Who is the Greatest Boxer of All Time?

Floyd's undefeated too, but he's not the greatest boxer of all time, right? It's arguable he is. It's arguable he is. I don't think so. I feel like he is. He's my favorite. He's been hit hard maybe four times his whole fucking career. You stop and think about how many fights he fought against elite guys. Not just great defense, like the best defense of all time. You're talking about a guy who's fought everybody. He fought everybody. He fought Canelo. He fought Pacquiao. Maybe he didn't fight Pacquiao when he was in his prime. Maybe fought Canelo when he was young and made him cut extra weight. He did some smart shit, but at the end of the day. That's part of being a fighter though, right? Yeah, at the end of the day, the fucking guy is 50, well 49 and Conor McGregor. That's what he is. That's what I say. 49 and Conor McGregor. Yeah, because it's kind of weird. It's kind of weird. Somebody like Sugar Ray Robinson. You know Sugar Ray Robinson. Different. Yeah, that's different. Different time. Different time. He's lost her, right? Yeah, he lost 15. I think Sugar Ray Robinson had somewhere in the neighborhood of 90 plus victories before his first defeat though. What is like, how many? His first defeat was the, wasn't it the Jack LaMotta? Jake LaMotta. How old was he? Was he out of his prime? No. There might have been his first defeat. He got knocked out? No, I think he got knocked out. He got knocked out. You know by LaMotta? I thought he got knocked out by Billy Cahn. No, Jack LaMotta knocked him out. Jake LaMotta. I don't think he knocked him out. Me and names is terrible. I think he beat him in a decision in the first fight and then Robinson beat the shit out of him in the second fight. No, no, no. Really? Sugar Ray Robinson, they fought six times. They fought six times and Robinson won them. I didn't know Jake actually knocked him out. Robinson fought him, beat him the first time and I think in the rematch is when, when LaMotta. Jake, knocked him out? Knocked him out. I don't remember that. And then the sixth fight, he TKO'd Jake, but it was a standing TKO and he never, you know, he never got knocked off of his feet. Right. And that, you know, and he was, you know, talking shit to, you stop me, but you didn't never, you never put me down. Yeah, that was a, that was the St. Valentine's Day mascot, right? Yeah. Yeah, when he went through the ropes and he's like leaning, just getting, just getting pounded on the ropes. Yeah, that guy had a ridiculous chin. Crazy. Eating shots like that from Sugar Ray Robinson. Yeah. Wasn't that at middleweight too? And Robinson really started off at 147. Yeah, I think it was lighter. I think he started even lighter. It was 40. He's giving a pull up. 44. His record. Sugar Ray Robinson. Sugar Ray Robinson. Boxing record. His record's like 200 and almost 200 fights. Crazy. That's crazy. Why can't we get that many fights? 250, something like that. How can we get that many fights in MMA? Oh, it's more than that. In boxing, his 200th fight was, well, I'll do that, 173, 19, six against Joey Archer. That's his 200th fight. Go back to his first loss or go back to the Jake Lamanna fights. You got to go way back. Stop. Those are all win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win, Jake Lamanna. So he beat him at 36 and now that he lost, unanimous decision. Yeah, I was right. And then he beat him again, unanimous decision. So he lost the unanimous decision to Jake Lamanna and then he beat everybody else up into a draw with Jose Barrosa, Bassoro rather. So he made it to 40, you know? Yeah, I thought it was a lot more than that. So his 41st fight, he lost. That was his first loss and it was a decision to Jake Lamanna. I guess Floyd really is a goat. I think he's the goat. It's a different era. It's a thing. It's like, you know, when you look at Mike Tyson, we just had this conversation yesterday on the podcast, but I think Mike Tyson in his prime when he knocked out Larry Holmes, when he starched Marvis Frazier, when he was just smashing everybody, I think he had reached this level that you can only maintain for a certain amount of years. I think the same thing you could say for Fedor when he was in his prime, when he was running things in pride. There's a level that you could reach that you can only maintain for a certain amount of years. It's real hard because I think this is what I said yesterday. I think if Muhammad Ali had been in the same era as Mike Tyson, he would have been better because Mike Tyson was around. You get better depending upon who's around you. And when you are in an era, you're kind of defined by your competition. Ali was defined by Joe Frazier and defined by Joe Foreman and all the guys that he fought, Ken Norton, all those guys that he fought in his era. But it's a different era with Tyson. It's a different era. But you're also forgetting that he beat Floyd Patterson. It's like before, all the fights that he had before he came back. But those just weren't competitive. He was so fast. He hit so hard. Beating Sonny Liston. Sonny Liston's... He was a murderer back then. Yeah, he's freaking... Kill it. Yeah, it's like... He destroyed Floyd Patterson. Twice. Twice in the first round, right? You couldn't get hit by him. You just couldn't get hit by him. He had giant fucking hands. A guy that was close, close to the mafia. It's like... And so he beat all those guys. It's like... Yup. It's like, so maybe if he doesn't have that three years off, maybe, maybe, maybe, who knows? Who knows? But he did. And it's also, he was a different cultural figure, right? Because when you look at his impact on society and civilization, he stood for something. He was a guy who was like, I'm not going to fight in this fucking war. It doesn't make any sense. They took his title away from him and the people loved him. It's a different scene. Well, it was a different scene. Well, yeah, about 50% of the population hated him. And then 50% of the population loved him and thought he was the greatest thing ever. Yeah. And it's like, I ain't going over there to fight in any vehicle and they didn't do anything to me. It's like, he's a very, very interesting figure. And then you got somebody like Joe Frazier, very, very good fighter, won the Olympic gold medal, was an alternate going into the Olympics. And the alternate, I forget what happened over there. He ended up not fighting. Joe fought. He won the Olympic gold medal. They actually rematched as pros. And then Joe stopped him, fourth or fifth round. And he was a beast. And then George Foreman, that's a guy that didn't ever put on a pair of gloves until he was, I think, 19 years old, right? That's crazy. It's like 19 years old. Think about that. There's not many guys that have never put on a pair of gloves until they're 19 years old and then get to that level. Well, that's the Deontay Wilder story, too. Is it? Yeah. Deontay Wilder boxed for a year and a half before he won a bronze medal in the Olympics. Okay. George Foreman won the gold medal in the 70s when it was even, I think, harder to win the gold medal because of the Cubans and the Russians. They never went pro and stuff like that. You had that. To Phil Stevenson. Right. And so it's like I think it was the 76 Olympics that he won the gold medal. And he was like 24 fights as an amateur. That's all the fights he had never lost. That's nuts. And it's like, you know, just crazy. He fought just 20 times as an amateur before traveling to Mexico City for the 1988 1968 Olympic Games. Amazing. You know, and never lost. And then so that is like, think about that. You know, this guy's walking through guys like Joe Frazier. And then he fights older Muhammad Ali. And then gets knocked out in the eight. It's like crazy. He believed that he was invincible. Arguably the hardest hitter ever. It's like, you know, what would have happened to Mike Tyson? We might have known who Mike Tyson was if he would have been around in those days. Who knows? Or Mike Tyson would have smashed him. You just don't know. He was faster than everybody. The thing about Mike Tyson as a knockout fighter, if you watch like the Marvis Frazier fighter. He was faster than Muhammad Ali though. I don't think he was faster. Muhammad's feet were so fast. Because you got to think back to, you know, when he fought Sonny Liston. When he fought Floyd Patterson. You got to think of how his feet were then. But the three years afterwards, I think he was faster than when he fought. Like when he came back. You think that Mike Tyson was faster than that version of him? Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. But Ali was a different animal. No one had been around before him. There was a heavyweight that moved like that. They didn't exist. Well, Andy had the best chin ever. Oh, amazing. He wasn't that heavy for heavyweight though, right? No. No. The Olympic gold medal he won was cruiserweight. Was it? Yeah, he didn't fight at heavyweight. He moved up to heavyweight for when he turned pro. Who was the English guy that knocked him down and they cut his clothes? George. George. Yeah, George. Was it George? Yeah, it was George. Yeah, George. I'm trying to remember. He was a British gentleman who had a really good left hook. And he caught him with a left hook and dropped him and had him in all kinds of trouble. There was a tear on his glove. George starts with an H, if I remember right. He tore his glove. Why did he tear his glove? He had a small little rip and his corner. What's his trainer's name? Tore the glove a little bit. Yeah. He had a pair of gloves and it halted the action of the fight for about five minutes. And it gave Muhammad Ali time to clear his head. And then they resumed the fight. They never found another pair of gloves to put on him in the middle of the rounds. Think about this. Was it Henry something? Yeah, Henry. Henry. Henry Cooper. There it is. There it is. Yeah. It was good cornering. And it's like, and then he went out there and he stopped him on cuts. Yeah. He stopped him on cuts. And I don't remember if it was the next round or the following round. Yeah. But he cut really, really easy. They said that his skin, he'd just get bumped. See if you can find that fight when Henry Cooper drops him because it's crazy. He heard him. But he's like, but he's using, he looks dead. His ass hits and he pops back up. You know, it's like, but it's like when Joe Frazier, when Joe Frazier dropped him, you know, it's like his ass hit and he pops right back up. It's crazy. It looks dead. His chin was incredible. Catch new episodes of the Joe Rogan experience for free only on Spotify. 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