You're a Bigot if You Don't Want to Date a Trans Woman? Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson:

Competition. Competition amongst men is fine. Competition with men against women is often thought of as cruel. Yeah, well, and there's a certain amount of reason for that as well, because obviously physical competition, it's easy for that to border on cruel. This is why we were talking before the show, that instead of calling people men and women when referring to like, because there's this very disturbing, in my opinion, trend of transgender women entering into these competitions now with women who are biologically female and dominating them. And that instead of calling people men and women, let's dispense with that. Yeah, you can be a man or a woman. Yeah, you can be a man or a woman, that's your choice, and you can change it whenever you want. So you're a man or a woman, and that's your choice. But we're going to have a new rule, which is that if you have an XY chromosome, so you're an XY person or an XX person, then if you're an XY person, you don't get to engage in physical combat with an XY person. Men or women? Doesn't matter. Yeah, if you're XY, you can't engage in physical combat with XX. That's right. XY's cannot hit XX's. How's that? And maybe they can't run in running contests against them, and maybe they can't play tennis against them. And maybe that's just reasonable. It is reasonable. Yes, it is certainly reasonable. It is reasonable, but if you talk about that, especially someone like you, who was, you were against this bill that was going to enforce these pronouns and compelling the use of these pronouns, that you're thought to be a transphobic person because you feel like there maybe should be some rational discussion about the physical limitations of certain body structures. Because that's what it is. If you're talking about my field of business, you're talking about combat sports. I've been involved in combat sports my whole life, and there is a difference. And it's not to say that females aren't competent. I had Miriam Nakamoto on yesterday. She's a good friend of mine. She's an eight-time world Muay Thai champion. She's a monster. But she doesn't fight against men, and she shouldn't fight against men, although she probably could beat a bunch of them. Right. She shouldn't have to. A tough woman can beat a variety of men, but a really tough man can beat all women. So that's the problem. That's the reality. Yes, that is definitely the reality. People don't like to hear these things, and they want to pretend that you can even out the playing field with hormones. No, you can even it a little. There's certain things, like I've always said, if you gave Brock Lesnar a sex change and put him in a dress, he's going to run through every woman that's ever lived in the history of women. There's not a single woman that's going to be able to deal with that bone structure and that mind that that guy has had with testosterone pumping through it for 39 years. It's just not fair. Well, it's just preposterous that we even have to have the discussion. It's so absolutely ridiculous that- Is the one thing that I was attacked on more than anything in my entire life is saying that I think it's ridiculous to have a trans woman compete against women in mixed martial arts. I was like, you want to have them do it in chess? You want to have them do it in something that's non-physical? Sure. You want them to be a woman? Yes, okay. You want them to be recognized as a woman? Sure. But as soon as you're compelling people, like here's one that's going up lately, if you don't want to date a trans woman, then you're some sort of a bigot. But if you're a man, even if you want a family- You know, you remember in Brave New World, in Huxley's book, it was considered immoral to reject anyone's sexual advances because it was prejudicial. Oh, yes. And the thing is, it is prejudicial. That's the thing. So that makes the question even more interesting because the question is, at what point do you have the right to your prejudices? Right. And one of the things that we seem to cling to, and I would say rightly, is that we're allowed to be prejudiced when it comes to who we interact with sexually and who we choose as friends. And that's the right to association. And you know, you say- But only up to a certain point. Well, that's- This is because this new logic is kind of leaking into even sexual preference now. Like if you have a problem with someone being overweight, then you're a size-ist or something like that. Like what is that? Well, the thing is, is that you can't have preferences without having prejudices. Of course. Yeah. Right. And so that's a big issue. So what does that mean? You don't get to have any preferences? How's that going to work out? In terms of like what you like to eat or what kind of films you enjoy, what kind of books you read, you're allowed to have these preferences. But when it comes to what you're sexually attracted to, there's new emphasis now on trying to draw that line and say, but it's preposterous people that are pushing this. And almost everybody's pushing back. But I find it interesting when these things come up. Well, it's a logical conclusion to all these other things that have been happening. Yes. Because that is where the rubber hits the road. It's like, you know, when I- Well, I've seen this in debates that I've had publicly where people talk about prejudice, and I've pointed out to them that they have prejudicial attitudes with regards to their sexual preferences because they don't just sleep with anyone who asks them. Right. So it's like, well, how is that not a prejudice? Well, of course it's a prejudice. Well, then the question is, under what circumstances are prejudices justifiable? And that's a conversation we don't like to have because we believe that there are no circumstances whatsoever under which prejudices are acceptable. There's a big difference between prejudices and discrimination. I think those two get conflated. Yes, there is a big difference between prejudice and discrimination. Right. And also- Hopefully discrimination has to do with setting your standards in relationship to the task at hand. Yes. Right? That's what you'd hope for. That's the appropriate form of discrimination. That's like intelligence. Sure. Everything isn't the same about everything all the time. So you discriminate. You rank order things. And you need to rank order them even to pursue things that are valuable.