#2083 - Taylor Sheridan

Bro, hey, dude, man. Thanks for doing this man. Thanks for having me. Oh, dude, listen man. I've been a fan of your work for while. The first thing I ever saw that you did was hella high water, but going through the, my friend Andrew Schultz turned me on the Yellowstone. I got a text message from once like one o'clock in the morning like, dude, Yellowstone, have you seen it? Like, no, everybody's watching it. Should I watch it? He's like dude watch it. So I got in the Yellowstone and it goes like Yellowstone is fucking great But 1923 is better but 1883 holy shit and on your recommendation I finished it last night I was up to 130 in the morning. I didn't sleep. I went to bed like four because I was just laying around my house Just thinking about it. Just going what the fuck man? because I was just laying around my house just thinking about it. It was just going, what the fuck, man? That, I don't think anybody has ever nailed that time period like you did. There's nothing close. There's nothing even in the fucking ballpark. Nothing. Well, thanks. I, you know, the reason I chose to do this for a living, I was off to my third college. I was going to go flunk out of. And right before I left, I had read Lonesome Dove, you know, Mercury's book, and then I saw the mini-series with Duval and Tom O'Neill. And I said, I want to do that. I don't know what that is, but that's what I want to do. So I started this an actor first because I thought that's what it was and then I realized I'm not doing that, I'm not creating a story. And then finally, I got the co-owness to quit and ride my own. But yeah, 1883 was me. Yellowstone's the punk rock me, there's a fair amount of, it has no plot, really. Don't take my land. I want your land. Right. And in that I have a lot of opportunities to poke fun, but also kind of point out different points of use and kind of really study Away a life in a world. But there's a lot of defiance in the way that I do it. It's not surprising that critics hate it because [2:08] It's designed for the... Critics hate what they hate y'all stone and confounded by its success oh god get their heads around why it's a little says there's been New York times is done multiple multiple articles where they're doing like this essay on how is this shit so popular oh god that's so funny it's so funny they don't get it 1883 was me growing up saying like, hey, let's take a look back at history. Yeah. Let's look at us and who us is as far as the Europeans who settled this place. And let's not argue about whether they should or shouldn't have. Let's just look at what the hell they went through to do it. Critics are less relevant today than at any time in human history. They really are. They're off so much more than they're on. I agree. And most people don't buy into it at all. If you look at the, like, perfect example is one of Dave Chappelle's specials. [3:00] The Critics score was like 3% of Rotten Tomatoes and then the public score was 97%. Yeah. That's all you need to know. That's all my shows. Who the fuck are you? Who are these people? I have these people that are critics. I have a show called Mayor of Kingston, which is all about literally the decay of an American city. I think it was 21% on Rotten Tomatoes and 94% on audience writing. So of course. So of course bananas and I just don't understand why they're still employed I mean what what is the purpose that they serve other than speaking to other completely disconnected supposedly high brow people that live in congested urban areas that live in congested urban areas. Yeah, and I think also that critics, and I don't know why, but they seem to feel the need to judge any project by how is it looking at the lens through today's new question morality? How is, what should we be making movies about? [4:00] And you can make a shitty movie about something that they support and they're gonna support that movie. But that's not my job. My job as a storyteller is to pick a world and look through the window and not judge it and go Hey, here's what it was. Yeah, and here's the decision some people made and you know for me You know the holy grail as a storyteller is entertain Educate and enlightened don't give anybody answers just lots of questions to think about. That's my job because I can't stand to pay money and have somebody preach to me their ideas. That's the fastest way to get me out of it. That's the reason I hated Forrest Gump and I don't mean to say that. I'm going to put all the shit. But this dottering fucking idiot is the only guy that can figure out the world. Everybody else around him. He's just going to go on a fucking run across America and everyone's going to follow him and that's going to heal the country. I just was like, what is this shit? Well, I think back then it was just, it was novel because it was, the idea was like, the, like it could be so much simpler that this simple guy could figure it out and that we're all so disconnected from the irony as you could make that movie today. [5:05] Oh no way. Because someone would be too offended at the portrayal of Forest Character. Well, my favorite movie that you can never make today is Tropic Thunder. Oh, it's a fucking great movie. I'm so glad they haven't banned it. You know, like they've done so many books like, you know, and Tom Hanks, you know, like if you go and watch his portrayal of Forest Gump, it's nothing compared to the way they do like that simple Jack character in Tropic Thunder. Right? And when he says, he never go full retard, like you can't even say that word anymore. No, but if you look at that movie, which was designed to offend, but also ridicule us taking ourselves too seriously, that's one of our jobs. Yes. You know, it's hey, we're all taking ourselves way too seriously. And if we can make a lot of this and make jokes about this, then all of a sudden, we'll feel so serious and we can be reflective. Well, what's happened in your business is happening in my business too, [6:06] the business of comedy. Comedy movies are dead. They've essentially killed the genre. All the movies that we grew up loving, all the movies like something about Mary and you can go down the line all the way down to Animal House. You could never make any of those movies anymore. And to go one step further, comedians, since Lenny Bruce, these guys, men and women whose job it was to push the envelope as far as it can be pushed to help us look at ourselves. And you think of the greats, like the great comics, Bill Hicks, Eddie Murphy, Sam Caniston, I mean, Robin Williams. And you look at their acts, how look at, look at, what's your name before she did a talk show, Joan Rivers? Yeah. None of their acts would be socially acceptable today. And I don't know that they were socially acceptable then, [7:01] but that was their job, Richard Pryor. You couldn't say 90% of what he said. Yeah, but you need people to sit there and push those boundaries, because art to one person to fence it to another, but you got to have it. You got to have it all. Yeah, we say, you know, in the comedy world, we say we're the last line of defense, because this is where the woke meets the wall. The woke meets the wall with stand-up comedy. You can't have woke comedy, it sucks, it's impossible. You can't always punch up and cater to everybody and say, no, that's not what's funny. What's funny is the fucking weird things that people do and all of our hypocrisies and all of our contradictions and all the chaos about being a human being. If you want to never make fun of marginalized groups or never make fun of protected classes or never make fun of anybody that's downtroddened or disassociated or disaffir- Well, you can't do that. You can't, that's not stand-up comedy. Stand-up comedy has to be everything. It has to be everything that's funny, [8:01] regardless of whether or not it's socially acceptable to make fun of those things. And I think that we need to, it's healing to laugh, right? Yeah. It's healing to, and by the way, if we're going to talk about race relations, who are some of the people that help push that, who help people understand how you felt on, you know, how in the world when I'm 14 years old and I'm supposed to know how it feels to be African American in LA. How am I going to know that growing up in a small town in Texas? But then you see a comic who's from South Central LA, make jokes about me, make jokes about living there and you get some understanding of it. You have some empathy, you have some some knowledge. Well, we're in a weird time where everybody has a say and I don't think everybody should be able to talk. It's like, I mean, everybody should be able to talk, but through social media, that gets just broadcast in mass to the world. And you get these groups of people that they huddle up in these fucking echo chambers and they do get out. I think we have what's happening right now. [9:03] And it's privilege. It's from a coddled, this is the wealthiest nation, society, and the history of civilization. And people are so coddled that they have confused feelings with rights and your feelings being heard as a violation of your rights and it's not. Yeah. You do not have a right to never be offended. It's worse than that. They've confused hurting your feelings with violence. They literally say words or violence. Yeah, disagreeing with someone as violence. You've never seen real violence then. You're talking nonsense. Somebody said something once and ever repeated it many times when it's a great thing to say. The worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happening. Even if you just, the worst thing that's ever happening, you got a flat tire. Oh my God. If you had a bunch of shit happening, you get a flat tire, I guess I got to change my tire. It's no big deal. But if you're living this fucking sheltered life and the worst thing that's ever happened is you're a dude in a dress and someone misgenders you. You know, like, oh my God, this is violence. Like, no, this is [010:05] not violence. You're a fucking guy in a dress and it's confusing, man. It's fucking confusing. If you want me to call you a girl, I'll call you a girl. But this is confusing. This is fucking confusing. Well, there's not violence. The other thing is they'll say now, if you disagree with someone, you're phobic. Yeah. When a phobia is in a rational fear of something. Right. So disagreeing is not in a rational fear, it's disagreement. Right. And we've reached a point where people won't, they can't even have a conversation because someone's gonna sit there and scream as soon as you hear violence or you hear them the conversations over. Right. Your racist, your transphobic, your homophobic, whatever you are, conversations over. They've minimalized everything, they've marginalized your position. It's interesting. It's terrible for comedy movies though, but it's really fun for comedy though. For stand-up comedy, it's actually fun. Are they running with it? Oh my god, we're having a great time. It's like, my friend Ari said it best. He said, this is a really great time for comedy because comedy's dangerous again. [011:01] Because comedy didn't used to be dangerous for a long time. There's a lot of shock comics that were kind of, they were saying things just to be shocking, you know, and I certainly did that earlier in my career. And now, like, if you have, you have a position to defend, if you're going to go on on a limb, you're going to make fun of something that's dangerous, you got to have that shit tight. It's got to be good. gotta be rorious, huge laughs. It has to be, it has to be something where people go, oh shit, I care. Like Dave Shapell's the best example that when he goes after something, whatever it is, it's just so goddamn funny that even though it's supposed to be something you're not supposed to talk about, it's so good that everybody has to back off, except the critics, of course. But what makes Chappelle so good and so funny is he's gonna say things that from a point of view, is true, like it's rooted in some logic. And he's smarter than about anyone who's gonna oppose him [012:01] and he's thought through his position so completely. He can defend it, you can disagree with it. Yeah. But you can't say he doesn't have an opinion and it's not grounded in facts or at least well thought out ideas. Yeah, he's hammering that shit out every night too. He's a fascinating guy, the way he's doing it. He literally will fly into a city. He doesn't even book shows. He flies into cities and just shows up at clubs and goes on after the show's over. Yeah, or pops in in the middle of a show. Like he's done it to me before. I was in Denver once and he just showed up. I got off stage and I went into the greenroom and I go, what's up? What are you doing, man? He goes, oh, hey, Joe. And I go, what are you doing here, man? He goes, I need you to use a towel. I thought I'd stop by. I go, you want to go up? He goes, should I? I go, fuck yeah. So I literally went out and stopped the audience. Everyone's leaving. The show's over. They were like, paying their tab, going home. And I go, yeah, let everybody on the stairs. Tell them to come back. Dave Chappelle's here. out. So he just goes around and just fucks around and then slowly hammers these bits out until [013:07] he gets them to this like bulletproof form and then he puts them out on a special. Wow. Yeah. It's fun. It's a fun time for stand-up comedy but it's literally the only thing that you can do without a committee because if you're gonna do a movie you're gonna have to have actors, you're gonna have to have writers, you're gonna have to have executives, studio heads, all this shit, there's a lot of people that have their say in what's happening, or at least have a conversation about it. There's no conversation. What stand up? It's literally just you. It's one person, how do I make fun of this? What is, what's my angle on this? And then you work it out, you put angle on this and then you work it out you put it together and then you present it in front of people and if they laugh It's good and if they don't laugh it's not good and you got to figure out how to make it work now that's about the That's about the ballsy start form. It's just pure you were all along. Yeah, it's pure [014:01] I love it and my club out here what I also love is that we make everybody put their phones in a bag. So instead of fucking taking pictures, everything and filming everything, just be there. Just be there. Put that goddamn thing away. The phone's in a locked up in a yonder bag, the phone's off. Just experience a human moment. Have a good time. I know a couple of guys that went to your club last night, they called me when I'm driving up today. They said, if you've been to his club. I said not yet. They said and they're from LA an agent from LA He said they say things in there. You can't say in LA Comedy as it was a funny. This is hilarious funny thing I've ever seen every one of them. Yeah, well, that's what supposed to be You know and you Louis CK said we built an alamo. That's what he said. He says, essentially, because you've built the comedy Alamo. He goes, we're in a war with the cyber world and he goes and you built us an Alamo. Wow. Yeah. But that's, when I came out here, and there wasn't really a comedy club and all these other comedians were moving out here because this is the only place we could do stand up, it was during the pandemic. It's like all the pieces fell together perfectly. [015:06] It was like the universe opened up door after door at every step and then all of a sudden we're here. And there was like 15 of us. And we're working in these like little rock and roll clubs and EDM clubs and we're doing stand sold out shows and the rest of the country is completely shut down. You can't even do stand up indoors. And they all heard about Austin that we were all out here and then Ron White's like, you got to open up a club. And so it's like, okay, let's open up a fucking club. And then we bought this building and started, we actually had a building that we bought before that was owned by a cult. Really? Yeah, there's a documentary on the cult called Holy Hell. You should watch it. Pretty crazy. This guy came from West Hollywood and right after Waco, when the Cult Awareness Network started cracking down all these cults after Waco burned down and the feds killed everybody, they moved out to Austin. The cult member, the cult leader changed his name, got a new name, moved to Austin, and built a theater [016:03] so he could dance in front of his followers. And that was the theater I bought. Just started clubbing. Wow. Yeah. So my cousins were the federal marshals in Waco and they knew Krow. And they had told the ATF. They said we were just there three days ago. Like they could be whatever they are, but they're permitted up. And they were driving down I-35 and he looked up and saw these three choppers and he knew exactly what was going on. And by the time he got to the Koresh compound, those guys had already been killed. But he knew David and he went up to the, oh, maybe it was a week or two later. I can't remember how long they held up in there. But he said, let me just go talk to Kuresh and see if I can get these women and kids out. And he didn't. He walked up, knocked on the front door and took like 30 of them out. Wow. Before they just torched that place. Yeah, they did torched that place and they denied doing it too. There's video footage of the tank driving right there. [017:03] What does? Drive it in video footage of the tank driving right now what does driving in and shooting flames into the buildings they just fucking lit everybody on fire yeah fuck you know I don't even know what started it it was no it was like one fed showed up and then they got shot at or something something happened well I know four were killed in the first when they went to hit that place I think like nine got shot I know we could pull it all up and look. But you know, at that time there was this big panic about malicious. Because at the same time you got Ruby Ridge happen right around the same time. You had all these in the FBI was just getting kind of ATF, kind of getting spanked in spots. They were trying to clean up their image or prevent whatever. And that was their mission to sure, was like get rid of all these militias. Yeah. And, you know, surprising little overreach on the governments. Little overreach, but also like every cult [018:00] starts the same way. Seems like a good idea. We're gonna do things right. We're gonna, what's wrong with society? Let's fix it. Let's all commune together. Well, they all start like this. First, you need a, you need a, like a gym morsel and a Jason looking, right? Want to be rock star actor. Yes. Right. He's so wildly narcissistic and yet charming that he can convince him shit like, I need your wife. Yes. But I need you here to do the garden. Yes. And then he becomes his own god. Uh-huh. And he's going to pick a date where all the shit's going to go wrong. Uh, the world's going to end and I'm going to show you salvation. That day's going to pass. And then we need another problem. Until they wing that out and get a bunch of machine guns. The guy out here, his name was Jaime Gomez. And he was a gay porn star and a hypnotist. That was the guy who started, so how do you think that worked out? So one guy in like 2000 or the early 2000s sent out, he left the cult and sent out a mass email [019:00] that was like, hey, this guy's been hypnotized being fucking me for the last 10 years. And then everybody was like, I thought it was just me. That's the guy. But when he was young, what do you wanna say? It looked like a model. Oh, when he was young, he was beautiful. He was beautiful, he had like a chiseled body. He was a yoga instructor. I think that's how he started. He was an actor. Rosemary's Baby, he was like an extra and Rosemary's Baby. But when he started the cult, it really just kind of started out as a yoga class and he was very charismatic and convinced these people that there was a different way to live. And just like that, I'm sure you've seen wild, wild country. You've never seen that? Oh my God, it's fucking amazing. It's a Netflix series about this cult that took over a town in Oregon. Yes, I do know this. Yeah, and they poisoned everyone in the town. They shipped in homeless people so that they could vote. So they took homeless people and they brought them into the cult so that they would be a part of the community and they could vote. And then they just took over the fucking town. And then once they did that, they kicked the homeless people out and it's it's a wild if I wrote that screenplay people would say [020:06] that's ridiculous yeah yeah there's a lot of those oh yeah oh yeah there's a lot of those well that's the craziest thing about 1883 is that you don't have to do any dramatic embellishment there's not doesn't have to be any any with the truth. It's that is literally what went down. Those people literally came here. They knew, you were telling me on the phone that what percentage of the people that made the track across couldn't even speak English? You know, it's something like 40%. You know, they used to come in from, they would come into, and of course, what our government was doing was we needed people for a multitude of reasons after the Civil War. So many of the workforce have been killed. You know, 1.0 million soldiers died that we know of. We don't know how many other civilians. [021:01] So we needed people. We needed people to settle the West because Manifest Destiny basically said, hey, you know, there's all this land we bought from, whoever we bought it from, France, I guess, the Louisiana Purchase. And we can't settle it because every time we try the Lakota or the Comanche, kick the shit out of us. So we should send a bunch of central Europeans and Eastern Europeans over there and let them get in the middle of it. And so in all of these, and you can look up if you were to put it into the computer, you can pull up all of these pamphlets they would put out and ads they would put out and newspapers and Romania and Norway obviously Ireland did it everywhere. Germany and said come free land. Come get your free land. And when I started researching it You know there were people that would come from areas where it was against the law to swim They were not allowed to swim. Wow. There weren't no one knew how to swim It was against the law to swim. It was against the law to swim [022:02] That seems so insane what really struck so insane, what really struck me. I did a lot of thinking about that show last night. I ended my binge. I ended the binge at like two o'clock in the morning. And at nighttime I do some of my most fucked up thinking because everyone is asleep in my house. It's just me and I generally do most of my riding when everyone's asleep. And I was just thinking that's 140 years ago. That's nothing. I'm 56 years old. When I was in high school, it was in 1983. So that was 100 years ago. I was a sophomore in high school. So I was 100 years as nothing. 100 years before that, you make your way across the country on a fucking wagon and you get free land. 100 years, that's so short a period of time. It's so hard for us to really appreciate how recent that is and how fucking insane [023:03] the change in this country over such a short period of time has been Medi-York. I just read something in the last day or two that and I'm gonna get it wrong but 1937 Is closer to 1984 than 2023 is 84 or something like that Yeah, if you think about the gap between 1984 and 2023 and then what 84 was like, I was alive, you were alive to now. It doesn't seem like that dramatic a change. Obviously there is internet, but you still had cars, you had phones, you couldn't take them with you, but you had them. But 1937? We haven't even, we haven't even made penicillin yet. Right. That's just 40 years. Yeah. Trench warfare. Yeah. Yeah. World War One. No, these, these, they came over here. They didn't speak the language. They knew nothing about the land, knew nothing about the water. [024:01] Had no, it did, by the way, you can be rest assured it did not say in that advertisement in the romanian times there's other people who already live there who will kill you when you show up and that mentioned any of that they didn't hear about the indians so they got to gauvinist and you know they're buying their supplies you need a gun what would you need a gun well the Indians though we talk about who are Indians well you're gonna find Yeah, that was a part of Empire of the Summer Moon, you know, that these folks had just established these homesteads and had no idea. And the command she would show up and just slaughter them. They had no idea. They had no idea that there was even a concern. And they had to figure it out along the way. Yeah. And you it in that book, and from a military standpoint, it's such just an impressive achievement that Nikona decided he was gonna raid all the way to Galveston. And he marched through Bern Dostin when all the way to Galveston. Everybody got on their boats, went out on their boats and watched him burn Galveston. [025:02] And then they went in and looted all the stores and found these parasols. You know, you could sit there and block the sun. And the commandeer thought, that's the frickin' smartest thing. I wish we'd had fabric to do that with. So all the braves took these parachutes. And when they rode off, there's thousands of commandeers warriors with parasols. All these different colors, blocks getting the sun off their shoulders Running away with umbrellas. Yeah, that's insane. But what what a terrifying visual. Oh, yeah Oh, I mean I had no idea Until I read Empire the Summer Moon and then out of the author come in. What is this thing again? SG Gwen S is that it? Great great fucking guy and he found out when he moved to Texas. Like he moved here and then was researching Texas history. S. Seaguen. And when he moved here and he was researching Texas, then he was like, oh my God, like how do I not know about all this? How do I not know what this happened? [026:01] How do I not know about the Texas Rangers and how they were established and why they needed them and what what went down. Yeah, it was the it was the Wild West. Yeah, well, it's one of the reasons why Texas is such a crazy place. It's like this was kind of the last stand. Yeah. And Texas was its own nation for, you know, 14 years, 13 years. And it's still, you know, that independence is still pretty embedded in it. Did they want to put it back on the ballot this year? Every year. This experiment hasn't worked. Yeah. Well, what's crazy is when you think about the United States only being established in 1776 and how recent that is in human history, but the idea of a new country being established today seems insane. Like there's no one in possible. No, it's not going to. You know, there's part of Oregon wants to succeed and join Idaho. There's a section up there around Humboldt County and up in that area in California. They want the same thing. [027:00] And it's understandable because you have people who, you know, you take the Eastern half of Oregon, virtually all of them are in some form of agriculture. Right. Right. They're ranching or they're farming or they're doing something. Same with that part of Northern California. You're in timber, you're growing something, whether it's wheat or whatever you're doing something agricultural. And then you come to these big urban centers and where people do not understand where their food comes from. Right. I read an article, this is when I lived in LA as an actor, and there was some uproar. Some cheerleader had gone hunting and killed a deer or something. And the picture made it in the paper or somehow made it somewhere. And there was this massive people went nuts and I'm flipping through the paper and I'm reading the letters to the editor that's kind of there in the front and they were all about this girl and there's a picture ever and one of them said that all [028:03] hunters should be killed. How dare they go out and kill that animal? Why can't they just go get their food at the grocery store where it's made? No, someone got mad enough to write that letter and wrote it and re-read it and sent it. And then it was printed not from a sense of irony from the paper I doubt. And I remember thinking, God, people don't even know where it comes from They have no idea what it takes to put food on a table any kind of food. No, I don't care if you're vegan or not But it's all been given to you and all you have to do is work and then spend your money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've had conversations with people while they're eating meat saying I can never hunt. Like, I don't know how you do it. Like, what are you talking about? You're eating meat. You just hired a supermarket hitman. Yeah. Like, you just exported the execution. Yeah, it's, it's, we're so detached. And that was why it was fascinating to watch this massive uptick during the pandemic where [029:03] the food supply got cut off for a while and you know, it was very weird and A lot of people got into hunting a lot of people got interested in it. There was a big uptick or started to or started to Want to take some responsibility some kind of control Whether they get chickens in their backyard whether they come to a ranch and There's plenty of places where you can buy it direct to consumer. You know, when that hit me, I've got three steers, two deer in the freezer. I've got 60 chickens, I've got a greenhouse. I didn't miss a beat. Yeah, well that's the way to live if you could. Most people are like, well, I know how everybody can move that way. Right, figure out how you can move that way. Right. Figure out how you can. Yeah, you can. You can't. I did it in LA. Did you? For five years, I went. Everything I ate was wild caught. Or it was grown from, I bought it from the farm if it was the vegetable or fruit. And in, in, in LA, it really wasn't that hard to do. [030:02] Farmers markets and stuff. Farmer's markets for heck you could even get, you know, you could go get wild caught fish at the farmer's market. Right. You could go get what farm grew this. Well there's your kale or whatever you want. It's all right there. It was actually not that difficult and I'd come back to Texas and hunt for a weekend and that was by, you know, go shoot three deer and that's a year's worth of food. Three animals for a year. Yeah, yeah, that's that's best case scenario if you can pull that off. But most people are just so disconnected from it and so connected to the urban world where no one's growing anything. Everything has to be brought in by trucks. I was reading this story, it's a book called, Disolving Illusions, and it's all about the introduction of vaccines, and it's about the pandemic diseases of the early 20th century. And they were talking about just the horrific conditions that people lived in, in these urban cities before cars, because there was no buses. So how are you getting food? How are you getting vegetables? [031:01] How are you getting all these things into these cities? These people lived with terrible nutrition, basically starved in death, living in places where there's outhouses that were shared by thousands of people. Everyone's stuffed in these tenement buildings. They're all breathing congested air. Everyone's getting diseases. There's no drugs to treat them, no antibiotics to treat them, and everyone's fucked. Yeah. Yeah. No, you know, these, and it's been that way, by the way, for 1200 years, as soon as massive urban areas, as soon as they sprouted up, I mean, look at the plague. Yeah. That's what that is. That's where it comes from. That's a fleeborne illness That you get because you're living in such close proximity to rats. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and why are there so many rats? Well, because there's that much vermin and filth and [032:07] Waste for them to feast on. Yeah, I mean it's nature's way of balancing things out nature's like well This is a fucking problem. Whatever you guys are doing here is not the way to do it. So, how fun with this? Yeah. Yeah. It's also with the Native Americans, you know, look at the Comanche, you look at any of them. It was the disease. You know, when from the first pilgrims, all these things that the Europeans brought over, I mean, it just decimated, I think, cholera killed 60% of the Comanche. Yeah, they said that 90% of the people killed in North America were killed by diseases. 90% of the Native Americans. Yeah. Yeah. And that story hasn't been told properly. And that's what I really appreciated about 1883. It's like, you talked about, I mean, this was like the end of the Native American Empire, essentially. This was when there were still a little bit of Buffalo left, there were still, you know, there moving Indians to reservations than the Indians that were out, they were resisting it, you know, and it's just, and then these people were trying to make their way in this fucking wagon train across the kind of, what percentage of those people died that were [033:04] trying to do that? I mean, I don't know that there's any, anywhere along the Oregon Trail, you can drive along, or, you know, there's markers just everywhere, everywhere. And especially the further up you get into Wyoming, and the further you start getting through like the land or cut off in South Pass, then they're just, and that's the ones that you know that got a marker. Yeah. So it's how do you know? Right. You know the hand card the Mormon church brought a lot of people out and they didn't have a lot of money enough money to give them full wagons even though that's what they promised and so they made these hand cards that people would pull from wherever they took off from somewhere in Ohio to try and get to Utah. And so these people pulled them by hand. They put their wife and their gear or their kids or whatever and then they'd pull them. These two wheeled carts, like chariots without a horse. And one winter they left too late and got caught in the winter and the whole trick was if [034:03] you didn't make it to the certain spot in Wyoming by July 4th, you were not gonna make it, you were gonna get caught in the past and you're gonna die. And something like 25,000 people died in one year. Fff. Just mind numbing statistics. Insane. Insane. And it's so interesting that the early films on the West, they never covered that. The early films on the West were like these really sort of shallow surface films that worked fun movies, you know, Cowboys versus Indians, the spaghetti westerns and that kind of stuff. But no one had any sort of real understanding of what actually went down. No, you didn't, the notion of getting free land that you could go farm with, by the way, nothing. You're going to go somewhere with nothing. Like there's those stores, you're going to have to make everything. You have to figure it all out on your own. [035:03] Who would choose that? Not a successful blacksmith. Not somebody that's got a nice comfortable home in Maryland or wherever. And why would you do that? You have to have no other option. Right. All the people that came over from whatever European nation they came from, they didn't come for an adventure. They came because they were fucking starving. My family came over from Ireland because of the potato famine. They didn't, they didn't want to. They had to. Right. They were dying. So they had to come. So that's why everyone came. Desperation. Desperation is what settled the West. Fueled by a manifest destiny, which was a cruel, very cruel, you know, insidious idea that a bunch of politicians had that says, hey, we can either send the army out there and just go to war. And we've been doing that and we've been getting the shithanded to us because the Lakota were until the repeating rifle came around the Lakota and the Kamehchi, the Arapahoe, even the southern, we did not have their skill level on a horse. Their arrows were actually more effective than our single shot muskets, [036:06] like they were a superior army and stayed that way. It wasn't until we started sack and villages when the braves were gone, when their soldiers were gone, when that dirty shit started, then it started turning to the tide and then when we killed the food source, that was the end of it. Yeah, which is part of the wiping out of the buffalo. I mean, it was a commodity for sure, but it was also, there was a concerted effort to cut off their food source. It was, but it was also, you know, there was a demand. The buffalo tongue was the number one delicacy in New York City. And that crazy? And the tongue. And the tongue. Which nobody wants anymore. I don't know. And then they sold all the, they sold all the buffalo skins to France. And they made giant massive silly ropes. Well, at one point in time, the richest man, one of the richest men in the world was he dealt in beaver peltz. Yeah, I don't doubt it. There was fucking beaver everywhere. They wiped out most of the beaver in this country. Yeah. [037:03] You know, but they've come back. Yeah, they've come back, but not nearly to where they were. No, but they've come back. It's pretty impressive how much they've come back. And it's a pretty keystone species. So wherever they are, they build enough dams and they create a pond, creates a wetland. Have you ever eaten beaver? No, it's good. That's what I hear. Stephen Ellicott was a delicacy. Yeah, the tale's disgusting. We ate the tale, it's just all fat. They just were starving and they needed fat. Maybe we didn't cook it right, but Renella cooked it as best he could, but he made like a pot roast out of the beaver or hams. Yeah, it was very good. It was like really good beef. It was delicious. It was surprisingly good. Like not like, oh, I could eat this, but like, I want more. It was fucking great. It was really good. Yeah. No, I think the most exotic thing I ever ate, and it wasn't. It was kind of a similar, I'm eating what their servant situation is on this ranch outside of Stanford, Texas, and they, they, we barbecued up a bunch of armadillo. How was that? [038:09] I was so frickin hungry. It seemed good to me. You know, this is well before I knew they had leprosy Checked everything I'm good. I'm 40 years in and I'm fine. Is your temperature you have to kill kill leprosy at we cook the food to like Trichonosis Well, look when you smoke you smoke it for like 12 hours, so I think anything kills everything What is this what is armadillo tastes like? It kind of tastes like pork really. Yeah, like habalina then yeah. Yeah, which is tastes a lot. Well, they even look like pork Yeah, well, they are pork. They're a peckery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, cousin of pig. Yeah, some somewhere Yeah, cross bread. I think with the pharaoh hogs a bunch. Oh, how they really I think I shot one last year and it turned into chorizo. It's edible. Yeah, it's not great. Yeah, but it's a thorough hog. I'm not, you don't want to eat those firsts. I've eaten a lot of barrel hogs. Yeah. I shot one at the home, turned into sausage. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. Those things were a about here. Oh my gosh. And the destruction that they that they reap on the on the ecosystem. [039:06] I mean, that's the reason the Bob White quail population is just plummeted. Rattle snakes have stopped rattling because of the hogs. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. One of the first things that happened when I moved out here is Ted Nuget invited me to shoot hogs from a helicopter. I guess I've been Texas. I guess I've been Texas. Welcome. Come shoot hogs out of a helicopter. I've just gone in them down. Have you ever seen a pork ellipse now? No, but is that with the... A pork ellipse now? No, a pork ellipse now is Ted Nugent and this guy that calls himself Pigman, who has a show on one of the sportsman's channel, the outdoor channel. They shot like 250 plus pigs in an afternoon and they all did it out of helicopters. And it's like, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, it's fucking, it's insane. [040:01] You watch it like, how is this legal? Like, I guess it's legal because you have to do it that way. They have so many pigs. Like here it is. This is the porkloops now. It's all slow mows of headshots. That's pig man. That's the other thing. I got guys scattered everywhere. All on dead digs, got them. Loan them in rangers, taking them, feed them. A whole lot of people. That's the other thing, the hunters for the hungry. I mean, they're just, they, Yeah, that's a really good, it's an amazing program. Yeah, they shoot an incredible amount of these pigs and then feed them to people. And it is good, man. There's a guy out here named Jesse Griffith who owns a great restaurant called Diedue in Austin and he runs a school where he teaches people how to hunt. He teaches them to have first-have-shoot rifles, then how to hunt, then they hunt hogs, teaches them how to butcher them and cook them. And he's an amazing chef. And this guy, I mean, if you think that wild hogs [041:03] taste like shit, talk to this guy. And- Cause he'll knock it out. Oh my god. Oh my god. Some of the best meals I've ever eaten in my life. He cooked diver duck, whichever he says they're disgusting. I've only had it once. Yeah, I've only had it once from him. Cause they say that diver ducks eat all the shit that's at the bottom, all people say they taste disgusting. He cooked it. It was one of the best foods I've ever eaten in my life Yeah He just knows how to do it right. He's like it's not that these things taste bad It's as people don't have the knowledge of how to prepare them correctly well if you think about it, you know You can go to any gun store Or pawn shop and buy a 30-year- rimmington 700 with a scope on it for 400 bucks. Box of bolts is going to cost you $30. License is going to cost you $35. You can go shoot a hog, you can go shoot a deer, which someone's got to manage them, the ecosystem [042:01] is demolished so there's nothing else doing it, so they're just gonna overpopulate in disease. And you can create a year's worth of meat for 600 bucks. Yeah, it's incredible. And then next year you cut it down to 300. And then the next year you cut it down to 150. Yeah, and it's fun. Yeah. Yeah, it's fun thing to do. Yeah, and it's a very satisfying. You're taking responsibility for your own food? Yeah, and still there's people that think there's something wrong with that. But that's how disconnected society is. Well, that's the look. I think one of the most absurd positions anyone can take is they're a vegan for an ethical reason. It's preposterous. You could do it for a medical reason, even though I don't know what that reason would be, but maybe you can't process meat, you can't process proteins like that. But to do it for an ethical reason is absurd. And the reason I say that is, I have plot of field. It is carnage. It is 12 feet of carnage. And every single plant that you eat is going to be tiled into the ground in some capacity. [043:04] So you're going to kill everything. And we just let that field famous conversation that Kevin Costner has. I wrote that's why I wrote it. Because people have to understand you have to take ownership. That same thing Ted Nugin has said this on this podcast. He said, if you want to kill the most things, become a vegan. Yeah, 100%. If you're thinking about individual life, if you don't think that one life equals one life, if you think that small things aren't as valuable as large things, that's a totally different discussion, and that's a weird discussion. But if you think that all life is sacred, well, what about the lives of the ground nesting birds, fawns, what are the lives of rodents, insects, all those things are getting demolished. The average organic avocado farm in Central California is going to kill on average around 19,000 ground squirrels a year. That's not counting the billions of bees [044:02] because they're gonna bring the bees up from Brazil to pollinate the trees and then they're going to fucking die. They're not sending them back anywhere. They're not keeping them. They're going to spray with some organic, which is probably just like compressed cayenne pepper. They're going to spray the trees. They're going to kill every bug, every plant, everything. All you got to do is drive I-5 through the Joaquin Valley. And you won't see, you'll see plenty of almonds, you'll see plenty of all these different groves, you won't see any birds, you won't see anything else. They fucking killed them all. Yeah, that's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow that think they're doing something that's ethically correct. Well, if you look anywhere in the ecosystem, take man out of it. Virtually everything is living at the expense of another organism. To the degree that if a certain weed grows up over the grass, it's coming to grass. The tree grows up, this little sapling grows up over the grass, it's killing the grass. The grass grows up before the weeds, it kills the weeds, kills the flowers, kills this. [045:02] If everything is in competition with everything else, there is not a vegan fish, there's not a vegetarian fish. Every single fish, every frog, they are eating, they're eating another organism to survive. Every one of them. And that's what we did for as long as whenever we split from apes, that's what we did. Apes still do it. They talk about how they eat fruit. They eat fruit so they get to hold those little frickin' pans or monkeys. Yeah. And then they go to town, those chimpanzees. They didn't even know about that until that David Attenborough documentary. Yeah. You ever see that one? Yeah. They're eating the monkeys in the trees. Oh, dude, they go to war. Yeah, if you've seen chim nation. No, that's another great Netflix series. Yeah, fuck Incredible they they kill each other the they and I asked the guy go how often they kill monkeys He goes we really didn't show how many times they killed monkeys because they did they do it so often. Oh, yeah I mean it's literally their preferred food. Yeah, they're gonna eat the leaves and the fruits and everything so they need that protein. Yeah, they eat the fruit because it's easy. [046:05] Yeah. But if they can find monkeys, they go after monkeys. Yeah. And they eat them alive. They just start chewing on them. There's a video of this monkey screaming while this chimp is eating them from the hips down. Just whaah. You see his little face and just looks so much like us to watch them just just get eaten alive by a champ who also looks a lot like us is just so fucked. Yeah. That's that's the real nature. That's not vegan nature. That's not this bullshit utopian artificial paradise that people have created in their mind that they're doing if they're eating vegan. It's just not true unless you're growing all of your own food in your yard unless you have a contained environment where you're composting and using mulch and you're making sure that everything that you grow you're picking it yourself you're just fencing it off to keep squirrels meeting it. If that's not the case you're involved in murder. [047:00] But even then even then you don't think you're going to have a what happens when the grasshoppers come. Right. And they'll get through that fence. Oh, yeah. And they'll get through your crops. You have to kill the grasshoppers. You can kill the grasshoppers and then what are you going to do when the squirrel gets in? You can't fence off your trees. Yeah. So what are you going to do? Well, Are you going to come up with a way to or you're going to run the squirrel off? Okay, well then you just killed it because you ran it out of its habitat. So it just dies a slower death. Yeah. So you don't we don't get to exist without another organism fueling our existence. Period. I know it's such a hard thing for people to accept. Well, I think it's because they're so dissociated. You know, I talked about it in Wind River at the very end when he's given the speech to. I don't know if you've seen that one or not. I didn't. Okay. So, this guy, it takes place in the wilds of Wyoming. [048:00] And there's a young woman who's an FBI investigator and she comes and she's investigating the death of a Native American woman culminates in a big gunfight and and she gets wounded but she doesn't She doesn't die. He visits her in the hospital Jeremy Brenner's character who's from this area And he says you know luck doesn't live in the wilderness It lives in the city You know whether or not Your car is the one that gets car jacked, whether someone's on their cell phone when you're walking through the crosswalk, that's luck. But out here, you survivor, you surrender. You know, wolves don't kill unlucky deer, they kill the weak ones. Yeah. And that's the reality. That's the reality of our life. When you can walk from your condo to aero on And buy your 19 dollar almond butter. Yeah, and never ask yourself now I can tell you I can tell you exactly right now How much water it takes in a state with no water to make one almond right takes three gallons [049:04] Yeah, so if you want to amort it out one almond takes three gallons and how many almonds make one almond right it takes three gallons yeah so if you want to amort it out one almond takes three gallons and how many almonds does one almond tree have ten thousand will do the math it's nuts do the math nothing comes without there isn't expense nothing makes me crack up more than the stop oil people when they're blocking the highway with clothes made with oil. Like they have this is this is one of my like it's fucking insane. I'm making a TV show about this right now. Yeah called Landman with Billy Bob Forten. Oh wow. About the oil industry and about energy. I love Billy Bob that's a gangster. I love that dude. Gangster. He's great great and doesn't give a fuck does not give a fuck and he was great in 1882 oh yeah he's great I love that dude showed up for one day goes what am I doing doing this great just perfect wicked yeah wicked that's that's when I decided I said I got something for you nice or something we can do but people don't [050:01] understand you know they're mandating all these electric vehicles in California 75% of California's electricity comes from fossil fuels About 15% comes from when then alternative energy and then they still get a little from nuclear I don't know why everyone got off nuclear that was like that's the that's the best thing for the environment Yeah, believe it or not we are I spoke when I was researching Landman, I reached out to some guys on MIT has a climate change board. They've got a bunch of scientists that are all they're doing is trying to figure out what is our next energy source, what is a reliable energy source that's clean. And cold fusion is pretty much the thing that they've all penned as this is going to be the deal. But they think we're 30 to 40 years from having it to where it can even generate enough power. Right now, for the first time ever, they were able to create electricity through coldusion that created more electricity than it took to create it. [051:07] Like, so they just net zeroed it. So how long before they can make enough of it, they can make it efficient enough that someone can charge us for it, and it's still affordable to us. How far off? And then the infrastructure. What's the method of cold fusion? Like, I don't even know how it's done. I mean, it's the same. Google that. Google, like, how is cold? Because I know there was a cold fusion thing a few years ago, but they decided that it wasn't. They couldn't repeat it. But I didn't know that they've actually pulled it off now. It's essentially you're splitting an atom, but you're not, you're splitting it in a manner that doesn't seem to create the waste and I think that's the reason they're backing off nuclear They know something about the waste that Forever it lasts forever and you dig holes in the ground You got to cement it in there like their spots in Nevada where they have just like fucking trenches filled with nuclear waste [052:03] Yeah, but there's also fucking trenches filled with nuclear waste. But there's also emerging technologies about converting nuclear waste into batteries. There was something about that. There was some sort of technique that they were developing that was going to be able to take all that stuff and convert it into batteries. But we have a reasonable fear of radiation obviously because it's, you know, we know like Chernobyl is fucked. It's going to be fucked forever. Fukushima is fucked. It's fucked forever. It's fucked forever. As long as there's ever been people alive, it would be fucked three, four or five times that in the future. It would be fucked. And then we also know that they haven't been real forthcoming with some of the dangers of it like the depleted uranium rounds They used during the Iraq war and all these soldiers came back and they had Gulf War syndrome And that was there their their babies were born all fucked up and no one wanted to take responsibility for it But there's been some documentaries done on it and I think The consensus is that a lot of those cases were probably due to the depleted uranium rounds they used [053:06] because apparently those fucking things are just lethal. They just go right through tanks. Like depleted uranium rounds are the shit. But the problem is then these fucking soldiers would go to the battlefield where all this stuff had gone down and they're breathing in and they're absorbing all this fucking radiation and they weren't warned. Well, look at all the, look at all in the 50s when people used to go to Vegas and sit on the roof and watch nuclear testing. I had a professor in college that was one of those guys and got like, um, team kind of fucking different cancers in California. Why don't you have to story about John Wayne? Yeah. John Wayne was important. Well Wayne, which is important. Well, John Ford all of them died of cancer because they kept shooting in Monument Valley where they were fucking setting all these things up. Exactly. But did anybody like definitively connect John Wayne and his cancer to that? Because I think I had read something about many people that worked on those films. Also got similar cancer. [054:01] Yeah. But I mean, John Wayne lived like he smokes cigarettes and drank a lot too. I heard the guys smoke five packs a day. Yeah, he was like a guy who was part of it. He was all like a second pig's heart. He'd had like eight different organ transplants in the late 60s. He was actually kind of a tank that he survived. Did he really have a pig heart? Yes. Did he really did that with him? No. I mean Even if you didn't even do it with you, you didn't even do it with the Oscars. Whoa, they've actually successfully transplanted pig hearts. Yeah, I mean, have him. How do I not know this? I know they've done it with a friend of mine as another person's heart. Yeah, you got a heart attack and a heart transplant. A pig valve. Pig valve, pig valve. The same shit. Oh, I knew they were doing that. Yeah, they do artificial valves. My friend Everlast from House of Pain, he can take a microphone and put it to his chest and you can hear his fake valve going like, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, Really? Yeah, it's weird. It's weird, he does it, you're like, yo, what? You got a fucking machine inside, you know, it opens and closes just like the biological valve that you're born with. [055:07] Yeah, but his is artificial. Wow. Yeah, I think it's, I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think it's titanium or something like that. Like something like very durable and like I know they're using titanium for other body parts. They're using it for articulating neck discs. So when people get bulging discs that turn to herniating discs and then they get degradation where it's pinching on the nerves, they have two options oftentimes. They'll either fuse you, which could be fucking horrible. Or they now they'll give you an alternative which is a articulating disc. And guys have had those like Al Jermaine Sterling had one of those done and then went on to defend the bottomweight title in UFC and defended it more than anybody and just fucking dominated people. Yeah until he lost to Sean O'Malley he was like I think he defended the bottomweight title more than anybody and he won the title and then after he won the title he got need in the head during the title fight it was kind of a bad deal like he won the title title by disqualification. So a lot of people hated him and they discredited him. [056:07] Then he got this operation, had this disc replaced his neck and then they had the rematch and he fucking dominated the dude. Really? With a fake disc in his neck. So really was fucking him up. The children of John Wayne, Susan Hayward, and Dick Powell fear that fallout killed their parents. This is from 1980. Wow. 1980. 20 cast members. It says 91 had contracted cancer. Wow. Oh my God. And this is pre-internet kids. And that's at that point too, 1980. So. Right. But you got to think this is like, it was difficult to track down this kind of information back then. And then to put it out on people magazine, that's pretty wild because of where they were doing uh... st. George only 137 miles from atomic testing range at yuka flat Nevada yeah they just pollution about there you ever seen the map there's a video of uh... the map of the United States [057:00] and it's actually the map of the world but a lot of them happen in the United States and it shows all the nuclear tests that are the map of the world, but a lot of them happen in the United States. And it shows all the nuclear tasks that are happening all around the world. Like when they first did it, like it shows the Trinity bomb, boom. And then it's like, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then it gets into the 50s, boom, boom, boom, boom. Watch this. Go to the first one. It goes on for 15 minutes. I know, but it's amazing. We don't have to watch the full 15 minutes. Can you triple speed or something? Yeah. Doesn't it do that? We did it the other day, right? Playback speed, normal. Yeah. That's what I can do. Okay. So just watch a little bit of this. So the first one goes off, boom, boom. They're doing them in the ocean. Because that's great for the top will tell you who's doing them right right couple are us five of them So we've we're five in now is the United States eight United States. We're like I'm not sure if it works Let's keep doing it. These are all in the ocean by the way the so far the ones we've seen now Russia starts popping off Oh shit Russia's got one boom. They did a test and we're like oh bitch [058:00] We're gonna have to do some more tests now. You guys think you got a nuclear bomb, motherfucker? We got 500,000 of them. 16, 17. Now by this time in 1951, the United States has 24 and Russia has three. This is 1952. I mean, here now, now the United States has 30, not now, look at this, we go up to 45 like quick. And then Russia goes to eight. They're trying to keep a Stuck some in there. Oh did they really that they got or great Britain did they just decided to set it off in Australia Yeah, that's probably what they did look at this United States got 66 now. We're just popping off So now these are all happening in Nevada You're seeing them all pop off in the United States So far at least in the same area which has got to be Nevada see there look. They're all popping off in that same area It's all one. We're just new can one spot in the country and then we let gambling in. That was 40 in like a year. You know, oh my god it's so insane. We talked about on these things. Yeah right here. October 1956 right 87. Oh that's so insane and no one could [059:03] tell them no. Here's the thing.'s like they are the literally the people running the world back then and by March of 58 where at 121 How nuts question so we're setting off Thermonuclear weapons getting in pretty soon here price of hydrogen bombs 67 we're at 510 Jesus Christ and we talk about things So insane we talking about things that warm the planet. Yeah, that did a lot of warm and for sure I've never heard a new one's mentioned the Half a thousand nuclear bombs we set off here's the question. I know that the the fallout from Like meltdowns when reactors meltdown., that's pretty significant, that's a big deal. But how much of a big deal is the fallout from bombs going off? Like there's people that live in Fukushima now, right? Or Nagasaki right now, right? They live in Japan and the areas that got hit. They live in Hiroshima. [1:0:00] It's okay there now, right? So how long is it, like those areas where they did the test, like what's okay there now, right? So well how long is it like those areas where they did the test like what's it like now? Is it fucked is it I did read at one point I was reading a lot about all the cancer problems they were having just like in Chernobyl that they were having in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in those areas And I don't know if they're still having Right, that was my question was like, the regeneration right after the bombs, were the people that survived, did they got all that horrible radiation? And then, I think it came in waves. I think there was a lot of cancers in like the three to five years afterwards. And then again, in 10, 15, we could probably look it up. But it was a continuous. This, the rush account jumps really fast here in one month it jumped it did like sixty or so in one little area and it looks like july no yeah September of sixty one oh boy that went to it sixty bombs went off that's the dude that's christopher that's the duty banged his fucking shoot on the on the desk member [1:1:01] you said we will bury you see find that that's that you want to think how scary things are now you want to think of what it was like in the nineteen sixties when kruchef is yeah banging his fucking his heel on the but let me hear it because the the fucking tone of his voice this is beat to the rhythm issues Oh, they made a song of course that's hilarious That was a scary fucking time and those are people that had lost millions and millions and millions of soldiers in World War 2 Oh, yeah, we're 20 million Russians died? Yes, something like that. We live on Earth, not by the grace of God. No, served by your grace, by the strength and intelligence of the great people, [1:2:00] of the Soviet Union and all the peoples which are fighting for their independence. You will not be able to smother the voice of the peoples, the voice of truth which rings aloud and will go on ringing. Death and destruction to colonial servitude away with it. We must bury it and deeper the better. He didn't bang a shoe. so when does he bang a shoe? Here in the coverage, but that other video I had definitely show him right also they they edited it out Maybe yeah, yeah, maybe they like does a little intense. Let's calm that guy down. Let's get him a vodka See there's something so yeah Here is bang a shoe bunch of stuff that's like a galvo or something that could be a shoe. See, there's something. So yeah, here is banging. We're just banging on a bunch of stuff. That's like a gav or something. That could be a shoe. I think that's a shoe. Looks like a shoe in a bounce. Yeah, I think that's all theater. It is all theater, but it's a terrifying theater because they're actually killing people. Well, the way that they're controlling their own people is by threatening, they're basically saying the United States is threatening our existence. [1:3:06] Uh-huh. Yeah. And that's the exact same thing that the American government said about the Soviet Union. And that's all that those nuclear testing's words. It's a dick measuring. It's just like, look what we can do, what we got. It's all, that's where communism goes, kids. It seems like a great idea. It seems like we should all share money. We shouldn't be so materialistic and if we just pooled our money together, everybody would have enough. We wouldn't have to worry about anything. The government just tells you what your job is. I just want someone to show me an example of it working. It doesn't work. Just show me one. It works in small groups. If you can get a small group of bad motherfuckers. Well, here's where we're you can be communist You could make the argument that the planes Indians tribes were communist you could make that right right right right because they didn't Understand possessions. They would they they everything and so I'll take the Lakota for example Everything was predicated your wealth was basically how many horses you had and and those horses you stole from another [1:4:04] Nation another tribe, you know the the Lakota would stole from another nation, another tribe. You know, the Lakota would steal from the Pawnee, they would steal from the Crow. Everybody stole from the Crow. They were all rating each other. Yeah. It was an important point that is kind of left out of the narrative. And it's also, and they would, then they would obviously kidnap and one of the reasons that they did that was, you know, these were all familial tribes and it's survival, so we need a new bloodline to get in there. In that wild. They also had low birth rates because of the riding of the horses. And probably the low body fat too, because it's purely for the most part, it's a pure protein diet. And they're just eating meat. And they were carnivorous completely. Yeah. Yeah. They would have, there were certain things, miners let us in various, you know, annual, you know, seasonal fruits and stuff that they could find. But come winter, man, that's six months. It's, it's, you're eating beef jerky. Mm. You know, yeah. And horses. And that's why they're falling the buffalo and yeah, 100%. I mean, that is the way to do it. [1:5:05] The thing is the people that love the way, like communism worked on that thing because what did we remove from it? Money, right? As soon as you take a trinket and you assign a value to that trinket, then people need to go be able to earn that trinket. That's such a good point. And if you look at communism, there's plenty of rich people in communist countries. Real rich. They just all work for the communist party. Yeah. Right? I know a lot of research on Cuba for a project and interestingly enough, they are given a ration of food every month. You get this. You're going to get a certain amount of eggs. You're going to get a certain amount of, you can get a sack of beans. You're gonna get a certain amount of eggs, you're gonna get a certain amount of you can get a sack of beans, you're gonna get your flour, you're gonna get your sugar, you're gonna get this, you're gonna get your coffee and you're gonna get your rum because we prefer you stay nice and liquid and happy, right? But you're not gonna get to choose where you live, you're not gonna get to choose your job. [1:6:00] Yeah. Yeah, he's not going to get to do that and they I was studying up on this thing because I was riding about a fisherman and If you and they live on an island so you think well they could just go out and catch Fish and lobsters and eat that No that belongs to the state if you were caught with a lobster you're going to prison. Oh Jesus Christ Yeah, so so you sacrifice any freedom. So yeah, you may have free healthcare. How good is it? I don't know. But you don't get to determine your own path. It's a gangster system. And then they have their athletics program, which is just off the charts. They produce some of the fucking craziest athletes in combat sports, particularly in combat sports. I know they do in other things, but T. Phil Stevenson, who was the guy who was the rival to Muhammad Ali, but he never left amateur boxing. He just won the gold medal. I don't know how many fucking years he won in a row. [1:7:01] But everybody was like, we could get this guy out of Cuba. This is a guy that could actually test Muhammad Ali He's that good really and he was just in the in their Cuban program and everyone was terrified of them because Amateur boxers they reach a certain level of Ability and they get a good record going and either they go to the Olympics and if they can metal that can ensure they get a big purse in the first few fights Olympic gold medalist pernell Whitaker Crowley America America But if they don't, they just get enough experience where they can go professional, but in Cuba, they never go professional. So you get guys that are 15, 16 years into a boxing career that's essentially always been professional. Always been with the most elite coaches. The most elite sports drugs, like whatever the fuck they have, whatever therapies they have, they're not like you're you're gonna take whatever the fuck we give you and that's what they did with Russia as well yeah and China so how many times did he win the gold medal three golds in a row Jesus Christ three golds in a row that's 12 years of gold medals then all these other golds to other events yeah [1:8:02] all these different events I mean he was I mean, he was the fucking man. He was the fucking man. So what you're essentially dealing with is like a Mike Tyson type dude, who's at like that level of like world championship caliber boxing, but you're having to fight amateurs. So everybody else is just trying to get together a career so they can go off into the professionals. This guy can never be professional. So he is a professional. So he's the best in the fucking world, but he's just not getting paid to fight Muhammad Ali on television. Right. He might mean Ali might have beat him, Frazier might have beat him, Forman might, some of those guys might have beat him, but he never got, we never got to see it. But what we did see is like that caliber of boxing come out of Cuba. And some of the scariest guys that have ever fought in the UFC have come out of Cuba. Yoel Romero, the freakyest of freak athletes of all time came out of Cuba. Yeah, he's like, he never won the gold in UFC, but he got to the fucking game when he was like 36. Really? Yeah, man, he's like in his 40s now and just jacked natural. [1:9:04] Still fighting. I told the story before, I apologize if like in his forties now and just jacked natural still fighting i told the story before i apologize for you listen but the u.f.c brought him to a doctor because he had a broken orbital bone in a fight he got a little and they brought him to the doctor and the doctor uh... context u.f.c. says where did she get this guy and he goes who he's uh... one of our fighters they go i've never seen a guy came he goes yeah he's he's amazing right our fighters. They go I've never seen a guy like him. He goes Yeah, he's amazing right you know, don't know you understand I've never seen a human being like this I've been a doctor for 35 years or whatever it was he goes the tendons in his eyes are three times larger than a normal person He goes he's already healing. He goes the bone that's fractured in his orbo, is very healing. It started to heal. It's like, where'd you get this guy? Where the fuck did you get this guy? Have you ever seen him? I just wanted to see what he looks like. That's him, well, well, bro. And he's in his forties here, in his forties. And he's a fucking amazing guy, an amazing guy. He came in here and did a podcast with me and Joey Diaz translated. So he can only speak limited English, but he was talking about Cuba. He was like, [1:010:10] well, you are think you're there so many, so many guys, they're killers and killers. You become a, how much in you become a machine and I was like, oh my God. But that guy went through so that is also a part of what cube is. They're forced into this. If you were at the best level, you get to eat three times a day. But if you're at the other level, you get to eat twice a day. And you don't get to sleep in the good places. You get to sleep in the shit places. So all these guys are training with each other, all fighting for these spots, literally for food. I think crazy. Stevenson then 22 years old was rewarded with a house for himself in Havana, and another for himself and his family, and I don't know how to say that, Deletius. Deletius. Stevenson later recalled, I had no idea how some Deletius was going to be so big. When I was showing the plane, I said, what is this? [1:011:02] A bunker of the plans, right there, I said, what is this? A bunker of the plans, rather. He said, what is this, a bunker? So they gave him stuff. They gave him houses and shit. Yeah. They would treat them well. They did that also for the Soviet athletes. Right. Like guys like Correlin, the guy who's, that's another experiment. They literally called him the experiment. You don't know who he is? No. I should have showed you the photo in the gym. There's a photo of him that I have out there just constantly. I need a constant reminder of what a pussy I am. And it's this photo of Correllan who was like six, two, three hundred pounds and moved like a cat. Oh, I know, I know exactly this guy is, yeah. His move was to pick guys up and smash them into the ground. So look at his face. He was beating you up with the world. So everybody else was trying to wrestle. And what Karellen was doing was wrestling so that he could beat you up with the world. He's hitting you. Boom! Into the world with all of his weight and all of your weight. And he just kept peaking people up and slam him. And he would let him go back to the ground and he'd pick him up again and slam him and he did it to everybody. [1:012:08] Nobody could stop it. He was that much of a freak. And his parents were little, like little folks, regular size folks. 5, 5, 5, 7, just little tiny folks. And he's just as fucking human cat. He's just got, just like human cat. The dumb old dose of whatever their best genes were so that's the other side of communism like they'll force you into this program and the killers The guys like this is him look at you dude people This guys is a fucking that's a national champion from some country and Correllan just got a hold of it He's just gonna fuck him up Boom So he's just throwing you into the ground over and over and over and over again. Watch how he does this. Boom! The fucking amount of power involved in that is absurd. That's a 260 pound man. And he's just hurling him around. So that's the plus side of communism. You can do some amazing athletes. [1:013:01] You can do it. You're farming athletes. Yeah, I mean, they're essentially like the best of the best doing it that way. We could do it better here for sure. We definitely could do it. We have the best athletes for sure. If you'd looked at like, you watch the NFL, you watch the UFC, you watch the best athletes are right here. Even if they've moved here to become a part of this, like Francis and Ghana who came to America. They're the best athletes are here. It seems. There's a lot of really good ones in other countries. They're real close, but, Manu, it comes to like super freak athletes. There's capitalism seems to be the way to go. It seems to be, that's, especially capitalism if you don't drug test them well. That's the best way. You to get a little sloppy on the drug testing. That's gonna help. Yeah, that'd be nice guys. If I was running shit, like, I would do, you know, the UFC has usada and then they got rid of us. Usada and other headdrug, drugs free sport, which is gonna do a similar program, but just do it more logically in their perspective. Usada would like sometimes wake fighters up at four o'clock in the morning or six o'clock in the morning, the day of the weigh-ins. Which is terrible. Terrible. [1:014:06] Because they're cutting weight and they're just. Right, exhausted. They're dehydrating. And now you're going to test them on the day of a weigh-in. That's so stupid. Like, you don't have to do that. You can catch them. If they're doing an insane process. And nobody, people have never seen it before. Don't know how nutty it is. But I think they should really do some stuff. I think they should be able to do some stuff. I really do. I think it's science. I think it helps you heal better. I think there should be like rational limits of what you can and can't do. You know, I don't think you should be able to do full-on like trend and steroids and wild shit. No, but can you do peptide therapy? Can you do that? No, that's my problem. That isn't 100% my problem. If you look at, and I've done it, if you look at the NFL's rule of all the shit you can't take, yeah. Like, one of those guys could go to G&C and pick something up and end up testing. It happens with the UFC all the time. And it happens with guys that 100% are not taking steroids. Yeah. I got some creatine. Yeah. And there was who knows what they mixed it on or the [1:015:08] creating spike too high or did something. Well, that was one thing that UFC's drug program did a fantastic job of. If you went to the USADA website, there was a full list of all of the things that if you bought, you would piss hot. So it's like whenever they find like a contaminated, because like one of the things we found out when we started on it, when we started this supplement company, with my friend Aubrey myself, when we started making this vitamin called alpha brain, we had a certain amount of ingredients that were in there. And so then we would get it third party tested. And so then we get it third party tested and third party tested like, you guys have this in there too Like what is that why is that in there? Well it turns out when you're getting your stuff mixed They're not really clean in those barrels out real good right. They're just tossing shit in and right So if you're buying like fucking super pump from the vitamin shop whatever it is You know that has like something it's supposed to boost your testosterone and they're making the same place where they're making real roids. [1:016:06] Yeah. Well then you're getting it. You're gonna get a little... It's gonna get it. It's some of the stuff that works because it's roids. You know, that's the thing. Like those gas station dick pills? That's probably just viagra. Uh-oh. Not a core. I've never tried them, but But not according to my friend Brian who was a gas station dick pill addict for a while He says they're steroids. He has they have to be steroids because they make you so aggressive And he gives them they give you so much energy and he goes your dick as hard as a rock So there's just a big spike in sales of like dragon fire or whatever they They did find out that a lot of them had viagre in it And it's one of the reasons why they kept getting pulled but they would get pulled and they'd come back with a new name So they're all done like it's foreign companies and sneaky companies So they'd be it will be like you know like black rhino would be one and then like that would be like white rhino It would be the new one Like you got got rhinos we had the white rhinos. Okay, give me one of them and people were essentially going to gas stations and buying these wild unknown and phenomines spliced in with [1:017:10] Viagra spliced in with steroids with exactly the rhino pills some rhino products can take can take uh said then uh said then a fill or to daffa fill according to the FDA these are respect to the active ingredients of Viagra and Seattle yeah but I think they also had some other stuff in there man they had some other a fill according to the FDA. Well, these are respects of the active ingredients of the Vagran Sea Alice. Yeah. But I think they also had some other stuff in there, man. They had some other stuff in there. Minerals, herbs, vitamins, enzymes, amino acids, it doesn't have to say what they are. Right. There could be any. Maybe also steroids. Yeah. Maybe also, maybe also. Maybe also. Yeah. you could take an oral form that I guarantee that that's not expensive. And if you can get people like my friend Brian who was like completely addicted to this fucking thing, he's spying all the time. He didn't need to like reviews of gas station dick pill. Brian Redbany of the man. He did, right? He did reviews. Yeah, I mean he talked about it enough they were all reviews. He's a character man. This is a dude who uh when Pepsi Spice got made he developed a [1:018:06] website called Pepsi Spice.com because they didn't have the they didn't have the domain. So he bought the domain. So he bought Pepsi Spice and then documented him drinking Pepsi Spice all day long and horrible diseases happening to him. He's fucking his life fall apart. He's losing weight. He was making it up. He just made up this fake blog about dying while drinking too much Pepsi spice. Really? Yeah. This is the dick, dick bill guy. He's a maniac. The Pepsi ever go like, hey, yeah. I think they did. I think they did. And I think they produced you to our attorney. Yeah. I think they fucked up though and not getting the domain and this guy had the domain. And then they're their concern is this guy actually drinking 15 gallons of Pepsi Spice a day doesn't really is he having fucking cholera like what's happening to this kid? But how do we get on this tangent? It was all about left D UFC Allowing peptides. Oh, yeah, and we got there from nuclear waste Yeah, we got there from a [1:019:01] Colfusion. That's a pretty good. It's been nice little run. Yeah. Yeah. We're in a weird time in this country where people are so divided that they don't want to look at the actual truth of things if they have like an ideological position on things. They just want to only hold onto that and never open their mind up to other people's perspectives. And it's also at a time where more people have access to information than ever before. It's so easy to change your perspective today. Because there's so much information, you can always get new information. And there seems to be a between both political parties, a feverish need for control that I don't ever recall. You know, you can watch the debates between, there's a there's a real funny funny one between Reagan and Mondale and Reagan says at one point you know age he was 70 For maybe when he was running for reelection And his age was an issue that that might be an issue in this cup coming election [1:020:03] I'll be a spring chicken in this election. And Reagan said, he said, listen, I'm not going to allow age to be an issue in this debate. I will not hold my, the other candidate's youth and inexperience against him. I mean, just turn it into a joke. But it was a joke in Mondale laughed. I think they shook hands. It was a civilized debate about what's the way to run this country. That's pretty quick right there. He did look pretty old back then. M.P.I.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E youth and inexperience. In what Monday a laugh? What a better time back then. What a better time. These two guys are in a debate and he says like, oh, you got me. Good job. He just took it on the chin. Yeah, like a man. How come they can't do that anymore? Even the fucking guy. My dad, Mr. Truett, I might add that it was Santa Cora or was Cicero, I don't know which, that said, if it was not for [1:021:07] the elders correcting the mistakes of the young, there would be no state. Mr. President, I'd like to head for the fence and try to cast that one before it goes over, but I'll go on to another question. So it was a time when you really feel like and forget political leanings. Both of those guys, it seemed, they had different ideas about the way to get to the same place. Yeah. And I think we're in a very unique place right now where no one's even talking about where we're trying to go. This is really about thought and beliefs. No one's talking policies. I haven't heard anyone talk about various policies in three or four years. What we're talking about is, which by the way, when you're talking about what you can believe and what's this, and we're gonna argue about arbitrary things that aren't arguable, really. And we keep our focus on that, and everyone's so impassioned about their position [1:022:03] on some social issue that we have no solution to, then you don't focus on a $34 trillion debt. You don't focus on the fact that we're so reduced in our position on the world stage. There was a time when our military and our political resolve was so aligned that nobody wanted to fuck with us. We could sit there and say, hey guys, we're not going to have a war in Ukraine. We're not going to do it. And they go, okay, you know, if you think about 9-11, and George W. Bush was not a very popular president at that moment in time, and people have forgotten that Al Gore and the Democratic Party, and I didn't vote for George W. Bush, they questioned, they contested that election then. They said it was, it was, it was, Rhaeg, they said it was this, they took it to the Supreme Court. We didn't have a president really for almost two months. [1:023:01] Was that the dangling chance? Yeah, that was the hanging chance. And then cut to, you know, a year later and he's woefully unpopular and then 9-11 happens and he gave a speech, the best speech of his entire presidency, I thought, that galvanized the nation. And I remember, and I lived in LA at the time when that happened. And everybody was, they'd see a fireman or a policeman that'd say, hey, thank you for your service. Like, let me buy you a cup of everybody in LA. And there was a sense of the sacrifice these guys and these men and women took on. And we were really unified moving forward against what we needed to do to protect our sovereignty and protect the people of the country. Then it got fucked up and then it became about oil and it came about a bunch of other things. But there was a time that time was the best of us. That time I remember driving to work and I was driving on the street and every fucking car had an American flag [1:024:01] on it. My friend Jay London used to sell them. Sell these little American. I don't know. Yeah, everyone had them. Everyone had them. This is Los Angeles. This is in LA. Yeah. This is liberal city as there is in America. They woke right the fuck up. Yeah. And everybody came together and people were nicer for a while. It was interesting. It was a really unique time. But it didn't last you right it didn't last but also it was like wait. Why are we going to Iraq? It got real squirrelly real fast Well, that's and the weapons of master's instruction thing and all that other stuff. It's like god damn it like we had the world's Faith in love for a little bit, but we did what we did what we do We did what we always do Yeah, we found a way to make a business of it. Well, that's what people do. That's their job, of course. It's human nature and you're not gonna find it, you know, consider. You can pick the historical moment and we can find someone who exploited it. That's why it's fascinating to watch something like 1883 because you're seeing human beings, exploiting human beings in this very raw way. Like one thing that really got me was the robbers, [1:025:05] the groups of robbers, because I didn't really take that into consideration either. But it wasn't just that you had to worry about the command sheet. I did worry about these groups of robbers who would just show up and kill everybody. That actually, if you look at statistics, bandits killed more of these immigrants moving north and people on the Oregon Trail than the Native americans did i never even considered that until the show man you they existed but i didn't think of it as that big of a factor what you got a reason well it's this it's an area with absolutely no governance no rule of law right whatsoever and i think that's something that people need to be thinking about now you know we've got, I always think, what do I believe in my son? What's the world like in 30 years for him? Right? And decisions made now, we sit here in break rules that are clearly established in a constitution, which has existed for a couple hundred years and held this place together, when we start manipulating that document [1:026:06] to maintain relevance for a very short-term goal for a politician or for one specific cause, whatever that cause is, when we start manipulating that and abandoning the rule of law, when we start doing that 30 years from now, that benchmark is what's gonna be used against all the people that pushed it right now. That's what scares me right now about all this talk about primaries, about limiting people from primaries. There's been, see if you can find this, they were saying that many states have chosen to only have Joe Biden to vote for in the primaries. And you know, it's, but that sounds, here's like such a bad idea here's what this is my point where and and you can people can think of Donald Trump however they want to think of Donald Trump it doesn't really matter who the individual is a court in colorado is going to essentially make a decision based upon [1:027:04] uh... a trial that has not happened yet. In other words, they're basically saying he's guilty of something that he hasn't been tried for and therefore they're removing him from a ballot. Right. And right now, maybe the Democrats feel as though they're justified in that action because they're so terrified of what Donald Trump may do if he becomes president again. But are they thinking about what's gonna happen in 20 years or 30 years? Because this has now been established and at some point The Republicans will gain control. They will get a majority in the Senate again. We look through history It just swings back and forth. It's gonna for eight years. It's this and eight years. It's that so another party will be in control And that party can use all of these manipulations of rules to maintain control. And that's when you start to have a dictatorship in the day. Regardless of who's left right doesn't make a difference. Exactly. And if you let that happen, Biden won't have challengers in North Carolina 2024 primary [1:028:01] elections at State Democratic Party decides decides North Carolina Democratic Party declined to allow any Biden challengers on the ballot for the 2024 primary. They made a similar effort in 2020 attempting to put only Donald Trump on the ballot that year. Both of those are terrible ideas. Both of those are terrible ideas. This is why they... In order to get on the ballot, you need to have donors in the state and actively campaigning in the state. Neither of them have been here this cycle. Who are the other people? Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson. How crazy is it? Who's Dean? Who the fuck are you Dean? I never heard your voice. I've never seen your face. Come on, let me see Dean. Imagine if Dean pulls it off. Maybe Dean's the man. I don't even know. Isn't Marion Williamson? Look at him. Like a self-help writer. She's a self-help writer. Self-help author from California. I want to think highly of everybody without prejudice. But if you tell me you're a self-help author from California, I automatically... What? [1:029:01] Kind of... That's like a mini- You're going to have to do a lot of counseling when she gets to DC. Yeah, I mean, she's gonna self-help the world. Maybe she's, maybe she's good, I don't know, but either one of them have almost no chance against Biden anyway, right? So why are they limiting people's choice? You should never limit people's ability to choose. I mean, maybe those people can get on a debate stage and rock the world and all of a sudden there's a big movement behind them, but that's supposed to be what it's about kids. That's supposed to be what the whole thing is about. If someone comes along in a more compelling candidate, you're supposed to get them. It's not the party is not supposed to be able to decide who the guy is against the will of the people because that's a lot like comedy that some kids. It is. It's, it's, it is. It's fascist. It is. It's fascist. It's crazy. It's crazy. You can do it because you think your team is right. We're the, we're the good guys. Well, if you think you're so right, then why won't you allow your positions to be challenged so that you can prove how much better they are? Because they have the ability to enact control. And when you give people the ability to enact control, they always take it. That's why you have to always resist them moving those fucking boundaries. [1:030:06] Because it's just human nature. You could call it evil. You could say all these different things. You could call it greedy. It's human nature to want more. And when you have a certain amount of control and you get a lot more things done with more control, you try to get more control. And then you try to figure out strategies. How do we, what do we do in order to make it important that we pass a new law? So now we have the NDAA. Now we have the Patriot Act. Now we have this. Now okay now we've got a lot more control. Now we have the NSA spying on everybody. Much more control. It's much and every time this happens you get more and more. The problem is those politicians, it doesn't matter if you're a congresswoman from Indiana or California or Texas. Yes, you were elected by a certain district and you're representing that district, but you're also representing every other citizen of the United States. You're a U.S. Congressperson, okay? And you swore an oath to uphold the Constitution above and beyond everything else. And they're manipulating [1:031:03] the document for very short term game. And I not blaming they're all doing it and and and and people need to wake up to that because they're going to they're going to manipulate it in a way that is going to look there's there's plenty of countries in this in this world that have elections uh... they have it now we're not a democracy or republic but they have their free elections and they got one candidate that's what that candidate always seems to win crazy overwhelming majority in that shock crazy how that happens and anybody who's a rabble rouse a good shot sounds good done perfect it's just we should know this by now. You know, listen, how about you leave the document alone, we'll let you keep you inside our trading. Just like we'll look aside. I'm not hating the game. I'm not hating the play. You see that I saw a really interesting thing about [1:032:01] these senators on both sides that have been in for 20, 30 years. They make 175,000 year and their net worth. And they're worth $100,000,000. $85,000,000, $195,000,000. They're really good investors. Oh really? Yeah they are. They're really good investors. Some people are good at it. Okay, maybe not so good at it. Sorry. They're just, they're prescient. They're like, you know, maybe there's a room that you can go to in the White House and you can just You know, I think I think we've hit a point to where and this was a pretty popular conversation in the 80s and 90s And then it just disappeared. I think we got to start talking about term limits Yeah, that's a good idea term limits are going to see someone like Nancy Pelosi Yeah, because she's like the best at riding out that wave. Oh, yeah, you know her day trader husband. Yeah, how about Finestein? She wrote it out until she's literally dying and they're telling her who to vote for. Yeah, they're just pushing her out there. I think maybe it's gonna probably take two terms to even figure out what you're doing in the House of Representatives. My favorite is Mitch McConnell. Oh, dude. [1:033:01] When he just switches off, that dude just switches off. Hey, we've got some octogenarians up in there right now Yeah, once you switch off once you can't drive anymore Okay, you know how to drive you just switch off. Okay, grandpa grandpa give me the fucking keys. Yeah, okay And so you're driving what what are you doing? What are you doing you're involved in important decisions for the entire world. Should there be age limits? Fuck yeah, fuck yeah, or at least an aptitude test an aptitude test, but also Depended upon future aptitude tests and future physical fitness evaluations. Yeah, that's what I think I think if you you can't just say every 75 year old is the same as every other 75 year old because look at Robbie Kennedy Bobby Kennedy Jr Is like how old is he 69? He looks fucking great fit. He's fit. He's always a gold genuine works out jeans for some strange reason I don't know why he does that. It's the mold school shit. I guess it's a little skeet in them back in the day Yeah, Scotts guard their jeans ago skin. Yeah. Yeah, that's why actually I first met him I met him in Aspen just randomly really yeah, I was up there [1:034:05] I don't ski I used to ski but my last accent. I was like that's right. I did the same thing I'm like that's horses are dangerous. I have a friend of mine who is a fake knee because of it You went skinny tours knee apart and yet to get an artificial knee. Yeah, fuck that. I know it's fun I get it but anyway, I ran into him there and he looks fucking jacked, look at him. That's a 69 year old guy. Now, there's a lot of dudes that I know that are 69 that don't look anything like that. I mean, no disrespect Ron White, but put Ron White's body next to Robert Kennedy Jr.'s body. When the guy's fucking really fit, that's fake. Yeah, that one's fake. But the real ones are very impressive. My point is, it's like, okay, that guy don't have a problem with his age at all. He's obviously very bright, he's constantly writing books, he's a brilliant environmental lawyer, but then there's other guys, they get to like, think of that, okay, that's only five years younger than Reagan in that video. [1:035:01] Yeah. Does the difference? Yeah, does the difference? Now somewhere at 70, you should have to take some type of aptitude test and a physical fitness test and then maybe every two years after? Yes, for sure. And maybe for driving. I'm pretty sure after a certain age, you have to have an annual driver's test. Is it? Something like that. Maybe in some states it varies. I don't know but you should definitely because my grandpa when he before he died Who he would take me out and I'd be like oh shit and my grandpa had an old Buick this big ass was a Chrysler Chrysler old Chrysler's big ass fucking car So it was like one of those boats like when you turn the wheels like And he couldn't see anymore like he and he didn't want to admit it So he didn't want to not you know, he didn't want to not drive but he couldn't see it was fucking sketchy and he couldn't drive it night at all Yeah, take his out we're like seven like grip in the fucking seats like Jesus crap And those old Christ was you know, there's about this much play in the wheel be fair [1:036:01] Yeah, you got so much play you you can make any fast maneuvers. They don't handle it all. But yeah, for running the fucking most important army, the world is ever known. Yeah, you probably should have aptitude tests. If you're going to be the president, there should be some way we can tell. If there's like a foolproof way, we can tell you're not falling apart. But do you really think Joe Biden would pass that test he wouldn't pass that test before he became president and he's aging rapidly while he's president every every every president of my lifetime you've watched them think about some of the younger presidents George W. Bush and Obama you know they went in there in their 40s with a full head of dark hair. And that is not how they left. They got scared. I mean, that is... Pressure that job must be... Pressure insane. And you know what it's like, and this is... There's no comparing the two, but just how ragged you can get run. If you're going to go do a comedy show here and then there and then there. And you're just living out of a suitcase and then you gotta say this, you gotta be on. Yeah. I mean, it takes a toll. Yeah. [1:037:06] When I go direct, I mean, if I go on a six month, which I'm about to, a six month, seven month run of directing every single day where I have to make decisions from 6 a.m. until nine o'clock at night, then I gotta watch footage till midnight. I get three, four hours of sleep at night for six months You were telling me about season three of Yellowstone that you essentially wrote it on Saturdays? Yeah, I was directing a movie with Angie with Angie and Joly in New Mexico And I had that they had a start date that by God they were gonna start didn't matter. They didn't have scripts They were gonna start and and I had to you know, we would shoot do a night shoot Friday night and finish about seven in the morning And I come home and sleep till two and wake up out of coffee and write the script Saturday till you know one, two in the morning wake up Sunday do it do it again finish the script send it off oh my god I did it 10 10 with 10 episodes I did it 10 weeks in a row [1:038:01] fucking kill me how do you keep your brain active during that time? Are you careful about what you eat? Are you drinking water? Very, very, very. Yeah. I would imagine that your body's on the edge. You can't fuck around. I'm very, very conscious of what I eat. You know, I try to be pretty conscious anyway, but I'm a freak when we're directing. Do you take any neutropics or anything like that? So I take a big mix of different things. I take muscle factors. I take in-mm-in and I'll do like a thymisin alpha, which is a peptide that's an anti-inflammatory for your body. And I'm just really rigid. I do a B12 shot every other day on set. Just anything that I can do to keep me alert and, and you know, because you'll get what they call the movie flute where you just get run down. You just, I mean, the hours are, you know, it's 14, 16 hours a day. Yeah. And then... And you have deadlines and you have a budget [1:039:01] and you have to do it that way. I mean, the budget, yeah, we have a budget, but you've seen my shows, they let me run. So I have- The CGI in 1883, I was like, this is insane. Because I don't wanna give anything away, but there's a scene with a storm where you're like, oh my God. Like you can do some wild shit to do. Well, the other thing is, yes, but the other thing is, I waited till a day with 60 mile an hour wins to shoot that. Oh, perfect. I like God do a lot of the CGI. No, there's a terrible storm coming in. Let's go. Let's sweep the schedule. Yeah, because there's no way you could ever have done that with your hair and all the things flying around. Yeah, yeah, it was fucking great, man. It's a great show. How about that ending? Whew, it was rough. It was rough. It was just walking around my house, like two hours afterwards. And the funny thing is, I told the audience what was going to happen on the first scene. Yeah, I know that was a wild thing you did. Yeah, it's like you're waiting for it throughout all the episodes. [1:040:04] You know, there's only 10. So you're waiting for it throughout all the episodes, you know there's only 10. So you're like, when, wow, let's just go down. It definitely added a layer of anticipation. It's brilliant, man. It really is. It's one of the best shows I've ever seen. And I shot 70% of it, 80% of it at the four seasons. How the fuck is Tim McGraw and Faith Hill so good? That's crazy, isn't it? How are they so good at acting? Well, let me tell you what, every singer can act. Just like every comedian can act. Dude, he's fucking incredible. Did you ever see him in Friday Night Lights? No. No. That film that, and I know Pete Berg came on the show with you here. Pete was a big mentor of mine. And that to me is a perfect sports film. It's fun. If you haven't seen that movie, you gotta see that movie. It's Billy Bob Forton and Tim McGraw plays this abusive dad in it and it is. [1:041:00] I mean, he's raw, he is he's the well runs deep with that guy Hmm Well, you could tell in that movie man or in your show rather he just 100% buy that he is a stone cold killer Yeah, and faith she hadn't acted before incredibly. We were just hoping incredible and she brought it incredible Yeah, boss had has to help That their real life married couple, you know, it's like there's like real like you There's like layers of chemistry when they're on the set together and and the subtext and they're ever Yeah, it was and then the heavy moments. I don't want to give anything away But some of the heavy heavy moments between the two and like oh my god imagine deal with that The fucking shit those people out of deal with. It's insanity. It's heavy, dude. It's a heavy show, but it's really good. I think it's a really important thing for people to be aware of that that's a pretty, it's obviously fiction, but it's a pretty accurate representation of how it went down. Yeah, I mean, the circumstances are imaginary, but the tools and the things. I mean, that's how they died and that's how they lived. Yeah. You know, when you look back at all the civilizations that have existed, that have risen and fallen, [1:042:11] and you know, and the idea that that's happening to America now, like this is what's happened on this continent over the last 400 years. It's one of the most insane stories in all of history, in all of history. There's some insane stories, insane empires that ruled the world for long periods of time, the Portuguese and the British and the Mongols, of course, and the Vikings. But what the fuck happened here is so crazy that there was a country full of nomadic native american tribes that were warring with each other all the time and living off the land and living in harmony with the land and then all of a sudden boats start showing up and then within fifty sixty hundred years two hundred years it's just flooded with your opinions like a mass invasion of a place that had people [1:043:04] have been living on it for 20,000 plus years. Yeah, maybe longer. Maybe longer. Maybe longer. They found some, you know, the Clovis point that they found in New Mexico, which dated back to like 12,000 BC. And I could go on a sidebar with these archaeologists when they find something that's the oldest, they will defend it to the death. They do not want anything older to be found. Well, yeah, that's a real problem with Egypt too. it to the death. They do not want anything older to be found. Well, yeah, that's a real problem with Egypt too. But they found another point of some kind in New Mexico that dates back another 8,000 years. Yeah, they found footprints. Yeah, yes, that's what it was footprints. I think it's 22,000 years. Yeah, it's shatters. Also, it's just what they found. Yeah. Like who's to say there's not one that's 35,000 people. Oh, we don't know. Yeah, we're saying that the oldest thing we found is the oldest thing. That's ridiculous. Which is just fucking human. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Well, that's what they're realizing now with human civilizations. That it's very likely that there was a mass disruption of human civilization from asteroid impacts or something like that, then we had to rebuild. And that's what the pyramids are, and that's what a lot of the structures they found even in North America. [1:044:06] And catastrophes do happen. And I know we don't wanna believe it. It's just like the vegans don't wanna believe they're causing any deaths when they buy their kale. Yeah. It's kinda the same thing. We don't wanna believe that this could ever fall apart and we could be right back to square one, right back to living like nomadic tribal people. But that 100% can happen. Well, you know what? Einstein's famous saying when they asked him what will be the weapon of destruction in World War III and he says I have no idea but I know what it is in World War IV and I said what does it go sticks? Yeah. It probably doesn't even have to be the war though. That's a problem. The problem is we're in a fucking shooting gallery. We're spinning around in a shooting gallery of massive chunks of space debris that literally is the stuff that forms planets. Yeah. And it's everywhere. [1:045:00] There's so much of it out there. There's hundreds of thousands of near-earth objects. And there's a whole asteroid belt. And if one of them collides with another one, one of them's coming in from some other place, and it hits one, and just sends it right towards us. And some of them are fucking huge. And when those things hit, that's a wrap civilization. Whatever people are left, good luck. Good luck. You're going to live like barbarians for the next thousand, two thousand years before people reinvent civilization again. Yeah. And it'll be interesting to see if it's reinvented the same. I don't think it will be. I think there's a certain amount of genetic memory in people. And I think even if something horrible happened and we had to start right now from scratch and rebuild civilization, I think I still think we would be better off than people who tried to do that 5,000 years ago or even 10,000 years ago. I think the human, the collective human consciousness is something other than just what you know and [1:046:08] what you've read. I think there's some shit that's in you in genetics. I think people are better at stuff now than they've ever been before. But clearly, if that's the case, clearly, whoever built the pyramids, they must have been around way longer. They must have been able to have a civilization that thrived way longer than ours. That's terrible. They still can't figure out how they built it. And there's something that I just read about if you look at its longitude and edge, like it's like a perfect one millionth of a, yeah, it's almost perfectly true North-South, East and West. It's amazing. And whoever did that probably was along the same lines that were on. They just had way more time to do it. They had thousands and thousands and thousands of years. Where we've only had a few hundred. A few hundred of craziness, a few hundred [1:047:02] of the industrial revolution, combustion engines, utilization of fossil fuel. All this shit that we're doing now, nuclear fuel, nuclear weapons, this is real, real, real, real, real recent. So if they had some more time than we did, that's what explains that shit to me. And I think that if we go and then there's a few barbarian people left, you know, few thousand all over the planet and they eventually redo civilization. They'll probably do a slightly better job. I think each group does a slightly better job, but it probably takes forever. It'll probably take another four or five thousand years for civilization to really emerge again. Are you familiar with the I'm fascinated with anthropology, human anthropology and the fact that we now know that there were four different human species living on the planet at the time of fucking time. Yeah. At the same time. Yeah, maybe more. Yeah. If Tomorekus was still around too, you got the [1:048:01] deniverines, you got Neanderthal, you've got you're homo sapien and then there was there was another off some Indonesian island. Yeah, the homo florescensis. Yeah. Florescensis, I think that's how you say it, those little hobbit people. Yeah. They think there's still some of those alive somewhere. There's a thing in some parts of the country they call them the Orang Pendeck and They in jungles people have reported seeing these little tiny people the little tiny hairy people like you know 30 years ago 50 years ago 100 years ago and so there's this this is Myth of this orang Pendeck and they never took it seriously until they found these little people in the island of flores And like some of these jungles are just so insanely dense, like in Vietnam and places like that. Like, who knows? There might be a small population of these things still alive today. Or where a lot of hundreds of you. A few uncontacted tribes, there's that one in India that every time somebody tries to go there. No, a Sentinel Island. Yeah. Well, they didn't used to. You know, when they started killing them, there was a guy named Commander Maurice Portmore wanted to make a movie about that. [1:049:05] Maurice Vidal Portman. Yeah, he was a pervert. He'd run around fondling people and drawing pictures of them, making them dress up like Roman soldiers and talk about the size of their dicks. Did you know about that? Yeah, it's like this one. A testicles the size of a sparrows egg. Like he was doing science. He's a little pervert. And this guy, he was responsible for getting a bunch of him sick and a few people died. And they even kidnapped people and they tried to raise their kids somewhere else. I think they kidnapped some people. But that was a very hostile interaction with white people. So from then on, you see him start killing him. They're gonna give you herpes. And they're throwing spears at helicopters. They're gonna give you you know herpes and they're throwing spears at helicop They're gonna make fun of your balls So that one guy he just like did you know air quotes science just traveled around all these islands and Fucking with these people Yeah, and now they were like that. Yeah, I know the fucking kill you [1:050:02] They fucking kill you they kill everybody can't even get out of the boat. They're already shooting arrows in your direction. Now they have metal too because they took one of the boats that got stranded there. They had to rescue these people that were stuck on this boat because the North Sentinel people were coming for them in the boat and they literally had to rescue them in time. But they got on to the boat and then the next time they saw them, they noticed that they had metal weapons. So yeah, so they think they've salvaged pieces of the boat and turned it into knives and sharpened them and stuff like that. Yeah. It's crazy because there's only 39 of them. And they're the direct descendants of people who left Africa 60,000 years ago. And because there's such a small number of them on this island the size of Manhattan, they just never passed like how humans were 100,000 years ago or whatever it was 60,000 years ago. They're exactly that they live exactly the way people live back then, which is really wild to say. You know, uncontacted drives man, that is that's one of the weirdest windows into the variability who we are [1:051:07] Yeah, who we are but also the variability that you can have people that are driving around electric cars Talking on cell phones and at the same time some guy is sneaking up on a monkey in the jungle with a bow and arrow with a poison tip on it And you know and his family's been doing it that way forever forever Yeah, they're both happening at the same time, you know That's kind of the wildest part of the story of the people coming to America is that the Native American people lived in this Like one of the things that's really the way was so appealing the one of things that's so interesting about the reports from back then One of the things that's so interesting about the reports from back then was that people that had left modern, air-quote western civilization and moved in with Indians, started living in Indian cultures, they never wanted to go back. But whenever they took people from, like when it was Cynthia Ann Parker, when they kidnapped her when she was nine, and then they rescued her when she was a woman, she wanted to go [1:052:04] back. She escaped twice. Yeah, she's like, I don't want to be, this life sucks. Like that's the life. Like the living in the tent and fucking chasing the buffalo, that's the life. Everybody said that. Nobody wanted to go the other way. There wasn't people that were dying to like get educated and fucking be forced into jobs. Well, Aquana, who was extremely smart as the last chief of the commandeination. And then when he finally went to the reservation of Oklahoma and they said, OK, here you are, he was smart enough and astute enough to make a business of it. And there was a few ranchers, Sam Burpernet, who founded the four sixes, and W.T. Wagner and Charles Goodnight, who needed somewhere to graze their cattle, because that part of West Texas was having a terrible drought. Oklahoma had a lot of good grass. They went up and talked to Kwanan and said, [1:053:01] hey, could we graze our cattle here? We'll pay you. I think it's like you'll pay us. Yeah, we'll pay you. All right. Yeah, I'll do that. And so it became a great, you know, partnership that they had and did that for years. Really until Congress got wind of it and they're like, we don't need those any people making money. That's not, we should outlaw that, which they tried to do. And then Berkbrunette they reached out to Teddy Roosevelt and had him come out and he hunted wolves on the on the Comanche Reservation and then down at the four sixes as well. And they convinced him they got a two-year stay before they finally outlawed it. Wow. But in that time, Quanta needed a house because he had so many people coming to dignitaries and governors and Teddy, and no one would obviously give him a loan. So a good night and Bernad gave Quantan the money to build the starhouse where he lived [1:054:01] and house people. In his bedroom, they called the star house because he painted the ceiling with stars and he would sleep on the floor, not in the bed and stare up at the ceilings on the stars on the ceiling. Wow. Well I think until people have actually spent a night camping looking up at the stars where there's no light pollution at all, they don't understand it, They don't know the appeal. It's an amazing experience. It's like one of the coolest things you could ever see in your life, and you're denied it. You're denied it because of advanced technology that allows us to light the streets. We let the streets, but we cut off the majesty of the heavens, because it humbles you in a way, and it grounds you in a way that's soothing. And I think that's part of the reason why a lot of people, there's a lot of reasons why people have anxiety, but I definitely think that a factor is we're disconnected from the universe, we're disconnected from all the things that our ancestors saw when they would go to bed at night [1:055:02] and they would look up, they'd be like, wow, like before you go to bed at night and they would look up and be like wow. Like before you went to bed what you saw was wow. Yeah. Like look at that. Well think about you've been to New York. Yeah. I lived there for I don't know six months and in that time one day it hit me that I hadn't seen a star and my feet hadn't touched anything but concrete for six months. And I thought I can't live like this. It's not good for you. But there's people who have lived their entire lives like that. Oh yeah, my friend already loves it. Who loves living like that. I mean, he goes to other places too. A lot. He travels a lot. Maybe that's- You know those people with lifelong New Yorkers that they have to record the sound of New York so that when they go somewhere to sleep, they can play that shit, sirens and helicopters. Camping with a guy who does that, you fucking dick. Yeah, there's something about the stars that, to me, it's also like the ocean and the mountains [1:056:02] and the daytime. And the daytime, the oceans and the mountains offer a similar thing. Like when you see the mountains, it's one thing to see photos of the mountains, but when you're in their presence, they look beautiful in photos, but they don't, you don't feel them. When you're driving through a mountain range and you see like snow-capped peaks and these beautiful meadows of grass and big trees, it's like, wow, it's like the most amazing art that you could ever experience. But it's nature. And I think nature has a way of getting us attracted to places that are fertile and places that would hold life. And so when you see the mountains and you see these trees and valleys and a lake and like, this is very fertile, these fertile places are beautiful to us. Just like fertile people are beautiful to us. You know, see women with large breasts and narrow hips and big waist or a big butt and you're like, oh, narrow waist and big hips. You're like, oh, she could give birth. [1:057:00] She's fertile. Like this is what's attractive. Perfect symmetry. Oh, she has good genes, she's fertile. Oh, look at him, he's big and tall and handsome, he's fertile. There's like, there's something beautiful about that to us. It's just nature's way of attracting it to us. So when you're denied like this thing that literally gives you a certain amount of energy, when you, you go through a beautiful place, there's something about it like wow It's like you're not just living life you're living life in the presence of this greatness this insane vision that you can see all around you I think it humbles people in a way and it grounds people in a way and I think the city does the exact opposite I agree does the exact opposite it gives you this weird energy this like Fuck you I agree. Does the exact opposite? It gives you this weird energy. It's like, I ain't fuck you. It's an angry energy. It's a, it's a, it's a, you know, there's, there's herds and there's packs. Right? Herds of the prey animals, packs are the hunters and the city feels full of herds. Yeah. The country feels full of packs. [1:058:04] Yeah, that makes sense people much more self-sufficient one of the more impressive things that I found when I I won't went to Alaska once we were in Anchorage we were doing shows out there and I was like these people feel different they feel like more sturdy I guess if you just live in a place that gets cold as fuck and it doesn't even, like it wasn't even dark out and it was like two o'clock in the morning. It was still like light outside. Like, so this is a weird place to live. And these people are literally at the mercy of nature. And they're surrounded by grizzly bears and wolves and moose. And like everywhere you go, you can see a moose. They can see a moose, they show up on college campuses and stomp people. They're everywhere. It's like you're living in a totally different environment than the rest of the world. And because of that, those, that the people, they're sturdier. They're like more solid. And even when you talk to them, they're just like, they've gone through more to get where they are right now. And you know what they have no interaction with? Almost none. [1:059:06] Government. Right. You go to a small town in West Texas or a small town in rural Wyoming or anywhere. And I split my time. We moved to Wyoming in 2013 before I moved back down to Texas. We still spend the summers up in our ranch there. But it's a town of 175. There's a, the driver's license office is open for an hour on Thursday. There are, there is no, there are no public services. There's, if you want to go to the Social Security office to get a Social Security card or turn in some paper, you're driving 12 hours to Cheyenne. So the only interaction, and this is what people in the city don't understand, the only interaction that people in true rural areas have with the government is paying taxes and the military, because most of them join the military at some point. Those are their only two experiences [2:0:02] with the federal government. Aside from the rules that the government tells them, they don't get any of the benefits that you may or may not get. There's towns in California, you go out into San Bernardino County, you go up somewhere around Viselia in that area, and all this money that they're going to spend on roads and shit and everything else, none of that is making it there. None of it. So their perception of government is, what are you going to, what are you going to make me do? How much money are you going to take for me? That's, that's their experience with that. Right. They're not going to get anything out of it. Nothing. That's a wild thing to think. Yeah. They give into it, but what are they, what are they extract from it? Right. If they get to 65 they get an $1800 a month check that they've been paying the worst investment in history so security The worst investment in your future you could possibly make I'm gonna give you whatever 8% of my check or 12% of my check For my entire from from the day I turned 20 till I'm 65 and retired and then you're gonna [2:1:00] You're gonna shit out an $1800 check to me each month. Well, I'm not gonna do it that. Yeah, can I opt out of that? Are you a lot of opt out of social security? You can't. Seems like you should be. And if you could, it would collapse because the top earners are praying for the entire thing. And never get in. Like there should be some sort of a social safety net for old folks, for sure, especially for impoverished people, for sure, but making people pay into it is where it gets quarrely, especially if you're not gonna get anything out of it, like, okay, like how's this being doled out? Like, well at least, if you're gonna collect that money, if you did the same thing, if you took the same money and you put it into, and I'm not a big, I'm not a big 401k IRA guy, but if you did and you took that same money and invested in just the major indexes, you know, you would take that money and multiply it 10 to 20 fold. [2:2:04] You'd be a millionaire. Let me fuck a millionaire. And I don't know why the government doesn't at least, well they probably do invest it. They just don't give you any investment. Yeah, I don't know who knows what the fuck they do. I don't understand the... My number one problem has always been when people say that we need the rich, we need to pay more taxes. I'm like, sure, where's it going? Where's it going? Do you know where it's going? Do you know if the people that are taking that money in are competent? Do you know how it's being distributed? Do you have any idea where that money's going? You're just gonna trust these people that are so dumb that they work for the government? You get it? We'll remember that's the $1 no the government's most inefficient uh... they they they don't manage our money well because it's not their money yeah they don't have to like whenever you have a situation where you're outside of competition which the government essentially is they're they run the show like if you if you had some sort of uh... [2:3:02] a business and your business was really inefficient and always fucked things up and really had terrible strategies and can never be audited because your books were always fucked up by millions of missing every year. There's no way you would survive. There's no way you would survive. No, you'd be out of business. Because someone better would come along and they'd do a better job and that's what competition is all about. But as soon as you say, you're the ones who get to do this, and then everybody has to pay you, no matter what, no matter what, no matter if you do a good job or a bad job, you don't have options like, hey, this one doesn't seem to be working so well, so there's a private firm that's gonna take over this service. You can opt into that as well. And these people are much more efficient. And these are some people that actually run businesses, and they understand businesses, and they're going to be a publicly traded company. So they're going to be responsible to the shareholders, and they're going to make some fucking money. And they're going to do it right. Well, you know, Texas, I mean, this state makes money. There's no deficit here, and hasn't been for Bakuno so long. They're trying to figure out what to do with all their surplus over here. [2:4:07] That's interesting. Is it because of oil? A lot of it. Yeah. What is the percentage from oil? I don't know. But a lot of, you know, they're charging something. You know, California has as much oil as anybody. They just won't extract it. Well, California is so silly. It's such a silly, but they have the highest deficit they've ever had. California's deficit, what is the California deficit now? It's like 24 billion. I think it's a lot more than that. I think it's more than that. I think it's something kooky. I think it was like, they just announced it was the highest ever deficit. Well, they're running people out of the state but i have more friends that have moved here in the past five years i don't i don't know and act none of the act think about this thirty two thirty two billion dollar that's so crazy thirty two billion dollars for a state [2:5:01] for a state that's not the country that's a state one state thirty two billion dollar deficit that's not the country that's a state one state thirty two billion dollar deficit that's so kooky man who comptroller port of the legislators will have record is this texas records surplus of thirty two billion all right we just give it to california just give it there everybody move there anyway just give it to california yet they would fuck that up next year would be more the thing the thing that I Think you know, there's this debate about climate change which by the way climate's always changing. It's moved change you before we showed up. Yeah We definitely have an impact. No, there you can't have eight billion people on a planet seven billion now eight billion by the time this fucking Podcasts over And not have an effect We're gonna have an effect anyway. Yeah But but they found a way to make it accusatory Everybody was no one knew that this was bad. We built an entire not just America the world Built an entire social structure economy on [2:6:00] Portlion products starting in the 1880s and you can't just shut that off you can petroleum products starting in the 1880s and you can't just shut that off. You can but the collapse the the amount of death that would happen starvation economic collapse. So it's perfectly fine to go Look we we bet on a horse that has some real complications We need to do one or two things or two things. We need to figure out how to access cleaner energy, and we need to figure out if there's a way to make this fuel source that we've based everything on. I mean, look, let's look at all the shit on your table made out of oil. First and foremost, this thing. We're talking through, yeah. Everything, headphones were way. The headphones, the soles of my shoes. Yeah, everything. The socks I'm wearing, everything. You headphones, the soles of my shoes, the socks I'm wearing, everything. You can't shut that off. You've got it. You can wean yourself off of it. You can figure how to make it cleaner. We're more likely to run out of oil before we find its pure replacement to be perfectly honest. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to come up with a cleaner source. But we're [2:7:02] probably more likely to put energy toward how do we refine a cleaner? How can we utilize a cleaner while we're trying to figure out what this other thing is? Yeah, that's a good solution. The bad solution is decide that you can't talk about any of the things that you've just said and that you have to toe the line because climate change is caused by humans and climate change is all bad and we have to go electric and you just you have this very surface view of what the complex problem in front of everybody is and then it becomes a thing and it could be good to think just like 9-11 became a thing. So after that thing like we got attacked now we can do action and then everybody agrees. That action is important. We need to, like, even as ridiculous as going Iraq, like, why are we going over there? That's also something that will happen with climate change. If you have a thing where everybody tells you you have to comply, this is necessary, we're all going to die. And meanwhile, [2:8:01] every one of their predictions has always been wrong. I mean, if you go back to the Al Gore's, a key convenient truth. You can be in a true, it would be no snow by 2006 or something like that. All wrong. No one guesses it right. But that aside, the problem is you're putting in new control. You're putting in a new mandate, a new narrative. This narrative is you have to do this because if we don't we're all going to die. Okay, so everybody has to get on board. And our patience is wearing thin and everybody has to get on board. Why are you driving an internal combustion engine? Why are you still... Okay, but also people are making money in this conversion. You have to understand there's businesses that are set up that are being positively affected by this conversion. They're going to make a fuck load of money. And those are the ones that are gonna influence people to pass legislation that mandates things and make sure that we have only electric cars by 2035. But how are we gonna propel those electric cars? Well, how about where you getting all the fucking conflict minerals? The craziest thing about electric cars [2:9:02] and electric everything is cobalt mining. And lithium, it's all in China. It's not just in China, it's in the Congo and they're using slaves to pull it out of the car. Well, where you start digging into the Congo, you start getting into some pretty precious resources there in Varunga and that area. I mean, that is a world heritage site. It creates like an absurd amount of our oxygen. I mean, it's an extremely important region that is unfortunately extremely mineral rich. Yeah. And the story of how they get the minerals out, this guy said, Darth Cara came on the podcast and he was a journalist that was got embedded in these cobalt mines and got these footage, this fucking insane footage of a sent slave labor essentially. So people have dirt floors, they have no money, they have no food, they have no options. They're carrying their babies on their back while they're mining cobalt. So they're getting all this cobalt dust everywhere. So they're all getting poised and they're all of a host of fucking diseases that are coming [2:010:02] up out from this toxic fuse, they're chipping out of the ground, and that's what powers all of our electric devices. That's a part of it. But the other big problem that no one wants to talk about, and I think that the debate needs to be approached from the standpoint of, we've got one side that says, go be proof that the world's going to end. I don't need to show your proof. I said it. Right. Do this bullshit. Okay, let's just say that we took a corner of Utah and we just solar paneled that fucker and we made enough electricity for the entire nation. Guess what we can't do? Get it anywhere because the grid we do not have the pipeline of the grid. California's maxed out. They can't bring anymore. They've got to run pipeline. They've got to run wires. They're maxed out. They can't get enough power to the cities. As it is, they're doing fucking rolling blackouts. They're telling people to not charge their electric vehicles in the summer. They said that like two weeks after they made the mandate [2:011:01] for 235. Yeah, so maybe figure out how you're gonna get the electricity to the cities. Yeah. And I'm a big supporter of fuck, especially there. Throw solar panels on top of everything. Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? It's free power. Yeah, do it. It's free power and it does work. It definitely, you can power your house with solar if you're under an up yard and you've son at especially in LA where it's sunny all the time. Yeah it's inexcusable to not do it every new house should have them. Yeah but the problem is it's just boy you're dealing with so many people that's the problem like if you wanted to come into California right now and you wanted to manage it correctly and you wanted to fix all the wrongs and you wanted to clean up the streets and stop all the crime like you couldn't even do it. You couldn't even do it. There's too many people that are against you. There's too many people that no matter how badly they fail doing it in a certain direction, they're going to keep going in that direction and they're going to double down. Yeah. [2:012:01] And they're going to try, you know, and now there's so many people leaving California They're trying to come up with this new Tax where if you leave California for the next 10 years. Yeah, you still have to somehow pay Is that nuts? It's just it's nonsense. You can't you can't do it. No, it's not legal But also you fucking criminals like you suck and you know you suck So when people are leaving you like you will we still want money. No we're leaving because you suck like that's what states are about you get to move to a new state and this state's got different loss. I like this one better buy. That's it. We're not we don't have a agreement where I'm we're not paying Alamonia I wasn't married you bitch. Yeah I gotta go yeah see you later. I gotta go see buy. Yeah yeah, I figured out I get it the random California letter like are you sure you don't always any money Have a been there five I mean when you have a 34 or 32 billion Cast it out there so if you catch it you got a fucking send dudes out like let's go but now they're talking about [2:013:03] In you know Here's here's one of the things that I've always found interesting because everyone knows this and no one says it when they talk about the top 1% of the 1% they don't pay income tax. You know, the average, the guy that makes 80,000, a hundred thousand years is paying one higher percentage than those guys. Well, yes. percentage in those guys. Well, yes, because you know what billionaires don't can't they don't get a paycheck. They don't get a W2. All those leaders of the all the head of this bank or that bank they're getting a dollar that's their salary and they're getting stocks. And until they sell the stock we don't know what the stocks work. Everyone talks about Elon Musk is worth 140 however many billions. No, he's not. If he's tried to sell all his stocks today and get that, he would collapse all his companies. Collapse them. You can't do it. Same with Beetzos, same with any of those guys. So it's paper wealth. Are they extremely wealthy? Sure. Where do they get their money from? Are they selling million shares here? Are they selling million there? Maybe they take a line of credit out off of their I don't know, but they don't get a paycheck. Right. Exactly. [2:014:05] And you can't tax an unrealized gain because we don't know what it's worth. They find a loophole of course they did. They're billionaires. Yeah, they're smart guys. They're not paying their share. But if you look at the, that's the narrative in New York City, but you've ever seen the New York City tax breakdown? Like, how much of the taxes paid by wealthy people i'm sure it's sixty percent sixty five percent enormous percent of a small percentage of the population is paying enormous percent of the taxes well it's okay let's just say jeff pitzos's worth let's just say he's worth a hundred billion and if he gets his effective tax rate down to ten percent he's paying ten billion dollars tax rate down to 10%. He's paying $10 billion. So how many people making $100,000? And on the same thing, now they're paying $10,000 on their 100,000. I'm no mathematician, but how many 10,000 times what equals 10 billion? [2:015:01] 10,000, so 100,000 million. Is it a 10,000 times a million? Something like that, yeah. Or a hundred million. What is that? It'd be 10,000,000 million. 10,000,000 million. 10. And also, if their stock drops, like if they paid that much in stock, and when the stock drops the next year, like what are you gonna do then? And now they have to pay less, but now they haven't even left. Yeah, but they can't even sell it all. He couldn't sell, Bezos could not sell 20% of his holdings without dramatically negatively affected the stock price. Right. So if he sold the, I don't know what it's trading at, but let's say it's trading at those, keep it around numbers, $100. Okay, if he sold his first million shares at 100, he's selling his next at 90, he's selling his next at 80, and then there's a, then it's on fucking MSNBC, and now it's worth 30. Yeah. [2:016:01] And then SEC calls and goes, I can't stop trading, something's happening. Yeah, I'm trying to sell my shit. So it's mythical numbers. It is weird. It's weird when you think about it that way. Yeah. So that's why they're not paying taxes on all that money kids. Because it's not money yet. Yeah. Yeah, people don't like to hear that. It's the truth. They like to hear that the problem is with the wealthy people aren't paying enough. They don't wanna hear it's incompetent bureaucrats. You have a fucking gigantic machine that is very inefficient. Let's run this country that does not wanna ever give up that position. And they want your money. They want a percentage of your money. If you don't give it to them, they're gonna come after you like gangsters, they're gonna lock you and put you in a cage. Yeah. And if you owe the money, it's not good enough to pay that money back. Now you have to be punished because you owe that money. Yeah. It's the only kind of debt that you really get, like fucking for sure, locked up in a cage for. Yeah. And I look, I spent way more of my life being broke than having money. And I do get a paycheck. [2:017:05] And Uncle Sam takes a massive chunk of it. They take a chunk. They take a chunk. It's interesting, it's a lot of money. But I wouldn't mind if I thought they were doing a great job. I wouldn't either. I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind if the machine they hit did. Just one thing worked. Yeah. Just one, Let one of them work. Let one of these programs work. Yeah, but this is a narrative that kids get when they're in college and they get introduced to Marxism. The narrative is that, you know, it just hasn't been done correctly and that, in an equal and just society, you wouldn't have such disparity of income. And I understand that this capitalism thing that we're running is not perfect. It's not perfect, but it's the best system that we've ever seen. And the thing about what everyone's saying when it comes to equality of income, you need to take into consideration equality of effort, equality of focus. Sure, there's people that have become wealthy doing shady things and ripping people off and finding legal loopholes to extract money for sure. [2:018:11] No if-hands or butts about it. But also, people have put in insane amounts of work and focus and dedication to whatever the fuck it is, and become way better at it than other people and gotten very successful too. And their businesses have blown up and now they sell, you know, X amount of units at Walmart and this and that. But what the fuck did that guy have to do to do that? And are you willing to do that? You probably aren't. So there's a competition going on. And that guy's way ahead in the regular competition not the stealing competition not to taking advantage people He's way ahead and that guy has been an insane worker for 30 years Yeah, so if you come along and say that guy needs to pay his share And this is the reason why the world's all fucked well no you have a juvenile perspective [2:019:01] Part of the reason why the world's all fucked is that there are people out there that only deal in numbers. They're just throwing numbers around and betting on this and betting on that and they're all doing coke and they're fucking going crazy and flying around in jets and everybody wants the newest watch. Those people are real too. But there's also a lot of people that are doing the same thing you're trying to do. They just did it better and they did it for longer and now they're 70 and they're worth a billion dollars or whatever the fuck they're worth. And he's not the evil of the world. That's just called success. Yeah. Now there are definitely people that are manipulating the system. 100%. And if we if we decided to become a Communist Party tomorrow, those same thieves will be the leaders of the Communist Party. They will find their way. Uh-huh, 100%. There'll be justice fucking right. 100%, 100%. But the guy that goes and takes the idea and builds the business and. Yeah, if you have communism, you're not gonna get rid of psychopaths. [2:020:01] You're not gonna get rid of sociopaths. They're just gonna integrate into the opportuns. They're just gonna integrate into the opportunists. They're just gonna integrate into that system. I mean, how much does that drive us nuts about politicians? If we think that a politician's full of shit, it's like, oh, you're fucking bullshitting. You're bullshitting to get to that spot. And then when you get to that spot, you're gonna benefit from it. So you're just playing the world. that drives everybody nuts and it should because that's the problem the problem is not a system that's in place the problem is who exploits the system who fucking wants to be president oh god who wants that job I mean you know what you want things you said to me that I really like where we're on the phone you're like I'm trying to be less famous like I don't want to do your show to get famous yeah yeah this is the last fucking thing I want. Like good. That's a healthy way to look at it. The only reason to want the job because it is so unpleasant. It's so unpleasant. It is either A, for the most part, you crave power that much. Yeah. Or B, you crave fame that much. [2:021:03] Yeah. You'd be the most famous famous most powerful person in the planet Essentially if you're the president of the United States because there's some really really smart good Thoughtful people that care a lot about the country on both sides of the aisle Yeah, and none of them are running for his offices They don't want to wade through that shit to get to that spot They don't want to wade through that shit to get to that spot. That's the oddest thing about Trump is that he just fucking like it, like water off a ducts back. He just wades through that shit. And that's what I think drives people the most crazy. It's part of what they call Trump derangement syndrome is not just outrage about what he has said or what he has done that's infuriated people it's his ability to fucking brush it off like it's nothing it's not hitting him it's not hurting him they want to hurt him so then you're seeing these lawsuits now now you're seeing you know these uh these crimes that he's being accused of now you're seeing [2:022:04] all this shit that's going down like Rudy Giuliani just gets hit with a hundred and forty nine million dollar lawsuit uh... with these uh... two ladies he has to declare bankruptcy like this is what you know you're seeing all of this stuff that's happening and they're just feverishly trying to call a rata removed him from the ballot now he has to appeal that. Colorado removed him from the ballot because they said he was an insurrectionist. Just wild, wild that you get to make that decision because if somebody else comes along and that president has said, it goes the other way now. Here's the interesting thing about that. And he has not been convicted of that. No. So you have a court of law. This is what's dangerous. And everyone has to forget their blind hatred of Trump for a second. Yeah, forget it. First look at the, the structure of our society. You know, put the widget in there. Insert X is the person, right? X has not been convicted of a crime. [2:023:02] A, a, a Supreme Court looks at evidence that was not presented, they got it from wherever they got it from, with no defense and makes a decision. That's dangerous shit and it may not feel dangerous to people right now who think at any cost keep Trump from being present again. But what happens when that same methodology is used against someone that you do sport? Well, once you open Pandora Talkley and the rule of law is malleable. Exactly. That's what that's what I say I'm talking about. How is this? How is the action of today going to affect the world that my son is trying to raise a child in? Yes. That's what's terrifying to me. Is there so much irrational, emotional behavior around our government, around our government? And also, that's... You can get on the view and say whatever wacky shit you want to say. But when we're talking about courts of law, like everyone needs to... [2:024:01] Our government was built. You've got an executive branch, a legislative branch, and a judicial branch. And it was built to operate very slowly. It was built to be impervious of the emotion. That's the whole reason we're a republic and not a democracy. Because the founding fathers said, you know what, people get real emotional. If they can just vote on anything, and you could look at California as an example, because it only takes like 20,000 signatures to get something on a ballot, which is how they've passed some feel good emotional laws that have actually had some real adverse effects on that state. Yeah. And that's the whole reason we're a representative government. And when we can just start arbitrarily changing the rule of law and the nature of the courts, that will be used against us as a people. It will be used against us. It certainly will be and that's what's so disturbing about today's short-sighted desk and that's what's scary about a person like Trump. What's scary is not him. It's the reaction to him. [2:025:01] It's that the fact that he is able to brush these things off. They keep coming after him with all these different things and none of them have really taken him out yet. So they're just curious about it. They're so angry. And that makes them more likely to use that defense like we got to stop Hitler. So the first debate in 2016 or 15 or whatever it was was on CNN. And they put Trump who at the time is you know he's on the apprentice he's got his show and they put him front and center there's two or three governors up there there's a senator up there there's all these other there there's Rubios up there. Jet Bush is up there from Florida I'm not saying that they're I'm just saying that we have seasoned politicians and CNN put him front and center and said, all right, wait for these firecrackers to go off. This is going to be great. This is going to be great. And the Republican party was freaking out. Whoa, what's going on here? And there was even debate if they were going to ratify him as a, as the nominee at that [2:026:04] point. And they were, the mediaify him as the nominee at that point. And the media was sitting back on the ratings or through the roof. This is great. I think we're kind of, this is going to work out great for Hillary. And all of a sudden, he gets elected. And the media was complicit in that. And I think one of the things that pisses them off more than anything is that they put him there. Yeah. They put them there. I think that's right. That's part of it. But it's also he's such an easy opponent to rally people against if you're on that other side. And when people are very ideologically based and you can connect one person to all the things that you hate, whether it's, you know, he's xenophobia, he's racist, he's this, he's that, he's gonna stop, he's ignorant to climate change. This is a problem, it's a threat to our democracy. He said he'd be a dictator for a day, all these different narratives that get spread out, and then people act on that emotion. They're just very easy to manipulate. When you have a guy that is boisterous, has said ridiculous things, [2:027:06] and does talk the way he talks. It's just easy if he's the opponent to get people rallied up and come up with these really irrational things like what we're talking about, like removing him from the ballot. These are crazy things like you can't do unless a guy is actually guilty and proven of it. They have to be convicted of this. And what if they go to appeal? What happens then? That takes years. Like, there's a decent chance that the fever to get him will be the thing that gets him reelected. I think so. I think it's sort of along the same lines as what happened with CNN during the first election. They thought that they were going to highlight how ridiculous he is, and it was going to crush him. And then Hillary was going to come along as this very competent seasoned politicians, secretary of state, shooing. First woman president, everybody's excited and people didn't buy it. They didn't buy it. [2:028:00] And now they're terrified. It's going to happen again because Biden is way more vulnerable than Hillary. Hillary was at least a seasoned politician, the wife of one of our most famous politicians. Very articulate. Very articulate, lawyer, you know, knew how to handle herself. And Biden is barely there, like he can't debate Trump. It's not even possible anymore. It can't happen anymore. We all know it can't happen. It barely happened in 2020. But the idea of that happening again in 2024, no one believes that. No one believes that. We're in a spot. We're in a crazy spot. And then Bobby Kennedy drops out of the Democrats and now he's an independent and you're like, okay, that's not ideal. Like, ideal was they primary him and Kennedy wins. But then there's all this, there's different people that don't want that primary to take place. And so he makes this decision to become independent. [2:029:02] I think they were going to try to block him from primaries in some way. One of the things that's, and it's been trending this way since the 80s, you know, the primary system is where, is where this, the wheels really start to fall off because the primaries are controlled by the extremes of the base. Right. And they, the registered voters of the Democratic and republican party and and the more vitriolic it gets the more pushes both sides further yeah and and so the further we go to the extreme that is going to be the choice um... man i really think bobby kennedy could have won i think if he beat if you want in the primary and then it's him against Trump I think there's a lot of people that would have voted for Bobby Kennedy I don't know if be enough To to make him elected, but I think that would be a viable candidate I don't know enough about him. I've seen him. I've seen him speak some I think I saw him on your podcast and yeah, it was like an articulate guy [2:030:01] I Don't know enough about him, but, he was an environmental lawyer forever. I mean, he's one of the main reasons why the Hudson River got cleaned up. Holding corporations accountable for environmental pollution. That was what he did for the longest part before all this vaccine stuff. That was his big thing. That was his big quest. And just an incredibly knowledgeable guy. Like when you're talking to him. I mean, not perfect. He's a human being but like a viable candidate Like a guy who like would I think make a great leader? but they didn't want them they don't that that's I felt the same way when Tulsi Gabbard was running I'm like, okay, you got everything you want here. You got a brilliant woman who's a veteran was deployed overseas Twice in medical units like put together people that got blown up. Congresswoman for eight years, articulate from Hawaii woman of color, you got everything, you got everything you want there, but you don't want her. Why? Because you can't control her, because she's independent, [2:031:01] she has like these rock solid moral values, and she's not playing ball. She's not playing ball, you don't like it. And so this best case scenario that you had, that you've always said you've been looking for, now you're ignoring that one. Well, what are you doing? What are you doing? You're playing a weird game. You're controlling what the people get to choose on. You're not just controlling once you get an office. You're controlling what the people get to choose on you're not just controlling Once you get in office you're controlling what the people get to choose who gets into office and that's when Fools conspiracy theories about the Illuminati and other people are secretly controlling the strip You don't you wonder why all those shows are so popular and all those reddit conspiracy threads are so popular There's no popular because it's obvious people are conspiring We're not fucking stupid. We're not stupid. That's the whole point of the Bernie Sanders thing. Bernie Sanders, the Democratic Party, was trying to keep him from fucking ruining the primaries with Hillary. And they conspired. They worked together to keep their guy out because they [2:032:02] didn't think he was going to play ball. And he probably wouldn't have. No. It's a weird thing that people find these justifications and rationalizations for doing something that's completely opposite of the structure that was put in place by the founding fathers to prevent tyranny. They put this stuff in place. They set up in a very specific way that there was all these checks and balances so it was insanely difficult for something to become a tyrant Yeah But but we we have the landscape now that being laid out That's ripe for one. Well, that's what makes it so dangerous about social media today And that's what makes it so dangerous about having a guy like Trump who is either loved or hated That's it. It's either one or the other. Yeah, there's not a lot in between. There's not a lot of people that are like, mm, he's all right. Just like, you either love that guy or you hate that guy. And as an enemy, as like a force that you could root against, [2:033:01] you know, it's a natural inclination for, look, I went to a fucking high school football game the other day and it was Houston playing against Austin Great game incredible. How good these guys are in high school Incredible game incredible game Texas football is a fucking religion. It was amazing, but my point is When you go to this thing everybody is angry at the people from Houston and the people from Houston are angry at the people from Austin. They're like, oh shit, but that fucking call sucks, this breath sucks. These are your fucking state. This is your fellow people. They live two hours away. You can drive for two hours, you can go visit them, but the fuck? We're so tribal that we're tribal even inside our state with fucking kids playing football And it's and I think a lot of it's this fucking Sorry 100% Yeah, it gives equal voice to someone who you would never care [2:034:01] Phone's in it is in social media. Yeah, that's why I don't do it. That's why I'm not on that shit. Good for you. Yeah, I wonder if I would do it if I wasn't if I didn't use it for my business. I'm still fine. I find value in it. There's definitely some value in being exposed to interesting things. So I'm exposed to a lot of interesting things, but it's you got to be real careful with that trickle. You got be real careful about how much you turn that spigot on, because it's really, it could really fucking flood your house. There's a lot of people living in the garage apartment over Mama's house that have nothing to do. Yeah. But sit here and fucking troll. And it, and troll and just even just waste your time scrolling through things. You forget about the negative aspects of it, the people doing negative things, but just wasting your fucking time. You gotta be careful, because you would like look at girls doing squats for like four hours. And you go, where did the time go? I didn't get anything done. And it's also dividing us. [2:035:00] And it's creating these bubbles, these echo chambers where people get in, and I find them all the time online. I'll find someone saying something ridiculous. Like there was some post where this lady in Canada, she just did a press conference, like a couple days ago where she's doing this press conference telling everybody to get vaccinated and wearing a mask at a press conference. And then my Canada has a fucking time machine. They just brought us back to 2020. Like this lady was on to recommending for kids that they get vaccinated with a mask on. You know what camera? You know what's fascinating to me. We, this whole, this whole vaccine thing is one of the most fascinating things I've ever sat back and witnessed. Yeah. That again comes back to that rule law This whole vaccine thing is one of the most fascinating things I've ever sat back and witnessed. Yeah. That again comes back to that rule law and, you know, write a privacy, write of, you know, independent decisions about your body, all these things that are. And yet we start, if you don't get vaccinated, people are getting kicked out of it. They were losing their jobs. Yeah. [2:036:01] And then it turns out, oh, whoops, it doesn't prevent you from getting it. It doesn't prevent you from transmitting it. And it might have a host of side effects. Whoops. And then it's just kind of like went away and everything. And everything you'll see a commercial, a catcher booster, but all the, all the, you're losing your job, you're, you know, they were vilifying people. They were vilifying people. And in Canada at least they're trying to bring it back I can't watching that video was like bananas You see this lady giving it away. She's not but she's wearing a mask and there's no one near her She's in front of a podium. She's wearing a mask. I I was saying it earlier. I see people driving by themselves. Yeah, we're in a mask. Yeah, it's an anxiety thing. It's a mental illness thing as well. It's also a delusional thing because if you look at it scientifically, it doesn't work. It just doesn't work. Right, those cloth masks, people who are those little surgical masks, they just don't do jacks. [2:037:01] Well, they told us they didn't work for the first six weeks or eight weeks of the deal. Fauci stood up there and said, hey, it didn't work. In fact, you're more likely to get it if you wear a mask because you don't know how to wear a mask, which kind of sounded like bullshit to me, but that's what he said. And then he's like, I can't hurt. And then about a month later, you have to. Yeah. Where's the scientific data for any of this? I don't know what happened there. Maybe Nancy Pelosi had some mass stock. Maybe they all did. I mean, I get why you would think it would work. But as soon as you know that it doesn't work, we should move to science then. Because if you're saying trust the science, okay, well the science seems to indicate that it doesn't work. So maybe we thought it worked, we did some studies, we found out not only does it not work, but there's also problems that come from wearing dirty masks. There's also a thing where you're not supposed to, if you have those really tight ones, like those N95s, whatever, you're not supposed to wear them for long periods of time. They're not designed for... Well, they're cutting your inside the mask, you're [2:038:07] breathing that in. Who knows what the fuck's going on there? It was, science was conveniently used. Again, we politicized a pandemic. Right. And they haven't figured out how to, that gene is not fitting back in the bottle. It was also one of the rare times where people were told not to do your own research. Yeah. Don't do your own research. Trust the science. That was a narrative. Like trust who? You brought to you by Pfizer on F**kered CNN? This is crazy. I can't believe this is even real. This is so, it's so or welling. It's so or well-earned. It's so propagated. If it was in a film, a dystopian film about the future, you'd be like, how do they get that stupid? That seems weird that they would be that dumb. That it's like brought to you by Pfizer. Don't do your own research. Do your own research. What are you a conspiracy theorist? Are you an anti-vaxxer? [2:039:01] You're the reason why people are dying. Like you'd be like, this movie's nuts, but that's exactly what it was. The fucking White House put out a press report that said that for the vaccinated, don't worry, you've done your part. But for the unvaccinated, you're looking at a winter of severe illness and death. This is when it was mild. This is the mild strain that was killing probably less people in the flu. What are you talking about? It was the craziest thing I've ever seen. It's nuts. It's nuts and now we're finding out that the government was paying social media sites and paying media to go after anti-vaxxers. social media sites and paying media to go after anti-vaxxers? You know, they're paying them. The thing that I think is the greatest casualty of the past really, I'm going to say six to eight years, but with 2020, with the vaccine, with everything you go back to. [2:040:04] And look, again, I'm not a saying I'm a supporter, but I mean, when you sit here and say, this is a hoax, that's a hoax, oh, turns out it's not a hoax. This is not true, this was that. No, turns out that is true. That this is true. Yeah, this is misinformation. Yeah. And then we just try and wash it under the rug and we just don't look over here, look over here. Don't look at the fucking thousands of homeless in San Francisco that are all suddenly gone the day before the, whatever they call the prime minister of China, or Premiere, whatever. That's fucking awesome. The Xi Jinping thing, yeah. Streets are spotless. I was just looking through my phone to try to find that video, Jamie. See if you can find it if that lady announcing that people should be boosted. God damn it. I should have saved it. But maybe it's end-woveness on Twitter Maybe he had it. It's one of those accounts that I follow the great casualty of this is gonna be mainstream media They're gonna yeah, they're gonna lose because as soon as you lose trust in a new source It becomes not a new source unless It's telling you what you want to hear so now [2:041:05] These major news publications that we all relied on for unbiased news or largely unbiased news are no longer that. And so all you can turn to is the one that at least you agree with. Right. Okay, so they become activists. And so then yes, and so then you keep dividing us. And then as we come up with new, pick the issue of the week that we now are confronted with, it wasn't an issue a week ago. Now we're divided over that and we just keep getting carved into smaller and smaller groups. Yeah, and that would definitely be in the favor of people who want to keep us divided and going after each other so they can continue to tighten their grip on what we can and can't do. Have you ever looked, have you ever seen the Greenberry Handbook has basically a pyramid of how to overthrow a country? Really? Yeah. I got a piss. Can we hold that thought? Yeah. Come back with the Greenberry Handbook. I want to hear that. All right, we'll be right back. We're back. The Greenberry Handbook on how to overthrow a country. So how's that work? Yeah, well, I'm going to get it wrong, but essentially, it really [2:042:08] begins with dividing a people and creating a lack of faith in the government and the more that you can, if you can start to infiltrate institutions, like institutions of education, if you can start to, if you can start to, and the chances are very high that, you know, our enemies, and we have them as the United States, we certainly have enemies that have a lot of money and a lot of technical power and time, and play the long game and have been injecting these things for 30, 40 years into our society. But if we could probably pull it up somewhere I bet he could find a... Well, that's the Yuri Besman off thing. You've seen that video, right? On YouTube, Yuri Besman, oh, you haven't, it's amazing. It's a guy in 1984, he's a defector from the KGB explaining the ideological subversion [2:043:01] that they've imparted in these American institutions, how they've done that? Exactly what you're talking about. How they start injecting Marxism and Leninism. He's talking about how many generations it takes before you destroy the morale of the country and all faith and democracy. And it's essentially what we're seeing now, but he was saying it was already begun. This ideological subversion and he lays it all out in 1984 in an interview. Yeah. You have to see it. Paul version and he lays it all out in 1984 in an interview. Yeah, you have to say it. Paul Harvey, you know who that is? Sure. So he did a thing, God, back in the 60s or 70s and he equated it to the devil and maybe it is or you could also say it's it's it's just that but he did a radio piece on on how to destroy America, the social fabric of it. Wow. And it's and it's as though somebody just took the social fabric of it. Wow. And as though somebody just took America, the social fabric of America from the late 60s to today, and the timeline of the things that he said, it's pretty wicked, it's pretty powerful. Wow. I'm not shocked. I mean, if you think about all the things [2:044:02] that we do to manipulate other countries, I'm not shocked that someone would do that manipulate us, and that they would do that and manipulate us, and that they would do it through education institutions. That's the way to do it. You get kids. And then you train them as they leave and then they go into the workforce. They have these ideas like burned into their heads. And that's probably what all this gender confusion shit is, this giant uptick of it. It's literally probably engineered. And I think that's also what a lot of the climate stuff is. And a lot of the different things that people are fighting over, it's not just these big financial institutions that are invested in climate change and green energy and all these different things, but it's also other countries just fucking with us. I think it's a lot of the trolling that you're seeing online is fueled by other countries I think a lot of the the narratives that get pushed or Filled by other countries and I think that's what we would do if we were probably doing it to I'm sure I'm sure it's a side up right. Yeah, I'm sure we're doing it to yeah I'm sure but I'm sure that's also one of the reasons why it would be nice to be able to lock down the internet We have to be able to stop that so we're gonna only have government approved internet like China has [2:045:08] That's how China keeps us from interfering with their lives and the only way that we know that we're gonna do the right thing over here But you know what China's really playing they're doing something nasty So we're not gonna let them in our internet anymore We're gonna shut our internet down and only make it for people in North America. And everybody be like, okay, gotta keep chained out. Yeah, slowly but surely if we let them, they'll try to get more and more control. And that gets fucking super sketchy. Super sketchy. Yep. So what do you find this green beret? I mean, I went down a path and I don't think I'm gonna get there because with the Green Bray Handbook, this tells you how to overthrow government be available on the internet. They better not be. Yeah. If you play a little of that Yuri Besbinoff, I know we played it many times, but you need to hear it because it's so wild to watch him say it. [2:046:01] You watch him say it in 1984 and back then you pull up the Paul Harvey thing from whenever that was about to be able to pull that up because I haven't heard that and I've heard the bell but not thing we played only five times at least it'll blow your mind. It's not good but it also gives us a chance to write the ship. It hasn't fucking hit the rocks yet. Like we can still come out of this. Paul Harvey. If I were the devil, is this the thing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. If I were the devil, if I were the prince of darkness, I'd want to engulf the whole world in darkness, and I'd have a third of its real estate and four fifths of its population, but I wouldn't be happy until I have seized the riposte apple on the tree. THE. So I've said about however necessary to take over the United States. I'd subvert the churches first. I'd begin with a campaign of whispers, with the wisdom of a serpent I would whisper to you as I whispered to you. Do as you please. [2:047:02] To the young I would whisper that the Bible is a myth, I would convince them that man created God instead of the other way around. I would confide that what's bad is good and what's good is square. And the old I would teach to pray after me, our father, which are in Washington. And then I'd get organized. I'd educate authors in how to make lured literature exciting so that anything else would appear dull and uninteresting. I'd threaten TV with dirty or movies, and by subversa, I'd pedal narcotics to whom I could. I'd sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction. I'd tranquilize the rest with pills. If I were the devil, I'd soon have families at war with themselves, churches at war with themselves, and nations at war with themselves, until each and its turn was consumed. And with promises of higher ratings, I'd have mesmerizing media fanning the flames. If I were the devil, I would encourage schools to refine young intellects, but neglect [2:048:02] to discipline emotions just let those run wild. Until before you knew it, you'd have to have drug-sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every schoolhouse door. Oh, shit. Within a decade, I'd have prisons overflowing. I'd have judges promulging pornography. Soon I could evict God from the courthouse, then from the school house, and then from the houses of Congress. And in his own churches I would substitute psychology for religion, and be a fice science. I would lure priests and pastors into misusing boys and girls and church money. If I were the devil I'd make the symbol of Easter in egg and the symbol of Christmas, a bottle. If I were the devil I'd take from those who have, and to those who wanted until I had killed the incentive of the ambitious. And what'll you bet? I couldn't get whole states to promote gambling as the way to get rich. I would caution against extremes in hard work, in patriotism, in moral conduct, I would convince the young that marriage [2:049:08] is old-fashioned, that swinging is more fun, that what you see on TV is the way to be. And thus I could undress you in public, and I could lure you into bed with diseases for which there is no cure. In other words, if I were the devil, I'd just keep right on doing what he's doing. What year was that? 65. Holy shit. 1965. That's amazing. 65. Wow. April 3rd, 1965. Paul Harvey nailed it. Yeah. Wow. So you can you can use devilism, euphemism for anything that you want. Yeah. But the result's the same. And we're seeing it. We're seeing that. You know, I think they said, somebody said, [2:050:02] all these things are bad work ethic, all these things are racist. Yeah. Yeah. Toxic masculinity. Oh, yeah. I've been accused of that. Congratulations. You're on the right side. That's a fascinating one. Yeah. Defun the police. Toxic masculinity. Yeah, that worked one. Yeah, defund the police, toxic masculinity. Yeah, that worked great. Yeah, they're all in the same sort of category of things. Like that seems silly. Seems silly to think that way. You need all of it, indeed masculinity and femininity. It's okay, be whatever you are, but you fucking need it. And if you wanna tell those dudes at a playing football that they're toxic masculine, what else are you gonna get? Who's gonna play football than super aggressive alpha males? What are you talking about? Why is that? It's not toxic. That's not toxic. No, it's just natural masculine behavior. Yeah. It's not toxic. [2:051:00] What about toxic? It's all stupid. That term as applied. It's like, but these are all terms that have been created. It's fascinating that language is being reinvented before our eyes. There's all these new words that are just meant to keep one person from disagreeing with another person's position. I love microaggressions. That's a great one. Just like little bitty up. That was a microaggression. Yeah, and you can call people out. I called them out on this microaggressions. That's a great one. Just like little bitty up, that was a microaggression. Yeah, and you can call people out. I called them out on this microaggression. But. I don't think I've ever been guilty. I don't think anyone's ever been curious about my, you know, if I'm upset at you, you're gonna look and know it. Yeah, that's how it should be. Yeah, Yeah. Well, that's one of the things I really loved about that Ronald Reagan Walter Mundail thing. Like looking Walter Mundail laughing when Ronald Reagan got him with that. Yeah. They had they had respect for each other. They completely disagreed policy-wise. Yeah. But but what changed? What changed in us? So there's a there was a and I'm going to [2:052:02] he this guy's a wizard on the computer. So he'll find it for me. There's a guy that wrote a book. I have not read it. I just read this passage. I think the New York Times are Atlantic or somebody wrote about this. And he's either a political writer. And I can't remember his name. Book was written in the 90s. And he talked about the fundamental difference between liberalism and conservatism and the reason that it's destined to continue moving out to these extremes and that there can't ever be any compromise. And essentially, it stated that the liberal point of view was that crime and all these social liels, it was a social construct and that if you could find a way to level the playing field for everybody that crime would be eliminated, all these issues would go away, poverty would go away, all the social itals that we have would disappear if everyone had the same opportunities and the same stuff. The flip side of that is the conservative view, which is there's evil in the world, there's [2:053:08] good in the world. We're going to try and manage the evil as best we can and create an opportunity for people to succeed or they can fuck up and best of luck. One side seems naive, one side seems extremely harsh, but those are the beliefs. And that side can never compromise with this side and vice versa because you're abandoning your own ideology. Yeah. That's essentially it. And you're also seeing now, this is a weird one. I was watching this clip that I saw on YouTube of Tucker Carlson on Tim Pools show talking about aliens. And he's talking about it from like a, like almost like a religious perspective. He's like, I think what they're essentially saying is that there's like, he was talking about good and evil. See if you could find the clip. [2:054:00] He's talking about good and evil. And he's talking about it in relationship to UFOs and that they've always been here. So it's like, are you trying to say, like, what does he know? And can you say what you know? Like, why do you think this? And are you saying that like a lot of the talk of like angels and devils in the Bible and good and evil that it actually manifests itself in physical form. And we don't know what it looks like because we haven't seen it, but when we do see it, we think it's a UFO. So we think it's from another planet, but it's really just evil or really just good. So it's angels and devils. Is that what you're saying? Because that's what you're saying? That's a fucking freaky argument because that's one of the weirdest arguments about the UFO thing is that we are essentially containers of souls and that what this planet is for for these beings is they mine souls here [2:055:01] and that they develop souls here and that all of our motivations for existing and all of our ego and all of our ambition is really just a way to Carry that soul as a vessel and that they then harvest well, I don't know I don't I don't understand what the argument is that sounds like that sounds like what would have been What should have been the sequel to Matrix instead of what was right or what have been a better version that that's how artificial intelligence is created that's how life is created much how like a bee creates a bee colony they could be hive inside the hive the queen lays the larvae everyone knows how to do it and they all do it that way maybe the soul being in this biological vehicle and given this intelligence and this desire to achieve and to pursue technological innovations and all these different things that human beings do allows them to get to the point where we're at right now, [2:056:00] where they create artificial intelligence. And what these UAPs and UFOs that are appearing in greater numbers and being reported by all these fighter jet pilots, and I was maybe what they're doing is they're witnessing the farmers who are coming by to watch their creation give birth to this thing, which is them, which is AI. Which is an, not artificial. The artificial is the wrong word. A new form of life, a life that is not based in biology and breeding through sperm and cells and eggs, but instead completely technological and able to self-reproduce and able to create its own version of itself that's far superior to the one that initially created it. And that it would constantly do that. And that's what the universe is filled with. That what we are, we're just this fucking caterpillar that's making a cocoon. We don't even know what we're doing. And we're going to give birth to this butterfly. And that's what the whole human race is about. [2:057:03] And that's the sinister aspect. That's what good and evil and all these different things playing off against each other is that we need this constant competition. We're always searching for utopia, searching for that meadow. We can retire in. But it's like this strife and this struggle is what makes us continue to push society further and further until this thing is born. Listen what Tucker says. It's my personal belief based on a fair amount of evidence that they're not aliens. They've always been here. And I do think it's virtual. That's my view. And again, it's not provable, but based on the evidence, I think. I'm looking at the other group. If the US government has in fact had contact, direct contact with these beings, whatever they are, I've already told you what I think they are, and is entered into some sort of agreement with them, which is the claim of informed people, I would say, whether they're right or wrong, I can't say conclusion. But if that is true, I mean, it's a very, very, very heavy thing. [2:058:00] A lot of people say it's for dimensional beings. I want to ask, are angels and demons, or how would you describe these beings? You know, I, these are, again, I'm getting into the realm of conjecture, so I just want to say that flat out. Entity? But one thing I know for a dead certain fact having seen it is that there is good and evil. We're being acted upon it all times, and I think every person can feel that in himself. I mean, there are moments when you are moved to do things that are much better than you actually are, and they're also more evil and destructive than you actually are. You are subject to forces from outside yourself. That is absolutely true. Now, we can argue about what they are. But every person in the room, if he's reflective, will tell you, yes, I know what you're talking about. And so there are forces that are not human that do exist in a spiritual realm of some kind that we cannot see and that when you think about it sort of makes you think we live in an anpharm being right and that's just that is real okay. That might be what's going on. Here well those are some patient-freaking alien angels, because they waited around 10,000 years [2:059:10] from discovering a wheel and domesticating the first plant to electricity. Well, if you have artificial intelligence, and if you have a life form that's a million years more advanced than us, it's non-biological at that point. You have all the time in the world. And if you're in a- What is time at that, you start bending time and- And one of the primary theories about how life got started on Earth is pan spermia, which is that amino acids and various building blocks of life come in in asteroids. They slam it to the Earth and that somehow or another over the course of millions and millions of years of chemical interactions, billions of years, you have life, single cell, complex life, and then that life advances to the point where it creates a new version of life. And if that is just how it works everywhere, we say, oh my god, that takes so much time. But does it? Because think about how much time it takes to make a fucking planet. [3:0:05] Think about how much time it takes for all that matter to coalesce and to gel up into this fucking ball. And then for the temperature to stabilize, because it has a moon around it that's one quarter the size of the planet itself. And everything is kind of stable and it gets the point of biological life can exist. And then it starts fucking making shit and make better and better and better and better. And it's our arguing with shit about climate change and gender pronouns and all this stupid shit while it's the real thing it's doing is forcing you to get that motherfucker online. Get that new life form online. That's what you really do stupid. The thing that as always, and even Stephen Hawking talked about it. So you've got the Big Bang Theory where you have Essentially all this anti-matter compressed upon itself until it explodes and creates a matter Yeah, and the whole in that argument is Anti-matter anti there's no matter There's nothing and there was so much nothing that it compressed until there was something. And so the first thing that we [3:1:05] base everything on defies the laws of physics, like how can nothing compress itself until it makes something? You know, we could be off .002 percent on our theories of life and how this universe was formed. And if that's wrong, we don't have any fucking idea where we are what this is. No, we don't. And Terence McKenna once said it best, that science asks of you one miracle. That's the big bang. There's one miracle. It really is kind of like a miracle. In the beginning there was nothing and then God created the earth in the sky. And essentially what the Bible is trying to say, they're just doing it in a way. And the Bible got it right. They got the order right. Right. You know? I think it's based on an understanding that people had achieved. [3:2:01] Because if you think about the Bible, right? And if all these people are correct about the original history of sophisticated civilization, if the Randall Carlson's and the Graham Hancock's and the Robert Schocks of the world and the John Anthony West, if they're correct and the timeline of like say the most sophisticated society that we are aware of, which is Africa. If those people that lived in Africa 30,000, 40,000 years ago in Egypt, if they created in Africa 30,000, 40,000 years ago in Egypt, if they created a society that was infinitely more sophisticated than anything that we had ever seen before. How did they do that? Who did that? And what was that like? Like what the fuck was that like? What was that world like back then? I mean, if you ever really stopped and tried to think and imagine what was that world like back then? I mean, Well, how about that you have a similar world in Central and South America where they also had built things [3:3:02] many thousands of years ago that still, like, how the fuck do you do that? Yeah. How'd you do that? Easter Island. How did you all make those things? Yeah. How in the world and then move them? Well, I think if those things go down and then people have to rebuild, I think it takes a long time before people figure out what happened. I think it takes a long time. And I think that's where a lot of the confusion that you see in the Bible comes from. Like the God made the earth in the sky and everything in like six days, right? Then on the six day he rested. Okay. What are they actually saying though? This is, you're getting things that are translated from a written, an oral history of a thousand years, and then they're writing it down in Aramaic, they're writing it down in Ancient Hebrew, and you're getting it many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many years later, long after. Deluded in all kinds of, think about what people are willing to do today to the Constitution. [3:4:04] Today, with all the information that we have about the dangers of this, think about what people are willing to do today to the Constitution. Today, with all the information that we have about the dangers of this, think about what they're trying to do today. Now, imagine what you would do if you had the real knowledge of the birth of the solar system, of the development of human beings, and the God energy of the universe. And you tried to translate it over an oral history because there's chaos, because there's no more cities anymore. Everyone's dead. And you're just like hunting and gathering as cave people and you're trying to relay this origin story of mankind. And then it gets written down in parables and it gets written down in Latin and it gets translated over the years. And then people try, okay, then they sit down and they look at it many years later and they go, what the fuck were they trying to say? Like, what were they trying to say? Because so much of what they're trying to say, if you're really paying attention, I could seem like it's kind of laid out like the origins of the universe. If in the beginning there was nothing, [3:5:01] like they're talking about the Big bang. If the scientists all agree, how do they know that? There was light. But it would be the big bang. Why wouldn't they assume back then that God was always around? Why would they assume that God had to make everything? Why would they assume that there was a beginning in an inch because they have a beginning in an inch? Is that rational? Why would they assume that? And why did everybody assume that? Maybe because they fucking knew. Maybe because at one point in time, whether it's 10,000 years ago, 20,000 years ago, they had figured a lot of this shit out. Well, someone figured something out for every through the pyramids in the way that they were built to be aligned so perfectly with a true North and just to be able to construct them. If those people were that smart, why wouldn't we imagine they had an understanding of the birth of the universe? Why wouldn't we imagine they would have this bizarre understanding of the way morality and good and evil play out with human beings? Maybe they were right. Maybe they were right, but it all just got fucked up over the thousands of years after asteroid impacts, thousands of years of the destruction of the advanced civilizations [3:6:06] and the world going back into chaos and then slowly rebuilding. And you're rebuilding with these ancient texts that you find in clay pots and cumron. And that you never see them when they translate like the Dead Sea Scrolls and they lay them out and they have to try to figure out which pieces go with which scroll and they do it based on DNA. This all this DNA is from this cow. so let's take this scroll from this cow skin and put it together and try to read what the fuck they said. It's incredible, but it makes sense. It makes sense if you buy into the idea that there's been a restart of civilization, and then you go back and say, okay, what is the history of the Bible? How old is it? What's the oldest version? Like what's the oldest version of the story? The oldest version of the story. Yeah, who knows? Right, who knows? Right, what was the original, like you're playing a game of telegram, right, or telephone with over a thousand years. With whom it knows how many people. But if we've seen what the Egyptian people were able to build. What was that like? How sophisticated were they? [3:7:07] And maybe what we're getting at in the Bible is just the longest game of telephone, of a true story. It's just all kind of gumbled up in stories and God's testing you and all this thing about, you know, God telling this guy to kill his kid. May, that was a little screwed up. But it's showing you that there are evil forces at play and there are temptations that must resist those. In a story that you can understand. Exactly, but it's the heart of it is true to it. Because what is a day to God? Yeah, what does that mean? Is that a billion years? Yeah, a hundred billion? Who knows? Who knows? But it's presented in a way that you can digest it. Yes. And then our version of this simplified, uneducated, barbaric version that gets translated from people that are involved in sword fights. [3:8:00] They're fucking, they're fighting each other with swords and hacking each other to death for thousands of years while they're telling this story, the crusades, all these different things that people did during that time, horrific things, and during that time they're doing it many of them in defense of their God and defense of their religion. They're motivating people by these books. It's fascinating stuff. It's fascinating stuff. It's fascinating. But when you hear a guy like Tucker Carlson saying that he, like, what else do you know, bro? Say, say what you know. Like what, what makes you say that? Because if that really is what it is, that would make sense to me why the government would keep that information for people. Because if we found out that people were essentially just a vessel of souls and that we are essentially designed to give birth to artificial intelligence and then that will be the end of us. If that's where they're not worried about nuclear war, that's why they're not worried about the environment. They don't give a fuck about anything. This is all coming to an end. We're there. Like we have it. We have it to the degree that people are already relying on it heavily. [3:9:05] Yeah. Advertising agencies are relying on it to tell them how to cut a commercial, how present the logo needs to be in the commercial. I guess this is happening right now. Oh yeah. This shit just appeared three years ago. Right. And now I think somewhere, maybe it's Brazil, and I could be wrong, but somewhere, AI just wrote its first law. They used AI to write a law. You can look at that. I don't know why I think it's Brazil or Salvador or somewhere. South or Central America. That's how it begins. I for one welcome President AI. I think they'll be wiser. They're gonna do a great job and the definitely not going to be Anti-human at all. They're gonna see our flaws as our strengths. Brazilian City passed a law without water meters. ChatGPT wrote it. Wow Wow only after it passed they revealed that it was created by AI [3:010:03] But that seems like it was prompted. AI has to prompt it. The really scary thing is when AI doesn't prompt it and it just creates its own shit or when someone doesn't prompt the AI, rather. You remember how wild you thought Terminator was the first time you saw it? Yeah. And now we're just skipping toward it. Have you ever seen those memes? It's Sarah Connor looking at you while you make friends with chat GPT? No, I never seen any memes in my life. I don't I'm not That's right. Yeah. You're meme free. I have to start sending you some cuz I got some funny ones to text them I'll text them to you. Don't worry. I got some fucking bangers I'm in some I'm in some text chains with some comedians. I got the best memes on earth. They all come my way It's awesome. There's so many funny people out there that are creating memes. It's a specific type of humor that is really accelerated because it's totally anonymous. Because sometimes people put watermarks on them, but oftentimes the people put in the watermarks on them. They're not even the people that have created them. I know that for a fact, [3:011:00] because people will put watermarks on my videos and it's not even me, not my watermarks. Somebody else puts watermark on my video and puts it online. And so there's a lot of them like that, like a shitload of them. They'll take clips of this show and then they put their own watermark on it and put it up on YouTube or put it up wherever on TikTok and what happened. Yeah, that was all the time And you like, they're hilarious. Like some of them, the funniest shit that I see on any given day is a meme that a friend of mine sends me. So it's like just regular people that are figuring out this new comedy art form that's pure because you don't monetize it. It's pure. You just it's just getting sent to people in text messages and you're like BAAAHHHHH! It's just it's like the amount of people laughing at memes through it any given day So you don't even know this alright. I'm gonna have to hit you with some of these because some of these are fucking great There's some bangers out there. Sarah Connor watching you all becau-fresed chat gbt. How funny is that right? That's great. Yeah, there's a shitload of those man [3:012:05] they're constantly making them and I Send them back and forth to my comedian friends all day long. Here's one Thank God California past band plastic straws See buddy, right? Yeah, there's that's what you get a lot of man like all day long. I'm getting these fucking things It's just a man here's a good one How vegans be looking at you why you finally trying a bite of their fake macaroni and cheese See hilarious did you see what's this guy's name? You know that one Jamie? That one's that one's a bad here Pierce Pierce Morgan. Yes, when Pierce Morgan had the eight the hamburger in front of the vegan Did you see that no I didn't they freak out? Oh? While they're wearing leather shoes here's another good one feminist when they hear the people being drafted for World War three [3:013:00] There's so funny so many good ones like fuck climate change. I discovered cock There's so funny. There's so many good ones. Like fuck climate change. I discovered cock. Come on man. All day long getting these. I'm laughing all day. You know I'm very appreciative of all the people out there. You mean warriors. Keep it up. Making my day more fun. And I have no idea who made any of those. I'd give them all credit but they're hilarious. That's fucking I get them all day long man. I'm just constantly getting them. That's great. Yeah, send them I'll send them all your way That's great. I got a shit load on them. Yeah, send them and I don't know where they come from and maybe AI's making them maybe rushes making them I Don't think the Russians are that funny. They are that funny That's part of the internet research agency was making really funny memes during the 2016 election So one of some of the work, yeah, there's a lot of dispute about this because some of the people that have created this research have also partly been responsible for similar disinformation allegedly. But anyway, there's this one woman who came to my podcast to talk about it and she had done a lot of research on it [3:014:01] and her name was Renee de Resta. And she said there's hundreds of thousands of them that were created by these Russian troll farms, and some of them were really funny. They were really funny. And they created these specifically to mock Hillary Clinton or to mock Donald Trump or to mock this or to mock Texas or to mock the blue states or mock the red states. And they just would crank these out and throw them online and just keep every yeah said it keep make people like argue about shit you're thinking about your reading the comments on your deal what Instagram or whatever the fuck it is and the chances that that's some Chinese 23 year old sitting in a fucking warehouse on his computer yeah with a whole shitload of them yeah the Ministry of State or whatever they call it and he's just sitting there firing off his troll shit. Highly likely. Yeah. Highly likely that a percentage of them are that. There's certainly people that engage in that stupidity all day long, but there's also, I'll go to, like I'll see someone that has a ridiculous take on something. Let me check out that guy's page and I'll go to his page and I'll go to his page and I'm like, oh, you're a fake person. You're a fake person This is like you got an American flag and you're fucking Twitter bio. You're not a real person [3:015:08] You have two followers and you don't have any posts But you're just like shitting on people and you're getting involved in these things like okay I see you're all you do is reply to things and when I look at your apply They're all very specific the way you do it and A lot of times you can take certain things that people say and you can put them in a search engine and you'll find hundreds of Twitter accounts that are the exact same thing they're saying for bait them. Really? Yeah, they're all fake accounts. And there's a shitload of them, like inflammatory things about whatever it is, whether it's abortion or the border or whatever it is. You'll see that there's a certain percentage of that argument that's being fueled by people that aren't even real people. So then it's China, Russia, some group, some organization. Yeah, they're trying to, I mean, it's part of the long, it's not the whole plan, but it's part of the plan. That's the whole long game to keep us out of those throats. Yeah, they've made fake accounts. [3:016:00] And I bet we do it too. I try to ask Mike Baker about that. Remember he's scared to that one, Jamie? Yeah. I go, do we do that? He's like, oh, I thought it was one. I would do that. I would hope we do that. That was my argument with people. It's us. When people were saying that the FBI was involved in January 6th insurrection that they were instigating people to break into the capital. I'm like, possibly, but also, if you got an extremist group, if you got a group that you think might break into the capital and you're the FBI, you're supposed to get embedded in those people. You gotta find out what the fuck they're doing. Ideally, if you find out that just a bunch of knuckleheads, you're supposed to leave Malone. You're not supposed to convince them to have to kidnap the governor of Minnesota or Michigan or wherever the fuck it was. Where was that lady? I think it was Michigan. Was it Michigan? Yeah. What is that one's like 12 of those dudes where FBI informants? There's like two regular guys. They're really fun. Well that's kind of the DeLorean deal, right? Like you can't. What was the deal? [3:017:00] Oh that was like a DeLoring when they entraped him and they're like, hey, if you'll sell this and oh, they like to do that too That's a good one. That's a real good one. Yeah, that kind of entrapment thing That's when it goes unchecked But also if you do have a legit terror cell wouldn't it be nice if the FBI fucking embedded themselves in that stop that from happening Yeah, it would have been great to have a couple of those in that fucking airplane school, huh? It would have been great. It would have been nice. You know, there can't be everywhere. But, but, you know, there's so many stories of them actually doing that. Like convincing people to do shit that they would never have done. And that's what they said about the Whitmer thing. That these poor guys that are just dummies. You know? Like there's a certain percentage of the population of this country. I forget what the number is But they're below 85 IQ There's a certain percentage of people. They just have low watt brains And if you get ahold of those dummies and also near their friend and you're convinced them. Hey, man We got to stand up for something. You know stand up for something. You're not nothing like yeah [3:018:00] We got a fucking that's the problem. That fucking governor man. That's the problem You know if we kidnap her, we could fucking turn this whole thing around. We could take over this fucking country. We do it the right way. Yeah, probably. Well, so listen, we're gonna meet at the docks at nine o'clock. We are brothers. We are a brotherhood in this fight. Okay, nine o'clock. And I just wanted a friend! I just wanted a friend! I was like you're doing fucking 10 years and singsing. Woo! That's not good. Hey guys, that's the wrong way to do it. But when you do it the right way, and you infiltrate terror organizations, I know that's real too. Like you can't throw the baby out with the bath water, but gotta be some oversight on this. You can't just allow the same sort of unchecked shit that goes on with everything to go on with that. You gotta wonder how much... How many 9-11s... We don't even know about that they... That they have heard it. That they have heard it. Maybe. It's possible. I'm sure they've done a lot of good. I have no doubt. [3:019:01] I mean, that was 20... Fuck, was that 22 years ago now? Mm-hmm. And that crazy? That is crazy. And there's no way that in the two decades since then, because shit ain't got better. Right. Relations haven't got better. There's no way that there haven't been any number of things that those guys have had to for it. That they just, they won't tell us about Cantal tell us because it'll give away the fact that they're inside. That's the argument for things like the Patriot Act and for the NSA's of mass scale surveillance, surveillance of the population. You want to be able to like leave everybody alone, but you want to be able to point out when some shit is about to go down. And this is really the only other way. If they're communicating through media, we gotta, we gotta be able to tap into this shit and we'll just use keywords and find people and get them. I'm sure that those guys have like red flagged B. 85 times. What have you been googling? What I'm writing, think about it. Read Mary King's town. You know, look at Yellowstone, look at Lyon's, look at Sicario, like the shit I'm looking up, [3:020:01] Drunk Dry. Now Shit, I'm looking up drug drive now there's terrorists this and they've got to go Oh, how we got a humdinger over here in frickin Texas and then they put like now That's a really good point that guy This will be in him you this will be a plot something here in two years you just watch secario's fucking awesome How much is involved in research with that like how do you do research for something like secario? I did a lot of research for Sikario. How did you... I was able to talk to some people on the inside of different things. Whoa! Yeah. Whoa! That must be heavy. Yeah. Yeah. And to be honest, a lot of the things that I uncovered... I didn't uncover them, but they were shown to me. There's a... there's a, Sikario is the PG version of what it could have been. Holy shit. As barbaric as that is. And how we were shielded from them, you know. The, the drug war, and that was really, that was 2010, 2011. [3:021:00] The drug war that it's based on. More people died in the five years around that than died in Vietnam. Holy shit. Oh. Holy shit. Yeah. That's the wildest one. The wildest one that we're dealing with, when you talk about major problems that this country has, sure we have immigration problems, sure we got a lot of problems. One of the wildest ones is the amount of people that died from fentanyl overdoses everywhere. So doing research, I discovered I was trying to figure out what are the, just to have a perspective on the scale of revenue generating industries. Like, and I did, started with oil. Like, how much money do oil companies make? And if you look at the top 10 revenue generating industries, it's up there like five or six or seven or eight somewhere. It's not as high as I thought it would be. [3:022:01] Pharmaceuticals sit there at like 3.2 trillion a year in revenue. Illegal drugs are estimated at 3.3 trillion. Whoa. And we talk about big pharma as this fucking monster. Think about the fact that illegal drug trade is bigger than big pharma. Holy shit. Wow. I had no idea yeah holy shit bigger yeah and all funded because it's illegal but obviously there's a demand for it and there's no way to know there's no way it's because it's illegal right those are estimates I don't know how they make the estimates but here's a question estimates. Here's a question. If you're the president of the world, and if you have this fucking magic wand, do you even want drugs to be legal? What do you want to do? Do you want to go after the people that are making the drugs and just say it's a war on America, on American youth because of 100,000 people die every year and we need to involve the military and go after the cartels. [3:023:06] Or do you say we need to wake up to the fact that people are gonna take these fucking things no matter what. So we need to regulate them, make them legal, and make them pure. And also give people some sort of an understanding of what the correct dose is. Tell them not to do it, offer counseling, have rehab centers, have all that funded by the taxes that you're gonna Make from selling these things legally but allow people to sell legally because you either you're either Boosting up the pharmaceutical drug companies, which are pretty gangster or you're boosting up the real gangsters like would I would I would argue And I don't have an answer look. I've written movies about this. I don't have the fucking answer but If you look at and we he can pull it up right now, overdose deaths from prescription medication, oxycontin, all these various things. And that's exactly what you're saying. That is a regulated, [3:024:01] narc-heavy narcotic, regulated, heavily regulated. You know, it's a class A or one, whatever they call it, schedule one. You know, you write that prescription as a doctor. Somebody's going to come knocking and go, eh, what was this for exactly? Like, you write up a ton of them. You better be a frickin' orthopedic surgeon. Especially today. Yeah. And the number of deaths from prescription overdoses. It's pretty substantially high. I think it would be a failure. I think I don't think it would work. I don't know what we do. I think that, and I talked about in Sicario, where he says, look, until we can figure out a way to convince 20% of the population, not to smoke and snort this shit, the measure of control is the best we can hope for. Right. Yeah, if you made it legal for sure there would be people, this is the argument against it. If you made it legal for sure there would be people that try it, they wouldn't ordinarily try it, but they try it because it's legal. Like when Elon was on my show and he smoked weed with me, one of the things they said, [3:025:01] oh, it was legal. I mean, that's legal here, bro. We smoked weed together. But he said it's legal. And so he felt like he could do it. I go try it. How many kids would do heroin if it became legal? How many kids would do coke? How many impressionable people that wouldn't do something illegal will now do something because it is legal and how many generations does it take before we figure out how to start out. I guess the question would be, could they make a heroin light? Like a co-cane light. Because if you ever watch one of those shows about how they make cocaine, you're never doing cocaine. Well, we had Mariana Vanzellar, who has that show, what is that show called? Traffic. And she was embedded in this drug-producing lab. And was it Costa Rica? Where was it? Columbia? I think it was Columbia. Pregnant. She was in there with these people [3:026:01] while they're making cocaine and they let her document everything. And she even walked out with them when they were hiking it out as mules on their back she took the trek with them she retraces one of the world's most yeah Peruvian jungles to the Colombian coastline to the streets of Miami yeah it's a crazy episode man because that lady has fucking leeching those leaves with like diesel and freaking cow piss and oh it's horrible. They have this a vat and they're pouring these chemicals in there and they're taking all the fucking coke out of it and then they're packing it up this pure cocaine. It's so pure it's really good for it. They're taking that pure thing. But don't worry you could trust that middle man, so not put a little fentanyl in there just to cut a little bit with some fucking, flour. Now that's the argument for it being legal and hard to get. That if it was legal and you really went after the people that are making it illegally and you test everything, you would stop all the fentanyl overdoses at least. But you're not gonna stop all the overdoses. You know, for sure people just overdose on regular coke. They definitely die on regular heroin. [3:027:02] They definitely have. It's just would they die as often? Would it be as bad? And would you have to deal with propping up this illegal drug regime, which is the scary part? Is that right next door? We could just walk over there. You could literally walk over there, walking over here. We could walk over there too. You could walk over to a place it's run by drug cartels. Yeah. You know, you have to look at the desire. What is the, and obviously a lot of it's gonna, you know, if you've worked really hard, you built up this and you got a family and you got a kid in college and someone goes, hey, you wanna go over to this new bar, they got cocaine. You're probably gonna go, ah, you know what, I don't. Right. I've got a lot to lose. That sounds sketchy. Yeah, I don't think I want to do that. But if you've grown up in this fucking shitty family and you know, your father's abusive and mom's an alcoholic and she's a drug abuser and you feel like you have no hope and you're gonna turn to that. So it prays on the weakest Yeah, I wonder if if there's not a way I would want to try I [3:028:08] Would want to try like how do we and I don't want to sound How do we just walk this place down long enough that we freaking keep the drugs out like Just I don't think we can at this point. I don't think we can't either I think they're so sophisticated on the ways they get it in and there's enough people corrupt on the side that let it in I don't think you you could ever do it. And it's a $3.3 trillion a year business. So they've figured out things, there's probably some fucking highway under New Mexico that comes up in a warehouse and they're trucking this shit out and they've paid off everybody and it's a $3.3 trillion business. The corruption is undeniable. There's always going to be corruption. One of the things of the things that Mariana Vanzellar found out. One of the things she investigated is cops that are corrupt in Los Angeles taking confiscated weapons and then driving them into Mexico and selling them to the cartels. Because you can just get in. They don't check you when you come in. [3:029:00] They check you when you leave. So if you want to bring Coke, but when you're going to go in like come on in so they're going in with these confiscated weapons that they've gotten from you know gangs and what have you and they they got a trunk full of shit they drive it into Mexico and sell it I've always felt if you think about it probably the two public service jobs that are the most important. Teacher, police officer. How are those not $250,000 of your paying jobs? Right. How they know. And there's great police officers out there. There's great teachers out there. But there's a large portion that are not because, and you're gonna see it in LA now, you defund the police, we do this. Now you don't have enough cops So now you've got to do what you did with the rampart lower your standards to get enough bodies in there and then all of a sudden Well, what I'm telling you earlier. Yeah, they're using illegal immigrants. Yeah, they're using non-citizens Yeah, to be police officers in Los Angeles now like Google that Jamie [3:030:02] Without guns though, we for now They can't have guns or they can't have guns at home. They're not a lot of them. They can't have guns on them for now. But are they trying to pass it so they can have points? Wouldn't you want, you know, look, if you're going to be in the FBI, and there's a lot of politicization of the FBI right now. But what they're not doing is getting in a shit ton of like shootings and if they are that you know, we're not hearing about them. Those guys and those men and women have college degrees. A lot of them have law degrees. They're going to go through a year at the farm before they start out somewhere very small, have all these different training regimens before they run in the round, bust, and down doors. Okay, here it is. LAPD moves to accommodate new DACA officers who can't personally own guns, can't personally own guns, but I don't know if that means that they can't carry guns on the job, possess their department issued firearms while off duty. [3:031:01] So while on duty, they are armed. off duty so while on duty they are armed uh... so you can be uh... an illegal alien who comes into this country and then no one wants to be a cop so you could be a cop and they'll give you a gun and so you could be a citizen of america getting arrested by someone who is not a citizen of america in america at gunpoint but the dacca recipients is that weird, that's interesting. Well that just means that they graduate the academy. That's what it means, right? No, no, no. Is that the dreamers? What is it? Yeah. So what that would mean is that they were brought in as a child. Is that what it means? Yeah, brought in as a child and I believe Obama gave him amnesty at one point. I don't know that it was ever rescinded. So it's at a certain age. The firt action of childhood arrivals. Yeah. Okay. So that's people that came here as a child. Their parents illegally immigrated here, but they've been here their whole life. Why not just make them fucking citizens then? That was a big thing. You know, there was a thing. There was a thing when when Trump was president. George W. Bush actually initiated legislation [3:032:05] for amnesty that involves back taxes and some things but would give people like all the immigrants a green card and there was a bunch of pushback saying, well, once I go, now we want a path to citizenship. And I think the Democrats are like, whoa, you're not gonna take all our fucking latin vote hell no you can't do that so it got squashed but but there was an attempt to legitimize all these people that had moved here legally uh... but had created a you know a home and we're working in contributing members of society and they killed it because it didn't go far enough for some uh... and politically just got squashed that's unfortunate because if you can get to the point where you can tell those people they can be police officers and they can carry guns on duty which Colorado said did there as well so it's uh... um... make them citizens it seems like they're good people but doing a good job they're here the paint taxes they're living their part of society they want to be [3:033:01] police officers what why would we assume they're bad let's that the problem is that they're not citizens well why is the why is it such a difficult path to citizenship for someone who is born somewhere else but came over here as a child and doesn't i'm I'm assuming if you're a cop you don't have a criminal record I'm assuming right here California I don't know yeah California might help you yeah I don't know. Yeah, California might help you. Yeah. I don't know. It's a wild world. It is. We're the, we're the name of the time. I'm sure every generation thinks that they're at the precipice of disaster, but yeah. Certainly World War II felt that way. And I know it felt that way in the 50s with the Cold War. For sure. I'm felt that way in the 80s. It sure did. Yeah, like when we were kids, it felt like at any moment we could have a nuclear war with Russia. I don't think you've seen the internal divide in this nation since the late teens early 20s. I agree. You know, when you know the big commie just pushed in and then the time before that we had a fucking civil war. And I think a lot of that is accentuated by what we were talking about earlier with the social media use and The subversion of our educational institutions. It's that's a big part of why we have this divide and I think one thing that can combat that is a [3:034:16] Rational discourse that's appealing to people and the people like you and other people that have these opinions They say them out loud and people listen and they they go, you know what, he's right. Like this is crazy. Like this divide is crazy. And what is accentuating this divide? Engaging in these fucking stupid arguments online that might not even be with real people, it might actually be with AI from China. What are we doing? We just have to, someone's got to step up and go look the minutiae of the argument. Is irrelevant. In a greater picture, obviously it's very important to the people stuck in it. And I don't give a fuck if it's gender-neutral bathrooms or with climate change or whatever. Whatever it is. Everyone has to first admit we all have a right to think different. [3:035:02] And it's not violent when I disagree with you. It's not an irrational fear of you when I disagree or vice versa. But until we can respect respectfully disagree and go, Hey, you have your thoughts and I have my thoughts. How do we coexist? Right. But right now co-existings off the table. Right. And that's the thing that has to get back on the table. Well, and people are very upset about that's why songs like that rich man from Richmond. Yeah. That's why it hits like that. Yeah. Because people are like, yeah, what the fuck? What the fuck is going on? Yeah. And they want it to be better. I mean, most people don't want to be involved in all this stupidity. They just want to live a good life and have fun before the aliens turn us turned us into fucking vegetables. I didn't know that was happening until that. That's what I think. That's what I think. Anyway, I think we just did like four hours. How long have been on? Three, a little, three and a half hours, dude. Fuck, like that. Yeah. Well listen, it's been really fun. I really appreciate you. Love your work. [3:036:00] You're fucking awesome, dude. Everything've done has like just been some of my favorite shit ever on television for For sure 1883 is one of the greatest shows I've ever seen in my life. It's fucking incredible Thank you, bro. Appreciate you everybody go watch it. It's awesome And whatever else you got going on let me know I'll do it. I'll blast it out there. Oh yeah