#1641 - Matty Matheson

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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

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The Joe Rogan experience.

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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night.

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All day.

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You good?

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Yeah.

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The first thing I say is it's a buttered ass.

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Perfect.

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Buttered asshole.

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For anybody else it would be a real issue.

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It would be.

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For you, it's on brand.

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I'm on brand.

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Yeah, you're always on brand.

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I am a brand.

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Dude, speaking of on brand, you fucked this podcast up because you stepped in

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here with some Franklin's brisket.

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My God, sir.

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You made everybody, you put everybody into a sedated state.

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Franklin's brisket, by the way, may I say that was my first time eating it and

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the fucking hype is real.

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The hype is real.

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It's a beautiful thing.

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Aaron, beautiful person, beautiful brisket.

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You're welcome.

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I'm trying to slow you down.

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Slow me down.

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I'm trying to slow you down a little bit, bringing you down to my level.

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I'm a slow guy.

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I like to move.

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I'm like a sea turtle.

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You got a lot of energy, though, dude.

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I got a lot of energy packed up in here.

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I watch your show.

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I'm like a sugar packet.

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I'm a fan of your program.

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I enjoy what you do.

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Cheers.

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Hey.

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Cheers.

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To your health.

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To yours.

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That's hot.

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Little hot.

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That's fucking hot.

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This is a boiling pot of fucking coffee.

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Got me.

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Coffee, boys.

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Okay.

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So the best brisket I've ever had up until today is Terry Black's.

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Yeah.

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And Franklin's is just as good.

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There you go.

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It is not better.

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It is not better.

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It is amazing.

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I don't think there's better.

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I think we were talking about this.

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Better isn't always best.

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There's a level of barbecue that you're just like, holy fucking shit.

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Yep.

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And there's quite a few places like that.

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There's a lot of holy shits.

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There's a lot of holy shits.

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And I think there's a lot.

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Franklin's is holy shit.

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Franklin is holy shit.

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Holy shit.

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Franklin makes you want to like shit your pants, rub your feet.

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So juicy.

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Juicy.

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Crispy the barky.

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Oh my God.

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So good.

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The rendered fat within the molecules.

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And I only had two pieces, but I'm like brr.

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You're sleepy.

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Don't.

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We got to bring you back.

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You got to drink some of your.

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I'm okay.

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You're hot fucking coffee piss.

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Black rifle.

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That's a fucking shout out.

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Yeah.

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Shout out.

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That's a shout out.

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I just want to ask you a quick question.

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This is an easy question.

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Okay, Matty.

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Have you ever listened to my podcast?

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No.

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I have a podcast called Powerful Truth Angels.

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No.

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Okay.

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I have a podcast called Powerful Truth Angels.

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The name's amazing.

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It's incredible.

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Do you have a t-shirt?

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I made it.

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This is our first one we've ever made.

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I sharpied it.

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Because I was like, I'm going on like the biggest.

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This is like the, what is it?

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The Oprah of podcasts?

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Bro-pra.

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The bro-pra.

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The bro-pra.

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So I was just like, I need to wear a shirt because I have a podcast with my co-host

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Two-Tone.

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And I just wanted to quickly, I know this is a big podcast.

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It's doing well.

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It's doing pretty good.

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It's doing well.

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And so I just wanted to take this chance to just shout out your own show.

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Shout out my own show because I just thought that this is, you know, I'm trying

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to, I won't

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talk about it again.

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Do I want a picture of you with the angel wings and maybe some sort of a weapon?

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Yeah, like a crossbow, bazooka, grenade launcher, flame, laser eyes.

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And maybe some of them, the old school runner's goggles.

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Runner goggles.

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You know those, what the fuck is that guy's name?

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What, Larry?

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In Tyson?

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The Bosworth.

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The Bosworth?

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Remember he used to have those goggles from back in the day?

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Terminator goggles.

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The Terminator?

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Oh, like just like the little Oakley guys.

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Yeah, like, uh, tactical, tactical, tactical, if you were, you know, shooting

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guns.

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If I was a tactical person shooting guns in the mountain range, and I would

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have those

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to protect me because anywhere I looked, I would be protected from the sun,

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always a perfect

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pitch and temperature of color.

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Maybe like a yellow tint.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Is he the guy in Cold Steel?

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No.

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Or what was his movie?

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He was in like a biker movie, wasn't he?

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He was a famous football player who blew his shoulder out.

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Look at that guy.

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And then he became a movie star for like one movie.

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The boss.

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What a handsome bastard though, huh?

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Oh my God.

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Look at that chin.

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The structure.

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I wish my dick was as nice as that chin.

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That, those right there.

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Those goggles.

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Dice Clay.

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Those, okay.

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Dice Clay has some of those too.

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Yeah, the dice, man.

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But those kind of goggles, like you with those kind of goggles and a grenade

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launcher.

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Look at the flat top.

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A flat top's great.

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Did you ever have a flat top?

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I feel like you were a flat top guy.

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Uh, maybe.

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Like a little one, like a tight.

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Crew cut.

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I had a crew cut.

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I never got it flat though.

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No.

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Yeah.

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Never truly flat.

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No.

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It takes a lot to go all the way flat.

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Yeah, it's a weird look.

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The flat top.

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I feel like black guys can pull it off really well.

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Chris Rock had a nice flat top back in the day.

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Great guy.

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Kid and Play.

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Remember he had the real tall one?

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Play had the big one.

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That's the biggest.

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That's the one, I feel.

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That is the one.

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Super high top.

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Oh, the super high tops.

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It's so nice.

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But the, uh, you know, I'm glad you acknowledge Powerful Truth Angels.

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Are you a graffiti guy?

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Are you into graffiti?

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I enjoy it if it's consensual.

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Yes.

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I think there's a problem with graffiti.

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It's like, I have amazing art that I'm putting on your fucking building.

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Yes.

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And you're like, hey dick.

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Don't fucking spray shirt on my house.

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Yeah.

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Or my building.

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Or my alleyway.

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It's an asshole move.

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It's an asshole move.

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But sometimes they're super talented artists.

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Yes.

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So my partner, Alex, on the podcast, he's a, he's a, he's an iconic graffiti

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writer.

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Like an OG Venice.

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Oh, one of those guys.

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Yeah.

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Like an OG dude from Venice.

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And, uh, and that's all I want to say.

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Graffiti is, uh, you know, problematic because you're destroying property, but

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it is a beautiful

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art form.

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Yeah.

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If you have like an abandoned building and someone gives you the green light,

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fuck yeah.

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Go do it.

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Yeah.

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No, I think there's a lot of really dope graffiti artists.

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They make amazing stuff.

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There are.

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There are.

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Wasn't there an issue where it wasn't really graffiti.

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It was more of a mural.

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Someone had painted a mural and then someone bought the building.

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I think it was in Brooklyn.

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And they just like, fuck this.

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And they painted it over and like, everybody shit their pants.

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They're like, what the fuck?

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That was art.

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Yeah, it was art.

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That was art.

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You just took down the Picasso of the graffiti.

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But that's the question, right?

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If you buy a building and the building is covered with beautiful art, are you

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obligated to

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keep it looking exactly the same?

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Because that doesn't seem very fucking American.

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No.

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I think you can do whatever you want when you buy it.

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You can buy a building.

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Yeah.

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Just take a picture of it and send it to the guy who made the art.

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Yeah.

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Take a picture.

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NFT it.

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Treat it like it's a sandcastle.

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Good job.

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But when it rains, that's a wrap.

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Me buying the building is when the rain comes.

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I like the notepad.

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This is such a nice.

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I really am excited to be here.

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I'm excited to have you here.

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I want to say when I was a young kid and at the beginning of the UFC, my family

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were very

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into the UFC at the beginning.

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And they still are to this day, but me and my friends, it was amazing.

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My parents used to, we would watch them at the very beginning, like the Hoist

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Gracie and

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the tanks and the early shit.

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Like you'd have like a 500 pound sumo guy fighting a karate person that's 120

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pounds.

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And we used to fight.

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My parents used to, like all of our parents' friends, they would have all the

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kids and we

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would have to, after the UFC, we would all have to fight each other.

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It was like battle royal.

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And me and my two brothers and then all of our friends would always be over

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there and

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we would have to fight each other after.

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We were all ramped up.

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My parents would just be all around drinking, having a good time, watching

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their kids beat

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the shit out of each other.

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That seems very Canadian.

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Yeah, it was nice.

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You know, a 10-year-old just fighting like a 16-year-old and you're just like,

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you know,

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after watching, you know, Hoist Gracie chokehold somebody.

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I don't know.

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Do you maybe think that some of that early head trauma is responsible for your

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outrageous behavior?

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I think there's, yeah, there's just a lot of, there's a lot of damage up here.

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There's a lot of damage.

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There's a lot of shaken up.

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I'm like a bag of milk, you know, a Canadian bag.

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There's a lot of stuff inside and it wants to get out, but it moves around.

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I think I've never had as a, I've never had a black eye in my life.

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Really?

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Never.

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And I've been in a lot of fights and I've been punched in the face a million

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times.

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And for some reason, I've never had a black eye.

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That's pretty crazy.

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It is.

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And I remember one time, a New Year's Eve party, I was hammered before, you

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know, this

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is early shit.

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And, and I got so drunk and I was so funny and I started, I was like, I want a

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fucking black

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eye.

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And I told everyone at the party was allowed to punch me in the face as hard as

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they could.

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And I was like, line up, line the fuck up, you losers.

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And I was like, you fucking losers.

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You fucking losers.

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You guys don't know how to punch.

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You can't punch.

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You can't punch me in the face.

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And I would like fucking fuck with them.

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And then I'd be like, punch me in the face.

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And then at the end of the night, I had all these welts all over my face.

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But nobody still got me clean in the face where I got the fucking black eye.

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Wow.

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And I don't know why I'm just going, I'm just jumping.

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Joe, we're jumping.

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I'm fine with jumping.

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We're going to jump around for a little bit.

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And I used to give my friends black eyes for their birthdays unbeknownst to

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them.

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So I would sneak up.

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If it was your birthday back in the day, I would sneak up and fucking pop you

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in the fucking

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face.

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And then you get a black eye for me for your birthday.

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This is what happens when you grow up in the woods.

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People get really bored.

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The kids beat the shit out of each other in front of the parents while they're

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drunk.

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You're asking people to punch you.

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You punch them when they're not asking for it.

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What is this?

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No, what's happening?

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Yes.

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Sparring?

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Look at that.

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It almost did a backhand.

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Look at that.

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Well, the problem is those fucking headgear.

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They can't see shit with those headgears.

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They can't see anything.

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Look at that.

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Oh, my goodness.

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Big overhand.

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It's a kick to the groin.

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Look at that.

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See, he's spinning.

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The kid's just spinning around like a top.

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Look at that.

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Like that.

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Oh.

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I think he felled out.

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Look at that.

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The spin kick and the backhand.

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Oh, fellas.

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See, these kids.

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Oh, they're going right to it.

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These kids can't.

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Oh, they're going right to it.

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They can't hurt each other.

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No.

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They're not hitting hard.

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So they should take the fucking headgear off so they can at least see what they're

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doing.

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They should.

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Because they're not hitting hard.

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They should take everything off.

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They should bare knuckle.

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You can't hit hard enough.

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My son is five and I swear he could break my nose.

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Well, the thing about hitting, like, you could poke someone in the eye.

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That could be real.

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Yes, that's bad.

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So I don't think they should take the gloves off, but they definitely should

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take the headgear

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off because those are like fucking 10 ounce gloves.

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These kids weigh 20 pounds.

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They're not going to hurt each other with those giant pillows.

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I love the running and the kicking.

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That's like me fighting it now.

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Jesus Christ.

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That's how I would fight.

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That's as good.

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Look at the guy laughing.

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Look at the dude.

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Look at the dude.

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The dude who's the traitor is laughing.

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Oh, my God.

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That's it.

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That's like.

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These kids are going to war.

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He's like, get up.

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Was he taunting on me?

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He was taunting him.

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Oh, my God.

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Get the fuck up.

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Look at that.

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Get the fuck up again.

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One more time.

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White Helmet's fucking laying work.

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Oh, White Helmet's got some moves.

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He's got some moves.

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Look at that.

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I like that spin that he does.

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Boom.

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Boom.

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He's got some talent.

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And he's shorter.

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Look at that guy.

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White Helmet's my guy.

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Wow.

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Look at it.

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That's perfect.

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It's a good time to learn because you can't hurt each other.

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And so you're accustomed to getting hit.

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Because as you get older and bigger and stronger and faster, it's scarier.

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So you're hesitant and you don't learn as well.

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No.

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You don't take in a lot when you're older.

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And you're stuck in your ways.

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And I'm slower.

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I feel like I'm slower, but I have dad strength now.

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I feel the dad strength is real with the children.

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And I have three kids now.

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And I'm just like...

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Well, if your kid's five, it's real.

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Yeah.

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They're little, tiny people.

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And you've got to grab him.

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And Mac is a thick boy.

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And I've got to grab him.

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And he's like...

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I call him a stack of pancakes.

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He's got a big butt, too.

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And I grab him.

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And I'm like, what the fuck?

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Because he gets all ramped up.

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And I've got to pick him up shaking like a bag of potatoes or something.

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Do you make him fight around drunk people?

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No.

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Not yet?

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No.

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No, I don't.

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We keep everyone...

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No, I don't.

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I hate drunk people now.

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It's just like...

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You're sober.

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I'm Sobs.

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Yeah, Sobs.

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When did you get sober?

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Joe.

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Joe, Joe, Joe.

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When did I get sober?

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That's not a great question.

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Guys like you who get sober...

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November 12th.

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Have a wonderful...

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Just this year?

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No.

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No.

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2000...

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What's like nine years ago?

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Um...

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2002?

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I knew there was a two.

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Big JR with the mathematics.

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Let's go.

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Excuse me, 12.

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Yeah, I'm like...

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Two...

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Nine years ago.

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I forget what year it is, bro.

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1997.

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I'm living in the past.

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Yeah, no.

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Like nine years ago, I had an intervention to stop the brutality that I was

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putting onto myself.

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What were you doing?

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What was your drug of choice?

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My drug of...

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Cocaine.

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I just wanted...

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I wanted everything.

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I was a garbage head.

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I would do MDMA.

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I would do shrooms.

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I would do acid.

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I would do...

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Want it all at once?

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I would...

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Yeah.

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Everything.

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Whiskey.

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A lot of whiskey.

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Make me thirsty.

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I could chug a 26er of whiskey in like two pulls.

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Really?

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Oh, yeah.

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That's not a smart thing to do, though, right?

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We could agree.

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No, no, no.

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You drink...

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The second one isn't smart at like 7 a.m.

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But the first one at like midnight, when you do like 10 shots...

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Like you would drink...

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At the end, my drink of choice.

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So my drink of choice was a pint glass.

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So a 16-ounce pint full of ice filled with vodka and three limes.

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So then I would drink those until I was feeling like swirly.

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Real swirly.

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So I'd drink like, you know, six, seven, eight of those.

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Then I'd be like, let's have a beer.

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Crack a beer.

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Then I'd drink like fucking a lot of those.

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And then I'd get into the whiskey.

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And then...

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But on the second vodka, I'd probably do a couple bumpers.

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And then I'd just start bumping.

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And then I'm bumping.

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And then I'm bagged in.

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And then I'm deep in the bag.

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You're Hunter S. Thompson.

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You were doing Hunter S. Thompson.

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I would want to not...

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I would want to feel like my bones were outside of my body.

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And I was like...

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I was like two people.

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I was like my skin and the muscles.

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And then the bones were over here.

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And I was like, buddy, let's do a bump.

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And then you're talking to your buddy.

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And it's just your bones.

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It's your skeleton.

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So I would want to do everything.

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I'd want to...

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Because I started early.

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Like I wanted...

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The first time I did...

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I started like early.

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12?

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Yeah, like grade 8 was the first time I did acid.

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Whoa.

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Which is scary.

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And my parents...

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Like...

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What is that?

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13?

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Yeah, like 12, 13.

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13.

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So like I drank...

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The first drink I ever had...

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The first alcoholic beverage I ever had was Southern Comfort.

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Jesus.

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And me and my friend Kylie got wasted in like grade 7 secretly.

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And then I started like smoking some smokes.

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Stealing, you know, from the uncle's drawers.

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Steal a pack of carton.

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A little carton of Smokey's.

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And then...

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And then, you know...

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Yeah, just worked my way up.

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Wow.

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Yeah, just work your way up.

14:20

And every day?

14:21

At the end, yeah.

14:24

So like at the...

14:25

By the end of it...

14:26

You know, like high school, party boy.

14:28

You know, like super party boy.

14:29

High school, like...

14:30

You know...

14:31

Uh...

14:32

Fun.

14:33

Fun.

14:33

My house was the hub.

14:34

My house was the hub.

14:36

My house was the open door policy in the neighborhood.

14:38

Me and my brothers were like two years apart.

14:40

So we were like the full crew.

14:42

My older brother was a psychopath.

14:43

I was a psychopath.

14:45

My little brother was a psychopath.

14:46

So we were like the Matheson brothers.

14:48

And so my house was...

14:50

And my parents are beautiful.

14:51

East Coast loving.

14:53

Food on the table kind of family.

14:55

You know?

14:56

Not like this like demonic, psycho toxic...

14:59

So they were happy to have everybody coming over.

15:01

Our place was the place.

15:02

You know, every Sunday there'd be, you know, football games on and barbecue and

15:06

cooking.

15:07

And...

15:07

But it would just be like, you know, everyone was there.

15:09

Yeah.

15:11

And, you know, smoking weed and doing shrooms and acid and all that fun stuff,

15:17

you know?

15:18

It was like the 70s.

15:19

Like, Dazed and Confused, you know?

15:20

Mm.

15:21

Mm.

15:22

Mm.

15:22

Mm.

15:22

Mm.

15:23

And then...

15:23

Dark Side of the Moon.

15:24

Nine years ago in 2002, he decided that's a wrap.

15:31

No.

15:32

No.

15:32

So, you know, the journey.

15:34

The journey is so long, you know?

15:36

Mm.

15:37

Going to college, getting into, like, chef school, doing all that stuff.

15:41

Chefs party hard.

15:42

Chefs party hard.

15:43

I learned that from partying with Bourdain.

15:45

Yeah, I bet.

15:46

He would go so hard.

15:48

Well, it's just a maintenance thing and it's like a constant thing and it's

15:51

just like...

15:52

You build it up and it's just...

15:53

It's part of the culture, too.

15:54

Well, the thing about it...

15:55

With a lot of them, right?

15:56

Valhalla.

15:57

We want you to...

15:59

We want to take care of you.

16:00

We want you to be in heaven.

16:01

We want you to...

16:03

Our idea of hospitality is that you are 100% taken care of.

16:07

We're feeding you grapes.

16:08

We're shoving meat into you.

16:10

We're shoving, you know, meat inside of you.

16:13

We're doing everything.

16:14

Drink.

16:15

Drink.

16:16

Grapes.

16:17

The fellage.

16:18

You know, whatever you need.

16:20

And I think, like, that's the...

16:23

And you get caught up.

16:25

You really get caught up because it's every day.

16:27

Where some, most people go out and have a Saturday night on Saturday night.

16:31

We have Saturday night every night.

16:34

Hmm.

16:35

So, it is one of those things where you can get lost.

16:40

You can get lost and you can get stuck into it.

16:43

You can get fucking...

16:45

You become kind of the thing, the monster a bit, you know?

16:49

And I am so obsessed with everybody having a good time.

16:55

But sometimes my idea of what a good time is wasn't really the good time, you

17:00

know?

17:00

And I was so young.

17:02

Like, when I opened my first restaurant...

17:04

I was 26 when I opened my first restaurant.

17:06

And 27 when I opened my second one.

17:09

So, when we opened up Parts and Labor, it was crazy.

17:12

Parts and Labor was a giant old warehouse.

17:15

Big, 14-person tables.

17:16

Like, a hall.

17:18

And we would...

17:21

It was insane.

17:21

People, like, food reviewers didn't know what was happening.

17:24

Because we were young.

17:25

We were cool.

17:25

We played really loud music.

17:27

And we served really good food.

17:29

And people just didn't know.

17:30

You know, it's like one of those things where you, like...

17:32

And it was in a part of town that wasn't really built up yet.

17:35

And it was just, like...

17:37

It was chaos.

17:38

And my partners were chaos.

17:41

And we all loved partying.

17:43

And we all were, like, riding this wave.

17:46

And the wave...

17:48

Sometimes you get fucking barreled.

17:50

And I think it's just, like...

17:52

But you keep going.

17:52

And you know...

17:54

And it is that pressure of making the best food that you can.

17:58

Having the best experience for those people that are coming into your

18:00

restaurant.

18:00

And at the same time...

18:03

Partying...

18:04

Partying...

18:04

Excuse me.

18:06

What's happening over there?

18:07

I'm getting, like, mucus from the coffee.

18:09

The coffee's, like, rattled my mucuses.

18:10

Was it...

18:13

Like, were you wrapped up in the party because everyone's having a good time

18:16

and you want to have a good time, too?

18:17

Yeah.

18:18

I was the last guy at the party kind of thing.

18:20

You know, where it was just, like...

18:23

After about two years at Parts and Labor...

18:26

It kind of died...

18:27

The hype died down and it was, you know...

18:29

It was just kind of one of those things where it's just, like, every day we

18:31

partied.

18:32

It wasn't, like...

18:33

And on the days off, all of our staff would party together.

18:37

And it was just, like, one of those things.

18:39

So, at 29...

18:41

I'm 39 now.

18:43

So, at 29, I had a heart attack.

18:45

Right?

18:46

So, I had a heart attack after about a three-day binge, no sleep, big fucking

18:52

work, you know, just, like, 15 years.

18:55

My whole life of being a maniac, being a psychopath, being, like, I'll do

19:00

anything on the table.

19:02

Whatever's on the table, I'll do it.

19:04

No problem.

19:05

No questions asked.

19:06

No, like, demons even.

19:08

Right.

19:08

I just want to have, like, literally, I just wanted to fucking get so fucked up.

19:14

And I didn't even know why I wanted to get so fucked up.

19:17

And then the heart attack happened.

19:20

And it was, like, a crazy kind of moment.

19:23

That was, like, a crazy thing.

19:25

Because it happened, like, in my sleep.

19:27

And I woke up.

19:28

So, it was, like, after I crashed after three days.

19:31

So, I'm at home.

19:34

And I wake up at, like, five in the morning.

19:36

And it's after, like, a Saturday night shift.

19:39

And I was, like, I'm done.

19:41

I, like, haven't slept in three days.

19:42

I'm just going to fucking bed.

19:43

See ya.

19:44

And I go home and I wake up at, like, 5, 5.30 in the morning.

19:49

And I'm a big dude.

19:51

So, I used to do this thing.

19:52

Like, if I was partying, like, really hard and I'd get, like, palpitations, I

19:55

would do this thing where I'm, like, doing, like, almost like jumping jacks.

19:59

And I would, like, cough out the palpitations that I would feel.

20:03

And I thought that was doing well.

20:04

I don't know if you do that when you're working out and you feel your heart

20:06

rate getting to where you feel like your heart's going to explode.

20:09

But I used to do this, like, jumping jack thing.

20:11

And I'd be, like, at a party just shoveling cocaine in my face.

20:13

And I was going to be, like, ha, ha, ha, ha, and, like, doing this thing.

20:19

And I was, like, what's he doing?

20:20

And I'm, like, I'm at the level now.

20:22

Now I'm at, like, the good pace.

20:23

And, like, a fucking goddamn cheetah.

20:27

And then I, you know, and then I woke up and I was, like, I think I'm going to

20:32

have a heart attack.

20:34

What was it feeling like?

20:35

Okay.

20:35

It was, like, an uncompromising vice grip on my heart.

20:41

So it was, like, this thing that was getting tighter and it wouldn't stop.

20:47

If I moved or anything and I would stand up and I was, like, stretching and I

20:51

was doing all these things.

20:52

I was just, like, this is just, it's just clenching.

20:55

And it's getting tighter and it hurts.

20:58

Like, something I've never.

20:59

And I'm, like, third degree burns, cut my tendons off, break my shit.

21:03

Like, I'm covered in tattoos.

21:04

I understand pain.

21:05

I understand levels of pain.

21:07

I understand, you know, all that kind of shit.

21:10

And I was, like, this is something I've never felt before.

21:12

And this is something that I'm, like, I know my palpitations.

21:15

I know, like, you know, coke boy fucking psycho shit.

21:17

And I'm just, like, this is not that.

21:19

This is, like, and I was, like, Trish, take me to the hospital.

21:22

And Trish is, like, okay, yeah?

21:24

It's go time?

21:25

And I'm, like, it's happening.

21:25

It's, like, we're having a kid.

21:27

I was, like, you got your drug addict boyfriend, like, overnight hospital bag?

21:31

Let's go.

21:32

Like, did she anticipate that this was eventually going to take place?

21:35

I don't know.

21:38

If you asked her, maybe.

21:39

I was so in it.

21:41

When you said, take me to the hospital.

21:43

Like, if I said to my wife, take me to the hospital.

21:45

Yeah.

21:45

She'd be, like, why?

21:46

Yeah.

21:47

I would have to explain.

21:48

Like, I think I'm having a heart attack.

21:49

Yeah.

21:50

She'd be, like, what the fuck are you talking about?

21:51

Exactly.

21:51

I wore my drug use on my sleeves.

21:55

So she was, like, this is not outside of what's possible.

21:58

Let's go.

21:59

She's, like, you stupid piece of shit.

22:01

Let's go.

22:02

Don't die.

22:03

Don't die.

22:03

We're, like, three blocks away from the hospital, though, which is lucky.

22:06

Oh, that's nice.

22:06

Shout out to St. Joe's.

22:07

So I go to the hospital, and when they take your blood, so I walk in, and they're,

22:11

like,

22:11

into the ER, and I'm, like, I think I'm going to have a heart attack.

22:14

And they're, like, what?

22:15

What's happening?

22:15

Okay, do you do this?

22:16

Do you do this?

22:17

And I'm, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's

22:19

go.

22:19

Let's go.

22:20

I'm having a heart attack here.

22:21

And they fucking, so they take your blood, your enzymes change.

22:25

And they find broken glass.

22:27

They're, like, there's broken glass.

22:28

There's elastic bands.

22:29

There's fucking tampons.

22:31

There's tampons.

22:32

They're, like, there's just a million little Ziploc bags inside of me.

22:36

You know, I'm, like, the ocean.

22:37

I'm the ocean.

22:38

There's that much plastic inside of me.

22:40

And they're, like, you had a heart attack four hours ago.

22:45

And I was, like, yeah!

22:46

And I was kind of, like, sick.

22:48

Okay, so I had a heart attack four hours ago, and I'm still alive.

22:51

So I'm good?

22:51

And they're, like, no, you're not good.

22:54

And I was, like, okay, so what do we do?

22:57

And they're, like, we're going to bring you to the ER.

22:59

And we're going to lay you down in a bed.

23:00

And you're going to calm down.

23:01

And I was, like, okay, can I call my parents?

23:03

I think I need to call my parents.

23:04

And they're, like, okay, call your parents.

23:06

And I, like, went outside, like, had a smoke.

23:09

You know, like.

23:10

Of course you did.

23:10

Yeah, like, I'm just, like, I'm going to have a fucking smoke.

23:12

Go outside in the parking lot.

23:13

I'm, like, hey, mom, dad, I don't want to stress you guys out.

23:17

But I think I had a heart attack.

23:18

The doctor says I had a heart attack four hours ago.

23:20

I'm walking around right now, so I feel pretty cool.

23:23

But I feel relief, you know?

23:27

What exactly is a heart attack?

23:29

Like, what happens?

23:30

So I had my, like, one of my valves just, like, closed up.

23:33

Like, it's a matter of literally.

23:34

Seizes.

23:34

Yeah, it's seized up.

23:35

And, yeah, just seized up.

23:40

You know what I know about heart attacks?

23:41

What do you know?

23:42

Richard Pryor explaining about his heart attack?

23:44

Yeah.

23:45

During one of his specials?

23:46

Oh, my God.

23:46

That's literally about what I know about heart attacks.

23:48

That's it.

23:49

Pryor.

23:50

Him going, you want to think about that shit when you eat that pork?

23:54

Yeah.

23:54

Remember that?

23:55

That's the thing.

23:55

I don't remember.

23:57

No.

23:58

I'm old.

23:59

I'm young.

23:59

I know Pryor.

24:00

Not that bit, though.

24:02

Yeah, well.

24:03

It's a good bit.

24:03

It's classic.

24:04

It's a classic bit.

24:05

Yeah, I'd see it.

24:06

So, what do they do when you go in for a heart attack?

24:09

Do they give you liquids in an IV form?

24:11

Yeah.

24:12

All of a sudden, I get laced up.

24:13

I get, like, laced up.

24:14

I get covered.

24:15

I get all the patches on me.

24:17

I get the IV.

24:17

I get the thing.

24:18

I'm in the hospital bed.

24:20

Things start mellowing out.

24:21

Things start clicking and really kind of settling.

24:23

My adrenaline is going down.

24:25

I start, you know, getting sad.

24:27

Start thinking about life.

24:29

I put on my headphones.

24:30

Put on explosions in the sky.

24:32

And I'm just like, it's Friday night lights in my head.

24:35

And I'm just, like, start crying.

24:37

And then, not a big crier.

24:40

I'm not a crier.

24:41

But in that moment, I didn't cry, like, when my children were born.

24:44

I didn't cry.

24:45

I feel like I'm still, there's too many broken pieces up there.

24:47

Do you have a heart attack song that brings you back to the moment when you had

24:50

a heart attack?

24:50

Maybe.

24:51

Just, like, explosions in the sky.

24:52

Just, like, Friday night lights.

24:53

The beginning of Friday night lights.

24:54

That's it?

24:55

Yeah.

24:56

If I watch Friday night lights for some reason, it, like, triggers.

24:58

And I'm just, like, it makes me just want to party, really.

25:01

It makes me, heart attacks make me think of Audioslave for some reason.

25:05

Chris Cornell, I would think, like, I Am The Highway.

25:09

You know that song?

25:10

I am the highway.

25:11

Not the golden wheel.

25:14

I am the highway.

25:15

I don't know.

25:17

I'm just expressing myself, Jamie.

25:19

I don't have any understanding.

25:21

I don't know why the fuck I think like this.

25:22

Did he have a heart attack?

25:24

How did Chris Cornell?

25:24

No, he's a suicide.

25:25

Suicide.

25:25

Yeah, it's sad.

25:26

It is sad.

25:27

The ultimate.

25:28

Yeah, super sad.

25:30

It's sad.

25:30

But the heart attack.

25:33

We're in the bed.

25:34

You're in the bed.

25:35

You're all covered in electrodes and shit.

25:37

Electrodes and shit.

25:38

Then I get up to my room.

25:40

And they're like, you have to stay in the hospital until your enzymes flip.

25:44

Your cells or whatever flip back.

25:46

Your white cells or whatever.

25:48

Yeah, it could take five to ten days.

25:50

I'm like, okay, cool, whatever.

25:52

Because in Canada, once again, shout out to Canada.

25:55

The one really cool thing, health care.

25:57

So it's just like, I'm in the hospital for, end up like seven days.

26:01

And I get a bill for $6 because I had a phone in my room.

26:07

So I had like a phone, a live whatever, a fucking old school phone.

26:11

So I had to pay for the phone line.

26:13

Wow.

26:14

Yeah.

26:14

They don't cover that.

26:15

That's pretty tight.

26:16

Yeah.

26:16

That's nice.

26:17

And so I am in the hospital, hooked up to everything.

26:21

They got to take my blood every two hours, 24 hours a day.

26:24

And I'm fucking fat, covered in tattoos.

26:27

So they have to find a vein.

26:29

Yeah.

26:29

It takes forever.

26:30

I'm getting, it's fucking, it sucks.

26:32

But I get out and, you know, I got to think about a lot of things.

26:39

You know, I got to think about what I'm going to do.

26:42

I got to think about who I am.

26:43

I got to think about, the scariest thing is like,

26:46

one of the scariest things is your identity.

26:50

My identity was, if you came to Toronto, you were going to come to Parts and

26:54

Labor and party with me.

26:55

If you were a chef, if you were like, you know, a cool celebrity, if you were

26:59

like a thing, you would come to Parts and Labor and like party.

27:01

You know, kind of thing.

27:03

And I was so fixated on this like persona, this thing that I'm like this party

27:08

boy.

27:09

And it was really scary because I was just like, am I really that, you know, or

27:13

am I really this genuine, like, am I this sweet little boy still?

27:17

Like, am I, am I this monster that I've kind of created?

27:20

How do I get back to like this place of like sanity?

27:24

How do I get back to this place of, um, just realness?

27:28

Like where I can be me, people, like the fear of people not liking you is

27:32

pretty heavy with most people.

27:34

Yeah.

27:35

You know, and all of a sudden I was just like, no one's going to like me.

27:38

No one's, it's going to affect my restaurants.

27:40

It's going to affect my business.

27:41

It's going to affect my, my, my contract with, with fucking Vice.

27:45

Because I, I, at the, my very first thing I did with Vice was a show called

27:49

Hangover Cures, where I would take a chef and get them as fucked up as possible.

27:52

Then the next day that chef would have to cook me a hangover cure.

27:55

And so it was just like, at the very beginning, I was so afraid that it was, my

28:00

whole identity was drugs, alcohol.

28:04

It was me and to separate that and to do the work and to get into fucking all

28:10

the shit was very scary.

28:12

Cause it didn't even, I didn't even get sober for two years after that.

28:16

Wow.

28:17

So, or a year after.

28:18

How long after the heart attack do you start partying again?

28:21

Three, it took about three months for me to like spruce my goose up enough to

28:25

get nuts.

28:25

And that is the turning point when I, I, where I truly believe that I turned

28:31

into like a fucking full-blooded like addict.

28:35

Cause then all of a sudden I had an out, you know, I had a safe out, you know,

28:40

I had the story, I had the love of all my friends.

28:43

We're like, Maddie, we're with you, you know, so much beautiful support from

28:48

all of my, my crew's deep.

28:49

And I was just like so much good love for my friends.

28:52

And then all of a sudden I started hiding, going to different places, different

28:56

bars, different little drug homes, I like to call them.

28:59

You know, little-

29:00

Trap house.

29:00

Yeah, little places, little, little critter, critter little homes.

29:04

Is that a trap house?

29:04

No.

29:05

No.

29:05

Trap house where you dance?

29:06

Trap house.

29:08

What happens in trap house?

29:08

Fuck chicks?

29:09

Trap it.

29:10

What happens in trap houses?

29:11

You can say it.

29:15

The drug business happens.

29:17

The business happens.

29:18

And then you go to the other house to use it usually.

29:21

Oh, cause you don't get high at the trap house.

29:23

Just business.

29:25

No, Joe.

29:27

Hey, never get high on your own supply.

29:29

Ted Crackman, shout the biggie.

29:33

The, um, you know, I think that's when I really was getting fucking crazy.

29:39

And that's when I started turning, like-

29:42

Less fun and more of an addict.

29:44

Yeah.

29:45

I got very violent.

29:46

Really?

29:47

Yeah, like I got, I got banned from our own nightclub.

29:49

I got banned from like, you know, I got walked in on and I was trying to like

29:53

rob pretty much this drug dealer.

29:55

I was like, I swung on, like I would be blackout drunk trying to fight my

29:59

friends and like being like, you can't stop.

30:02

Like, because people would try to stop me.

30:03

They would like, I would walk into a bar and like, cause I'm in the hospitality

30:07

group.

30:07

Like, you know, I'm in the crew.

30:09

So it's just imagine, imagine like being a comedian and somebody gets almost

30:13

like blacklisted, but we still love you.

30:15

But you can't show up here.

30:17

But we love you.

30:19

You can do your comedy, like by yourself out in your car, but you can't come in

30:23

here.

30:23

Right.

30:24

And I'm just like, well, I want to still go into the bar.

30:27

I go to the bar every day.

30:28

The bar is my, that's my safe place.

30:30

You know, I want, I want to go into the bar, like, let me in.

30:33

And everyone's like, you're not dying here.

30:34

You're not dying at my fucking bar.

30:36

So then I had to start going to these like deeper, darker places and push

30:40

myself.

30:41

And, and, and, and before when I used to do drugs, I never had to say, fuck it

30:47

in your head.

30:48

You know, when you're about to jump and you got to be like, fuck it, let's go.

30:51

You know?

30:52

So those moments when you often have to be like, you have to push yourself.

30:57

I was doing that with drugs where I'd be like, I know now I know that I could

31:02

die before my ego was like, you'll never die, Maddie.

31:05

You're the fucking man.

31:07

But now all of a sudden my ego is a little bit shook, but my ego still is like,

31:13

fuck you.

31:14

You're going to keep doing this.

31:15

And so I had to keep doing it and I had to keep saying, fuck you to myself.

31:20

So every time that I started doing drugs, I would be like, fuck it, let's go.

31:24

And then that was the moment when I was just like, that's when shit got dark.

31:29

And so there was like a year of that.

31:31

And then by the last time I ever drank, the last time I ever did any, like

31:38

fucking anything was, you know, nine years ago, the weekend of November,

31:45

whatever, 12th.

31:46

And my friend was visiting from England, a chef, and we were doing a big dinner

31:52

and I got so fucking drunk.

31:54

And I brought, I walked in Friday service, mid service, didn't even show up for

31:58

work, took the chef out and was just like, you know, didn't tell anybody.

32:03

I'm just like bringing my buddy around town, being a host.

32:06

And I show up and all the partners were sitting at one of the chef's tables.

32:09

So there was like in the big kitchen at parts and this warehouse, there was

32:12

like three chef tables.

32:14

So the VIPs, the homies, all the people got to sit in the chef tables and all

32:18

the partners were sitting there.

32:20

And I walked in and they're like, what's up?

32:23

You don't have to show up for work, bro.

32:24

You get to do whatever you want to do kind of thing.

32:27

Like, what the fuck?

32:28

And I was just like, what the fuck do you want?

32:32

And I was just like, and I was like, what do you want?

32:34

Your restaurant's packed.

32:35

This fucking, look at this.

32:37

And I walked out into the middle of the dining room and I was like, hey,

32:40

everybody, who the fuck is having the best time ever?

32:44

And everyone was like, wah.

32:45

And I looked at all the partners.

32:47

I was like, fuck you.

32:49

These are, this is my crew.

32:50

This is my fucking world.

32:52

That didn't go well.

32:55

Ego.

32:58

I was such a psychopathic, young psycho.

33:01

Well, those two things, booze and coke.

33:03

I mean, they are the accentuators.

33:05

I got a little pee-pee.

33:06

I got a little pee-pee.

33:07

I got to make it up somewhere, you know?

33:08

Like, it's so hard to, you know, fill the void, you know?

33:15

And I just, I found that with that.

33:17

And then, you know, the next day, one of my partners was like, hey, let's meet

33:22

for a coffee.

33:23

I want to fire you to your face.

33:25

And I was just like, okay, yeah, fire me.

33:28

You can't, like, I was just like, what are you going to do with your restaurant,

33:31

bro?

33:31

What are you going to do with all your restaurants?

33:33

I'm the face of your company.

33:35

I'm the guy.

33:36

And I showed up.

33:38

And he was like, meet me here.

33:41

I'll pick you up.

33:42

We're going to go for a coffee.

33:43

I was like, okay.

33:43

Let's meet up.

33:45

And I knew that I could manipulate and talk to him and, you know, be like, we're

33:48

cool.

33:49

You know, I won't do it again.

33:50

Addict shit.

33:51

Yeah.

33:51

Addict shit.

33:52

Yeah, just manipulate, manipulate, manipulate, manipulate.

33:55

And fucking, and he drives me and it's like, oh my God.

34:00

He pulls up to, like, my homie's house who's, like, straight edge vegan warrior.

34:05

Oh, boy.

34:05

And I'm just like, oh, perfect.

34:08

And then, like, four of my dudes come out.

34:10

And I'm just like, okay.

34:13

Let's see what you fucking losers got to say.

34:16

You know?

34:17

Let's hear what all my best friends got to say about me.

34:20

How much you love me and how much you care about me.

34:22

Let's see what you fucking, like, losers got to say.

34:25

You know, like, instantly going into, like, hating these people that are trying

34:28

to, like, help me.

34:30

And, you know, the veils that can come, when you sit down in front of your best

34:34

friends, your true inner circle, the people you can't lie to, the people that

34:40

you can't, there's no facade, there's no media, there's no nothing.

34:44

It's you and your friends.

34:45

And I sat down and I listened for, like, four hours.

34:49

And, you know, and the next day, one of the guys there goes to meetings and he's

34:55

like, we're going to a meeting.

34:58

And so the next day I walked into a meeting and, you know, the miracle happened.

35:05

A meeting?

35:07

Yeah.

35:07

What made you hit the switch?

35:10

You go from, is everybody having a good fucking time to, all right, I'm done.

35:15

Yeah, because I think the lying, within that four-year, four-hour period, that

35:20

transitional period, that was my out.

35:23

I could stop lying.

35:24

Because I was lying.

35:25

The lying is what really broke me.

35:28

About whether or not you were using.

35:30

Where I was going, where I was going, the people I was hanging out with, lying

35:33

to Trish.

35:34

Another thing, I've been with Trish for, like, 21 years.

35:37

You know, she's a fucking saint.

35:41

She's a hard-bodied Italian-Irish woman.

35:43

She's fucking, you know, three home births.

35:46

She doesn't fuck around.

35:47

Yikes.

35:47

She's fucking real deal.

35:49

Home births.

35:50

Bruh.

35:50

I'll birth a child right now.

35:51

Jamie, you got a baby in there?

35:53

Let's go.

35:54

I'll birth you.

35:55

So the fucking, I was like, why isn't Trisha here?

35:59

And she's like, she's out.

36:01

It's up to you.

36:02

She's got nothing left to say.

36:04

She's out.

36:05

It's up to you now.

36:06

And I was just like, huh.

36:08

I don't like that.

36:10

And even now, like, you know, like, I feel I can trigger that feeling of this

36:18

is real.

36:19

This is it.

36:20

This is a time where I can stop.

36:22

This is a time where I can, I don't, I can stop.

36:26

Okay?

36:27

I accept, you know, I accept that I'm, I have a chance at not ever having to

36:34

lie.

36:35

I have a chance, I don't have to do that again, you know?

36:38

And, you know, and then, and then a lot of hard work, a lot of years, a lot of

36:44

listening,

36:45

a lot of taking suggestions and doing things that other people say and

36:50

listening, you know?

36:52

A lot of suggestions were crucial.

36:54

The way I was living my life was not the way I should live my life.

36:59

The insanity, doing things repeatedly, thinking there's going to be a different

37:03

outcome.

37:03

Yeah.

37:04

Insanity.

37:05

It's just amazing that you went from fuck everybody to one meeting, and you're

37:11

like, okay.

37:12

Yeah.

37:13

And that was it.

37:14

No more drinking, no more drugs, no, no relapses.

37:17

That's it.

37:17

That's it.

37:18

That's incredible.

37:19

So you just, you hit the shift.

37:22

I hit the shift.

37:23

So you kind of knew you were going to have to get off the ride eventually.

37:26

Well, yeah, because the thing is, is I'm not, I'm not, I'm more good than bad

37:32

in the ego,

37:33

in the drink, you know?

37:35

Yes.

37:35

I'm more aware than unaware.

37:37

I'm not a fucking idiot.

37:39

Right.

37:39

I have a nice life.

37:41

I love my parents.

37:42

I love my family.

37:44

I love myself.

37:46

Yeah.

37:46

You know, I have a lot of things to live for.

37:48

And, you know, that was the thing where it was just like, am I going to be, you

37:55

know,

37:56

a loser?

37:56

Right.

37:57

Am I going to be, am I going to not have a job?

37:59

Am I not going to, like, I don't come from money.

38:01

Am I, I'm not going to be taken care of.

38:04

There's no one to take care of me.

38:06

Right.

38:06

I need to, like, figure my shit out.

38:08

That was, that was a good run.

38:10

You know?

38:12

I was, I was, I was, high school, college, fucking my entire career, everything

38:17

I wanted

38:18

to do, perfect.

38:19

I got to do everything my way, and it ended up here.

38:22

Almost dead.

38:24

Friendless.

38:25

Jobless.

38:25

Fucking, from the most popular cool dude, you know, in my head.

38:30

To an almost dead guy.

38:31

To an almost dead guy that, that, that, that nobody actually really liked

38:34

anymore, too.

38:34

Because you were so off the rails.

38:36

Because I saw, you know, I wouldn't shower.

38:38

I was a psychopath.

38:39

We're the same clothes every day.

38:40

Just like, ah, like maniac.

38:43

So it was just like, nobody wants to be around that guy.

38:45

So how did you deal with the shift in your identity?

38:48

Because, like, this is, that's an issue for a lot of people.

38:50

When they stop doing something, it's a big issue for fighters.

38:53

When fighters retire from the sport, their identity is wrapped up in fight.

38:56

That's why so many fighters make ill-advised comebacks later in their life.

39:00

Um, what did you do about your identity?

39:03

Like, how did you release this hold that you had on this idea that you're this

39:08

party animal?

39:09

And that that was why you were, that was part of who you were.

39:13

Well, I think the thing that helped me truly was make, shifting from a chef.

39:17

It was at that perfect moment, shifting from one career to another.

39:20

I was a chef.

39:22

I was a chef.

39:23

Like, I only cared about chefs.

39:25

I didn't care about TV.

39:25

Fuck you.

39:26

Fuck anybody on TV.

39:28

Bourdain's, you know, cool.

39:29

But fuck everybody.

39:31

You know, like, I was like the punk chef guy.

39:34

Right.

39:34

Where I was just like, being on TV is for kooks.

39:36

Like, oh yeah, you're going to be on fucking Food Network?

39:38

Go fuck yourself.

39:39

Right.

39:39

You fucking losers.

39:40

You sellout.

39:41

Yeah, fucking, yeah, that whole thing.

39:44

And then, and then Vice, at the exact same moment, was doing a lot of food

39:49

content.

39:50

And so was I.

39:51

And so all of a sudden, that was that thing where all of a sudden, I could

39:55

leave that chef

39:56

persona behind.

39:57

All of a sudden, I'm just in front of a camera.

40:00

And all of a sudden, the, the, the feelings I was getting wasn't from real

40:05

people.

40:06

It was actually from like, you know, comments and like being like, oh, people

40:09

fuck with

40:09

me.

40:10

I can, I can make content and people, it makes people happy.

40:13

It fucks, you know, people fuck with what I'm doing.

40:16

Yeah.

40:17

And all of a sudden, I was just like, that really helped me just be able to be

40:22

myself.

40:23

I took myself out of, I made a lot of different rules even, where I wouldn't be

40:29

in the restaurant

40:29

past 10 o'clock.

40:31

So I would never even finish service.

40:33

So service would finish at 11, but it was triggering for me for the first year.

40:37

So like, I wouldn't.

40:38

Because that's when everybody partied.

40:39

Well, at clean, like, okay, you know, we're, we're, last hour, big push.

40:44

We're going fucking down.

40:46

Let's fucking amp it up.

40:47

Big, like, finish fucking strong shit.

40:49

And then we scrubbed down.

40:50

And then as soon as we scrubbed down, everyone gets a beer.

40:52

Saturday night, I would buy whatever, cocaine for everybody, whoever wants it.

40:56

Here's cocaine, here's beers.

40:57

Let's go fucking party, boys.

40:59

You know?

41:00

And, uh, you know, all of a sudden, I didn't have a crew.

41:04

So did the other people stop partying as well?

41:07

Mm.

41:08

A lot of my, a lot of my cooks did.

41:11

There was really, there was a lot of, at the beginning, there was a lot of

41:14

solidarity.

41:15

Oh, that's cool.

41:17

And, and we, we, it was an interesting thing because also, I'm kind of that

41:21

last of this,

41:22

like, you know, bro chef shit.

41:25

Like, psychopathic dudes that, like, I'm like, I was tattooed because I was

41:28

punk, not because

41:28

I was a chef.

41:29

You know, I didn't, all of a sudden, there's, like, all these, like, cool chef

41:32

bros.

41:33

But I was, like, I was, like, a hard-bodied, like, French-trained chef.

41:36

And, fucking, you know, now everyone's running and jogging and, or running, I

41:43

don't think

41:44

people like saying jogging.

41:45

But, you know, everyone's, like, being, like, active and eating well and doing

41:49

meditation

41:50

and all this stuff.

41:52

So, I was, like, my crew was, like, a transitional time, too, right?

41:56

Within the last 10 years, within the last, you know, seven to five years was a

42:00

big transition.

42:01

And just the mentality of chefs to be, like, instead of, like, eating chocolate

42:06

bars and

42:06

smoking cigarettes and getting drunk and fucked up every day, we're going to

42:10

meditate, jog,

42:11

or run, and work out, and be peaceful.

42:14

And, like, talk about, like, different books that help us and check in on each

42:18

other.

42:19

And, all of a sudden, there was, like, this big transition with me and our team

42:23

and all

42:24

that kind of stuff, too.

42:25

Even more so now, it's a full, like, thing across our whole company about all

42:29

that kind

42:30

of stuff.

42:30

But, you know, there was, like, it was one of those things where we were just,

42:35

like, it

42:35

was kind of, like, maybe they were hiding it from me, but there was definitely,

42:37

like,

42:38

we wouldn't drink at work anymore.

42:39

You know?

42:40

Like, nobody would drink online.

42:42

Nobody...

42:44

Out of respect for you.

42:44

Yeah, like, it was, like, a thing, like, we got you, chef.

42:46

That's nice.

42:47

Yeah, like, well, it's, like, that thing where it's just, like,

42:50

you know, maybe they were doing all the drugs and partying to, like, people

42:53

please me.

42:54

You know?

42:55

Maybe they didn't want to go as hard as...

42:56

I was pushing everyone to be, like, let's fucking go.

42:59

We cook hard.

43:00

We fucking show up for work.

43:01

And we fucking party till 6 a.m.

43:03

And then we're at work by 11 a.m.

43:04

You know?

43:05

Like, that's not a sustainable anything.

43:06

No.

43:07

That's not sustainable.

43:08

And I did that every day.

43:10

You know?

43:10

Like, I did that, you know, five, six days a week for 15 years.

43:14

You know?

43:15

Like, I went to bed at...

43:17

My bedtime, like, when Trish would start blowing my phone up, was, like, 6.01.

43:22

So, like, my bed...

43:23

Like, I had to be home by 6.

43:24

Because then she would be, like, okay, now you're getting, like, crispy.

43:28

You know?

43:28

From, like, 6 a.m. to, like, 8 a.m. is when you're, like, calling the drug

43:32

dealer for the

43:32

15th time.

43:33

And you're doing, like, the crispy shit then.

43:35

So, like, my bedtime was, like, 6 a.m.

43:37

So, then I'd go home, sleep from 6 to, like, 10.30, and then go to work.

43:42

Four hours?

43:43

Yeah, bro.

43:43

Oh.

43:44

Just a fucking rhino.

43:45

That alone would give you a heart attack.

43:46

Yeah, I guess so.

43:47

Drank a lot of water, though.

43:48

Well, that's good.

43:50

But it's...

43:53

Fuck, it's shout-out to water.

43:55

Yeah, shout-out to water.

43:57

I like how that cancels things out.

43:58

I drink water.

43:59

Yay.

44:00

But, yeah, like, it is...

44:02

That's why I asked him earlier.

44:02

Do you take vitamins?

44:03

He's like, no, I drink a lot of water, though.

44:05

One booger a day.

44:06

One booger a day just to make sure the immune system...

44:09

Yeah, the immune system's rocking.

44:10

So, one booger a day.

44:11

And then, um, and then just fucking 16 liters of, uh, H2O.

44:16

Well, it's good to drink water.

44:17

I agree with that.

44:18

We can find common ground.

44:20

That's our common ground, drinking water.

44:21

Yeah, water's good for you.

44:23

I like that, Joe.

44:23

I think you need more than four hours sleep, but that's just my personal

44:25

opinion.

44:26

Well, now I go to bed at 9.30 and wake up at, like, 6.

44:28

Oh, well, that's great.

44:30

Yeah.

44:30

Oh, that's really good.

44:31

I'm, like, a 9.30, 10 o'clock latest guy.

44:33

Wow, so you're getting a solid, you know, 9-ish, 8.30?

44:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

44:37

Tuck in.

44:38

I got my sleep apnea mask.

44:39

Oh, no.

44:40

Do you have the CPAP machine?

44:42

Yeah, I got a CPAP machine, but then I don't use it half the time.

44:45

It's too gnarly.

44:46

I get up to pee, like, five times a night because I'm such a great water drinker.

44:50

Yeah.

44:50

So then, you know, yeah, putting the machine back on at, like, 4 a.m., it's not

44:56

good.

44:56

Yeah.

44:57

But I sleep good.

44:58

I sleep good.

44:59

I'm happy.

44:59

You know, Joe?

45:00

This is a heavy story, man.

45:03

It's a lot.

45:03

But I love the fact that you realized, like, when your friends were all, like,

45:07

you were like,

45:07

fuck, what the fuck are you going to say?

45:08

And then you're like, oh, I really, that is really it.

45:11

Well, it's just, like, you take the, you put so many veils on.

45:15

You lie.

45:16

You lie.

45:17

You cheat.

45:17

You fucking do everything that you need to do to get whatever you need.

45:21

Right.

45:21

Because you want it.

45:22

Because you're trying to fill a void.

45:23

I deserve it.

45:23

Because the void filling.

45:24

Yeah.

45:24

You know, I need it.

45:25

I deserve it.

45:26

Fuck the world.

45:27

Why does he have that?

45:29

I want that.

45:30

Fuck.

45:30

I'm not even going to do anything.

45:31

I'm just going to go do coke with somebody I don't know for six hours.

45:34

You know?

45:34

Like, it's just like, what is that?

45:36

And then when you're with your real friends and they're really being sweet and

45:40

they're telling

45:41

you, like, the real shit and you just take off the facade.

45:45

And you take off the facade and then eventually you're like, there you are.

45:48

There you are, Peter.

45:49

You know, Hook, the movie.

45:50

Robin Williams.

45:51

Great film.

45:51

And they're like, there you are, Peter.

45:53

But yeah, man.

45:56

People are fucking messy, man.

45:58

It's messy to be a person.

45:59

It is.

46:00

And you can get wrapped up in that kind of partying.

46:03

Yeah.

46:04

You know, especially if you're involved in something like you were involved

46:07

with where you are entertaining.

46:09

Like, that's part of what you're doing is like, you're the beast.

46:13

And then I became the jester.

46:14

Yeah.

46:14

You know?

46:15

And then you become, like, that's the thing.

46:16

It's like, the party's over and you become the fool.

46:18

Yeah.

46:19

You know?

46:19

And it's like, that's the thing.

46:22

It's like, now I just want to have a thing.

46:24

Like, I just want my life to be normal.

46:26

Yeah.

46:27

You know?

46:27

I just want to have my, I want to go to work Monday to Friday.

46:30

I want to have weekends with my family.

46:32

And that's it.

46:34

You know?

46:35

That's great because you got the best of both worlds.

46:36

Like, you had the experiences that you could talk about.

46:39

And you have these, you have the chaos in your past.

46:42

Ah.

46:42

But yet, you still are having a good time.

46:44

Best time.

46:45

Yeah.

46:46

I can't, the best time.

46:47

This is like, and that's the thing is like, my identity is now I am me.

46:53

You know?

46:54

And it's like, I finally get to just be.

46:56

Be yourself.

46:56

Be myself.

46:57

And I'm like, I'm a, I'm a weird loud mouth kind of fucking spaz.

47:01

Yeah.

47:01

And it's just like, and I, you know, I, I, I got mad ADD and I just want to

47:05

fucking like grab you.

47:07

And like, I really want to feel your muscles right now.

47:09

That's all I'm thinking about really.

47:10

I want to be like, I want to feel his traps or his biceps.

47:12

I want to just grab it and like, but that's my head.

47:15

Right.

47:15

And then I'm like talking about this vulnerable bullshit.

47:17

And I'm just like, I'm going to grab his bicep in like two more hours.

47:21

But it's just like, I think, you know, but I, I get to be me.

47:26

I get to get a DM from you being like, Hey, come on the show.

47:29

And I'm like, what world am I living in?

47:30

You know?

47:31

And I'm just like, I'm like, still my brain is like, I live on a farm in Ridgeway,

47:36

Ontario.

47:36

You know, I'm like, I'm out here with my kids.

47:40

And it's just like, I'm so disconnected actually from.

47:43

Should we say how you do it?

47:45

How you get over here?

47:46

Or should we not say that?

47:47

Yeah.

47:49

Yeah.

47:49

No, no.

47:49

Everything is cool.

47:51

No, no, no, no, no.

47:51

Everything's cool.

47:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

47:53

You can talk about it.

47:54

You want to talk about it?

47:54

Because Canada is fucked right now.

47:56

Canada's juiced.

47:58

They're so locked down.

47:59

And I don't understand why they think that's good.

48:02

I don't understand why they think that's the solution.

48:04

Yeah.

48:05

You know, I mean, we're dealing with an America in weird spots, right?

48:08

Like America has states and each state has a different approach.

48:11

And Florida's got one approach and California has another.

48:15

Opposite sides of the country.

48:16

Like literally polar opposite sides of the ideologies.

48:19

And Florida's doing fucking way better.

48:21

I was just in Florida and it's like nothing's happening.

48:24

Like maybe you'll get sick, maybe you won't.

48:27

But we're out here with no masks on, 15,000 people in a fucking arena for the

48:31

UFC fights.

48:31

It was madness.

48:32

It was crazy.

48:33

It was powerful.

48:33

It was really good.

48:34

But I'm like, hey guys, take your vitamin D, sleep, drink water.

48:38

Let's go.

48:39

Let's go.

48:40

You can't do Canada.

48:42

You can't do what you're doing where you have fucking Gestapo pulling people

48:45

over for your papers.

48:46

Why are you out?

48:46

Why are you out of the house?

48:48

They're doing a lot of-

48:48

There's a cold floating around.

48:50

Why are you out of the house?

48:51

There is.

48:52

There's a lot of, you know-

48:54

Overreaction.

48:55

There's a lot of overreaction.

48:56

There's a government, like, you know, shout out to Doug Ford.

49:00

You're a piece of shit.

49:01

You know?

49:02

He's the brother of the guy that died, the coke guy.

49:04

He was my favorite.

49:05

Dude, he was my hero.

49:06

I was like, that's the-

49:07

What was his name?

49:07

There's so many people.

49:08

Rob.

49:09

Rob Ford.

49:10

Rob Ford.

49:10

You know, rest in peace, baby.

49:12

I used to have a whole bit about him.

49:12

Dude, Rob Ford, but it's just like, that's the guy I'm like, that's the guy I

49:15

wanted to party with.

49:16

I was like, I want to party with that guy.

49:17

I want to do crack and, like, smoke crack with that guy.

49:20

Yeah.

49:20

Remember when he was coked up talking about how he was like Mike Tyson and he

49:23

knocked a motherfucker out?

49:24

Remember that?

49:25

I was like, that is such coke talk.

49:27

He didn't even have big forearms.

49:30

He couldn't knock anybody out.

49:31

He was just like a big jelly bean.

49:32

That's important.

49:33

Or is it shoulders?

49:34

What is it?

49:35

I think more shoulders.

49:36

More shoulder than forearms.

49:37

Yeah.

49:37

Tommy Hearns had big shoulders.

49:39

He didn't really have big forearms.

49:40

Well, they were forearms.

49:41

Forearms are good.

49:42

Relatively large.

49:42

I'm getting hot, Joe.

49:43

I'm getting hot.

49:44

Show that shirt, bro.

49:45

Powerful truth angels.

49:46

I made a stencil drawing one.

49:49

Pencil.

49:49

Well, I guarantee you, someone listening to this show is going to create you

49:51

some fine art

49:52

that will represent this podcast.

49:54

When did you start the podcast?

49:56

You got the ACL?

49:58

The big dog's sweating.

49:59

Well, this coffee, this, what is it?

50:01

What's it called?

50:02

Black Rifle.

50:02

Black Rifle Coffee.

50:03

Let me tell you something.

50:04

This thing is fucking.

50:06

It's legit coffee.

50:06

Shout out to.

50:07

That's making my foreskin fucking wrinkle up.

50:08

Evan Hafer and Matt Best.

50:10

Hey, God bless.

50:13

Yeah, the podcast, we started the podcast, me and Two Tone, I don't know, like

50:20

two years

50:21

ago?

50:21

How often are you doing the YouTube shows?

50:23

Okay, so the YouTube shows are great.

50:26

We're doing, I have like three different little studios now.

50:29

And I'm doing, when I get back from this trip, I'm going to start doing a

50:33

weekly, a new

50:34

cooking show.

50:35

And just a dash is like, I've only made like 24 episodes.

50:38

That's expensive.

50:39

You know, I pay all my dudes like well, and that is expensive to do just a dash.

50:44

We're trying to figure out some funding.

50:45

And what's the difference between, I don't know what the names of any of them

50:48

are.

50:48

I just find you and then I watch your videos.

50:50

That's good.

50:51

That's okay.

50:51

I love watching cooking videos.

50:53

It's weird as that sounds.

50:54

I don't like cooking television shows for the most part.

50:58

No, losers.

50:58

Other than Bourdain.

50:59

I really got into him with Bourdain and I'm like, okay, no, I don't really like

51:04

cooking

51:04

shows.

51:04

I like Bourdain.

51:05

But Bourdain, he was a human person.

51:06

He was a human person.

51:07

He's like, I don't care where you come from, what your story is, fucking tell

51:10

me.

51:10

He was, yeah.

51:13

He was people's people.

51:14

He was a very unusual dude.

51:15

I really enjoyed hanging out with him.

51:17

I can imagine.

51:17

I was so afraid of meeting him.

51:19

Me too.

51:19

I was, and I never did.

51:21

And I'm happy that I, because I was so.

51:23

You never met him?

51:24

I never met him.

51:24

And I even, anytime he came to Toronto, I would make sure that I didn't go.

51:28

Because, I don't know.

51:29

I was just, I was like, I'm going to fucking ruin it.

51:32

Yeah.

51:33

I'm going to walk up there and be like, hey, Tony, let's do a bag of, you know,

51:37

I wouldn't

51:38

have done the thing that he makes fun of.

51:39

Exactly.

51:40

Because I was too young and too fucking psycho.

51:42

And too into meeting him.

51:44

Yeah.

51:44

Yeah.

51:44

Where I was just like, I can't meet him because I'll fucking cook it.

51:47

Yeah, I was, I got super, like, starstruck when I met him.

51:52

The one of the few people that I met.

51:53

Does that happen often?

51:54

Not that often.

51:55

You're starstruck right now.

51:56

Occasionally.

51:57

A little bit.

51:58

Yeah.

51:58

Occasionally, like if I meet a rock star, like when I met Steven Tyler, I was

52:01

like, I can't

52:02

believe that's really him.

52:03

David Lee Roth weirded me out.

52:04

I was like, this is really David Lee Roth.

52:05

That's him, his face.

52:06

He looks old.

52:07

But he's so fucking cool.

52:08

He's so easy to hang with.

52:09

You know, David Lee Roth doesn't even have a phone.

52:11

Incredible.

52:12

He has a lady that is like his handler.

52:15

And you have to contact the lady.

52:17

Yeah.

52:18

And the lady will drop Dave off and she will say, let me know if there's

52:21

anything wrong

52:22

or you need to contact.

52:23

It's like a baby.

52:24

It's crazy.

52:25

Like Dave did, I don't even know if he had a wallet.

52:27

I paid for dinner.

52:28

I don't know if he had a wallet.

52:29

He just, he just.

52:30

There's no way.

52:31

Hangs.

52:31

He doesn't.

52:31

He just hangs.

52:32

And he's.

52:33

That's a good vibe though.

52:34

But he's the nicest, most easy going.

52:36

He's always laughing.

52:38

Yeah.

52:38

And I was like, cause when I was a kid, my sister's boyfriend had a Van Halen

52:43

license plate.

52:44

It was like VHN, HLN or something like that.

52:47

Like we were Van Halen fanatics in high school.

52:50

So for, you know, from running with the devil to like all of a sudden I'm

52:53

hanging out with

52:54

David Lee Roth.

52:55

Dude.

52:55

It's just, it was too strange.

52:57

There's some gods.

52:58

It's very strange.

52:58

But meeting Bourdain was an odd one.

53:00

And then becoming his friend was an odd one.

53:03

And like text each, I'd text him about stuff and ask him questions.

53:06

Like if I was going to a play, I went to Japan.

53:08

Yeah.

53:09

When I was in Japan, I was like, where are the best sushi places?

53:11

He gave me like some suggest, he would always give me like detailed suggestions

53:15

of where

53:16

to go.

53:16

And this is the spot.

53:17

Intersect him.

53:17

And go there.

53:18

And yeah.

53:19

And I ate with him a gang at times because his ex-wife was a UFC fanatic.

53:24

And so I met him at the UFC in Vegas.

53:26

Jiu-Jitsu.

53:26

She was Jiu-Jitsu too, right?

53:27

Yeah.

53:27

Yeah.

53:27

Tavia.

53:28

She's a beast.

53:29

She's really talented.

53:31

You know, just really cool.

53:32

Period.

53:33

But so she was really into the UFC and then he got really into the UFC too.

53:37

And so he started coming to some of the UFCs.

53:39

Cool.

53:39

Came to some of my comedy shows.

53:41

We hung out.

53:42

We became buddies.

53:42

I did his television show.

53:44

And then, you know.

53:46

Where'd you do his, which one?

53:47

We went pheasant hunting.

53:48

Oh, sick.

53:49

In Montana.

53:49

That's nice.

53:50

And that's when I realized how hard he goes.

53:51

Yeah.

53:52

Because we were out there in the middle of the woods camping.

53:54

And this motherfucker was just pounding.

53:56

I brought a vape pen.

53:58

We were getting blasted on weed.

54:00

And he just kept drinking, kept going.

54:02

I'm like.

54:02

You can drink it forever.

54:03

Like, that's the thing is.

54:05

I could drink forever.

54:06

Yeah.

54:06

I could drink, like, forever.

54:09

You know, just days.

54:10

Like, not stopping.

54:11

And I think it's just like, that's the thing is you just, you can't stop

54:15

because then that's

54:16

when the machine breaks down, you know?

54:17

Well, that is the thing about alcohol too, right?

54:22

You got to keep it lubed.

54:23

Well, no.

54:23

The alcohol and benzos and alcohol, the only thing that really, or one of the

54:27

rare things

54:28

really kill you if you jump off them.

54:30

That's what they say about Amy Winehouse.

54:31

Right, right.

54:32

She died from withdrawals.

54:34

Yeah, yeah.

54:34

Yeah.

54:34

Those are benzodiazepines and alcohol apparently the most common for people to

54:40

die from withdrawal.

54:42

Like, heroin apparently just makes you really sick.

54:45

It feels like shit.

54:46

Right.

54:47

But it doesn't kill you.

54:48

No, it's when you stop.

54:48

Or it doesn't always kill you.

54:50

Yeah, like, that's the thing.

54:51

It's so scary.

54:52

And that's the thing too.

54:53

I think most people, like, if I do stop, there's repercussions too.

54:57

So what happened when you did stop?

54:58

Nothing.

54:59

Killed it.

55:02

Yeah.

55:02

You just cold turkey.

55:04

I wasn't doing opiates.

55:06

I wasn't doing anything.

55:06

Yeah, but alcohol.

55:07

But alcohol alone.

55:08

I just, I don't know.

55:10

Did you get the DTs?

55:11

No.

55:12

Wow.

55:13

I was just kind of like, I'm like a fucking giant baby moose.

55:16

You know?

55:16

Like, I was just like, I'm like, I don't know.

55:18

I broke my foot literally in like four places like six weeks ago.

55:21

And I'm just, I had a cast on and everything.

55:23

I'm walking around like a fucking freak.

55:24

And I'm just like, I don't know.

55:26

It's like one of those things I feel like I heal differently or something.

55:29

Like, I just, I'm just like.

55:30

Maybe if you lost weight, you'd be a real athlete.

55:32

Well, if I, let me tell you something, Joe.

55:34

Tell me something, please.

55:35

Let me tell you something about losing weight.

55:36

Yeah.

55:36

My big man.

55:37

Okay.

55:37

One day I'm going to get there.

55:39

Why don't you go with Action Bronson?

55:41

Go party with that dude.

55:43

Bronson is such a.

55:45

He impressed the fuck out of me.

55:46

He's, he's, he's, he did it.

55:49

He did the damn thing.

55:50

He lost 130 so far and he's going to keep going.

55:53

Of course.

55:53

So he's going to lose another 30.

55:54

Well, now he's going to tune.

55:55

Now, like, that's the thing is like, it's so sweet.

55:58

Truly.

55:59

Like he, he, he gave me a call.

56:01

We've had our differences over the years and stuff like that.

56:04

And then he gave me squabbled.

56:06

We had like small squabbles.

56:08

We had some squabs, but I think it was just like, uh, you know, too, too many

56:14

cooks in

56:14

the kitchen with vice.

56:15

And I think it was just like, there was a lot of different little things, you

56:17

know?

56:17

And, um, but he gave me a shout and I was like, it was crazy.

56:23

Like he started popping up and I was just like, he's doing it.

56:25

And I was just like, he's fucking doing it.

56:28

And I think it's like, uh, you know, it's like, I even hit him up.

56:32

Like, uh, when his book came out, I like hit him up and I was just like, Hey

56:35

man, like

56:36

we have the same publisher too.

56:37

And I was just like, congratulations on publication day.

56:40

Like, you know, third book, big one.

56:42

And this one's like meaningful, you know, I'm sure your other books are, but I

56:45

was like,

56:45

this one's like a real one, you know?

56:46

And, uh, uh, you know, it's just very inspiring.

56:50

But I think the thing, so this is addict brain ego.

56:53

Now during the pandemic, I had to figure out how to take care of my family.

56:59

So I've been trying to figure out, and these are excuses, how to figure out how

57:06

to truly

57:07

take care of my family.

57:08

Cause when the pandemic hit, I was only playing defense with my work.

57:11

I was flying around the world, just getting checks, collecting checks.

57:14

Maddie Madison, come here to Australia.

57:16

Maddie Madison, come here, come here, come here, come here.

57:18

Pandemic hit.

57:19

I had, you know, six months of booked out travel, paid, fucking dialed, like,

57:24

here's

57:25

my year, half a year, gone instantly.

57:28

Then lost, you know, a lot of stuff.

57:31

I had to, and then I was just like, wait, I'm a, I'm a fucking tool.

57:35

I'm a gadget.

57:36

There's no way that this is fucking going down like this.

57:39

So I had to figure out how to make my own money.

57:42

And so then that's when I transitioned back into restaurants.

57:45

So with Maker Pizza, I was just a consultant.

57:49

Now I'm a partner, but for the last five years, I was just a consultant.

57:52

So I was like, I don't even have a fucking restaurant.

57:55

I'm the chef traveling around the world being a chef.

57:59

I'm not a chef.

58:01

A chef isn't a fucking MD.

58:03

You're not a fucking doctor.

58:04

A chef is a person that trains other cooks how to fucking cook.

58:08

If you're in front of your team, you're a chef.

58:11

If you walk outside, I don't believe you're like, you're not a chef.

58:13

You're just a person.

58:14

You know, chefs aren't these fucking monolithic things.

58:19

You have to be in action.

58:19

Yeah.

58:20

I strongly believe that.

58:22

Like if you were in a kitchen, you're a chef.

58:23

If you are leading a team, teaching them how to cut better, sharpen their

58:27

knives, cut vegetables,

58:29

take care of things, build stocks, build dishes, understand the ergonomics of a

58:33

dish,

58:33

then you're a chef.

58:36

But I was just like, I'm not anything now because I'm only as good as my last

58:41

paycheck.

58:42

Right.

58:43

So I'm just like, there's no more paychecks.

58:45

So I had to, was like, you know, I had some restaurant partners and I was like,

58:50

we're going to activate.

58:51

We're going to build out some things.

58:53

We're going to build out some concepts.

58:54

We're going to start doing some shit.

58:56

And we went into action and we started doing those things.

58:59

And it's taken up a lot of time and a lot of mental capacity.

59:03

And I believe after this foot breaking that I truly, I have this gym that I

59:09

built in my barn.

59:11

And it's a great gym.

59:12

I got the TRX.

59:13

I got squat racks.

59:14

I got the kettlebells.

59:15

I got the fucking balls.

59:16

I got the fucking bands.

59:18

I got all this shit in my barn.

59:19

And, you know, I just got out of my boot like two weeks ago.

59:24

And my main concern shortly is going to be that next level.

59:30

Because it's just like right now I had to figure out, you know, I'm not the

59:35

rock.

59:35

You know, 5 a.m. wake up.

59:37

I got my reg to build a new routine that I've never had a routine.

59:41

I've been a fat kind of kid my whole life.

59:43

You know, I played sports in high school, fucking lacrosse and shit.

59:47

But it was like never like a, I was never like an athlete athlete.

59:50

You know, I was always like a fatter.

59:52

I was like the fat brother.

59:53

My brother, abs, big dick.

59:54

Way to go, Steve.

59:55

My younger brother, like bigger than me, fucking massive, strong motherfucker.

59:59

20,000 steps a day, psychopath, concrete, backpack, walking around the fucking

1:00:04

neighborhood like a psychopath.

1:00:05

My brother is fucking ripped.

1:00:07

Me, I was always the fat kid.

1:00:09

So I always have that ego too where I fucking fuck them.

1:00:12

They just, their DNA is better than mine.

1:00:14

So I fought with, you know, being the fat kid, fought with being this, you know,

1:00:19

whatever.

1:00:20

Just being this shape, you know.

1:00:23

And now I've built to a level where I feel comfortable with my team that I can

1:00:30

start focusing my energy and time more on, you know, my physical self, which

1:00:35

will help my mental self, which will now help everything else.

1:00:39

So I think I'm trying to, like, build my own Swiss clock of my Maddie world.

1:00:44

And right now I have to set up a financial foundation of businesses, which I

1:00:49

have.

1:00:50

And now I'm going, and I have my home with my family taken care of.

1:00:53

And now I can kind of tend, start tending to Maddie a little bit.

1:00:56

Does that make sense?

1:00:58

Yes.

1:00:59

It's a long journey of words to get to you're going to lose weight.

1:01:04

Yeah, Joe.

1:01:05

I get it.

1:01:06

Yes, Joe.

1:01:06

I get it.

1:01:07

You're prepared.

1:01:07

You know, I've never worked out a day in my, like, look at this pumps.

1:01:09

I got pump-ups.

1:01:10

You want to arm wrestle?

1:01:12

What do you, like, what do you, I think I need to, you know, Joe, I would like

1:01:17

to lose weight.

1:01:18

But I also think it's like, fuck, I know that my cardiologist, my cardiologist,

1:01:24

I don't have high blood pressure.

1:01:26

I don't have high cholesterol.

1:01:28

That's amazing.

1:01:28

It's incredible.

1:01:29

I don't understand it.

1:01:30

And my cardiologist was like, I'm the best cardiologist in the country.

1:01:34

You don't need me.

1:01:35

Yeah, but it's Canada.

1:01:35

Yeah, okay.

1:01:37

What does it even mean?

1:01:38

They're fucking brilliant.

1:01:39

They get paid slave labor.

1:01:40

No, they get paid hundreds of millions.

1:01:42

You get paid loonies.

1:01:43

They get loonies.

1:01:44

They get hundreds of millions of loonies.

1:01:46

She definitely has a Range Rover.

1:01:48

She's doing fine.

1:01:49

You know?

1:01:50

And, yeah, dude, when I, it was so funny.

1:01:53

The thing about healthcare in America versus Canada, perfect example, I break

1:01:58

my foot in L.A.

1:01:59

I break my foot in L.A., I break three metatarsals on the top of my foot.

1:02:03

How'd you break it?

1:02:03

Slipped off a curb, and I, like, my foot got stuck almost, like, on the curb,

1:02:11

and I, like,

1:02:12

the way that I compressed or fell, it, like, snapped the three metatarsals.

1:02:16

So it was like, because in L.A., the curbs are high because of the water.

1:02:20

Like, in Canada, our curbs are shorter.

1:02:22

Right.

1:02:23

My, my, my, my, my, my agility.

1:02:25

My agility.

1:02:26

We have great drainage.

1:02:27

Sandy soil.

1:02:28

And my fucking, my, my, my, my, I was, like, literally, it was the stupidest

1:02:33

thing.

1:02:33

I fell down like a baby, I was, like, a turtle laying in the middle of fucking

1:02:37

Melrose.

1:02:37

I was, like, Melrose and Myrtle.

1:02:39

And I was, like, at my homie.

1:02:40

You do not want to be hurt on Melrose these days, either.

1:02:43

No, bro.

1:02:44

It's like a Mad Max movie.

1:02:45

Dude, it's crazy out there right now.

1:02:46

Isn't it weird?

1:02:47

Dude, I was, I did a photo, I'm doing this thing, and I had to do a photo shoot,

1:02:51

and they wanted to do it just on Hollywood Boulevard.

1:02:54

Yeah.

1:02:54

And I was just, like, yeah, let's go.

1:02:56

Let's do it.

1:02:57

And it was just, it was, like.

1:02:58

You might as well be on Skid Row.

1:02:59

Yeah, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's, it's there, but it's, fuck, whatever.

1:03:03

So you broke your foot.

1:03:05

So I broke my foot, Joe.

1:03:06

So this, all this gym that you have set up, you haven't used it, but you set it

1:03:09

up.

1:03:09

It's the beef barn.

1:03:10

Eventually, you're gonna, are you gonna get a trainer?

1:03:13

That's what you should do.

1:03:14

So I have, I have some, I have so many beautiful people around me, so many

1:03:19

knowledgeable people around me.

1:03:21

And that's the thing, I'm friends with, like, because of, like, Pat from, like,

1:03:24

Ruka, and, like, the, I have access to so many amazing athletes now, that, like,

1:03:30

they're all, like, let us know.

1:03:32

Anytime.

1:03:33

And, uh, you know, I just gotta, I gotta mentally get to that place.

1:03:38

Let's just do it.

1:03:39

Listen, there's all this jabber, jabber, jabber.

1:03:41

Jabber, jabber, jabber.

1:03:42

You're jabbering too much about it.

1:03:43

I know, this is the same thing.

1:03:44

I said it was excuses, Joe.

1:03:46

I know, I know, you did say it.

1:03:47

I said it.

1:03:48

I'll excuse you all day.

1:03:49

I know you will.

1:03:50

I, I think we can help you.

1:03:52

I think we can make this push happen.

1:03:53

Okay, you're gonna produce, I wanna do a, a movie.

1:03:56

No.

1:03:57

Okay.

1:03:57

I'm busy.

1:03:58

I'm busy!

1:03:59

I'm not producing any movies.

1:04:01

Don't produce a movie.

1:04:02

I'm not doing shit.

1:04:03

I'm just gonna do work.

1:04:03

Anytime anybody says, let's do this, I go, I'm not doing shit.

1:04:07

Hunt.

1:04:08

The bar, the archery.

1:04:09

I'm doing more than I'm already doing.

1:04:11

What I'm doing is exactly what I'm doing.

1:04:13

I have three jobs.

1:04:14

I don't need any more things.

1:04:16

Three jobs is a lot.

1:04:17

That's a lot of stuff.

1:04:18

It's a lot of stuff.

1:04:18

One of them is pretty easy.

1:04:20

Yeah.

1:04:20

You know?

1:04:20

Which one's the easy one?

1:04:22

UFC.

1:04:22

UFC's the easy one?

1:04:23

Yeah.

1:04:23

That's pretty easy.

1:04:24

Because I just have to watch fights.

1:04:25

Is there any kind of like, um, prep?

1:04:29

Or like, you know everybody?

1:04:30

Watching fights.

1:04:31

There's too many fighters now.

1:04:33

I can't know everybody.

1:04:33

So what I do is, leading up to fights now, I'll watch everybody that's on the

1:04:38

card.

1:04:38

I'll watch some, some event they've been in.

1:04:40

Right, right.

1:04:41

Something that they're really good at.

1:04:41

So you have something to talk about.

1:04:43

Yeah.

1:04:43

They can't stir their punches or something.

1:04:44

I want to know.

1:04:44

I want to be able to watch, like, maybe they have a tendency.

1:04:46

Maybe they have something that they're really good at and something.

1:04:49

Like some guys, like Alexi Olenek, he's like a really good grappler, but not

1:04:54

the best

1:04:54

striker, like more plotting.

1:04:55

Right.

1:04:56

Like some, so you see, oh, he's fighting this guy who's getting very light on

1:04:59

his feet.

1:05:00

It's going to be a problem.

1:05:00

I think I sort of pieced together what I think would be like situations that

1:05:05

could possibly

1:05:06

occur in a fight and what to look for.

1:05:08

And that UFC that just happened.

1:05:11

Special UFC, right?

1:05:13

Am I crazy?

1:05:14

So special.

1:05:15

Was that like just a special UFC?

1:05:16

It was special in every way.

1:05:18

It was special in that it had been a year since we had a full crowd.

1:05:22

And so literally the first fight, these two girls were getting ready to walk to

1:05:26

the octagon.

1:05:27

The lights went down and it was probably only like 25% capacity at that time.

1:05:33

They hadn't all showed up yet because it was early.

1:05:35

It was like, first fight was like 6 p.m.

1:05:37

Right.

1:05:38

As soon as the lights went down, everybody went fucking madhouse.

1:05:43

Just, yeah.

1:05:44

And we, I took my headphones off and I looked around and we were like, whoa.

1:05:50

And me and John Anik and Daniel Cormier are looking at each other like, boys,

1:05:53

this is crazy.

1:05:54

And we took a photo.

1:05:56

There's a photo that's on my Instagram of John Anik, Megan Olivi, me and Daniel

1:06:00

Cormier

1:06:01

right before the fight started, we were so happy.

1:06:04

We were like beaming.

1:06:06

It was just like, it felt so great because we had been calling fights over the

1:06:11

past year,

1:06:12

but we had been doing it with no audience at the Apex Center like there.

1:06:16

We were so happy there.

1:06:17

Like, look at Megan.

1:06:19

Look at that smile.

1:06:20

We were so happy.

1:06:22

It's just, you know, that's the pay-per-view crew and we, and also we could do

1:06:26

this.

1:06:26

We could hug each other.

1:06:27

And when we did the pre-fight stuff, we're talking about the bouts that are

1:06:31

coming up.

1:06:31

We're standing next to each other because before at the Apex Center, we were

1:06:35

like separated

1:06:36

and I couldn't interview the fighters inside the octagon.

1:06:39

It was all so weird.

1:06:40

Yeah.

1:06:40

So you go from that to Florida that Florida is like COVID is, COVID is a rumor.

1:06:46

COVID is a rumor.

1:06:47

Right, right.

1:06:48

They're like, yeah.

1:06:49

It is what it is.

1:06:50

They'll figure it out.

1:06:50

But I think their approach is healthier than California that acts like it's a

1:06:55

demon and

1:06:56

you have to be protected by the governor.

1:06:57

Right.

1:06:58

You know, like in this, this fucking guy who doesn't protect himself, doesn't

1:07:02

even follow

1:07:02

the rules.

1:07:03

The guy who gets busted eating at the French laundry indoors, you know, and

1:07:08

lies about it.

1:07:09

We were, we was outdoors.

1:07:10

With the Teddy Cruz motherfucker going to Mexico, a little Cancun, brah.

1:07:14

Yeah, but that's not that bad.

1:07:16

Yeah.

1:07:16

That guy was just trying to get away because the fucking state was frozen.

1:07:19

Yeah.

1:07:19

Like, I get it.

1:07:20

Maybe he should suffer with everybody else.

1:07:22

He should have suffered a little bit.

1:07:23

But that's not as bad.

1:07:24

Maybe a couple days.

1:07:25

That's not as bad as telling people not to eat outside or not to eat indoors

1:07:30

and you

1:07:30

eat indoors, wear a mask in between bites of food.

1:07:33

He was telling people to do that.

1:07:35

So it's like California's approach is way worse than Florida's approach.

1:07:40

And Florida's approach is way better than Canada's approach, too.

1:07:43

Canada's approach is ridiculous.

1:07:44

They're arresting people for going to church.

1:07:46

They're arresting the cops showing up.

1:07:48

That thing was crazy.

1:07:49

That's insane.

1:07:50

It is like, it's so sad because there's just like, what do we do?

1:07:53

It's like, we're, we're, it's so tough because we are like, we want to take

1:07:58

care of our staff

1:07:59

at our businesses and we want to, like, no one goes into our buildings.

1:08:03

Like, no one, like, we all wear our masks.

1:08:06

We do everything that we can do.

1:08:08

And it's just like, for how long?

1:08:10

And for how long do we have to do this for, for, if you're a government, then

1:08:15

show us the

1:08:15

real plan of getting to a place.

1:08:17

But that's not, that's not what they're there for.

1:08:19

Yeah.

1:08:20

They've never been there for telling you whether or not you can work.

1:08:22

You know why?

1:08:23

Because they don't lose any money.

1:08:25

Their money keeps going.

1:08:26

It doesn't have any effect on them whatsoever.

1:08:28

Such losers.

1:08:28

It doesn't have any effect on them whatsoever if everyone's out of work.

1:08:33

If everyone's business crumples, they get the exact same amount in their

1:08:36

paycheck.

1:08:36

That's what's happening in California.

1:08:38

Right.

1:08:38

You know, and this is like the difference between, unfortunately, because I'm

1:08:42

liberal,

1:08:42

but this is the difference between the way Republican states handle things

1:08:46

versus Democrat states.

1:08:48

Right.

1:08:48

Democrat states are just lock everyone down.

1:08:50

We have to protect you.

1:08:51

You can't go anywhere.

1:08:52

You can't open up.

1:08:53

You can't do this.

1:08:54

And Florida was the most reasonable, believe it or not.

1:08:57

This is how you know we're living in the upside down, where everybody's like,

1:09:01

Florida's great.

1:09:02

Florida's the best.

1:09:03

I want to move to Florida.

1:09:03

Everyone should just do what Florida's doing then.

1:09:06

That's raw.

1:09:06

Florida was a joke.

1:09:07

Florida was a joke just two years ago.

1:09:10

Nobody wanted to be in Florida.

1:09:11

You know, I just don't want to, it's one of those things.

1:09:13

I'm still such a, like, you know, I do want to just do the nicest thing.

1:09:18

Like, in my mind, I'm like, well, what's the easiest, nicest thing?

1:09:21

And I just want to, like, if we're just going to wear masks, then wear masks.

1:09:24

I don't know.

1:09:25

Like, that's the thing is, like, I am a little bit just, like, I want to make

1:09:29

sure people are safe.

1:09:30

Locking down, I don't think locking down does anything.

1:09:33

It's worse.

1:09:33

It makes things worse.

1:09:34

You know why?

1:09:35

Because people go inside.

1:09:36

They go inside.

1:09:37

They're trapped inside.

1:09:37

Dude, it's not good for people.

1:09:39

That's where it spreads.

1:09:40

And I just don't think it's good for humans.

1:09:42

It's not good for your mental health.

1:09:44

And that's not good for your immune system.

1:09:46

And, you know, again, there's no fucking instruction on telling people how to

1:09:50

get healthier.

1:09:51

Because that's what's significant.

1:09:52

The only thing they've done is given us a fucking mask.

1:09:55

So, all we've given a mask is, I'm like, it's one of those things where it's

1:09:59

just like, if you go out of your house, then, the variable is there.

1:10:03

It doesn't matter how many interactions or how many things.

1:10:06

If you've chosen to leave your house and leave a quarantine situation, then

1:10:09

that's your decision to fucking rock.

1:10:12

And I just think it's just like, the thing about it is, we just don't, it's

1:10:17

still so early and it's so stupid and it's fucked up.

1:10:22

You've got to give people personal freedom.

1:10:24

You can't take that away from them.

1:10:25

Because then you're not, you're not what we signed up for.

1:10:28

What we signed up for is elected officials who represent the people.

1:10:33

You're not supposed to run the people and tell the people they can't work.

1:10:37

And if you're saying you're doing it to protect them, and it turns out, not

1:10:40

only does it not protect them, but it's less effective than letting them be

1:10:44

free.

1:10:44

And you don't course correct and you don't adjust, then you're a piece of shit

1:10:48

and we have to take you out of office.

1:10:50

And that's what's happening in California.

1:10:52

That's why they're recalling the governor in California.

1:10:54

Are they getting him out of there?

1:10:55

They're recalling him.

1:10:56

Get him out of there.

1:10:57

There's another election.

1:10:58

He'll probably wind up winning.

1:11:00

But California, isn't California people are eating inside again now?

1:11:01

They are now because he's being recalled.

1:11:04

He opened everything up.

1:11:05

He's like, everybody wants it, let's go.

1:11:07

They're not showing the COVID science anymore.

1:11:09

They're not showing the numbers anymore.

1:11:11

Because the numbers wouldn't be enough to indicate that they should open

1:11:15

everything back up again.

1:11:16

But when the governor's getting recalled, he's got to turn the fucking economy

1:11:19

around.

1:11:20

That's when things change.

1:11:22

I just don't understand them, man.

1:11:23

I don't understand them.

1:11:24

Because it doesn't make sense.

1:11:25

What was the tipping point for you to be like, I'm moving my family.

1:11:29

Like, I'm moving the thing.

1:11:30

I saw where it was going.

1:11:32

Yeah.

1:11:32

I was like, they're telling us, first of all, they told us we're going to lock

1:11:35

down for two weeks.

1:11:36

And I'm like, well, that's really reasonable.

1:11:37

Everybody will stay home for two weeks.

1:11:39

But then after two weeks, it's like, we're going to keep going.

1:11:42

And then it kept going.

1:11:43

It just kept going.

1:11:44

And nothing ever opened.

1:11:45

And then they were saying you can't go outside without a mask.

1:11:48

It didn't make any sense because ultraviolet rays kill COVID.

1:11:52

Like, it doesn't make any sense.

1:11:54

You shouldn't be able to run outside without a mask on.

1:11:56

Like, you're treating it like it's a demon.

1:11:59

You're not treating it like it's a virus.

1:12:00

Right.

1:12:01

And then it's just, I saw how other states were handling it.

1:12:04

I'm like, well, they're much more reasonable.

1:12:05

They believe in personal freedom.

1:12:06

And they also take into account the fact that people have businesses.

1:12:09

You can't just let people's business go under because you tell them they can't

1:12:13

work.

1:12:14

You've got to give people the option.

1:12:15

People need to decide for themselves.

1:12:18

And then once we got the numbers in, in terms of, like, what the disease was

1:12:22

actually doing.

1:12:22

Right.

1:12:23

Unfortunately, Maddie, 78% of the people that are in the hospital from COVID

1:12:28

are overweight.

1:12:29

That's the number one thing.

1:12:30

The number one morbidity factor is obesity.

1:12:34

That's number one.

1:12:35

They don't say shit about that because they don't want a fat chain.

1:12:37

Isn't everybody obese?

1:12:38

No, not everyone.

1:12:39

Oh.

1:12:39

There's a lot of people that are not obese.

1:12:41

Okay.

1:12:42

The other, you know.

1:12:43

30%.

1:12:44

Yeah.

1:12:44

Okay.

1:12:45

Well, 30%.

1:12:46

20%.

1:12:47

28%.

1:12:48

28%.

1:12:49

Yeah.

1:12:49

It's not a lot of people telling people to lose weight and be healthy.

1:12:54

But they are telling you to stay home and be scared.

1:12:57

The be home and be scared thing is not good.

1:13:00

The internet's not good.

1:13:01

The fucking doom scrolling's not good.

1:13:03

The mental health is a real, like the sadness, the cloud of sadness.

1:13:07

Oh my God.

1:13:07

The suicides.

1:13:09

The cloud of sadness is not great.

1:13:11

And it's not.

1:13:13

There's a lot of, and there's a lot of despair.

1:13:17

We're not unprecedented times.

1:13:18

We're just in unprecedented times.

1:13:19

Yes.

1:13:20

We're in unprecedented times.

1:13:21

And there's a bunch of different ways to handle it.

1:13:23

But the thing that drives me crazy and that drove me crazy and got me out of

1:13:26

California was I was looking at the way some states were handling it.

1:13:29

And I was like, that makes more sense.

1:13:31

And I was looking at how California was handling it.

1:13:32

They're representing it the way you want to live.

1:13:34

Well, they were doing it in a more effective way because their case numbers

1:13:37

were lower, but they had more freedom.

1:13:40

And the economies were way better in those states.

1:13:43

So even though people were catching COVID everywhere, every fucking state had

1:13:46

COVID, right?

1:13:47

In the states where they were open, the businesses were staying open.

1:13:51

And there wasn't a significant difference in terms of like these states, the

1:13:54

businesses are open, but look, way more people are dying.

1:13:57

That wasn't the case.

1:13:58

Yeah, yeah.

1:13:58

In fact, Florida has less deaths.

1:14:00

Let's go Florida.

1:14:01

They have less deaths.

1:14:02

They have less COVID and they have more old people.

1:14:04

It doesn't make any sense.

1:14:05

They got lots of old people.

1:14:05

If you look at it statistically, but they have hot weather and they have sun.

1:14:09

And so they're outside.

1:14:10

They got the UV.

1:14:11

In the sun and it's better for you for vitamin D as well.

1:14:14

There you go.

1:14:14

Vitamin D is important.

1:14:15

It's fucking huge.

1:14:16

It's a hormone, man.

1:14:17

I love it.

1:14:18

It's huge.

1:14:18

I like sun tanning.

1:14:20

Well, that's guaranteed.

1:14:21

That's good for you.

1:14:22

Do you like sun tanning?

1:14:23

Do you sun tan?

1:14:24

I go outside.

1:14:24

You go outside.

1:14:25

I don't lay around.

1:14:26

Sun tanning is like jogging, I feel.

1:14:28

If I lay down, I'm sleeping.

1:14:29

Yeah.

1:14:30

Yeah.

1:14:31

You only lay down when you sleep.

1:14:32

Yeah.

1:14:33

Incredible.

1:14:39

I don't know where to go from there.

1:14:41

I'm just like, that's it.

1:14:42

Oh my God.

1:14:43

The good thing is I can sleep anywhere.

1:14:45

I can sleep on a moving train.

1:14:46

I'll just lie down.

1:14:47

I can fall asleep instantly anywhere, but maybe that's just because of the

1:14:50

gravity pulling

1:14:51

my soul.

1:14:52

But I'm saying I don't sun tan, no.

1:14:56

No.

1:14:57

No.

1:14:57

I like to sun tan when I garden.

1:14:59

If I go to the, like, if I'm on vacation, I'm at the beach, I'll have a couple

1:15:03

of margaritas.

1:15:04

Where does Joe vacation?

1:15:05

I enjoy Hawaii.

1:15:06

That's my favorite place.

1:15:07

Which island?

1:15:08

I like all of them, but I like Lanai because no one's there.

1:15:11

Right.

1:15:11

And you can bow hunt at night.

1:15:13

So you know what we do?

1:15:15

Night vision?

1:15:16

No, no, not at night.

1:15:17

In the afternoon.

1:15:17

Okay.

1:15:18

Because it's windier then.

1:15:20

Okay.

1:15:20

It's easier because you're sneaking up on these axis deer, which are very wily.

1:15:23

So you can hear the leaves.

1:15:23

They ruffle your noise.

1:15:24

Yes.

1:15:25

Yes.

1:15:26

The axis deer are super fucking tuned in because they evolved to get away from

1:15:29

tigers.

1:15:30

Yes.

1:15:30

They're the fastest deer I've ever seen in my life.

1:15:32

The axis deers is the ones where you went hunting with the man eater guy or the

1:15:35

meat eater?

1:15:36

No, no, no, no, no.

1:15:38

That's Steve Vernella.

1:15:38

Yeah.

1:15:39

I didn't go hunting for axis deer with him.

1:15:41

No?

1:15:42

No.

1:15:42

No, I've been hunting with him before for white-tailed deer.

1:15:45

Okay.

1:15:45

Where was the one when you were in, like, a mountain range?

1:15:47

Like, a little mountain, like, a hilly, kind of almost looked like desert-y.

1:15:50

Oh, that was Nevada.

1:15:51

Nevada, okay.

1:15:52

Yeah, we were in Nevada.

1:15:53

But was that axis deer or am I crazy?

1:15:54

No, no.

1:15:54

That was mule deer.

1:15:55

Mule deer.

1:15:56

Yeah.

1:15:56

So many deer.

1:15:57

Axis deer are, they're roaming around Texas, the ones that didn't die from the

1:16:01

freeze-off.

1:16:02

Right.

1:16:02

Like, I know a guy whose friend owns a ranch and he had 2,000 axis deer freeze

1:16:07

to death.

1:16:08

Wow.

1:16:08

Just stacks of deer.

1:16:10

2,000.

1:16:11

That's like a concert full of deer.

1:16:12

Yeah.

1:16:12

That's a lot of dead deer.

1:16:14

A lot of dead deer.

1:16:14

You just put that in a freezer and then you butcher them up?

1:16:16

I don't know how they handled it.

1:16:18

I imagine they did that.

1:16:19

I would hope so.

1:16:20

I would hope so, too, because axis deer are really delicious.

1:16:22

I bet.

1:16:22

But anyway, lanai's great because we would go,

1:16:25

and you could stay at the Four Seasons.

1:16:26

Nice.

1:16:27

And then in the late afternoon, you go and bow hunt.

1:16:30

Bow hunt.

1:16:30

We used to do it in the morning, but the thing about it in the morning is it's

1:16:33

so quiet in

1:16:34

the morning.

1:16:34

It's harder.

1:16:35

They hear you.

1:16:35

I've been successful in the morning.

1:16:36

Even if you're stealthy.

1:16:37

I bet you're stealthy.

1:16:38

Yeah, you have to be.

1:16:39

You take your shoes off.

1:16:39

On your toes.

1:16:40

You take your shoes off.

1:16:41

Yeah.

1:16:41

How nice is the grass?

1:16:42

First time I went to Oahu, the grass on the feet was so nice.

1:16:46

It is nice.

1:16:47

And I still want to do some wild boar hunting there.

1:16:51

I really want to do some.

1:16:53

You go wild boar hunting.

1:16:54

Here's the spot right here, Alson.

1:16:55

Texas.

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Right here.

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Texas.

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