#2063 - The Rock


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Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is an actor, producer, entrepreneur, and retired professional wrestler. https://therock.komi.io

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What's happening? Oh man. How fun was that? Oh, that was a blast. We had a good day dude. That was three hours. Yeah, we got Shane Gillis Brian Simpson a son of mod Tony Hinchcliffe Duncan Trussel you and me We had a fucking banging workout then we did the sauna. We did the cold plunge. We did the whole experience We did the sauna again. Yeah, cold pl punch game. The gold plunge, man. Yeah. That was great. And I love what you're doing down here, by the way, with the boys. Yeah. Getting down here, giving them this opportunity to get after it, not only in their craft, but also getting in shape. Yeah. Those guys are really good at that. Two dudes with diabetes, they just don't work out, you know, but we're doing it now. This is the third week. And we've been talking about it forever. But when Shane moved to town, he's like, dude, I gotta get in shape. I gotta do something. I go, listen, let's start on Monday, nice in the light. And so we started, nice in light. Today was a pretty hard day for them. But generally, it's pretty easy. I just have them do push-ups body weights squats and a series of very like kettlebell routines Just simple stuff right just get them used to it. Yeah, right? I'm gonna start adding the bag at the end the sprints on the back bag was great by the way. Yeah, it's a great way to end it Yes, yeah, great way great way, but I like working out with those guys you feel it. Yeah, you feel. None of them quit, none of them. No, they hung in there. Pust out, they were there. They hung in there through the sauna, they hung in there through the cold plunge, everything. Yeah, it's just, they wanna do it. You know, sometimes people just need a little help. They're not used to doing it. They know they wanna get in shape step and they just need a little bit of help, especially if it's different with you and luckily for me too, we grew up in that environment where it pushes us and it's what we do and it's part of our DNA. But you get to and all those guys, it's really cool. They look to you for they show me the way and they do it. Yeah, they do well, they they've realized once they've done it a few times, they walk out [0:02:03] here, they feel so good. They feel so, like I get text message from each one of them. They're like, oh, I feel fucking great. I feel great. I feel great. I'm like, good. You don't want to walk out of a workout, beat up. You want to walk out just a little energized, feeling better, and then slowly we're going to ramp got it. We got rocks here. We got to go. We lit it up. We lit it up. We lit it up. But they hung in there and everybody walked out with a big smile on their face. We all had a great time. It was so good, man. Yeah. It's so good. And I, and I told some of the boys this, like, I miss that'd all work together because we were traveling together every night and go into the same gym every day and your different cities. But I miss that, that camaraderie. Yeah, the camaraderie's nice. I kind of used my workout. Most of the time I work out alone. I used to work with a trainer, but after a while I realized like, I don't need to help push myself. I just write a routine and there's a certain meditative aspect to being alone with your thoughts. [0:03:06] Yes. And just I like to put fights on, like watch something in between sets, but I just like to be, and I like to be accountable 100% for my work. Like I know what I have to do, I know what I do it, and it sets the tone for the day which sets the tone for my life. That's how I feel. Same thing with me in training. I love training alone. And it's been a long time since I trained with the boys. That's why I was a real treat. It was fun. It was fun. Yeah, and those guys are all hilarious. It's just fucking hilarious. I take this to the end. I'm talking shit. I'm talking shit and It's so great. It's great. It was amazing. But the training alone, though, that is important for the mental. I feel like for me, it anchors my day. But also too, life is so busy and crazy from the moment you wake up and you walk outside, everybody's wanting something from you. So for many of us, by the way, with the celebrity or not. [0:04:00] So it's nice to have that anchor in the morning. Do you train in the mornings? Always. So it's nice to have that anchor in the morning. Do you train in the mornings? Oh, yes. Yeah, always in the morning. But sometimes I do in the afternoon. If I have some sort of an appointment or something, I'll just get it in. I must get it in. But I like to start the day with it. That's what I like to do. Yeah, me too. It's the best way. It's like you get it out of the way So I wake up and have a cup of coffee, get some pre-workout and mean, just fucking, let's go. That's it. Let's go. And I go right into the cold plunge. That's the first thing. So the first thing is suffering, like right away, suffer. First cold outside, who gives a fuck, get in there, suffer. Suffer over three minutes, and then warm yourself up through working out, and then get into it. But we did reverse today. Was it because how can we did it reverse? Well, those guys are not really ready to get in the cold plunge first. That's next level. Yeah, that's next level. I get them in the cold plunge after the sauna because it's easier because your body temperature is already heated up and there's a certain amount of relief when you get into the cold water because you know in that 185 degrees for 20 minutes. Yes. When you get in that cold, then your body relaxes. And I just did it. [0:05:06] I just want to get them accustomed to doing a son impressive shit out of me. Three minutes is first time. You did too. Three minutes your first time. Thank you, man. You just stayed calm as fuck in there. I felt like that's the thing to do. You get in and I heard you coach in the boys, breathe, You're good. Just accept it. Just accept it. Don't, because your brain goes, we got to get the fuck out of here. Good, good, good. I got to get the fuck out of here. I can't do this. And if you let that shit roll around in your head. Then they're up. But it's also good practice for not letting that shit roll around in your head in everyday life. Because there's times in everyday And if you just stay calm, you could see a rational solution or rational way to handle something. Any kind of shit that's going down. Any kind of shit that's going down. Yeah, the ability to keep your head together. That's right. And that cold water is like, ah, you want to, ah, give me the fuck out of here. It goes against every fiber in your body. [0:06:03] Yeah. And as you know, today was my first cold plunge. I ordered it, it gets delivered next week, but today was the first one. Nice. So that's why I had to do it. Which one did you get? I don't know which one I got. This a bunch of good ones out there. I know I needed just a longer one. Yeah, you need a bigger one today. You barely fit in there. You're gonna, it's switched up in there. It's hilarious. It's great. Yeah, that one is interesting because that's called a blue cube. And the blue cube has a very cool option where you can crank up the water flow. So you get it down. So it's been. Yeah, so it's 37 degrees. And then you hit this switch and it's just like a raging river. So you never get a thermal layer. So the thing that happens in the cold plunge is like a minute in your Body develops sort of a thermal layer and it actually is more tolerable after a minute that it is for the first minute But not with that raging river when that shit's in there like it's never tolerable You just sit there the whole three minutes just white knuckle in it [0:07:02] It's harder how often are you doing the rage in river part? I do you do it without these guys. Yeah, don't let these guys I'm trying not to get anybody to quit, you know today. I was worried I was like yeah fucking kind of pushing them because we added renegade rows today We had it with mills. Yeah, I added a few things to the routine But the last two or three workout two workouts I've been finishing them with the rounds on the bag. So you do this to bodiceprints. So it's 20 seconds of just going out and then 10 seconds rest. 20 seconds, 10 seconds rest. It's an amazing protocol for developing cardio. Yeah, yeah. No, it was amazing. I've never done that before. And it was great. You know what I also love that I noticed about the guys is after the workout was done they're spent They're feeling good. They're feeling great about themselves And I think pretty much all of them said hey, we're doing this tomorrow, right? Yeah, it was good because you know Wouldn't that shit really kick your ass? Hey, you don't ask that question Well, if they wake up sore who knows because there's a few things that we did that are gonna their legs are gonna be sore for sure for like the between the leg stuff and the winged mill stuff but we'll do something different tomorrow so tomorrow I'll get them in here [0:08:08] we'll do something different I keep them going. Are you banging them out like would you say five times a week? Whenever they want to come so like right now it's been three days a week but I'm like if you guys want to go five days a week or go five days a week you let me know what you want to do and we'll do it. And I just try to give them some stuff. Like if you're on the road, just do the pushups in the body weight routine. Just try, you don't have to do a hundred. I do a hundred. I do sets of 20. Do sets of 10, five, whatever. Just do it. And just make sure that if you, so save you do like 50 pushups and 50 body weight squats one day. The next day, try to make it 60. Try to get to 60. Try to eventually get to 100. And if you have to do 10 sets of 10, that's pretty easy to do. 10 is not hard. And then the last one, eventually, you'll get to a point where you could do sets of 20. And it's easy. It's not that hard to do. You're like, when I do 20, at the end of 20, I could do way more. more but I just relax and then I do the body weight squats and if you keep doing it it just conditions [0:09:05] your body to be able to do that all the time. Yeah absolutely. And it's great warm up 15 minutes and you're sweating. That's right. Yeah so we started off with that and then you go right into all the other stuff. So while that body's already heated up you're ready to rock. And ready to go. Yeah and also too I feel like if you especially for guys like that who are just getting into it and dipping their toes into it feeling good They know they have to do it. Yeah, if they're gonna add some years to their life right and take care of their families But also it was cool that you realize that as these guys are doing it They're they're not again, they're not giving up but also I you could see it kind of computing in their head like okay Two steps forward maybe one little step back You had the math and you do that every day, you're far down that road. You're far down that road. And that's what I keep telling them. I said, this is just a thing where you got to not slide off because the slide off is the hardest part. Like, discipline is very hard, but the slide off, it's so hard to avoid the slide off. When you're used to eating bad food and fucking around, staying up late and drinking, like all these guys do, it's [0:10:09] really hard to be disciplined and just to say no matter what, even if I travel on the road, I got to get workouts in because I can't lose ground. That's right. That's right. Especially like wrestling. I feel like comedy is a lot like wrestling just in terms of the schedule because you guys are working at nights. Yep Sometimes so I say night you start at 7 30 you're done by maybe midnight maybe longer Mm-hmm, so it's that kind of lifestyle that we really got to be disciplined We were you always Disciplined even when you got in comedy full-time and you were on the road and doing all that I was more disciplined than other comics But not that discipline not like I am now. I think as I get older, I realize like, you only have so much, like your body only has so much energy. And if you're not in shape, your body's gonna have less energy. And as you get old, I have so many friends under my age that look like they're dead. [0:11:00] And I'm like, Jesus Christ, you know, 56. At a certain point in time, you realize, okay, this can't be like a thing you do three days a week. This has got to be a thing you do every day. My body has to know for sure it's going to work. And every day work has got to get done. And if it doesn't do that, I feel like it's going to slide off. And when I've taken days off, I get back to it's like I feel way more slide now than I did when I was 20 or 30. It's like the slide is like you know like you like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you you catch a fucking cold or something like that? That could happen. Yeah, that could be it or too many days of no sleep. Yeah. Too many days of no sleep will get me You know if I'm just traveling a lot or doing something. That's like very intensive and I have to get up in the morning I have to handle something in family stuff or whatever if I have to get up early [0:12:01] It's just that that wrecks you. That's the one that gets you. And then you take a day or two off and then you're like, fuck. And then you gotta travel again and you know, maybe you're going overseas and you know, then it's a long travel. It's a whole thing, yeah. You gotta pull all your workouts. But you just have to do it. If you don't, if you just decide, and then you're gonna take the fucking nap later. Let's go. Yeah, let's go. Let's go. When you land, this is what I like doing. When I travel out of the country and I land, whatever time it is. Right to the gym. Get the gym. Yep, yep. It's the only way I think to avoid like significant jet lag. Yes. The other thing that they say is to fast, they say even if you're on a don't eat on the flight. They say don't eat on the flight. And I don't know why. I don't know why. But everybody that I've talked to says to avoid jet lag, one of the best ways is to not eat on the flight. And to just sort of land, get a workout in, and let your body get back on its normal cycle. And you want to have the same kind of jet lag. [0:13:01] And still not eat when you land. Just land training. I've never done it. I can't do that. I've never done it. I'm not applying. I'm eating three, four times. I'm going to eat, brother. I'm not eating all the time. I just I don't like the idea of not eating what I'm on a plane like. Yeah, I'm going to it. How do you do this? Because I think about this too as well. Like the difference between when you're tired and you feel like we've been here before I know I'm fucking fatigued. Yeah. I'm still gonna push through this and like you said I'm gonna get it in whether it's at midnight or seven, how do you know the difference between that and compared to something's wrong? Dude, I gotta listen to my body. Yeah, I think it's just an education. You know, you have those days where you do push it when you shouldn't and then you get sick. And you go, okay, I see what I did. Or you have those days where you push through and you feel way better. I've had those too. [0:14:05] And you gotta kind of feel them out. And the only way you know is if you know your body. And the only way you know your body is if you push your body all the time. And try it. Yeah. When you're, you have a fucking insane schedule. You're, I mean, I know a lot of people that insane schedules, but yours might be at the top of list. You're right up there with anybody. I don't know how you maintain all the things that you do and still have energy. Yeah. What I try to do is try to schedule my day as best as I can. And you know, when you're busy and all of us are busy in our own way. So I really try to make sure that I'm paying attention to the schedule. I'm really looking at it. And I'm going gonna take a fine tooth comb, sew it and go, not that. Not that because it's easy just to say, yeah, I'll do it. Oh, this thing is for 10 minutes, Joe. Can you do it? Yeah, okay, I'll do it. And before you know it, it's an hour. And then it's two hours and all that. So I really try to be smart about the moves these days. And I also learned, man, there's just power in saying no. [0:15:06] Yeah, you gotta have you time. Yes. You times important. Like you can't, one of the things I was telling everybody, discipline is really important, but also enthusiasm is really important. Like, I tell these guys with comedy, if you feel burnt out, take some days off. Yes. There's no harm in that. Like you want enthusiasm. There's something about being enthusiastic with comedy, and I think with a lot of things. You don't want it to be a drudgery. That's right. Yeah. You don't want it to be a colonoscopy. You want to go in the hair. You want it to have a good time. And you want to appreciate it. And sometimes when you overdo things, you just don't feel that enthusiastic about them. So you got to balance it out. But again, it's an education. So you got to do it the wrong way. And they go, okay, what did I fuck up? And learn from it. Dude, I always say with enthusiasm, you can really move mountains. Yeah. You can really move mountains with enthusiasm. Because it starts with that. Mike Tyson had a great phrase. He said, discipline is doing what you hate to do, but doing it like you love it. That's real discipline. Yeah. [0:16:05] That's what made Mike Tyson. Yes. You know, and the proof is in the result. But that's real. If you could just force yourself into being enthusiastic about everything, even shit you don't want to do. You've got to do hill sprints. You're like, fuck you, I'm just fucking hill sprints. Fuck it, get out to the list. Yeah You know what it is to, it's that thing where I think like you learn about, especially when it comes to training and that kind of thing where it's either. You look at it like, fuck, this is something I gotta do or I get to do. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I get to do it, man. Yeah. The privilege this is. I mean, there's a lot of people out there that are like seriously ill and injured and they can't do it. God, they would wish they're fucking give anything to be able to do it. One more time, this is it. Yeah, and we are lucky. We're lucky, shit. I would say that. Super luck. [0:17:05] For sure. And if you can just keep that in your mind, that's the problem. People get just accustomed to whatever they have. And then they want more. They're not satisfied. But gratitude is so important. I know it's one of those hippie crystal fucking wooden beads things that I know as a sh**. You know, you hear from the wrong people. Attitude, a gratitude and all that. There's certain things that get co-opted by the word God, I think, is the same way. It's co-opted by some people. And then people have this negative association with it. But I think gratitude is one of those. It is real. And it's really important. And if you could just appreciate your friends and appreciate your life and appreciate people and appreciate what you get to do. You can fucking change your whole tone of existence. You change the frequency you exist on. Where you vibrate. You change people around you too because they get excited by it. [0:18:00] Yeah, it affects them too. That's what I love to do with these guys. I get excited. We're having fun. exercising, but we're all having a good we're all laughing We're having a great time. Yeah, it was fun. They were looking over you. They're like are we fucking working out with the rock? Shane types go he kept it like nudging like dude. We're working out with the Fuck it was awesome. It was awesome It was awesome, but you enthusiasm, man. It was awesome, but enthusiasm and appreciation. It's like, there's a key concepts in life. And even if you're not where you wanna be in life and you're grinding and you're on that hustle, and there's a lot of people like that, right? Yeah, get it. Keep grinding, but also appreciate it, appreciate that hustle, appreciate this thing, appreciate this fucking beautiful, chaotic chaotic unknown existence you're in. Thing we call life. Yeah, that you don't know what the fuck is gonna happen. It's open-ended, it's wide. It's an- Yes, man. It's a complete open-loop experience. You don't know what the fuck is coming next and you're just trying to enjoy the ride. You have no fucking idea. No idea. It's that thing. Man, when you think about it, [0:19:06] it's like, um, and I feel like I want to know about you two here. I feel like it was a learn thing. Like, I, I, of course, the concept of, oh, gratitude. Sure. I felt like I'm a pretty grateful guy. But once I started realizing that a lot of the shit that I was trying to get after. And there's the North Star, there's that thing, whatever it is. It's always there. But really the shit that matters most is the stuff that's right here. Yeah, like right in front of us. Yeah. This thing, life, family, love one, kid, whatever it is. Job even, you know. And sometimes if you concentrate on the North Star too much, you don't even enjoy it. That's right. You don't even enjoy the whole experience of being present. Yeah. Enjoying the ride, enjoying the fucking, I mean, that's another thing. You know, it's about the journey. Ooh. You've fucked up that expression, but it's real. [0:20:00] It is really about the journey. It's just hard when you're not where you want to be in life. If you're listening to this and you just not satisfied with your position in life, it's hard to think that way. All you want is that thing. But you got to somewhere along the line figure out how to enjoy yourself. Somewhere along the line figure out how to just go as hard as you can, but also enjoy it. Try to enjoy it because that changes the whole tone of the experience. And I think that makes you more successful. I really do, because I think you have more energy, you have more focus, and you collect better energy around you from other people. They feel your energy, they're inspired by the way you live your life and how you treat people and what you do and how you do things, and they wanna do a similar thing. They wanna do something that makes them feel that way and they want other people to feel that way as well [0:21:00] and it's got the butterfly effect. It just goes through all the people that are around you. Brother, it's like attracts like, it's that thing. It's that thing, man, especially if you're grinding and you're right, there's a lot of people out there who are just fucking busting their ass. I'm happy. You and I were both in that place at one time. We were like, fuck, I don't like the position of man. I want more, I want something more, but this idea, but I'm going to try and enjoy it. But I got to tell you, it wasn't, and I want to know about you too, like earlier on in my career, I felt like it's the grind that we love and sink our teeth into and just fucking go and get after it, but I wasn't having fun. Yeah. But man, that time when I switched in my mind like oh it like exactly what you're saying Let me enjoy this now but because I've worked hard to get here wherever this thing is just like everybody else with this idea Like let's have fun while we're doing it along the way and you're right It has that butterfly effect it affects other people and it attracts other people before you know it everybody's vibrating at this great place with [0:22:02] enthusiasm yeah, and excitement and and I know that everybody's vibrating at this great place with enthusiasm and excitement and fun. I realized when I was young, I got a development deal for Disney when I was, I think I was 25, 26. And I got this development deal and all of a sudden, they gave me like, I think it was like $100,000. And I had money in the bag. I was like, this is crazy. Cause I felt later. I was like 26, I think. I was a development deal for a television show and all of a sudden I had money. Like my whole life I was poor. And my whole life I was like wondering how I was going to, when I was on my own and it was like how am I paying the bills, how am I eating. You know, I remember like taking like a loose jar of change and counting it all out So I could go to subway and get a sandwich, you know like that kind of shit You don't forget that kind of shit But then the moment I got that check I remember feeling light Like like weight had been lifted off me like now I didn't have to worry about my rent now [0:23:01] I didn't have to worry about food and I remember thinking immediately, oh, this is the key. You just gotta not get to a place where you're not worried about your bills. So that means like spend less money, if that means like a liva, like a more prudent lifestyle, whatever you have to do. But get to that place where you're not worried about bills because that shit hanging over your head causes stress that fucking ruins lives. It ruins people. And so then I was like, okay, now the most important thing is fucking keep going. Like make sure you don't lose any ground here and keep going because now you know what it's like to be successful, continue that. Do whatever the fuck you have to do, whatever work you have to put in to continue that. And then when I got to a place where I felt like I have enough money that I feel really secure, then I started to learn how to be happy. But in the beginning, it was just drive. It was just all go. And it was just very selfish thinking, I'm just thinking only on what I'm trying to do. [0:24:01] But that's all we know. But especially if you grow up broke and it's the thing that you make up your mind, I feel and it's the same thing that happened to me. I made up my mind like I'm broke today, but one day I'm never going to be broke and I will never fucking go back to being broke. I'm at least I'm going to do all I can. Yeah. Not to be broke. So when you have that mentality, you have the blinders on. This is the way you're thinking. This is until I think we get a little older and we achieve the success. We understand that it starts to go like this a little bit. I gotta ask you something. I heard this and I always wanted to confirm it with you. You started early with martial arts. Right? And you said there was this great quote and it was something like it was martial arts I I think, that gave you the confidence to know that, oh wait, I'm not going to be broke one day or something like that. Is that right? Yeah. And martial arts is the first thing that I've realized, like, oh, I'm not a loser. Because I felt like I moved a lot when I was a kid. [0:25:01] We moved from New Jersey to San Francisco when I was seven, lived in San Francisco. I was 11, moved to Florida from 11 to 13, Boston from 13 to 24. So it was always- I lived in 10 states by the time I was 13. Yeah. Why were you guys moving around? Well, my stepdad went to school in Florida. Well, we moved to San Francisco just to like experience something different and just get away from New Jersey. Move there and then my step down went to school in Florida. And when we went to school in Florida, we had to go to the University of Florida Gainesville. So we were there for three years. And then when we moved to Boston, he was going to the Boston Architectural Center. So we moved there so he could finish it and get his architectural degree. So we were just always going where we had to go. And when we did that, I would have to make a whole new set of friends. And so this thing about being insecure and young and life is kind of fucked up and chaotic. And you're meeting these new people and kids are fucking cruel. [0:26:04] And I always was insecure because we're always moving around a lot and my life was kind of chaotic, my family life is chaotic. And I just felt like a loser. I always felt like I just had a hide from people, like socially, nervous around people. And I just felt like there was certain people that were winners in life and I was not that. I was a loser. And then I started doing martial arts and I got really good at it. I was obsessed and I got really good at it really quickly. And I realized like, oh, I'm not a loser. Like I just have to find a thing and fucking really get after it in a way that I know some people that have had an easy life, they're not going to pursue it like it's going to save them. And I was pursuing it like this is going to save me because I knew as I kept getting better, I started getting this feeling, oh, I'm good at something. Like I'm good at something dangerous. And then I got really good at it. And then I started winning tournaments and competing and traveling all the road. And so my whole life from 15 to 21 [0:27:05] was just traveling around competing. That's all I did. I was kind of socially fucked up because I wasn't hanging out with many kids my age. I wasn't really partying. I wasn't doing, I was just training. I was just training. Training competing and teaching. I was teaching at Boston University when I was 19 years old. I was teaching a credited course on Taikwondo. It was like pass fail A but it had counted towards your GPA. So I tell all the students, I'd say listen, show up, you get an A. That's all you have to do. Show up and try. You get an A. You don't have to be awesome at it. I just want you to just show up and do your best and you get an A. It's that simple. Yeah. And so they knew that that counted towards their GPA. So I had this big fucking class. It was great. I did that for a couple of years. And then when I started doing stand up, first of all, I started kickboxing. And when I started kickboxing, dance when I started getting brain damage. And I was realizing I was getting brain damage. So as we were sparring hard for real, you were. Yeah, I would look at it. [0:28:00] You could end up in that. I was like laying in bed with headaches after sparring and there's no money in it and I was like what am I doing? Like I'm 21. What am I doing with my life? Like I can't keep doing this and I'd already started doing open mics So I'd already started doing stand-up comedy, but I was kind of like just Dabbling in it and I was I thought I could do that too, but I still had these competition aspirations. And then the brain damage thing was scary because I knew quite a few people around me that from the time I was 16 until the time I was 21, I saw them deteriorate, like noticeably slurring their words, forgetful, not knowing what you were talking about like moments ago, and I knew that's coming. And I knew that was coming from me. And CT back then wasn't in the conversation. Like that wasn't in the lexicon right? Brain damage was people talk about people being punch drunk and... Right. But I knew too many people that I saw it in them. I saw a deterioration for me young people. [0:29:01] I saw slurring in their words and they would have like one drink of alcohol and they'd be like, they were hammered. Because something happens when people are punch drunk, when they drink, they just fall apart. And I saw that too. And I was like, okay, I gotta stop doing this. This is, this is dangerous. Because we weren't sparring smart. We were going to war. No head gear and that. No head gear and that. No head gear. Sometimes head gear, most of the time, no head gear. Most of the time, it was just going to war. And you weren't really sparring. You were fighting. We were fighting all the time. And just getting guys getting dropped all the time. And that was just the kind of gym that I was in. It was a hard-ass fucking kickboxing gym and beat the fuck out of each other. And I was realizing, like, okay, I gotta get out of this. Like this is gonna ruin me. Like, and then if my mind gets ruined, my life is ruined because then you can't think, you can't do things, you don't know what the fuck you're doing in life, it's like literally everything is the quality of your ability to think. And I knew that I was putting that in jeopardy. [0:30:01] So, then I went all in and comedy. But I realized from martial arts that if I go all in on something, I could be successful at it. That's right. Like, that's the anchor. Yeah, that's it. You learn. Yeah. I thought that was cool, man, when I read that. Yeah. There's things in life that you can, man, I think every kid should do something difficult, whether it's playing chess or whether it's soccer or whether it's wrestling, something that really fucking tests you. Because you learn that you can get better at stuff, and you learn that you can overcome all those feelings of weakness that are inside. Yeah, and it acts as like a forcing mechanism for discipline and to work through that shit. And also I feel like it's like with you in martial arts and then transitioning over to comedy. I feel like it also, for me, it forces also our kids to find their thing. And even if you get a little older, you know, and your teens and in your early 20s, because I fucked it. In my early 20s, I was still trying to figure out who I was and what I was going to be [0:31:00] and even into my 30s. But I feel like as you're searching for that thing, it's like with me and football. Like I thought football was my ticket. That was the thing that's gonna allow me to, I'm gonna buy my parents their first house. Right. I'm gonna, because I didn't live in Alistair, I was 27, I was WWE Champion, was the first fucking house. That's amazing. That's amazing. So I thought football was a ticket. And then I realized down the road, like, I have to finish this chapter in my life because I don't have that skill set to go on. I could continue to push it and push it and push it, but no, but like I was saying, it forces kids to as well and older kids as you get into adulthood to find your thing, right? Because a lot of times we're in the thing, we think it's the thing, and it's gonna be our ticket out, but it's not. And if you can find one thing, you can find many things. Yeah, right. It's like the William O. Musashi quote, once you know the way broadly, you can see it in all things. There's some real wisdom in those words, [0:32:02] because there's something about finding a pursuit or a passion or something you truly love that's engaging and challenging that is exciting for you and it advances you as a person and the lessons that you learn in pursuing that thing you apply to everything in your life. Everything in life, man. Everything in life. There's a great, you probably know it, Bruce Lee quote, from Enter the Dragon. Do you remember when he was like his, it was the one of his students and he told the kid, it's like a finger pointing away to the moon. Yeah. And he slapped him in the head, don't concentrate on the finger, you're going to lose all that heavenly glory around you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so back to being present. Yeah, Bruce Lee was a bad motherfucker dude. He was such a bad motherfucker People didn't really don't appreciate what he did because what he did Was introduce martial arts in an exciting way to the whole world Everybody was wearing kung fu outfits and everybody was [0:33:01] Martial arts classes Everybody wanted to be like Bruce Lee. He was the fucking coolest guy that ever existed in movies. Oh, dude. All of a sudden you got this little rip Chinese guy. He's fucking everybody up. And everyone thought they were Bruce Lee that way. I remember getting my first pair of nonchucks. But I had, I fucked myself up with the real ones. He had his hands on the back of the head. So enough times that I was like, oh, they make rubber ones. Yeah. That you're supposed to learn with. Yeah. I did that. And what did he do? I feel like he was groundbreaking away, right? When he came over here, there was something about what he was teaching. Was it G. Kundo? Yes. Right? So was he the first or he was taking a version of it. Well, he was the first to combine, the thing was, there was the thing about loyalty in martial arts. Like, if you were a judo practitioner, and you started training at a kickboxing gym, people would frown upon that. Like, why are you training more time when you're a judo practitioner? judo is the way. And the same thing was, I had a very open mind to talkekwondo coach and who actually encouraged me to start boxing and doing some other things. [0:34:06] But most of the time that's not the case. A lot of kung fu practitioners, they don't want you practicing karate. They only want you going to a kung fu place. What Bruce Lee said is use everything that's useful. Everything that's useful. And he put together a system of martial arts that had incorporated everything that he learned from grappling from Jean Le Bell and Karate from Chuck Norris and Tang Soudo and Kung Fu from Yip Man from Wing Chun. He put it all together with Western boxing and wrestling. He realized like there's so many different ways to fight and the style is having no style. The way is no way, like figuring out. Yeah, yeah figuring out how to adapt and move to every situation to be like water. That's right. Be formless. And he taught that philosophy and that philosophy eventually became mixed martial arts. [0:35:02] Bruce Lee was the first true mixed martial artist, because he was the first, like true guru that was shouting it from the top of the hills, to use everything that's useful, everything, and from all styles, and put it together. But back then that was really frowned upon. It was like kind of dangerous. Like people would go after you. If you disrespected Kung Fu or... Yeah. Yeah. To prove you either, so not only try to prove you wrong, but like physically try and go on with you. Yeah, you were disrespecting their art, which was like literally like a religion. To a lot of people, martial arts are very cult-like and when you get into a martial arts school, a lot of times the instructor is almost like a cult-met leader. You think that person is invincible, they can't be beaten by anyone. You have these weird ideas about your master. You can even call them a master. And so there's this very rigid thinking that used to exist before. But not anymore. No. [0:36:00] There's no referential to master. No. The UFC just fucking put that away. Yeah. Like, there's still schools out there that run like that, but they're not legitimate and they're not the good ones. They're really good schools. They're just teaching you something beautiful. They're teaching you how to use your body in a way that is challenging and effective and it makes you so much more confident and it makes you, if a physical altercation happens, you have a massive advantage over almost anyone. Yeah, protect yourself. Yeah. It's literally like a superpower to have that and to walk around to know that most people have zero idea how to fight. Right. Right. And so you've, I'm revolving these fucking Instagram videos. The guys have no idea how to fight and they fight and each other and they don't even know each other. And they're swinging wild. And just swinging for the fences. Yeah, I mean, open something connects. Yeah, I mean, if you're a trained fighter, that looks hilarious. Yeah, it's like, oh, this is, what are you doing? Like, stop, stop first. I just move it around like, yeah, what when was the last time you got into a fight fight? I never really got in fights [0:37:05] I mean I got like one or two in high school Yeah, but I once I started training. I was just competing all the time I never got into like street fights right and you're just they're stupid They're stupid. There's a stupid. It's just like it's just your ego that keeps you there If it's one thing if you have to defend yourself someone's like you're talking you or something's dating or someone's attacking you or someone's attacking someone you love. But to just get into fights because you know how to fight is so crazy. Because like you think, oh if I do what you do I'd be beating the fuck out of people. No you wouldn't because they'll shoot you. Come back with a gun and fucking shoot you. You think people just like getting head kicked? No they're gonna fuck you up man. What are you gonna look over your shoulder the rest of your life? Yeah, yeah, no, you can't do that You can't do that. It's so fucking silly. It's so dumb It's so dumb, but also that's people that haven't trained they don't understand that like right But I tell people like the best way to to stop bullying it sounds so counterintuitive Teach people how to fight when they're young Yeah, teach bullies even how to fight they won't be doing that. That's right because they in a way inherently have a respect. Yeah, they're insecure. Yes. The reason why they're imposing their strength and other people and trying to [0:38:11] Make people feel bad is because they feel bad and they want they think somehow another by being a piece of shit to someone who's smaller than them That somehow another that boosts them up But it doesn't it just gives you like you have low self-. You can't think of yourself as like a hero If that's the kind of life you're living. It's a terrible way to live It is yeah, and they don't but people don't understand that the way to cure that is not to like Just simply punish them the way to cure that is to teach everyone how to fight like it should be a thing that men learn and I think some women too Like not mandatory. I'm not saying everyone should have to do this, but it should be an option available to you. And if that option is available to you and you take it, I think it'll better your life. And I think it'll stop a lot of this bullying. I really do. Absolutely. And the spirit of learning how to protect yourself, right? In that anchor, [0:39:01] of learning how to protect yourself and then learning how to fight, learning how to throw a punch, throwing out through this, do this. Yeah. You also learn the value in difficult work and getting better at things. Some people never learn that. They never learn that. I mean, that's a whole idea about training really fucking hard. You know, the value of putting in that hard work early. I always tell athletes, I don't know, you feel the same way. It know, the value of putting in that hard work early. I always tell athletes, and I know you feel the same way. It's like the whether you're on the football field, basketball court, in the cage, whatever it is that you do, whatever kind of athletics, it always always starts in the gym. And once you're done and you're playing days are over, you're fighting days are over, wrestling days are over, you go back to the gym. It all starts in the gym. That hard work you put in. You just have to keep your body healthy. If you can't keep your body healthy, I understand. But if you can, you've got to do it. It's something everyone should do. It makes your life better. It just does. You know, and there's so many intelligent people that I know that ignore their body. [0:40:03] Because they're so concentrated on their mind They're so concentrated on intellectual pursuits that they let their body become just a wreck just so like yeah a physical Rec we only got one man. Yeah, it's frail It's a one and your intellectual energy is dependent upon your physical energy if your if your body's tired Your brain's not gonna function as well. Even if you have an amazing brain. Right. You're not giving it what it needs. That's right. That's right. Yeah. I agree. And it's also the best way to filter out the noise of life. Like if you choose to do something that's much harder than anything else you're gonna experience, and it's voluntary, the rest of life is easier. It really is easier. Yeah. Stress and bullshit and criticism and fucking haggling and nonsense and chaos like you can get through that. Especially today. Mm hmm. Right. There's so much fucking noise. So much noise and bullshit. So much bullshit. So much toxicity. So much time. So it's just out there all the time and you're [0:41:03] right. It's the kind of that kind of anchoring balance in training gives you the leg up to swap the bullshit away. Swat the bullshit away. The bullshit today is fascinating because it's social media bullshit. It's a different bullshit than people have ever experienced in all of human history. These people that you don't know chiming in about everything. The good part of that is there's a sharing of ideas and there's a way of communicating that never existed before and people who are learning so much more about things than ever before. Social media allows people to break news stories long before mainstream media, it allows people to tell you about fascinating stories that maybe you would have never heard of and amazing archaeological discoveries and scientific advancements and it's incredible in that regard. But it's also your dealing with human beings in a weird form where they're not in front of you, they're not talking to you eye to eye, they can say the shittiest things and they [0:42:04] don't feel anything. That's right. And they're trying to hurt people's feelings and they make it like an activity. Like their activity is not jujitsu. Their activity is like shitting on people online, starting trouble. That's the trend. Yeah. That it's just to shit on everything. But you're right. I want to back up for a second because it's so important that people hear this too as well. I think especially coming from you and I are kind of in the public eye and we deal with the shit and the noise and all that. But we also deal with the good stuff. And like you were saying, I am an optimist. I think of my DNA. So I like to look and search for the good stuff that's out there. The stuff that's going to make me better, help me stretch out my aperture up here, looking at things like, oh, I never looked at it like that. Thank you for bringing that up. That's great. I don't know if I agree, but let's talk a little bit more. Compared to the ones with the experts, toxicity, and it's this interesting thing that some people have to, I'm gonna go out of my way [0:43:00] to try and make you feel bad. Yeah. And make people feel bad shit on this whole thing and really not offer anything I think constructive right, you know that we can talk about it and chop up Well, it's almost all damaged people and the problem is yes a good percentage of the people out there are damaged and There's a thing about the kind of fucking interaction that people have on social media that just makes their life worse, whether they realize it or not, just fills their life with anxiety and this weird need to constantly check see who responded to what you tweeted and what are the comments on your Facebook post and reading them all. And you're not living your life You're just wrapped up in this weird battle of opinions with strangers. Yes You know, and you see people defending themselves online like I have done this and I have done that. What are you doing? Fuck you doing [0:44:01] You argue with some fucking 15 year old troll who's in a basement who's hiding from his stepdad. You're like, what are you doing? And you know, what I always love is the tap as typing in all capital letters as if there's somebody's yelling and how dare you in this. It's like, what the fuck are you doing? Well, it's a sport. It's a sport in trying to get the best response and there's skill to it, you know, the skill to shitting on people and learning how to like go after people. Like it's it is a kind of a game. You're trying to like sing them. And then you look at the comments and everybody's agreeing with you. Yeah, yeah, get them. Yeah. It's like living in that in the just the the clickbait culture. Mm-hmm. You know, and want to raise the profile. Yeah. So let me ask you this. And this is something you and I were texting about last week is, how can you tell the difference between the bullshit noise and the toxicity that's always out there compared to, oh, that's an opinion that it's worthy of my attention. But I just want to look at and look at this for a second. [0:45:03] Yeah. How do you differentiate the two? It's difficult, right? You gotta try to be objective. And you gotta try to be unemotional when you read something that someone's writing. Like say if someone, like Palestine and Israel is a great example. Because the tension is so heightened. And anything you say on one side or the other people will attack you on. And so this is one that's, if you have an opinion, a political opinion, a cultural opinion about the conflict and you post it, boy, you are opening yourself up to a world of people agreeing and disagreeing and chaos and fighting and some of those people are going to have points that make sense. Like, say if you are 100% pro Palestine and you read something about Hamas and you read some of your, wow, that's fucking terrible. You know, you have to be willing to say, oh, there's both things. There's the, you know, the fact that they live in what's essentially an open air prison [0:46:03] is fucking terrible. Also, the people that are ruling them are terrorists. That's terrible too. Like, you can't ignore any aspect. This is a complicated thing. What some of the Israeli soldiers have done some evil things to Palestinian, there's videos of them shooting people. Also, what Hamas did is fucking insanely evil. Like, what has to be done to fix that? I do not know. But to pretend it's binary and to pretend it's one side good, one side bad, that seems insane. It's all bad. It's all bad. It's all fucking heartbreaking. Yeah. It's all devastating and you're right. There's, and what I've learned, I feel like we've all learned or trying to learn at least is because it is so complicated. And that is a part of the world and historically, thousands of years that I find complicated and I try my best to understand. I also try to go out with an open mind because it is all fucking crazy. [0:47:01] It's crazy. It doesn't seem like there's a real solution either. It's very scary Yeah, it doesn't seem like there's a real solution either And there's the things that you said yes, and I want to get to that in a second because I was thinking about that today is The everything you said absolutely this part of it is devastating. This is devastating this side this side The 240 hostages that still I haven't come home yet But also where does it go? Right, where does it go? Where does it go? That's the thing that I think really grabs my attention because usually I think, I'm not saying a situation like this, but there's a lot of stuff that goes on where you feel like I think this is the path to finding a resolve, or at least maybe the first steps are resolved, but in this case, brother, I don't know. No, I don't see it. But speaking to what we were talking about earlier, you can learn from that's where separating the noise from the intelligent perspectives. I've read some very intelligent perspectives [0:48:02] so people give you a detailed history in the conflict of the region and you realize like oh this is like incredibly complicated and to have a binary viewpoint or a very black or white viewpoint is dangerous it's not it's not and it's so easy for people to do people love to do that they love to other people it's a natural human trait it's a tribal trait that we have and that is what led to World War 2. And the fucking, the Holocaust is that they othered these human beings because these human beings were Jewish. And you're seeing people doing that now with Jewish people. And you're seeing people doing that now with with Muslim people. There's people that are angry at all Muslim people because of what Hamas did. All of it's crazy. And you, you, what we need to do is realize that othering human beings is insane. And if you could look at earth from space, this is one of the things that all the astronauts have said, all the people that have gone to the space station, there's a moment where you are up there when [0:49:06] you look down on the earth and you see this magical thing that's floating in the heavens. And you realize how insane these conflicts we have over territory, over lines in the dirt, and fighting over resources, and it's so ridiculous. We are one life form. We are one gigantic super organism that needs each other. Cause like, human beings need each other. We do not survive alone. The worst thing they could do to you in prison is put you in solitary confinement. We need each other. It's a part of what we are. We're this one gigantic group of beings that are trying to live our lives all together on this fucking magical thing that's floating through space. And we unfortunately come from tribal backgrounds. [0:50:02] All of us, we evolved in these small groups of hunter-gatherers, thousands and thousands of years ago, and we carry that DNA still. We carry that fiercely loyal tribal DNA that allows us to look at people that aren't a part of us as something less than us. And we've got an other thing. Yeah, and what I'm hoping is that as technology allows people to communicate far more freely and to translate languages more freely and where information is going to exchange more freely and it takes long time for this to happen. But we will eventually understand each other to the point where that's way more difficult to happen because it's so easy for it to happen if you don't speak their language, you don't follow their religion, they're bad, you're good, you know, and then you're othering people. That's right. And we gotta stop that. That's a fucking insanely ridiculous thing that's being done by world leaders. They gather people together against other people that you don't even fucking know. [0:51:03] You don't even know. It's one thing if you have a conflict with an actual human being that's like doing something to you. But this is like, you don't even know these people. And these world leaders have told you that somehow under these people are bad and you're good and we got to go over there and fuck them up. Like, we're still doing that. But that's insane. It's insane that human beings are still doing that. And I'm hoping that as we get to know each other more through technology and through what has become the most connecting innovation, the most connecting technology ever, which is the internet. I'm hoping that's gonna continue to evolve and connect people further and further. The problem is if it along the way it can get co-opted by governments and they can get controlled and censored and that's the enemy. That's the enemy of all truth. That's what we can't have. We can't have that. Yes. We need to fucking ride this out and let this thing ride itself out and figure out the right way to live. But it's [0:52:02] definitely not through war. I feel like I agree with you on that. My hope was in the spirit of vain of what you were saying is that riding it out, getting more information, being open to difference of opinion. Here's how I feel. How do you feel? But tell me, truly tell me a little bit more just so I can understand it. But even in that, the spirit of that, I feel like it gets so much more But tell me, truly, tell me a little bit more just so I can understand it. But even in that, the spirit of that, I feel like you get so much more out of that, so much benefit. But I feel like you were saying, we have to, things got to get recalibrated, man. And I don't know, especially over there, I don't know what the end game is there. So I don't need that. Yeah, it's terrifying. It's terrifying because it can lead the whole world into nuclear conflict and then Civilizations over and then we're back to caveman if we're lucky. Yeah, if we're lucky if there's anybody left I mean that's there's a real possibility we can nuke the whole world and there's no one left Maybe some people living on an island somewhere that's not lucky. Well, it's crazy is That is a possibility. Yeah, and that's what's happened before. Fucking wild. Well, the thing is, it's happened before with natural disasters. [0:53:06] Do we see this? What was that super volcano? Was it Toba? Was that what it was? Yeah, the Toba super volcano 70,000 years ago that reduced the entire human population to a few thousand people. Wow. Yeah, we came that close from a super volcano 70,000 years ago to being down to like very few people. They don't even know how many people it was, but the estimates are a few thousand, I think. Is that what the estimates are? See what I think that's what they think. But that's create a few thousand people is nothing. Like how? That's not a whole thing. That's a concern. That's like go to a concert. Like a theater, not even a fucking big show. It's my first wrestling match. Yeah, a few thousand. And then imagine that's the whole human race on planet Earth. And then you're dealing with back then, of course, you're dealing with predators, you're dealing with natural disasters and even normal shit, like freezing to death in the winter and starving. Yeah. You know, and if you're dealing with a super vulcan of these, you have also a nuclear [0:54:00] winter. Super vulcano coats the earth in ash and it's one of the things that kills everybody's the temperature drops. No sunlight gets through, plants don't grow, everything's fucked. And then you know, you're cannibalizing. There's a lot of that. Yeah, I mean there's a high possibility that our ancestors were cannibals. And that the people that had to survive through a lot of these things, they probably ate people. Did what they had to do. Yeah. Yeah, did what they had to do. This is fucked. Yeah. I always, I'd start with my quad. That's me. It's a lot of meat of that thing. Yours too. I don't think I'd eat myself. I'd probably jump off a cliff. You know, it's a thing is like, you know, people, it's a scary thing what people resort to, like the Donner party, right? No one of those people got trapped trying to make the way across the mountains. It's terrifying. When you're realizing your star, and people are like trying to draw straws, is it who's gonna kill who to eat? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, you said, you talked about the, [0:55:04] who was at the astrophysic, you said what we talk about? Yeah, the NASA, the scientists, when they look up, there's, you know, it has that emotional impact on them. Yeah. It really puts things into perspective, right? Not how we're just on this spinning thing. Yeah. We all do need each other. I always like to say too, because I feel like it connects to what you said, which is try to keep in mind history is always watching. And when you think the decisions we make today, years from now history is going to look back at this time. And I think if you really think like that, it kind of, it just helps force another forcing mechanism to try and make the best decision possible. At least I try to think that way. The history's always watching, man. But we have the benefit of living a good life while this is happening. Imagine being someone trapped in Palestine. And imagine being someone trapped in Gaza while they're bombing. And this idea is that they're supposed to get rid of moss. How do they think of no food? They have no money. [0:56:00] They have bad water. Like what are you talking about? Like what are they gonna do? They're occupied too. They're occupied by whoever's leading them. You know, when you're deeply impoverished and there's no way out, and you're literally like trapped in this one place and you can't even leave, what are your options? Like saying that they need to rise up and organize. Like they're gonna be killed. Do you understand how that works over there? It's not that simple. No, that's the thing. That's why I go back to where's the wise brains here in open hands who is what's the resolve? I don't know. What's the beginning of it, at least, you know? I haven't heard anyone have like a solution that really makes sense that I think is workable that they could actually pull off. I think before October 7th, you know, they'reable that they could actually pull off. I think before October 7th, you know, they're probably what you could have had options. Right. But after that, it's like, God, the Israelis are so bloodthirsty and now the people that are like the free Palestine people are bloodthirsty. And you see anti-semitism everywhere now. A level that I never [0:57:03] saw before. Open anti-semitism online. open anti-Semitism online open anti-Semitism People chanting chanting death to the Jews openly in public. It's crazy to see It's crazy to see yeah never yeah, it's it's so wild and You would imagine that in this day and age in 2023, we would be moving away from all that. Yeah. But to see it ramped up in our lifetime is so insane. Well, that's why it concerns me though, right? And I know you too, and a lot of people out there, like, where does that go? Right. Where does this escalate to? Yeah, not a good place. No. And then where is that person, human, group who's going to come in and say, let's try this. And how do we do that? Does it, does something tragic, really tragic, not anything that's already happened has been horrifically tragic, but something horrific at a large scale [0:58:00] has to happen that really wakes people up like a nuclear bomb hitting a city. And people go, Jesus Christ. Like we went from 1945 until today and without doing that. If we do that now and then they retaliate, and then that, no, no, it's over. Then we're fucked. I hope that's not the case brother. Yeah. I hope it's not the case too, but sometimes I think something has to happen to wake people up. And like one thing that happened. And shake and recalibrate everything. 9-11 did that. Yes. Like you remember after 9-11, everybody had those American flags on their car, even in LA, which is super liberal, and they never put a fucking American flag on their car. Everybody had them on. It galvanized. Yeah, brought us together. Brought us together. And it made people realize like hey, we are literally a country. We're all in this together and without that conflict I think people start looking for conflict amongst the people that are around them. I think human beings unfortunately have a natural desire to seek out conflict or to embrace conflict or to be a part of conflict and [0:59:00] you know and to go after people's opinions don't align with theirs and And, you know, and to go after people's opinions don't align with theirs. And, you know, if there's no real problem in the world, you find problems. It's like that expression, like the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you. If it's daddy taking away your role's voice because you drove drunk when you're 16. That's still the worst thing that's ever happened to you. Yeah. But if your life has been this fucking chaotic system of foster homes and drug addicted family members and crime and then you get free, something that would drive someone up a wall won't affect you at all. That's right. Because you've been through so much. That's right. And I think unfortunately there's a lot of people in this life in this world that we live in, especially in America that live soft-ass lives. Oh yeah. And they don't encounter real hardship. They encounter like kind of like minor league hardship that they have blown up to be the end of the world. It's not the hardcore ship that really shapes you. [1:00:01] Yes. That a lot of people need. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. that really shapes you. Yes, that a lot of people need. Yeah. I agree. It's just, we're going through a very strange adolescence as a species. And we're going through this teenage process of like, fucking up and figuring out who you are with nuclear weapons. And like, if you looked at the actual civilization on Earth itself, the human civilization, it's going through this chaotic period of trying to grow and get better while also engaging in ridiculous conflict. And it's all happening in the blink of an eye. It's happening so rapidly. Things have changed so quickly from the time you and I were kids. I mean, when you were our kids, it was Russia. I was worried about going to war with Russia. Right. And then when the fall of Soviet Union, there was us like, ah, it's calm that went through the whole country. The breath. Yes. And I thought we were done. I thought, oh, we're done with all this. This is great. Yeah. You figured this out. Yeah, but no. Well, that's why I wonder where are the [1:01:07] call for leaders, you know, like we're where. I mean, it's a big question, but well, nobody really wants to be presidents. Fucking the crawl up your ass for a microscope. Dude, it's not fun. Talked about you being president. I know. I remember one point in time it was like they were saying it should be the rock and Oprah. They should be president vice president. What? So one of the parties came to visit me. Oh no. At the end of last year, asking for me to run. Oh, geez. That's a first. I mean, it was for president president. Wow. It was in first of all, incredibly fucking surreal. Right. Because I was the guy, you know, who was wrestling in flea markets. Right. Years ago, looking for free corn dogs and hot dogs and shit. Sell them my headshots for five bucks trying to make money. And then all of a sudden I'm having that conversation. But now it was just incredibly surreal and so wild. But also so incredible that they had all this data [1:02:07] surreal and so wild, but also so incredible that they had all this data that would that they had said if this happens, here's the result. Oh wow. It was really fucking deep. And then I started to think again, surreal because that's never been my goal. Right. I'm like you in here in our core, right? But it made me think it's either this is an incredible thing and I got some pretty decent leadership skills or things are so fucked up. They're turned into the pro wrestling movie star. I try to run the world. Man, but who are those, you know, leaders, whether president or not, but I just, I wait for as it relates to the conflict, they're like, who's not necessarily step up, but just information. As you were talking about, [1:03:00] we live in this time with incredible technology and communicate so fast. And you could be as open as your aperture stretches out to be and you could get as much information as you can. So where are those people who are going to come? They don't want to be president. They're running their own lives and they, you know, they're looking on the sideline and wishing that someone would lead real leadership skills and real wisdom and real empathy and a real moral compass who's not governed entirely by money. What you just said it, I mean those things, empathy, you know, those kind of qualities, integrity. Yeah. Especially the empathy part. Yeah. And looking at everything is open. Yeah. But if you're a person that has empathy, how do you conduct a drone strike where you know that a certain amount of civilians, 100% are gonna die, but you know that a terrorist might be in this apartment building. How do you greenlight that? Because you kind of have to, [1:04:00] if you wanna get rid of this terrorist, but we know the consequences of drone strikes. There's some insane number of people that are innocent civilians that get killed. It's hard. It's been explained to me by my friends in the military that it's very difficult to know the truth because oftentimes, you get lies from either side. For sure. 100% for sure. Truth into the in terms of the reasons for the orders that they can not just the reason for the orders But the amount of people that died that were innocent but for sure innocent people die the question is how many of them You know when they say someone they bombed a wedding party that's real that's happened like thousands of people have died That way all over the world. Yeah it's in Yemen or wherever there's they're conducting bombing raids, there have been many people that have not been a target that were killed. But what are those numbers? And what's the reality of it? Because if you're on that side that get bombed, you might put [1:05:00] out a press information, you might put out something that says a thousand innocent civilians and they bombed a children's hospital. But the reality might be it was actually 20 insurgents and 50 civilians. Like we don't really know what the real numbers are unless you're on the ground doing a census. I don't know if we get accurate information from either side. But if you're a president, you have to deal with that horrible reality that if you do an action, if there's some sort of a military action that has to be taken place, particularly like a drone bombing in a civilian area, you're going to kill some innocent people. That is a crazy thing to have on your conscience if you have a moral compass. It's great. And what are the options to risk our service members and have them go in there and get gunned down and blown up and lose 50% of them because you didn't want to kill the same number of innocence of villains, like, and then you get into that conversation. It's like, what's the fucking, what's the solution there? Yeah, yeah. [1:06:01] Other than we shouldn't be at war with anybody and we should figure out a way to stop this before that happens before that happens Yes, all over the world right because and usually you could kind of see it coming down the road Yeah, you could see the scenario happening coming down the road. So maybe to the ability to strategically get in have the conversations you have to have before it actually gets to the right before it escalates to the point of Like extreme violence right, the point of what extreme violence. Right. But some people want extreme violence. And that's the Eisenhower speech when he left office that there's a military industrial complex that wants us to go to war. They profit off a war. And they can, you know, if they're the people that are funding political campaigns and they have massive amounts of money that they're using as influence, they can make certain politicians make decisions that are not in the best interest of the United States or the people that are the citizens. They can do things entirely to make money. You know, like you see it and you see the amount of money that's involved in something [1:07:01] like Ukraine. Whether or not you're pro us helping Ukraine or not. Where did we come up with all that money? And why don't we have that money to fix America? There was one point in time we talked about this where there was six billion dollars they accidentally paid to Ukraine. They overpaid them six billion dollars. Well, that's the exact amount of money it would take to rebuild every single house in Maui. Exactly. Yeah. And no discussion about that at all instead the Maui people get $700 a one-time payment which is insane What are we are we a community? Yeah, or we not if we have the money to donate to some guy who was a fucking literally used to be a stand-up comedian He used to play piano with his dick. That's Zelensky. He did a thing He's a video of him playing piano with his dick. It was like one of his routines. Wow. He was a comedian. And he played a character on a television show. That was a comedian. Yes. Zelensky was a comedian. And he played a character of a regular guy who becomes the president. I forget what his job was in real life. But he becomes a [1:08:02] president and then ran for president in real life and became president. And we're just sending this guy billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars. And some of it is just like, where is it all going? Like, do we have an accurate account of like, is anybody siphoning this? Like, we know that there's massive amounts of corruption all over the world when it comes to this kind of stuff like where's that money going? Yeah, this is nuts. Yeah, why don't we have that money to fix inner cities? Why don't we have that money for infrastructure? Why don't we have that money for the school system inner cities? Homeless. Yes, school. What's going on San Francisco? San Francisco's G-G-G-Ping is going to visit in a bunch of Chinese, a bunch of world leaders, but Xi Jinping particularly. And so they cleaned up all the homelessness. They took all the tents out and they put fences up everywhere. So the people can't, can't camp out anymore. We don't even know what they did with them. I was just going to ask, what would they do with them? See, you can find a video of it. It's crazy. And then you got Gavin Newsom on TV who's making excuses for it. It's like, yeah, we did. Well, when people come over to visit, [1:09:06] you know, you clean your house up. Like, how about you fucking clean your house up? Tell your oven first. All the time. If you can do this now, you can do this always. I'm assuming you did something ethically responsible with those people and housed them and put them up somewhere. I'm hoping that's what you did. You should just move their tent to the fucking middle of the desert or something. What have you done? For an after picture. Yeah. Insane. Well, this is just a couple of pictures, but the really wild ones are the fences. They put fences up everywhere, so the people can't camp there anymore. Put troughs up right there. What are the troughs Troughs are weird. But they hose down all the streets. Like, hey guys, why don't you fucking do this all the time? Like why isn't this always like this? This is what San Francisco used to be like. You ruined it. Now we know that you could fix it and fix it quick. Now we should be really upset. As upset as people were before about the homeless problem in San Francisco, they should be fucking furious about it now because they always had the ability to fix it quickly. [1:10:07] And they brought San Francisco back quickly to safe and clean and no homeless people in the street. Now, is this temporary? Are you gonna go right back to detents when Xi Jinping leaves? That's crazy. Where'd they go? Do we know? I don't know. What's the explanation? It's wild. It's like, oh, you could have always done this. Yeah. Why didn't you do this from the beginning? Yeah. What Nordstroms wouldn't have had to close? All those Walgreens, all those everything's closed in San Francisco. They're all leaving the city. It's like the city's a fucking zombie wasteland. And you could have cleaned it up at any time. Mm hmm. Wild. Especially with that money. As you said, they overpaid. Overpaid $6 billion to Ukraine. Yeah, whoops, sorry. No worries. We're going to pay more money in the future. That was the idea. Like we'll just add it on to the money that we're going to give in the future. But no discussion at all. People have completely forgotten about Maui. [1:11:02] No one discusses Maui. It never comes up. Well, brother, you know, those are my people. Yes. Right? Polynesian people, my grandparents are buried over there in the islands, my family. So we started that fund. The people's fund of Maui. And now we've helped over 8,000 people, $1,200 per person who has verified over 8,000, which is really amazing. But one of the biggest things, which first of all, the whole fucking thing was so heartbreaking. But then also, don't forget about Maui. And it's crazy because the work that now that me and the team have been putting it, like it doesn't end. It's a continuous calling these corporations. Hey, remember, these are our American people. Right. They're not just out there on the island. These are American people that can't forget about them. So it's just, it's a wild thing. It's wild. It's what's not done by the government. Like, what are they, why wouldn't they do that? It's the biggest wildfire, the worst disaster. In a hundred years. In a hundred years. We don't even know how many people are dead because so many people are unaccounted for and they can't find their butt there's nothing left they're incinerated. So how do you find who's missing and who's [1:12:08] gone? You don't know it's going to take a long time to sort it out. Well and the the the bill back to stand everybody back up on their feet in the families it's going to take a long long time. But if you think about it we stood this fund up on its feet, brother within six weeks, just like that. They're still waiting for the governmental money. It's insane. It's insane. It's insane. When you think about how much money we donate to other countries, but it's low in after that, or after the wildfires, man. And it was, it's like, it's, it's like something you've never seen before. And you feel the weight and heaviness of the area. You know, when devastation like that happens in that way, like you just, you land. And you know, you've been Hawaii a whole bunch of times I feel like when you land, you feel that a low hospital. It feels good. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. It's amazing, right? [1:13:01] And it's, but you land there and you feel the heaviness fucking heavy heavy it's heartbreaking heartbreaking and it will be for a long time yes it's gonna but I'm proud of them I'm so proud of our people you know because it's like it's what you do in times like this you fucking come together well the people that did survive and do come together they will never forget and it'll be a part of them and then it'll probably bring those people closer together, especially the people that helped everybody. Yeah, but it's just it's just insane that the government doesn't do anything about it. And they still could. They still could. They're writing these billion dollar checks to Israel and billion dollar checks to this and billion dollars. Just come on. Fuck it. Step up with it. Everybody would approve it. No one would say, what are you doing? Why spend all that money on Maui? For our own. For our own. For our own people. Yes. Which is crazy that Hawaii is America anyway. I mean it's great that it's protected by America but isn't it crazy you have to fly five hours over the ocean? You're still in America. You literally land in a beautiful volcano in the middle of the ocean that's created islands. And that's America. [1:14:06] Fifty estate. Yeah. It's fucking wild. But if that is America, we should treat it like it's America. We should protect it like it's America. And we should help them like it's America. Protect it to the core. And 700 bucks per person is not doing that at all. A one time payment. It's so insulting and so insane in the light of all this public knowledge of the amount of money that we're sending to other countries. Yeah, we know what we did on this fund, just so you know, it's $1200 per month. Oh, that's great. It's great for months. And anyone who's verified, and you know, with Polynesian culture, there's a lot of people in the house at times like aunties and uncles and grandparents So there's some houses that are getting four five six thousand dollars. That's great. That's really great Yeah, that's something and again it should be coming from the government and it could be done It's not something that couldn't be done. I mean it's something that everybody would support take care of our own first Yeah, I mean what what are we if we're not a country if we're not at the same thing with family? Yeah, like you would take care of your family first. I take care of my family first. Yeah. [1:15:08] Take care of our American people. It's a community. It's we should be a community. Yeah, and we're so divided and polarized right now and I think a lot of that is accentuated by social media and also accentuated by the mental illness of being obsessed by social media. Because I think it is a mental illness. I think it's a mental illness just like gambling addiction is a mental illness. I think it's just that people are goddamn addicted to apps and their phone and just reading stuff and attacking each other. And it's caused this divide to be... Reading stuff and believing. Yeah, well, when I was a kid, you can have a Republican friend. Like it was no big deal. Yes, yes. No big deal. Like, oh, Bobby likes George Bush. Of course. Who gives a fuck? You know, you were a supporter of Bill Clinton. He liked George Bush. Nobody cared. Nobody like fuck you. [1:16:01] You know, it wasn't like you're a Nazi like I'm a wouldn't be a Nazi. I just want lower taxes What the fuck he's talking about how did everyone not see dude? It's a craziest thing I have friends who support Trump I have friends who support Biden. I have friends. Do you really have friends who support Biden? Come on. No, no, no, no, no, here's what I do. I have I have friends Thank you. That's a good check because that's important. This is important context. They support the Democratic Party. I have friends who are loyal to the party. Yes. Okay. The progressive. Right. Yes. Loyal to the party support Trump. I have friends who are like, fuck it. I'm not voting for either one. Last election, this election, so that place where it's okay. Yeah, it should be. Yeah, you should be a person in the problem. People should be able to have discussions about the differing opinions and not turn it to just some crazy insult fest, which is what you see online. And you see it all the time. You see it online even with political commentators. [1:17:01] They get in these interview sessions and they fucking start yelling and screaming at each other it's like it's fucking stupid it's bad for you too bad for the people that are engaging in it it's bad for everybody's listening well so yeah and it's it's unhealthy not only unhealthy for yourself but also just in terms of humanity man yeah it's bad for humanity yeah absolutely yeah let me ask you this. You talked about it's hard, even for our guys, are military boys and girls who are on the ground to get information that they feel is really accurate. Like what have your guys said? Like for example, Marcus Atrello, who's our friend, Tim Kennedy, and I have two Navy SEALs in my family, two cousins. Like what are your guys saying how how do they Combat the idea of not getting the correct information? Well, they do their very best and especially like special operators seals rangers I mean they get pretty solid information for what their objective is [1:18:00] But obviously their objective is very narrow they deal with versus Whatever the situation is. They have to go in and take care of it. They need to know how many enemy combatants. They need to be know who's in the house, what's there, what how to get in. You know, it's a very specific skill set that these gentlemen have. And they have to rely on accurate information. And for the most part, they're the very best at getting their accurate information to those special operators. But when it deals with worldwide scale, like trying to figure out what's real and what's not and who's telling the truth and who's not. Fuck. Good luck. Because there's so much Russian disinformation and Chinese disinformation and American disinformation. I mean, there's just entire groups of people dedicated to dedicated to these troll farms that just go online and make things up and tack people and try to organize these campaigns against a certain idea or a certain political candidate and it's just organized and it's, you know, it's funded and though it's hard for if you're a person and you have a family and a job and interest and you check the news every you know once a day twice a day try try [1:19:13] Figure it out what the fuck is actually true. Yes. So I always tell people especially younger people like hey be careful You could read it but be careful about really what you believe yeah, and what's funny is is, I'm sure you noticed this too, and for a lot of people listening, is when you see the trolls and these campaigns that are funded, right, and they look like they're legit and they got all their shit together, is what I always find interesting is the loudest shit talkers on there who are saying really, like, enough for it really stops you in your tracks like wow you really took the time to type that They have zero post on their account. Yeah very few posts very very few followers and the only thing they want to do is that and That's probably a funded person. There's a lot of them the lot of them for it, but of course there are right [1:20:02] It's an effective technique to get people yeah, yeah Killcliffe. This is my own flavor. So spicy pineapple That's my nickname in college Yeah, there's um it's good there's a report they did on Facebook the top 20 Christian sites 19 of them were run by Russian troll fronds. 19 of them. We're like staring people up and the resurrection is coming and you know... How do we navigate in combat that? Mind reading. Yeah, we have to get to a point where technology allows us to legitimately read people's thoughts and I think that's common quicker than we realize. I think that's's thoughts. And I think that's come and quicker than we realize. I think that's around the corner. I think that's 10 years from now. If we don't blow ourselves up within 10 years, we're going to be able to read intentions. We're going to be able to know thoughts. We're going to be able to know things about. That's interesting. How do you think? What's technology? Yeah. probably some sort of wearable device initially, and then for probably higher bandwidth applications, [1:21:07] and especially for people that have neurological conditions and spinal cord injuries, they're gonna start implanting like neural ink. And one of neural ink's first goals is to try to bring people that have spinal cord breaks and people that have lost control of their muscles, and to bring them back to mobility. And they think that that's possible, which is amazing. Wow. Yeah. Well, they're going to be able to do is bypass, I'm crudely phrasing this if you're scientists, I'm sorry, but they're going to be able to bypass the human neurological system in terms of like how you move your arms and body and muscles and do it electronically and they think they can do that and they think that's going to be one of the first medical applications for this kind of a thing. But the other thing that Elon said to me said you're going to be able to talk with that words. Now when most people say you're going to be able to talk with that words and we're like yeah, man, that'd be wild. [1:22:06] But when Elon says it, you're like, for real? Yeah. You really think we're going to be able to talk with that word? It's like 100%. What's the B side to that? What is that exactly? It's going to be something this technology will be some sort of an implanted device that allows you to have constant access probably to something akin to chat GPT and AI, or the next level of it, along with some interconnectivity with other people that are wearing the same device. And it'll probably initially be something that translates languages instantaneously and then as it advances, it will be able to read thoughts. And you'll be able to transfer images, things you see. I will be able to have this thing in my mind and show my friend Greg that I'm sitting here with a rock having a conversation and he could see that through my eyes. We will have universal connectivity with all minds, all minds that have that thing. The real problem is the halves and the half knots. [1:23:07] Because just like if you go back and watch Wall Street, like Michael Douglas had this fucking big ass brick telephone, he was walking in the beach, I'm like look at this guy, he's got a phone, he's walking on the beach, what a baller. Now anyone, you can go to fucking T-Mobile and get a flip phone for like 50 bucks. You get a cheap cell phone. We could talk to a person. It's a tiny thing. It's hitting your pocket. It's so much better than what Michael Douglas had. And everybody can get it. But back then, it was super expensive. Nobody had it. And the halves like Michael Douglas in that movie, greed is good. They used that thing to advance their career. Multiply that times a million and you have the advantage of the initial adopters of whatever this thing is. Because if they integrate with artificial intelligence initially and they integrate with some sort of a universal internet system, they're going to be able to accomplish things in business [1:24:07] and in terms of manipulation of financial markets and in terms of acquiring resources. They're gonna be able to do things that the people without those things are not gonna be able to do. And they will have massive amounts of wealth and power, almost instantly. Within years, it'll be a change of giant shift that'll go over to the people that have these devices. And that's fucking, that's the most insane have and have knots because you essentially have super humans. Essentially have something that's almost like an alien that exists with these advanced primates, which is what we are. Yeah. Does Elon feel like that will happen within a decade? He thinks it's gonna happen pretty quick. Yeah, it probably will be within a decade. Yeah, he thinks that once they start implementing it, and they already started trials with human beings. And I think the first trials they're doing are with people with neurological either conditions or injuries. [1:25:01] Yeah. And I've also heard it talked about vision. They're going to be able to restore people's vision. You know, they're going to be able to do some why old shit. By the way, brother, I mean, 10 years is right around the corner. So quick. 10 years ago was 2013. It's just nothing. Nothing. That seems like a, like, like if you have a 2013 car, that's a fucking pre-new car. Yes. 10 years ago. I was, I was, I was tell people this when I was in high school in 1981 a 1970 car was a classic. Yes. It's only 11 years old. Yeah. But you view out of like a 1970 barracuda like wow. Look at that fucking thing. Yeah. It's, it was a classic already. But time seemed to move different then. Like 10 years back then seemed like a long fucking time. And as society and technology and innovation just spins as this insane, ever rapid pace, 10 years feels like nothing. Dude, it's the acceleration that we live in today. [1:26:02] Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, there's so much going on. And I think when that does happen, there's two Azure first car. My first car was a 1973 Chevelle. How old were you? I was 16. Yeah, I was 16. Yeah, yeah, it was a hunk of shit. I think the bottom for 350 bucks. I'm positive. I bought it for 350 bucks. Yeah, it was worth 300 bucks. It was worth $300. It died the next day. It died the next day. Yeah, but the dude took it back. It was something wrong with the engine. I'm like, dude, the fucking engine seized up. Was that like your boy from your hometown? I knew. A guy I knew. But he took it back. And it died the next day. Yeah, it died the next cars. Those are always what I was sent to. Well, how old were you when you got your first one? 16. Okay, so I'm 15. I'm in a bar in Nashville and I had no business being in a bar, it was downtown Nashville. And on lower broad, because at that time I had this fantasy in my head that I was gonna be a country music singer. [1:27:01] Really? Well, you know, I love country. I think you might have talked about that. I know you want to be a country music. Yeah. Yeah. Until I was like, oh I sing in fucking keys that don't exist. So it's going to be a short lived dream. But dude, so I would go down to these honky tongs. I was down there with a buddy of mine named downtown Bruno and who's still one of my best friends today and a drunk walks in. He says, he wants to buy a car. I had no car at that time. No money. We just got evicted at a Hawaii. And I said, I'll buy it and I had no money. I said, how much? He goes 75, 80 bucks. I said, cool. I tell Bruno how much money he got. He goes, I only got 40. So give me 40. So I give it to the drunk, who's probably high too as well. And I said, here, I'll come back and give you the other 40. It was, so speaking of cool cars, it was a 77 Thunderbird. Oh, right. Blue. There you go. That was it. Only cleaner. But so, so, dude, so check this out. So it was a hunk of shit. This is a beautiful one here on the screen. But mine was on the shit. give the drunk 40 bucks. He, I said, hey, I'll come back and give you the rest [1:28:06] tonight. I get in the vehicle. I start driving down the road. Downtown Bruno's following me in his car. I'm like, fuck, I got my first car. You know how it is when you're a kid, right? You're like, this is it, brother. This is it. I'm driving down the road on I-65 down to Nashville. And I hear a lot of noise, some rustling. You know, in those big bodies, they have the back seat and the floor is really wide. There was another fucking drunk on the floor. Oh, no. And he was, I was like, what the fuck? He's in the car. He's in the car. So I drive over, I pull over and he's just the highest fuck. He's probably a crack kid. And I was like, dude, I bought the car, you gotta get out. This is my house. That's my house. He gets out. And then the next day, I go to put gas in the car. By the way, I'm 15. I had no fucking papers. The car's probably stolen. Probably. I try to put gas in it. And the guy, the drunk crack head didn't give me the gasket. Oh, remember those old-school cars I had the gasky, [1:29:05] so I ditched it at a fucking burger king. Bwah! That was my first car. You get the chivalle that broke down the next day. You just left it there? I had no choice. Why is Jimmy the thing open? It's because I, even at that time, and I appreciate me as fucking guy. By the way, my mom's gonna come to the, what the fuck is this? Where'd you get this car? Right, no insurance. Nothing. No inspection. Yeah. Nothing. Dude. Yeah. The first car, the first time that you could just go wherever you wanted to go. To me, that was magic. Where could just go wherever I wanted to go. Yeah. It's just I just remember just getting in the car and just driving for the sake of driving. Yeah. Which I rarely do anymore. But every time I do I enjoy it. Sometimes I like to just get in a car and just drive. Just the best. Oh yeah. Just when you can't I remember I had my car repossessed when I was 21 when I first started doing comedy. I just went broke and had a full-on they came and they took away. Oh yeah, they took it right in front of my house. [1:30:06] They fucking towed it and I knew I was behind on payments. And then I didn't have a car. And I remember that feeling of like having to take the bus and having to take the train. It was such a fucking drag. And then when I earned enough money to get another car after that, it was like this giant wake I lifted off to me. Now I could just drive around. It's like the freedom of being able to go places. When you're a young kid, that's an amazing freedom. Yeah. Just to be able to just go, I need to go to work. I need to go this place. I want to go to my friends house. You can just go. Just go. It's the best. Yeah. It's a great feeling. Did you, uh, what was that at in Boston? In Boston. Yeah. And then what kind of car do you drive today? Like what's your go to? Well, I have a lot of cars. Um, I collect cars. I have too many cars. But, uh, my car, I, you know, I drive my Tesla a lot. I love it. I love that fucking thing. And I drive my... [1:31:06] Everybody who I talk to has a Tesla, loves a Tesla. That fucking great. Jamie's got one. You got the one I have, the plaid. They're the shit. They're so fast. It's a time machine. How about... That's what I hear. Is there an SUV available? Yeah, they have an SUV and they have truck coming up. How about a pickup truck? That's the cyber truck. Oh nice. Have you seen it? You haven't seen it? You haven't seen the cyber truck? I all I drive is pickup trucks. Oh, Elon brought one here the other day. It's fucking insane. It's insane. It's insane. It's a spaceship. It looks like something. Seeing it in real life is so fucking cool. There's something about photos or kind of they don't it's not you know you're not in contacts. You're not physically there where you get to look at it. But when you're physically there and you look at it, you're like, oh my God, this thing is so fucking cool. Because it doesn't look anything like any other car. That's it. It's bulletproof, by the way. It's also arrowproof. I shot an arrow at it the other day. He told me it was an arrowproof. [1:32:00] Yeah, I pulled a fucking arrow back and I launched into his door. It bounced off barely scratched it. Like you could see a very slight mark where he hit it. But he said he'll stop a 45 slog. Wow. Yeah, why? I go, why? Because it's cool. I'm just going to ask why? Because it's cool. Like that's literally what he did. I mean, the whole thing is made out of steel. The whole thing is made out of steel. Is it heavy as fuck? That's me shooting the arrow at it. Wow. So you see, that's like right when the arrow release is it hits it, it's fucking sparking up. Yeah, it was, I mean, fucking just ate it. Like it was nothing. It's just cool. I mean, he just decided to make it like it's, you know, just make the fucking coolest cyber vehicle that he can. Yeah. He just likes, look, he is the best kind of billionaire to me because he does wild shit. I mean, he made the fucking tip of the SpaceX rocket pointy because he wanted to look more like the one on space balls. [1:33:00] Literally. I mean, that's literally what he did. He's just a wild fella. Yeah. And he just decided. So, idea make it happen. It's hard. I mean, he detailed the process of going from an initial concept, making a demonstration vehicle and then production, how difficult it is and how many things have to line up. Right. Especially when you got something that's incredibly innovative innovative and complicated. I was gonna say so the innovation the complication the production cost on that and how heavy it is What do you think that's going for I think there's gonna be three different tiers? He said yeah, there's gonna be a beast mode, which is like the most insane you know 1100 horsepower Three electric engines zero to 16 under three seconds, which is insane for a seven thousand plus pound vehicle. Three seconds. Three seconds. Wow. And then there's gonna be a lower tier model, but even like if you get a Model 3, which is like their entry level Tesla, it's fast as fuck. It's so fast. It's so competent. [1:34:00] It's so it's a joy to drive. And if you've never driven an electric car, you got to get past the fact that it doesn't make any noise. Because a lot of people love the rumble of the V8 and all that chast. Yeah. But if you can get past that, this the sheer ability that they have to just go, just take off. Yeah. Mine goes 0 to 16, 1.9 seconds. Do you miss the rumbling of the muscle cars? Not just driving muscle car when I miss the rumbling. Yeah. Those feel different though to me when I drive those. That's like I'm on a ride. That's like I'm on a Disneyland ride for adults. It's like, woo! You don't even have to go fast. Just a rumble and a shift in the gears. It's just glorious. I love them. Those things are, they're in my DNA, you know, because when I was a boy, those were the coolest cars. Those were the cars that everybody, all my friends, we all wanted. We all wanted muscle cars. Everybody wanted a 1970 challenger, 69 Camaro, like that's what everybody wanted. So those are the cars that I really love. What's your baby? [1:35:01] That's a muscle car. I got a bunch of them. I like them all. I have a 1970 barracuda that's fucking insane. Color-edster shop, Bill Silver. And it's got a 900 horsepower Mercury engine in it. Yeah, it's a racing engine that goes to like 9,000 RPMs. That's my car. Wow, have you opened it up? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that thing's a beast. Look at that. That thing is really fun. That's really fun But that was the car my mom had my mom had a 71 when I was a kid. Oh wow So there's a there's an emotional thing. Oh, yeah To me that was always the car barracuda's just they only made them cool for like three years Yeah, but in those three years that body shape is just so bad out This is what John Wick had in John Wick 4. Yeah, dude. Yeah. That 71 barracuda. You know, it's crazy when you tell me that because it informs a lot in my head. Like, oh, hey, my mom had that car. Mm-hmm. So just emotionally, there's a real emotional connection there. So growing up, I never had muscle cars in my life. And even my dad so it's crazy as wrestlers and I know you've had some few wrestlers on especially my dad's era in the 80s those guys it was always [1:36:08] important that the wrestlers either had a Cadillac or Lincoln so they're always flossing always looking amazing pulling up to like the arena in a Caddy or like that was a prerequisite oh yeah and then we drive home to our fucking trailer park but it was crazy so growing up from me. It was less muscle cars even though I appreciated them in movies It was more dude. I can't wait to get a caddy. Yeah caddy's like that's the thing you know what I mean It's like just your float. Yeah, just floating down the road. Yeah, those were the shit But it's also that thing too about like just the emotional connection And then I realized when I got my first caddy, I was like, well, I'm on a second. It actually represents what we call in the wrestling business, work in the gimmick. Meaning, the guy's working the gimmick and I thought, I don't want the caddy. It makes me feel like I'm working the gimmick. [1:37:00] Right, right, right, your floss and almost flossing like almost stereotypically flossing. Yeah, correct. Correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I went to pick up drugs. Christian Bale drives around in a 90. It was a no. It's a 2003 Toyota Tacoma. And so that's like a full fill or like $150 million. No, before he became right now. That's what he drives around in 2003 Toyota Tacoma. like a hundred fifty million dollars. No, before he became... No, no, no, right now. That's what he drives around in. 2003 Toyota Tacoma. Wait, so what's the emotional thing, but do you think there's a connection there with Chris? He says it's good. It's a good car. Never breaks. He's like, if someone needs me to carry something I could put it in the back. He's just fucking, he's an artist. And he's just pragmatic. This doesn't give a shit. It doesn't give a shit. He's not interested in material. I'm a bullshit. Yeah, for him, I drive a 2003 Toyota Tacoma. It's a fucking bulletproof car. They never break. That's awesome, man. You get a Toyota. Those motherfuckers go forever. I have a Toyota Land Cruiser. I have a 1995 that I drove Mine's all redone. It's got a supercharged Corvette engine in it. It's all been redone. [1:38:05] What year? 1995. So 1995 was finally when I came out of Miami, University of Miami and started wrestling. Oh no, in 96. And that was my first car after the crack head car that I had to leave it. Which I get. Land Cruiser. Oh, that was great. Land Cruiser. They're great. They're great. They will go hundreds of thousands of miles and not fuck up. Yeah. Yeah, those cars are they just over engineered them. The Japanese just they know how to over engineer a car to make it incredibly durable and reliable. Yeah. And that was great too because that put a lot of pressure on American automobiles because there's a lot of people that didn't want to buy American cars for a while in the 80s because they fucking broke all the time. But those Toyotas, they fucking never break. Lexus is, I've had three of those Lexus big trucks. They go forever. They never fuck us. Those Lexus is? Yes. They always do. There's never a problem. Electronics worth flawlessly. Everything's flawless. It's never have an issue. [1:39:01] Never. They're just over-engineered and that's you know it's like it's developed a loyal fan base but you know you can have a 2003 and be Christian Baal and it's not gonna break. You know. You know they used to be a thing where they would they would sort of like build in the fact that you're gonna have to buy a new one soon. Yeah. They wanted things to break down so that you would have an incentive to get a new one. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. There's this great, Merle Haggard quote from one of his songs. I wish a Ford and a Chevy would still last 10 years when they should. It's really crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Now that was back then, I was going to say they do now and I drive Ford's all the time. So yeah, they're great. Yeah, like like if you go on a ranch almost everybody has an F-150. Oh That's my James or bulletproof F-150 350 the Raptor. Oh, yeah. I love them. I have a TRX. That thing's Yes, it's a badass isn't it? That thing's the shit. A mine is a Hennessy. So it's a thousand horsepower. [1:40:01] You got it. It's a thousand horsepower because the 700 is not enough. It's not enough. Yeah. What kind of wheels and tires you put? Oh, the Hennessy puts them on. It's all, he does like a whole suspension change and breaks the upgrades the brakes and yeah, that's, that's what mine looks like. Fuck. Yeah, that's not mine. Mine's black, but it looks exactly like that. Were you opening up that up? Not really. I don't really open it up I just liked that it can do it yeah it's just fun that it can do it it can do it it sounds glorious yeah sounds like America yeah sounds like America yeah it just sounds perfect yeah and if you're in Texas I think you have to have a pickup truck I think it's a law if you're a man in your Texas you probably want to pick up I did I used to live here in Texas. Would you live Dallas? I love Dallas. I love Dallas. My old man was wrestling for a very famous family, the Von Erick family. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. And they got a big movie coming out, by the way, this on the Von Erick's. On the Von Erick's. On the Von Erick's. On the Von Who's starting that? Zach Efron. Zach Efron. [1:41:05] Yeah, that is a Zach Efron movie. That's gross. Some other actors too, I think, right? They did it. But yeah, that's a. That's it. Oh, there they are. Official trailer. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, my wild family. My wild family and just tragedy. Yeah. But my old man wrestled for their dad, which is the guy on the left. That guy looks like the dad of a bunch pro wrestlers. Yeah, it is. Look at him. Look at a hard ass, this fucking tape on his knuckles. It's generic. Look at his knuckles. The guy's covered in sweat and he's wearing a fucking like a regular work t-shirt. And it looks like blood on it too as well. The guy in the middle, Kevin B Eyre, is the only one of the brothers that's still alive. Wow. The guy all the way on the right, Carrie was my hero man. And what's crazy is when my dad wrestled for Vince, I'm sorry, for Fritz Van Eyre, we lived in Dallas and every week at this famous arena called the Sportatorium, this tiny little arena, the size of a little flea market. [1:42:11] Those guys, I used to wrestle with them in the afternoons and just roll around the ring. Wow. That's wild. Yeah. Anyway. How old were you when you had your first progressing match? I was 24. Wow. 24 years old. So how about this? So I again like we were saying earlier football for me was a ticket. Like that was the thing that I was really going to make it And I didn't, and I thought, I'm gonna shift my focus onto something I think I'm gonna love. I think it's in here, passion. It's pro wrestling. And so I take a quick story. So my coach from Calgary, I played up in the CFL. I got cut from the CFL. He got cut in October of 95. He calls me in December of 95 and says, hey, I want you to know, even though we cut you, I want to bring you back next season. I think you got some real potential. I want to have you back. Dude, some on the phone. It's one of those old ass phones that are on the wall. I see my dad over there in the chair. My dad's just an old-time grizzly wrestler. [1:43:05] We're living in his little apartment in Tampa. My mom's over there on the couch and I tell the coach quietly, Wally Boone, I was his name. Great guy. I said, hey thank you for the opportunity. I really appreciate it. But I'm going to have to close this chapter in my life. And he's like, I hear him kind of softly, okay. Yeah. And I said so. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. I'm kind of softly talking. Yeah. And I said, so thank you very much. I appreciate it. Hang up the phone. I said, who was that? I said, I was a coach from Calgary. He said, what do you want? Oh, he wanted to offer me another contract for next year. By the way, the contract was like, I was making $300 a week, Canadian. Wow. So there was no money I said, I'm not. He said, what do you mean you're not? I said, I think I'm done. I'm done with football and the pursuit of it. It's just not in my cards. He said, what are you gonna do? I said, I'm gonna get in the business. [1:44:01] He went, what business? I said, the wrestling business. Dude, we got in the biggest fucking fight. Really? The biggest, am I wanting you to do it? He didn't want me to do it. But my old man was a ground breaker, your first black tech team champions in WWE. He was jacked, pull up my dad if you get Rocky Johnson. I want to show you like he was. Oh, I know you're down. Jacked,, he was he was part of that group in the early 80s right? We're like bodybuilding and So what Damn, that's a genetic son That's it brother. That's the proctinetics come. That's it. Yeah. Oh god. He was jacked. So Yeah, and we bonded he used to get me up and take me to the gym when I was five sitting the corner and I just that's how I and get me up and take me to the gym when I was five, sit in the corner and that's how I get to really bomb my dad. He didn't want me to do it. And we got into the biggest fucking fight. My mom's crying, I'm crying. And he said, what do you think you have to offer? I said, I don't know, maybe I'm gonna fucking suck but I gotta give this a shot. [1:45:01] And it ultimately got to a place where I said, either you're going to help train me, I'm asking you to help train me, or I'll go to somebody else. And at that time, Brett Hart and that whole family had his dungeon up in Calgary. I said, maybe I'll go to Calgary. He agreed to train me, but I realized he didn't want to see that happen because he felt like, hey, look around. Like I was one of the successful ones in wrestling, but I got a little fucking apartment that I can't even afford to pay 500 bucks a month. I don't want this for you. We got into a huge fight. He eventually trained me. A call a guy after three months of training, call a guy named Pat Patterson, who was Vince McMahon's right hand man, very brilliant mind in the world of pro wrestling, first openly gay wrestler, tough motherfucker. I call him up, because my parents knew him, and I said, hey Pat, this is Duane Johnson. Who? Duane Johnson. Rocky Johnson's son. Oh yeah, what do you want? And I'm gonna, I'm training to get in the business. [1:46:03] What fucking business? Result, it's a recurring thing. Everybody says, what fucking business? The wrestling business. Why the fuck do you want to do that? You're just feeling like you're just getting bombed, right? Left and right by these OGs. So I said, I'd love for you to come down and just watch me train. And if I got anything to offer, just let me know. And if I don't just let me know, that's all I want. He agreed, he came down, watch me train. He said to me, as we're training, he goes, can you work as a heel? Which is, as you know, bad guy in wrestling partners. I should, sure, I'd love to. Start the match, I work as a heel, more aggressive, dirty, cheating stuff, right? He goes, okay, you're done, done. And I trained in a boxing ring. And as you know, boxing is a fucking hard. It's like this. It's getting suplexed on a fucking table. So really hurt. That's how he came up and wrestling. He's smoking a cigarette. I said, what do you think? Do I have anything? [1:47:00] He goes, yeah, you just keep working. Take care of yourself and leave. And I was like, did I just fuck, because he had a lot of power. He was like the vice president of WWE. I said, okay, thank you so much for coming out. And I said, just, just keep working. He goes, just keep working. Kind of blew me off, kept smoking a cigarette and walked off. And I was like, man, I think I really fuck things up or maybe I'll take his word for face value take it for gospel. I'll just keep working Little I knew he went home and he called Vince McMahon He said you got to see this fucking kid And then said who right Rocky Johnson son he goes all right, let me see him bring him out this Monday on raw No, I'll throw him out in a match before the show starts. Whoa. Corpus Christi, 15,000 people. Whoa. Dude. This is your first match. First match. Oh my god. So Vince says to Pat, okay, great. How long has he been working? He goes, he hasn't worked. [1:48:01] He goes, what do you mean? He's never had a match. He's like, he's never had a fucking match. I'm not bringing him out. He's never had a match. He's gonna stink up the ring. Pat said, just trust me. So they fly me out, Corpus Christi. 14,000 people I got and I had my first match and I'm 24 years old. I had my first match. Cause usually when you break in you know you're wrestling at a farm or there's a barn ten people 14,000 people I wrestled the Brooklyn brawler This is the famous in the world of wrestling and I get backstage Everyone's hey great job great job. Keep working. I see Vince McMahon. He says you did a good job But be prepared. I'm gonna give you a little bit more tomorrow. I went Great, okay. I see gonna give you a little bit more tomorrow. I went great, okay? I see Pat Patterson smoking a cigarette Come here for a second. I said yeah, he goes Your punches I went yeah They fucking suck [1:49:01] Is riding me riding me riding me so that was my first match, first experience, man. Wow. And then he, by the way, he said, if you have a shred of opportunity to make it in this business, you're gonna have to learn a lot of shit, but learn how to throw a great punch. What was wrong with the way you're throwing a punch? It just didn't look real. And the best of punches, like you gotta to be snug you lay them in a little bit. But you pull it back a little. You pull it, well you can pull it back a little but I found the best punches is you follow through but learn how to just tap. And then you know that's that's where you learn that kind of timing. You know how some guys they hit a rope or piece of string or something like that. Right. So yeah, so I worked on the punches too as well. That was crazy. That's insane. Yeah. What was the next match? Next match was a following night. Whoa. So you were right into it. Right into it. What's the second match like versus the first? You've already done it. You already been in front of 15,000 people. I'm feeling pretty good because as you know, and like people out there know if you prepare then all right, I must prepare it as I possibly can be right [1:50:07] So we'll just see how it goes So the second night I had a little bit of confidence But the guy they put me in there with was a guy named Chris Candido credible wrestler Does a lot of acrobatics stuff flying stuff? Yeah, me he called the match. I mean flying all around and doing all the stuff So it was it was it was a great experience After that, I met with Vince. He said, you're not ready for WWE, you're not ready for the big time. I'm going to send you down to Tennessee and that's where you're going to learn how to work. And it was just a smaller company, minor leagues. He said, but you're going to go down there, you learn how to cut your teeth down there, learn how to work, learn the business. And when you're ready, if you're ready, I'll bring you up. I was like, thank you very much. I appreciate it. And I went to work. So due to some leaving Vince McMahon's office, he says, Hey, by the way, I turn around. He goes, don't go down there and cut your forehead up with razor blades. I went, okay, got it. Because in wrestling, there [1:51:07] was a time where that's how you blend with razor blades. And he goes, I want to protect this. I do too. All right. Then years later, I'm like, I'm doing this up at WWE, but that would be a good feeling though. It had some real real hope in you. That is my second match. Right there. Look at that. It's insane. Wow. Is it seems to real? This is so surreal, man. Look at this. By the way, you see people still coming in, right? Yeah. Empty seats. That was it, man. First match. Marries. First match. Wow. That's crazy. Incredible. And then to go from there to where you became, how did it be surreal? [1:52:03] to where you became, how'd it be surreal? It was the most surreal thing because finally when they called me up to WWE, it was November. Vince brings me in and I go to a big pay-per-view called Survivor Series. All the wrestling fans out now know what this pay-per-view is. It's November 1996. There it is. Here it is. I can't believe it. Dude, look at that fucking haircut. There it is. Dude, look at that fucking haircut. Look at you. Ray Charles cut my hair back there. I was like, wow. So this is Madison Square Garden. 22,000 people. This is this is there's Jerry the King Law or the guy's a legend. This is a little bit of watches. There we go. There's a double leap frog here. Wow. Drop kick is coming up. Little punch. [1:53:00] So even if you see that punch, it was a little shitty punch anyway. But this is, so that was Madison Square Garden just sold out. Vince McMahon tells me an hour before I go out. You're gonna win the whole thing tonight. Whoa. What do you mean he goes, you're gonna win the whole thing? I'm throwing you right into the fire. I'll never forget this. He said you're either gonna fucking sink or you're gonna swim. It's New York City. It's up to you And I went okay great. I talked to all the guys and by the way in order to Make someone like that you need the other guys Right to say because I always like to say You never beat anybody right and wrestling truly beat you the guy say you never beat anybody. Right. And wrestling truly beat you. The guy allows you to beat him. Right. So all those guys in that ring right now, forever be grateful for them because they allowed that to happen. So I win the match. New stars born in the world of pro wrestling. It's rookie kid Rocky Mavia. [1:54:01] This is the one, two, three here. That wrestler's gold dust comes from a very famous family that was amazing He was amazing man No gold dust thing was crazy. So can you pause that for a second? Go back to my hair. So I didn't know look at this pause I Didn't know that I went to the hair person who was backstage I said can you give me something that's gonna make my hair like nice and like go down and she gave me like a thing that made it frizzy? Uh-huh. And then that's what you get by the way, just a fucked up haircut on your debut. Like luckily the people of New York was like this, we kind of like this kid. His haircut is really fucked up. Uh-huh. You think kid kiddin' play? Like the bigger version of Kidin' Play. Look at this. Look at that thing. Fuck. That's a solid foot above your head. That's awful. Right, this time the referee's like, get the fuck out of the ring. Come on, we gotta show. So you... So, well, so, what, let's go ahead. No, no, go ahead. Well, I was gonna say say so we win this match and things are ascending. The dream is coming true [1:55:06] like this is it man. I finally feel like this is what I was born to do and man it's feeling so fucking good. The guys in the locker room, everybody taking me out of their wing, there's some political bullshit that you always want to stay away from. I've always stayed away from that but for the most part everybody supportive. Cause even though it's a cutthroat business backstage, you still need some guys who are gonna show you the way. So I wound up becoming the youngest intercontinental champion, beating Triple H, or he let me beat him. Right. Everything was doing this. So at that time, this interesting thing was happening in the world of pro wrestling, where it was fans were cheering the heels. And anti-authority, fuck the boss, led by Stone Cold Steve Austin. Give everybody the bird, fuck Vince McMahon, fans were loving that gravitating towards this. [1:56:02] That guy tries to pick up drug, drinks a beer, tells everybody go fuck themselves. Now in wrestling world, that's supposed to be a bad guy, but now he's becoming a hero. Then you have this kid who's 25, who's coming out. Here we go. You know, the old school and Vince and the company always told me, hey, you can't smile enough. I was like, what do you mean? You go out, you smile. I want to make sure everybody knows you're grateful, gratitude of attitude. And I said, no, okay. And it started not to feel good to me because I said, well, so you know, these nights I'm getting beat. But I still want you to smile anyway. So you have this thing happening over here, the rise of the attitude era, and then you have this kid who's just smiling away Everything is good even when he fucking loses and it didn't they'd never felt right to me here and then Fans started to turn booing every night Got to a point dude going into my first WrestleMania Chicago. I'll never forget it [1:57:05] Every night they were chanting Rocky socks. And I had to smile through it. The bosses were telling me, now you got to smile. Now keep smiling, ignore it. Ignore it, just ignore it. If you're paying your hard earned money as a fan, even though this world is fiction and it's not real, the best of the wrestlers always came from a real place. So I was smiling away, I get to WrestleMania, Chicago, sold out, Stone Cold Sea Vos and it's on top in the main event. I'm defending my title. WrestleMania, 20,000 people start chanting rocky socks. So imagine that you're a kid 25 years old. You got the belt on you. Pressure you're in there. And the guy who I was wrestling the Sultan who was actually my cousin Rikishi from my son on side. He had me in a rear chin lock. Whole arenas chanting Rocky socks. [1:58:05] He's whispering to me, don't listen to him. Don't listen to him. Now I'm like, fuck, this is my life now. Right. We get out of the match. I go backstage. Vince looks at me and Pat and just says, I don't know what we did wrong. But we have to make a change. I know what that means. Two days later, I dropped the belt to somebody else. Now I'm getting beat every night, getting beat every night, and then I get hurt. I tear my PCL, wrestling guy named Mick Foley. Now by this time it's May, Vince says, take time off, heal your knee. I don't know what we did wrong or where we went wrong, but we got to really figure things out with you. I don't know if this is going to work out. Oh, yeah, man. And this is 1997, summer of 97. Now you'll appreciate this part. [1:59:03] In 97 during that time, while we're still going out to LA and working out, we were crossing all the MMA guys. Pride just opened up in Japan. So I was seeing all these MMA guys going over to Pride. You remember that time, right? I think you might have been with UFC at that time, right? Yeah. And at that time, I was making $150,000 wrestling $235 days a year. Do the math of that. How much you're making per match. We start hearing, hey, these guys over in pride are making to 50, 350, 500. And I thought then, well, fuck, I don't think I'm gonna make it in WWE. People are booing me out of the arenas. I can't be myself. They're telling me to fucking smile. I don't wanna fucking smile. It's not who I am. I start talking to Ken Shamrock at that time who's wrestling with us. I run into Mark Kerr. I start talking to him. He took me a little bit about pride [2:00:00] and I have this idea of my head. Well, maybe I should maybe I should train to MMA and go to pride and make money real money. And then I don't have to smile. I'm sure I'm going to get fucked up. Oh, there. Knock one of my lungs loose. But maybe I could do something like that. Find the right coach and train. So I had this whole thing in my head. I was talking to my wife at that time. I said I think that's the way to go Because those guys are paying real money and these fans are booing me over here for 150 grand I Get a call from Vince and he says how's your knee? I said it's healing up. I don't tell him about this idea after I've talked to Shamrock and Kerr and all these guys He goes I want to try and bring you back one, see how it works out. I want to turn you heel. And we have a faction called the Nation of Domination, who DC loves by the way. It was his famous, his favorite, Daniel. The Black militant group. [2:01:01] He goes, I want to have you join them and we'll see how it works out. I come in, I said, okay, but I still got this MMA thought in my head. Again, I just want to make money and I want to be myself. Right. When I get to the arena that night, I'm going to join the nation. I went to Vince and at that time there was only just two hours of live show Monday Night Raw. Now there's six hours of show, two different programs. So I said to Vince, hey tonight, when I go out there, could I just have two minutes on the microphone? And he's like, I don't know, he goes it's live, you know, all our times accounted for, allocated. I said, I just need two minutes, he goes, why? I said, I just want to be real and just tell the fans how I feel. And I feel like I need to recalibrate things here. He said, fine. A minute, you got. Great. Get on the microphone. Now I'm walking out. They're booing me. Rocky sucks. But now the heel with this heel group. I grab the microphone and I say something like, listen, I'm a lot of things, but sucks isn't one of them. [2:02:01] And joining the nation isn't a white thing. It's not a black thing it's it's a meat kick in your ass thing and I'm gonna earn this respect one way or the other dude that was the most freeing thing for me in my career it was like you know how you have these defining moments even in that one little moment I was just fucking ripping all this open hmm say here I am you now you can fucking boom me but now watch how I respond You're real nine of smile anymore. I don't fuck this smiling. I'll smile when I want to smile right right right now watch watch watch how I can respond what watch my words now watch my actions Dude the fans felt something that night within A month I became the hottest heel in WWE. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. That's the gratitude I get from your pieces of crap for all my blood, my sweat, and my tears. You that baby face. Look at that dude. This isn't about the color of my skin. [2:03:01] This is about respect. This is about respect. I became the youngest in a continental champion in WWF history. And what did it get me? In arena's across the country, I heard a chance of Rocky sucks. Well, Rocky, my beat is a lot of things, but sucks isn't one of them. You know, hey, there's not a black thing, it's not a white thing. And hey, let's talk about a racist faction. You want to talk about a group that's prejudiced? Let's talk about the DOA. The DOA epitomizes racism. Hey, you know what the hell with the DOA? I want to make one point or you jackass fans out there. Rocky my deal and the new nation of domination lives brief and dies respect and [2:04:03] We will earn respect by any means necessary. That was it. That started off. The heel journey started it off, man. And that was it. But you know what it is. I look back on that. And I feel like it's just a life lesson for all of us, which is the most powerful thing you could be is yourself. And even in that crazy world of fucking fictionalized pro wrestling that some people love, some people don't that idea of... Yeah, ripping it out, being who you are. Yeah, man. Yeah. Vince is just so interesting. He's such an interesting guy. The fact that he's driven for so long, for so long, this guy's been just fucking getting after it for so long and just lives and breathes this idea of crafting narratives and figuring out who's the good guy and who's the bad guy and how to set up a storyline and paying attention to what's happening politically, what's happening, tapping into that, and always have his finger on the pulse of what's happening. [2:05:09] You know, I can see how he tried the thing about you smiling all the time. You got a great smile, friendly, good looking guy. Why not? Have a smile. See people like it. And you know what he said? He goes, I'm gonna give you a push, but I wanna make sure people if you smile then people will know you're grateful And I was like okay, I get the the conceit of that right but there's other ways I think I can be grateful because otherwise I'm coming across as being a phony and I said to who I am So it by the way years later or even months later I mean he admitted he said I totally get it now I understand I always got to be did Japanese pro wrestling come out of American pro wrestling or was it a separate thing that evolved on its own? I think it was a separate thing that evolved on its own. Well, I think everything evolved out of American wrestling that started off originally started off in the carnivals, started off in in catch wrestling and things like that which eventually evolved to one of [2:06:05] MMA techniques. So the carnivals for people that don't know, literally they'd have traveling carnivals where someone would take on anyone in the crowd. That's right. And these were real wrestlers, real catch wrestlers who knew submissions and they would pin guys and get them in ankle cranks. Oh, yeah. And so the thing that started going sideways which required a Vince McMahon type. Wait a second we're not doing this right because these guys who were just these fucking bad asses you know they go to the carnival you know ten bucks five bucks you come in try your luck if you could beat the champion the champion beat the shit out of all of these guys but every once in a while you got a guy who came in out of the blue off the street who knew how to protect himself and hold his own might have known a holder to and might have beating the champion. And this started to happen. And before you know it, a promoter or promoters or some, whether it's the fighters, whoever it was, the wrestlers possibly. but someone was like, hold on a second, [2:07:07] we need to work this, because otherwise, we're running a risk, that's getting fucked up. Like, what did we took the show on the road? So that's how this idea of pro wrestling out of the carnival started to happen. It's really interesting because wrestling itself is one of the most dynamic and difficult amateur sports, but they never really figured out a way to take actual competitive wrestling and make it a legitimate professional sport that's watched by people, which is really insane because it's so exciting. These so many people don't play tennis, but they still enjoy watching tennis. That's right. How is it that wrestling never got to that place? And I think it's probably because of the carnival wrestling, pro wrestling became a thing that everybody kind of knew was entertainment. Yes. And it became all these characters and killer Kowalski and all these guys that were like, you know, I'm gonna rip his throat out and shit down his neck and I'm gonna... [2:08:04] Yeah. And the crowd goes nuts and to try to have just actual freestyle wrestling become a sport where you're competing for cash prizes like you would do with tennis or something else. I never made it there which doesn't make any sense to me because so many people wrestle, so many people appreciate wrestling. Wrestling is the cornerstone of MMA. He's one of the most important. I think the most important, because if a guy is a kickboxer and he does not wrestle, wrestlers are just going to take him down and beat the fuck out of him every single fight. Wrestling is the side, whether the fight stands or goes to the ground. Because once they grip you, you ain't doing shit. So you're gonna get ragged all. That's just a fact. And for whatever reason, boxing has a legitimate professional application. There's even professional karate. There's all these different things, but wrestling as a competition, an actual athletic competition. Never took traction. Professional. No, it didn't. And as you were saying, I think the cachet [2:09:03] and the entertainment value just started become more appealing. I think to people, and if you think about it back in the early 1920s and 30s and at that time, we're fucking times with tough. And people were trying to stretch the dollar. What do I want to go see? I want to go see this wrestling event. It feels like, plus those matches, they would work those matches where they're fucking hour, hour and a half. Like a long matches too as well. Crazy. But I will say one of the most important elements, which I know you'll appreciate, and a lot of MMA fighters appreciate is the, as you say, the rest of the cornerstone of MMA, but also for decades and decades and decades, and even still today, having a great base of wrestling is important. Even though there's antics and showmanship and this guy's jumping off this thing and going to the building and bringing the car in and doing all this shit, there's still the basics of wrestling is always very important because as you know, with catch wrestling, like it taught a lot of wrestling and myself included [2:10:02] because I came up old school to have real respect for the holds and to be able to get out of holds, put people in holds, know how to work them or know how to apply them where you fuck someone up if you had to. So I always appreciate that about the basics of pro wrestling. Did you ever amateur wrestle? So, dude, yes. So, especially in Pennsylvania, I got there in Alan Teth, the whole area in Pennsylvania, you know, like they're great wrestlers coming out of Pennsylvania and Ohio. But I love pro wrestling. So, I was 15 years old wrestling coach who was also the football coach was like, yeah, I want you to come out, right, for wrestling. You've come from wrestling family and like yeah great. I had this thought in my head. I don't have fucking kill this. I've already got my, I've already, my dad was working my ass out on the mats when I was five, right? And the Von Erichs were working me out when I was five, right? And so I had this base holds lockups everything. [2:11:02] And my first wrestling practice, I like fuck this is the most boring shit I've ever And I told my guys who was I was like guys I don't know Because I was just so now condition now of course. It's the hardest fucking sport out there is the hardest Hardest fucking sport. I have so much respect for it But you know what it was it was just me at 15 Dude I love the pile drivers. Right. I love the back drive. I love the big pro wrestler. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah. It's a, it would have been an interesting turn of events if you want to go and pride. Oh my god. But did you have an idea where you were going to train? I had no idea. I was just, I felt like I'm spinning here. Did you have any experiences striking? A little bit. Very little. My dad was a great amateur boxer. He'd sparred with Foreman. Wow. A few times sparred with Ali. That was a little bit more of a show. Great amateur, golden gloves in Canada. Look, he was a badass. So he was teaching me how to hit at a young age, heavy bag, speed bag, things like that. That had a little bit. And I felt like I've always been very coachable in whatever it is [2:12:11] that I did, whether it's football, wrestling, track, whatever it is. So I felt like, hey, I'm going to go into this if there's a shot at this and I could go to Pride and make money. By the way, I just, I had this thought of Pride because it felt like, oh, those guys there, they're making money, they're putting on these big shows, there's 20, 30,000 people in these shows, this looks incredible. And not only that, but then I think when you're talking to guys and they're in it and they're saying, yeah, you could do it, you could do it. Well, you know, Shamrock was very smart by the way, which I really appreciate about him and at that time we were wrestling each other every night so I got a chance to get to know him very well and work out with him and he was just like you might just stick with this first like this real shot here like you got something here stick with this and if you remember he started in pro wrestling yep and then went over when you were there in the early days of UFC yeah he was dominant in MMA in the early days he was one of the first guys to [2:13:04] figure out conditioning his his gym the lions dead. It was no Tories for being absolutely brutal with their strength and conditioning routines Yeah, they would put people through a fucking gauntlet to join that team And it was one of the most difficult teams to join it was they were like legendary sessions that they would put you through They would try to break you. Yeah. Just try and he would just try to let you know, like the worst thing you want to be in a fight is tired. And you are going to get tired as fuck training with us so that the fights get to be easy. Easy. Yeah. Wow. And they developed some amazing fighters. Yeah. So many the early days of MMA, his brother Frank is one of the very best. He was of MMA, his brother Frank, he was one of the very best, he was one of the very best complete MMA fighters. In my opinion, the first truly complete MMA fighter we saw and a guy with insane cardio. And that was one of the things about Frank is that he could just fucking go forever. And he, like when he beat Tito Ortiz, he beat Tito was much bigger than him, stronger than [2:14:01] him. And he just overwhelmed him with volume and cardio and eventually beat his ass. I remember that. He was, and that taught Tito a giant lesson. And he was in crazy shape too. Crazy, both of them. Yeah. Yeah. Franken and Ken. Yeah and Frank was fighting. I mean, he had been training for like a year and a half and he was fighting in Japan. Yeah. I mean, just insane. Insane. But insane, insane, but he was just a quick learner and just fully committed and by the time he became UFC champion, I mean, he just had an arsenal of skills. He was the first truly complete MMA fighter and people for whatever reason they forgot how good he was. But he was in my opinion the first real complete, like fully well-rounded submission artists he could knock you out. He was a dog in a fight, Yeah, just incredible conditioning built like a god. Yeah, he was the first. Let me ask you this about these guys. Say for example to take Frank Shamrock, Ken Shamrock, my love that guy Mark Kerr. I've gotten to know very well. You think these guys, I don't want to say where they ahead of their time because they're all [2:15:06] Founding fathers. Yeah, they're pioneers. Pioneers, man. How do you think those guys would fare today? Even with the insane mindset that those guys had, right? I feel like with the different kind of coaching, how they were coached back then, I feel like they would still dominate. I feel like all champions have a quality that in any era, depending upon the skill level of that area, they would rise to whatever that skill level is. What's going on today is you've got guys with one, two fights in the UFC that are elite fighters. They might have 30 amateur fights. 11, yeah, you're getting these guys that are competing now, that are first fighting the UFC. Their world class. You see how smooth and technical they are. You're like, Jesus Christ, these guys are so good. Back then that wasn't the case. So you could get away with a lot more [2:16:01] and you didn't have as high a bar to aspire to. But champions rise to the level of competition that's around them. That's right. And I think guys like Frank Shamrock or Ken Shamrock or Horace Gracie, they would rise today. They would all rise today because they're champions. This is like there's a mindset. They would just have to do things differently and they would have to like like what they would have to know every differently. And they would have to check. Like, like, kicks. And what way? They would have to know every aspect of it. Like, Hoysen, the beginning, very little striking, he would just kind of throw kicks just to try to get a clinch and get a hold of you. And his Jiu-Jitsu is so superior to everybody's that once he got you to the ground, you were fucked. But that's not good enough today. Like Like now everyone's a black belt in Giu Jitsu. Now everyone knows how to move on the ground. Now everyone knows how to defend and everyone has nasty stand up. And you have to have everything today. But Hoist would have developed that. He would have, he's a champion. There's a mindset of someone who can win one of those gigantic tournaments that he won like in the early days, fighting guys 270 pounds. [2:17:02] When he fought Dan Severin, Dan Severin was giant. The biggest triangle. Yeah. And multiple fights tonight. Multiple fights tonight. Multiple fights tonight. Yeah. Champions are champions. And the thing is, the level of competition today is so high that it's like there's more required of everyone. But I feel like champions are a very unique breed of individual. And champions would rise in any era because they would figure out what they need to do in accordance to like what's the competition and who's around them and they would rise to that occasion. That's right. That's what I think. It's a capacity that they have. Yeah, they have. And back then nobody knew, I mean Marco Huas was the first guy to show us leg kicks and we were like Jesus Christ. Look at this guy. He's just chopping at Paul Varlin's legs. Yeah Yeah, yeah, like 220 pounds and Paul Varlin's the the polar bear was huge Like 300 plus and Marco's just kicking his legs kicking his legs and eventually he collapses and we're like Oh my god, you can kick the legs. Yes, and then it became a thing [2:18:01] Yeah Yeah, but it started kicking legs and Pedro his oh comes around and he's in the most devastating leg kicker. And there was these guys that learn from what they're seeing around them. And you see that now we were talking about the calf kick. Yes. A relatively new thing in MMA, but it's devastating. And everyone does it now. And if you don't know it and you don't know how to check it, you're fucked. Yes. One or two kicks to the calf and your legs useless. And done, right? Yeah. Foot goes numb. Yeah, your leg doesn't move. You can't stand on it, right? So you're compromised. And so all your balance is on your left leg now, because your right leg's fucked. So you switch stances and you put your left leg forward. Now that gets kicked. And you're trying not to show your shit. Exactly. You're trying to keep a poker face. Let me ask you this. Do you think it ever goes back to at any point where it's different weight classes against each other? It could. Some wild organization in Russia, I'm sure, is doing that right now. There's always someone who's trying, Japan did a lot of that. They had some crazy freak shows. [2:19:00] That was the thing about Japan. They loved to put like Bob Sap, 350 pounds of solid muscle, and they put him against Minotaro, who was the champion, who was like 220 natural, you know, just but Minotaro won. It was one of those cases where you just who prevailed over a larger scary opponent. But there's a moment in that fight where Bob Sap at the beginning of the fight, pile drives Minotaro. And he fucked his neck up for years His neck was probably never the same again after that fight. Wow I played I played against Bob Sap in football. Yeah, yeah, he was a giant giant giant like a like a cartoon He didn't even look like a real person and the body. Yes, it's a 70 with abs. Yes, yeah, you would see him and you would go what like he was across the ring and pride That's what they loved they love that freak show aspect of it that Bob sap standing over there Just not even looking like a human being looking like a character in an Avengers movie Look at the size of him. This is the this is the round one. So this is Bob sap. So Minitar will shoot for a shot Bob sap picks him up [2:20:05] On his head bro On his fucking head. I mean, insane. And Minotaur has got to be an ag. He's going together. Yeah, but he got a hold of the leg this time to stop that. But I mean, it went back and forth and then Minotaur, he hits the switch. And he eventually gets on top of Bob Sap at the end of the fight and gets him in an arm bar. But it was a grueling encounter. Yes. Spent a lot of time on his back and beaten up by this enormous super powerful dude. Incredible. And then did Bob gas out like that? Yeah, Bob gased out. I mean, Bob was so big. I mean, the cardiovascular requirements of someone who's that big. I mean, Jesus Christ. Yes But also Minotauros Jiu-Jitsu is next level. Yeah, yeah. Just super next level. He was really one of the first Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belts to have an elite guard. So like when you were on top and he was on his back, you were in still dangerous waters. Yes. Because this guy was just an elite black belt in Jiu-Jitsu. [2:21:01] And for Jiu-Jitsu, when he caught him in this armbar, it was the biggest win ever. I remember me and my friends were watching this. After coming back from that, this is it. Me and my friends were watching this. And when he catches him in this armbar and he eventually gets it, we fucking jumped up and cheered. Because like fucking Jiu Jitsu. Yeah, right away. No way. He did it. He fucking did it. He was our hero. He was the jujitsu hero. Really? Yeah, Minitaro and Ogyra was the hero for sure because he represented jujitsu against the worst case scenario. A fucking super athlete. Yes. A person that didn't even look like a person. Which is dumb to only fucking head by the way. A massive guy who was battering him, but was beating him up and slamming him on the ground and he prevailed with skill. Yeah. Yeah. Like, Minotaro, that guy would be a champion today. He'd be a champion in any era. Yes. Just champions. Yes. Well, Fador, be a champion in any era. Yes. There's guys like that that are just, they're special. They're special people. Did you wish that he had his run in a hundred percent? A hundred percent. I don't know. There's a lot of different versions of the story. There's a lot of [2:22:12] characters in Russia that were connected to Fedor that wanted, they had some heavy requirements of what they wanted from the UFC and the UFC wasn't willing to give it to them. It got pretty testy. It got got got dangerous. There's some real people over there. Yeah, real dudes. Well, I feel like that's the, that's just, that's the fight business. That's really the fight business from Russia too. Yes. I mean, these are hard men and Fedor was the hardest. That motherfucker never changes expression. He was meeting people into a bloody pulp and he looked like he was sipping teeth. The same. Yes. Yes. He was a special guy that mentality. Oh my God. He was a special guy. He fought Kevin Randleman Kevin Randleman suplexed him on his neck just threw him through the air and slammed him on his neck and within moments afterwards Fador had him in an arm bar Moments afterwards, you know just a machine. He was a machine and and dystoic stoic and deceiving [2:23:02] Deceptively right because you even Kevin Randman, just the body. Oh my God. You know these guys who look like a $1,000,000. Yeah. God. And you have Fador, who's just like a fucking sloppy body. Look like you just ate a bunch of potatoes and drank beer, big ol' roll of fat, and just fucked everybody up. So here's the fight. And you a fader that does not look like the best fighter in the world when you look at his body. Unbelievable. But if you look at his movements, his movements were fucking perfect. Yes. He had such good striking too and he was so elite on the ground. And he was one of the first guys who could do everything. Ground and pound, stand up, blast you standing up. There, here's a slam. This is just the beginning. This is the beginning of the fight, but at one point in time, Fador figures out a way to get up and then Randerman suplexes him. And when he suplexed him right here, right on his neck, boom! I mean, but look, Fador just immediately rolls. Yep, ate it, he's good. And so they get into this scramble and this is back when you could throw knees to to the ground, too pride it. But look, you reversed him. So show how you reversed him, because it was fucking beautiful. [2:24:06] Watch this. So, Randerman, who is an elite wrestler, you got to imagine what kind of skill it takes to be able to reverse a guy like that. Yes. You know, a real elite college wrestler. You see that fucked up leg? Yeah. See the veins in his legs? That's when a fight with Pedro Hizo. Pedro Hizo would kick your legs so hard that all your arteries would burst. And that's what happened. And you guys would get compartments in during their leg, where their leg would fill up with blood, and they would take them like six months to recover from a Pedro Hizo fight. Wow. Yeah, Pedro Hizo was the scariest fucking leg kicker that ever fought in the sport. And look at this immediately, locks up a camora, and that's it. That's a wrap. That fader and look never changes expression Then even when he wins nothing nothing no yeehaw no fuck yeah, look at as he's getting slammed I mean right on his fucking neck man And then catch him in the Camaro I mean that was fader he would he figured out a way to win against anybody. And for a period of time, he was the greatest ever. [2:25:07] I don't know. Yes. It's you got to look at guys when they were at their best. And Fader in pride was one of the greatest of all time if not the greatest heavyweight ever. Yes. He was a monster. I always wish he had that run. I do too. You know. Him versus Brock Lesnar would have been fucking insane. It would have been fucking insane. Versus Kane Velasquez would have been fucking insane. When Kane was at the top, Kane's another one. There's an argument when Kane was at his very best, like when he beat Brock, when Kane was just destroying everybody, there's an argument that he's the greatest, but his run was less because he was so tough that he broke his body. He was just so mentally tough. He just fucking pushed so hard. In terms of training. Yeah, tours, knees, his shoulders, back, everything. Everything just started giving out. And then he got to a certain point in his life where he just like, his body just didn't perform anymore. [2:26:01] Yeah. And that was it. I mean, he had multiple surgeries. He had a bunch of things wrong with him. And he just couldn't train like he used to be able to train anymore. And that was it. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that with a guy like that, how much of that is coach compared to him? Ultimately, he'll make the decision to train. I believe and push himself. But at what point you think coach is stepping in and say, It's hard to say because Kane is another one that was so stoic and he would never complain. And also the training session. You wouldn't know that he's hurt. Yeah, and the training session, I mean him and DC were just going to war all the time. And AKA was just this talent filled shark tank of a bunch of assassins just beating the fuck out of each other and just all iron sharpens iron. You're going to get banged up. You're going to get banged up in training. You're going to get banged up in these fights against guys like, you know, these fucking huge super athlete fighters. You're going to get banged up. And but in that time when he like when he beat Minotaro, Jesus Christ, this is this is like when you could see the levels of competition as they pull up [2:27:08] came Velasquez versus Minotaur. Because in my opinion, this is prime came Velasquez when he just seemed unstoppable. Because he was a heavyweight, but he had the cardio of a welterweight. Yeah. And he had speed and precision and he never was out of position. Everything he threw, he just threw precise and perfect and technical and he was so fucking game. And when you watch, look at these leg kicks, I mean, he was so fucking smooth. Yeah. Everything he did was precise, like the way he's throwing these combinations and head kicks and his defenses on point, Kane was a monster in his time. And like in this time, like this came Velasquez, I put this came Velasquez against anybody that's ever lived. Yeah. And I would love to see it. Yeah. He was so fucking good. He was so good. Yeah. And then he lost the junior dos Santos, but what a lot of people don't know is that was like the first fight on Fox. [2:28:01] It was like this big big big fight. I remember that and Cain tore his knee before that fight his knee was fucked up Oh, look at this look at that combination boom boom boom boom boom that's Cain that was Cain at his best That's the fucking that's the knee Cain. He was a monster answer Everybody's terrified of that guy. Yeah, you never got tired. They call him cardio Cain Never got tired. Yeah, never got tired. And he could just go. I remember that Arizona. I want to say, Arizona State, or he came out of. Yeah. Arizona State, and then went to A.K.A. to begin his MMA career and just was a monster. Yeah. And was like nothing anybody had ever seen. You guys would get this thousand yard stare in their eyes when they'd be in like the second round with him, they just, they couldn't believe they had four more rounds to go. This is fucking insane. Yes. And that guy was not breathing heavy. Yes. No, just, just, just fucking marching you down, beating your ass. Who's next big heavyweight star? Tom Haspinal, the guy who just won the interim title. [2:29:00] He's phenomenal. And he is again, the next, the next advancement of the evolution of the sport Also well because he can do everything that guy's got elite Jiu Jitsu He's got elite takedowns. Yeah striking his outstanding. I mean he knocked out Sergei who is the scariest fucking striker in all of MMA Yeah And he knocked him out in the first round and in the way he did it was just picture perfect And he did it with a fucked up back. He fucked his back up and wasn't able to train for like, like he fucked his back up in one of the sessions when he was, because he only got the fight call two weeks before the end. I was just gonna say, right? Like it's just, he didn't even train. He didn't even train. He couldn't train. He couldn't train. So he just went out there and fought. He just said, let me let my back heal up. I'm fit enough. I'm in shape enough. I'll do whatever I can do in training, but he couldn't wrestle. He couldn't, you know, couldn't do much sparring. His back was fucked up. So he had to kind of let it heal as much as it could in like 10 days and then go out and fight Look at whoever, yeah. That's what can crazy. Did you call that? Yeah. [2:30:05] I knew you called it, but did you call? Did you do do do do do do? Oh, I had no idea. I had no idea. Both of those main events, I had no idea. It was like, you couldn't, Sergey could connect on anybody and put them to sleep. You just knocked out Derek Lewis in one round and knocked out Tyne to Evozl and run round. So you watch Sergei and you go, I don't know. You watch Aspenal. I knew Aspenal was going to have a speed advantage because he's faster than any heavyweight. And that's something that his coach drilled into him when he was young. Speed. Be fast. You've got to be fast. That's what's going to separate you from everybody else. Speed kills. Speed. And he's a giant dude, 260 plus pounds, but he moves like a fast young guy, like a light guy. And so that was, that's what's, and he's also just so well rounded. And he's just beginning. Yeah. I mean, that was really the first big test of his career. He had fought some good guys up until that fight. That is the first guy where you were like, boy, every fight before that, Aspenal was a heavy favorite in my eyes. [2:31:01] Yeah. And then that fight, I was like, woo, I don't fucking know. I don't know what's gonna happen here. So for him to do that, what he did, and to perform that way under those situations, and that circumstance where you're back as fuck, and you can't really train. Incredibly impressive. That's incredible, man. But I want to go on a back. That's what I want. That's the champion. I mean dude that's the champion fuck and that guy Relinquishes crown and what he did with Tyson Fury is Probably one of the greatest performances in combat sports history ever ever yes ever Yeah, that guy go over there with no one gave many chance Terrence Crawford was sitting across where where you are right now and he's like zero chance He's gonna get knocked out zero chance And then when he dropped Tyson Fury in the third round and then was battering him in the eighth. And then at the 10th round at the end of the fight, you're like, I don't know what's gonna happen. I don't know who won. And one judge saw it for him and one judge saw it for, and the other two judges saw it for Fury. But it was that close. It was that close where you and a lot of people are saying that this puts Tyson Furies [2:32:05] argument of being one of the greatest of all time in jeopardy because now people are saying, hey man, you got dropped and brought to a questionable decision by a guy with zero boxing matches. Yeah. Which is crazy. Yeah. But that's the kind of freak that Francis is. Francis is, man. He's a freak. He's the freak of all freaks. If you're, and you've seen Francis up close, yeah, that's the thing. So you know the kind of freaky is, if you're him and if you're his people, what's his next move? Get as much money as you can. Of course. This is what I think they should do. Put him in with a heavyweight boxer that he could beat that has a good record. Like someone who's in the argument of like a top 10 and if Francis knocks that guy out then if they can try it, Tyson Fury into a rematch that would be fucking bananas and I think Saudi Arabia has enough money to actually pull it out. I think so too. I think so too. They might be able to fucking [2:33:02] take Tyson in with some just fucking life-changing generational money. So here's the thing about Tyson and I love him. I love that guy too. There's two train of thoughts here. Well, I don't actually need to fight him again. Right. There's that train of thought. But then I wonder if it goes back to the champion mentality that you talked about is as a champion, I need to fight that guy. It may be that. Do you know what I mean? Certainly a champion. And he's certainly one of the greatest of all time. And I think he's certainly underestimated Francis. Yeah. And I don't know how he trained for Francis. He said he trained his heart as any fight ever, which is possible because he always looks that way. He always like like Fedor. He has like this very disarming body and he jokes around about it. Yeah, that's fucking belly. He's a character. I love the guy to death. Yeah. I think if he knows now what he's up against and he just boxes, just boxes. And with with a real understanding of the consequences of making him [2:34:00] steak, I think it's probably a different fight. If he doesn't engage and just use that beautiful jab and movement and stays away from him and just does what he does when he's at his very best. And one of the things you see from Tyson Fury is when he does have a rematch, he performs so much better. Like the Deonte Wilders, for example, first fight down to the wire gets dropped in the last round. It's a draw. Second fight dominates. Third fight dominates. And was put through adversity. Dropped. I mean, I think drop got dropped four times over the course of their three fights. Yes. By the heart is fucking one punch knockout artist. Yeah, ever man. Deontay's got lightning in his hands. He just, just electrocute speech. Easy man. Deontayes, he's the greatest knockout artist ever. If you look at his career, it's like mostly knockouts. That's it, right? Yeah. And also too, I feel like tall. So as your tall, your muscles getting elongated as you know. And then it becomes deceptive. Mm-hmm. What's a leverage thing too? [2:35:00] Yes. Because he's got broad shoulders and insane speed. So when he drops that hand on you, it's just, when he turns it over at the end with all that length and torque and leverage, he's like nobody, like nobody. He just starches people. I always go to the Lewis Ortiz fight. When he cracked him in the head and the Ortiz, it's like, what the fuck? He hit him on the forehead. Hit him on the forehead and just shut the lights out. It's unbelievable. Yeah, Deonte But Terry Atlas calls it the Teddy Atlas calls it the eraser. He's like any mistakes that he has He just a racist with one shot and it's true like you can you can win every round with Deonte and you just zig when you should Azagged and blah, and he almost did it to Tyson Fury. I was gonna say he did almost did any other man It might have been the end, but Tyson is just so game He's just such a fucking warrior. He figured out a way to get up and hold and he got dropped again Yeah, and then wound up stopping him after that That's right. Yeah, and in an amazing glorious finish to the fight that cemented him as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time of all time [2:36:04] I think Really to get it back to really get that cemented him as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. Of all time. I think really to get it back, to really get that reputation back, he should fight Francis. I really think he should. But he probably wants to fight Usic first, unify the title. And then if they come to him with just gigantic banana money, just Kuku for Coco Puffs, like what? How much? $200 million like something up yeah fucking crazy like that yes he might just go all right and then would you know the resources are there for that oh yeah they got they got the fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck all of your money fuck everyone money yeah fuck the planet money. Dude. And I like that they're putting together that fight. I like that they put together that fight. And I like that they're putting together a bunch of other fights. They're trying to do a lot of crazy shit over there. I love it. Good for that money out there. Absolutely, man. I love it for the athletes because they're going to get paid. Love it for the athletes. I think with Tyson, it just feels like, just in here, it's a fight that I need just in terms of as champion, [2:37:08] but mentality, the champion that's in here, the mana, I need to do that again. Well, right now it's gotta be in his head. I mean, he's a sensitive guy. I'm sure he's responded to all the criticisms, probably eating him up, probably drives him nuts. And I bet you'll see an entirely different Tyson fear in this next fight. them up, probably drives them nuts. And I bet you'll see an entirely different Tyson fear in this next fight. In this next fight, you will see a focus, a fucking assassin. Yes. But he's fighting the craftiest heavyweight, maybe of all time. Yeah. Usic is so slick. He is, I mean, he's the guy who's trained by the same guy that Loma Chanco was trained by. So he's got just unbelievable movement. His angles the way he boxes his fucking faints and movement total next level. But it's quite a bit smaller. I mean, he's really, it was a cruiser weight and then went up to heavy weight. So there's money in that fight [2:38:00] and I would hope that the winner of that fight then fights Francis. Whether Ousik would want to fight Francis, who knows? But if Ousik wins, if he beats Tyson Fury, that's pretty incredible. That's the date for that fight. February 17th and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia going crazy. There you go. That's a very, very interesting fight. And although Ousik is smaller, man, that fucking guy is so skilled. Yeah. Those Anthony Joshua fights were insane. Is sane. By the way Tyson is like six nine. Yeah. And it was like is not that well. It's where it shoes. And Tyson is not. Okay. Tyson is right after the fight and they're standing there. Okay. Okay. So Tyson's quite a few. But it's also his arms are longer. Just the reach and distance is such an advantage because you could hit a guy where he can't hit you. But we were talking about Mike Tyson earlier that Mike Tyson made his height in advantage because he would come in and Bob and we even you'd be like, oh geez, where's his coming from? This fucking tornado coming at you with punches that just moved way faster than any of it. [2:39:02] I was going to say any other heavyweight with that kind of speed, quickness. Yeah. Sure. I don't know. I'm asking. Nobody, right? He's the fastest of all time. I feel like he's the fastest of all time. The only, you can go to Ali with his hands. Ali had hand speed. See Ali, there's Ali before they forced him into retirement because he wouldn't fight in Vietnam. That I'll leave. If you go to like the I'll leave that fought Cleveland big cat Williams, that I'll leave is one of the greatest of all time. I mean, the greatest fucking heavyweight in terms of movement and he could move like Sugar Ray Robinson, but he was a heavyweight tall and switching stances and popping you with a jab and you couldn't touch him. And he's standing right in front of you with his hands down. That Ali was a different Ali, but then when they made him take three years off, Ali really didn't train for those three years. He didn't do anything. So when he came back against Jerry Quarry all those years later, he physically he was like soft. He didn't look the same like pull up Ali versus Cleveland big cat Williams. So this is Ali Ali. [2:40:05] And this is Ali when there was never a heavyweight like him before. There's no one like him and no one knew what to do. And Cleveland Big Cat Williams was a fucking killer. He was a bad mother fucker. Like look how powerful he was. Serious knockout artists. And Ali would just stand right in front of him and just start tuning him up. And he just starts popping him with the jab hooks and Cleveland was just trying his best to close the distance What's happening is a freezing? It's a video breaking down the whole fight. Oh I see that it's not justified So it's just doing stop motion while someone's explaining that look Jammed to the body and then hook and he's nowhere to be found. Catches him in the hook coming in and then immediately off the rope. Yeah. You just couldn't catch him. He was something special man. And then eventually he starts tuning and Cleveland up and and drops him a couple of times. This is the end. This is the end. And then he stands over in his hands. I look at. Big, big, and then the right hand. [2:41:05] Bam. I mean, come on, man. Nobody moved like you. No, on, dude. But Tyson, could you put up a picture? Duane Johnson, Muhammad Ali. I got to show you this picture, dude. Oh, yeah. Why did you meet Muhammad Ali when I was a kid? Oh, wow. New Zealand. When I told you my dad was sparring with him. So here's a picture of me sitting on his lap. Do you remember what year this is? It would have been 77. Look at that. Wow. That cool, man. Ali and some little girl. But that's me. So dude, how about this? Wow. So when I started the nation that turned, the heel, rock, right, that you saw earlier. Not a white thing, not a black thing, you know, it's me, it's a respect thing. I started calling myself the People's Champion just to piss people off. Like I'm your champion, I'm the People's Champion, and the Rock is the People's Champion, blah, blah. And we were wrestling down in Louisville, Kentucky, And Ali's family came to watch. And his wife was there. [2:42:06] Family is a big group. Afterwards, they were waiting to say, hello. Now, again, I'm going out there. I'm grabbing the microphone. And the people's champ says, I'm just laying it all in. So when I come back, I say, hello to the family, his wife, and I say, hey, I just want you to know, I, if you you could let Muhammad know I call myself the people's champion in a way to pay homage to him out of respect But I'm going around the country Saying it and people are shitting on me because that's what you want Right as a heel and I said I told his wife so if you could please tell him if he doesn't want me to use this Because I know what this meant to him being the people's champion I won't. And dude, she said he told me to tell you at yours. That was one message he told me to tell you tonight. I was like, what I got emotional. It was just incredible. He was such an important cultural figure. Oh my god. Because he was the first boxer, a first like professional athlete of the highest regard, who stood up and said the Vietnam war is wrong. [2:43:07] I'm not going to go fight some Vietcong. No Vietcong ever did anything to me. I'm not going over there. I'm not going over there. That's right. Not doing it. And they took away his live, and they did it for three years. And when he came back, he was a fucking hero, a cultural hero. My parents, who were hippies, made me, well, it didn't make me, but we all watched his rematch with Leon Spinks, because it was on TV. And it's like, that's how much he transcended. Boxing. The world of sports. Yes. He was an important figure for like, the beautiful qualities of human beings. That this guy had character and stood up for something. Yes. That was more important than sports and told the world. He used his platform to tell the world, I'm not going to participate in this. This is wrong. Yes. And they took away his livelihood and when he came back, he was a hero in a completely different way. Yes. [2:44:01] And when he fought Leon Spanx and he beat Leon Spanx, everybody was like, oh my God, everyone was so happy. It was like, because when Leon beat him, it was like, no, no way. Then he had the rematch and he beat Leon and it was like, oh my God, he won. Like the world was better. You felt it. You felt it. And there's a guy as you said who stood up and also, it's one thing you stand up, but it's another thing I stand up and the willingness to know I'm gonna lose it all. I can lose it all. Yeah. And he did. For that moment, you know, they tried to take it all. Also, what I thought about a lot when I was worried about brain damage. He, I thought about him a lot when I was having headaches from these sparring sessions because he was already deteriorating by then. You know, this was, you know, after he fought Larry Holmes and which was a horrible fight to watch. Well, Larry was just tan off on him and you knew that the end was there and he fought Trevor Burbick and it's like, yes. Oh, these are horrible fights to watch. This guy who just needs a payday and can't let it go and you know, and he was our hero. [2:45:00] And now you're watching the worst cliched ending to a great career, which is a great box or just getting beat up by the up and coming guys. You're sad. Really. It really ruined Larry Holmes's career because people hated Larry after that. And Larry's one of the greatest of all time. Greatest of all time, man, out of Eastern Pennsylvania. Eastern Assassin. Yeah, he's still assassin. Yeah. And it's just doing his job and just doing his job. One of the best jabs of all time. And not only were people hating him back then, but tight that Tyson was watching that fight. Remember that Tyson watched that and he knocked out his here. He beat his hero. Tyson already made that promise. I'm going to come back and I'm gonna. Well there's a famous moment where Ali comes up to Tyson before he fights Larry and he says get this motherfucker for me. Like he said it's like yeah just walks up to you and get this dude for me. Wow. And Tyson is like already just so charged up. Just alright. I mean he was like a legacy making fight and when he knocked out Larry [2:46:03] Holmes it was like everybody was like oh my god No one's ever knocked out Larry. Oh, dude. That was crazy. And he was a big heavyweight. Yeah. Yeah, it was a big heavyweight Here it is he comes up to us like this get this motherfucker Wow look at that look at the nod the like yeah and look at Tyson fire up But I'll tell you something, man. Larry was older than. He was an older fighter. You know, let it go. Larry was an older fighter back then. You know, back then this is 36, you know, in the age of no testosterone replacement. Yeah. Larry had taken some time off and, you know, came back for this fight. He was still very, very good, but Tyson was on another level. He was just the new destroyer. He was the new sonny list and he was the new Joe Lewis. He was the new Jack Dempsey. He was just something special. And combined also because of his trainer had all the videos of those guys. [2:47:06] So he watched all those guys and studied their movement. Cuss and Jim Jacobs, who was his manager. Jim Jacobs, who was a boxing historian, but Mike Tyson was just something different, man. Yeah, that's just something different. And when he starts battering Larry and beating Larry up, I mean, it was just- Even in body language, you could just tell. Yeah, I mean, it was just- Even in body language, you could just tell. Yeah, I mean, it was just seeking destroy. Yes. And Larry, any mistake that he made was met with hands that were moving far faster than any box or he'd ever faced before. But Larry came out in this round and showed that jab. This is round three. This is what you see Larry, like when Larry was like 25, he would have given anybody that he has. But then my crutches him, boom, and drop some and Larry's in like real trouble. Yes. And I remember watching this. I was like, oh my god, it's going to get him. I can't believe it's going to get him. Nobody like Larry Holmes. It was so, so fucked up. He never got his just due And then Tyson catches him right here. His right hook boom. It's like over the top of the head. Mm-hmm. [2:48:05] And then when Larry gets up, he's in real trouble. And then Tyson closes the show. Yeah. Larry said he was so hurt. It was so bad. Like right there that overhand. He's, yes. I mean, he's just fucked. You know it's coming. And when's the right hand that comes here. Boom. And then the second one. Boom. That was it. Oh man. That was the legacy making fight for Mike Tyson. That was the one where everybody's like, God damn, he might be the greatest ever. And he still might be the greatest ever. I think Tyson in his prime, damn, I him up against anybody without anybody that's ever lived. Yes in his prime I mean you can't look at Tyson with his loss and Tyson later in his career I feel like you could only keep up that those RPMs when you're fucking After it for so long before guys motivation They lose their body doesn't perform the same anymore the too many wars whatever it is [2:49:05] But if you look at the Tyson when he was storming the gates when he was in his prime they lose their body doesn't perform the same anymore, there are too many wars, whatever it is. But if you look at the Tyson, when he was storming the gates, when he was in his prime, like no one ever. And motivating too. Oh my God. I'm watching his fights and just ready to fucking run through the wall. I'm trained anything I could do. To do anything. He's just like, what? How is it possible that a person would be that proficient at something. Dude, so at about the time when I was my first amateur wrestling days in high school and all that, again, as you're 15, 16, you're looking for a way, what's my thing? And you're just thinking about money. Like I want to make money. And so I was kind of had a connection to boxing, my old man box, we watch all the fights. Tyson, Michael Spinks, I think or 88 remember that yeah and I think that Spinks was champion Spinks was he was the light heavyweight champion and then he beat Larry Holmes when the heavyweight title I think he had one version of the heavyweight title. I think it was a unification fight. Is that correct? It was a one in like 90 seconds. Yeah, right and And I remember and at that time, Mike was coming up. [2:50:06] Here it is. Yeah, this was, I think Mike said that he fought this with a venereal disease. I'm just like, I'm like, gone a rears of chips. Don't we all? But, you know, the spinks were just terrified going to this fight. You saw that in their face off too. You saw it, right? It was just an execution. I mean Tyson was just, and Michael was really, he just dropped him to the body there. Michael was really a light every way. I mean, he blew up. He put on some weight to make it up to heavyweight, but he just never had the kind of power. He was an amazing light heavyweight. But at heavyweight he just did not have the kind of power to in here comes the bomb The bat bone yeah, and like a ghost fucking punch it comes out of nowhere, right? Just a fucking ruthless right hand And that was it so dude so during this time in my life I'm thinking you know I got an idea amateur wrestling I don't I'm not driving with I like pro wrestling. My old man, this taught me in a box just a little bit. [2:51:06] That's what I should do. Well, I should box because at that time, my eyes were on Michael Spinks and I used to think at that time, even though I got a lot of respect for the game and I always think everybody's got a one punch chance, right? I was like, I know, I bet you I could work my ass off in two, three years with the right coaching and discipline and training. I could be up there. And if Michael Spinks is heavyweight champion, I got a shot. I think I got us to do it. And now again, I'm fucking 15. Right. Of course. Yeah. Oh my God. I got a shot. I see this fight and I went, there's no fucking way with Mike Tyson as champion that my dreams of boxing and making money whatever come true. Where does it go? It goes to getting executed. Like if everything goes well, you get executed. If all the training goes well and the discipline, the load work you get executed to. Yeah, yeah, there's levels. [2:52:01] Well, listen, brother, it's been awesome to sit down and talk to you and An inspirational guy you really are you're you're a guy that just You're just a workhorse man, and you're such a fucking Expression of positive energy and in all of the things you do in life, and I just appreciate you very much And I really appreciate you coming on here brother. Look. I appreciate you. Thank you and This has been years in the makin', man. Years in the makin' in was really fun to get to hang out together. No cameras, no bullshit. Oh, great. We just all got together and had a good time and work out. It was fun. It was fun. Well, I appreciate all you do. All you are.