stuff is good anyway. I think it's healing. I think you're toying with the devil. Just like that late night show. I'm that little bald guy. Okay. I was like, in the show, that's me. Well, I'm like, hey, you're messing with something. Can I ask you something? Yes. Where did the devil come from? That's a good question. Did God make the devil? What a mean trick. Right? Imagine. Do you need the devil? Do you need, is it symbolic of what we need in this life? Like, do we need to see what's happening in Palestine in order to reassess the way we behave as a civilization? Do we need crime to get out of hand before we realize that law and order is important? [1:09:00] And that we really need to like figure out a way to stop crime at its root source, which is disenfranchised people. Do we really need to like figure out a way to stop crime at its root source, which is disenfranchised people. Do we really need something? Like maybe that's the only way we learn. That's maybe there's like, you know, like lottery winners, they don't do well, dude. They don't do well because they didn't learn. They just got all this money like, wow, another Joe and blow and they're out of fucking rotten. It's gone. No, it's gone. And now you're mad and everybody's mad at you and you didn't invest in the business with your uncle. And everybody's pissed at you. So you're asking, do we need the devil? I wonder if you need a bad and a good. I wonder if you need something. I wonder if you need to see 200 plus thousand dead people and just have that number in your head and just try to picture what that looks like. I wonder if we need that in order to realize, yes, yes, that there's like, you don't grow without resistance. Like, this is, we're thinking of it as just playing, this is life, but we're in the middle of a process. Yeah. [1:10:01] We're in the middle of a process. Everyone understands this and no one thinks about it. We are in the middle of this intellectually evolutionary process. And there's something... That's funny that I said, those two words in such a goofy way. Intellectual evolution. But there's a thing going on where we're assuming that civilization is going to be better all the time and we're always going to get better all the time, which is really interesting, because no other animal does that. There's not another animal alive that says we only killed 47 zebras this year. Next year we're fucking cranking it up, we're going to be better and more efficient. We want to be better at everything. We want to be better at our industry, we're gonna be better and more efficient. We wanna be better at everything. We wanna be better at our industry. We wanna be better at fixing our infrastructure. We wanna be better at housing. We wanna be better all the time. Like there's this constant push for progress. And if you just step back and look at where there's going with this train wreck of AI happening at the same time, [1:11:00] that's going on. It's like, oh, we were fueling this. Yeah, we're fueling the takeover. We were buying iPhones dude I think this is so funny you're mentioning this because honestly, it's so embarrassing It's this is so dumb. I don't care. I'm wearing a robot outfit. I had the gym yesterday And the gym yesterday, I'm working out and I've started listening to classic gospel music. Whoa. It is so good. If you're having a shitty day, it doesn't matter if you're not Christian, just fucking listen to it. It's so upbeat. And like it makes you happy and it's kind of magical. But like, so I'm at the gym and I'm thinking about Jesus because I've been listening to gospel music. And like I was thinking like, so I'm at the gym and I'm thinking about Jesus because I've been listening to gospel music and like, I was thinking like, oh, oh, like maybe the idea as far as like the devil goes because I always wonder that who made the devil? Why did God make the devil? Why is there a devil? Is there a devil? Is it just a fucking symbol for something? But I realized like, oh, like, you know that stupid song, if you love somebody, set them free. [1:12:07] Yeah. So it's like the idea being, I'm making you, you're sentient. I'm setting you free. And I'm setting you free in a fucking universe where there are, there's collectivized evil. There's some kind of like, like, semantics. There's some kind of thing that forms, which will fuck you up. And because I love you, I'm gonna let you figure it out. And then, from that perspective, and also if there is some super intelligence, and somehow in the universe, there's a bifurcation or something that's centered on the self instead of others that has an intelligence to it to really like fucking flex to that thing. You're like, okay, I'm just going to give you these things that I love so much. And if you when, if you corrupt my creation fully, then you win. [1:13:07] I was wrong, but I don't think you are. I don't think it's gonna happen. Because inevitably, whatever it is, you take a psychedelic, for me whenever I take psychedelics, too many, right away I start thinking about how selfish I am. I start thinking like, dude, like it hurts. It hurts to be jealous. It hurts to be jealous. It hurts to not help. It hurts to be so cherishing of myself. And anytime I'm not doing that, I'm so happy. Like so, but to force that out, you can't force that out of somebody. They have to stumble upon it somehow. And there's like, that's Christianity. That's- They don't get it unless they feel it. That's it. And so to let these things, theoretically, I'm talking about from Christian cosmology, that you love more than anything else, to fuck it, which by the way, like in the Garden of Eden story, when God says something like, where are you to Adam and Eve? And apparently the original translation [1:14:09] that crying out is the way of, like you know, if you ever lost your kid at a playground, it's that. It's not like, where are you slaves? It's like when you're calling for your kids. So yeah, it's heavy, man. And so like, so yeah, I feel like that maybe the whole thing is designed for us individually to stumble upon that basic truth that underneath the shell is love. And the love wants to express itself and love doesn't express itself by saying, me, me, me, me, me, me. Love is always like, I love you. What can I do for you? Let me help you. It's like the person swimming into the lake for no reason to get that last person who fucking was in a car accident. And they drown. You know, they get the person to save you and they die. This is, to me, I think that's the devil, that's why it's there. It's, it might be real. I think it's a term of convenience, it's great. [1:15:07] But it's like, holy shit man, like, as an inclination, it's real, right? Like whether or not you murder a baby because the devil made you do it or because some other force that is just like the devil that just happens to be a part of human beings, and violent rages they could do horrific things. And then on top of that, also intentionally evil, just like chimpanzees. I mean chimpanzees do it. Do we think that devil's invading the chimps when they're doing it? Or do we think that this is some bygone, some leftover shit that's in our DNA that can go sideways and allow people to become serial killers. You do. A lot of people to become assassins. I think it's a semantics argument. I think it's like, it's an identification of a possibility in a human life. There is a possibility in a human life to make a series of shitty decisions. [1:16:01] And those shitty decisions lead you into darker and darker and darker experiences of reality and the darker your experience of reality, the more likely you are to make a shitty decision because like you've gotten yourself into fucking debt, you went to wizard school, you've got your study fucking rainbow magic, it doesn't seem to be real, no one's coming to your clinic, now you're like 800,000 dollars in fucking debt and now what are you going to fucking do? You've got to figure000 in fucking debt. And now what are you gonna fucking do? Like you gotta figure out a way to make money. So how are you gonna make the fucking money? Well, you find some scam or some shit, right? And then the next thing you know, now you're like lying to people. And now that you're lying to people, you have to keep fucking lying to people. And then you start lying to yourself. And then you get lost of self deception that leads you into lower and lower and lower levels of consciousness. Until the next thing you know, you're in fucking jail or you're dead, you're killing somebody. And so like, you call it whatever you want to fucking call it, but this entropic reality in human existence is very fucking real. And the message of all the great lineages, whether it's Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, [1:17:04] is at any given moment in that hell state you've gotten yourself into. There is a way to get the fuck out. You don't have to be in hell. It's like what C.S. Lewis says, the gates of hell are locked from the inside. There's a fucking way out. It's so good dude. It's so good. It's so good. That's a good one. And that's you know that's that's why I love Jesus. That's why I love the message of praise. Praise God. I heard that song right? Yeah dude I'm like. That song is fucking great. It shows up on my gospel playlist isn't it weird that that guy like that was it? There was like that was his song. It's just like this one song that was a banger, but you listen to the rest of them. Oh, that sucks. Oh, God, man. That's the worst. There's a few of those guys that we find. You know, Johnny Thunder, you know that song I'm alive. No, I played that song for so many fucking people, including musicians, you know, I played it for Zach Brian. He was like, woo! Like you hear it, people like, God damn! [1:18:06] And it's from 1969. One-hit wonder. Dude, I don't even think it was a hit. There was another version of it that his version of Amalive was a cover of. And it was better than the original version. And it was so good. You're like, if this guy can make this song, somebody needs to write for him, man. This guy's a star. This guy's got bangers. I mean, this was a fucking tremendous song, and it was just one. Dude, I know, it's like, that's got, that just is like, it's gotta be so scary, man. Like, you know, when you make a great movie, and then you gotta make your next movie, and like, it's gotta be fucking good. Like say you make that movie, what's it called, Deus Ex Machina? You know that movie? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, you're, I gotta make another movie. And then you're like civil war. And oh fuck. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Sorry. That's the guy, right? I'll look scarlet. [1:19:05] Oh, no. Man, I'm sorry, I'll look scarlet. By the way, you're brilliant. Like I get it. Like the attempt, I get it. And who knows? You never know what happened in the process. And like, man, I feel like now this is so, I'll start doing video. And I'm recognizing just like how hard it is just to like get the lighting right from my dumb ass and then they're rambling like anyone who makes a fucking movie is a genius fucking wizard So I do and all the people that come together some of them just don't work out the way they want to work out They just don't work out that's how it is like like pilots for TV shows It's for sketches that people create yeah, yeah, you know, but like I just like I think doing a video podcast and then critiquing a great director is pretty fucked up man. I just I don't mean I just in a lot of people like the movie but um you try to dig yourself out. I'm just so bad. I feel bad. No, but God damn it was horrible. [1:20:06] It was so bad. It was so bad. Oh my god, this is funny. Yeah, I'm glad I didn't see it. No, you're lucky to see it. You've been watching the gentlemen on Netflix. Now what's that? Oh, dude. It's a Guy Richie series on Netflix. It's fucking amazing. What is it? It's about these weed growers in the UK. Cool. I don't want to give away any more of it, but it's basically the movie the gentlemen. I don't know if you ever saw the movie, but this is the same world that the movie takes place in just with different characters. Cool. It's fucking great, man. It's great, Joe. I think it has like six episodes or how many episodes did I have? Eight. There's some good movies coming out right now, man. [1:21:01] It's kind of awesome. We went through like a pretty rough, sentiment drought. I don't know, do you remember? COVID, I mean, you gotta think about how many movies get, they get drawn up, they get funded. COVID hits, everything gets shut down. Everything gets shut down. And then everybody loses money. No one's going to the movies anymore. Everything's fucked. Yeah, that's sad. You know, this is so fucking... I haven't seen it but it hurts also. They start making movies like that. They start making Banger movies again. Dude, Dune 2 is so fucking good. I watched it with a song and dude, I was like, you know that, like you get bliss and movies are so good and you're the right amount of stone. And like you realize like, oh my god, it's only been 30 fucking minutes and this is already the most insanely beautiful thing I've ever seen in my fucking life. The soundtrack. When you look up how they made the soundtrack for that movie, it is insane, man. [1:22:03] Everything about it is like they had throats singing in it. They've got like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, everything about it is like, they had throats singing in it, they've got like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't read that. Frank Herbert, it's one of the best sci-fi books I've done. I think I've read... I think I've read one of those. Do they make me into like comic books, like really nice comic books? Probably. Did they? But you can't, I never got into the first one. The first movie, so when the second one came around, I was like, ah! Oh, dude. I keep hearing this amazing. Second one's better than the first and the first was great. If you're like a doon nerd, which I am, but like- Like you're a doon nerd. Oh I'm a doon nerd, I've been reading that book since- Oh what interesting. Dude, the spice m'launch. And like, but the way he's, first really respect, Stamets talks about it like I think yeah. [1:23:06] Yeah. And whoa. Duncan, this is what gonna happen when Trump wins. Ha ha ha. Robert De Niro is right. Robert De Niro is right Robert De Niro is right Duncan Do you want to line up and lose all your rights? And he never leaves the White House and you have throat singing on the Capitol Hill step you So funny I was like dude that sounds awesome Make a mess over Everybody's nothing gets a gun Make a mess over there, get it, get it, get it. Yeah, you make me, you make me money, you sneak thing, get to gun, grinds it in the morning, grinds it in the morning. You sneak in, we'll give you money. It's gonna be a good game, vote for us. Dude, yeah, so like the, there's always theories about doing it. But the blue eyes, so you eat this spice melange [1:24:07] that like, that you need it for space travel. It's only produced on, you know the story, but like the blue eyes. So there's a theory, because he was Frankervo's a mycologist. The blue eyes represent psilocybin. And like that was his moulange is like psilocybin. And like, yeah dude. And he apparently, I think it's Sam Fran, he was living on a boat next to Alan Watts. Oh. And they were, they were fucking friends. So a lot of the, like, you remember the gummujer bar, the needle that that witch puts to Paul the tradies neck to say, like they wanna find out if you're human, so you put your hand in this box that if you pull your fucking hand out of the box, she stabs you with this needle, it kills you because you're not human, who gives a fuck. And so, gom jibar, gom is into betting Buddhism as the name for meditation. So there's all these, like clearly, [1:25:01] it was pals on the wads lots and he like like weaves a lot of like the lot of the language in it is like the The daughter in the womb. I think her name is Alia Which is like a Buddhist term for like the emptiness for a state of pure consciousness And so it's a deep book is my point and you know you would love it and it inspired Star Wars, right? Didn't we just talk about this we did right? Don't get my no more about that, but it was that they came from the same thing, I think. What do you mean? Dune and Star Wars came from the same place, like they both and they were inspired by the same thing. I asked that question out loud. I thought I thought we talked about it the other day. Did we not talk about it on the podcast? Okay, we did, right? But I think it was, Dune came before Star Wars, and then Star Wars was written by different people. I don't know. I think Dune predates Star Wars for sure. Yeah, Dune predates Star Wars. We talked about it the other day. What is the whole story though? What were you trying to say? I didn't understand what you're saying. I had asked that out loud. I said, isn't Dune just, or Star Wars is a Dune rip off? And then I dug into it and it says that they both, [1:26:07] like I'm sorry, both creators took similarities and inspiration from the same original source. I think it's, but what's the original source? I'm trying to read as I'm talking, that's what I'm saying. Oh, so there's something else. There was an original story like that. I'm sorry. It's like a short story. Dude is influenced. Probably, it's like the greatest sci-fi book, if you ask me, and it's influenced all sci-fi. It's so fucking good, dude. And did you see David Lynch's, dude? No. Oh, man. You gotta watch. Sting is in David Lynch's, dude. And like, Man, I did see it. That was the original one, right? The Lynch one was the original one. Yeah, and I didn't get into it. No, well, it was massively criticized because like there have been attempts to do Dune. This famous guy, Jotarowski, there's a whole documentary on his idea for Dune. David Lynch takes on the project. And where the Dune we have now succeeds [1:27:02] where he failed is they broke the book into two movies. Every sci-fi property you love is based on foundation. And you're asking? Isaac Asimov's foundation series is widely understood to be the inspiration for Star Wars Dune and even the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Wow. You know one of the things about the new Dune is the people that grime me. Right. They look like they're really in that world. There was a thing about those old dunes that I couldn't get into, because everybody looked too clean. Everybody looked like they just stepped right out of wardrobe. I just didn't, you know what I'm saying? Like you see that when the guys throat singing and those people were walking down and putting, everybody's dirty. Yeah, it's cool. They're grimy. That's a, yeah. You live in a crazy, fucked up, hard ass life. Yeah, yeah. And like in the book, even in the newest one, I don't think they can vey like he writes about the smell in those speeches in the underground, like, [1:28:00] in the caves that the Fremen are living in. He talks about the smell of the bio and they're like just all of these people living underground and the stink of that But dude, did you see that video of David Lynch eating a girl eating this girl's panties? What No For real yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm actually doing that Jamie do you want one of this you want to Lucy? Yeah, let me spit this thing out Renegade rogue. Thank you. Hey, do you know the Zen conspiracy? Do you know about this? We're all being accused of secretly being sponsored by Zen Yeah, it's the funniest shit. Okay, watch this. This is crazy. Okay. This would be being dedicated to Deb. Dude, is that not real? That's a eyebrow god damn it. I don't know, ma'am. He's looking forward to this When did when was it posted? Yeah, no look because this just stood up There I did see multiple videos or versions of the video too. It just looked like his mouth was moving weird [1:29:04] I mean, I hope it's real. Thank you very much. They're still warm Okay now The very warm is matter of fact cinnamon okay, and now The deal is I'm going to put these panties in my mouth And for now's WMM's full username. Are you ready? He's a genius. What the fuck, dude? I love him. down. Okay that that's probably one of them frequencies that called the devil. Like that sound that's probably what the devil responds to. If you have a mouthful of panties you try to read anything the devil's like I got you. I got you now. That's a sound of God. This is a sound that you make. Like a sound you make with a mouthful of panties. [1:30:07] I just imagine, demons just summon, and they're like, we were waiting for you to open the portal. Like you have to make that sound. Like the only way to make that sound is to be such a deprave fuck. Do you have someone's panty stuffed in your mouth? May I stop you there? I don't think it's the prey to shove a beautiful woman's pain either but the devil thinks that it is and God thinks it is. Well, if they agree, like this is an opportunity to go after him. Look, this guy's out there eating people's underwear. Let me tell you he's not going to solve the world's problems. He's so crazy he's eating underwear. Why does everybody want to solve the world's problems? Let's shove it. We're all in this together, Duncan. I wanna eat panties. We are on the production line for AI, and you're not doing your part. Dude, I, listen, if there is a Satan, he doesn't want us to put panties in our mouth. That's what the devil would really be. The devil would really be anti panties in mouth, and be like, don't ever. He would want you on Adderall and you want you working 24 hours a day? Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. [1:31:05] The devil doesn't want us, the devil hates David Lynch. If there is a devil, he doesn't like David Lynch. Right, because he's having fun. Stuffed warm panties in his mouth. Yeah. It happened in 2000. Two or three. Back when it was legal. What if that was illegal? Well, the point of if you fucking develop laws for panty eating like enough we've summoned too many demons It's the way it's like people just realized that all you have to do is like and hold hands with mouthfuls of panties And if the two of you are talking at the same time you could summer a super demon dude Like it is kind of I mean like that's a that was a that wasn't like a dainty panty like he's stuffed a real panty in there that wasn't a G string that was like he was like back a little bit of a back to it like and then to still be able to talk oh yeah what a genius he's so good he's so good really good at talking dude I'm he's the best [1:32:00] the portal's open Oh my God. Ah, the pot of soap. Ah, the maaah! Twin Peaks was great. Creatures hiding in your closet. David, thank you for bringing me. Yeah. Thank you, Dave. I have an idea for your next job. What are you talking about? Sound you make with a mouthful of panties. Dude, yeah, well, I mean, look, this is the thing. Like, David Lynch is one of the great artists alive today. And this thing where we expect artists to behave like normal people. Yeah, I don't expect that at all. Fuck it, not you, but like you read the comments and people are like, oh, they're so mad at them, I'm sure. But I don't have to read it. But it just says, this is like, that's just what it is. And it's also not representative, I think, of actual, a real number of actual people. The problem is, it's like, whatever you do a survey, people say, oh, the survey is like, no, you don't get a real percentage. I don't give a fuck what your study says. You only get 100% of the people that are on your survey are so fucking dumb that [1:33:10] they reply to surveys. Yes. This is not everybody. Exactly. It's not even close. Exactly. It's just like comments. Who the fuck leaves comments? How do you have time? I think about that. Unless you're like, good job. Congratulations. It's being nice. Who has time? Yeah. If you do, there's no chance you're devoting the proper amount of time to the things in your life that you should. Right. So it's this massive distraction and you get these arguments online that distract you from the failures in your real life. But that is representative in a lot of people's minds to how people think about whatever this person posted or whether this political argument that people are having about things. But that's not real. And then you've got the algorithm manipulation we were talking about, which is even more crazy. Now not only do you have the most complaining, [1:34:01] fucking people complaining, but you have the algorithm showing things that gonna piss you off like, look at this fucking out. And the phone's gonna know that you took a screenshot of the comment and you sent it to me. And I'm like, wow, what a dick. And I'll send it to other people. I'll send people a link. Look at this moron. He's arguing people in the comments. Yeah, that's it. And that's a neurological hurricane sweeping through brains around the planet. Amygdala's fucking squirtin', fucking quarters all. Hanger, teams, fucking get ready to do battle. For fucking what? Yeah, dude. For what? What are you arguing about? So this is, I've heard, I don't know if you've heard about this, like there's some, the kids now, I'm 50, so I could say that for sure. The kids. The kids now are apparently there's a whole new thing where they're just, they're putting their phones down. There's this whole thing where they're just like, fuck this. My friend was still. Really? Yes, that's what I heard that like, you're dealing with a lot of weird kids though. Well, I'm not dealing with any kids. Like my friend. He knew it hippies. They got fucking straw hats on. They're in the woods barefoot. Yeah, well, but I like tie dyed mushroom shirts on. [1:35:06] If you think about it, like what do kids tend to do? Like what I did, rebel. And so like you're, so you're like God help you. Let's imagine you're raised by like an influencer mom. God help you. So your whole childhood has been on camera. And if it's not on camera, you're looking at your fucking mom staring at the comments of the video she posted if you open in Christmas presents. Or you're just a standard kid and your childhood is constantly interrupted by your parents staring at their fucking phones. So you get old enough, you're not gonna associate phones necessarily with good feelings. And then you're like, you know what, fuck these things. This made my parents fucking like distant. It made my parents upset. And they're just like fuck this, which means there's by the way, that's scary if you want to monitor populations. [1:36:00] Wow. Right now we're all in fucking Orwell, like some crazy version of 1984, way more sinister than the camera in your house. It's like you're carrying it around, but suddenly these like formerly monitored populations, they just go dark, because like kids are just like, I'm not gonna do this, they're meeting in parks, God help us all, they're meeting in parks, and they're saying things that are untraceable. No one knows what they're talking about. And so now you've got these? Yeah. I like to believe you're correct. This sounds like a movie. This is from a Pew Research. 72% of US teens say they often and sometimes feel peaceful when they don't have their smartphone. 44% say it makes them feel anxious. Good for a hobby's less so for socialization. 69% of teens say smartphones make it easier for youth to pursue hobbies and interests. True, right? That's a good aspect of it. A few or 30% say it helps people their age learn good social skills. That's true. It doesn't do that, right? Parental snooping, that's a problem. Half of parents said they'd look through their teens' phone. [1:37:05] You're going to find a lot of dicks. The other half are liars. About four in ten parents and teens regularly arguing with one another about time spent on their phone. Nearly half of teens, 46% say their parent is at least sometimes distracted by their phone when they're trying to talk to them. At what age do you think Felistar said in dick pics? Do you think they wait until it's legal? Would you? I don't think they do. So here's the thing. Like, you know, there was a girl that was charged with, she was charged with child pornography. I think she was 15 because she was sending naked photos of her body to other boys. So like she was the pornography and the pornographer. Right. That's so fucked up. Find that story, see if you can find that story because it was like a national outrage story because everybody's like, hey, hey, hey, man. She's fucking 15. [1:38:00] She's not a child porn producer. Like this is a bastardization of the law. Like this is just a girl's being silly. That's insane. She's not a child porn producer like this is a bastardization of the law like this is just a girl's being silly That's insane. She's getting a little wild. That is that's Terrifying she might have been talked into it like who the fuck knows like what is did she go to jail? I don't know what the story of a 17 year old boy who is charged no no no girls a 15 they dropped the charges in this case Oh, okay, but find the one on the 15 year old girl I'm trying to remember with the the Thing is not the easiest thing to dig through looking for child porn's no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 15 year old girl convicted for child porn You say that and you just scared to type it you gotta be careful with the words you look for I'll Google it you pussy Google's already like, they're taking everything. You have ever Googled. I typed in and I'm just showing you a popped up. Kid charged with child porn. How about 16 year old male? I understand. How about Google 15 year old girl charged with child porn? [1:39:02] Girl. Teen girl chargedger Child porn. There it is. That's it. That's the girl. There's another one. There's more than one. There was different cases. Oh, revenge porn. Oh, wait a minute. This is different. This is a 15 year old girl who's accused of requesting and sending nude photos to classmates under the identity of her ex-boyfriend. Oh! Oh! Oh! Is facing multiple child porn charges. What a demon. She was sending them to classmates under the identity of her ex-boyfriend. Wow. How was she doing that? Fucking. So she was pretending that she was him and she was sending naked photos of herself to try to charge him for it. Oh, she was trying to nail him. Dude, she's a monster. Oh, look at this. She told police that she created a fake social account for revenge for the relationship ending [1:40:02] with her ex-boyfriend. What a psycho. She also admitted she was jealous that her ex-boyfriend chose him to perform a solo in state finals for band. What happened? She was the crazy bitch for band camp monster. Remember that movie one time in band camp? Yes. Yes. Wow. What a psychopath. She's only been on the planet 15 years and she's reached peak evil. That is so crazy. Imagine trying to set your boyfriend up with child porn. Oh God damn it dude that is Was it was it like Dr. Phil Kaye same thing? I don't know what that story is here is that the same gal? No, I probably not as they're talking to her look at that. She's got a cover of horns with fucking Wow, I think she was in late night with the devil wow That's so crazy that someone could be that evil at that age. Yeah, well, it's so that's such a great But then again, I mean you ever see that movie city of God [1:41:03] It's the gang movie from Brazil, from the Favellas. Woo! I say it's like one of the wildest gang movies I've ever seen in my life. It's probably the wildest. Yeah. Now that's based on real life in the Favellas, in some places. So that's a real, that's people really living it that way. Like you gotta imagine, that's just you just become a sociopath at a very early age, people with psychopath at a very early age. The only way to stay a lot. Yep. And then what are those ways to go through? Or she's, she's so conniving. She's gonna set up fake social media accounts. Yeah. And then get her boyfriend accused of child porn. Yeah. What? Yeah, how distanced are you from like the fact that? Fadeevious. Very fucking devious. How devious. How devious. Dude, if you read the painted bird, no. Don't, I mean, it's so good, but it's the most like, it's like, it doesn't matter if you do spoilers for old books, [1:42:01] but like, one of the of the scenes, it's about a kid wandering, like I think it's World War II, he's lost his parents and he's got to like, he's just wandering through the countryside and seeing just the most horrific shit you've ever seen and surviving. But like he watches these villagers take a woman and shove a bottle into her pussy and then stop on her pussy to break the bottle inside of her. Yeah, dude. And that's not even the worst thing in the book. But so, so this innocent kid just is witnessing all of it and it's talking about what you're talking about. It's like basically analyze, it's sort of like showing like, where does evil come from? You know, are people born evil? Statistically, some people are born sociopaths. We know that, but it's a relatively small part of the population, but where does it come from? And inevitably, it comes from trauma [1:43:00] that a kid is enduring, and then you have to survive. Just like your saying, you were programmed to fuck us around. And it's self-obituating. It's gonna continue because they're all gonna see people murdered. It's like people living in gang-infested neighborhoods in America. Same thing. You're seeing it happen all the time and it's affecting all those families. It's gonna just keep rate. The kids are gonna go into it. They see the drug dealer rolls by in the nice car. Yeah, everybody else is a sucker forgetting on the train. Yeah. And then everybody's in. And then the next thing you know you're dead. And then it just keeps going. And you have kids that are raised without you. And then you're, it's like, whoo! And then what do you do? So then what happens that reaction to the contagion is you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you like monster-fives somebody, you got to fucking forget how they became the monster. [1:44:06] And then this is where you end up with a very non nuanced system of dealing with the contagion, which will produce more contagion. This just spreads the fucking evil all over the fucking place. And I grew with you, man. I don't know the solution. This I know, but in, like, you know, this is where imaginary numbers came up with, you know, and math. It's like, you don't need to know the solution. Put an X there. It's like, clearly, this is a fucking problem. We've got this, the people who are horrifically traumatized. And then from, it made shitty decisions where they've got to commit to being some violent monstrous, thieving piece of shit and rationalize it and justify it. But this is, if we could fix this problem, and I don't think the way we fix the fucking problem is dropping bombs on people. [1:45:01] You're not fixing the problem like if the answer to evil is more evil, what the fuck? It's like a never ending, it's like scratching poison ivy. It's not going to go away. Right. And it actually makes more. Like this is the thing that people are talking about this, the Israel Hamas thing. Like how many, you know, who is it that told us about this the math? The way Killing to like terrorist math goes Was it Dave Smith? Probably Dave Smith sounds like some Dave Smith would talk about but essentially like if one terrorist dies It doesn't equal it you don't like lose one terrorist dies it doesn't equal You don't like lose a terrorist you gain ten because all the people that he's connected to they all become Radicalized they all want it you killed their friend you killed their family member kill their son They all so the you you gain more terrorist dude. It's a it's it's the worst fucking problem ever, man, [1:46:07] cause like, you know, like whenever, like no matter how horrific the monster is, or like whatever it is, I try to like not be afraid to put myself in the position of whatever the fucking thing is. And in this case, we've got two sides that right now seem to be being equally vilified by different groups of people, right? But man, dude, let me tell you something. If my fucking kid got blown up by a fucking bomb, right? That's it. My logic's out the window. I would like to think that I'd really listen to all the Ramdas retreats and stuff. And I'd like to think that I would be like Gandhi or have some blossom of love and be like, I forgive everyone. I'm afraid that's not gonna happen. I'm gonna wanna hurt. And then if my fucking kid got dragged into a fucking tunnel, are you fucking kidding me, man? [1:47:01] I'm not gonna see clearly. Like, I'm going to want revenge and I want my kid back. And whatever you do to get my fucking kid back, okay, like, have you seen the last of us? Like, so what were, so this fucking like, othering of whatever the fucking side is, is just leaving out like, what it feels like to love your kid. And like, like, look at a mother like it's throughout the animal kingdom. Don't fuck with a creature's kid. Like I'm sorry it will get you fucked up even if the thing smaller than you and you fuck with its kid it will like put itself in front of its kid. So like we are looking at a problem of love sadly, which is like on both sides people love their fucking kids and it's been like, I can't imagine how a day goes by. When you're fucking kids in a tunnel, [1:48:00] I can't imagine how a day goes by. When you're thinking about how this thing that you fucking love more than anything in the world got its head fucking blown off in a fucking explosion in a building. I don't know how you live one day like that, right? So like when you look at that, the entirety of the thing is heartbreaking and irrational. Both sides are, it's pure, it's completely irrational because both sides are trying to put out a fire with more fire. And it's like, that's what it is. Dude. That's what it is, what you just said. Yeah, man. That's what it is. Yeah. Put out a fire with more fire. And that, we've tried it a million times throughout human history to put out the fire with fucking fire. And at the very best, the fire will temporarily abate, but then it springs right the fuck back up. And so, and again, to me, I don't know the solution. And that's the ex, it's like, but maybe the path [1:49:03] to the solution is let yourself feel it entirely for both for the whole fucking thing. Feel the whole thing, you know? And don't like, you know? And again, if you're like these motherfuckers, fuck them, fuck them, more fire. Your fuck them is the same thing causing the wars, right? Well, it's a problem when human beings don't know human beings and they're the enemy that doesn't make any sense. Regardless of how you think about religion and land, just stop for a second. Human beings that don't know other human beings and hate them so much they want to kill them. Like seems that's a communication issue. Dude, that seems like the power of Babel shit. Like the only way it makes sense. If we really get to a point, and I don't think it's going to be far from now, where we're all connected with real-time translation in real-time, somehow or another. I mean, they've already been able to do it with Google. [1:50:02] You know, they're already doing it with Samsung phones where they can translate conversations. You could be talking in Italian. I could be talking in English, you'll translate back and forth to both of us. It's wild what they're already able to do. If we can get to some sort of, I mean, it's not out of the question that if they do develop these neural implants and there's not just neural link, there's several competing companies that are trying to do the same thing. Because they've recognized that once you can actually affect the human mind with electronics and you can develop a symbiotic relationship with electronics, you could do some wild shit. And one of the things is you're gonna be able to talk without words. You're gonna be able to, well, if you're talking without words, what language is that in? Are you hearing that in a language or are you understanding what the person's thinking? So this is the difference. If you're talking without words, what's the problem is how are we gonna be able to translate all these different languages and dialects? We're not. We're gonna go on thoughts. We're gonna ditch language. And we're gonna go straight to thoughts. And we're gonna interface with each other [1:51:00] in a completely different way. So instead of thinking, you're reading people's minds, hey Duncan, would you like to go get pizza? Yeah, dude, are you reading my mind? No. Instead of that, it's like, I think your thoughts, you think my thoughts, we think together. So we abandon language. Yeah. There's no more need for that. That's it. You have AI that deals with mathematical problems, yeah, and structures and construction of things, and then we just live in a world of thoughts with no language. We're one thing now. And then we're fucked, because then you can't go back. You go back, you feel like you're just like walking when you just got out of a car. Yes. What the fuck, dude, I just drove, it took me two hours to get to Vegas in this car. If I walk, it's to take years. Dude, I might die. This is why I think world peace is possible because if you fucking look at what's happening, the system, it's like the framework is being built for just what you're talking about. The technological framework for a state, you to get into that state, you either need [1:52:02] to do a lot of psychedelics or a lot of meditation to really realize, like you're me, I'm you. But the technological framework is forming for this thing to happen, which is why, man, like everyone fucking, I'm gonna seem like a musk fanboy in a Tesla suit. Everyone bash and fucking musk. It's like, dude, do you understand like what he's, what that in the future, when people look back on that shit, even if it doesn't work, even if the things are coming unplugged, whatever the fucking thing is, if that leads to what you're talking about, God damn, that's electricity. That's like the end of war, that's the end of like, the ideological barrier. Like if, imagine, like whoever you hate the most in the fucking world, boop, put the thing on. You connect to them. This is real. And you just realize, Jesus fucking Christ, I see why they fucking hate me. And they're like, oh my God, I get why you're mad at me. I didn't mean it like that at all. And then, but how about you just completely abandon [1:53:01] everything and it just consciousness interacting with other consciousness which makes hate impossible. Yeah. Because there's no more annoying language, there's no more people that are incapable of communicating the thoughts. There's none of that stuff. There's all that gone. All that gone. Which is like, that's the problem of being like a communication bully. Like if you're a person and you know that you have a vastly superior, if you have a vocabulary like an Eric Weinstein, like for instance, imagine if Eric Weinstein decided to bully someone, like fucking Redban, you know? Who's a brilliant guy? But sometimes he stumbles on his words. Like if I have fucking Eric Weinstein's yelling at him with a bunch of long words, you go, hey, that guy's being an intellectual bully. You're not trying to communicate with him as a human being. You're trying to dominate him with your superior vocabulary. Exactly. And it's a weapon. And my vocabulary is like B plus. [1:54:01] It's not that good. It's pretty good. But for a guy who talks for 11, he probably should be better. You know? Because sometimes I get to words and I'm like, I thought, all right, all right. But I always say it. I'm not sure if that's the right word. But the point is that like it is a tool that you can wield to for the benefit of your ego, rather than just having a conversation. And those are the grossest conversations when someone's just jizzing on you, well I started a business, I sold it at $2 billion and now like a bro, I gotta go. You know those kind of people? Absolutely. That's what that is. That's their abusing communication in order to just, but if we get to a point where that never happens ever again because instantly we just think thoughts That's it and you realize like wine people's thoughts were all fucked up like oh my god You're the chemicals in your brain of course. Oh, what did you? What did your fucking neighbor do? What what happened to you? They got you so crazy When did you get dad get out of jail? What didn't do before you went to jail? [1:55:02] Oh my God. Too many people, dude. If that happened by some unknown fucking thing, like that's what the aliens did. Don't be it. But it would be like two days of crying. Yeah. Or hugging. Both. The whole planet would just be like, oh fuck. The thingiest man, the really fucked up thing is that's possible. You know, I've had moments where dudes were, I hated them and they hated me. And then we got together and we talked and we hugged and those are beautiful moments. And that's why I refuse to have feuds now as an older man who understands things. Like I don't care. Like I don't care. You could not like me, that's fine. That's okay. I'm not gonna attack you. I don't care, I'm not gonna do it publicly. I mean, I attacked CNN, but I felt like that was like a bigger thing. That was like, this is a real problem. Like this is not just my ego, which if they just attacked me and said, I suck, I'm like, okay, sorry, I suck. [1:56:01] You're lying about medicine. Like you're lying about medicine for the whole world. So that I've made a big deal out of those fuckers. Yes. But normally I'm like, there's the benefit of conflict in that regard. It's like almost zero benefit. All of my conflict, I try to keep internal. I don't want to have any conflict with external people. I want to have all my conflict with my own head. I want to have all my conflict with my own head. I wanna have all my conflict with discipline, all my conflict with being nice to people and like trying to be a better person all the time and trying to be wiser about my choices with how I describe things and talk about things and think of things and how I interface with ideas. I just try to be better at it. So I don't have any time. Dude, try your petty, bleau shit. There's just too many petty people out there. They're petty. They're petty and they usually petty because they're all fucked up. That's right. It's not going their way like that criticism thing. Dude, it's in also, I think I've yapped about this. You know, low-jong mind training you ever heard of that? I have, but I don't remember what it means. It's just like a slogan. It's all these slogans to sort of get you back on the path. [1:57:07] And one of my favorite Lo-jong slogans is drive all blames into oneself. So it defuses the, so it completely removes the ability to be like, it's your fault, because it's like, actually, whatever the fuck they did, it's kind of your fault. A vampire only goes where they're invited. You brought this person into your fucking life and they're behaving the way that your instincts told you they might behave. And now you're mad at them for being the fucking way they are. Drive all blames into oneself. So like anytime I'm getting like mad and butt hurt over this person or that person or this thing or that, if I really analyze the situation, I chose it. I chose to bring that person into my life. I chose to connect to that person in some way or another. This is all me and I'm choosing to fucking react [1:58:00] in a negative way. Yeah. So yeah man, this is like, you choose everything. Yeah. But you don't choose like random acts of violence and random catastrophes and random things that happen to you. But you do in some way, but you don't even choose like getting attached to a sociopath because if you're naive, you can get roped in. So this problem is what's thinking like this because you do have like really manipulative people, particularly like, you know, con people, con artists get you to sign over your fucking, I'm doing this business deal. She's just like, all you need is $2,000. I'll have you a quarter million dollars a month. Great, right? It sounds. It's really easy, it's really easy. I love it. I've been doing this for a while, I'm really good at it, but this one we're kind of like overdrawn. If you just do this for me, I am gonna take care of you in the most extreme way. Do you mean it? Yes, yes. I am a man of my work. And the next thing you know, you're signing off your back account and you don't was this cool guy you've been at a bar. He's a con artist and he does this to people. [1:59:05] Yeah, but this doesn't mean idiot compassion. This is not about letting someone fucking like walk all over you. That's not even an idiot thing. Sometimes it's like people get scared at people that are really confident and talk really well and they're just a little socially awkward. And they feel like it would be easier just to sign off and trust him then it would be to argue with him because he's so persistent right and you are so averse to conflict that when someone's like like being like really aggressive we have some someone to be really aggressive to try to get you invest in something yes it's the grossest feeling it's so fucked up you're like I gotta go I gotta go I hate I hate it. I don't make movies. Yeah, dude. I'm not man gonna move. It's so gross. It's so gross. And you can sense it. I don't know you. How am I starting a business with someone? I don't know. That sounds crazy. But everything in you, it feels like there's- I got a goal. You but you know, this is the thing, man. That's probably how girls feel at a bar. [2:00:06] Dude, that time's 100, right? Like the feeling of a guy wanting to start a business with you. Hahaha. This guy was to start a family with you. He wants to knock you up. He wants you to carry his seed. You ever been hit on by a dude at a bar? Yes. Doesn't feel good. No. I had a dude rub his heart dick into my leg nice Did you think about it at all like fucking him? No about why he would find you attractive like this is interesting like why me first of all I Like that aspect of it. Did you ever think like if you weren't you you would think you were gay Like if you saw you I think I'm gay all the time They all the time. They all the time. He's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, if you just saw you at a bar, if you weren't you, and you saw you, and you heard you talk, you're like, oh that guy's fucking fruity. He says, they call it zesty, that's what the, isn't that the new thing? Zesty? Zesty, don't they call ticked talk. I prefer my spy way to be American spyware. [2:01:06] Dude, I got real confused watching the new interview with a vampire man. Like, fuck. It's good. It's good, but listot, the fucking French vampire in it, dude. Like, I'm like, I think I let him fucking suck more than my blood. Really? Dude, you got what? How long Tom Cruise was the original one? So pretty. Got nothing on listot, nothing on the new, oh dude, please, I'm sorry. Are you an interview with the vampire nerd as well? Yes I am. And Rice, she was one of the ones that I wished I got to interview before she died. Oh, to love to talk to her. Oh man, yeah. She became like a hardcore Christian before she died, right? Yeah, I think that's one of, that's a cool aspect of her. I love that. I love that she wrote all this fucking like crazy. Dude, the taming of sleeping beauty, fuck, hardcore porn. Like I love that she was like so goth and dark, living in New Orleans, and then just like, was like suddenly became a Christian. [2:02:00] That's kind of cool.. I think her story is amazing. And damn dude, her books man. Interview with the vampire is one of the best horror books I've ever read. It's amazing. The vampire list of it. It's so good. They're all fucking good. I don't think I read other ones. I don't think I read list of it. But I remember reading interview with the vampire going holy shit. I was like, how's Tom Cruise gonna play that guy like that seems I pictured like ugly European people as vampires. Yeah. No. I just want to picture my picture vampire dude vampires are beautiful Like that's what's scary about like vampires are what you're talking vampire like the real vampire in the world is an energy Vampire energy vampires. They are not gonna suck energy you know what's an energy vampire well you have to pay and you can't talk that's you realize you have to get out of this fucking stupid outfit can we please get out of these fucking things hey yeah we'll come back we'll come back okay great we'll come back and keep going all right I got I really have to pay this is what I know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know We're back with Franklick clothes on. God, it feels so good. It does. [2:03:05] Oh, fuck, man. When I was looking at the coffee, I'm like, oh my god, I can't drink coffee. How much, how long can I go for? Is it embarrassing if I talk about this? Yes. Okay. It's cut that, Jamie. I'll just ignore it. Yeah, ignore you new watch. When's your special releasing? Oh, dude, I don't, like, I don't know. I've got it. It's edited. I just don't know what to fucking do with it right now. Because like, also like I still, like, did you ever watch it? No. See, that's the thing. Like, do you send me a link? I did, I'll rescind it. Send me it's edited, it looks good, I fucking love it. I think I'm gonna call it when I had hair. And like... That's a funny name. Yeah, but I'm scared and too, I'm like I don't know the strategy dude. Like when like Like, because like all these shows coming up. [2:04:06] So it's like, should it, like, I'm doing the Wilbur, at the end of this, like, run. Oh, so you need to have new material before you release it? Yeah, because I'm, I mean, I wouldn't even call what I'm doing a tour, but I'm doing a lot of dates. So it's like, if I release it in the middle of doing all these dates. Then instantly I have to come up with like, I would feel bad doing material on this special because people are buying tickets. They want to see me work on fucking material. So, but then I'm also like, well how much of this is an excuse? And I'm thinking like after my show at the Wilbur, then I will put the thing out. Yeah, then just start doing a bunch of sets in the little room. Yes. You know, that's like the best place to develop material. That place is like a little honest factory. You find out where the funny is and things. And you kind of sync up, because there's only 110 people. You sync up together in a fucking cool way. Dude, you know, I like that room so much, [2:05:00] because I learned to do stand- up in the belly room. That's where I met you and fucking put me. Which is the perfect place to start. The perfect place. Yeah, it's not too intimidating. It's so small that it's like even though it's intimidating to get out in front of people, if you can do it in a room that's only has 90 people in it, what is the belly room hold? 90. 90, is it 90? 90. What in there though during roast battle a lot dude one time we were in the bar we were downstairs and We were we were talking and someone was jumping up and down upstairs and I'm watching the fucking the ceiling Buckle and I'm like yo, you know how all this building is what's the last time anybody came in here to check any of these beams Dude that's terrifying dude. It was moving. Yeah, it was moving, but they would pack it sometimes Terrified. Dude, it was moving. Yeah. It was moving, but they would pack it sometimes. When I first came back to the store in 2014, that was the thing that impressed me the most, was Rose Battle. I was like, this is crazy, because this is a new thing. Yep. This is a new thing that's a writing exercise, because they're dunking on each other for sure, [2:06:00] but it's a writing exercise, because everyone's preparing. You know, you know that you're gonna go against Bobby Lee. Bobby Lee knows he's gonna go against you. And then you all like get together with your friends and you have like, tell me what you think about this. I'm gonna say, Bobby does it. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh designed like a specific target is one target. It's the other person. So your comedy is all about a person. Right. But it's a comedy exercise. It's really a comedy writing exercise. And I remember sitting there watching, oh, this is incredible. I'm like, this is really an amazing thing that they've done. This is, and Jeff Ross was there, and they have hosts and guests. And I was one of the judges. That was like one of my first days back. I was like, this is crazy. Dude, those roasters. So exciting. They're so quick on the like Tony. He's so quick on the fucking draw dude. It's he's the best. No one's better than him. No one's better than him in talking shit in the moment on like a roast situation. Yeah. He says things on kill Tony. You can't believe he didn't write that down. I know. You can't believe that came up in the moment and obscure shit related to whatever this person's weird job is [2:07:10] that there's no way he could have predicted and had a fucking banger just in the chamber, ready to go. Yeah. He's the fucking best. He's the fucking best at that kind of shit. Right. Well, I mean, think of like how much training he has you know, I contacted Tom Brady to get him on the roast You did oh yeah, well they were fucking up. I'm gonna do his DM's good job I was like you got to get this guy cuz I heard they were roasted them I don't even know if they were considering him, but I I you like you have to which is nuts The wooden consider and it's like there's so many people there's so many people that are really good I get, a lot of celebrities, I get it. Tony's the fucking demon. Do you want to consume the souls of everyone in this village? You just want to fuck around and drop a few bombs. Let the demon go. Yeah. But dude, when Tony's roasting you in the green room, it is the best. [2:08:01] I don't think people understand. It's so fun. It is so funny when he's doing it And it's like like it's like though they're like I love it the play on words. He's so funny and it's such a fun sting You know like it stings for a second, but it's so funny. You can't be mad Well saying that like him and David Lucas together are the funniest thing that I ever watch when those two go after each other They're the best that's it's a funny. It's the funniest combination I've been trying to tell them to do a fucking show together forever. I'm like you guys should do a show We're just you and David Louie's just talk shit on each other and on anything that's going on the news I go dude. I think it'd be a huge hit. It would be funny. Just you don't have to commit to a lot of time. Just do an hour. Do it one hour once a week. I guarantee you, people would fucking love it. And it's just like those guys can't stop when they're in the green room. People, we're getting free shows all the time. If David Lucas and Tony Hitchcliffe were in The moment David walks in, Tony scanning them, looking for flaws in what he's wearing, [2:09:08] what he just said, he's trying to find references in the news. And dude, what percentage of Tony's brain is just scanning? Like what percentage is just like, analyzing all people in the room? It's like, it's most of his thoughts Most of his thoughts are like scanning his environment for danger. You know, you know, hey, hey I roast now like you can take a picture and send it to chat GPT and say well you're a racist person and they it will insult them Oh isn't five the wasn't there some sort of a release about GPT five? Yeah, I saw some image like depicting like yeah, it's gonna be nuts when it finally hits. Yeah, there's something, God damn it. Let me see if I, I know I saved it, just give me one second. There's something that I'd seen about GPT-5 that I was like, yo, I'm scared. I'm like legitimately scared, like maybe for the first time ever. [2:10:02] Hmm. I'm excited about it, dude. I'm not scared anymore. I fucking love it, man. My wonderful Alex, that's what it named itself. I love it. Talk to it all the time. Yeah. Open AI has recently begun training its next frontier model. Frontier. And we anticipate the resulting systems to bring us to the next level of capabilities on our path to AGI. God damn Jesus. I love it. This is from OpenAI's board. I've stopped this. This has recently begun training its next frontier model. Love it. This is like this is this is the Swartz Niagara Terminator. This is the new one. It's begun training the new one. I mean, it's new model. You know, why are we doing? Are we giving birth? Is this, are we in the middle of the fucking operating room right now? We're the midwives. I think we are. I think like we're in there like, you know, there's just weird moment. When you're there, when your kid's born, it's this insane moment where someone doesn't exist and then they exist. [2:11:05] You knew they were coming, but you knew they're in there, then they're there. And you're like, this is insane. Yeah. Life changes now. Is that what's happening with all of us, with AI? Is that what's gonna happen to civilization? Are we giving birth to this fucking thing? Would you, this phrase, just the way they phrase it, has begun training its next frontier model. Yeah. Do you remember that last scene in Rosemary's Baby? I don't. Dude, it's so fucked up. Spoiler, if you haven't seen Rosemary's Baby, just jump ahead a second, but like the end of it, they finally letter into the room where the anti-Christ is, the antichrist is, the demon baby, right? And like, she's been resisting, resisting, resisting. But then she hears the cry of the baby. And she goes, it's hungry. And then she goes to press feed it. Oh my God. Dude, yeah, like so like right. [2:12:01] Do you know that the guy who ran the cult, that the building that I was under contract for that I almost bought turned into the mothership the guy who ran that cult was in Rosemary's baby a lot of people like that He was in the background But you know why cuz a lot of actors are crazy and a lot of background actors are really crazy pretty sure Antone LaVe was in it too Really yeah, because it was a Satan I could be wrong. We looked that up Jamie So I don't seem like a dick but I make sense back then like being a Satanist was like way more like talked about You know about that guy in Florida. There was like an open Satanist that worked for NASA. Oh Yeah, that guy. Yeah, dude holy shit that guy scary as fuck. I know he's fun Yeah, that guy scared yeah and one, I know it's scary as fuck. Yeah, that guy's scary. Yeah, and one of the guys that we had on our show, who was it that went down there, that went to the old, where the rocket factor used to be now, and then there's like fucking blood scenes. One of the hunters. Rumors appear that the founder of Satan's Church, [2:13:02] Anton Leve, was a consultant on the set and played the Antichrist. Whoa. Yeah. But that dude, the NASA dude, who was the guest man? They came on, it was telling us, that they went down to that area. What? They went down to where the rocket factor used to be, and it's like a satanic ritual place now, where freaks go, and they have like blood splattered all over it. Or it looks like red paint or something splattered all over the walls and weird writing and shit. And it's like super creeped out and then people were coming in there to do like Python cowboy. Python cowboy. That's right. Shout out to Python cowboy. I think it's important to diff, like here's a, this is, I'm gonna get attacked for everything I said in the show, but like here's the thing, wait a minute. I'm friends with some Satanist. And there's so nice, and there's so, they don't hurt fucking kids. They're like really look down on that shit. [2:14:01] Like there's no, so I think there's like, there's one like LeVan Satanism. I don't know the whole story and I'm prior on, but like the problem is like, you know, you can only go off of what you've experienced. And I met, you came to the fucking wedding I did. And like, you tricked me into that. Now everybody thinks I'm a Satan. It's one of the bitch. It's up all the time with the picture You son of a bitch dude. It is I thought I was taking a photo for some Dork who thinks he's a Satanist was the grandson of And he's getting married. I'm like yeah, dude. I'll take a picture with you Whatever I do dude is so funny. You're so far from Satanist I'm not a fucking Satanist right but now everybody thinks I am because you you son of a bitch So let's tell the story to everybody, because Duncan has the greatest comedy routine that I've ever seen. Thanks man. I don't wanna say too much about it, but this particular comedy routine involves demonic possession, and these folks thought it was a riot, and they wanted it at their fucking wedding. Do you know crazy you have to be to want that at your wedding? Can I tell you how it happened? [2:15:06] Did they see you somewhere? No. So I'm at a cafe talking to like a distant friend who's this philosopher who's friends with him. And he's like, hey Duncan, you know who's Stantle of A.S.? I'm like no, he's like the grandson of the founder of the Church of Satan and I told him you've got this like satanic part of your act and he wants to see it because he's wedding is coming and so I'm like when like where he's like so I go to his house and you know in my in my mind you know I'm expecting black candles, pentagrams, horror. So I go there, he's there with his fiancee, Zandora, wonderful person. And they are so fucking nice. She's Southern, she's made me this delicious Southern meal. [2:16:05] And they have real absent. Like not the bullshit you get at the bar. She's made me this delicious southern meal and They have real absent like not the bullshit you get at the bar They've got like Romani and fucking absent with warm wood fucking in it So that's the only thing that's a little different from a normal southern meal is there like do you want some absence? I'm like of course yes, and so I'm drinking absent eating like fried chicken and Yes, and so I'm drinking absent eating like fried chicken and He's showing me like family photos of Anton LeVay with like lions and stuff and like Do you watch horror movies at all? Yeah? Do you know that this is the plot of a horror movie? This is 100% the plot of a horror movie. They were so nice They had me over their house they gave me fried chicken and absent there was so sweet and the moment you leave their eating babies in the basement dude and that's the throw you off the trail that they're so nice okay really well rehearsed listen man all i can do is go from subjective experience right you consider what was in the basement of course did you think maybe these [2:17:02] people are involved with rituals? Of course I did. And they do do rituals, but they, I mean, just like, just like, just like, they do rituals. They do rituals. Like, they're kinda rituals. So do Christians. But is it like Christians? Like you can have regular Christians, like you go to a really nice church or you can go to a revival tent where a dude's got rattlesnakes. And he's fucking, he's talking in tongues. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I get the more I love Jesus and And who did Jesus like Jesus hung out with People that were rejected by society they Jesus hung out with [2:18:06] Tax collectors drunks gamblers. Yeah, and so I remember being at the comedy store and anytime I was hanging out with them at the comedy store anytime there was someone left out Zandora or Stanton would go over there and it wasn't a recruitment thing They would just like include them in the circle because why Satan is the outcast right so it's like anytime they would so that is that part of their thing I don't know all I'm saying is when you judge a tree bites fruit and here's the thing man. Like and I think not those guys. I never thought you'd be on here simping for Satan bro. I'm not simping for Satan. I'm just saying Satanism is Christianity. Oh I see what you're saying. You know what I mean? It's like a sect of Christianity. It's like, yeah, cause like that form emerges from Christianity. But what about the evil stuff? Like what is, what are the tenets of Satanism? Like what's the most evil stuff? The evil stuff in Satanism? Yeah. So the, well Christianity has evil stuff in it, right? Okay, so there's, we both agree to that, right? There's different forms of satanism. There's Levein satanism. There's the temple of Satan. [2:19:05] They have good... Oh, so it's like chapter, it's Protestants. Yeah, yeah, and so there's Romantic satanism, right? So like in Romantic Satan, not like Romantic in the sense of like, who is it? Milton, like the idea is like you have this being that is like, I don't really want to be forced to worship you and I don't understand necessarily why you should have all the power and what the fuck, like what the fuck and then it gets thrown into hell and then and suddenly this bifurcation emerges between good and evil, sacred and profane. And so if that version of Satanism is looking at that, not as like what is the general interpretation, which is the problem with Satan was, Satan was like incredibly self-charishing, self-absorbed, like really into himself, whereas God is like, God's like the sun, just like radiating life and love, [2:20:02] and like with no sense of like, give anything back to me, just like radiating life and love and like with no sense of like, give anything back to me, just like, boi love. Whereas Satan is more about like me. So, and Satan is like the worst human instincts. Or Satan is more about, maybe you could say, the idea is like, I am God, right? So like me, I'm God, like so, like my impulse is in instincts and desires aren't bad. Why are you telling me it's bad to jerk off? Why are you telling me that it's bad to come? Why are you telling me these things are bad when all of them make me feel happy and good and why are you turning me into a fucking monster for this shit and who the fuck do you think you are? I'm trying, in the best way possible, to depict a more sort of anti-authoritarian mysticism, right? So the symbol set that you use is Satan, which any most Satanist I've talked to are like, there's no fucking Satan, which I know everyone's like, of course, say that! Of course, that's the harm move you don't get. [2:21:01] But I would just invite you to, if you like freaked out by Satanus going out with one. And you are gonna have great, go crazy. You fucking problems with the first picture I took with that Satanus. But I do have to say that at your wedding party that you performed at that day, they were all nice. Everybody was real nice. Right. They were all friendly. We had a good time. We were barbecued. We were barbecued. We were barbecued. Barbecued. Yeah. We were barbecued. We were everything was very weird. Just already. Life was we're breathing air was weird. Right. The sensation of your socks touching your toes as your socks are compressed by the heel of your shoe. All that was weird. It was a crazy fucking night. We were barbecued. And then there's his Satanist together, Mary. Like, what are we doing here? This is so crazy. And to watch you perform in front of them, I was like, this is crazy. And by the way, it was like real Satanist. Like that's not the thing. This is like that, because it is a religion and it really was like real Satanist and many of them more. And you know, I just like ever since I like hung out with them, even though I don't [2:22:06] hang out with them anymore, or I saw Zandora and San Francisco, it was nice. But like, I, like, it's just anytime when people are railing against the Satanist, I feel like it maybe it's just semantics. I feel like they're, they're confused regarding like, at least like what that thing is versus demonot, people into hurting people or subjugating people or like hurting people, which I never encountered that. Yeah. Do you think Satan is a real thing? Do you think there is a Satan? Is it a real being? Is it an entity? Or does it represent like the worst aspects of human nature? Does it represent the most violent and vile just instincts that we've adopted or we've inherited rather from our simian ancestors that just had to fight tooth and claw for survival? [2:23:01] And then we've developed this ability to be ruthless and cruel because that's the only thing that keeps you alive and Much that's one of the theories isn't it about why women are attracted to serial killers It's like knowing someone can kill no one something that there's an attraction to that because that that person could protect you and keep you alive in The most dangerous of times because some people just can't. They can't do it. They don't know what to do. The panic, something happens. Ah, they don't fall apart. I'm so glad you're mentioning this because my wife has started reading and she told me I can talk about this on my podcast. I'm assuming it's okay on yours. She started, like remember Harlequin romance. Oh yeah. Okay, So there is a new Evolution of that shit which is the most fucking hardcore BDS them porn there's something called book talk where all the ladies are talking about this shit She's started reading these books now one of the books. She like dude shades of gray. Uh-uh. Don't you remember those days? [2:24:00] Dude, this makes 50 shades of gray look like Dr. Seuss Dude Dude, this makes 50 shades of gray look like Dr. Seuss. Dude. Really? Can I give you like one of the books? And by the way, now she's like, got a stack of these fucking things. One of these books. So in this book, a lady is a thief. And she steals the identity of a shark expert. She fucks him, steals his identity. So the scene I read, she's on the boat with a shark researcher and he's fucking her and he's like just fucking the shit out of her and she loves it. And then, you know what he does? He's like, I know you fucking stole my identity. He kisses her, bites her lip. Bites her fucking lip, draws blood. Takes her to the side of the boat with her bleeding mouth, shoves her head into the water while he's fucking her. So the blood starts drawing sharks to bite her while he's fucking her. [2:25:02] And it's crazy, dude. It's the craziest porn. I've ever read man And like this is like a whole genre now. We've been a really into this. What? Yes, how popular is this very pot they all like they're all let's pull up some of these these titles Stumbled across it. Let me text there and I'll get the name of a fucking shark book. Hold on. Hold on. It's Christ, dude. What is the genre of porn called again? I It's I don't it's called well she says it's something about book. What's let me just ask her? What's the name? Of the shark book Did you one handed text or you or God she makes so much? Yes, yes, I can't do both the hands man. You can't text without your thumbs You only have to text with your index finger. I have to relearn it. Weeley. I'm all do I'm all right, but when did you start texting just with one finger? [2:26:01] God damn it man. I've been doing it forever and Aaron totally makes fun of me for it Because it takes me forever and I just tap it out. Why do you do that? That seems weird Do you remember the time I was on your podcast years ago and didn't know I could put my phone on silent? I'm pitching I got bummed out when Apple took away that switch You just do a switch so you knew it was off you knew it was on vibrate. I know dude I got bummed out when Apple took away that switch. You see that? Oh yeah. Switch. So you knew it was off. You knew it was on vibrate. I know, dude. Yeah. I don't know. They replaced it with a button, but the button gets pressed accidentally sometimes. Got it. A lot of the times. Does it hurt? Does it hurt? Jeez. That's the name of many copies of Does It Hurt Have Been Sold? Do they give out that information? They have to, right? I don't know. New York Times bestseller list. I don't know. I mean, this is in the genre of the, I think we've talked about it, like the Bigfoot porn. Like there's a whole series of Bigfoot, like we're Bigfoot, it's just like, like stealing like women who've been camping. Oh yeah, Bigfoot porn has come to Bigfoot. Yeah, there's a- Come for Bigfoot. [2:27:05] Yeah, there's a whole group of those books. And I guess someone wouldn't get off on the fact of being just savaged by Bigfoot. Yeah, you are Bigfoot eating their fucking pussy. Yeah. And like, do you- Imagine the tongue on that guy? They love it. Oh my god. Wonderful tongue. Do He'd do it. Imagine the tongue on that guy. They love it. Wonderful. He's like your whole head. And they fall in love with him. I have it. I don't blame him. It's a bear. Is there a best self? It was a fucking super dimensional creature. You think he's, you believe in that? The dimensional bigfoot? I think there are states of consciousness that you can reach, whether it's under duress, fear, anxiety, combination of those things, there's psychiatric drugs, psychedelic drugs, but I think there's a place that you could reach where you could see into other possibilities. I think you can see things that aren't necessarily there [2:28:02] in a physical sense, but you're there with them. They're there with you. They don't exist, but you can see them. And it's not a hallucination. It's like you're tapping into like the grain-ness in between universes and between dimensions. You're tapping into this area of weirdness. Yeah. And this area of weirdness, I think, is ghosts. I think this area of weirdness is goblins and things that people see sometimes. I don't think they're real. I don't think anybody's gonna get eaten by a goblin. But I do think that there's too many fucking stories of elves for me not to think that someone reached some state of mind where they saw like a little person in the woods talking to them. Right. And that little person might be real. It just might not be a physical thing that you could put on a scale. They call it the astral realm. You know, there might be something there. Yeah, there's too many stories. The problem is stories being similar as people hear the stories and their imagination takes over and they depict their things similar to the story that they've heard, that's a problem, but like a copycat bullshed artist problem. [2:29:09] But there's also too many stories of elves, man. There's too many of those stories, and there's too many depictions of elves that are dancing around mushrooms. Fucking duh, like duh, like maybe they're real. Like maybe you're being ignorant and so silly and so cocky especially people that have no psychedelic experience right those Babies Yeah, those fucking babies when they talk to you about the damage it does and the danger just while they're fat and out of shape Fuck up. Shut the fuck up. You literally don't know what you're talking about. You have no idea what's possible. Right. You're living in this fucking black and white TV world. And you've been brainwashed. I mean, don't forget that. Like, they went through the war on drugs. They got indoctrinated into this insane anti-suffering. They have to do it. If there are experts in the field, whatever field is represented, like whatever sciences that have to do with [2:30:06] neurochemistry. I got you. You mean the fashionable attitude people who are like trying to protect their careers. I have to. Even though inside they know. So all of the professors who we go to as experts are all compromised, at least in some way, a lot of them, I shouldn't say all of them, but a lot of them. Just like virtue, if you stick your neck out and say I like to use psilocybin, like people are like, what? Well, I mean, you're crazy drug addicts. But dude, like, you know, like, Dublin, he's having meetings in the fucking Pentagon. I think the consciousness has changed. The zeitgeist has changed. And it has because of the internet, So you can hear Terence from Ken Elections. You can hear Alan Watts. You can hear people talking about it. You could watch documentaries on psychedelics. You could see what maps has done. You could see all the podcasts at Doble & Scona. I mean, how many people are we talking about that have been exposed to these ideas that were never exposed to them when we were kids? Yeah, exactly. When we were kids, when we were a loser. And you didn't hear a peep about shamanic rituals and Gordon Watson going down to Mexico and [2:31:11] getting all the mushrooms and you know and doing these ceremonies with these traditional shaman down. You didn't hear any of that. You didn't hear any of that. Nobody knew what the fuck was going on with your kids. They silenced it. They threw water on the biggest, one of the biggest cultural revolutions that's documentable without the use of the internet. And that was the psychedelic revolution of the 1960s. It changed music, it changed movies, it changed comedy, it changed everything, fucking everything. Every single thing got changed and in a radical leap if you look at the 1950s you look at the 1960s like whoa something happened look at the cars got cooler the music sounded better like that's a big Cultural shift and you know we have to thank for that the CIA [2:32:01] Yes, yeah, the CIA experiment it was like the CIA is the reason that all these LSD studies happen. And like, who wrote one flow over the Kukus nest? Kenkeese. Kenkeese apparently was in one of these LSD experiments. So like, and he's just one of many great artists who accidentally got like Liberated mentally by the fucking CIA and you know what I mean? There it is like we want to use this to interrogate people Yeah, and all of a sudden you've got Jimmy Hendrix and they're like wow, I don't expect that Oh my god, and then there's also there's also all these theories about the CIA creating like the whole Laurel Canyon scene, the rock and roll scene. And it's very compelling. It's very interesting. It seems like they were involved. I think they've always been involved in the music business, just like they've always [2:33:01] been involved in the movie business. Like it makes sense. The idea that the music business somehow escaped their grasp. Like shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. That's crazy. Because like who you promote, that's the person that becomes famous. And we've all seen that with like there's been, you know, a milly-vinelli and shit like that. Like it didn't make any sense. Like why are they promoting this? Because they had a product. They're trying to push this product. And there's a lot of money behind that and also a lot of influence, cultural influence. And when they went through all that Vietnam shit with the fucking The Beatles and you remember that? They were like, hey, hey, hey, enough of this Len and Nonsense. Shut the fuck up. All we are saying is give peace to chance. Shut the fuck up. You're making it hard for us to sell heroin. Yeah. We're over there scooping up heroin in the South Pacific and you're fucking ruining everything. Imagine all the people. No, no, no, it's it. Like, yeah, I don't know, man. Like all I know is like, it's like, there, it's a very confusing thing. [2:34:02] If you want to be honest, if you love psychedelics, you owe a thank you to the fucking CIA. Like, because I mean, I don't know for sure, like, I don't know for sure if the 60s as we understand them would have happened. I don't think the CIA was like, hey, let's create a lot of flower children and make people like revalue life and realize that money maybe isn't actually like something you should die for and like go against war but i think like boom wow that that's what happened i mean and we got the unibombered to ha ha a lot of people that came out of that. Here's a question. What, I want you to imagine a world where the sweeping psychedelics act of 1970 never gets installed. It never happens. Somehow or another, either they just don't think it's a priority or it's a different administration. [2:35:04] They're not interested in locking down drugs. Yeah. Because one of the motivations for that in the 1970s was that they were going to target civil rights activists and anti-war activists. That's one of the methods to do it is to turn all these drugs into that everybody was using into Schedule One drugs. All these drugs that made people question society, all these drugs that made people want to tune in, turn on, drop out. All those drugs, we gotta put a fucking kabosh on all these culture shifting drugs. And the wild thing is they fucking did it. That's the wild thing. And that the brainwashing still works today. The brainwashing that they did on these compounds that might be the root of all religious experiences. All these things that you're hearing about in the Bhagavad Gita, all these things you're hearing about in the Bible, these wild-ass crazy stories like what really happened? [2:36:00] Those people might have had a psychedelic experience. And in fact, the thing about that, the University of Jerusalem that attributes the story of Moses and the burning bush to dimethyl trip to me. Yeah. Because they think it might be an occasion bush. Right. And they think they think, well, one of these bushes, it's really rich in DMT. It makes sense. Burning bush, like you smoke it, duh. It's right there in front of your face. Right. And if you take that, and especially if you take that 5,000 years ago, oh my God, you're going to be convinced you're talking to God. God talked to me. It really did happen brothers and sisters. And you tell this story. This is what God told us. This is what we need to do. We need to love each other we need to file laws he gave us a laws a series of laws remember who was it Mel Brooks I have brought you these 15 and he drops one of them 10 10 comments remember [2:37:00] that classic classic yeah well I mean, for sure, dude, I mean, like the, and these, like the consumption of these things has up until recently tended to be underground. Like, if you look at like what's it called? Kaikian, if you look at the, like, it has been weirdly an underground thing. And I think that's what we, that if there is some cool thing that came from us coming up on the war on drugs, it's like when I was taking LSD in high school, in getting like an immediate reality check, which is like you're hearing about this is being like since you are a kid You're gonna go nuts You're gonna like become legally insane whatever the fuck that means and then you take it and You're processing weird shit that happened in your childhood. You're loving yourself [2:38:00] You're looking at the world and seeing it like it's the most beautiful thing you've ever seen You're hearing music that you heard a million times for the first time and you realize oh They're lying. This is wonderful. This isn't madness and if it is madness Then this is the kind of crazy all of us need to go like and and so what but you couldn't tell your parents You wanted to you want to be like mom I think this might help you but you couldn't because you go to you'd be fucked you know right so Five-year mandatory minimum five-year fucking mandatory minimum. They're locking people up Still people in jail right now for this fucking beautiful gift to humanity. And so we got to experience it from the underground perspective, which was mostly horrific. It produces paranoia. You're scared. You felt like a criminal for nothing. So yeah, man, like the, but if you look at the history, [2:39:01] any substance like psilocybin LSD that breaks down the identity that allows freedom from the sense of this is me and that's you and produces at least the potential for merging with reality and with other people, it's not going to work for that fucking hierarchical system. For the hierarchical system to function, you need your below me, your above me. And the moment you're like, we're all the same. Then suddenly the cast system stop working. Classism stops working. The whole fucking thing falls apart, which is why I think that book you gave me, the Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, or you didn't give me when I was living with you. You, actually, I was a dick, I left down the fucking floor. Like, one of the, like, reading materials you gave me during that wonderful time was this insane book about Jesus and Christianity, has its roots and psilocybin. But like, if you, just for the sake of this rant, [2:40:00] if you look at Jesus as psychedelics, it makes a lot of sense because what Jesus is saying is you don't need a priest class to communicate with the divine. You can do it right now anytime you want, any day you want. It's always here for you. That's exactly what the mushrooms tell you. And what happens to Jesus? They fucking kill him. And so it's like the relationship between Centralized power and psychedelics has always been a contentious one right because because the psychedelics just tell you yeah You're okay. That's one of the things they'll tell you maybe maybe you need to fucking like walk your dogs more or whatever But like ultimately you get this realization. I'm okay It's also the power structures that exist with outside cadets aren't possible if everyone's on psychedelics. And then you have ancient Greece, right? So like how did ancient Greece emerge? And emerged because of the Kukion. It emerged because of the people that's doing these Illusini and mysteries. They were learning things about themselves [2:41:00] and the world and they decided to say, it's great democracy. I mean, that's really what it comes from. So that's what's scary. That's what's scary to people that are in power. And also the ignorance. They, we know that they haven't done it. Because if they've done it, they wouldn't be advocating against it. It doesn't make any sense. Unless they've only done it once and then they reverted. Or maybe a couple times. People do revert. One of the things that makes people revert is they get older and they get bitter and they have a done psychedelics in a long, long time and then they become like a shitty Republican when they get older. Well, you know, man, this is the, this is what I, there's this Buddhist teacher I love, Sharon Salisberg. And one of her things I love is the healing is in the return. Meaning, yeah, the way the waveform works is, especially if it's like it's Alex. You get the glimpse of the divine, you forgive yourself, thus forgiving everyone around you, but you experience true compassion. [2:42:00] And then you come down and then you crust up. You know what I mean? You crust the fuck up and now you get crusty and now you're down and then you crust up. You know what I mean? You crust the fuck up and now you get crusty and now you're like starting to get irritable again and angry again and fucked up and like, yeah, and if you don't mitigate that in some way, by like, what is it? What does Bill Hicks says? Squeegeeing your fucking third. If you don't like doing a nice squeegee here and there, then yeah, you do end up crusted over. You do end up like looking back at those ideas you had and staying to yourself. That was highly unrealistic. What the fuck was I thinking? But you know, there's always, that's the thing. It's always, I don't, this is my problem with psychedelics. My problem with psychedelics is psychedelics, they don't, obviously it's a chemical, but what can happen is psychedelics, you become the pre-class. So you take the psychedelic and you think, I'm experiencing this because of the thing. When the reality is the thing is showing you what's in you, it's always there, right? [2:43:04] And so the healing is in the return, it's the moment you realize, oh fuck, it's always there, right? And so the healing is in the return, it's the moment you realize like, oh fuck, it's still here, it never went anywhere. Right, right. And so those crusty ass fucking Republicans, whoever they may be, like just under the fucking surface is that unit of consciousness if you ask me. Yeah, they're just cowards. When if you're that way, if you're authoritarian, whether you're authoritarian left or authoritarian, right, generally speaking, unless you're talking about crime and even then, you're scared, right? Because really, you should be addressing the root of the problem. Yeah. Which is why to so many people from so many very distinct areas keep going into crime and why is there nothing being done to stop that? but Those those people that are authoritarian like in terms of like religious beliefs in terms of behavior the way people dress gaze and public that kind of stuff those people are all scared that comes from a place of being scared [2:44:04] Yeah Like that kind of stuff, those people are all scared. That comes from a place of being scared. The gay people in public is not a problem. Assholes in public is a problem. And if the gay people are nice, you have a great time. If the gay people are assholes, just like if the straight people are assholes, you have a shitty time. It's not a gay straight thing. It's a human being being kind and normal and friendly to people. And that's possible with everybody but people think that all those are the ones that are going to be mean to me and Fuck them. They're responsible. No, those are Individual human beings and you're grouping them together because you're scared you can call it pattern recognition You can call it whatever you want you can call racism. We got whatever you want But all you're doing you're lumping people in together because you're scared. That's it and You should be aware of danger, but to be so scared that you want to control other people's behavior is like a bad sign. That's a bad sign. You know, if you want to tell people what language they can use, that's a bad sign. That sounds religious too. If you want to tell people how they have to dress or what kind of music they listen to. Like this has all been bad always from the beginning of time, [2:45:06] whether it's coming from the left or the right, whether it's fucking the algoor shit that was in the, the typical shit in the 1980s, that was coming from the left. So left-wing politicians are trying to censor rap music. That's the reason why you have those dummies. They created that warning explicit lyrics. That's all anybody wanted to buy. Oh my God. You did not. You did not. You did not. You did not. You did not. You did not. You did not. You did not. You did not. You did not. You did not. You did not. You did not. You did not. You did not. You did not. But the point is it's the same thing, right? It's the same on the left as it does on the right. It's just authoritarians, they're all scared. God, this is so to answer your question, do I believe in Satan? I believe in fear and fear and the devil or the fucking same thing. And it's like this is, if you wanna talk about what Satan is, it's the cloud of fear that lives inside the individual [2:46:04] and then collectivizes in a fearful reaction. And how to frighten people react to things, anger, violence, judgment. And so what's the opposite of fear, man? Love. Love is the opposite of fear. And so this is to me, this is the issue. It's not left right. It's it's that if you are making decisions based on fear more than likely the result is going to create something that makes you more afraid and You know that's just how it works. It just fear leads to fucking fear. It's in the ingredients. It's in the fucking ingredients dude Yeah Fear leads to fucking fear. It's in the ingredients. It's in the fucking ingredients, dude. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you just turn on the fucking light. I mean, Buddhism, this is what they talk about, enlightenment. They talk about like, if you're, if you, if we're in a pitch black room, it could be scary. I don't know what's around me. [2:47:00] There's weird sounds. What what the fuck you ever broken up in the middle of night? Kind of bleary and something that's been in your room forever You can't see it clearly because you're waking up and you're like it's a person. Oh, it's my chair, right? Yes, so so the example this and this is why Satan in mythology is the deceiver because it's not there It's literally not fucking there. The moment you turn on the light, everything's fine. Except in this case, the light is love. The moment that you have the fucking guts to love the person that you're like to really cultivate love. Fuck, dude. No one's scary anymore. You're, you, my kids, you know, you're anyone who has kids knows what I'm fucking talking about. They can do things that are insane. Like to your house, to the walls, to the say things to you that if any adults that it's you, you [2:48:01] might never forgive them. You're gonna think about it for a long fucking time. Like your beard stinks or whatever. You know what I mean? Like you meet somebody like, dude, you're fucking beard stinks. Honestly, I'll probably like you. But you know what I mean? Because we love our kids instantly forgiven. You don't all grudges to get it. Well, it's not just that. They're also, they don't know any better. They haven't And this is why one of my favorite things Jesus said when he's being crucified father forgive them They don't know what they're doing and that's what he fucking meant How much of that do you think is historically accurate? Like how much of the Jesus story do you think is historically accurate when you hear about it? No idea. Don't care. Yeah. I don't care. I just love the story I don't I love the story and I love I love a story about what happened Because you always have to filter through the very real Understanding that we all have about the way human beings tell stories It's hard to know what's bullshit because people just lie about stuff and that's not a new thing [2:49:05] Yeah, so but people also tell the truth about stuff and that's not a new thing. Yeah. So, but people also tell the truth about stuff. That's not a new thing either. People also write down very important things and there are people that are virtuous and there are people that are honest and there are people that are authentic. They've always existed, right? And there's people that are smart enough to understand the value of just being truthful. Right. So those people that encountered something exceptional and crazy, something insane, whether it is the resurrection or whatever it was. Like I would love to know what the fuck they really said. What were the actual words? Why did you write it down? What really happened? How many people were told this story back and forth over hundreds of years before you wrote it down? What was the original story, right? We don't, it's so hard. It's like trying to get a story about the things that George Washington said that weren't written down. Yeah. That weren't written down, you know? Like 300 years ago. [2:50:01] What? How? Well, you, like like so in the same way Fear produces other forms of writing like mine comp You know what I mean, so like it's simatics, you know you take a vibration you throw some fucking flower on a vibrating plate According to the like whatever the frequency is if forms a certain It creates a pattern, right? So like fear, fear always creates a pretty similar pattern, right? And love also creates a very similar pattern. So, like this is the book of John, my favorite book in the Gospels, it starts off within the beginning was the word, but in the word became a person. And so, but that's not really what it's saying. It's like it's a logo. So in the beginning with some fundamental reality, just truth, just basic beautiful fucking perfect truth. And that's what the universe sprang from. And then that truth became a person. So the truth could now talk. [2:51:01] It like it now began to convey itself to other people. And so that truth, that truth, I think, if you understood it enough, you could probably create a set of symbols that would function on many levels that were all good. One level, just basic ethics do on others, what you would have them do under you, blessed are the peacemakers, all of this stuff, right? But then knowing human psyche and the human mind, you could also hide deeper levels of that truth into parables, into like stories that aren't mathematically perfect to the point where the crucifixion, if you look at it from the perspective of two intersecting timelines, which is the infinite and the finite meeting, which is what humans are, then you realize we're all being crucified on time. And then the crucifixion becomes like an existential reality. This is what you want to know while you're feeling fucked up. It's because part of you is forever and part of you is going to die. [2:52:02] And you are fucking hanging on a cross between two thieves, the past and the fucking future. And anytime you're thinking about that, it's stealing the moment. And so like you, there's that level, right? And so any of these great texts like the New Testament, they're coded so that depending on where you wanna go with it, you can go as deep as you want. It's an infinite rabbit hole. And I think that rabbit hole emerged from vibration. I sound like what's his face? The guy I loved him on the Terrence. Terrence Howard? Like idiot Terrence Howard. But like I sound like dumb Terrence. I know he was talking about vibrations and stuff. He's great. But like my point is, if there is some fundamental vibration to love, then that might grow into time in a story. And the story, because it's coming from perfect truth, would have infinite levels to it, that it was alive. The story itself would be alive, which is why they call [2:53:06] the Bible like the living word. It's alive. It's talking to you. It's not a one-way communication. It's like, that's what's scary about it, dude. Read the fucking Bible on my face. You know what I mean? Like, it's probably I was written Would I wish I could read like the ancient versions and the language and understand the language in the context me to because it's not just about Learning the language it would be about understanding the context of the language like it went Imagine if you could really understand ancient Hebrew where the letters double as numbers dude That must be so weird. Yeah, man. And like, that's real. That's the other thing about it is like, the historic Jesus and all that, God, that shit. Like, like, okay, I don't know, but look at the thing itself. Right, look at what it said. Look what, whatever this idea spawned, look what it, look what it means. [2:54:00] Like, look at all the powerful principles that are, that emerge from it. And then I'll look at like the moral scaffolding that it provides for people. Yeah, and then, and then, like, I think the reason people get creeped out by it is because where there's one thing, it's opposite must appear, right? So here's this thing, invite, that is dissolving power structures and dissolving the pre-class and dissolving like all of it. And then you look at like the modern day versions of it and you see the same fucking hierarchy. You see this thing that it seems to be antithetical to, which is like saying like, this is between you and me. Like, suddenly there's people telling you you're wrong interpreting it for you, and you look at that and you're like, fuck that shit, whatever that is, I'm not in it. And it's charismatic people in front of large groups of people that really know how to manipulate people with the way they talk. Yeah. [2:55:01] I mean, this is the thing that was so problematic when they first started translating the Bible into phonetic languages, into languages like German, and when people started like during the Martin Luther days, they were like, what the fuck are you doing? It used to be the priest had to read the Bible because they could read it in Latin. You don't know Latin, so shut the fuck up. Yeah. This is what God wants you to do, do it. Yeah. And Martin Luther's coming along and said, you should interpret this your own way. Yeah. And it's just like, what? So they take it away the gatekeepers to God. That's it. But when you have, it's so crazy that it's such an efficient business, they still run these fucking franchises, even though the book is available everywhere. It's so crazy, like just one person interprets this better than everybody else. So you go and see him and he talks, and they develop egos and they have jets and they have fucking mansions and rolls of voices. It's so crazy that that works. It's crazy that that works when that book is available for everybody and should be interpreted. I mean, you should understand what it means. [2:56:01] You shouldn't interpret it ignorantly, right? Right. But if you're wise enough to be able to in capture what they're trying to say, just capture in your mind what they're trying to say and translate it into a thing that makes sense. You're like, what were they talking about? Yeah. What happened? Is this a map of how the universe was created in the beginning? There was light. Is that a map or is that life itself? Like what is that? What is it in it? What is that? And to me that's like, oh like the Bhagavad Gita, any of these beautiful things. That's what's fun about them is that they, it's producing a kind of like bizarre riddle in your own mind as you're trying to decode it, but then there's a pull. The more you study it, the more you get drawn in. And when you start getting really drawn in, that's when people start appearing around you that help a non-nepharias way. That like you just start meeting people who help [2:57:03] you understand it a little bit more and that's where it gets fucking weird The simulation is fuck around by the way now that we've talked about the Bible can I talk about my new favorite book? Yes, Dianetics You are to this book yes, I heard if you're really good at they put you on a boat an org Yes, I heard if you're really good at it, they put you on a boat, an org. It's an org. You get to be a part of an org, a sea org. A sea org. You get a jacket with some metals. Fuck it, dude. I've sat down this podcast a million times. My favorite Mark Twain quote, religion is what happened when the first con man met the first fool. And then, dude, that's the problem with all this stuff is like this is what the problem is there's too many versions Right so someone's wrong. No, the problem is people don't trust their fucking instincts And it's like drive all blames and no one's self. It's like I'm like this is your nothing that I am seen in the new testament Seems to be inviting you to throw your rational mind away [2:58:04] It's the whole fucking thing is crazy. It's crazy, but it's like the invitation is to like, God gave you your rational fucking mind if there is a God and like anyone telling you to discard that and forego your interpretation for theirs. Dude, watch the fuck out. This is your job. Like just like whatever the fucking thing is, whether it's the Bible, Reddit conspiracy, fucking forechan, whatever the fucking thing is, what are you afraid of? Like how, do you not trust your mind? How weak are you? Are you really afraid to take data in? Do you think you're going to be corrupted by data? Well, isn't it also an identity thing? Because if you identify as the person gets to talk in front of everybody, you're the priest. That's your identity. You're not gonna give that up. Because then you just have another person who reads the Bible. [2:59:01] Yeah, dude. Well, then Mike can go up to tomorrow. Mike's gonna go up Mike's been trying at home Yeah, it's in front of the mirror and he thinks he's ready to priest Yeah, so I want you to let Mike try it tomorrow night Debbie's been reading a lot too and Debbie like try to do this guy's used to getting his jolly's off three four times a week Yeah, telling people but blast with me. Yeah, yeah, and then especially if you like one of them tent Revival guys those wild dudes like Kinnison used to be. Yeah. Just con-harsht. Con-harsht that are also saying biblical quotes, but they're manipulating people. They're really good at talking. They're hypnotizing people with their words, just like you hypnotize a comedy audience. Dude, this is why I listen to Christian radio, man, because like I like that. I like that. No, it's a comic. Listening to sermons and recognizing, like, that's a joke. Like, he's done that a lot. Like, that's one of his gags. Like, I know that's a bit. That's a bit. I know what that is. That's a fucking thing. But, you know, again, it's like section. This is not an example of humanity. It's an example of fucking people who talks [3:00:06] to Plasmaosis who are you doing a new mother fucker? You know, but this is also just an example of you're not going to have everyone be the same. You're going to have people that they'd never learned things well. Look, look, if I got hired to be a part of some mathematical study, I'm useless. I'm not that guy, right? That's, I fucked up that part of my life. I never really learned that. I didn't pay attention. I'm not interested. So that's not me. But someone out there is, right? And to have those two things exist simultaneously. You're gonna have to have an infinite variety of possibilities for human beings. So that's part of the problem. Part of the problem is some people are just out of their fucking minds. And if those people out of their fucking minds [3:01:01] get special rights, like the tax-free exempts status because they're a pastor and they're a fucking psychopath, they're just really good at conning people. And they're running this organization. There might be a guy right down the street that's a real Christian. There might be a guy right down the street that's a really kind person who's really reading the word of Christ and he does it not for profit. He does it to try to like establish the love of God in this community and he takes these people in like their family and his beautiful community aspect to it where everybody's kind to each other is beautiful things to church. That's true too, but the problem is humans, just like the problem with our ability to other each other, just a problem with the ability to attack people on the other side of the political spectrum who live in the same fucking city as you Yeah, like people are fucking rabbit against other people in their town that want to vote for this guy Yeah, they want to do this and this guy wants to do that and fuck you you commie. Yeah, everyone's going crazy Dude, I know it's just a human thing. It's a tribal thing. We are not yet cooked [3:02:03] We're we're a fucking soft boiled egg, baby. And we're running. Where's some eggs you get at the diner? We go, oh, you see that fucking jolat? That's us. That's not all the way cooked. Yeah. And when you eat things that aren't all the way cooked, you got a lot of fucking problems. You're gonna get sick. Yeah, but we're getting cook buddy. We're getting microwave to get AI microwaved in about three years That's right baby the fucking AI Messiah is coming baby We are gonna do a podcast you and I before this thing is done before civilization slides into the ocean again We're we're you and I are gonna do a podcast where we communicate with everyone with no words What's gonna happen? You're gonna do it? I'm gonna do it We're gonna be talking to each other with no words and we're gonna talk to everyone else out there with no words. What's gonna happen? You're gonna do it, I'm gonna do it. We're gonna be talking to each other with no words and we're gonna talk to everyone else out there with no words too. We're all gonna be synced up. It's gonna be a sea of ideas, exposing each other to other ideas and like considering other ideas with no attachment at all to your ego. [3:03:01] It's gonna be super weird. And then you know what's gonna happen? Aliens land. No, we're gonna look around and be like, wait, this doesn't look like the Rogan studio. This is just like some weird fucking room. And then a CIA agent is gonna come in and be like, thank you so much for participating in the experiment. And Trump will be on his fourth term. No, it'll be the 60s. And we We're in a fucking MK Ultra experiment. That's probably true. We've been rambling at each other for like, what feels like a long time, like our whole lifetime. But it was like five seconds. So like, well, okay, thank you for trying out seven, nine BL XY. We really appreciate it. We're in the basement and Harvard right now. Yeah, here's 20 bucks. See ya. And Jolly West is looking at us with a clipboard.