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Kristin Beck is a retired Navy SEAL and recipient of over 50 ribbons and medals, among them the Bronze Star with Valor, the Purple Heart, and the Meritorious Service Medal. She is now a lecturer, author, consultant, and civil rights activist.
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When I was working on the Iron Man project, it was the Iron Man project. So we're trying to build the suit. We've been working on it for a long time. I didn't know about this. I was on the beginning of the project, it was called Carnivore at first and a few other names, but in the beginning it was only a small handful of us working on it. What are they using to make the body suit out of it? It's changed so much right now that it's all kinds of materials. I mean, titanium, carbon fiber, all the tough stuff. And is it supposed to be able to fly? It's going to do a lot of stuff. Is it to have an exoskeleton so it's stronger? It's much stronger. You can carry, you know, a thousand pounds. You can do a lot. I've seen that stuff. That stuff's wild. We're getting there, but if you think about that kind of a suit, that exoskeleton, how are you going to move that exoskeleton, those people? So if you had a squad, let's just say you had 12 dudes and those exoskeletons, what airplane are you going to use? What home V's, what vehicles, how are you going to get these guys around? What boats? Like it changes everything. Right. A thousand pounds. Jesus Christ. You're huge. So you can only get a couple of those on a plane. Yeah, maybe four. I don't know. But that's one of the issues that we're running into is the fact that if we start going in this direction, we start going to exoskeletons, we have to change everything else. That makes sense. And when we were doing it, it was like the long pole and tent for the, you know, and I was on these think tanks and I was always like the innovator seal. I was a weird seal. You already know that, I guess. Well, I guess. That was get to that part. I was a techie for it. So I was very technical and I was working a lot of the national laboratories. So all the places that we built the Manhattan Project, we still have all those facilities all around. And so we still use them. We work with them and we try to push the envelope for military and civilian use. So there's a lot of things that I was part, you know, innovator, inventor of stuff that's gone to the civilian world. And the Iron Man Project was really cool. And what are they powering it with? That's the problem was the long pole and a tent. I kept talking to them and I was working with all the national labs, Pacific Northwest and all those guys. And nuclear battery was pretty much the only way you can go. So it'd be a little battery about that big. Bro. We've already had this. I don't know if you've got a cell phone in my pocket. But we've had those little nuclear batteries since the 50s. So it's no big deal. Those nuclear batteries, like how dangerous is it for a human being to be around it? How dangerous is it to be in a military? That's true too. We jump out of airplane at 30,000 feet. But I would feel like if you wore that thing around, you got horrible bone cancer because of it. Yeah, you got lead shielding and much other shielding and stuff. Yeah. But the thing is, there's so much power and so much everything else. We're using the hypersonic flywheels and using all this other stuff. We're trying to do energy storage in all kinds of different ways. Is there a way to shield it so that a person can be in direct contact and not receive? Yeah. It carried around in a suitcase. Really? Yeah. Jesus Christ. There's a couple of them. Isn't it funny? That's one of the things that we're scared of the most. I have to be careful of some of the stuff I say. I'm constantly going. Are you saying stuff that you're not? You can edit it out if you're saying stuff that's classified. The Iron Man is not classified anymore. They've talked about it. They're talking about the mechanics now. I think some of the people that worked on it are still classified and some of the stuff they're doing now is probably classified. So is that a situation where as new technology comes out, then they revise it? Yeah, constantly. So they're always working on it, but it's not really? They're always working on it. It's usable. Some of the pieces. Right now, my back is just toast. All the SEAL team guys, because we carry those large rucksacks and constantly out there we fall and jump and parachute and all that stuff, our backs are just toast. So what we're trying to do is trying to get it just first as load carrying. That was one of my biggest pushes in the beginning of Iron Man was I said we need to build everything as non-energy consumption. Everything has to be pneumatic or springs or somehow using our body to propel everything. Because if this whole thing shuts down, the battery turns off, you have to still be able to move a little bit at least, be able to get off it from here to cover over there. You still have to be able to move it. So it's a thousand pounds, how do you move that thing? Right. Because there's no power. How would you? Is that possible? Like where the direction they went in was the direction I didn't want to go, was you can't now. You can't? You're going to be stuck once it turns off. So the power goes off, you're frozen there? Oh my god. It's big. Imagine if you were in the middle of some sort of an operation and there was a solar flare and the solar flare nukes all the electricity. E and P or something. Yeah. You're screwed. Yeah. Fuck. Jesus Christ. That's where we're going now. A thousand pounds, I mean, how the fuck could you move it? How could you if you're stuck in a thousand pound robot? You're done. That's what it looks like right now? Yeah, so these things are still tethered, a lot of those. Okay, so that is the exoskeleton goes down his legs and that's those things on his legs? Yeah, but that's even a way to do it. That's CGI. I don't know if that's a real one. But it's pretty much like that. It attaches here on your waist and it kind of works off your hips. So this is one right here and so you see he's got this down his sides. So that's a regular one with no power. So that's an unpowered one. And inside of these little things on his legs and upper on his waist, it might be slightly powered but those things on his legs and they'll have up there will be like a piston. Really? And then that will be as you're moving your leg, it all works off your own kinetics. It's all off of my kinetics. And it can carry large weights. So you can go faster and carry a lot more weight. Why don't I have one of those in my life? I need to buy one of those. I mean, paralyzed people. Run on pills. They work with paralyzed people? They have people that are paralyzed and they can attach all this stuff to them and they can walk around and do it. So this one is powered. And see the way he's got a thing on his heels like that? Yeah. That was a big thing because when you step, your feet pivot somewhat. So you have to watch these things and where you put it and how it goes. There's so much to this thing. You would not believe it. It's wild. There's a lot of technology in that right there alone. And so ultimately they want it where it covers your body like an iron man? Or is that just... That's the ultimate would be when you start putting armor and everything on it. So you can see that guy right there. That's a little bit more. That's more like it. And so that's all lightweight stuff. That's wild. And so that's the direction we're going in. But you can see even that guy right there, he's going to have a hard time getting out of vehicles and doing a lot of stuff. So as you keep adding this stuff on there, we get bigger and bigger. Look how big that guy is. He'd have a real tough time getting inside any vehicles. Yeah. He definitely is not driving anywhere. So that's what? The pros and cons. It's like, yeah, we have all this, we have that, but now we have to redo the vehicles. We got to do this. There's a lot too. How... Oh, that might be... If you look up carnivore and how far the first one... How far do you think they are from developing autonomous robots that replace people anyway in these situations? We already have. Think so with weapons? The stuff I was working on 10 and 15, 20 years ago and how fast we're advancing back then. So I would walk into a place and it would be a chip manufacturer for us to do our sneaky peaky bugs and stuff. And I would show them and say, hey, this is what we're working with right now. And we would give them 3 million bucks, make it half that size. And it's all we would do to say, here's 3 million, half the size. And then within six months, I'd give it to us here, half the size. And so when we were doing it, and for my budget, I think I had like $60 million. So and it's huge budgets when you get to the top levels of the seals and we really push it and we're constantly pushing these envelopes of technology. And so you can kind of see like even when I was there, I know the sizes and I know that you can have a chip and you have a chip inside of a chip and a chip and a chip and a chip. So you have... You can go all these layers, all this stuff, you start digging. And then every time you have the chip, there's a lot of subroutines, subprograms and everything else you can put in them. It's just mind blowing how advanced we are. So when you say do we have autonomous right now, we have airplanes, vehicles, we have all of it already. We're fully capable right now to go almost autonomous in the world.