What if the Universe is Conscious? | Joe Rogan and Duncan Trussell

It's the, what the, you know, I saw something, you know, your podcast, it's like everywhere now. It's like Dandelions, you can't anywhere. I'm always getting suggested videos from your podcast. And I saw one, because I've been cutting down my meat consumption. Good for you. And, but that doesn't mean I don't eat meat. I just want to cut it down a little bit. And, and I have been feeling kind of enjoyable from time to time sense of, you know that, I don't know if you let yourself do this, you probably don't, but that feeling of like kind of bullshit, like, I'm a little better now. Yeah, I'm a little better of a person. And I was really like, I wasn't like overt. It wasn't like hyper obnoxious, you know, but just the kind of sense of like, I did it. I can cut down my beef consumption and I'm eating, I'm eating, you know, a cheese here and there. And anyway, this video popped up and it's some guests, I don't know who it was, talking about the number of animals that die in a bean field, like any bean field that you see, so many animals just ground up and murdered. And it was great. Cause I realized like, oh, of course. Yeah, right. The trick I was trying to play on myself is the same, it's the 13th floor shit. It's like, I want the world to look like a Disney film. But it's a bit of a cop out, even saying that, my saying that, because the reality is there's another solution. The solution is organic gardening, right? So you can organically garden. If you get a plot of land and get some friends together, you could all grow enough vegetables so you'd have to take place in large, with large scale agriculture, or if you're dealing rather with large scale agriculture. That's the problem. The problem is we have to feed, in just in LA alone, the greater Los Angeles area, what is it, like 20 million something people? That's so many goddamn people. No one's grown anything other than weed. So what do we have? What do we have? We have someone has to grow this fucking food for us. So they have to do it large scale. And when they do it large scale, it involves combines, and those fucking things are indiscriminate. They're just chewing up the ground. And things get caught up in it. And that's why when they clean fields, when they pick whatever they're growing, you always see vultures. After they run the combine, you see vultures circling the fields, because they know rabbits and rats. Jesus, man. All kinds of bugs, I mean any kind of bugs. I mean, I don't know if you care about bugs, which is that's a weird thing, right? It's like some vegans will get to this line where they're like, yeah, but that's a mosquito. Fuck mosquitoes. They have malaria. You get to like a life form, ethical boundary, where you can't relate to a roach. Also, the hilarious thing when it comes to assigning levels of sentience, and then based on that, deciding if you should eat something or not, you run into like a lot of weird problems, which is like, number one, you're assuming a lot, just because they don't have this sort of nervous system you have, I mean, and who knows, we project most of everything we are into the world, and we don't really know what the phenomenon is, but I saw some like video of an ant taking care of the ant's baby. And I don't know if you've probably heard about how trees communicate with the- Mycelium. Yes, and like how they'll send nutrients to their children. And then you start running into, I think, which is a really fascinating problem, which is what if it's all alive and sentient and feeling for real? What if there is, throughout the entire universe, just a sentient field of consciousness that is interacting with matter in a way that it produces what we call life, and that life is feeling terror, love, maybe in different ways than we would understand it, but it's still there. That's really under consideration by legitimate scientists. In fact, Sam Harris' wife just wrote a book about that. Oh really? It's one of the subjects, it's called Conscious. And conscious or consciousness? Sorry, I don't remember which. I haven't read it yet, but I heard them talk about it on his podcast. And the concept that used to be like super woo woo, was what if everything has consciousness? What if everything has, but it just, it can't move, it can't express itself, can't change its environment, it's limited. Just like we can't fly, and we can't swim under water and breathe water. We're limited in our physical abilities, but we assume that whatever limitations that we have, like this is where it ends, this is where the buck stops here. Like everything that doesn't move has gotta be stupid. But it might not be, which is one of the reasons why nobody wants to buy a house after someone's been killed in it. Like what if that house retains memory? That was something that Rupert Sheldrick proposed a long time ago, you know, he's got that, what is that very strange theory where everything is, morphic resonance I think it's called? Theory of morphic resonance? He's a fascinating guy. And he's like a guy who's not afraid to take some chances and say some really woo woo shit. I think he's a Christian as well. Yeah, I love his book. I think you're the one who like, was telling me some of the studies are not so great in it though. Well, it wasn't that I said that, it was that other people would complain about that. Because there's some studies that apparently people lean on that aren't super legit. Like the dog knowing you're coming home one. Yeah. Like you gotta replicate that shit. Because first of all, the guy might have a loud car. Dogs can hear shit way better than you can. How far away is the guy when the dog starts going towards the door? Or does the guy just come home every night and the dog has like an internal clock and he knows, hey, it's five o'clock, Mike must be coming home. Have they replicated this for 11.30? What if Mike starts coming home in a Tesla where you can't hear shit? Who knows? What if he comes home, does the dog actually know he's coming or is the dog just hearing things? Dog hearing a door, a car.