What Former Intelligence Secretary Christopher Mellon Thinks of Bob Lazar

And then that brings us to Lazar's depiction of how these things worked. That they somehow or another bend gravity. These things that he worked on which is the model that's on the desk there. That's supposedly a detailed model of what that thing looked like that he worked on. The sport model I think they called it. That's what he called it. Yeah. When you watch him talk and you hear him give his description of his time working there and what he saw and what he thinks those things are. What was your take on that? I thought it was curious and interesting. I mean I've been to Area 51. I didn't see any flying saucers or anything like that. What did you see? I saw a Defense Department experiments being performed and training activities and that sort of thing. Nothing that the taxpayer would object to. Of course not. But it's a big range. There's a lot of stuff going on out there and there's a lot of adjacent ranges if you look at the math actually. Area S4 where he was. That's what he said. Yeah. That's what he said. What did you think on him? I found his explanations curious. Yeah. How so? The complexity of it and the fact that he talked about Laurentium for example and then decades later it turns out that apparently there is a more stable form of that. That's element 115? Sounds right. I couldn't tell you for sure. But it's called Laurentium? Laurentium. That sounds like something from Battlestar Galactica. We need the Laurentium. There's all this stuff that you're into that. Right? Right. I'm a little skeptical about his claims I have to say. A friend of mine claims to know the gal who was his supervisor when he worked out there and knows what he was actually doing and where he was located and claims that he was a guy who checked radiation on badges. That's it? Yeah. And so all the rest is fiction? According to that story. And this is a person that you know? Yeah. Maybe that person's full of shit. Maybe. I don't have the ground truth on this. It's interesting. He did falsify his educational records and he's been involved in some other things and it just doesn't- You're talking about the MIT records? Yeah. He explained that to me. He said that he was working on something for the government and they sent him to MIT to learn something. I can't say too much. I'll tell you off air because he told me not to talk about it. But it makes more sense when you hear his description of it that essentially it wasn't documented that he was studying there because what he was doing was really a terrible thing, a terrible experiment they were working on. When I explain to you, maybe it'll make more sense. Okay. Maybe not though. Maybe he's full of shit. Maybe he lied about that. What's interesting though is he's told the same exact story since the late 80s. He doesn't seem full of shit. Now some people are really good at lying. I've been tricked before and I'm sure you have too. There's some people that are just sociopaths. They're really good at- Yeah. They don't even know they're lying. They're convinced in their own head why they're spinning it. He's obviously though, he's obviously very intelligent and he obviously knows a lot about science. He knows a lot about propulsion systems and he really did work at Los Alamos which is interesting because he's actually on the employee roster. They tried to say that he didn't. He knew people that were there. He knew the layout of the building. When he went there with George Knapp, they went through the building. He knew exactly where everything was and he knew the people that worked there. He really did work there apparently, allegedly. What's interesting to me is that again, it's the same story over and over and over again. What's also interesting to me is that he knew and took friends to a place where they were testing these things out. He knew where it was and he knew when they were doing it and he brought his friends out there and that's when they got arrested. It's a very, I think there's some consistency there. That is hard to explain. How would he know where to go and what was going on? There are some possible answers to that. I've poked into this a bit. Supposedly, there was a bar off base where the scientists and a lot of the aviators and people go and hang out. He was frequented that place and picked up information. I hear stories on both sides of this. I don't know what the ground truth is and I remain skeptical but hey, there's a lot of crazy stuff going on. I enjoyed his company. I went to dinner with him and Jeremy and I talked to him for several hours on the podcast and off the podcast. I don't know but it's a weird one because he never made any money doing that. He never made any money telling that story. I'll tell you another story offline. We can exchange stories offline. I'm excited. 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