The Problem with Banning People Like Alex Jones

When do you think the people should be able to like talk again? The person? Oh yeah, that's a good question. Um, well... Alex Jones at least has infowars.com. He can do his own thing and people go to that. And Gavin's got his show still. Does he? Yeah. Is he still on YouTube or did they kick him off YouTube? I don't know if he's still on YouTube. Because they kicked him off a lot of things a little while ago. And it didn't seem like there was a clear reason. It's like they just decided they were gonna get rid of him. Interesting. You know what I'm saying? Like he had been on, he had some scandals, but he had stayed on YouTube. Right. And basically followed the rules. Right. So what happened? Oh, is he still on there? He's definitely still on. Oh, okay. Okay, so he's still on. Okay. So Heath, that's interesting too, right? And then... Because I think he just... They have their own thing and if you go on Telegraph, they're all there. They're all hanging out. It's Telegraph. It's like micro blogging service and I think Milo is there and Gavin's there. And it's a little bit like Twitter, but it's kind of like for the band and for people who... For the miscap... Yeah, I saw him. He was on one of those things, Gab or something like that, talking about Milo was complaining about the actual numbers he reaches now, how unsustainable it is. Obviously, there's a lot of people that like him. And there's... Look, he's a funny guy. He says funny shit. He really does. And I don't think he's been accurately portrayed. I don't. I mean, I think he definitely said some stupid shit, but that's part of the fun of what he was doing. He's a provocateur. And he was definitely doing some stuff that... There's a question of whether or not there's multiple accounts that they were using, that he was using to anonymous accounts. That was an accusation. But Twitter didn't want to substantiate that when I talked to them about it, because I think they're worried about the legal ramifications. We addressed that. Yeah, it's problematic because you end up, as someone who's kind of all for free speech, I often get told that I'm bad because I have to defend people whose language I don't agree with. That is what free speech is. It's not defending everyone who says things that I love. It doesn't make any sense, because that means you're right all the time. If you're only defending the things that you believe in, you're right all the time about everything. But I have to defend the people who say things that are even atrocious, and that I would never get on board with, because that's what free speech is otherwise. And like you said, it is that slippery slope of who gets to be the arbiter of what is said. Right. And what are your guidelines? And when I'm saying this about letting people do it, or arguing against ideas that you don't agree with, you should be able to or not to. You should be able to express yourself and respond to the criticisms that you receive or choose not to. But the idea that only my ideas should get broadcast, because your ideas are contrary to my ideas. I'm going to cut off the pipeline for you to express those and work those out. And look, there's a lot of people that had some terrible ideas early in their life, and then they changed. Yeah. Is that there's that guy? What's his name? Christian Picciolini, who was in the KKK? Or is it some sort of white supremacist organization when he was young? And now he talks about the dangers of these organizations. It's like me being AOC when I was young. Exactly. Well, people change. No, you do. And you have to be able to, if there's no path to redemption, what is the point? Right. So what is the path to redemption? Nothing. And hopelessness is the worst. So if you're taking everything away from somebody, and then you're saying you're in the bad place now forever, what is their incentive to even open their mind and have a different... Why not just double down? Let's give a recent example. Here's a recent example. A good one. London Real. London Real had an interview with David Icke. I don't know who any of these people are. Okay. London Real is a popular YouTube show. Okay. And they had an interview with David Icke. David Icke is a conspiracy theorist who thinks that the elites turned into lizards. He says he's seen their eyes shift. Okay. This is... He talked about it on this podcast. Seen their eyes shift. Yes, I've seen their eyes shift. Okay. Right there. You should be like, okay. This is fun. This is fun time. This guy thinks that fucking the queen's a lizard lady. Right. But you want to look out for people that are so fucking dumb that they're like, oh, did you hear about the lizard people? Yeah, they're real man. But there's a lot of those people. Hey, hey, hey. So what? Right. So what? I agree. This is evolution here. We're stopping the flow of evolution because if... Look, this is how I feel about televangelists, right? If you're so dumb, you want to give Joel Osteen all your money even though you're poor because you think that somehow or another is going to save you and God's grace is going to be upon you because you tithe all your money to Joel Osteen and he drives around to Bentley and you're happy for him. Yeah. Okay. That's legal. Yeah. It's dumb as fuck, but it doesn't work on you. It works on only the dumbest of dumb people. So they're like, oh, I guess it's okay. This is the same thing. Yeah. This is the same thing. If you're so fucking dumb, you really believe that David Eich's seeing people's eyeballs shift over and that there's lizards that are secretly transforming into politicians and then going back to lizards when no one's looking. Come on. Yeah. Come on. So if you take that guy off, you just make him bigger. So there's a giant story that this David Eich podcast was removed from YouTube and it keeps getting removed. People keep uploading it. It's like that pandemic documentary that everybody keeps sending me. Oh yeah. Yeah. It gets removed and then people upload it everywhere. We're going to upload it everywhere. They're trying to hide the truth. Just leave it alone and let people criticize it. It makes it seem way more real. Yeah. It makes it seem real. No, but you want to give a fuck about that David Eich interview. I mean, it would because it's on London real and it's a popular program. So some people would have watched it, but nobody would have really thought that the fucking lizard people are there. Nobody would in the people that do think that they're going to think anything. You could talk them into cutting their balls off and riding the fucking common with joining your call. But the thing is like, you got to let that exist. Yeah. You got to let these wet, but they will with some shit. They will with the flat earth people. Yeah, that's weird. Maybe the flat earth shit is still up. Oh, I know. I know. But they get to the 5g and they're like, nope too much. Too much. So David Eich was talking about 5g. From what I said, I don't even, what I read rather, I don't even, cause I didn't watch the whole thing, but I don't even think he was saying that 5g causes it, but he was doing some wacky, very articulate, conspiracy shit. Yeah. Yeah. He living just weird, weird. Yeah. It's only getting weirder. But here's what's interesting. Okay. This is what we need to accept about people like David Eich and a lot of these people. There's clearly a lot of entertainment value and someone saying preposterous shit that any intelligent person knows is not true. There's some weird entertainment value and someone that really does believe that aliens live amongst us and that they're shape shifters. And then if you look back, all of our leaders have all been related together and they're pregorative one gene pool that the ancient Sumerians brought together. They came here from Pranat Nibiru and there's, there's something really entertaining about that. I mean, it's not just Scientology. There's a, there's a lot of it, right? So people watch my YouTube show. That's fun. No, I know. But you know what I'm saying? Like there's a, this is an, it's kind of an art form. This is what I'm thinking. It's an art. It's performance art. It is a kind of performance art along with like a little bit of horse shit. And some people, who is that crazy standup guy? Andy Kaufman? Yes. It's like everyone's become Andy Kaufman. Right. Alex Jones is funny than Andy Kaufman's ever been. Alex Jones is fucking hilarious often. Did you see the whole Bill that he's Bill Hicks conspiracy? That's not real. I went down that route at all. That's the silliest shit I know, but there are videos. But he had one thing we're talking about. Like if it's between his family starving or eating his neighbor, he's like, Ali, your ass. I thought it became this check. Come on. Do you don't think there's an entertainment value in him saying he's going to eat his neighbor? Right. But there's something to that. Like to, to stop that and ban that. You're, you're not, you're not stopping anyone from, you're not stopping anybody from anything bad by not having Alex do this entertaining thing about eating his neighbor. You're not saving anybody. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like you gotta, you gotta, like, what are you doing? Like, what is he doing that's so awful? I don't know how to fix any of it. It's entertaining. Like, why is it only acceptable if you have some kind of entertainment? Because there's so many rap videos that you could watch that I enjoy, but they're talking about shooting people and robbing people. And it's everywhere on YouTube. It's so prevalent. Yeah. And somehow or another, that's okay. Like it's fucking weird. What's allowed and what's not allowed.