Twitter CEO on Push to Ban Trump | Joe Rogan

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Jack Dorsey

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Jack Dorsey is a computer programmer and Internet entrepreneur who is co-founder and CEO of Twitter, and founder and CEO of Square, a mobile payments company.

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What has been the one thing that came up that was perhaps the most controversial like I know My friend Sam Harris was trying to get you guys to ban Donald Trump. He was saying if they follow your terms of service I just did a podcast with him. I'm sure you should come out today or tomorrow He's he's a fascinating guy Sam Harris I love him to death but what he was trying to do was like saying hey He's threatening nuclear war like he's saying hey Korea My bombs are bigger than your bombs Like what else does the guy have to do to get you to remove him from the platform when you guys saw that? What was your reaction to that? And was there an internal discussion about actually banning the president United States? Well, so So two things there one It was the context that Presidents of this country have used similar language in different mediums They use it on radio. They use it on television It's not just through Twitter and even if you were look you were to look at the presidency of Obama It wasn't exactly the same tone in this exact same language But there were threats around the same country and we have to take that that context into consideration so the second thing is that we need the most controversial aspect of our rules and Our terms of service is probably this clause around public interest and newsworthiness where Powerful figures or public figures might be in violation of our terms of service, but the tweet itself is Of public interest. Yes, there should be a conversation around it and That is probably the thing that people disagree with the most And where we have a lot of internal debate But we also have some pretty hard lines if we had a global leader Including the president United States make a violent threat against a private individual. We would take action We we always have to balance that with like is this is this something that the public has Interesting and I believe generally the answer is yes It's not going to be in every case But generally the answer is yes because we should see how our leaders think and how they act and essentially It informs voting that informs the conversation then forms whether we think they're going they're doing the right job Or we think that you know, they should be they should be voted out well It's very important to see how someone uses that platform and when someone uses it the way he uses it and Then becomes president and continues to use it that way. That's when people like what? He's been consistent. I think I think he joined in in 2009 2012 And you look at all of his tweets all the way back then and it's pretty consistent to yeah I mean he likes to insult people on Twitter. It's fun for him. You know, it's just I never thought he would keep doing it I thought once he became president Maybe he just lock it down try to do a good job for the country and then you know after four years or eight years Just go back to his old self. Fuck you. Fuck the world. Fuck this. Yeah, but no, he's he's he's just key It's just in one way. It's hilarious. See as a comedian I think it's awesome because it's just it's so hilariously stupid It's so preposterous that even has the time to talk about Jeff Bezos's Affair and the fact that he got caught with the National Enquirer getting text messages and calls him Jeff bozo Like don't you have shit to do man? Like as but as a comedian I am a gigantic fan of folly almost Against my better judgment. I like watching. It's I I want I like watching disasters I like watching chaos when I see nonsense like that. I'm like, oh Jesus like I'm drawn like a moth to a flame But on the other part of me is like man This sets a very bizarre tone for the entire country because One of the things about Obama like Obama or hate Obama. She was very measured very articulate obviously very well educated and I think that that aspect of his presidency was very good for all of us because he represented something that was of a very high Standard in terms of his ability to communicate his access to words The way the way measured his words and held himself. I think that that's good for us like that Well, yeah, it's like look at that guy. He's talked better than me. That's why he's the president But you know, you why do you see Trump be like he's doesn't talk better than me. He does he doesn't use Twitter better he's not he's just this fucking madman, but isn't important to understand that and to see it I like to it. Hopefully that informs opinions and actions and 100% that's my point That's my point is like that. This is this weird gray area where I think overall I definitely support your decision to not not ban him for violating your terms of service like you we need to know